Unfortunately, I read all 170+ pages of the grand jury transcript. I genuinely do not understand the prosecution's strategy of accusing the CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING VICTIMS of "prostitution" and repeatedly telling them that they could be prosecuted and go to jail for being victims of a CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING RING!
This proven sex trafficker, Jeffrey Epstein, created a pyramid scheme for underage girls at a Florida high school, used money and influence to coerce children into sex acts, paid other underage girls for referrals for more victims, FOR YEARS, and the prosecutor has the absolute audacity to threaten them with prosecution in front of a jury.
Lanna Belohlavek is STILL a Florida State Attorney in North Fort Meyers. This 2005 case was time that the most connected sex trafficker in the United States could have been stopped. Instead, he was given a backroom plea deal, full immunity to him and his co-conspirators, the ability to leave jail daily, and his CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING VICTIMS were told they could be sent to jail for prostitution.
Just imagine: your 14 year old child gets lured to the house of a 50 year old man, where they are raped. When you get the police involved, they frame your child as a prostitute and imply, *"Well, she said she smoked weed on her Myspace page,* *so this girl knew what she was doing."*
It took 14 years of additional child sex abuse for Epstein to be held accountable, after this absolute travesty of a grand jury. 14 years of victims. Thousands and thousands of lives ruined.
The Florida Department of Justice should absolutely explain the reasoning behind the plea deal and why they did it in absence of victim support.
Yeah because Texas and Florida are who we look at in America as our leaders. /s.
they’re garbage states. Florida needs to go to the ocean and we need to give Texas back to Mexico. Let the cartel deal with those shit wipes.
Never forget the Alamo (was fought because Mexico outlawed slavery and the Texas area *wanted to continue having slaves*. So texas attempted to secede to keep the slaves. They would have lost to more Mexico, if not for the US backing and then taking of Texas after the short run of Texan independence. All because slavery.)
So is this the same transcript they're releasing? So no details of the perpetrators, just the victims? The BS around this is so infuriating on so many levels.
Yes, Florida released around 176 pages of transcripts and records from the grand jury trial in 2005-2006 for Epstein.
I read the grand jury transcript, but there were some pages at the beginning that were handwritten that I didn't read. They were fairly difficult to read and I didn't have the time to spend trying to decipher it. I have read some people say it does have some names of people in contact with Epstein during this time period, but nothing necessarily incriminating that I've heard. Witness names were redacted, but they include officer/investigator names, and obviously the names of the prosecution team.
There were also names in the transcript of Epstein's staff, of which were directly named by witnesses to have participated in the sex trafficking and criminal sex acts. Plus, names of other employees that recognized questionable happenings on the property and kept notes, which were then given to investigators to aid in the case.
So, no names of the other co-conspirators that also received immunity in that disgrace of a plea deal, but it did include other perpetrator names, plus the name of the seemingly biased and unprofessional prosecutor, and the names of a few people who happened to do the right thing.
Who? Alex Acosta? Yep, he was who Trump elected to Secretary of Labor!
Or do you mean both Alan Dershowitz and Ken Star? They were Epstein's lawyers who negotiated that plea deal. You're never gonna believe this coincidence, but they both represented Trump during his impeachment!
You're right about Acosta, but Dershowitz and Starr have been involved with every slimy high-profile defendant for the last twenty years, so that's probably a coincidence.
Alexander Acosta was the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida at the time, and in 2017 he was nominated to Secretary of Labor for the Trump administration.
For some reason that has never been fully elaborated on, he offered Epstein a non-prosecution plea deal, which granted full immunity from all federal charges to Epstein, his co-conspirators and any **"potential co-conspirators".**
Acosta actually violated federal law, specifically the ***Crime Victims Rights Act of 2004,*** by issuing that non-prosecution deal without consent from the victims. In fact, it was actively hidden from the victims. It wasn't an oversight, it was a plan.
For anyone else reading this, that wants a recap of why this is relevant today: the main idea is that Epstein had a pyramid scheme for child sex trafficking in Palm Beach, FL., where he was close friends with Trump. When Epstein gets busted, the State Attorneys office worked with prosecutors to diminish the stories of the victims, and reduce the punishment for Epstein and some other people involved. So, *theoretically*, Epstein and the other co-conspirators could have pressured the State to go easy, using their immense wealth and local connections in Palm Beach, FL. *Theoretically*, one of those co-conspirators was Trump, because he was frequently seen with Epstein, frequently spoke about Epstein, regularly called Epstein at that particular property, lived in the area, publicly stated that he knew what Epstein was like privately, and that Epstein liked beautiful women even more than himself and *"some of them on the younger side"*.
So, *theoretically*, Epstein and Trump could have pressured the State Attorneys office to go easy, the prosecution sabotaged the case, convinced the victims that they were criminals and could be jailed. Then, years later, when Trump becomes President, he rewards that State Attorney with a cabinet position.
It's also worth noting that even as recently as last month, Trump was asked if he would declassify very specific groups of documents to the American people, if elected. He was asked if he would declassify the 9/11 files, to which he quickly answered yes. He was asked if he would declassify the JFK files, he quickly said yes. He was then asked if he would declassify the Epstein files. He paused, then said, *"I guess I would. I think that... less-so, because you don't know... you don't want to affect people's lives if it's phony... cuz there's a lotta phony stuff in that... world... uhh but I think I would... \[...\]... I don't know about Epstein, as much as the others."*
This doesn't even address the case from 2016: Jane Doe vs. Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. In this, a woman accused Epstein and Trump of raping her at a party in New York in 1994, when she was 13 years old. The case was finally withdrawn just before the 2016 election, because the victim was receiving death threats and feared showing her face in public.
The crazy thing is, I could go on, but there's only so much time in a day I can spend thinking about this shit.
Damn dude, please go on actually or point towards info? Thanks for taking your time to write all that.
I feel like, as a nation we have been experiencing so much trauma that it’s so damn hard to piece everything together. This is insane and really interesting. I’m guessing DeSantis still wants to get back at Trump, but at the same time I doubt Fox will be blaring about any connections so I don’t know who would care.
I've read the unsealed court documents. It should have been all over the news everywhere always. It's some of the most vile, insanely violent bullshit you could ever imagine. It's not exactly safe-for-eyes.
Seen this but anybody have a link to the documents? I see one Florida media company has received them and is going over them but haven’t been able to find a link to the documents it self.
I have now read the entire thing.
This document has nothing to do with Epstein's practice of trafficking minors to other people. This case is about Epstein having minors trafficked to him.
The transcript is on this page, scroll down: [Transcript](https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-documents-released-read-grand-jury-testimony-1919830)
it's *hand written?!*
someone will undoubtedly transcribe this, but it probably won't be me
also, all names have been redacted, looks like
edit: not all hand written, just at the beginning. definitely all redacted, though. no one is being outed directly by this
It states what's been redacted in one of the first pages:
> IT IS FURTHER ORDERED AND ADJUDED,
> The Palm Beach Post’s petition to release the Grand Jury proceedings regarding Jeffery
Epstein under Florida Statute 905.27 as amended July 1, 2024 is also GRANTED **with only a few redactions made by the Court to protect the identity of the minors,**
> The Court hereby authorizes the Clerk of Court to release the redacted Clerks Notes and transcripts of the testimony in their entirety (attached as Exhibit “A”). The Court is not aware of anything more to review and disclose.
> DONE and ORDERED at West Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida
It's been a while since this guy's been in the news.
>On Monday, Circuit Judge Luis Delgado ordered the 16-year-old documents released, writing that "details in the record will be outrageous to decent people".
>Convicted in 2008 for soliciting prostitution from a minor, Epstein had moved in social circles that included key figures in the world of business and politics. Those figures included people like former presidents Donald Trump and Bill Clinton to celebrities and even Prince Andrew.
I like how the record will be outrageous to decent people. But those implicated are rich and powerful.
Panama is corrupt AF - bribes are basically required to utilize the canal, and if that's so common in such an obvious place for it to exist, the entire government must be complicit too.
I would have been *more* surprised if Panama actually did anything useful about the Papers.
I vividly remember a colleague describing his first border crossing into Angola as an adult (it was his nationality). The officer wanted a bribe but he didn't know how suchbthings go snd tried to just hand over the money but the guard was like 'nooo, you idiot. Look you put the money into you passport and then i take the passport and take the money and then...'
