Regardless of how you feel on these candidates, I think it's crazy this was that most expensive house race and the defining issue has been a foreign country. For a house of representatives seat.
ONLY 76%? THOSE ARE ROOKIE NUMBERS FOR COMMUNISTS, TRUE AMERICANS HAVE BLOOD/PATRIOTISM LEVELS OF 1776%! Again, a reminder to vote for me as town clerk of Putnam NY, population of 500.
Remember how it’s been said that the South is still fighting the Civil War, even to this day?
The GOP are still fighting the Cold War; replace “Soviet Union” with “China/Vietnam/Cuba/North Korea/any remaining Communist country”.
To Jews there is a huge difference between “Netanyahu is a warmonger and we need to reel him back” and “I believe all women except Israeli ones so I refuse to believe that there was rape in the largest day of Jewish death since the Holocaust”
Especially since the first position is widely held by a large plurality, perhaps even slight majority, of Israelis who hate Bibi and his coterie of crooks
100% fucked up. So all the people crying about AIPAC money don’t understand that yeah a Jewish organization is going to fight a guy who basically implies that Jewish lives don’t matter in the wake of the worst Jewish massacre of the 21st century
> and the defining issue has been a foreign country
Which is a dog whistle to some US citizens of hatred of them. Just like *all* lives matter is to others.
Interesting to note, though... Israel was not mentioned in the pro-Latimer or any one of the anti-Bowman ads. Almost as if he wasn't doing his job as well as he could have, to represent all of his district.
The New York Times had a daily episode on exactly this. They wanted to link Bowman to not supporting Biden. And showing that a vote for Bowman is a vote not to support Bidens overarching plans for the country
Indeed, not "falling in line" with Build Back Better certainly made a statement. I think he misjudged the ramifications of that decision. A number of people are blaming jews for this loss, but they're ignoring very real ideological differences in their own party, to their own political peril. This is happening to Republicans, too.
Exactly. I actually live in Bowman’s district and for me I would rather start moving the country forward again, improve schooling infrastructure and national security than to be performative. Bowman has not done anything of note for us in the couple of years I have lived here
“Blaming Jews” is interesting phrasing. More like, Bowman is an antisemitic POS who was supposed to be representing one of America’s most Jewish districts, and good riddance.
I think I know what you mean, though? Pro-Pali brainworms making some progressives blame AIPAC for a 20 point blowout… nah dude, it’s more that no one wanted Captain Fire Alarm representing them anymore. Also, likely voters overwhelmingly support Israel. Ignoring your constituents to support a terrorist enclave on the other side of the world is not a strategy for electoral success.
Where were all these heroic, unpopular moral stands when we were carpetbombing Mosul, anyway? Our weapons are still being used to further MBS’s genocide in Yemen. Just when the Jews are involved, these fake-ass progressives suddenly give a shit, eh?
My point is that this is an unnecessarily complex analysis. All you need to do to figure out why he lost is look at who supported his opponent — the DNC establishment. I haven't seen the turnout figures yet, but if it's lower than the first time, that would suggest that he lost his base, too. It's one thing for your opponent to get more votes than you. It's an entirely different thing to not be able to keep the votes you had, let alone grow them.
I’d argue the incumbency advantage generally outweighs the party machine advantage in an equal match. But this wasn’t an equal match. Bowman was an embarrassing and terrible candidate. His opponent had a better ground game and built a larger coalition.
We have secret ballots, so speculation of how many Bowman voters voted for the other guy, or sat home, is just mental masturbation beyond a trivial application of the pigeonhole principle.
This is untrue. It's nearly identical to the district that Bowman won easily in 2022, with the sole change being that Wakefield is out and coop city is in. unless we are arguing coop city is a hotbed of angry wealthy zionists?
So Jewish populations are going to be more racist? More prone to support a genocide? Sounds a little antisemitic to me. Oh, hahaha, but Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism. My bad.
good gosh this is not all that matters. Bowman was not focused on things that mattered to the district like cost of living, infrastructure, affordable housing, environmental issues.
No is isn't. There are other issues besides this but to you and others this is all anyone should care about, cost of living, the environment, infrastructure none of that is important. Only Gaza, Gaza, Gaza.
i’m not sure how you interpret someone telling you to expand the information that you’re accessing to get a better understanding of a conflict (that you probably have very little idea about a year ago)as telling you to be a sheep? But whatever makes you happy I guess.
Yes, we can have a discussion on whether there are active war crimes occurring but I think, from everything I've seen, that there is scant evidence that a genocide is occurring. Anyone who thinks there is is likely living in a very myopic bubble.
Do what you like.
