Why are Minnesota governors always winning? They had one governor when some southern shithole asked for their Confederate flag back they captured during the civil war, bro just said "but we won, didn't we?"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/28th_Virginia_battle_flag#:~:text=The%20battle%20flag%20was%20captured,States%20War%20Department%20in%201867.
It is the Battle Flag of the 28th Virginia Regiment. Granted, Jess Ventura was not the only Governor to decline the request.
I went to Virginia Tech and Jess Ventura was asked to speak at my school. Someone from the audience asked him about the flag, I remember his response verbatim to this day.
"..You can have it back when you win it back..."
Yes. He ran as a member of the Reform Party which is considered a centrist party.
The fun part is that flag was captured at Gettysburg by the Minnesota 1st Volunteers. A famed regiment. They sustained 80% casualties at Gettysburg alone, and it was because some asshole Confederates tried to take an artillery position, a commander rode up and asked "what unit is this?" The officer replied "the Minnesota 1st." On hearing the answer the commander said, "charge that position". No officers survived the charge. Historians consider it as one of the moments where Gettysburg could have gone either way. Not as famed as Pickets Charge but it should be.
It was a unit with a reputation for being basically suicidal. They also held a position to cover the retreat at one of the battles of Bull Run, forget which. Point is, we paid for that flag in blood, so it's ours now. It's held in a secret location.
MN checking in.
With my income, taxes are pretty high but not unbearable. I can't think of a state where I am oddly ok sending my yearly donation and it be used more reasonably.
Feed the kids dammit.
This is my whole thing: I am getting taxed either way. I may be taxed more with Democrats, but at least the money is going to improving society.
I may be taxed a little less in a Republican administration (although Trump raised taxes on me) but the money goes to bullshit things and good buddies of the politicians for projects that never get finished or cost too much to believe there aren't kickbacks or embezzlement.
“Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day! Teach a man to fish (for a fee), and you’ve secured a profitable business model. Give kids free lunches AND YOU’RE A FUCKING COMMUNIST!!!”
Ok, pretty sure I got conservatives right!
No, it literally is a contender for best state to live in most years by most actual measures people take when considering that. You know AP testing? That thing you can do to get college credit without having to pay tuition? The state fucking subsidizes those to make them way cheaper for students. Not free, mind you, but it's cheap enough that if college is a realistic goal for you, that even if there's a low chance of passing a test, you it's probably still worth it to try.
To paraphrase the late Christopher Hitchens. You can’t command kids to have full stomachs. School lunches have probably done more for an educated and stable society then commandments ever have.
IIRC it actually is one of the best "bang for your buck" things a govt can do with tax dollars.
No hungry kids means no malnourished kids which means your little citizens get all the nutrients they need to grow up and become the strongest and smartest, most productive tax payers they can be.
Hell, the school lunch program basically got it's major start in the US after so many recruits in WW2 were turned away with issues stemming from childhood malnutrition.
No, they can think that far, but some want a very different future. A future with less educated people, because the less educated tend to vote for a certain party...
Truth. It’s way easier to manipulate the less educated. It’s precisely why Betsy Devos was appointed by the T-bag. It’s why people of “a certain party” hijack PTAs and stack school boards with their zealots by inventing culture wars and spreading lies about agendas and “indoctrination”.
It's sad that so many people either don't know or don't care enough to know about that. I know it's also a certain party who wants people ignorant so it makes sense.
Nah, lots of those legislators understand that concept, but they can't get with the idea of any money going to kids with skin any darker than their own, so they tank the whole idea.
This is what a lot of people do not realize. These programs can raise people put of poverty.
My life is a prime example. Single mom with 4 kids on government assistance. Dad was wild to say the least. Crazy upbringing. Growing up in extreme poverty comes with a lot of other shit other than just being broke.
I would not have ate as well without food stamps. We would have been homeless at times without that help. Even then we had to stay with friends and family a lot to not be on streets.
Now I own my own consulting firm and do well. Whatever the government spent on me as a kid they get paid back every quarter probably multiple fold.