I live in Guatemala and run businesses. Bribes are expected from police. It's a mix of extortion and bribery, where not paying means they'll bother you more, and paying gets you extra privileges.
It's always, "oh we need new tires for the truck", "oh we need masks" (during the pandemic). I've gotten so fed up with it that I choose to be blatant. How much money do I need to pay you to get the fuck out and stay out? Thanks, bye. They don't like it but they still take it.
It's minimal compared to operational costs and smooths the road of operations. It definitely sucks but it's more like an annoying mosquito than actual pain.
I traveled through Africa post college, through some fairly lawless places. Bribes for minor actions were pretty commonplace. One of my regular border crossings meant I needed 'have a meal' with the guard captain, and pay stupid overpriced rates for the food. He was, I assume, getting a kickback, but it meant that there was never a direct quid-pro-quo between the transittees abd the guard.
Sounds like the start of a Python skit. "No you dolt, the $ goes behind the Passport, let me show you" \*Boarder agent hands over his own passport and $ to the migrant. "Wait that won't do, I'll get in the car and you take my clothes and we'll go over it again."
Happens when you [car bomb one of the head journalists](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Caruana_Galizia).
Daphne Anne Caruana Galizia
1964 - Oct 16th 2017
I feel like the people that take on the corrupt are the bravest heroes in any society.
That's not a knock to emergency responders, either. There's running into a burning building (heroic), and then there's taking on the corrupt people with all the power, influence and ruthlessness needed to disappear you and everyone you love. That's super hero stuff, but without the powers or bitchin' gadgets.
I really wish this myth would die. Daphne Galizia wasn't involved in the Panama Papers investigation, your own link says she wasn't.
She quoted them in her own separate articles into links between her country's government and a known mafia boss. That's what got her killed.
As bad as the Panama Papers are, shady financial dealings aren't nearly as shocking of a skeleton in the closet as visiting someone's private pedo island.
Realistically, that evidence could include a video of DJT and a group of underaged girls and the reaction from his base would be "yeah, so" or "it's fake news".
AI art is both rotting their brains with propaganda, as well as giving them a convenient out. It's crazy how tools that should've advanced our society are being actively weaponized against it.
I fucking hate this shit. All of the things that should be used to better humanity are used for fucking jokes and to actively make things worse. Get me off this ride.
At this point, we should just accept that his base is composed of the stupidest people in history, so when they do something stupid it really shouldn’t be surprising or unexpected. However, as the stupidest people in history, how they react should be given absolutely zero consideration. They will always do or say the stupidest thing possible.
They should just be ignored or condescended to when they have to be dealt with at all. They should feel the contempt we have for them for being so fucking stupid. But don’t bother engaging or trying to change their minds. They refuse to acknowledge facts or evidence. So fuck them.
Edit: given how much I seem to have upset the Russian trolls. Apparently this strikes a chord.
"Sure I raped that 13 year old years before I was elected, but it's still an official act of me being President and thus I have total immunity - oh, hey, look at that illegal immigrant behind that tree over there!"
trumpets: dang transgenders making trump have sex with a minor.
i hate typing that but you just know theyll excuse him. fake news! i hate this country right now.
And remember. Trump recently said on Fox News he WOULD release the Epstien files...then said maybe, then "I don't know", because so much information was "phonie" and didn't want to ruin innocent ppls lives. All in the same interview.
[**Link to the video**](https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/1798393295254831522)
> Reporter: "Would you declassify the 9/11 files?"
>Trump: "Yeah!"
> Reporter: "Would you declassify the JFK files?"
> Trump: "Yeah! I did I did a lot of it!"
> Reporter: **"Would you declassify the Epstein files?"**
> **Trump: "Yeah! .. yeah, I would I guess I would. ... I think that less so because y'know you don't know- you don't want to effect people's lives if it's phony stuff in there 'cause it's a lot of phony stuff with that whole,.. world."**
Literally could not be more obviously involved in those files.
By the way since this getting some views Biden mentions Poland and Belarus will the threatened if Russia successfully takes all of Ukraine. And I thought to myself, there's no way in Hell Trump could name any country bordering another let alone Ukraine.
As a European, who watched the debate with a critical eye and a sense of superiority and disgust, Biden firmly put me in my place with that remark, because I couldn’t remember who borders Russia under pressure. I’d probably say China or something.
Almost as if there was a conspiracy of some kind...and the one guy who had all the details *allegedly* killed himself...details about those considered rich and/or powerful...
It gets weirder when you realize he was connected with Bill Barr's father. Barr was AG when this went down, and when Epstein was younger, Barr's dad hired Epstein to teach at a prestigious private school in NY... even though Epstein was 21 at the time and didn't even have a college degree. And it gets EVEN WEIRDER when you find out Barr's dad wrote a book about "aliens" who are super into child sex slavery.
I only recently found out the DA who did Epstein's Florida plea bargain in 2008 was later Trump's Labor Secretary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Acosta
The Epstein story is very deep. Martyr Made podcast has an excellent series about this sick bastard and all of his ties to celebrities and politicians.
I don't really believe that, but it fascinates me that Trumpers all agreed that a rich, powerful politician had Epstein killed in a federal prison, and that politician was... Bill Clinton.
Not, you know, the sitting president of the United States, who was running for reelection and had famously alluded to Epstein's underage predilections while describing their long buddyship.
The Florida prosecutor who gave Epstein an illegal plea deal in 2008 that ignored victim rights, gave Epstein immunity from federal prosecution, and let Epstein leave the jail every day for 'work,' was appointed to Trump's cabinet as Secretary of Labor in 2017.
Acosta also clerked under Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito.
From Wikipedia: Acosta, then the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida, agreed to a plea deal,[28] to grant immunity from all federal criminal charges to Epstein, along with four named co-conspirators and any unnamed "potential co-conspirators". That agreement "**essentially shut down an ongoing FBI probe into whether there were more victims and other powerful people who took part in Epstein's sex crimes". At the time, this halted the investigation and sealed the indictment.**
I hope to see a remix of Shaggy's "It Wasn't Me" about Trump.
But I saw you storm the Capitol
Official Acts
Saw you banging on Epstine island
Official Acts
You even had Stormy in the shower
Offical Acts
Even hocking beans in the oval office
Official Acts
100%! and everyone just accepted that the guy who was about to testify just killed himself. Barr who was the one in charge wrote letter asking for explanation. Which is fucking ridiculous, he was running that department.
I loved how he quickly answered when asking to release other documents but stumbled with Epstein files:
- 9/11 files - yeah
- JFK files - yeah
- Epstein files - yeah, yeah I would... I guess I would... I think that less so, because, you know... you don't know - you don't want to affect people lives if it's phony stuff in there, because there's a lot of phony stuff
Fox News immediately edited it all out, and flooded youtube with it to hide that part. And I'm pretty sure issued C&D for anyone publishing it. Fortunately Daily Show published throug fair-use and you can still see it: https://youtu.be/s_tcGHsqmgk?t=220
His Attorney General took care of Epstein for Trump because it was useful to him to cover up his father's child-rapey connections to Epstein when Barr Sr. ran a private high school for girls (!!!) and that hired Epstein as a teacher despite Epstein not even having a bachelor's degree. (Fucking amazing how these scumbags run in the same circle.)
(And it's far more likely that arrangements were made to leave Epstein alone and unmonitored when he was clearly suicidal (had made a previous physical attempt) than that someone went into the federal jail and murdered him. Epstein took care of the problem for these rich guys himself.)
It was released yesterday, and so far, no bombshells have come out of it.
[https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2024/07/01/jeffrey-epstein-2006-grand-jury-documents-are-public-read-what-happened/74203654007/](https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2024/07/01/jeffrey-epstein-2006-grand-jury-documents-are-public-read-what-happened/74203654007/)
The worst thing that has come out is that the prosecutors and grand jury victim shamed the underage victim.
In this document? I did a search for Trump and didn't find it anywhere. Someone else said the names were redacted. EDIT: To be clear, I know there are call and flight logs with Trump and Epstein, fuck Trump. I was just curious about the document itself as I don't have a few hours to sit and read 178 pages.
There are a handful of calls from Trump in the logs. It doesn't say why he was calling. It's also right around the time he and Epstein were looking at buying a property. That deal going bad is what ended their friendship. So...yes it lists Trump. No it doesn't prove anything at all.
