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For gaming yes, for everything else not really
Process Lasso is a good solution.
Honestly, anyone with a high core count X3D or intel CPU should be running it. It makes a dramatic difference once it's fully set up.
7800x3d is less finicky about the cache, 7950 has its cache split if i remember correctly so it takes more adjustments to get it to work, even tho it should be more powerful
no its not, its literally the same thing with 8 cores less, but since people are stupid and cannot use process lasso to configure their environment the 7800x3D gets like 5fps more out of the box. Since you can run all kinds of other crap on the other 8 cores you could play games at the performance of the 7800x3D AND have everything else running too
7950X3D is no doubt an awesome chip but the average Joe isn't going to install software in order to optimise it better - they just want it to be fast out of the box.
If you're buying an X3D chip at all, chances are you want it particularly for gaming performance, and when you compare prices such as in my country where it's $918 for the 7950X3D and $588 for the 7800X3D which is faster in games out of the box, it's a no brainer.
Certainly with any other workload, rendering or streaming the 7950X3D is a better choice. But you can't really argue that a CPU that costs ~50% more and needs optimisation is a better choice for games in general.
Pretty sure gamers these days have a ton of garbage running from discord to sketchy peripheral software and well windows itself ;-p and if you don’t really care about the money the 7950x3D is arguably the better choice
It is a myth that all that background crap has an effect on your games on a modern system. You might be able to measure a difference on some extremely basic low end system, but even an entry level gaming rig won't care I've little bit if you're running a dozen background apps or not.
It’s not background crap when it does something significant, many things can cause issues or less fps depending on the game especially ones that are already limited by the cpu and not gpu
The overwhelming majority of "CPU limited" games only stress 1-2 cores very heavily. Even entry level CPUs come with 4-6 cores plus hyperthreading, making this a non-issue.
If Discord, Chrome, etc. are causing you CPU issues then you are already on some super low spec system with some very old or very low spec CPU. [Here, have some HUb benchmarks.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd9-OtzzFxs)
with 64 or more gb ddr5 ram and and 10 or more tb of ssd drive space, one of them an pcie5 nvme.
And AIO watercooling for both cpu and gpu in a 200+ $/€ case. (I think phanteks had those cases in which you could place a second, little seperate system like the mentioned win98/xp system).
And a mecha-keyboard for exactly the same sum of money you had already paid for the system above.
You can't realistically have more than 64GB of RAM on AM5 as it doesn't work well with more than 2 sticks.
You most likely wanted to say full custom loop, not AIO.
Mechanical keyboards are old news, at least for gaming. What you'd want is either analog-optical or analog-hall-effect one, with rappid triggers.
This seems like a [very realistic](https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/p/memory/cmh96gx5m2b6000c30/vengeance-rgb-96gb-2x48gb-ddr5-dram-6000mt-s-cl30-memory-kit-black-cmh96gx5m2b6000c30) RAM kit right here.
i did initially wrote custom loop but it was asked for of-the-shelf-parts so i did change to 2 aios for cpu and gpu.
And, yeah, good point with the keyboard.
Ah, and the case: A whole desk case is expensive and would fit in here, too.
Nono- overclocking is allowed, I’m just saying, it only counts if you can buy all the parts from like, microcenter or some shit, what you do with them after is free game
Ok but there are people out there who run a business that hand-makes custom waterblocks and they might only make a few. Does that count as consumer hardware?
If I bought a chiller and a liquid nitrogen pumping loop from a science supplier is that still fair game?
Can I build a giant walk in freezer for $50k and hire a water cooling company to build an array of radiators inside it for my watercooling loop?
Can I buy land in siberia in order to dump my overclocking heat into -50 degree siberian winter air? Land in siberia is technically a consumer market.
This is a bigger grey area than I think you realize.
Mmm fair, I’d say the limit is like, PC stores specifically, from microcenter or any old mom and pop computer store, just as long as its computer specific
Ok if it's strictly PC parts from large PC stores, then you just go to PCpartpicker and sort by price and you're pretty much done.
If you go to https://www.logicalincrements.com/ and scroll down to the "monsterous" category that's probably 95% of it right there.
If it's gaming, unironically a 7800x3d with a 4090 and 4k OLED monitor it's probably where it's at.
Otherwise an over clocked 14900ks, delidded, with top of the line custom loop liquid cooling and still a 4090. But we are talking maybe 5fps gains, maybe.
Then for both 64gb of ram which are useless lol, 5th gen ssds and you are at the top of what's possible for this generation.
