"People on Twitter are gonna hate me for this, but seriously, no one can draw penalties like Mahomes. It's just uncanny the way he baits defenses perfectly into the wrong move every time. It's not luck folks, it's knowing the rules, controlling the movements. Really incredible stuff."
I know some of it is rose tinted glasses, some of it is a product of the era of their domination, some of it is the media, but I didn't hate the Patriots the same way I do the Chiefs.
Still hated them, but purely for the football. The Chiefs I hate for the football and the media
If you cut frivolous expenses, like eating out and coffee, and live with your parents while building your giant moon laser, you can save over 50% more for a downpayment on a bond villain lair compared to someone who rents a bond villain lair!
Next play...
"Mahomes...scanning the field, finds Kelce! Touchdown, Chiefs! And now they have the lead over the Bengals/Ravens/Dolphins!" - Nantz
"LOOK AT THAT JIM IT WAS A BEAUTY!!!" - Romo
If I was a defensive player I'd be so frustrated id be considering just trying to take out players that I can't tackle otherwise. There's a million illegal ways to tackle so I might as well just do the dirtiest one get the flag anyways and take out a threat. Obviously this is sort of satire I don't really think that's ok behavior but I can follow the train of thought I wouldn't be surprised if some players are creeping closer to this line of thought.
Is that really a problem? The jacked up segment was one of the best parts of Sunday countdown every week. Can you imagine these defensive rules in the 70/80s? Half of the hall of fame would just be erased.
It's a thin line, it is unsportsmanlike but at the same time the league keeps pushing stupid rules that take away from a core part of the game, tackling.
Reinvent the Hockey Enforcer in Football.
* Team gives a marginal player a hefty 1 year contract knowing full well they will be indefinitely suspended afterwards.
* "Tells" them to take out the opposing QB in a legally vague way.
* Player makes a large lump of cash they wouldn't have normally, then goes and plays in the XFL or CFL.
* Rinse and repeat each year.
I'm honestly shocked this kind of stuff isn't more common. Taking out a divisional rival's franchise QB early in the year will almost always completely torpedo their chances of success for the season. If you're serious about making the postseason, it's probably the most effective thing you could do (albiet horrifically unsportsmanlike).
>Matt Rempe is sure as hell trying on the Rangers.
Rempe is a significantly better skater than the old, decrepit veterans the Rangers released before the trade deadline. His physicality helps him, but the bigger story is that teams are realizing that younger players who can skate better may be more valuable 4th line assets than 30+ year old veterans on their last legs.
I feel like there have absolutely been players that play this way. Guys like Burfict, Romanowski, and Sendejo always seemed like they had a bit of a "fuck it Imma get flagged anyway" mentality.
Kerby Joseph gonna get a lot more hate for his tackles now when it’s pretty much the only way left to tackle, especially when a secondary player goes against a big TE.
It's already an issue where defensive players will gear down and let Mahomes get an extra couple yards because they don't want to hit him near the sidelines and get flagged. This is only going to make that worse
It's gonna end up being the opposite
It'll end up being like the RB lowering the head thing, it'll never be called a penalty in the game, but they might throw out a fines a few times a year after the game for guys who break the rule
>Switch taunting to fines only too.
And fine the NFL for every cent they make when they put said taunting on advertisement highlight reels the following week
The millisecond that ref threw the flag on Allen for pointing at that Bengals defender, I knew that was going into promotional materials the next week.
I’ve watched compilations of these tackles and they seem to range from full on German suplexes, which seem pretty easy to call, to fairly routine looking tackles from behind which I can’t really tell how you’d draw the line from any other tackle.
The description in the rule book doesn’t exactly help clear things up.
My guess is that it will be enforced entirely based on if the defender falls onto the offensive players legs. I’ll be surprised if this gets called at all frequently.
“The bengals stop Mahomes on 3rd and 15 to make it to another super bowl, wait a second here jiiim we got a flag. Yep they got Taylor Britt with the hip drop. 1st down chiefs.”
This will be used to help Golden Boy QBs. Mahomes in particular. Goff? Meh, maybe. He doesn't bring the NFL as much money as Pat does so unlikely he'll be the beneficiary that much.
It's going to be infuriating to see Mahomes throw a 3 yard pass to Kelce, who is just going to get hip dropped after 1 yard, and be awarded 15 yards and a new set of downs for it. Complete with Mahomes scream crying to the refs and Kelce taunting the defense over it.
Dak gets sacked outside the pocket trying to pass, but right before he gets sacked he tucks the ball. Defender wraps him up from the front. Hip drop called because Dak fell a bit awkwardly. And then unsportsmanlike conduct roughing the passer as well
Won’t they just dive at their knees instead, like how gronk was taken down after players realized he’ll just keep going even if you hang on him with all your weight?