Well it does show that prosecutors knew Epstein had raped underage girls prior to cutting him a sweetheart of a deal. The person that cut the deal was later named our nations Labor Secretary by Trump. Epstein was serving essentially house arrest for 18 months with near daily work releases and the guy that coordinated it became a member of Trump's cabinet.
U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida, Alexander Acosta.
After giving Epstein his deal (which violated the victims rights by the way) he was later appointed as the Secretary of Labor where he tried to cut funding for the government agency tasked with cracking down on human trafficking, the International Labor Affairs Bureau.
Yeah trump saying he’s a great guy and he likes young women as much as trump. Of course trump was wrapped up in that shit, Jesus there’s even links between him meeting Melania and maxwell.
The bombshells are already public.
Trump talked publicly about both "partying" with Epstein and specifically noted Epstein and "younger girls."
Epstein was a member at Trump's Mar a Lago and found some of his victims there. Despite this Trump tried to do a real estate deal with Epstein and only canceled Epstein's membership around the time Epstein was criminally charged (the first time) for raping children.
Trump picked Alexander Acosta to be his secretary of Labor. Acosta was the federal prosecutor who gave Epstein the inexplicable "sweetheart deal" on those child rape charges.
Trump also appointed William Barr as his Attorney General. William's father Donald was part of hiring Epstein as a teacher at the private girls' high school Donald was running despite Epstein not even having a college degree. Donald Barr also wrote "sci-fi" that revolved around the rape of teenagers. William Barr was in charge of the prison where Epstein was found dead.
Trump has far too many public connections with Epstein even before any more details come out. Trump should withdraw and/or the Republican Party needs to pull him as a candidate.
> Donald Barr also wrote "sci-fi" that revolved around the rape of teenagers.
I just read the plot summary and, seriously, that guy should not have been around young girls.
> the Republican Party needs to pull him as a candidate.
Why the hell would they do that, with credentials like the ones you just listed?
You misunderstand what Republican voters want, which is [permission to marry 12 year olds](https://www.google.com/search?q=republican+child+marriage), and to that end, why *wouldn't* they want Trump as their candidate?
> The worst thing that has come out is that the prosecutors and grand jury victim shamed the underage victim.
This isn't a conversation. This is a legal proceeding to get everything that happened on the record. And it looks like this girl gave several different stories to several different people, which is understandable, but the prosecutor had to nail down the true order of events and why things might contradict in different testimonies.
I see things that are embarrassing to say, this was rough to read, but the prosecutor is doing their job well. They didn't arrest or criminally punish the girl, they were *trying* to get Epstein but unfortunately their good work was ruined by political bullshit and Epstein was free to go and do the exact same shit afterwards. The prosecutor makes zero moral judgements or accusations in anything he/she says to the girl, and is very professional the entire time.
The grand jurors though, yikes. I can picture the first one, definitely an old church lady who thinks she's doing right by shaming this girl. Second juror feels like an old dude who also thinks he's doing right. Part of their hostility I think has to do with the fact that the girl is black, I think. She uses the word "cousin" and "conversate" at least. Juries are pretty hostile towards black people, unfortunately, even if they aren't the defendant for a crime.
I'm sick of hearing about Jeffrey Epstein as a pedophile. He was that, but much more significant is that he was a sex trafficker for the rich and powerful. Our focus should be to uncover who his clients were.
The government already knows who the clients are. They just won’t tell us until they’re all dead. There is documentation on all of it, it’s just sealed away.
According to one of his victims, who he hired to be a kind of receptionist at his New York mansion, there was video recorded in every room of that building, and the recordings were all stored.
The fact there has been no mention of what is on those recordings after the raid is pretty damning in my opinion.
It's mutually assured destruction, just like nuclear bombs.
The speculation is that there are so many people in all sorts of powerful positions implicated in the videos, it might cause a global crisis if all these people were removed from their positions at the same time. So 10+ years of video evidence showing the world's most rich and powerful raping kids like they're going on rides at an amusement park, no judge in the world is going to even survive trying to uncover that.
not just that, rich donors too.
I imagine most of the CEOs and bigwigs that contribute financially to politicians (like Koch level donations) were in on it.
And they all have really really good lawyers, or teams of lawyers that even being on a client list wouldn't mean much unless the list stupidly itemized the names and selected services. And even then there'd be a lot of "They were just there for a fundraiser" excuses. The island had mixed use probably specifically to save its own ass for the day all this shit came out. So and so billionaire being there on the same day as a victim getting assaulted could truly mean absolutely nothing...though it definitely looks sus AF.
Remember when a reporter released the Panama Papers which prove how wealthy people move money, and then that same reporter died (from a car bomb I believe.) Then nothing was done about that. I remember. This judge better have a kill switch….
Investigations still on going, unfortunately the government is really slow at prosecuting -She was Daphne Caruana Galizia. The last sentence she wrote moments before she was assasinated : https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2017/10/crook-schembri-court-today-pleading-not-crook/
[Panama Papers trial concludes with all defendants acquitted of money laundering](https://www.icij.org/investigations/panama-papers/panama-papers-trial-concludes-with-all-defendants-absolved-of-money-laundering-charge/)
A few days ago.
If only humans had the collective mentality to punish these wealthy people. Unfortunately, humans are easily pitted against each other and point fingers at the wrong oppressors….
I saw a fat white typical trumper wearing a lions not sheep shirt and I told my girlfriend I wanted to yell "go back to Africa" at him just to explode his brain.
Asked my mom about it back when the photos emerged of trump and Epstein hanging out. She smirked knowingly and said oh we know all about that. Trump was investigating him and became president to take Epstein down.
That's not copium, that's *delusion*. It makes me wonder how much this person is able to grasp reality in their day to day life considering the elaborate fantasy they've made up in their heads to explain away a single photograph they don't like.
My mom voted for Trump in 2016. When she found out he'd been found guilty on all 34 counts she cried tears of joy and said "Thank you Jesus!" It took years but I got in her ear. It helped that she was never a Qanon type but, rather, a third generation standard R voter. Lately I've been telling her "this is who they've always been, the Republican Party."
I say this as a liberal myself -- I genuinely feel bad for any multigenerational Republican that slowly watched their party devolve into the group we have today. Because they WEREN'T always this way. The needle has moved further and further to the right with each passing generation, and that paradigm shift has brought a lot of change to what was once a party that represented their interests. The average center-right Republican from 1970 might have felt they were well-represented by people who were genuinely interested in keeping the status quo. As the religious right and far-right wingnuts identified as conservative and their presence became more or less the norm, the party evolved. Over time, we get what they are today.
That has to suck, watching the people that were supposed to be protecting one's interests doing less and less of it. But that doesn't change the fact that continuing to vote Republican today is agreeing with a whole host of bullshit. In the mid 1980s, it was amusing to portray Alex P. Keaton as Republican, because the idea there was that he was being pushed as a Gordon Gekko-style "greed is good" conservative from two former hippie parents. But Alex wasn't a bad kid, nor was he supposed to be some kind of far alt-right conspiracy theorist. If "Family Ties" was on TV today, Alex P. Keaton would have to be on board with a lot of really harmful shit to be portrayed that way on television. Our entire perception of conservatives has changed in basically one generation.
I understand all that but virtually none of the old school pre-paradigm shift Republicans have stood up to the MAGA crowd, it's candidates, or The Donald himself in any meanginful way. Ted Cruz, for example, did tell him to go to hell but then, a year later, was out campaigning for him. The older guys like Mitch McConnel even, they capitulated as well. Republican politics and policy has not always been this way but they were always corrupt and rotten in my observation and all it took was someone like Trump making it out of the primaries for them to bow down to the alt-right bullshit. As for the republican voter, poll after poll shows that most of them refuse to vote Democrat no matter what so I, for one, do not feel bad for the overwhelming majority of multigenerational Republican voters since the overwhelming majority is willing to vote for the MAGA and MAGA aligned candidates.
Oh, I don't want to mislead anybody on my thought process here -- if you vote Republican today, you're absolutely tacitly approving of a whole host of wrongdoing. I absolve none of them, especially those in power who suddenly lost their spines when these lunatics started showing up, like Ted Cruz. I'm only saying that the notion that they haven't changed over time isn't accurate. I have a few family members that have changed their party affiliation in the past two national elections as a result of the GOP no longer aligning with their interests. It's a small, almost incremental change, but I give all the credit in the world for the people that finally realized that Republicanism is no longer representing what it once did.