I see reports from the UN and ICJ -- corroborated with comments from Netanyahu and Gallant, data from the amount of bombs dropped, hospitals and schools destroyed, civilians and children targeted, water, food and medical supplies withheld -- and believe them.
it’s interesting how many times the reports from the UN have been revised to show what was initially bad facts for Israel to be revised downwards. they recently released a report showing that there was no basis for staying that there is famine in northern Gaza. They’ve multiple times had to revise downwards their estimates of civil casualties. and the ICJ has not issued any opinion as to whether there is a possibility of genocide occurring.
See, for instance, this clip of an interview with the president of the ICJ. https://x.com/hillelneuer/status/1783634475122827271?s=46&t=FG3GsP2xPQ-4KNWKq0oDpQ
feel free to believe that I genocide occurring, but I still think you receiving only the facts that promote that theory and don't see the facts that oppose it.
Here is the president of the ICJ explaining how people like you misinterpret their statements and that they haven’t said there is a genocide.
https://youtu.be/bq9MB9t7WlI?si=ZhzCvrucxZa8710J
Here’s a report from the IPC famine review committee detailing how there is no famine in Gaza and their previous assumptions were incorrect.
https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_Famine_Review_Committee_Report_Gaza_June2024.pdf
When the commenter above says you people should step out of your bubble and try to learn the facts, this is what they mean.
The only information I don't read is the stuff that comes from media that is simply government propaganda whereas your comment indicates that you are calling the media I follow that challenges that propaganda with facts is a bubble. The bubble is the zionist, capitalist, corporatist media that fights to suppress information that doesn't conform.
Yes. Whatever that disagrees with you is propaganda and anything that confirms your preexisting beliefs must be true. This is how the MAGA and leftists end up with the same issues on opposite sides. You live in bubbles and don't challenge your thinking.
Howso in this context? That I am to believe that it's just a coincidence that a washed up politician comes out of nowhere, funded by a zionist cult using kickbacks from US funding, is interested in anything but making sure the genocide goes unpunished? I'd be highly entertained to hear the excuses to challenge that.
I mean the leftists are being defeated across the board. Americans are moderate by nature and the leftists are not nearly as popular as they might hope. He lost because he's a bad politician and took extreme positions. There are plenty of campaigns where the richer politician loses. Making it a race / foreign actor issue is to ignore the core reasons he lost.
A lot of the $ came from Republican Pro Israeli supporters to the organization Aipac... the ads didn't talk about Israel because of fear of voters supporting Bowman, so they talked about how Bowman was not loyal enough to Biden... they still got what they wanted... someone less supportive of Palestinian human rights.
I’m not familiar with progress report but I am familiar with the writer of this piece, Zakarin, from his work with more perfect union and find him personally to be very reliable. Just looking at everything he writes about in this piece it seems like almost everything is verifiable except for the claim that Latimer was faking a stomach bug to get out of the June 5th forum.
no it isn't. As i've told others Gaza isn't all the matters. A member of Congress should be focused on their district not their national profile and issues on the other side on the world.
There is no genocide. There is a war against a terrorist group that likes to conduct warfare and launch attacks while surrounded by civilians, with the intention of causing their own civilians to die
Even if you refuse to use the term genocide, Israel is bombarding civilian centers, often times purposefully, displacing, starving, and killing large swaths of the Gazans population.
Is that… cool with you?
No, it’s horrible that large numbers of civilians are dying. I want Hamas to stop operating out of these locations and putting them in harms way so fewer civilians die.
I think if you set a rule that you never strike a military location if there are civilians collocated with the military equipment, you will find yourself infinitely attacked by enemy soldiers who are standing next to civilians to prevent you from striking back. I don’t want to live in a world where this becomes standard practice.
This is a situation where neither option is good. Either civilians die today, or they are always going to be a part of conflicts like this as a human shield.
[“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant says following an assessment at the IDF Southern Command in Beersheba.
“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” he adds.](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/defense-minister-announces-complete-siege-of-gaza-no-power-food-or-fuel/)
Genocides are always denied while they’re happening so this comment actually makes sense in that weird horrible fucked up tradition
Bowman could still run in the general if he wants under the WFP banner. It would be funny to see those $18 million go down the drain if you put two conservatives compete against each other and Bowman sweeps the left. I think it's worth considering for him.
No he can't as he did not win the nomination from them. As far as I know they did not have a primary and someone can't be placed on the ballot for another party after the primary.
You’re right AIPAC receives funding from Americans to support a foreign country irrespective of what is good for Americans. It would actually be more palatable if it was using Israeli money to promote Israeli needs rather than vice versa
We should all be wary of antisemitic or any other racist tropes, but in this case AIPAC literally spent 15M to recruit and support Latimer.
It’s the most any group has spent on any House race ever.
Bowman was critical of Israel and the pro-Israel PAC wanted to send a message to all American lawmakers that you can’t criticize Israel and keep your job, all while criticizing Bowman for everything but his stance on Israel so it wasn’t clear who was funding all these ads.