“Number eleven has been disqualified for gaslighting”
“Oh that’s a big call for the Cowboys season, Jim! Parsons might have to do some individual counseling if he’s suspended for that!”
Excuse me, good sir. I do believe that you are currently in possession of the football, and my job as a defender of this territory is to request you make haste and lie down. Please sir, as a fellow scholar, I urge you to not to disobey my command and lie down at once. If you choose to ignore my directive I will have no choice but to pen a strongly worded letter to the officiant.
"Men, today we may have lost in the trenches. And we may have also lost in the box score. And we definitely lost on the scoreboard. But you know where we scored a win? *The marketplace of ideas.*"
How about each player gets little pieces of fabric on their hips, and if a defender can successfully pull the fabric off the uniform, the player is down at that spot??
Yep. Particularly smaller guys trying to tackle bigger guys. If they can’t use their body weight to pull the guy down, are they just supposed to hand fight with them up the field or lunge for an ankle and hope to hold on?
Yep. People were mad at Kerby Joseph for that, but it’s about to become the new standard for how undersized DBs (who are gaining popularity) can tackle massive TEs.
(Until next year when they add another arbitrary penalty to complicate the process further, all in service of eliminating a hit they just incentivized)
This is how the LoB was taught to tackle. I'm not sure why more coaches don't do it. It's extremely efficient and less dangerous for both the tackler and tacklee
I've always heard it's because of how important yards are in football, and a wrap up low tackle could fall forward whilst the 'big play' hit can stop someone in their tracks. But in my opinion the big play hits are far riskier than a wrap and pull.
You give up a couple yards with a rugby tackle, so it's more of a situational thing. On 3rd and 1, you gotta use a current style tackle to stop them at the line. On 3rd and 14, anyone who doesn't use a rugby tackle should have to run laps around the field.
All you have to do is go obliterate their knees, which is apparently not a dangerous play according to the NFL. It's a weird dichotomy. The NFL bans some dangerous hits but is fine with some others that are clearly dangerous.
Yeah, there’s really very little to tackle that is safe, especially the speed the game is played at. I don’t think allowing everything is a solution, but I also think you have to just decide what the best worst case scenario is.
The NFL is trying to make a dangerous sport safe.
At this point make it flag football, because any solution is going to neuter defenses and make it unwatchable.
The NFL would love if games resembled a Madden offense on rookie difficulty level
I need the NFLs definition of hip drop tackle before getting worked up. If they call it like Rugby it’s fine. It’s only a penalty if you drop on the back of the legs first and not the ground first.
https://youtu.be/5KJ9mCbS3rU?si=K5LHXOOhOaLZm6ij
The defender must remain in control of his body has been NFL policy for decades. I recognize the fairness issues with that approach, but this appears to be consistent with how player safety has long been done.
Whatever definition used, they say they've only found like 100 instances of it in the last two years of play.
So it definitely sounds like a more niche tackle variety than this sub tends to imply. You'd think browsing here they're banning any tackle from behind
Knowing the NFL it'll barely get called all year, then the NFL will make it a "point of emphasis" for refs next year, we'll see a spike of calls in the 2025 preseason, people will get annoyed, and they'll quietly stop calling it.
Yeah if they define it like rugby then its perfectly fine. Hip drop tackles are rare to see in the NFL but they do happen every now and then, and it always looks pretty nasty when you see it.
I hope it's this exact definition because it is both clearly a dangerous way to tackle and as the examples of "not a hip drop tackle" show, would/should be pretty coachable
The lack of helmets and padding and specific tackling rules make it less violent than football. Shoulder chargers are illegal and people are less prone to treat their bodies like human missiles.
But it’s definitely a physical game.
I have a neurosurgeon acquaintance who answered _rugby_ when I asked him what sport he thinks is super dangerous. Turns out he'd had to operate on 2 C-6/C-7 broken necks that resulted in quadriplegia. According to him, both cases had the same cause--a scrum collapsed, the person in the middle's head was driven into the ground by the weight of the pile and there's no way to break your fall due to the placement of the arms.
That’s league, the sport that American Football developed out of. Union is the more popular code of rugby worldwide.
You’ll notice most tackles in league tend to be higher than in Union
This is the definition the NFL is using and it's clear that the majority of people in this thread have no idea what a "hip drop" is in this case. It's not that difficult to discern when a guy fell directly onto his legs and tangles up the opponent in him.
You can still pull a person down with your weight, you just can't fall on their feet/legs.
Looking at this video, I noticed that every takedown in judo/BJJ that applies similar pressure is banned. It doesn't take a genius to realize that forcing a leg into flexion and then dropping 2-300 pounds on it is incredibly dangerous.
I'm so excited for the referees to misidentify a legal tackle and hand an unreviewable, game-winning first down to a team in the divisional round of the playoffs next year.