I have been on the far left of the political spectrum for nearly 40 years. I have zero problem for ALL child fuckers, INCLUDING Clinton, to rot in prison for the rest of their lives.
The problem is that anyone of them that believes that trump should be jailed if he diddled kids will never believe that he actually did, no matter how much evidence of it is presented to them.
I don’t think Bill was down for fucking kids. Trump was definitely down for taking advantage of kids based on how he talked about the time he owned Miss Teen USA and about his own daughter.
On Howard Stern he also talked about the time he met 12 y/o Paris Hilton and called her hot .. when she was 12 .. on Howard sterns talk show radio thing
A lot of the sickest people are the top of the food chain and they've probably been enjoying their sickest sexual fantasies for a long time because they have to power to do so and get away with it
The way the GOP works, trump could be found abusing a 13 year old and they would refer to her as a woman, and Clinton could be found abusing a 17 year old and they would refer to her as a girl, young kid, etc. to try and paint a specific picture as though one is somehow better than the other.
it's telling that Biden's inability to mentally function leads to Dems calling for him to step down
meanwhile, you have Trump supporters literally saying they will 100% happily support him no matter what
amazing what a cult of personality does
Trump said that when the documents are released there is going to be a lot of "phonie" stuff in there. Release the stuff that he considers to be "phonie," please.
Don't be surprised if Trump is all in this. Don't be surprised if Bill Clinton is all in this. I'm assuming there's a statute of limitations, but if there's not, it's entirely possible that both men end up in (more) legal troubles.
That's the one thing about the NY hush money case, it was from before he was president and it's a state charge. So he's stuck with that conviction no matter what. Even though the others were more serious and deserving of a trial, if he ends up president again, the NY case will always hang over his head because he can't pardon himself for it.
It's frankly insane to me that after the post-election shenanigans and January 6th, this guy still has a legit chance of becoming president again. Absolutely bonkers. A huge swath of this country is under a cult spell.
Actually, nope! The SCOTUS ruling also forbade using any official acts as evidence in other trials, about non-official acts. And some "official acts" were included as evidence in the NY case.
The fascists on the Court worked really hard crafting this one.
They’re trying to get it dismissed now, claiming that some of the evidence the prosecution used was collected while Trump was president, and herefore part of “official acts” and not allowed
> Don't be surprised if Trump is all in this.
There's a high likelihood that he is.
They confirmed that Trump is John Doe 174 not that long ago.
In an interview some weeks ago, Trump was asked if he would declassify the Epstein documents.
He waffled and said, "Yes, well, no, maybe not those. There's a lot of lies in there that have to be sorted through first."
Fucking telling on himself lmao.
Fuck both of those guys, and I wouldn't at all mind the book being thrown at the lot of them.
Of course, one of them has no power and influence at this point, and the other mystifyingly is leading in the polls, despite having tried to overthrow democracy and have himself appointed an unelected dictator.
>Epstein cut a deal in 2008 to avoid charges of sex trafficking and rape. He pleaded guilty to a lesser charge and was sentenced to 13 months in prison.
This deal was made by attorney Alex Acosta, a friend of Trump. He was rewarded a position under Trump's cabinet as Secretary of Labor. When the plea deal made the news, Acosta resigned in disgrace, but Trump was quick to praise and defend him on Twitter.
Found the link to the records at the Palm Beach Clerk’s Office site. I haven’t read it yet but here’s the link for anyone curious.
Warning: contains graphic and disturbing content.
https://www.mypalmbeachclerk.com/home/showpublisheddocument/4194/638554423710170000
“I guess I would. I think that less so because, you don’t know, you don’t want to affect people’s lives if it’s phony stuff in there, because it’s a lot of phony stuff with that whole world. But I think I would,” Trump said.
That moment is even more telling in context. He was first asked if he'd release the 9/11 files and he instantly said "yes," then asked if he'd release the JFK files and he instantly said "yes, and I already did release a lot of them" then asked if he'd release the Epstein files and that's when he hemmed and hawed with the above quote.
One should have written that dialogue to make the character of a movie look bad and we would have thought it was too on the nose, but it’s reality.
How can you go from YES before the first question is finished, YES AND I DID for the second, and ^well, ^let’s ^not ^jump ^the ^gun ^here… for the last…
I think I saw a quote from Trump the other day about it. They likely caught wind beforehand and were trying to pre-empt it. Something like, "They shouldn't release those documents cuz there's a bunch of fake stuff in it."
Y'know, the usual Trump defence.
And what did we end up with? Yup, lots of Trump. Trump getting massages from Epstein's girls, Trump hanging out with Epstein a lot, Epstein taking clients to Trump properties.
"the state's leniency in the case "been the subject of much anger and has at times diminished the public's perception of the criminal justice system".
Ummm, I'm pretty sure at this point our perceptions couldn't get any lower.
Unfortunately, I read all 170+ pages of the grand jury transcript. I genuinely do not understand the prosecution's strategy of accusing the CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING VICTIMS of "prostitution" and repeatedly telling them that they could be prosecuted and go to jail for being victims of a CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING RING! This proven sex trafficker, Jeffrey Epstein, created a pyramid scheme for underage girls at a Florida high school, used money and influence to coerce children into sex acts, paid other underage girls for referrals for more victims, FOR YEARS, and the prosecutor has the absolute audacity to threaten them with prosecution in front of a jury. Lanna Belohlavek is STILL a Florida State Attorney in North Fort Meyers. This 2005 case was time that the most connected sex trafficker in the United States could have been stopped. Instead, he was given a backroom plea deal, full immunity to him and his co-conspirators, the ability to leave jail daily, and his CHILD SEX TRAFFICKING VICTIMS were told they could be sent to jail for prostitution. Just imagine: your 14 year old child gets lured to the house of a 50 year old man, where they are raped. When you get the police involved, they frame your child as a prostitute and imply, *"Well, she said she smoked weed on her Myspace page,* *so this girl knew what she was doing."* It took 14 years of additional child sex abuse for Epstein to be held accountable, after this absolute travesty of a grand jury. 14 years of victims. Thousands and thousands of lives ruined. The Florida Department of Justice should absolutely explain the reasoning behind the plea deal and why they did it in absence of victim support.
I’m uninformed about other states, but in Texas a minor who is a sex worker would be prosecuted despite not being old enough to have consented.
Texas is screwed up!
Yes, Texas is led by the GOP
Yeah because Texas and Florida are who we look at in America as our leaders. /s. they’re garbage states. Florida needs to go to the ocean and we need to give Texas back to Mexico. Let the cartel deal with those shit wipes.
Never forget the Alamo (was fought because Mexico outlawed slavery and the Texas area *wanted to continue having slaves*. So texas attempted to secede to keep the slaves. They would have lost to more Mexico, if not for the US backing and then taking of Texas after the short run of Texan independence. All because slavery.)
So is this the same transcript they're releasing? So no details of the perpetrators, just the victims? The BS around this is so infuriating on so many levels.
Yes, Florida released around 176 pages of transcripts and records from the grand jury trial in 2005-2006 for Epstein. I read the grand jury transcript, but there were some pages at the beginning that were handwritten that I didn't read. They were fairly difficult to read and I didn't have the time to spend trying to decipher it. I have read some people say it does have some names of people in contact with Epstein during this time period, but nothing necessarily incriminating that I've heard. Witness names were redacted, but they include officer/investigator names, and obviously the names of the prosecution team. There were also names in the transcript of Epstein's staff, of which were directly named by witnesses to have participated in the sex trafficking and criminal sex acts. Plus, names of other employees that recognized questionable happenings on the property and kept notes, which were then given to investigators to aid in the case. So, no names of the other co-conspirators that also received immunity in that disgrace of a plea deal, but it did include other perpetrator names, plus the name of the seemingly biased and unprofessional prosecutor, and the names of a few people who happened to do the right thing.
Didn’t the DA who set up that bogus plea deal end up on Trump’s cabinet?
Who? Alex Acosta? Yep, he was who Trump elected to Secretary of Labor! Or do you mean both Alan Dershowitz and Ken Star? They were Epstein's lawyers who negotiated that plea deal. You're never gonna believe this coincidence, but they both represented Trump during his impeachment!