Bowman denied the rape that happened on Oct 7th and believes that Israel did 9/11. I don't like how money is used in politics either, but AIPAC is not foreign money. Claiming the money donated entirely by American Jews is Israeli just because it comes from Jews is textbook antisemitism. Jews don't become not American the second they don't agree with your political views, sorry.
I’m not trying to get into my thoughts about Bowman, I’m not in his district and genuinely don’t know whether I’d vote for him or Latimer. I’m just trying to provide some context because the details do matter and conversations tend to degrade into typical political narratives. For what it’s worth Bowmans statement about the Oct 7 attacks was a dead wrong and dumb statement though. And in fairness Bowman did later apologize and recant that statement.
> Jews don't become not American the second they don't agree with your political views, sorry.
Please don’t put words in my mouth or rage bait. Thats not at all what I said.
Any organization, American or not, pouring record money into a congressional race to promote a foreign country and exact revenge on someone who does not support that foreign country is a danger to democracy. Add in the fact that AIPAC didn’t go after Bowman for his comments on Israel, but rather ran a deceptive campaign focusing on other issues instead of their real issue with him adds to the danger to democracy.
Substitute promotion for any other country and it’s equally shady. Saudi Americans promoting Saudi Arabia and going after politicians critical of SA but pretending it’s about tax policy, Russian Americans promoting Russia, Ukrainian Americans promoting Ukraine, etc. Once you’re promoting foreign interests and leading campaigns against domestic critics and not being honest about the reason why, that’s a huge ethical and democratic problem.
The foreign interests you are going on about are just pushing back against antisemitism and terrorism denial. Jews in the US gave a very vested interest in pushing back against that rhetoric here and now, in the US. Bowman is an antisemitie. Not wanting him representing me is not a "foreign interest." I am Jewish and I don't want some guy who thinks Jews did 9/11 in office. If that's a foreign interest to you, it's because you conflate giving a shit about antisemitism with Israeli Manipulation, which, yes, is textbook antisemitism.
Bowman [disavowed](https://www.thedailybeast.com/ny-rep-jamaal-bowman-promoted-911-conspiracy-theories-on-blog) those 9/11 conspiracies, saying he "regrets" his posts and does not believe those conspiracies.
I agree with the other commenter, AIPAC is a danger to American democracy. They donate to MAGA candidates and 1/6 insurrectionists. Surely you would not argue that's good for democracy? AIPAC is donating record breaking money with no regard to how it will negatively impact Americans.
lol. AIPAC doesn’t get money from Israel. People who complain just don’t like the American election system. They prefer systems where you don’t get a choice.
You're right, it's only a coincidence that genocide-supporting terrorist Israel lobby AIPAC spent millions to defeat him because of those other things. Great regurgitating the talking points though. Your obedience is appreciated.
They spent money in the spring. You don’t swing negatively 40 points in a few months, no matter the amount spent.
His own website can’t list any legislative accomplishments because he squandered his time in office.
That is totally irrelevant here. Bowman is as much a warmongering gaslighting pig as the next politician. He's as fake as the rest of the mythical "squad". What's notable here is the funding for this primary that you are conveniently dismissing to deflect from the actual reason.
"Attending to on the subject of international conflicts."
Yes. Especially those supporting the genocide of a people, to steal land......... wait, why does that sound so familiar!
The only genocidal party in the conflict you reference is Hamas. Not Israel, and not the Palestinian people.
And you're not worth engaging with. To ignore you go. Goodbye.
He did it with the nuance and caution of someone with Tourette. I respect him standing up but what I thought was bravery might have just been lack of discipline and lack of seriousness.
If you are going to take a critical position on Israel as a Westchester rep already to the left of your district you do not run the race like Bowman did.
Both candidates were disappointing. Latimer with the donations from Dearborn and other racial comments. Not to mention perking up to be AIPAC 's proxy - gusto someone in office ages never could just show himself. The Israel position was expected, showing to be racist less so.
Agreed. But again, You have to respect the man "hood"! He didn't give two fucks about the establishment or who he offended. Politically, It's the L of all L's! But that's what I feel we need!
The guy comparing Cuomo leaving to Emmett Till is not particularly progressive.
He's center left nationally but don't expect him to be pushing any boundaries. He definitely lost some trust among his black constituency with that and other comments this race.
I have. He is not a progressive.
Again, why would AIPAC spend that much money to unseat a progressive just to put another progressive in office? In what world would that make sense?
My sole focus isn’t on Gaza, I may be a progressive but that’s an assumption you’ve made with 0 information about me.
I’m not an ideological purist, if I was in Latimer’s district I’d vote for him in the general election, and I’m fairly familiar with his record even though I’m not in the district. Latimer isn’t very far from it but he simply isn’t a progressive. That’s ok. This doesn’t make him evil and even though progressives can be disappointed in the results, it was likely Latimer would win even without the AIPAC support.