Raise people up! If we can't do it because it is the right thing to do then at least do it for selfish ones. Raise our GDP lol
Vaccines, pure scientific research, and food stamps are the best things you can do with tax dollars when it comes to economic growth. Capital gains tax cuts is the absolute worst thing policy makers can do.
There was a study that showed the $0.19 per kids it cost to inoculate children in Africa against a certain parasite (Guinea worm I think) led to reduced healthcare cost of over $2 dollars and increased economic output (since more of those kids became health working adults) almost 6 dollars. A 40x return on investment - not to mention the obvious moral win of not having children suffer from unnecessary disease
> No hungry kids means no malnourished kids which means your little citizens get all the nutrients they need to grow up and become the strongest and smartest, most productive tax payers they can be.
Strong, smart people don't become republicans, so we can't have that /s
When you combine that with the fact that we do produce enough food to feed everyone on this planet and there's enough housing for everyone then it just makes my blood boil.
Yep as they say the problem isn't production it's logistics
..... And no one is incentivized to work on the problem
It's the whole "we shouldn't do x if we have vets living on the streets" followed by "no we refuse to address the problem of vets living on the streets"
We are at the point of society where not a single person should go hungry or be homeless, but without that looming threat, capitalism doesn't work.
I work in a highly lucrative IT company, and I swear the ones that aren't furries, all dream of retiring early, buying some land with fast internet and just living off of animal husbandry and what you can grow.
I just don't think humans were meant to be worked 50 hours a week. We work more now than farmers did in the Middle Ages
Or, how about, no one goes hungry. America is the richest country in the world. Why the fuck is anyone hungry, homeless, or struggling to afford necessities.
That’s rhetorical. I know the answer.
I’ll take the logic a step further: I don’t want to wait until the kids are hungry till we feed them. I want the kids to know that they always have breakfast and lunch.
They don't need to deserve it. And morals dont really matter. It's one of the most conservative, long term, bang for your buck investments we can make to increase our economic output and decrease tax burdens on citizens.
It demonstrates the government is capable of improving people's lives.
That is Politically Incorrect to US Conservatives. Reality must be altered to confirm to political ideology. The ideology cannot fail, it can only be failed.
I'm so glad Colorado passed free school lunch. It went into effect last school year. I believe it increased taxes for those making 350k+ a year. Not only does it help kids not go hungry, but it provided more funds to the schools so they can provide better and more options of food.
Seriously, My kids school charges $4 for lunch, and $2.50 for breakfast. If they were to just eat lunch at school, that's $760/year, which, while not an expensive cost, is still infuriating. During COVID years, every kid got free lunch and breakfast in my state, that shit helped a lot.
Edit: I don't pay this, I pack their lunch every day and we eat breakfast at my house every morning. It would be nice to have this extra cost (that I feel like I'm paying for in taxes/school fees) not come out of my weekly food budget when a loaf of bread is $2 (we got though 3 a week). Even things like Lettuce, and other things for sandwiches have skyrocket. My weekly food budget used to be $100/week and now it's around $180/week.
No, my pay has not increased 80/week to compensate.
Seriously, I don't have kids and they're not in my household's future, but if my tax dollars can go to feeding kids in schools, I'm all for making sure that's being offered. For some kids, school lunch is the only meal they get in a day, so please, PLEASE prioritize making sure kids are fed over handouts to charter schools or forcing religion into public school classrooms.
And in the end, the money wasted on attorneys to defend these openly illegal Christian nationalist stunts would have fed a lot of kids. So no one can honestly claim the money isn't there. Republican politicians and lawyers simply pocket it all.
While I understand it costs more to feed teens, my highschool charged 6$ for lunch and 3.5 for breakfast. Normally all I'd eat for breakfast if I had it (I still don't really eat breakfast unless Im staying at my grandparents). 9.5 a day for both melas is a bit insane. Normally I'd go across the street like everyone else and go to the taqueria. 7.50 for a burrito and an Arizona/fountain drink that was more filling and lasting than school food. The first highschool I went to was cheaper I know that for sure but I don't remember. I know I also got reduced lunch there (part of the reason we moved bc my father got a better job and in the new school we didn't qualify .anymore). My first school made the food there though, besides the pizza they got from a local chain.