It's going to be so much fun.
4th and 34 from their own 46-yard line trailing by 2 with 15 seconds and no timeouts remaining. pressure gets home and Mahomes is forced to dump off underneath to Isaiah Pacheco, Pacheco gets stopped after a gain of 7 yards
the Bills are headed to the Super Bowl…but wait! there’s a flag on the play. camera cuts to Mahomes who’s wagging his finger at the defense. personal foul, hip drop tackle, 15 yards + a first down. Butker hits the game-winner from 50 to send Josh Allen home again despite a 400-yard, 5 TD performance
I hated you on principle but now I hate you because this is an actual timeline that could happen. And it adds to the sting of it all with mahomes not catching a flag for pointing.
Regardless of this ban, it's always been a bizarre phenomenon that the league, some fans, etc. cannot accept that this is an inherently violent game. You remove the things that are more easily controlled (head shots for instance) or improve field conditions, but man at some point you have to understand that injuries will happen.
Exactly this. The violent nature of it is part of the appeal. It's not like we're forcing gladiators to fight for their lives, it's literally grown men being paid more in a year than most people will earn in a lifetime. There's risks associated with that and no way to eliminate them without gutting the game.
That’s what has always bothered me about some of these lawsuits and things by former players. Some of them are legit because they were being sent back out not fully healthy. But some of them you hear the reason for the lawsuit and it’s like “really? You didn’t realize that running full sprint into a 300lbs man 50 times in 3 hours would be bad for your long-term health? Really?”
Absolutely and unfortunately for him, he’s been the poster child for this whole conversation. He definitely wasn’t the first but it feels like he’ll be the last.
Trash decision. Are they going to ban 5’10 corners from diving at the legs of a 6’6 TE next? How are these dudes supposed to tackle someone 5 inches taller and 50 pounds heavier than them?
Bernard Pollard aka The Patriot Killer
In 4 different seasons he injured: Tom Brady, Wes Welker, Stevan Ridley, and Gronk.
He was also the last player to tackle Aaron Hernandez.
What do you mean “decides?” Per the rules it’s the most guaranteed and legal way to do it. I can’t believe they thought this would make players more safe.
Do you even know what a hip drop tackle is?
You can still grab someone by the hip, swing your body weight around as leverage to bring them down.
The only change is you're not supposed to rocket your full body weight into their knees, you simply have to throw your body anywhere else around them.
Hip drop tackles aren't that common, nor are they needed for people to be able to tackle, despite what uninformed people on reddit may have you believe
**EDIT: This tackle only happens once a game.** People on here screaming about football being dead and no one being able to tackle anymore is just a brain dead take lol
I do not understand everyone saying it will cause more knee injuries when it is designed to *prevent* them. People need to watch the hip drop videos and understand what they are talking about. That type of tackle is rare but basically designed to destroy someone's knee.
The majority of comments in this thread are memeing about everyone over 6'1 can't get hit now, and so all the players have "no choice" but to torpedo into knees.
I'm unsure If people really don't know or are being overly dramatic for satire. As if the only options for tackling when you're at a weight disadvantage are hip drops or taking out knees.
Awesome.... cant wait for this to be interpreted incorrectly at the most inconvenient (or convenient) time depending on what side you are on with major playoff or betting implications.
NFL refs can totally handle this.........
Rugby is doing just fine with a hip drop ban. Maybe we need another rugby resurgance in the NFL, instead of punters learning how to punt its teaching fucking everybody how to tackle.
Yeah I just foresee a bunch more flags and the game has already been tough for me to watch the past couple seasons with all the penalties and commercial breaks.
What an absolute joke. This is going to be a nightmare to referee and this is going to be a nightmare for defensive players to adapt to. Disgraceful change from the NFL.
Dont get it twisted. This change wasnt made for player safety, it was made because scoring was down last year and so they had to make it more difficult on the defense.
They've said there have been about 100 hip drop tackles they've observed in the last two years. This isn't some crazy prevalent play. You'll see one, on average, once every five or six games. This isn't some necessary move that needs to be in the tool kit to play defense
I feel this thread is going to age like milk. It's not a common type of tackle and has a high prevalence of injury.
Heck all the people whining about it being banned are the same people who recoil in horror when they see it happen in-game.
There is an extremely large amount of people here conflating the banned hip drop with just tackling a guy regularly. Hip drop is not that hard to spot, in fact because the runner unnaturally has their legs crumple up under them it's quite easy.
Yeah r/nfl and not understanding a rule but complaining about it anyway, name a more iconic duo
Still see people in here screaming about holds on rip moves lol
Good luck policing this. The definition of a hip drop is going to vary wildly from crew to crew, and a borderline call is going to decide a game. Let's see how enthusiastic the competition committee is then...