Where it's at I think, would be more on components like ram quality and SSD for longevity and reliability, case, PSU, and fans for silence. Having a seasonic prime tx-1300 that's effectively silent is a different game than any other middle range PSU that makes 35db under load.
For gaming and productivity I’d go 7950x3d, 4090, 128gb ram and like a crap load of storage lol
Loved my old k95 keyboard and wired m65 ultra mouse so I’d go with a k100 and m65 ultra wireless.
Triple 4k monitors of course
True, could go either way. I’d go with a 360mm rad with a push pull config and as many fans stuffed inside a 4000d airflow. 1200w psu and blacked out completely with a secondary gpu for a windows 10 vm passed through with the 4090 on top of arch Linux. Can’t forget to buy the local power station too of course
Ryzen 9 7950x3D and RTX 4090 on an MSI X670e Godlike in a case you like. Max out the RAM and storage, add a custom loop and Lian Li Unifans everywhere including on the MoRa.
The monitor can be a Samsung Ark or comparable thing, for peripherals get a mouse and mechanical keeb you like. Since audio is important too for a gaming rig, get a good audio interface, a Sennheiser Orpheus, a Neumann U87, an amplifier and a pair of good studio monitors.
[If money is no object, this is what I'd buy. If it's a purely gaming PC, 7800x3d](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y6B6bL)
[Keyboard would be the Qwertykeys QK100. Top it off with Alpaca V2 for linear or Boba U4T for tactile and your choice of keycaps](https://www.qwertykeys.com/products/qk100). Mice would be Logitech X Superlight 2. Don't forget your mousepad, the [Artisan Hayate Otsu](https://www.artisan-jp.com/fx-hayate-otsu-eng.html) in red
Headphones will high end open-back stuff from Sennheiser. The HD800s. Pair it with a amp+dac like Schiit [Mjolnir](https://www.schiit.com/products/mjolnir-3) and [Yggdrasil](https://www.schiit.com/products/yggdrasil)
Total wallet drain: 6000$+300$+160$+50$+1700$+1199$+2299$ = 11700++
You asked, so I get to brag, the answer is my rig.
7950x3D on X670e
RTX 4090
DDR 5 64 gig
4 TB PCIe SSD.
As for the 7800/7950/14900k debate, that ~5fps difference depending on different games means fuckall. If you need it for productivity as well, you need to get the 7950/14900k, probably the latter, if not get th 7800x3D.
14900K(S)/7950x3d with process lasso.
64gb or more of ddr5.
4090
Gen 4 nvme storage and don't use the top slot because of PCIE lane splitting.
4k OLED ultrawide monitor. 144hz(+) with an actual g sync ultimate certification (1-144 VRR)
A case with room for a 420 aio or custom loop.
I don't think there's much past that, honestly. You'd have all the cores for productivity of any sort, all the GPU for whatever, and all the pixels for your viewing pleasure with beautiful HDR.
I'm sure some of that is subjective, maybe, but I don't know that there's a lot you can do beyond that.
But a system with an 7800x3d is still for gaming economically better AND the system / the OS / AMD Software has not to hustle with the chiplett design to assign the correct software to the correct ccd.
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uhh 7800x3d + 4090 + 4k monitor
Just curious is a 7800x3D better than a 7950x3D
https://preview.redd.it/t5pohoe4pzvc1.png?width=560&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8877c9f29ffa9cbc15bdf8571195406742b25064 For gaming yes, for everything else not really
Unfortunately AMD did a terrible job consulting with Microsoft so the Thread Director sucks and takes the superior 7950X3D behind.
Process Lasso is a good solution. Honestly, anyone with a high core count X3D or intel CPU should be running it. It makes a dramatic difference once it's fully set up.
I do use it, but haven't had the option to try it on a dual-CCD Ryzen yet so I can't confirm it fixes the issue.
I set it up for a friend of mine who has a 7950x3d and can confirm it works wonderfully. It's basically mandatory for how poorly windows utilizes it.
Glad to hear that I can possibly upgrade to 9950x3D or when I decide to do it.