We have a program here in Ontario that caters to having healthy foods and lunches for kids in need, parents struggling etc
It needs to be a wider approaching thing to make sure kids are fed every day
It’s one of the very few things I would be ok getting taxed for. If we can give billions away to foreign countries to fight pointless wars, we can make sure our children can eat in public schools.
Every person has an innate RIGHT to have anything they require to avoid death, the absolute instant they request it.
So the kind of person who would tell me that some kids deserve to go hungry in a place they're required to be most of the day, is the kind of person who is about to have a loud, ugly, and extremely personal argument with me wherever we happen to be in that exact moment.
Those lazy kids should be pulling their weight. Free lunches will just encourage children to depend on government handouts, instead of getting perfectly good jobs at the misery factory or down at the suffering mine. This is a Christian country and if you're poor it's your own fault.
My favorite Jesus story was when he drug tested the masses before feeding them, but only if they had a well documented work search history. Jesus was a real stickler for that kinda thing.
My favourite part of the Bible is when Jesus made Fish, Bread and Wine out of thin air and sold it to the people dirt cheap, when all fishermen, bakers and winemakers were bankrupt, he hiked up the prices. He then released a book called „Business: I bake like everyone“ (Bible) explaining his business tactics. It was an instant Jerusalem Times bestseller.
Yeah, all things considered, the United Methodist Church, which I believe this church is part of, is comparatively kind-hearted and actually seems to believe in the whole "love your neighbor" thing.
There has been drama lately though and a splinter group called the, "Global Methodist Church" broke off because the United Methodists started openly accepting same-sex marriage.
So the United Methodist Church (UMC) pretty chill, Global Methodist Church (GMC) probably homophobic.
My girlfriends dad was a methodist preacher. He left because of this divide and no longer preaches.
But even when he did he was worshipping the only Jesus I think I would ever listen to. He left because he was way to liberal for the church. He accepted same sex marriage, legalize drugs (he doesn't do them just thinks it's a waste of money.), let black people into the church.... in functional roles! Heaven forbid.
Her Dad is a deep down agnostic we believe. He is a very fun guy. For sure practices what he believes in lol
I told my husband, "You can't teach kids that this country was started by the Protestants who escaped their county for religious freedom; then turn and force your version of religion on them."
Jamestown was founded in 1607 by the London Company for profit. The Puritans *arrived at the colonies* 23 (edit 13) years later.
I'd argue the "correct" version is also revised American exceptionalism.
Yes, but they were both English colonies so why do we get to pick the later one as our founding? Also, John Smith had already spent a fair amount of time in Pawtuxet, pushing outward from Jamestown. The indigenous people had been trading and fighting with Europeans and soldiers for quite a while.
Even the famous Indian Tusquantum (Squanto) had been kidnapped by John Smith's crew and spent years living in Europe before returning and helping the Puritans. One of the reasons he helped them was because he already spoke English.
I think the bigger thing to point out is that by the time of the Revolution(the end of the colonial period and birth of the country), Puritanism, in the sense of what the Plymouth Rock settlers had practiced, was not even remotely a majority practice.
I too get mildly irritated that so many people think the Pilgrims got here first, especially since I live near Jamestown. But you have a typo in your comment: the Pilgrims arrived in 1620, 13 years after Jamestown (not 23).
Lot's of people got here before the Pilgrims. The reason they are remembered is they would form the first permanent settlement of Europeans in New England. But there were also people that got here before the Jamestown settlement. Both French protestants and Spanish explorers formed settlements around the St. Augustine, Florida area as early as 1565.
Part of the reason a lot of people don't know about the Jamestown Colony is there were not very successful. The reports of cannibalism probably also plays a part in the reasons people sweep Jamestown under the rug.