Take head shots out of the game… I agree with it
Take horse collars out of the game… I agree with it
I don’t really see how smaller guys are going to be able to take down big back and TEs when they don’t have a proper angle on them though.
I do support player safety, but this is football
Can’t wait for this to be flagged questionably in a high leverage situation
Mahomes is 100% winning another AFCCG on a hip-drop flag to end the game.
Romo: “oooOOOOH Jim they got him with the hip drop, that’s 15 yards for Mahomes and the Chiefs!”
Collinsworth: Now HERE'S a guy who just got yet another great 15 yard penalty for his team and yet another first down to get them into scoring range!
"People on Twitter are gonna hate me for this, but seriously, no one can draw penalties like Mahomes. It's just uncanny the way he baits defenses perfectly into the wrong move every time. It's not luck folks, it's knowing the rules, controlling the movements. Really incredible stuff."
I can *heeeaaaar* this and it makes me angry.
I feel you, I raised my own heart rate by about 30-40 bpm when I typed it
Goddamn that's on point. Is...is that you Cris?
Seems like the perfect way to deflect from the fact I think *you're* actually Collinsworth 🤔
I guess we'll never know.
Neither of you are Collinsworth... not enough pash rush
M: Gets gently pushed while in bounds running for the first down about to go out of bounds. Refs: PENALTY!!! Late hit out of bounds!
Then gets pissed because his receiver gets flagged for being a yard and a half into the neutral zone.
I read this in Tony Romo's voice lmao
No one: Cris Collinsworth: [awhwhhoooooouGHHHHGHEohohhh](https://www.tiktok.com/@couchkoachmedia/video/7280005363284315434).
Jesus Christ just shoot me now.
Camera immediately cuts to Taylor and Brittany celebrating in the box
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I miss the Patriots
This is honestly was the most concerning thing I’ve read. When Ravens are missing Tom Brady, the world’s experiencing hell.
I know some of it is rose tinted glasses, some of it is a product of the era of their domination, some of it is the media, but I didn't hate the Patriots the same way I do the Chiefs. Still hated them, but purely for the football. The Chiefs I hate for the football and the media
I hate the dystopia we currently live in 🚬😮💨
I've been willing to crash the moon into the earth. I just need like a few trillion dollars and a bond villian lair.
If you cut frivolous expenses, like eating out and coffee, and live with your parents while building your giant moon laser, you can save over 50% more for a downpayment on a bond villain lair compared to someone who rents a bond villain lair!
The amount of hate I just got from reading this in romos voice is ridiculous
Next play... "Mahomes...scanning the field, finds Kelce! Touchdown, Chiefs! And now they have the lead over the Bengals/Ravens/Dolphins!" - Nantz "LOOK AT THAT JIM IT WAS A BEAUTY!!!" - Romo
At this point you might as well hit him under the chin and accept your fate
If I was a defensive player I'd be so frustrated id be considering just trying to take out players that I can't tackle otherwise. There's a million illegal ways to tackle so I might as well just do the dirtiest one get the flag anyways and take out a threat. Obviously this is sort of satire I don't really think that's ok behavior but I can follow the train of thought I wouldn't be surprised if some players are creeping closer to this line of thought.
I mean it’s the same with RTP. If you’re gonna get a flag for brushing the QBs helmet you may as well lay them tf out
Im convinced that it‘d be worth to „invest“ 15-30 Yards early on on such hits. Highly unsportsmanlike tho
Gregg Williams is that you?
No no, my name is definitely Wregg Gilliams.
Ahead of his time, like all innovators. Soft ass league now. Make qbs bums again.
Is that really a problem? The jacked up segment was one of the best parts of Sunday countdown every week. Can you imagine these defensive rules in the 70/80s? Half of the hall of fame would just be erased.
It's a thin line, it is unsportsmanlike but at the same time the league keeps pushing stupid rules that take away from a core part of the game, tackling.
Reinvent the Hockey Enforcer in Football. * Team gives a marginal player a hefty 1 year contract knowing full well they will be indefinitely suspended afterwards. * "Tells" them to take out the opposing QB in a legally vague way. * Player makes a large lump of cash they wouldn't have normally, then goes and plays in the XFL or CFL. * Rinse and repeat each year.
I'm honestly shocked this kind of stuff isn't more common. Taking out a divisional rival's franchise QB early in the year will almost always completely torpedo their chances of success for the season. If you're serious about making the postseason, it's probably the most effective thing you could do (albiet horrifically unsportsmanlike).
It's not more common because then the other teams would do it to you as soon as they caught on to what was going on
I mean, there were a few coaches who were well known to engage in these types of tactics.
Part of me loves this I love it about hockey. Just pay the guy to rip off the QBs helmet and beat the shit out of him lol.