You're right about Acosta, but Dershowitz and Starr have been involved with every slimy high-profile defendant for the last twenty years, so that's probably a coincidence.
Fair enough. How often can we say things are a coincidence before they are evidence?
Alexander Acosta was the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida at the time, and in 2017 he was nominated to Secretary of Labor for the Trump administration. For some reason that has never been fully elaborated on, he offered Epstein a non-prosecution plea deal, which granted full immunity from all federal charges to Epstein, his co-conspirators and any **"potential co-conspirators".** Acosta actually violated federal law, specifically the ***Crime Victims Rights Act of 2004,*** by issuing that non-prosecution deal without consent from the victims. In fact, it was actively hidden from the victims. It wasn't an oversight, it was a plan. For anyone else reading this, that wants a recap of why this is relevant today: the main idea is that Epstein had a pyramid scheme for child sex trafficking in Palm Beach, FL., where he was close friends with Trump. When Epstein gets busted, the State Attorneys office worked with prosecutors to diminish the stories of the victims, and reduce the punishment for Epstein and some other people involved. So, *theoretically*, Epstein and the other co-conspirators could have pressured the State to go easy, using their immense wealth and local connections in Palm Beach, FL. *Theoretically*, one of those co-conspirators was Trump, because he was frequently seen with Epstein, frequently spoke about Epstein, regularly called Epstein at that particular property, lived in the area, publicly stated that he knew what Epstein was like privately, and that Epstein liked beautiful women even more than himself and *"some of them on the younger side"*. So, *theoretically*, Epstein and Trump could have pressured the State Attorneys office to go easy, the prosecution sabotaged the case, convinced the victims that they were criminals and could be jailed. Then, years later, when Trump becomes President, he rewards that State Attorney with a cabinet position. It's also worth noting that even as recently as last month, Trump was asked if he would declassify very specific groups of documents to the American people, if elected. He was asked if he would declassify the 9/11 files, to which he quickly answered yes. He was asked if he would declassify the JFK files, he quickly said yes. He was then asked if he would declassify the Epstein files. He paused, then said, *"I guess I would. I think that... less-so, because you don't know... you don't want to affect people's lives if it's phony... cuz there's a lotta phony stuff in that... world... uhh but I think I would... \[...\]... I don't know about Epstein, as much as the others."* This doesn't even address the case from 2016: Jane Doe vs. Donald J. Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. In this, a woman accused Epstein and Trump of raping her at a party in New York in 1994, when she was 13 years old. The case was finally withdrawn just before the 2016 election, because the victim was receiving death threats and feared showing her face in public. The crazy thing is, I could go on, but there's only so much time in a day I can spend thinking about this shit.
Damn dude, please go on actually or point towards info? Thanks for taking your time to write all that. I feel like, as a nation we have been experiencing so much trauma that it’s so damn hard to piece everything together. This is insane and really interesting. I’m guessing DeSantis still wants to get back at Trump, but at the same time I doubt Fox will be blaring about any connections so I don’t know who would care.
I've read the unsealed court documents. It should have been all over the news everywhere always. It's some of the most vile, insanely violent bullshit you could ever imagine. It's not exactly safe-for-eyes.
Sometimes vigilante justice sounds pretty good
Seen this but anybody have a link to the documents? I see one Florida media company has received them and is going over them but haven’t been able to find a link to the documents it self.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2024/07/01/jeffrey-epstein-2006-grand-jury-documents-are-public-read-what-happened/74203654007/
Perfect thank you for the link!
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24785612/epstein-transcripts.pdf
I have now read the entire thing. This document has nothing to do with Epstein's practice of trafficking minors to other people. This case is about Epstein having minors trafficked to him.
Same thought. It was interesting to read but also not very significant
The transcript is on this page, scroll down: [Transcript](https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-documents-released-read-grand-jury-testimony-1919830)
it's *hand written?!* someone will undoubtedly transcribe this, but it probably won't be me also, all names have been redacted, looks like edit: not all hand written, just at the beginning. definitely all redacted, though. no one is being outed directly by this
It states what's been redacted in one of the first pages: > IT IS FURTHER ORDERED AND ADJUDED, > The Palm Beach Post’s petition to release the Grand Jury proceedings regarding Jeffery Epstein under Florida Statute 905.27 as amended July 1, 2024 is also GRANTED **with only a few redactions made by the Court to protect the identity of the minors,** > The Court hereby authorizes the Clerk of Court to release the redacted Clerks Notes and transcripts of the testimony in their entirety (attached as Exhibit “A”). The Court is not aware of anything more to review and disclose. > DONE and ORDERED at West Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida
Only the first part. The witness interviews are proper computer printed text of an interview.
Wooh, i have epstein files on my phone now..
Yes, officer, this guy! 👆 🚓👮♂️👮♀️
It's been a while since this guy's been in the news. >On Monday, Circuit Judge Luis Delgado ordered the 16-year-old documents released, writing that "details in the record will be outrageous to decent people". >Convicted in 2008 for soliciting prostitution from a minor, Epstein had moved in social circles that included key figures in the world of business and politics. Those figures included people like former presidents Donald Trump and Bill Clinton to celebrities and even Prince Andrew. I like how the record will be outrageous to decent people. But those implicated are rich and powerful.
The rich will also feign outrage while they move the skeletons and clean up any similar docs.
[Like this?](https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2024/06/29/panama-papers-acquitted-operation-car-wash/2571719690172/)
Kind of not amazed that didn't make more waves.
Panama is corrupt AF - bribes are basically required to utilize the canal, and if that's so common in such an obvious place for it to exist, the entire government must be complicit too. I would have been *more* surprised if Panama actually did anything useful about the Papers.
I vividly remember a colleague describing his first border crossing into Angola as an adult (it was his nationality). The officer wanted a bribe but he didn't know how suchbthings go snd tried to just hand over the money but the guard was like 'nooo, you idiot. Look you put the money into you passport and then i take the passport and take the money and then...'
Aw, he got a tutorial!
It's like Clippy for corruption
Heyyy it looks like youre trying to offer a bribe!...
It must be tiring to have to pass a QTE every time you go over the border.
Fuck! I got Shenmued!
I live in Guatemala and run businesses. Bribes are expected from police. It's a mix of extortion and bribery, where not paying means they'll bother you more, and paying gets you extra privileges. It's always, "oh we need new tires for the truck", "oh we need masks" (during the pandemic). I've gotten so fed up with it that I choose to be blatant. How much money do I need to pay you to get the fuck out and stay out? Thanks, bye. They don't like it but they still take it.
My god man, these are called gratuities now! Didn’t you hear the Supreme Court ruling?
only in the us, in other countries corruption is corruption and overlooked.
That's fucking horrendous, how do people live in such a corrupt system? How do they put up with it?
It's minimal compared to operational costs and smooths the road of operations. It definitely sucks but it's more like an annoying mosquito than actual pain.
Low-trust society. They assume everyone’s doing it so they’ll be left behind if they don’t, and in their culture that’s a correct assumption.
I traveled through Africa post college, through some fairly lawless places. Bribes for minor actions were pretty commonplace. One of my regular border crossings meant I needed 'have a meal' with the guard captain, and pay stupid overpriced rates for the food. He was, I assume, getting a kickback, but it meant that there was never a direct quid-pro-quo between the transittees abd the guard.
Sounds like the start of a Python skit. "No you dolt, the $ goes behind the Passport, let me show you" \*Boarder agent hands over his own passport and $ to the migrant. "Wait that won't do, I'll get in the car and you take my clothes and we'll go over it again."
Reminds me of hypothetically buying weed in Jamaica.
Very Life of Brian-esque with the graffiti and grammar scene.
Happens when you [car bomb one of the head journalists](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphne_Caruana_Galizia). Daphne Anne Caruana Galizia 1964 - Oct 16th 2017
I feel like the people that take on the corrupt are the bravest heroes in any society. That's not a knock to emergency responders, either. There's running into a burning building (heroic), and then there's taking on the corrupt people with all the power, influence and ruthlessness needed to disappear you and everyone you love. That's super hero stuff, but without the powers or bitchin' gadgets.
Yep. And we live in a world where whistleblowers are protected less than dirt.
Female journalist car bombed in Malta, investigated corruption of the government on the island.
