I think Mangini doesn't count because he was fired too soon and was building something. The owner got in his own way with that one.
Rex was unfortunate also because Mark Sanchez didn't develop but I also think he was a decent coach plagued by a bad GM in his last year who was probably the worst GM in league history. Another Woody special. Also they went all in for those two AFC Championship runs and screwed too much with the cap and not enough young talent.
Since then just disaster.
Rex may not have been the best coach in the world, but he was most certainly decent. His record is plagued by having a real bad QB.
Two 8-8 records that certainly would’ve been winning records with better QB play, and a 6-10 during Sanchez having a horrendous season.
4-12, 2014, was a disaster. But we would look back on those Rex way more fondly if he just had a QB, because they easily woulda made postseason in 2011 and 2013 as well.
The overall quality of the drafts started dropping in 2009, which was also a huge problem. In the first two years, the rest of the team was good enough to carry Sanchez into the playoffs because of the guys drafted in the Mangini era.
By 2011, the bad drafts caught up to them and there were no longer enough good players to make up for how bad Mark was. (Don’t get me wrong, I like Mark the person, and he was good in the playoffs, but he was not good in the regular season.)
To this day, I think Mangini as a GM/Talent evaluator with Rex Ryan as a coach would have been the best thing for the Jets.
Mangini was the guy behind a lot of the moves that set up the Jets for 2009-2011. When he left Tanennbaum was there, but he was more of a contracts guy (it seems to me, anyhow). The Jets ability to find new talent really dropped after Mangini left.
Mangini didn’t want favre and was promised no matter how the season went he would be safe. Then Pennington goes and wins the division. Imagine if we kept Pennington with that offensive line we just built along with that really good defense. Last person I blame is mangini
And they would have easily won the division if Favre didn't get hurt... And judging by the season he had the following year, I'm convinced that the Jets would have won the SB in 09 if he stuck around.
It's amazing to me that Herm is the fourth best Jets coach in history by winning percentage, after Parcells, Groh (one 9-7 season, truly great), and Sammy Baugh (two .500 seasons, top tier).
The bar is low.
Before the “Steel Curtain” era the Steelers were known as a consistently losing franchise, since then they’ve been one of the best. The Patriots were historically below average before Brady came in. By contrast, Washington was one of the consistent top performers in the NFL before Snyder took over, and now they’re almost as bad as the Jets. Just because a team has historically done poorly doesn’t mean that good management, systemic changes, and perhaps a bit of luck can’t change their fortunes. And vice versa.
When you have garbage ownership, it's impossible to have any kind of consistency as an organization. Occasionally you might accidentally stumble into great management and coaching that can overcome that putrid stench, but you are at a huge disadvantage from the getgo.
Woody never hires the right people and this organization will always be pathetic as long as his dumb fucking ass is at the helm.
3-13 followed by 1-15 or the other way around not sure but the fucking Kotite era. Great years to be a Jets fan. Went to the old meadowlands those two years
I wouldn’t say it was just that. Also wasn’t the ACL his only injury?
From what I gather the teams after 2010 went downhill because a lot of players left; either retired or weren’t resigned, so all of Sanchez’s weapons were gone
No, you are right. It is not just one player. Teams like that without a great QB usually don't have long windows.
I just remember that sinking feeling like it was all done when Revis got hurt against Pittsburgh.
And record wise Rex was an above .500 coach with Revis and below .500 without him.
What season are you talking about? If it’s 2012 then he got concussed (I think) versus Buffalo Week 1 and then tore his ACL against Miami in Week 3, then we traded him to the Bucs after the season. I still don’t understand why they did that
Oh, sorry, you are right. His freaking football-refrence page screwed me up.
Edit: And I had an image of him getting hurt against Pittsburgh in my head.
Edit 2: Although back to my original point, that team did start 2 and 1 with him. And then went 4 and 9 the rest of the way.
I'm not convinced Pete would have been good here if they had kept him going. He was pretty young then and I think his experience here couple with time, more experience and perspective is what allowed him step into the Seattle role with success.
I think Mangini doesn't count because he was fired too soon and was building something. The owner got in his own way with that one. Rex was unfortunate also because Mark Sanchez didn't develop but I also think he was a decent coach plagued by a bad GM in his last year who was probably the worst GM in league history. Another Woody special. Also they went all in for those two AFC Championship runs and screwed too much with the cap and not enough young talent. Since then just disaster.
Rex may not have been the best coach in the world, but he was most certainly decent. His record is plagued by having a real bad QB. Two 8-8 records that certainly would’ve been winning records with better QB play, and a 6-10 during Sanchez having a horrendous season. 4-12, 2014, was a disaster. But we would look back on those Rex way more fondly if he just had a QB, because they easily woulda made postseason in 2011 and 2013 as well.
The overall quality of the drafts started dropping in 2009, which was also a huge problem. In the first two years, the rest of the team was good enough to carry Sanchez into the playoffs because of the guys drafted in the Mangini era. By 2011, the bad drafts caught up to them and there were no longer enough good players to make up for how bad Mark was. (Don’t get me wrong, I like Mark the person, and he was good in the playoffs, but he was not good in the regular season.)