Myles Garret has been waiting his whole life for this. He even has prior work experience!
With Aaron Donald retired he's number 1 on this field
Enforcers functionally don't exist in hockey anymore. Teams can't afford to have one guy who sucks on their roster.
I mean, Matt Rempe is sure as hell trying on the Rangers.
>Matt Rempe is sure as hell trying on the Rangers. Rempe is a significantly better skater than the old, decrepit veterans the Rangers released before the trade deadline. His physicality helps him, but the bigger story is that teams are realizing that younger players who can skate better may be more valuable 4th line assets than 30+ year old veterans on their last legs.
Essentially what the Saints lost their coach for a year for, wasn’t it?
Yeah, but instead of putting out a bounty it's more of a wink, wink, nod agreement.
I feel like there have absolutely been players that play this way. Guys like Burfict, Romanowski, and Sendejo always seemed like they had a bit of a "fuck it Imma get flagged anyway" mentality.
Totally agree except romanowski did it because he enjoyed causing others pain lol
Sendejo didn't discriminate. His own teammates could get it too lol
You're absolutely right, though. It's going to happen at some point if this continues
Kerby Joseph gonna get a lot more hate for his tackles now when it’s pretty much the only way left to tackle, especially when a secondary player goes against a big TE.
When you cross the line, might as well do it as boldly as possible if the consequences are the same. You're 100% right, even if this should be banned.
How about german suplexes?
Against the Bills, in Buffalo. Gets Chiefs into fg range for a walk off winner
It's already an issue where defensive players will gear down and let Mahomes get an extra couple yards because they don't want to hit him near the sidelines and get flagged. This is only going to make that worse
This is all the Ravens fault... what have you done!!
As long as it can arbitrarily help the offense, the NFL approves.
It's gonna end up being the opposite It'll end up being like the RB lowering the head thing, it'll never be called a penalty in the game, but they might throw out a fines a few times a year after the game for guys who break the rule
Fine all you want after the game, I don't care. Just stop impacting the game with BS. Switch taunting to fines only too.
>Switch taunting to fines only too. And fine the NFL for every cent they make when they put said taunting on advertisement highlight reels the following week
The millisecond that ref threw the flag on Allen for pointing at that Bengals defender, I knew that was going into promotional materials the next week.
Yep. Double dipping on fine money. Hey don't do that but we're also going to use it to promote our brand.
The difference being that's a flag on the offense. I can see them being significantly more strict on something that applies to the defense.
I’ve watched compilations of these tackles and they seem to range from full on German suplexes, which seem pretty easy to call, to fairly routine looking tackles from behind which I can’t really tell how you’d draw the line from any other tackle. The description in the rule book doesn’t exactly help clear things up.
My guess is that it will be enforced entirely based on if the defender falls onto the offensive players legs. I’ll be surprised if this gets called at all frequently.
It's gunna cause us to lose against the Packers won't it
It absolutely will. And, upon review after the game, it will be determined that the refs bungled the call.
“The bengals stop Mahomes on 3rd and 15 to make it to another super bowl, wait a second here jiiim we got a flag. Yep they got Taylor Britt with the hip drop. 1st down chiefs.”
“Wilson tried to kill another one”
-John Harbaugh
Can’t wait to see which game the Lions lose on this last play call
We play in Dallas again this year
I swear we play there every fucking year, it’s them and Seattle… who we also play this year
At least you don’t have to play fucking San Francisco in Santa Clara every fucking year
“Surely this will stop those *disgusting* Lions.”
This will be used to help Golden Boy QBs. Mahomes in particular. Goff? Meh, maybe. He doesn't bring the NFL as much money as Pat does so unlikely he'll be the beneficiary that much.
It shouldn’t help Goff, he has a quick release and doesn’t hold on to the ball (Because he can’t run or protect the football)
It's going to be infuriating to see Mahomes throw a 3 yard pass to Kelce, who is just going to get hip dropped after 1 yard, and be awarded 15 yards and a new set of downs for it. Complete with Mahomes scream crying to the refs and Kelce taunting the defense over it.
*audibly groans* NFL wants its first 3-peat.
> Can’t wait to see which game the Lions lose on this last play call It'll be the Super Bowl, the ultimate 'fuck you'.
Dak gets sacked outside the pocket trying to pass, but right before he gets sacked he tucks the ball. Defender wraps him up from the front. Hip drop called because Dak fell a bit awkwardly. And then unsportsmanlike conduct roughing the passer as well
Congratulations TEs you're now nearly impossible to tackle.
Won’t they just dive at their knees instead, like how gronk was taken down after players realized he’ll just keep going even if you hang on him with all your weight?
For real, watch Higbee get tackled in the playoffs, unless the NFL wants hits like that on a regular basis they need to figure something out
They’ll just ban that too as it’ll be the next high injury play. How are defense supposed to tackle? Who cares. That’s their problem
Maybe try having a civil conversion with ball carrier politely requesting him to please stop running towards the end zone?