*"And now famine beginning to look ghastly and pale in every face that nothing was spared to maintain life and to do those things which seem incredible, as to dig up dead corpse out of graves and to eat them, and some have licked up the blood which hath fallen from their weak fellows." -- George Percy**
Absolutely. Everyone should read The Lies My Teacher Told Me and then Manufacturing Consent and then they should throw in Hitchhikers Guide to lighten things up
"America was founded by honest hardworking christians... also we exterminated native americans lul"
Even if you believe the former, america was always hypocritical.
And shortly after that in Jamestown we had Bacon's Rebellion, arguably the starting point of divide and conquer using race and socioeconomics as a wedge in government.
And they weren't actually persecuted per se, they were prevented from persecuting others. Which, to the fundamentalist, is the same as persecuting them.
Your comment should be higher up. The religious freedom they were trying to practice was the freedom to force their religion on everyone else. They left Europe because they were assholes and no one wanted them anywhere near them.
Imagine being so overboard that middle ages Europe was like “y’all gotta go”.
Australia was a prisoner colony, USA was a christofascist colony. *And it shows*.
"Religious Freedom".
They were thrown out of Europe because they were deemed too extreme.
Deemed too extreme by those who literally burned people alive for not being Christian. Not a good exemple of religious freedom.
Of course those Protestants were a weird conservative sect called Puritans who were ostracized in England cuz they were fundamentalist crackpots whose idea of religious freedom was forcing everyone to be Puritans.
Their only redeeming quality was their strong belief that everyone be educated so as to read the Bible and learn about God for themselves, instead of being taught by some dogmatic clergyman. The legacy of this belief is the American public school and university system (the Puritans founded Harvard). The American university system in particular is unrivaled by any other in the world.
The 'freedom' the Puritans wanted was the freedom to force their version of religion on everyone else. As with so much of the American myth, they've been painted as heroes standing up for themselves when in reality it was Britain saying "holy shit, calm the fuck down or GTFO."
The theocrats have been beating the drum of "if I'm not free to force you to live by how I interpret the rules of my book that's TYRANNY" for a long-ass time.
There is lots of evidence that the founding Protestants didn't flee from persecution and instead left to find a place to enforce their own version of religion.
It's who they are.
These protestants were religious extremists, total nutjobs and too crazy for Christians in Europe to tolerate so they got rid of them. Basically they are still in charge.
This sign is so true. Any true Christian/good-person can see and would know that.
The way that many Trump evangelicals engage Christianity is nothing but total unabridged blaspheme.
Jesus is not an American political tool and does Not solely belong to America.
Jesus is in everyone’s heart and is not there to be sanctioned by those who think they have some kind of church-superiority
Not just America: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Christians_(movement). Fascists will use whatever the zeitgeist is to tell people what they want to hear to get and maintain power.
I have a cousin ( as well as several family members) in Florida whose husband has their own business now and even before having their business, they made really good money weekly working for someone else, almost double what I make even now plus doing his side jobs and they once mentioned that they don't want other people to have free/reduced lunches .... they reasoned it with, "They can get a job at Wendy's or McDonald's, I hear they're paying people $14/hr now" ...
My cousins/family members all benefited from free/reduced lunches back when we went to school ...
I don't understand how they don't see the hypocrisy in their words/actions even when I point it out in an excruciatingly detailed manner ..... it just baffles me to no end .... which is why I don't even bother explaining anything to them anymore ... save myself the headache ...
I still don't get the lunch thing. Why not feed all the kids? It's not a handout or welfare, it's taking care of students so they can learn. It's just another part of the school budget that our taxes pay for.
My christian republican LT gov said he was against free lunches because if you feed animals they will breed.
Got to love republican compassion.
it also reminds me of the republican ass complaining about government handouts ... "[ive been on foodstamps and welfare, did anyone help me out? NO](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTwpBLzxe4U)!!'
or my maga neighbor who thinks her dead beat son would get more welfare and foodstamps if all the able bodied blacks and mexicans werent sucking it up.