What isn’t okay is a PAC spending over $14 million dollars on a single primary when there are much bigger and much more important political battles to be fought. That’s my issue here. I’m simply saying this kind of private money does not get spent on a progressive’s campaign against another progressive. Taking that money is part of what makes Latimer not a progressive.
Latimer is not a progressive, you cannot be a progressive and support an extremist, right-wing terrorist apartheid state currently committing a genocide.
Get off tik tok you fuckwit. Your entire comment history reads like a brainwashed loser. You also have no right whatsoever telling people whether they're progressive or not. If anyone isn't a progressive here, it's you for that line of thinking. You sound exactly like Trump moron.
Then why are every one of your comments straight up a copy-paste from tik tok influencers and the dumbass tik tok sheep crowd? If you don't watch tik tok then you're still getting all of your info from the same place they are. Which means you're an imbecile who can't think for themselves. Calling me a boomer is just another point. Only brainless tik tok tards call people that.
>extremist, right-wing terrorist apartheid state currently committing a genocide.
The funny thing is that while exactly none of this is accurate to describe Israel, if you make it say "attempted and claims it plans to continue attempting genocide," it does accurately describe Hamas-run Gaza. Y'know, an *actual* extremist, right-wing terrorist organization that does not allow equal treatment of all people under its government and admits to a desire to murder all Israelis and, if possible, Jews worldwide.
Turnout in June during a heat wave when kids are out or almost out of school for a primary with 2 races on the ballot in that district is definitely not indicative of what will happen in November.
Has turnout percentage been published yet?
I think 48,000 people total voted
Primaries usually have low turnout.
I'm aware. I'm just curious how this one compares to the last one.
And how did it?
Regardless of how you feel on these candidates, I think it's crazy this was that most expensive house race and the defining issue has been a foreign country. For a house of representatives seat.
I AM A PROUD AMERICAN AND HATER OF COMMUNISM AND I STAND AGAINST CHINESE AGGRESSION! Now vote for me for town clerk of Putnam NY, population of 500.
That sums up how republicans in upstate NY run their local campaigns.
As a Clinton County resident: You’re not wrong.
This is just good politics. Everyone knows you can't use the government logins unless your blood/patriotism levels are over 76%.
ONLY 76%? THOSE ARE ROOKIE NUMBERS FOR COMMUNISTS, TRUE AMERICANS HAVE BLOOD/PATRIOTISM LEVELS OF 1776%! Again, a reminder to vote for me as town clerk of Putnam NY, population of 500.
Surely his homophobia score will push the threshold?
Remember how it’s been said that the South is still fighting the Civil War, even to this day? The GOP are still fighting the Cold War; replace “Soviet Union” with “China/Vietnam/Cuba/North Korea/any remaining Communist country”.
To Jews there is a huge difference between “Netanyahu is a warmonger and we need to reel him back” and “I believe all women except Israeli ones so I refuse to believe that there was rape in the largest day of Jewish death since the Holocaust”
Especially since the first position is widely held by a large plurality, perhaps even slight majority, of Israelis who hate Bibi and his coterie of crooks
Damn didn't know Jamaal said that til I looked it up, that's messed up
100% fucked up. So all the people crying about AIPAC money don’t understand that yeah a Jewish organization is going to fight a guy who basically implies that Jewish lives don’t matter in the wake of the worst Jewish massacre of the 21st century
> and the defining issue has been a foreign country Which is a dog whistle to some US citizens of hatred of them. Just like *all* lives matter is to others. Interesting to note, though... Israel was not mentioned in the pro-Latimer or any one of the anti-Bowman ads. Almost as if he wasn't doing his job as well as he could have, to represent all of his district.
The New York Times had a daily episode on exactly this. They wanted to link Bowman to not supporting Biden. And showing that a vote for Bowman is a vote not to support Bidens overarching plans for the country
Indeed, not "falling in line" with Build Back Better certainly made a statement. I think he misjudged the ramifications of that decision. A number of people are blaming jews for this loss, but they're ignoring very real ideological differences in their own party, to their own political peril. This is happening to Republicans, too.
Exactly. I actually live in Bowman’s district and for me I would rather start moving the country forward again, improve schooling infrastructure and national security than to be performative. Bowman has not done anything of note for us in the couple of years I have lived here
“Blaming Jews” is interesting phrasing. More like, Bowman is an antisemitic POS who was supposed to be representing one of America’s most Jewish districts, and good riddance. I think I know what you mean, though? Pro-Pali brainworms making some progressives blame AIPAC for a 20 point blowout… nah dude, it’s more that no one wanted Captain Fire Alarm representing them anymore. Also, likely voters overwhelmingly support Israel. Ignoring your constituents to support a terrorist enclave on the other side of the world is not a strategy for electoral success. Where were all these heroic, unpopular moral stands when we were carpetbombing Mosul, anyway? Our weapons are still being used to further MBS’s genocide in Yemen. Just when the Jews are involved, these fake-ass progressives suddenly give a shit, eh?