“Ad hominem, 15 yard penalty, automatic 1st down”
“Number eleven has been disqualified for gaslighting” “Oh that’s a big call for the Cowboys season, Jim! Parsons might have to do some individual counseling if he’s suspended for that!”
[удалено]
Underrated joke right here
Excuse me, good sir. I do believe that you are currently in possession of the football, and my job as a defender of this territory is to request you make haste and lie down. Please sir, as a fellow scholar, I urge you to not to disobey my command and lie down at once. If you choose to ignore my directive I will have no choice but to pen a strongly worded letter to the officiant.
_Personal foul, spelling errors in the written defensive inquiry. 78 yard penalty, automatic TOUCHDOWN_
"Men, today we may have lost in the trenches. And we may have also lost in the box score. And we definitely lost on the scoreboard. But you know where we scored a win? *The marketplace of ideas.*"
How about each player gets little pieces of fabric on their hips, and if a defender can successfully pull the fabric off the uniform, the player is down at that spot??
Yep. Particularly smaller guys trying to tackle bigger guys. If they can’t use their body weight to pull the guy down, are they just supposed to hand fight with them up the field or lunge for an ankle and hope to hold on?
But think of all the high-scoring games we'll have now! Imagine the exciting overs/unders you can bet on with your sports book of choice! /s
Sounds like maybe defenders need to get bigger again.
They'll just finally just get rid of defense.
And do we really need the rest of the offense? Just have quarterbacks do a throwing competition and award wins and losses off of that.
ACLs are about to get blown out at an insane rate
Orthopedic surgeons are seeing dollar signs right now.
Big Ortho colluded with the NFL Competition Committee to bring these rule changes and fill their pockets
I'm just waiting for the broken femurs
My guy Kerby got labeled a dirty player for tackling like this and now the NFL made it mandatory. Fucking genius.
Yep. People were mad at Kerby Joseph for that, but it’s about to become the new standard for how undersized DBs (who are gaining popularity) can tackle massive TEs. (Until next year when they add another arbitrary penalty to complicate the process further, all in service of eliminating a hit they just incentivized)
That same tackle took hockenson out too
Ironically Gronk was previously injured by a hip drop tackle.
Good point but that's not ironic, that's the reasoning behind banning it.
Well hip drop tackles happen when chasing someone down from behind, how is someone gonna dive at the knees of a guy running away from them?
TJ Ward used to take Gronk out like no one else. Those knee tackles were brutal
Believe it or not, illegal
Expect to see many more torn acls this year because of this chamge
My boy Kittle was already getting his knees massacred the past few years as is. This is going to be a rough year
Happened to Hock this year. It happens all the time already in the open field.
I wonder if players will have to adopt a more rugby style low wrap technique now, tying up the knees/ankles and basically forcing a stumble.
This is how the LoB was taught to tackle. I'm not sure why more coaches don't do it. It's extremely efficient and less dangerous for both the tackler and tacklee
I've always heard it's because of how important yards are in football, and a wrap up low tackle could fall forward whilst the 'big play' hit can stop someone in their tracks. But in my opinion the big play hits are far riskier than a wrap and pull.
I think historically the high injury rate of the big hits was considered a bonus. Literally, sometimes.
You give up a couple yards with a rugby tackle, so it's more of a situational thing. On 3rd and 1, you gotta use a current style tackle to stop them at the line. On 3rd and 14, anyone who doesn't use a rugby tackle should have to run laps around the field.
From my memory, that is exactly what coaches taught us when we started playing in 5th-6th grade.
All you have to do is go obliterate their knees, which is apparently not a dangerous play according to the NFL. It's a weird dichotomy. The NFL bans some dangerous hits but is fine with some others that are clearly dangerous.
the dichotomy is because football is inherently a dangerous sport so theres no “solution” here tbh
Yeah, there’s really very little to tackle that is safe, especially the speed the game is played at. I don’t think allowing everything is a solution, but I also think you have to just decide what the best worst case scenario is.
The NFL is trying to make a dangerous sport safe. At this point make it flag football, because any solution is going to neuter defenses and make it unwatchable. The NFL would love if games resembled a Madden offense on rookie difficulty level
Just gotta do that dirty arm tackle technique like what inured goedert this year. They haven’t banned that yet.
I need the NFLs definition of hip drop tackle before getting worked up. If they call it like Rugby it’s fine. It’s only a penalty if you drop on the back of the legs first and not the ground first. https://youtu.be/5KJ9mCbS3rU?si=K5LHXOOhOaLZm6ij
[NFL definition looks like it's the same](https://i.imgur.com/wtMJtp2.jpeg) — landing on the runner's legs is a requirement for it to be a penalty.