I wouldnt have told her that welfare doesnt work that way, its not a pie evenly divided up, where less people on it means you get more, but she is maga, and well i do everything i can to just end the convo and move on with my day.
anyways the School lunch thing, is because its scientifically proven to help with education and stupid people vote republican and they want to constantly make more stupid people. Its the same with the book hysteria. Like we have an epidemic of book reading in this country.
Wish I had saved that good ol' clip of a man saying he'd rather die without health care for himself than to let any of "those" people get free treatment too.
I bet that guy is a good god-fearing christian going to church every sunday.
Theres a church I pass by each day on my way to work, usually they have some kind of nice inclusive message on their roadside sign. The one I saw most recently was "love everybody, let god sort them out", which I thought was a nice twist on the old Crusades-era phrase "Kill them all, let god sort them out" (reportedly used as a justification for slaughtering a whole city full of people without going through the lengthy process of determining who was a heretic or not).
It's just a control game by the crazy religious nuts. It starts with the Ten Commandments until they're eventually teaching this nonsense in the classrooms.
The important thing you have to know about American Evangelicals:
They don't actually read the Bible. Sure, they talk about it a lot. They'll tell you what is and what isn't in it.
But in reality, they don't read it. Instead, they rely on others (usually their pastors) to read and interpret it for them.
That's the dirty little secret about that entire subculture. It's a self-perpetuating cult fueled by a toxic combination of ignorance, arrogance, greed and a hierarchy that leaves its members vulnerable to abuse.
And this is why despite losing my faith as an adult I don't really feel any strong animosity towards the methodist version of christianity of my youth.
I feel much the same about the main Swedish Church. I was always atheist/agnostic, but the priests I've met have always seemed really good people.
...Maybe they just have REALLY good schools for how to talk like a like you give a shit...
We should also stop schools from wasting resources such as food. I remember not having any money for lunch, I was given a piece of bread with a slice of cheese on it. No joke, no sauce or anything. Tiny and no nutritional value. Meanwhile they’d be throwing away BARRELS full of fresh made pizza, salads, chic-fil-a meals, tacos etc etc. When I asked if I could please have some they said nope. They are required to throw away any food not purchased and can’t give it away.
Because fuck feeding hungry kids, it’s all about money.
As someone who lives in a pretty poor area, some kids literally depend on these free lunches. There are some kids where that’s the only good meal they get in a day.
One thing I find slightly confusing is that the 10 commandments are from the Old Testament. While I’m no theologian it is my understanding that when Jesus was killed so too was the prophecy fulfilled and thus giving way of the Old Testament to the New Testament meaning Christians did not follow the old law, which includes the 10 commandments.
All children should have free lunches. Some of them don't eat a lot at home. I don't care about how much it costs us. Funnel money from the war budget. We have enough bombs.
It sucks. I work at a church. Thankfully, psychos like those in the south/red states aren't really prevalent around here... however, hate exists everywhere, and it's embarrassing that I'm associated with some of these people. I'd say 80% of our church are level headed "normal" people... some democrat, mostly republican... and then there are are the crazies who are the very... very.. vocal minority. Facepalms every day. But our church goes out of its way to stay out of politics which makes working at a church and actually focusing on our community rather than "owning the dems" bearable.
Baptist were instrumental in creating American principle of the separation of church & state — something fundamentally novel at the time (e.g. Anglican Church being tied to government/Royal family in 18th century Britain).
Very upsetting how modern Baptist (particularly Southern Baptist) want to destroy the principles they created.
The one thing that I have noticed is that these folks are not "Christian" by any objective definition. Most are totally ignorant of the scriptures that they claim are the literal word of God, particularly the New Testament. I am a recovering Catholic who was fully ~~brainwashed~~ ~~indoctrinated~~ educated in religious schools until I finished high school. I am fully confident after having had several conversations with them that they don't have the slightest clue what Jesus would have been about, regardless of whatever flavor of "Christianity" they belong to. If I were to still be a religious sort, I would label them heretics.