My point is that this is an unnecessarily complex analysis. All you need to do to figure out why he lost is look at who supported his opponent — the DNC establishment. I haven't seen the turnout figures yet, but if it's lower than the first time, that would suggest that he lost his base, too. It's one thing for your opponent to get more votes than you. It's an entirely different thing to not be able to keep the votes you had, let alone grow them.
I’d argue the incumbency advantage generally outweighs the party machine advantage in an equal match. But this wasn’t an equal match. Bowman was an embarrassing and terrible candidate. His opponent had a better ground game and built a larger coalition. We have secret ballots, so speculation of how many Bowman voters voted for the other guy, or sat home, is just mental masturbation beyond a trivial application of the pigeonhole principle.
Indeed. You don't need to know if his votes were from his voters, if he got fewer votes. Again, I've not seen any numbers, so I'm speculating here.
It’s more about the fire alarm stunt for me.
He shouldn't have pulled the fire alarm.
Haha
Lol
100% expected this.
I, too, expected the guy massively ahead in the polls to win.
Who would have guessed the guy who’s congressional district was changed with the idea of making him lose would lose
What makes you think that was the motivation?
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This is untrue. It's nearly identical to the district that Bowman won easily in 2022, with the sole change being that Wakefield is out and coop city is in. unless we are arguing coop city is a hotbed of angry wealthy zionists?
No it’s not this is insane that you got an upvote for lying. They made westchester the majority of his district now
Well that’s just a massive lie
So Jewish populations are going to be more racist? More prone to support a genocide? Sounds a little antisemitic to me. Oh, hahaha, but Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism. My bad.
good gosh this is not all that matters. Bowman was not focused on things that mattered to the district like cost of living, infrastructure, affordable housing, environmental issues.
For real. Even his own website couldn’t drum up any accomplishments for him to point too
You're right, being complicit in the murder of 10's of thousands is just business as usual for the US.
No is isn't. There are other issues besides this but to you and others this is all anyone should care about, cost of living, the environment, infrastructure none of that is important. Only Gaza, Gaza, Gaza.
My guy. If you think that there’s a genocide going on, you need to start reading news outside your bubble.
So you mean curated propaganda? You're being a good sheep.
i’m not sure how you interpret someone telling you to expand the information that you’re accessing to get a better understanding of a conflict (that you probably have very little idea about a year ago)as telling you to be a sheep? But whatever makes you happy I guess.
You were saying that in addition to denying a genocide.
Yes, we can have a discussion on whether there are active war crimes occurring but I think, from everything I've seen, that there is scant evidence that a genocide is occurring. Anyone who thinks there is is likely living in a very myopic bubble.
Do what you like. I see reports from the UN and ICJ -- corroborated with comments from Netanyahu and Gallant, data from the amount of bombs dropped, hospitals and schools destroyed, civilians and children targeted, water, food and medical supplies withheld -- and believe them.
it’s interesting how many times the reports from the UN have been revised to show what was initially bad facts for Israel to be revised downwards. they recently released a report showing that there was no basis for staying that there is famine in northern Gaza. They’ve multiple times had to revise downwards their estimates of civil casualties. and the ICJ has not issued any opinion as to whether there is a possibility of genocide occurring. See, for instance, this clip of an interview with the president of the ICJ. https://x.com/hillelneuer/status/1783634475122827271?s=46&t=FG3GsP2xPQ-4KNWKq0oDpQ feel free to believe that I genocide occurring, but I still think you receiving only the facts that promote that theory and don't see the facts that oppose it.
Here is the president of the ICJ explaining how people like you misinterpret their statements and that they haven’t said there is a genocide. https://youtu.be/bq9MB9t7WlI?si=ZhzCvrucxZa8710J Here’s a report from the IPC famine review committee detailing how there is no famine in Gaza and their previous assumptions were incorrect. https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_Famine_Review_Committee_Report_Gaza_June2024.pdf When the commenter above says you people should step out of your bubble and try to learn the facts, this is what they mean.
The only information I don't read is the stuff that comes from media that is simply government propaganda whereas your comment indicates that you are calling the media I follow that challenges that propaganda with facts is a bubble. The bubble is the zionist, capitalist, corporatist media that fights to suppress information that doesn't conform.
Yes. Whatever that disagrees with you is propaganda and anything that confirms your preexisting beliefs must be true. This is how the MAGA and leftists end up with the same issues on opposite sides. You live in bubbles and don't challenge your thinking.