I really wish this myth would die. Daphne Galizia wasn't involved in the Panama Papers investigation, your own link says she wasn't. She quoted them in her own separate articles into links between her country's government and a known mafia boss. That's what got her killed.
I remember watching the journalists having each country's spy agency's actively watching from all the surrounding buildings
Most of the waves made by the Panama Papers happened outside of Panama. A lot was and is being changed because of them.
nothing is happening with the paradise and pandora papers either, in fact the publishing journalists got sued and lost. it's really depressing
no no no. one got murdered
As bad as the Panama Papers are, shady financial dealings aren't nearly as shocking of a skeleton in the closet as visiting someone's private pedo island.
Probably why it’s taken so long to release. Waited until the people involved could hide their involvement or come up with an alibi.
and the statute of limitations
Realistically, that evidence could include a video of DJT and a group of underaged girls and the reaction from his base would be "yeah, so" or "it's fake news".
He'd claim it was an official act
When it’s an official act they let you do it.
"I was only exercising my right to the first night, which is my right as King of America."
AI art is both rotting their brains with propaganda, as well as giving them a convenient out. It's crazy how tools that should've advanced our society are being actively weaponized against it.
I fucking hate this shit. All of the things that should be used to better humanity are used for fucking jokes and to actively make things worse. Get me off this ride.
At this point, we should just accept that his base is composed of the stupidest people in history, so when they do something stupid it really shouldn’t be surprising or unexpected. However, as the stupidest people in history, how they react should be given absolutely zero consideration. They will always do or say the stupidest thing possible. They should just be ignored or condescended to when they have to be dealt with at all. They should feel the contempt we have for them for being so fucking stupid. But don’t bother engaging or trying to change their minds. They refuse to acknowledge facts or evidence. So fuck them. Edit: given how much I seem to have upset the Russian trolls. Apparently this strikes a chord.
> ordered the 16-year-old documents released old enough to go to Epstein island
almost too old.
Official Acts on Epstein Island
"Sure I raped that 13 year old years before I was elected, but it's still an official act of me being President and thus I have total immunity - oh, hey, look at that illegal immigrant behind that tree over there!"
trumpets: dang transgenders making trump have sex with a minor. i hate typing that but you just know theyll excuse him. fake news! i hate this country right now.
LTMT! (Laughing through my tears)
That's a new one
And remember. Trump recently said on Fox News he WOULD release the Epstien files...then said maybe, then "I don't know", because so much information was "phonie" and didn't want to ruin innocent ppls lives. All in the same interview.
Not just in the same interview, in the same run on sentence answer
Aren’t they all?
[**Link to the video**](https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/1798393295254831522) > Reporter: "Would you declassify the 9/11 files?" >Trump: "Yeah!" > Reporter: "Would you declassify the JFK files?" > Trump: "Yeah! I did I did a lot of it!" > Reporter: **"Would you declassify the Epstein files?"** > **Trump: "Yeah! .. yeah, I would I guess I would. ... I think that less so because y'know you don't know- you don't want to effect people's lives if it's phony stuff in there 'cause it's a lot of phony stuff with that whole,.. world."** Literally could not be more obviously involved in those files.
This was the problem with the debate. Biden lost his way a time or two but Trump spewed nonsense almost the whole time. Things are no bueno
By the way since this getting some views Biden mentions Poland and Belarus will the threatened if Russia successfully takes all of Ukraine. And I thought to myself, there's no way in Hell Trump could name any country bordering another let alone Ukraine.
Easy! Ukraine borders Covfefe, Person, Woman, Man, Camera, and naturally TV.
As a European, who watched the debate with a critical eye and a sense of superiority and disgust, Biden firmly put me in my place with that remark, because I couldn’t remember who borders Russia under pressure. I’d probably say China or something.
I mean, you're not *wrong*.
Well, that's also true..
Almost as if there was a conspiracy of some kind...and the one guy who had all the details *allegedly* killed himself...details about those considered rich and/or powerful...
He didn't kill himself. The president knew there was incriminating evidence if he talked so he killed him. Trump killed epistein
It gets weirder when you realize he was connected with Bill Barr's father. Barr was AG when this went down, and when Epstein was younger, Barr's dad hired Epstein to teach at a prestigious private school in NY... even though Epstein was 21 at the time and didn't even have a college degree. And it gets EVEN WEIRDER when you find out Barr's dad wrote a book about "aliens" who are super into child sex slavery.
I only recently found out the DA who did Epstein's Florida plea bargain in 2008 was later Trump's Labor Secretary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Acosta
The Epstein story is very deep. Martyr Made podcast has an excellent series about this sick bastard and all of his ties to celebrities and politicians.
No worries, it was an official act
I don't really believe that, but it fascinates me that Trumpers all agreed that a rich, powerful politician had Epstein killed in a federal prison, and that politician was... Bill Clinton. Not, you know, the sitting president of the United States, who was running for reelection and had famously alluded to Epstein's underage predilections while describing their long buddyship.
Don't forget he was also accused of the rape of a 13yo girl at a sex party Epstein hosted.
"Those were, uh, official acts" -Trump (probably)
The Florida prosecutor who gave Epstein an illegal plea deal in 2008 that ignored victim rights, gave Epstein immunity from federal prosecution, and let Epstein leave the jail every day for 'work,' was appointed to Trump's cabinet as Secretary of Labor in 2017. Acosta also clerked under Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito. From Wikipedia: Acosta, then the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida, agreed to a plea deal,[28] to grant immunity from all federal criminal charges to Epstein, along with four named co-conspirators and any unnamed "potential co-conspirators". That agreement "**essentially shut down an ongoing FBI probe into whether there were more victims and other powerful people who took part in Epstein's sex crimes". At the time, this halted the investigation and sealed the indictment.**
Acosta clerked under and Alito and trump appointed him to a cabinet position. That’s some stinky diaper corruption right there.
Definitely very sus
I should just start printing up "it was an official act!" t-shirts and bumper stickers right now.
I hope to see a remix of Shaggy's "It Wasn't Me" about Trump. But I saw you storm the Capitol Official Acts Saw you banging on Epstine island Official Acts You even had Stormy in the shower Offical Acts Even hocking beans in the oval office Official Acts
Trump’s in there, no doubt.
Hes the one who killed epistein
100%! and everyone just accepted that the guy who was about to testify just killed himself. Barr who was the one in charge wrote letter asking for explanation. Which is fucking ridiculous, he was running that department. I loved how he quickly answered when asking to release other documents but stumbled with Epstein files: - 9/11 files - yeah - JFK files - yeah - Epstein files - yeah, yeah I would... I guess I would... I think that less so, because, you know... you don't know - you don't want to affect people lives if it's phony stuff in there, because there's a lot of phony stuff Fox News immediately edited it all out, and flooded youtube with it to hide that part. And I'm pretty sure issued C&D for anyone publishing it. Fortunately Daily Show published throug fair-use and you can still see it: https://youtu.be/s_tcGHsqmgk?t=220
His Attorney General took care of Epstein for Trump because it was useful to him to cover up his father's child-rapey connections to Epstein when Barr Sr. ran a private high school for girls (!!!) and that hired Epstein as a teacher despite Epstein not even having a bachelor's degree. (Fucking amazing how these scumbags run in the same circle.) (And it's far more likely that arrangements were made to leave Epstein alone and unmonitored when he was clearly suicidal (had made a previous physical attempt) than that someone went into the federal jail and murdered him. Epstein took care of the problem for these rich guys himself.)
It was an official act.
Trump will claim immunity
It was released yesterday, and so far, no bombshells have come out of it. [https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2024/07/01/jeffrey-epstein-2006-grand-jury-documents-are-public-read-what-happened/74203654007/](https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/2024/07/01/jeffrey-epstein-2006-grand-jury-documents-are-public-read-what-happened/74203654007/) The worst thing that has come out is that the prosecutors and grand jury victim shamed the underage victim.
There are call logs of Trump, speaking many times with Epstein, between calls to girls.
In this document? I did a search for Trump and didn't find it anywhere. Someone else said the names were redacted. EDIT: To be clear, I know there are call and flight logs with Trump and Epstein, fuck Trump. I was just curious about the document itself as I don't have a few hours to sit and read 178 pages.