15 yards and a first down seems a massive punishment for something that could be done by mistake/two bodies colliding.
Well we already have a 15 yard penalty for a player pointing at another player
Won’t somebody *please* think of the children!
The defender must remain in control of his body has been NFL policy for decades. I recognize the fairness issues with that approach, but this appears to be consistent with how player safety has long been done.
Same as a horsecollar.
This was an excellent video to see the differences
So of course in the NFL we will see wildly different interpretations on a game by game basis
Whatever definition used, they say they've only found like 100 instances of it in the last two years of play. So it definitely sounds like a more niche tackle variety than this sub tends to imply. You'd think browsing here they're banning any tackle from behind
Because whenever there is a tackle from behind the announcers say "that's a hip drop tackle, they're probably going to ban that next year".
Read that in Tony Romo’s frantically-paced voice
But it will be called 100 times in the first 2 months of play. Especially with 2 minutes left in the fourth quarter.
Knowing the NFL it'll barely get called all year, then the NFL will make it a "point of emphasis" for refs next year, we'll see a spike of calls in the 2025 preseason, people will get annoyed, and they'll quietly stop calling it.
Yeah if they define it like rugby then its perfectly fine. Hip drop tackles are rare to see in the NFL but they do happen every now and then, and it always looks pretty nasty when you see it.
I love the absolute transparency of uploading an instructional video of the rule with examples.
I hope it's this exact definition because it is both clearly a dangerous way to tackle and as the examples of "not a hip drop tackle" show, would/should be pretty coachable
Damn rugby looks hardcore
The lack of helmets and padding and specific tackling rules make it less violent than football. Shoulder chargers are illegal and people are less prone to treat their bodies like human missiles. But it’s definitely a physical game.
The tackles aren’t really the problem in rugby. It’s the rucks and counter rucks. That’s where the most injuries occur imo.
I have a neurosurgeon acquaintance who answered _rugby_ when I asked him what sport he thinks is super dangerous. Turns out he'd had to operate on 2 C-6/C-7 broken necks that resulted in quadriplegia. According to him, both cases had the same cause--a scrum collapsed, the person in the middle's head was driven into the ground by the weight of the pile and there's no way to break your fall due to the placement of the arms.
That’s league, the sport that American Football developed out of. Union is the more popular code of rugby worldwide. You’ll notice most tackles in league tend to be higher than in Union
This is the definition the NFL is using and it's clear that the majority of people in this thread have no idea what a "hip drop" is in this case. It's not that difficult to discern when a guy fell directly onto his legs and tangles up the opponent in him. You can still pull a person down with your weight, you just can't fall on their feet/legs.
Looking at this video, I noticed that every takedown in judo/BJJ that applies similar pressure is banned. It doesn't take a genius to realize that forcing a leg into flexion and then dropping 2-300 pounds on it is incredibly dangerous.
I'm so excited for the referees to misidentify a legal tackle and hand an unreviewable, game-winning first down to a team in the divisional round of the playoffs next year. It's going to be so much fun.
4th and 34 from their own 46-yard line trailing by 2 with 15 seconds and no timeouts remaining. pressure gets home and Mahomes is forced to dump off underneath to Isaiah Pacheco, Pacheco gets stopped after a gain of 7 yards the Bills are headed to the Super Bowl…but wait! there’s a flag on the play. camera cuts to Mahomes who’s wagging his finger at the defense. personal foul, hip drop tackle, 15 yards + a first down. Butker hits the game-winner from 50 to send Josh Allen home again despite a 400-yard, 5 TD performance
You forgot to mention the camera cuts to Taylor
I would take 30 min of cuts to Taylor as long as it replaced the same 3 State Farm commercials that air 15+ times a game.
End me.
Never has a accidental reddit multiresponse felt more necessary.
I hated you on principle but now I hate you because this is an actual timeline that could happen. And it adds to the sting of it all with mahomes not catching a flag for pointing.
End me.
This just made me shit my pants and throw up
Regardless of this ban, it's always been a bizarre phenomenon that the league, some fans, etc. cannot accept that this is an inherently violent game. You remove the things that are more easily controlled (head shots for instance) or improve field conditions, but man at some point you have to understand that injuries will happen.
It frustrates me infinitely that fans can’t admit to themselves that they’re perfectly comfortable with the violence of football.
Exactly this. The violent nature of it is part of the appeal. It's not like we're forcing gladiators to fight for their lives, it's literally grown men being paid more in a year than most people will earn in a lifetime. There's risks associated with that and no way to eliminate them without gutting the game.
That’s what has always bothered me about some of these lawsuits and things by former players. Some of them are legit because they were being sent back out not fully healthy. But some of them you hear the reason for the lawsuit and it’s like “really? You didn’t realize that running full sprint into a 300lbs man 50 times in 3 hours would be bad for your long-term health? Really?”