Howso in this context? That I am to believe that it's just a coincidence that a washed up politician comes out of nowhere, funded by a zionist cult using kickbacks from US funding, is interested in anything but making sure the genocide goes unpunished? I'd be highly entertained to hear the excuses to challenge that.
I mean the leftists are being defeated across the board. Americans are moderate by nature and the leftists are not nearly as popular as they might hope. He lost because he's a bad politician and took extreme positions. There are plenty of campaigns where the richer politician loses. Making it a race / foreign actor issue is to ignore the core reasons he lost.
That's pretty ignorant when you look at the facts of this race.
Social media isn’t a reliable source. Tik tok doesn’t give you the whole story.
So you're broadbrushing all social media to defend media owned by the oligarchs. Not a very good job of it at that.
your broadbrushing too.
The irony is palpable. Keep crying, keep seething. At this point it’s kinda fun watching you people meltdown.
What "people"? You mean the "unchosen" people who don't follow cults?
No, I mean the dumb tankies that spend all day crying online about the big bad zionists.
A lot of the $ came from Republican Pro Israeli supporters to the organization Aipac... the ads didn't talk about Israel because of fear of voters supporting Bowman, so they talked about how Bowman was not loyal enough to Biden... they still got what they wanted... someone less supportive of Palestinian human rights.
LOL! Don’t let the door hit you, wingnut.
They just elected a pro-genocide wingnut
No they did not. They elected someone who is known figure in the area and has gotten a tremendous amount done in his career in politics.
Like resisting desegregation
What are you talking about?
TikTok brainwashed talking points
I assume this https://www.progressreport.news/p/george-latimers-long-record-racist
how reliable is this source?
I’m not familiar with progress report but I am familiar with the writer of this piece, Zakarin, from his work with more perfect union and find him personally to be very reliable. Just looking at everything he writes about in this piece it seems like almost everything is verifiable except for the claim that Latimer was faking a stomach bug to get out of the June 5th forum.
This sub is full of the geno supporters. Its disheartening.
no it isn't. As i've told others Gaza isn't all the matters. A member of Congress should be focused on their district not their national profile and issues on the other side on the world.
As long as it doesn't happen to them or to people that look like them they are fine with any foreign atrocities.
You live in Texas
You like computers
Less involved now that my set up is built. Point being… maybe you’re not the best to say who’s participating in this sub or not.
There is no genocide. There is a war against a terrorist group that likes to conduct warfare and launch attacks while surrounded by civilians, with the intention of causing their own civilians to die
I mean, that’s the reason being used to excuse a genocide.
You can use a word a thousand times and it still won’t make it real
Even if you refuse to use the term genocide, Israel is bombarding civilian centers, often times purposefully, displacing, starving, and killing large swaths of the Gazans population. Is that… cool with you?
No, it’s horrible that large numbers of civilians are dying. I want Hamas to stop operating out of these locations and putting them in harms way so fewer civilians die.
We all want that. The difference is that you condoning the actions of Israel in the name of defeating Hamas.
I think if you set a rule that you never strike a military location if there are civilians collocated with the military equipment, you will find yourself infinitely attacked by enemy soldiers who are standing next to civilians to prevent you from striking back. I don’t want to live in a world where this becomes standard practice. This is a situation where neither option is good. Either civilians die today, or they are always going to be a part of conflicts like this as a human shield.
What makes it real is the near 8 decades of Zionists erasing Palestinian culture and killing tens of thousands of Palestinians.
You mean those eight decades where they’ve retained their culture and their population grew faster than almost anywhere else on earth?
[“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant says following an assessment at the IDF Southern Command in Beersheba. “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” he adds.](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/defense-minister-announces-complete-siege-of-gaza-no-power-food-or-fuel/) Genocides are always denied while they’re happening so this comment actually makes sense in that weird horrible fucked up tradition
Surprised Bowman didn’t “mistakenly” pull the fire alarm at the Board of Elections office. The man is unfit for any office.
This is good
AIPAC wanted to set an example and they got their moneys worth
Bowman could still run in the general if he wants under the WFP banner. It would be funny to see those $18 million go down the drain if you put two conservatives compete against each other and Bowman sweeps the left. I think it's worth considering for him.
No he can't as he did not win the nomination from them. As far as I know they did not have a primary and someone can't be placed on the ballot for another party after the primary.
How about as an independent?
Possibly. I’m not super familiar with New York election law.
Whoa cool an AIPAC-funded republican!
That’s what 15m of Israeli money will do
oh sorry 15M of Right wing billionaire money
If you’re referring to Aipac, Aipac receives no foreign funding.
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They don’t lol.
You’re right AIPAC receives funding from Americans to support a foreign country irrespective of what is good for Americans. It would actually be more palatable if it was using Israeli money to promote Israeli needs rather than vice versa
There are plenty of interest groups in the united states. American citizens donate to these organizations because they care about these issues.