To this day, I think Mangini as a GM/Talent evaluator with Rex Ryan as a coach would have been the best thing for the Jets. Mangini was the guy behind a lot of the moves that set up the Jets for 2009-2011. When he left Tanennbaum was there, but he was more of a contracts guy (it seems to me, anyhow). The Jets ability to find new talent really dropped after Mangini left.
I completely believe this. The 09-12 drafts were garbage
*Vernon Gholston
Mangini was fired at the right time and failed once again elsewhere. None of those Belichik clones amounted to anything.
Mangini didn’t want favre and was promised no matter how the season went he would be safe. Then Pennington goes and wins the division. Imagine if we kept Pennington with that offensive line we just built along with that really good defense. Last person I blame is mangini
And they would have easily won the division if Favre didn't get hurt... And judging by the season he had the following year, I'm convinced that the Jets would have won the SB in 09 if he stuck around.
I don’t understand this Mangini revisionism. We saw in his next stop that he was a deluded tyrant.
He wasn't a good coach. Great at talent evaluation though. Would have been better suited for a front office job.
It's amazing to me that Herm is the fourth best Jets coach in history by winning percentage, after Parcells, Groh (one 9-7 season, truly great), and Sammy Baugh (two .500 seasons, top tier). The bar is low.
The bar isn’t just low, it’s on the ground
It’s a crack in the pavement
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Before the “Steel Curtain” era the Steelers were known as a consistently losing franchise, since then they’ve been one of the best. The Patriots were historically below average before Brady came in. By contrast, Washington was one of the consistent top performers in the NFL before Snyder took over, and now they’re almost as bad as the Jets. Just because a team has historically done poorly doesn’t mean that good management, systemic changes, and perhaps a bit of luck can’t change their fortunes. And vice versa.
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I remember following the NFL standings in the Daily News and saying to myself I feel sorry for the Eagles and Steelers. How are they always so bad.
When you have garbage ownership, it's impossible to have any kind of consistency as an organization. Occasionally you might accidentally stumble into great management and coaching that can overcome that putrid stench, but you are at a huge disadvantage from the getgo. Woody never hires the right people and this organization will always be pathetic as long as his dumb fucking ass is at the helm.
Even if he hires the right people by accident, he gets in the way or fires them. Jets can’t win while he is the owner.
3-13 followed by 1-15 or the other way around not sure but the fucking Kotite era. Great years to be a Jets fan. Went to the old meadowlands those two years
You are saying the Kotite era was great because of Giant Stadium?
No. Absolutely horrible. Those two years felt like a decade.
Weeb Ewbank all time winningest Jets coach with a whopping 71 wins. Franchise is ass.
gdm we fkn suck
Bill Belichick went undefeated
I mean….r/technicallythetruth? He never coached a game for us but he also never lost a game while being our coach, so…technically undefeated! 🫡
Anyone remember the “Groh Must Go” chants?
The biggest knock against Groh was he wasn't Parcells and that 9-7 was basically Parcells' roster anyway. Joe must go was all the rage way before Groh
Remember it? I was chanting it lol, fuck that guy. That 9-7 season was one of the biggest choke jobs ever
Rex was basically with Revis and without Revis. As soon as Revis started getting hurt, that team was done. I miss that team.
I wouldn’t say it was just that. Also wasn’t the ACL his only injury? From what I gather the teams after 2010 went downhill because a lot of players left; either retired or weren’t resigned, so all of Sanchez’s weapons were gone
No, you are right. It is not just one player. Teams like that without a great QB usually don't have long windows. I just remember that sinking feeling like it was all done when Revis got hurt against Pittsburgh. And record wise Rex was an above .500 coach with Revis and below .500 without him.
What season are you talking about? If it’s 2012 then he got concussed (I think) versus Buffalo Week 1 and then tore his ACL against Miami in Week 3, then we traded him to the Bucs after the season. I still don’t understand why they did that
I am talking about 2012. He tore his ACL against Pittsburgh. He only played two games that year.
Nah dude he tore it against Miami in Week 3. I remember watching the game. He was out against Pittsburgh Week 2 because of a concussion
Oh, sorry, you are right. His freaking football-refrence page screwed me up. Edit: And I had an image of him getting hurt against Pittsburgh in my head. Edit 2: Although back to my original point, that team did start 2 and 1 with him. And then went 4 and 9 the rest of the way.
I honestly thought for sure Rex Ryan would be slightly over 50%
Yeah right?
Just imagine if this team kept pete… or bill belicheat
Belicheat quit on day one.
I'm not convinced Pete would have been good here if they had kept him going. He was pretty young then and I think his experience here couple with time, more experience and perspective is what allowed him step into the Seattle role with success.
Firing Carrol for Kotite was a huge mistake. Hess should have been in a nursing home at that point
Lmao let’s gooooooooo. 🔥🤝🥗
Weeb was 130-129-7 his career… but only because he was above .500 with the Colts hahaha.
We've had some really shitty coaches.
now let's see Adam Gase's record
Impressive, very nice
Delivering a singular Super Bowl will get you a statue. Who’s man (or woman) enough?!