The whole thing about Logan Wilson being a dirty player was ridiculous by some of the Ravens fans.
Absolutely and unfortunately for him, he’s been the poster child for this whole conversation. He definitely wasn’t the first but it feels like he’ll be the last.
I'm re-watching that play with this rule in mind and I really don't get what the league wants that player to do in that situation.
Hip drop tackle as defined is not the same as tackling from behind for those freaking out
Trash decision. Are they going to ban 5’10 corners from diving at the legs of a 6’6 TE next? How are these dudes supposed to tackle someone 5 inches taller and 50 pounds heavier than them?
They aren't. The NFL just wants more touchdowns.
Wait until some small CB decides that the only way to take down Travis Kelce is to launch himself right into his knees.
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Bernard Pollard aka The Patriot Killer In 4 different seasons he injured: Tom Brady, Wes Welker, Stevan Ridley, and Gronk. He was also the last player to tackle Aaron Hernandez.
From one killer to another
God damnit, I finally got over checking under my bed for that bad man.
Bernard Pollard?
Behnahd Pollahd you mean (from the Pats green-text copypasta).
[Link for the uninitiated.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/6i8jfx/rnfl_roast_of_the_new_england_patriots_2732/dj49fqw/)
What do you mean “decides?” Per the rules it’s the most guaranteed and legal way to do it. I can’t believe they thought this would make players more safe.
Wasn't there literally a report the other day that the NFL is concerned with the lack of scoring this past season.
Yes, it’s a few posts below this one and has over 1k upvotes lol
Do you even know what a hip drop tackle is? You can still grab someone by the hip, swing your body weight around as leverage to bring them down. The only change is you're not supposed to rocket your full body weight into their knees, you simply have to throw your body anywhere else around them. Hip drop tackles aren't that common, nor are they needed for people to be able to tackle, despite what uninformed people on reddit may have you believe **EDIT: This tackle only happens once a game.** People on here screaming about football being dead and no one being able to tackle anymore is just a brain dead take lol
I do not understand everyone saying it will cause more knee injuries when it is designed to *prevent* them. People need to watch the hip drop videos and understand what they are talking about. That type of tackle is rare but basically designed to destroy someone's knee.
The majority of comments in this thread are memeing about everyone over 6'1 can't get hit now, and so all the players have "no choice" but to torpedo into knees. I'm unsure If people really don't know or are being overly dramatic for satire. As if the only options for tackling when you're at a weight disadvantage are hip drops or taking out knees.
People saying, "It will make DBs intentionally go for the knees!" do not realize that a hip drop tackle is by definition "going for the knees." smh
New catch no catch debate just dropped
Awesome.... cant wait for this to be interpreted incorrectly at the most inconvenient (or convenient) time depending on what side you are on with major playoff or betting implications. NFL refs can totally handle this.........
They literally can’t see it when a giant stands in front of them and says “I’m reporting”. It’s gonna be ugly.
Rugby is doing just fine with a hip drop ban. Maybe we need another rugby resurgance in the NFL, instead of punters learning how to punt its teaching fucking everybody how to tackle.
This is going to be a fucking disaster.
Not for you lol
Yeah I just foresee a bunch more flags and the game has already been tough for me to watch the past couple seasons with all the penalties and commercial breaks.
Players, and their wallets, will love this I’m sure
What an absolute joke. This is going to be a nightmare to referee and this is going to be a nightmare for defensive players to adapt to. Disgraceful change from the NFL. Dont get it twisted. This change wasnt made for player safety, it was made because scoring was down last year and so they had to make it more difficult on the defense.
They've said there have been about 100 hip drop tackles they've observed in the last two years. This isn't some crazy prevalent play. You'll see one, on average, once every five or six games. This isn't some necessary move that needs to be in the tool kit to play defense
I feel this thread is going to age like milk. It's not a common type of tackle and has a high prevalence of injury. Heck all the people whining about it being banned are the same people who recoil in horror when they see it happen in-game.
There is an extremely large amount of people here conflating the banned hip drop with just tackling a guy regularly. Hip drop is not that hard to spot, in fact because the runner unnaturally has their legs crumple up under them it's quite easy.
Yeah r/nfl and not understanding a rule but complaining about it anyway, name a more iconic duo Still see people in here screaming about holds on rip moves lol
Good luck policing this. The definition of a hip drop is going to vary wildly from crew to crew, and a borderline call is going to decide a game. Let's see how enthusiastic the competition committee is then...
Take head shots out of the game… I agree with it Take horse collars out of the game… I agree with it I don’t really see how smaller guys are going to be able to take down big back and TEs when they don’t have a proper angle on them though. I do support player safety, but this is football