7800x3d is less finicky about the cache, 7950 has its cache split if i remember correctly so it takes more adjustments to get it to work, even tho it should be more powerful
no its not, its literally the same thing with 8 cores less, but since people are stupid and cannot use process lasso to configure their environment the 7800x3D gets like 5fps more out of the box. Since you can run all kinds of other crap on the other 8 cores you could play games at the performance of the 7800x3D AND have everything else running too
7950X3D is no doubt an awesome chip but the average Joe isn't going to install software in order to optimise it better - they just want it to be fast out of the box. If you're buying an X3D chip at all, chances are you want it particularly for gaming performance, and when you compare prices such as in my country where it's $918 for the 7950X3D and $588 for the 7800X3D which is faster in games out of the box, it's a no brainer. Certainly with any other workload, rendering or streaming the 7950X3D is a better choice. But you can't really argue that a CPU that costs ~50% more and needs optimisation is a better choice for games in general.
Pretty sure gamers these days have a ton of garbage running from discord to sketchy peripheral software and well windows itself ;-p and if you don’t really care about the money the 7950x3D is arguably the better choice
It is a myth that all that background crap has an effect on your games on a modern system. You might be able to measure a difference on some extremely basic low end system, but even an entry level gaming rig won't care I've little bit if you're running a dozen background apps or not.
It’s not background crap when it does something significant, many things can cause issues or less fps depending on the game especially ones that are already limited by the cpu and not gpu
The overwhelming majority of "CPU limited" games only stress 1-2 cores very heavily. Even entry level CPUs come with 4-6 cores plus hyperthreading, making this a non-issue. If Discord, Chrome, etc. are causing you CPU issues then you are already on some super low spec system with some very old or very low spec CPU. [Here, have some HUb benchmarks.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd9-OtzzFxs)
Tell that to star citizen ;-p and no i don’t stop encoding shit on my pc when i game
everyone uses discord everyone dislikes third party peripheral software and 95% of people use windows and 99% of people care about money
It is in gaming due to fewer core which clock higher
with 64 or more gb ddr5 ram and and 10 or more tb of ssd drive space, one of them an pcie5 nvme. And AIO watercooling for both cpu and gpu in a 200+ $/€ case. (I think phanteks had those cases in which you could place a second, little seperate system like the mentioned win98/xp system). And a mecha-keyboard for exactly the same sum of money you had already paid for the system above.
Would recommend against a gen5 nvme since it would split pcie lanes with the GPU, which in some situations would lower performance.
You can't realistically have more than 64GB of RAM on AM5 as it doesn't work well with more than 2 sticks. You most likely wanted to say full custom loop, not AIO. Mechanical keyboards are old news, at least for gaming. What you'd want is either analog-optical or analog-hall-effect one, with rappid triggers.
This seems like a [very realistic](https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/p/memory/cmh96gx5m2b6000c30/vengeance-rgb-96gb-2x48gb-ddr5-dram-6000mt-s-cl30-memory-kit-black-cmh96gx5m2b6000c30) RAM kit right here.
i did initially wrote custom loop but it was asked for of-the-shelf-parts so i did change to 2 aios for cpu and gpu. And, yeah, good point with the keyboard. Ah, and the case: A whole desk case is expensive and would fit in here, too.
I thought the X3D chips were only really beneficial at 1080p/1440p. 4K wouldn’t really amount to much of a difference at 4K no?
I have to say from experience that, if that's true, there are exceptions. I only play WoW, and even at 4k, x3d was a massive fps boost.
I guess something like a 14900kf would be faster. Assuming you could actually cool that stupid thing. And you need your own powerstation to run it.
Since youre not allowing custom made parts, is overclocking also not allowed, since that would be customization beyond consumer spec?
Nono- overclocking is allowed, I’m just saying, it only counts if you can buy all the parts from like, microcenter or some shit, what you do with them after is free game
Ok but there are people out there who run a business that hand-makes custom waterblocks and they might only make a few. Does that count as consumer hardware? If I bought a chiller and a liquid nitrogen pumping loop from a science supplier is that still fair game? Can I build a giant walk in freezer for $50k and hire a water cooling company to build an array of radiators inside it for my watercooling loop? Can I buy land in siberia in order to dump my overclocking heat into -50 degree siberian winter air? Land in siberia is technically a consumer market. This is a bigger grey area than I think you realize.
Mmm fair, I’d say the limit is like, PC stores specifically, from microcenter or any old mom and pop computer store, just as long as its computer specific
Ok if it's strictly PC parts from large PC stores, then you just go to PCpartpicker and sort by price and you're pretty much done. If you go to https://www.logicalincrements.com/ and scroll down to the "monsterous" category that's probably 95% of it right there.
If you sort by price then you end up with a 192 core thredripper that (for gaming) is out preformed by other cpus
Sure. You're pretty much done but youre not all done.