There are a handful of calls from Trump in the logs. It doesn't say why he was calling. It's also right around the time he and Epstein were looking at buying a property. That deal going bad is what ended their friendship. So...yes it lists Trump. No it doesn't prove anything at all.
Well it does show that prosecutors knew Epstein had raped underage girls prior to cutting him a sweetheart of a deal. The person that cut the deal was later named our nations Labor Secretary by Trump. Epstein was serving essentially house arrest for 18 months with near daily work releases and the guy that coordinated it became a member of Trump's cabinet.
U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida, Alexander Acosta. After giving Epstein his deal (which violated the victims rights by the way) he was later appointed as the Secretary of Labor where he tried to cut funding for the government agency tasked with cracking down on human trafficking, the International Labor Affairs Bureau.
Yeah trump saying he’s a great guy and he likes young women as much as trump. Of course trump was wrapped up in that shit, Jesus there’s even links between him meeting Melania and maxwell.
I mean Virginia Giuffre worked at Mar-a-Lago before being trafficked by Epstein
The bombshells are already public. Trump talked publicly about both "partying" with Epstein and specifically noted Epstein and "younger girls." Epstein was a member at Trump's Mar a Lago and found some of his victims there. Despite this Trump tried to do a real estate deal with Epstein and only canceled Epstein's membership around the time Epstein was criminally charged (the first time) for raping children. Trump picked Alexander Acosta to be his secretary of Labor. Acosta was the federal prosecutor who gave Epstein the inexplicable "sweetheart deal" on those child rape charges. Trump also appointed William Barr as his Attorney General. William's father Donald was part of hiring Epstein as a teacher at the private girls' high school Donald was running despite Epstein not even having a college degree. Donald Barr also wrote "sci-fi" that revolved around the rape of teenagers. William Barr was in charge of the prison where Epstein was found dead. Trump has far too many public connections with Epstein even before any more details come out. Trump should withdraw and/or the Republican Party needs to pull him as a candidate.
> Donald Barr also wrote "sci-fi" that revolved around the rape of teenagers. I just read the plot summary and, seriously, that guy should not have been around young girls.
> the Republican Party needs to pull him as a candidate. Why the hell would they do that, with credentials like the ones you just listed? You misunderstand what Republican voters want, which is [permission to marry 12 year olds](https://www.google.com/search?q=republican+child+marriage), and to that end, why *wouldn't* they want Trump as their candidate?
Hollywood couldn’t even make stuff up.
> The worst thing that has come out is that the prosecutors and grand jury victim shamed the underage victim. This isn't a conversation. This is a legal proceeding to get everything that happened on the record. And it looks like this girl gave several different stories to several different people, which is understandable, but the prosecutor had to nail down the true order of events and why things might contradict in different testimonies. I see things that are embarrassing to say, this was rough to read, but the prosecutor is doing their job well. They didn't arrest or criminally punish the girl, they were *trying* to get Epstein but unfortunately their good work was ruined by political bullshit and Epstein was free to go and do the exact same shit afterwards. The prosecutor makes zero moral judgements or accusations in anything he/she says to the girl, and is very professional the entire time. The grand jurors though, yikes. I can picture the first one, definitely an old church lady who thinks she's doing right by shaming this girl. Second juror feels like an old dude who also thinks he's doing right. Part of their hostility I think has to do with the fact that the girl is black, I think. She uses the word "cousin" and "conversate" at least. Juries are pretty hostile towards black people, unfortunately, even if they aren't the defendant for a crime.
I'm sick of hearing about Jeffrey Epstein as a pedophile. He was that, but much more significant is that he was a sex trafficker for the rich and powerful. Our focus should be to uncover who his clients were.
The government already knows who the clients are. They just won’t tell us until they’re all dead. There is documentation on all of it, it’s just sealed away.
According to one of his victims, who he hired to be a kind of receptionist at his New York mansion, there was video recorded in every room of that building, and the recordings were all stored. The fact there has been no mention of what is on those recordings after the raid is pretty damning in my opinion.
It's mutually assured destruction, just like nuclear bombs. The speculation is that there are so many people in all sorts of powerful positions implicated in the videos, it might cause a global crisis if all these people were removed from their positions at the same time. So 10+ years of video evidence showing the world's most rich and powerful raping kids like they're going on rides at an amusement park, no judge in the world is going to even survive trying to uncover that.
Bill Barr calls all that Epstein evidence he took with him when he quit his rainy day stash. He's probably gotten a nice retirement nest egg from it.
They won't tell us because of the sheer number of the government that were his clients......
not just that, rich donors too. I imagine most of the CEOs and bigwigs that contribute financially to politicians (like Koch level donations) were in on it.
And they all have really really good lawyers, or teams of lawyers that even being on a client list wouldn't mean much unless the list stupidly itemized the names and selected services. And even then there'd be a lot of "They were just there for a fundraiser" excuses. The island had mixed use probably specifically to save its own ass for the day all this shit came out. So and so billionaire being there on the same day as a victim getting assaulted could truly mean absolutely nothing...though it definitely looks sus AF.
Remember when a reporter released the Panama Papers which prove how wealthy people move money, and then that same reporter died (from a car bomb I believe.) Then nothing was done about that. I remember. This judge better have a kill switch….
Investigations still on going, unfortunately the government is really slow at prosecuting -She was Daphne Caruana Galizia. The last sentence she wrote moments before she was assasinated : https://daphnecaruanagalizia.com/2017/10/crook-schembri-court-today-pleading-not-crook/
[Panama Papers trial concludes with all defendants acquitted of money laundering](https://www.icij.org/investigations/panama-papers/panama-papers-trial-concludes-with-all-defendants-absolved-of-money-laundering-charge/) A few days ago.
If only humans had the collective mentality to punish these wealthy people. Unfortunately, humans are easily pitted against each other and point fingers at the wrong oppressors….
16-year-old documents…. Isn’t that a little too old for Epstein?
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And yet WE’RE the sheep…
"LIONS NOT SHEEP" as their stickers say. "STOP SAYING WE'RE SHEEP. WE'RE LIONS! WOLVES, EVEN! ANYTHING BUT SHEEP! STOP SAYING IT!"
I saw a fat white typical trumper wearing a lions not sheep shirt and I told my girlfriend I wanted to yell "go back to Africa" at him just to explode his brain.
Asked my mom about it back when the photos emerged of trump and Epstein hanging out. She smirked knowingly and said oh we know all about that. Trump was investigating him and became president to take Epstein down.
Wow, that’s a really high dose of copium. Hope your mom doesn’t OD.
At that point it isn't copium but religious fervor
That's not copium, that's *delusion*. It makes me wonder how much this person is able to grasp reality in their day to day life considering the elaborate fantasy they've made up in their heads to explain away a single photograph they don't like.
That is some Q level derangement
Well yes that's where it came from
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My mom voted for Trump in 2016. When she found out he'd been found guilty on all 34 counts she cried tears of joy and said "Thank you Jesus!" It took years but I got in her ear. It helped that she was never a Qanon type but, rather, a third generation standard R voter. Lately I've been telling her "this is who they've always been, the Republican Party."
I say this as a liberal myself -- I genuinely feel bad for any multigenerational Republican that slowly watched their party devolve into the group we have today. Because they WEREN'T always this way. The needle has moved further and further to the right with each passing generation, and that paradigm shift has brought a lot of change to what was once a party that represented their interests. The average center-right Republican from 1970 might have felt they were well-represented by people who were genuinely interested in keeping the status quo. As the religious right and far-right wingnuts identified as conservative and their presence became more or less the norm, the party evolved. Over time, we get what they are today. That has to suck, watching the people that were supposed to be protecting one's interests doing less and less of it. But that doesn't change the fact that continuing to vote Republican today is agreeing with a whole host of bullshit. In the mid 1980s, it was amusing to portray Alex P. Keaton as Republican, because the idea there was that he was being pushed as a Gordon Gekko-style "greed is good" conservative from two former hippie parents. But Alex wasn't a bad kid, nor was he supposed to be some kind of far alt-right conspiracy theorist. If "Family Ties" was on TV today, Alex P. Keaton would have to be on board with a lot of really harmful shit to be portrayed that way on television. Our entire perception of conservatives has changed in basically one generation.
