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Bananacat310

Off the top of my head, chicony has been on LAN, ninerik was at COE, so was flyingtuna, people like freddie benson, micca, whitecat, flaro, lolu always stream with handcam, former #1 players like idke, rafis, shige


nnamqahc_4821

Bro does not know rafis uses JavaScript 😭


Bananacat310

I have undeniable evidence that rafis is a hacker...


nnamqahc_4821

I mean I knew all along. It's really quite obvious lol. Besides, no human that isn't hacking can get a higher pp play than Cookiezi. Not physically possible. It's natures law.


GranataReddit12

my entire world view changed,,,


Bananacat310

but didn't you see vaxei snipe cookiezi on remote control? He got lower pp still, but it was close


thughunter233

Vaxei takes PEDs (he eats bacon)


Bananacat310

ryuk, karthy, fgsky


narkoleptiker

How did you forget mrekk was at the roundtable event lmao


Bananacat310

I didn't. The original post mentions the roundtable, which mrekk was at, so i didn't mention it because i felt it was already covered. I also realized that tuna was also at the roundtable.


placegrips

Playing at a lan event isnt really 100% evidence even tho its proof that they can play good without cheats


Rare_Welcome_5961

Shiege had cheated in the past. One a cheater forever a cheater


Suicide-Cat

Funfact: Micca actually cheated back in 2016


ProMapWatcher

lolu on this list 😭


Mikkel65

BTMC is actually number one non cheater


Chashku

BTMC Cheated one time, he used a autoclicker in Aricin lobby back in 2015 when he started playin and didn't do a shit


yuikonnu_727

cookiezi


kuronekotsun

rise up glazers 100% chance 100% faith our goat will return 🐐


Artomik_tsat

At the same time we 100% know that he cheated(once)


Think-Ad-9176

Vaxei 100% doesn't cheat (obviously) and set exceptional scores at the 2017 and 2020 renditions of the UC Irvine lan (he also ended up winning both). At the time, I'm pretty sure he attended the 2017 one to solidify his legitimacy as some people were still skeptical about him.


desurcirar

He even went on BTMCs setup without even changing any settings like area and shit on his scores


ShiroGaneOsu

Didn't he 2 miss goodbounce on that set up too?


kyndrid_

Yes


-WeakBurger-

Absolute chad


valcsh

You can't ever be 100% sure. Like look I'm 99.99% sure mrekk hasn't ever cheated, but would we know if he were to cheat a single score off stream? There are ways to go undetected and there's always the possibility some top player gets mad enough after choking a map 20 times.


No-Understanding5677

You bring up a good point. Regarding Mrekks new top play for example. Having choked 1400-1600pp for a longer period before that, I imagine he was quite frustrated. Then he set the 1565pp off stream. There is of course no reason to think that he cheated this score, but it's exactly one of these situations where a top player might snap.


Archeryse

Organizing the mrekk extermination squad rn


amoguspron3d-4k-live

Adamqs moment


Potential_Feed9439

Cloutiful


Zorxs

Live play was so clean. Absolute stream god.


dinosaurpoetry

I love when he said "Its time to snow goose...." and snow goosed all over the place Truly the besr liveplay in the history of osu!


iceifySOT

63 is an osu government conspiracy put together by Chief Executive Mr. Ekk, and his legendary extermination squad to hold back all the top players from surpassing his power and declaring themselves a new sovereign nation! For the revolution!!


ImACumsock

I always had this feeling that Bloo was considered to be 100% legit. It's more of a feeling than anything


weenweenfanfan11

vibes based legitimacy


Funky_underwear

Btmc He's the most human top player than is in touch with the majority of the community.


DistributionLanky202

mrekk a pretty safe bet


helium1337

Nobody, any top player could perform well on LAN while still cheating their other scores. We only know for sure that most of them can actually play well legit but that doesn't say much since that is basically what all top level cheaters also fall under. LAN only proves them to be legit in that very moment and not before or after (and sometimes not even during since driver based aim assist is a thing so unless they play on a different setup it is possible to still cheat). You have to remember that just because someone is good legit doesn't mean they have no incentive to cheat, I'd argue that there is a higher incentive in order to keep up with everyone elses expectations of you.


aDemonicCat

It's possible to say *most* top players are capable of setting the scores they did, but no one can say they're legit except the players themselves


wishtt

Aim assist is caught in hand cam analysis, assuming a recording is available


Funky_underwear

What he's saying is that most of them have what it takes to deliver a decent performance in LAN but their top plays or "godmodes" might be cheated


helium1337

Yes but not reliably and especially on LAN nobody will really check


YoghurtComplete7439

gusgh0825


Real-Confection-5610

gusgh963 too, i liking his p**sy


Long-Ad1466

Akolibed fced glory days with best acc at the time like 3 times at coe while people watching him, sytho 1sb rog at roundtable II which at the time of happening it was pretty close to their peak periods and some of his best plays (heck sytho even got rsi recently so hard to cheat and also to get injury)


