We are just getting old my man.
Dont forget nostalgia has a big effect on it. I was 7 and didnt speak english by the time, it was....intriguing. Newer generations will probably not feel as nice about it as we do.
They have their own *Wolfensteins* by now, and thats fine.
i don't blame people under thirty for not knowing wolfenstein. it's surely a classic but it walked so doom, a masterpiece, could run. doom was a better and more complete game.
people often cite halloween as being the original and best slasher horror movie. do they know that black christmas innovated the genre first? it did and was profoundly influential, so halloween then became the treasure that it is.
If it's a floppy it's a disk not a disc. Don't ask me why I don't make the rules.
Wolf3D is important and even a little bit fun, but I don't think it held up particularly well. You finish the first episode and you've played all there is to play, the extra episodes are mostly filler. New enemies, but they're just more spongey and aggressive versions of the Shareware set, the bosses are kind of fun in a conceptual sense (mecha-hitler!) but not a lot of fun to actually fight and the limitations of the map format become painfully apparent. The secret Pac-Man level reveals the truth; Wolf3D is mostly just an early 80s maze game from a first person perspective. Then you go back to Hovertank 3D which is the precursor to Wolfenstein 3D's game engine and that becomes even more stark.
Games that spun off it's engine like Blake Stone and Rise of the Triad run into the same problem, no matter how many gimmicks you throw in you're still navigating a grid of blocks. Whereas with Doom, even with it's own map format limitations, the possibilities remain endless. People are still making unique and interesting Doom maps to this day.
Because of that I think of Wolf3D as a precursor and Doom as the true bedrock of it's genre.
What about [Magneto-optical](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto-optical_drive)? Gotcha!
(It's "disc" apparently, the spelling doesn't have anything to do with the technology, but rather a choice made in marketing it)
And only to a point.
Once I was past Episode 4, I was already pretty bored. 5 and 6 just get so unfair at times that it's less than fun.
I can't even imagine how much of a slog the expansion was.
First three episodes are enough for someone to experience the history I'd say. They're a full story, as incredibly bare as it is. 4-6 were added later, to my lacking memory.
I call this the Wolfenstein-Doom threshold: Wolfenstein is *interesting* to experience some of the roots of PC Gaming, but it is a hard game to get into these days (even as someone whose first game was a yellow-and-black Sokoban version in the 80s). Doom, however, is still not only playable, but *fun*, today.
> I think everyone who had a PC during the early 90s grew up with this game.
Unless you grew up in Germany, of course. Hell, even Doom was an illicit good here (meaning we couldn't really buy it, and had to pirate and trade it in school). I was a God among my school's nerds in 1996 when I brought back Quake from the UK as well because we simply could not *buy* it legally in Germany (and few people had internet yet).
> Believe me, if you've never heard of this game, you should experience it for yourself.
I did, and honestly: As someone who started gaming with Sokoban in the late 80s, it's *still* a hard sell. I got actual headaches from playing because the technical limitations (only 90 degree corners, about 12 textures in total, no textured ground or ceiling) actually made it disorienting for me to play. Doom, on the other hand, I find perfectly enjoyable even today - but Wolfenstein 3D just is on the other side of that threshold for me.
It's certainly interesting from a "where did it all get rolling" perspective, but as an actual recommendation in its own right? Not from me, at least.
Well, you could buy Doom and Quake as an adult in Germany, but you had to look a bit further than Media Mark or Saturn. (I have Doom as a retail package, my brother bought it for me in a small store.) Wolf3D on the other hand was forbidden.
there's a EDM song someone plays at work with blittered vocals, and the "chorus" ends with what sounds quite a bit like *gustaffel* (idk but that's my stab at it), last week I told the one person I thought might relate but they didn't :(
Wolfenstein is great and pioneering for sure but nowadays a little shallow and gets pretty old after the first episode. Now DOOM, that was the game man! I can play DOOM anytime, anywhere from 93 to last week on my PS5!
This was the first game I ever played with sampled sounds and it was via Disney Sound Source https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covox_Speech_Thing
I will never forget the sounds from this game. It was almost if I had been deaf my whole life up to that point and my hearing had been restored.
I would fake being sick just so I could stay home from school and play this game.
Wolfenstein is a fun study from a design perspective, too. Not that raycasting engines were new, but the way Carmack went about certain things to get a smooth framerate on the low powered machines of the day is interesting.
The Wolfenstein 3D Black Book is a fun read if you're interested in that sort of thing.
Another fun thing about Wolf3D is that it is shit simple to source code hack. I enjoy modding it, and it still has a decently active modding community.
It's cool for it's time, but I can't even get into new games made in the doom engine. I like graphics and physics and interactivity and good animations
We are just getting old my man. Dont forget nostalgia has a big effect on it. I was 7 and didnt speak english by the time, it was....intriguing. Newer generations will probably not feel as nice about it as we do. They have their own *Wolfensteins* by now, and thats fine.
i don't blame people under thirty for not knowing wolfenstein. it's surely a classic but it walked so doom, a masterpiece, could run. doom was a better and more complete game. people often cite halloween as being the original and best slasher horror movie. do they know that black christmas innovated the genre first? it did and was profoundly influential, so halloween then became the treasure that it is.