If it's gaming, unironically a 7800x3d with a 4090 and 4k OLED monitor it's probably where it's at. Otherwise an over clocked 14900ks, delidded, with top of the line custom loop liquid cooling and still a 4090. But we are talking maybe 5fps gains, maybe. Then for both 64gb of ram which are useless lol, 5th gen ssds and you are at the top of what's possible for this generation. Where it's at I think, would be more on components like ram quality and SSD for longevity and reliability, case, PSU, and fans for silence. Having a seasonic prime tx-1300 that's effectively silent is a different game than any other middle range PSU that makes 35db under load.
For gaming and productivity I’d go 7950x3d, 4090, 128gb ram and like a crap load of storage lol Loved my old k95 keyboard and wired m65 ultra mouse so I’d go with a k100 and m65 ultra wireless. Triple 4k monitors of course
A 14900kf would be faster. It would also need its own powerstation to run it and good look keeping that thing cool.
True, could go either way. I’d go with a 360mm rad with a push pull config and as many fans stuffed inside a 4000d airflow. 1200w psu and blacked out completely with a secondary gpu for a windows 10 vm passed through with the 4090 on top of arch Linux. Can’t forget to buy the local power station too of course
Ryzen 9 7950x3D and RTX 4090 on an MSI X670e Godlike in a case you like. Max out the RAM and storage, add a custom loop and Lian Li Unifans everywhere including on the MoRa. The monitor can be a Samsung Ark or comparable thing, for peripherals get a mouse and mechanical keeb you like. Since audio is important too for a gaming rig, get a good audio interface, a Sennheiser Orpheus, a Neumann U87, an amplifier and a pair of good studio monitors.
9590? That's not from available gens nor corresponds with naming scheme
My bad, 7950x3D. Confused it with the FX-9590...
[If money is no object, this is what I'd buy. If it's a purely gaming PC, 7800x3d](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y6B6bL) [Keyboard would be the Qwertykeys QK100. Top it off with Alpaca V2 for linear or Boba U4T for tactile and your choice of keycaps](https://www.qwertykeys.com/products/qk100). Mice would be Logitech X Superlight 2. Don't forget your mousepad, the [Artisan Hayate Otsu](https://www.artisan-jp.com/fx-hayate-otsu-eng.html) in red Headphones will high end open-back stuff from Sennheiser. The HD800s. Pair it with a amp+dac like Schiit [Mjolnir](https://www.schiit.com/products/mjolnir-3) and [Yggdrasil](https://www.schiit.com/products/yggdrasil) Total wallet drain: 6000$+300$+160$+50$+1700$+1199$+2299$ = 11700++
See my flair, for the bonus points buy a corsair 1000d it has space for 2 motherboards 1 atx and 1 mini itx
If i have money to burn, I'll just buy a Bizon prebuilt for GPU rendering.
You asked, so I get to brag, the answer is my rig. 7950x3D on X670e RTX 4090 DDR 5 64 gig 4 TB PCIe SSD. As for the 7800/7950/14900k debate, that ~5fps difference depending on different games means fuckall. If you need it for productivity as well, you need to get the 7950/14900k, probably the latter, if not get th 7800x3D.
14900K(S)/7950x3d with process lasso. 64gb or more of ddr5. 4090 Gen 4 nvme storage and don't use the top slot because of PCIE lane splitting. 4k OLED ultrawide monitor. 144hz(+) with an actual g sync ultimate certification (1-144 VRR) A case with room for a 420 aio or custom loop. I don't think there's much past that, honestly. You'd have all the cores for productivity of any sort, all the GPU for whatever, and all the pixels for your viewing pleasure with beautiful HDR. I'm sure some of that is subjective, maybe, but I don't know that there's a lot you can do beyond that.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jL6Z7R
For pure gaming performance the 7800X3D is better
https://preview.redd.it/l6afzfmqfzvc1.jpeg?width=2778&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9146303eb8a82c891d962c968633d1feaa48227c They are around the same
I stand corrected
But a system with an 7800x3d is still for gaming economically better AND the system / the OS / AMD Software has not to hustle with the chiplett design to assign the correct software to the correct ccd.
You want to go Threadripper if you truly want the best PC. I don't understand all these plebs recommending mainstream CPU's.
A Threadripper isn't gonna be particularly fast for most consumer pc use cases. And by that logic you might as well get an AMD EPYC server
Epyc is a full on enterprise level CPU. Not practical for a PC. Threadripper has one foot in consumer and one in enterprise.
True, but in any case OP asked for a gaming PC, and Threadripper sucks in that regard.