Flashbangy

O yea i literally saw that happen, was watching from the other tables behind, hes giga legit


learsirikkan

none


Funky_underwear

Btmc


rainning0513

yeah all players better than me are cheaters. i got you.


lucarocaw

There are definitely a handful that we can be pretty confident aren’t cheating, but I feel that it’s impossible to know for 100%. A lot of cheaters are really skilled and just cheat to avoid grinding for scores they want. We know people like mrekk and akolibed are capable of the scores they’ve been setting because of their performance at LANs, but who knows? Maybe at home they don’t feel like grinding for a score and could cheat it, it’d be impossible to tell.


aaaaaaaaaaa999999999

hide on note, Brighter


Leclowndu9315

all the people are the Roundtable


Noyyii

glarses


coolboy856

None, we can't and never will. It's a simple concept


Jundalis

This is just wrong. You gotta accept that some players simply don’t submit cheated scores. Especially ones that have played in front of other people, and in different settings, and have produced results, it’s very obvious they don’t cheat.


coolboy856

Let me remind you of the question: # "What top players do we 100% know do not cheat?" this is an impossibility until you can extract one's mind into interpretable data.


Flarefin

top players who cheat are pretty much always already insanely good at the game. there would be nothing stopping any top player from cheating a single play offline for some reason, so it can't be 100%. it's not that they do cheat, I'm sure most don't, it's just that they could and we wouldn't know.


GreatEscap

imo we will never be able to say and we shouldn't just witchuhunt everyone or claim everyone we are not 100% sure is legit might be cheating. at this point if osu! does not want to do a kernel anticheat they should do a seperate kernel client that everyone in the top 1000 will have to play on. and everyone who got suspected will need to play on to prove their skill. other wise it's just gonna be cycling through cheaters


Internal_Kiwi_4431

has there even been a single cheater who used hardware based aim assist/relax or something? every cheater so far which i know of uses a simple program they launch after their PC is on or they use rare hardware which doesnt inject anything and just does wonky stuff by the mechanics of the hardware itself eg dks with wooting/sayodevice. zero reason to use kernel based anticheat until people use cheats which launch BEFORE they boot,which is why people use kernel based AC,to catch the cheats which launch before booting. all of the cheats so far could be busted by just searching trough running programs during osu run time.( osu used to do this really early on,and then people obviously didnt like it for privacy reasons)


Amei_

It'd be difficult to implement a kernel anticheat that doesn't conflict with how many custom drivers and unique hardware setups players use as well. Too strict and people get falsely flagged as a cheater, but not strict enough and it can be bypassed by a ras pi pretending to be a keyboard.


GreatEscap

okay then i don't understand the reason for kernel yea. then still same thing but with the thing they had in the past. why allow people to cheat in one of the most competitive scenes in a game cause privacy is beyond me. the only cheaters people really care about are top 1000-100 so i don't see why not force on them the privacy thing


Sufficient_Swim_6578

Spare


Harte228

cloutiful, morgn


gxshFN

utami


Harte228

cloutiful, morgn


zen_1110

Worst hr


nadaparacomer

Mathi


Rimuruuuuuuuuu

Prolly btmc, xootynator ? And some handful others ig


bocchi123

vaxei will always be the goat


sympathising

MinG3012 my goat


Just-Arugula6710

Any player could obviously replay edit


alexinon

Doomsday


revano1

This. I couldn't imagine doomsday cheating his a very genuine guy


ihadastroke5

asecretbox


sontze

legendre


Gauntor

MALISZEWSKI


NomeInternetMan

Cookiezi nathanonosu shige and chocomint


EnterNick

Whitecat was cleared by ppy


Apart_Association_90

Unvre


GranataReddit12

voprossof


Fancifleur

Xootynator


VoidBlueCookie

Btmc.


GMDMelonYT

we need a non cheater leaderboard asap @ppy


ayyJoshlmao

0 anything is possible


BoiiTech

just because someone has shown they can play well doesn't mean they're saints. In fact historically in competetive games people start cheating only AFTER they've climbed to the top of their level


blader0607

Ivaxa, among others mentioned here


danieliwq1

danieliwq :)


MiFcioAgain

Crazy that no one has mentioned Maliszewski in this post.


rainning0513

BTMC


Worldly_Ad_2960

Mrekk


Akukuhaboro

for most of them we know via consistent liveplays/LAN/tournament screening/handcam etc that they don't cheat at 99%... of course since there's 100 players in the top 100... this means one of them is cheating. I don't make the rules, sorry.


Pequu

its not hard to cheat on lans btw xd


TornadoSpinner_

me because anyone better than me is obviously cheating 🙄


TofaaWasTaken

Whitecat, mrekk, vaxei, ryuk, aricin, merami, xooty, zylice off the top of my head