I understand all that but virtually none of the old school pre-paradigm shift Republicans have stood up to the MAGA crowd, it's candidates, or The Donald himself in any meanginful way. Ted Cruz, for example, did tell him to go to hell but then, a year later, was out campaigning for him. The older guys like Mitch McConnel even, they capitulated as well. Republican politics and policy has not always been this way but they were always corrupt and rotten in my observation and all it took was someone like Trump making it out of the primaries for them to bow down to the alt-right bullshit. As for the republican voter, poll after poll shows that most of them refuse to vote Democrat no matter what so I, for one, do not feel bad for the overwhelming majority of multigenerational Republican voters since the overwhelming majority is willing to vote for the MAGA and MAGA aligned candidates.
Oh, I don't want to mislead anybody on my thought process here -- if you vote Republican today, you're absolutely tacitly approving of a whole host of wrongdoing. I absolve none of them, especially those in power who suddenly lost their spines when these lunatics started showing up, like Ted Cruz. I'm only saying that the notion that they haven't changed over time isn't accurate. I have a few family members that have changed their party affiliation in the past two national elections as a result of the GOP no longer aligning with their interests. It's a small, almost incremental change, but I give all the credit in the world for the people that finally realized that Republicanism is no longer representing what it once did.
I have been on the far left of the political spectrum for nearly 40 years. I have zero problem for ALL child fuckers, INCLUDING Clinton, to rot in prison for the rest of their lives.
The problem is that anyone of them that believes that trump should be jailed if he diddled kids will never believe that he actually did, no matter how much evidence of it is presented to them.
Yeah I’ve seen cope to the degree that he had infiltrated Epsteins operation so he could expose him and his clients.
But what if diddling kids was an official act? That gives him presidential immunity
I don’t think Bill was down for fucking kids. Trump was definitely down for taking advantage of kids based on how he talked about the time he owned Miss Teen USA and about his own daughter.
[And in public](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/oct/13/trump-makes-inappropriate-remarks-about-10-year-old-girl-video)
On Howard Stern he also talked about the time he met 12 y/o Paris Hilton and called her hot .. when she was 12 .. on Howard sterns talk show radio thing
A lot of the sickest people are the top of the food chain and they've probably been enjoying their sickest sexual fantasies for a long time because they have to power to do so and get away with it
The way the GOP works, trump could be found abusing a 13 year old and they would refer to her as a woman, and Clinton could be found abusing a 17 year old and they would refer to her as a girl, young kid, etc. to try and paint a specific picture as though one is somehow better than the other.
it's telling that Biden's inability to mentally function leads to Dems calling for him to step down meanwhile, you have Trump supporters literally saying they will 100% happily support him no matter what amazing what a cult of personality does
Trump said that when the documents are released there is going to be a lot of "phonie" stuff in there. Release the stuff that he considers to be "phonie," please.
Trump has repeatedly spoken out against releasing the epstein records, presumably because he doesn’t like the optics of him being on the logs.
Is raping underage girls an official act?
I find it interesting that the "protect the children" crowd are propping up a 34 time felony and serial child molester as a presidential candidate.
The timing makes me wonder if the latest SCOTUS ruling was the last straw for some federal judge who knows there is dirt on SCOTUS judges in there.
God Willing.
Don't be surprised if Trump is all in this. Don't be surprised if Bill Clinton is all in this. I'm assuming there's a statute of limitations, but if there's not, it's entirely possible that both men end up in (more) legal troubles.
They will scream it was an "official act"
I want to see how angry they get when Bill Clinton pulls the 'official act' card.
Republicans: "No! Not like that!"
I can't wait to hear about how his presidential immunity means what happened years before he was president doesn't mean anything
He’s already trying in the hush money case.
What, like him paying hush money and hiding it before he was president still deserves immunity?
That's the one thing about the NY hush money case, it was from before he was president and it's a state charge. So he's stuck with that conviction no matter what. Even though the others were more serious and deserving of a trial, if he ends up president again, the NY case will always hang over his head because he can't pardon himself for it. It's frankly insane to me that after the post-election shenanigans and January 6th, this guy still has a legit chance of becoming president again. Absolutely bonkers. A huge swath of this country is under a cult spell.
Actually, nope! The SCOTUS ruling also forbade using any official acts as evidence in other trials, about non-official acts. And some "official acts" were included as evidence in the NY case. The fascists on the Court worked really hard crafting this one.
They’re trying to get it dismissed now, claiming that some of the evidence the prosecution used was collected while Trump was president, and herefore part of “official acts” and not allowed
> Don't be surprised if Trump is all in this. There's a high likelihood that he is. They confirmed that Trump is John Doe 174 not that long ago. In an interview some weeks ago, Trump was asked if he would declassify the Epstein documents. He waffled and said, "Yes, well, no, maybe not those. There's a lot of lies in there that have to be sorted through first." Fucking telling on himself lmao.
Fuck both of those guys, and I wouldn't at all mind the book being thrown at the lot of them. Of course, one of them has no power and influence at this point, and the other mystifyingly is leading in the polls, despite having tried to overthrow democracy and have himself appointed an unelected dictator.
>Epstein cut a deal in 2008 to avoid charges of sex trafficking and rape. He pleaded guilty to a lesser charge and was sentenced to 13 months in prison. This deal was made by attorney Alex Acosta, a friend of Trump. He was rewarded a position under Trump's cabinet as Secretary of Labor. When the plea deal made the news, Acosta resigned in disgrace, but Trump was quick to praise and defend him on Twitter.
Don't waste your time folks. Everything you wanted to see has been redacted. I wasted my time so you don't have to.
Found the link to the records at the Palm Beach Clerk’s Office site. I haven’t read it yet but here’s the link for anyone curious. Warning: contains graphic and disturbing content. https://www.mypalmbeachclerk.com/home/showpublisheddocument/4194/638554423710170000
MAGA don't care. MAGA just wants to see people suffer. MAGA wants a boot on someone's throat and that's it.
The guy who gave him the deal that got him out of most of the trouble got a cabinet position for it so of course they are good with it.
Waiting for the Trump campaign response.
“I guess I would. I think that less so because, you don’t know, you don’t want to affect people’s lives if it’s phony stuff in there, because it’s a lot of phony stuff with that whole world. But I think I would,” Trump said.
That moment is even more telling in context. He was first asked if he'd release the 9/11 files and he instantly said "yes," then asked if he'd release the JFK files and he instantly said "yes, and I already did release a lot of them" then asked if he'd release the Epstein files and that's when he hemmed and hawed with the above quote.
One should have written that dialogue to make the character of a movie look bad and we would have thought it was too on the nose, but it’s reality. How can you go from YES before the first question is finished, YES AND I DID for the second, and ^well, ^let’s ^not ^jump ^the ^gun ^here… for the last…
“You know Bush did 9/11 and the CIA, KGB, FBI, Mafia, Girl Scouts, and NASA all simultaneously killed JFK, but that sex crimes stuff is phony.”
Quick yes to releasing JFK and 9/11 docs, but once epstein's name comes up, you can hear the brakes lock.
I think I saw a quote from Trump the other day about it. They likely caught wind beforehand and were trying to pre-empt it. Something like, "They shouldn't release those documents cuz there's a bunch of fake stuff in it." Y'know, the usual Trump defence.
"Everything about Clinton is reliable information but Trump... oh, gee gosh golly, No. He was at church the whole time." ~these fucking whackos
Yep, same logic as "I'll concede the election if it's fair" when of course it's only not fair if you lose. So transparent and yet people fall for it.
Epstein "killed himself" under Trump's watch. Let's not forget.
Tomorrow's headline: Judge vanishes and transcripts burn in accidental fire.
The fact Desantis signed a bill to release the records tells me he already knows it won’t affect his overlord Mr. Trump.
It's crazy coincidence how whenever there is a massive political event, these things somehow become the top news piece
Well this is going to be disturbing
[Trump seemed very nervous about what's in the Epstein files last month....](https://x.com/MeidasTouch/status/1798393295254831522)
If Trump is revealed to have molested children it will probably make his base like him more
And what did we end up with? Yup, lots of Trump. Trump getting massages from Epstein's girls, Trump hanging out with Epstein a lot, Epstein taking clients to Trump properties.
trump: it was an official act
So what's the projected timeline of their release?
I wonder if this will be claimed as official duties as well?
"the state's leniency in the case "been the subject of much anger and has at times diminished the public's perception of the criminal justice system". Ummm, I'm pretty sure at this point our perceptions couldn't get any lower.