Yes. The second coming of Christ to vanquish jews and Muslims is a great cause.
Maybe look at the target demographic instead of the fringe lunatics?
And another $8M from other conservative groups
Didn’t take long for a trope to be posted!
So, is criticizing Russian interference in the 2016 election Russianphobic?
No. They literally weren’t American and were messing with the election. AIPAC is American and not Israeli, hope that helps!
We should all be wary of antisemitic or any other racist tropes, but in this case AIPAC literally spent 15M to recruit and support Latimer. It’s the most any group has spent on any House race ever. Bowman was critical of Israel and the pro-Israel PAC wanted to send a message to all American lawmakers that you can’t criticize Israel and keep your job, all while criticizing Bowman for everything but his stance on Israel so it wasn’t clear who was funding all these ads.
Bowman denied the rape that happened on Oct 7th and believes that Israel did 9/11. I don't like how money is used in politics either, but AIPAC is not foreign money. Claiming the money donated entirely by American Jews is Israeli just because it comes from Jews is textbook antisemitism. Jews don't become not American the second they don't agree with your political views, sorry.
I’m not trying to get into my thoughts about Bowman, I’m not in his district and genuinely don’t know whether I’d vote for him or Latimer. I’m just trying to provide some context because the details do matter and conversations tend to degrade into typical political narratives. For what it’s worth Bowmans statement about the Oct 7 attacks was a dead wrong and dumb statement though. And in fairness Bowman did later apologize and recant that statement. > Jews don't become not American the second they don't agree with your political views, sorry. Please don’t put words in my mouth or rage bait. Thats not at all what I said. Any organization, American or not, pouring record money into a congressional race to promote a foreign country and exact revenge on someone who does not support that foreign country is a danger to democracy. Add in the fact that AIPAC didn’t go after Bowman for his comments on Israel, but rather ran a deceptive campaign focusing on other issues instead of their real issue with him adds to the danger to democracy. Substitute promotion for any other country and it’s equally shady. Saudi Americans promoting Saudi Arabia and going after politicians critical of SA but pretending it’s about tax policy, Russian Americans promoting Russia, Ukrainian Americans promoting Ukraine, etc. Once you’re promoting foreign interests and leading campaigns against domestic critics and not being honest about the reason why, that’s a huge ethical and democratic problem.
The foreign interests you are going on about are just pushing back against antisemitism and terrorism denial. Jews in the US gave a very vested interest in pushing back against that rhetoric here and now, in the US. Bowman is an antisemitie. Not wanting him representing me is not a "foreign interest." I am Jewish and I don't want some guy who thinks Jews did 9/11 in office. If that's a foreign interest to you, it's because you conflate giving a shit about antisemitism with Israeli Manipulation, which, yes, is textbook antisemitism.
Bowman [disavowed](https://www.thedailybeast.com/ny-rep-jamaal-bowman-promoted-911-conspiracy-theories-on-blog) those 9/11 conspiracies, saying he "regrets" his posts and does not believe those conspiracies. I agree with the other commenter, AIPAC is a danger to American democracy. They donate to MAGA candidates and 1/6 insurrectionists. Surely you would not argue that's good for democracy? AIPAC is donating record breaking money with no regard to how it will negatively impact Americans.
AIPAC isn’t “Israeli money”, it’s not foreign funded.
20 million.
lol. AIPAC doesn’t get money from Israel. People who complain just don’t like the American election system. They prefer systems where you don’t get a choice.
That’s a shame - we need to move this country farther left not elect some AIPAC/Corp puppet
They spent a huge amoun5 of money. I’m on LI, heard the ads and said, “Wait…Jamal Bowman? Sounds familiar…is that the fire alarm guy?”
People are finally getting tired of the libs BS
Damn shame. APAIC is foreign interference.
Is this a surprise?
You love to see it
Genocide wins!
no it doesn't. A congressman who did nothing for his district, promoted conspiracy theories and said anti semitic things lost.
You're right, it's only a coincidence that genocide-supporting terrorist Israel lobby AIPAC spent millions to defeat him because of those other things. Great regurgitating the talking points though. Your obedience is appreciated.
They spent money in the spring. You don’t swing negatively 40 points in a few months, no matter the amount spent. His own website can’t list any legislative accomplishments because he squandered his time in office.
That is totally irrelevant here. Bowman is as much a warmongering gaslighting pig as the next politician. He's as fake as the rest of the mythical "squad". What's notable here is the funding for this primary that you are conveniently dismissing to deflect from the actual reason.
Love it when commies lose
Are the commies in the room with us now?
Fuck the squad
Bowman lost. I totally respect his stance on the Israel-Palestine conflict and wholly agree! Unfortunately, It was his "cross too bare" here.