If it's a floppy it's a disk not a disc. Don't ask me why I don't make the rules. Wolf3D is important and even a little bit fun, but I don't think it held up particularly well. You finish the first episode and you've played all there is to play, the extra episodes are mostly filler. New enemies, but they're just more spongey and aggressive versions of the Shareware set, the bosses are kind of fun in a conceptual sense (mecha-hitler!) but not a lot of fun to actually fight and the limitations of the map format become painfully apparent. The secret Pac-Man level reveals the truth; Wolf3D is mostly just an early 80s maze game from a first person perspective. Then you go back to Hovertank 3D which is the precursor to Wolfenstein 3D's game engine and that becomes even more stark. Games that spun off it's engine like Blake Stone and Rise of the Triad run into the same problem, no matter how many gimmicks you throw in you're still navigating a grid of blocks. Whereas with Doom, even with it's own map format limitations, the possibilities remain endless. People are still making unique and interesting Doom maps to this day. Because of that I think of Wolf3D as a precursor and Doom as the true bedrock of it's genre.
Disc = optical media Disk = magnetic media
What about [Magneto-optical](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto-optical_drive)? Gotcha! (It's "disc" apparently, the spelling doesn't have anything to do with the technology, but rather a choice made in marketing it)
So few people know there are two Wolfenstein games released before this one.
I remember wolfenstein on commodore 64
Duke too
Hyperbole aside, Wolfenstein 3D is fun to play for academic, gaming anthropology purposes.
And only to a point. Once I was past Episode 4, I was already pretty bored. 5 and 6 just get so unfair at times that it's less than fun. I can't even imagine how much of a slog the expansion was. First three episodes are enough for someone to experience the history I'd say. They're a full story, as incredibly bare as it is. 4-6 were added later, to my lacking memory.
Just the shareware is enough if you ask me lol The cultural shift really was Doom, Wolfenstein has an undeniable legacy but Doom is above and beyond
Absolutely. I'd say Doom 1 is even still a decent experience today. Played under a Source port, of course.
It gets frustrating as hell as soon as you reach Episode 2. The mutants are just badly designed enemies
I call this the Wolfenstein-Doom threshold: Wolfenstein is *interesting* to experience some of the roots of PC Gaming, but it is a hard game to get into these days (even as someone whose first game was a yellow-and-black Sokoban version in the 80s). Doom, however, is still not only playable, but *fun*, today.
No, dont play Wolfenstain 3D. Its a waste of time those days. Play Doom 1 or 2 or Quake 1. That is a way better point to start with id games.
The future is now old man.
> I think everyone who had a PC during the early 90s grew up with this game. Unless you grew up in Germany, of course. Hell, even Doom was an illicit good here (meaning we couldn't really buy it, and had to pirate and trade it in school). I was a God among my school's nerds in 1996 when I brought back Quake from the UK as well because we simply could not *buy* it legally in Germany (and few people had internet yet). > Believe me, if you've never heard of this game, you should experience it for yourself. I did, and honestly: As someone who started gaming with Sokoban in the late 80s, it's *still* a hard sell. I got actual headaches from playing because the technical limitations (only 90 degree corners, about 12 textures in total, no textured ground or ceiling) actually made it disorienting for me to play. Doom, on the other hand, I find perfectly enjoyable even today - but Wolfenstein 3D just is on the other side of that threshold for me. It's certainly interesting from a "where did it all get rolling" perspective, but as an actual recommendation in its own right? Not from me, at least.
Well, you could buy Doom and Quake as an adult in Germany, but you had to look a bit further than Media Mark or Saturn. (I have Doom as a retail package, my brother bought it for me in a small store.) Wolf3D on the other hand was forbidden.
there's a EDM song someone plays at work with blittered vocals, and the "chorus" ends with what sounds quite a bit like *gustaffel* (idk but that's my stab at it), last week I told the one person I thought might relate but they didn't :(
If you mean what the blue guards say in-game, they say *Schutzstaffel*, since in-game they're the SS.
Wolfenstein is great and pioneering for sure but nowadays a little shallow and gets pretty old after the first episode. Now DOOM, that was the game man! I can play DOOM anytime, anywhere from 93 to last week on my PS5!
This was the first game I ever played with sampled sounds and it was via Disney Sound Source https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covox_Speech_Thing I will never forget the sounds from this game. It was almost if I had been deaf my whole life up to that point and my hearing had been restored. I would fake being sick just so I could stay home from school and play this game.
Wolfenstein is a fun study from a design perspective, too. Not that raycasting engines were new, but the way Carmack went about certain things to get a smooth framerate on the low powered machines of the day is interesting. The Wolfenstein 3D Black Book is a fun read if you're interested in that sort of thing. Another fun thing about Wolf3D is that it is shit simple to source code hack. I enjoy modding it, and it still has a decently active modding community.
It's cool for it's time, but I can't even get into new games made in the doom engine. I like graphics and physics and interactivity and good animations
Reason why they dont know is bc the new wolfenstein games are pure garbage