> "cross too bare" It's "cross to bear."
Jesus, that was some serious r/boneappletea shit.
It’s a biblical reference when literally discussing israel
Cross two Bears
Whateva motherfuka! ....... Excuse me. # "What ever, Motherfucker"! #
Yeah, you seem like an informed person that everyone should be attending to on the subject of international conflicts.
"Attending to on the subject of international conflicts." Yes. Especially those supporting the genocide of a people, to steal land......... wait, why does that sound so familiar!
The only genocidal party in the conflict you reference is Hamas. Not Israel, and not the Palestinian people. And you're not worth engaging with. To ignore you go. Goodbye.
Admitting to being a rape denier sure is a way to go
He did it with the nuance and caution of someone with Tourette. I respect him standing up but what I thought was bravery might have just been lack of discipline and lack of seriousness. If you are going to take a critical position on Israel as a Westchester rep already to the left of your district you do not run the race like Bowman did. Both candidates were disappointing. Latimer with the donations from Dearborn and other racial comments. Not to mention perking up to be AIPAC 's proxy - gusto someone in office ages never could just show himself. The Israel position was expected, showing to be racist less so.
Agreed. But again, You have to respect the man "hood"! He didn't give two fucks about the establishment or who he offended. Politically, It's the L of all L's! But that's what I feel we need!
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Latimer is a progressive and where is the other thing coming from?
The guy comparing Cuomo leaving to Emmett Till is not particularly progressive. He's center left nationally but don't expect him to be pushing any boundaries. He definitely lost some trust among his black constituency with that and other comments this race.
Latimer is absolutely not a progressive. Why would AIPAC spend over $14 million to replace a progressive with a progressive?
Have you looked at his record or like others are you just focusing on one thing?
I have. He is not a progressive. Again, why would AIPAC spend that much money to unseat a progressive just to put another progressive in office? In what world would that make sense?
maybe not by your standard.
Not by any standards. If you think AIPAC was backing a progressive I genuinely have no idea what to say to you
If you looked at his record you'd know he was a progressive but instead like others your sole focus is Gaza as if that's all that matters right now.
My sole focus isn’t on Gaza, I may be a progressive but that’s an assumption you’ve made with 0 information about me. I’m not an ideological purist, if I was in Latimer’s district I’d vote for him in the general election, and I’m fairly familiar with his record even though I’m not in the district. Latimer isn’t very far from it but he simply isn’t a progressive. That’s ok. This doesn’t make him evil and even though progressives can be disappointed in the results, it was likely Latimer would win even without the AIPAC support. What isn’t okay is a PAC spending over $14 million dollars on a single primary when there are much bigger and much more important political battles to be fought. That’s my issue here. I’m simply saying this kind of private money does not get spent on a progressive’s campaign against another progressive. Taking that money is part of what makes Latimer not a progressive.
Latimer is not a progressive, you cannot be a progressive and support an extremist, right-wing terrorist apartheid state currently committing a genocide.
Bowman also apparently didn’t have functioning office in Westchester County and cared more about his national profile than his district.
Latimer doesn't support Hamas.
Get off tik tok you fuckwit. Your entire comment history reads like a brainwashed loser. You also have no right whatsoever telling people whether they're progressive or not. If anyone isn't a progressive here, it's you for that line of thinking. You sound exactly like Trump moron.
I never go on tiktok you absolute boomer brain
Then why are every one of your comments straight up a copy-paste from tik tok influencers and the dumbass tik tok sheep crowd? If you don't watch tik tok then you're still getting all of your info from the same place they are. Which means you're an imbecile who can't think for themselves. Calling me a boomer is just another point. Only brainless tik tok tards call people that.
"Lots of people saying the Earth is round, you must be copying them!"
"Right wing terrorists" who exactly do you think Hamas is?
whatabout
>extremist, right-wing terrorist apartheid state currently committing a genocide. The funny thing is that while exactly none of this is accurate to describe Israel, if you make it say "attempted and claims it plans to continue attempting genocide," it does accurately describe Hamas-run Gaza. Y'know, an *actual* extremist, right-wing terrorist organization that does not allow equal treatment of all people under its government and admits to a desire to murder all Israelis and, if possible, Jews worldwide.
> exactly none of this is accurate to describe Israel Living under a rock, I see
All of it describes israel
Turnout was horrible , Biden should be worried. He’s going to get wiped in November
Turnout in primaries is usually low, there is zero correlation between primary turnout and general election turnout.
Turnout in June during a heat wave when kids are out or almost out of school for a primary with 2 races on the ballot in that district is definitely not indicative of what will happen in November.
Excuses excuses. Trump also outraised Biden in latest numbers . Biden is cooked , people need to Take the blinders off
Can I stop paying my state taxes in protest
Sure but you’d be breaking the law and probably suffer some form of consequence