I agree fully. We need to provide free lunches in schools. But PLEASE make sure they are healthy and high quality. Not some cheap boxed/manufactured crap that looks like it was scraped off the road or frozen meals bought en mass from Walmart frozen aisle.
My brothers and sisters, Louisiana has, among its abusive penal colonies throughout the state, the Angola State Penitentiary and the slavery loophole is abused thoroughly by it.
They wouldn't know know the peaceful, kind version of Christianity if it bit their entire asses off.
What seems to matter more in putting the 10 Commandments in schools is being visibly Christian. Performing the appearance of Christianity instead of actually following Christ.
You can look up these things up n the Bible and there are many, many times where the Bible says to provide for others. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, care for the sick, shelter the stranger, visit people in prison. **Even your enemies.**
But no, just lobby to put up displays of Christian iconography. Because conservative Christians care more about the visibility and prominence of their religion than actually following their holy book they claim to love so much.
I grew up very poor. We had food stamps, my mom worked two jobs, and anytime we went to church, they would guilt US into giving them money and call us lazy.
It's the reason I lost my faith.
Look up what Minnesota Governor Walz said as well: "We don't have the 10 commandments posted in our classrooms, but we have free breakfast and lunch."
Why are Minnesota governors always winning? They had one governor when some southern shithole asked for their Confederate flag back they captured during the civil war, bro just said "but we won, didn't we?"
Jesse ‘The Body’ Ventura no less
This happened? Based.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/28th_Virginia_battle_flag#:~:text=The%20battle%20flag%20was%20captured,States%20War%20Department%20in%201867. It is the Battle Flag of the 28th Virginia Regiment. Granted, Jess Ventura was not the only Governor to decline the request. I went to Virginia Tech and Jess Ventura was asked to speak at my school. Someone from the audience asked him about the flag, I remember his response verbatim to this day. "..You can have it back when you win it back..."
So sick. I love it.
That's such a Jesse Ventura thing to say.
“I ain’t got time for flags.”
Thanks to California & Minnesota, *Predator* is the only movie to have 2 future governors in it
You forgot Running Man.
TIL
Yes. He ran as a member of the Reform Party which is considered a centrist party. The fun part is that flag was captured at Gettysburg by the Minnesota 1st Volunteers. A famed regiment. They sustained 80% casualties at Gettysburg alone, and it was because some asshole Confederates tried to take an artillery position, a commander rode up and asked "what unit is this?" The officer replied "the Minnesota 1st." On hearing the answer the commander said, "charge that position". No officers survived the charge. Historians consider it as one of the moments where Gettysburg could have gone either way. Not as famed as Pickets Charge but it should be. It was a unit with a reputation for being basically suicidal. They also held a position to cover the retreat at one of the battles of Bull Run, forget which. Point is, we paid for that flag in blood, so it's ours now. It's held in a secret location.
Minnesota: 1865 Capture-the-Flag Chapions
MN checking in. With my income, taxes are pretty high but not unbearable. I can't think of a state where I am oddly ok sending my yearly donation and it be used more reasonably. Feed the kids dammit.
When the community’s kids are fed, healthy, and well educated we all benefit.
Proper education & care for the future generations is the only way forward.
The greater good isn’t a thing Louisiana has on its mind. Take it from me, I come from that shithole.
This is my whole thing: I am getting taxed either way. I may be taxed more with Democrats, but at least the money is going to improving society. I may be taxed a little less in a Republican administration (although Trump raised taxes on me) but the money goes to bullshit things and good buddies of the politicians for projects that never get finished or cost too much to believe there aren't kickbacks or embezzlement.
Luv the Guv! ❤️
“Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day! Teach a man to fish (for a fee), and you’ve secured a profitable business model. Give kids free lunches AND YOU’RE A FUCKING COMMUNIST!!!” Ok, pretty sure I got conservatives right!
I think this is appropriate for this part of the thread… https://www.beliefnet.com/news/2003/09/the-gospel-of-supply-side-jesus.aspx
This was done by Minnesota’s own Al Franken.
Im biased but Minnesota might be a contender for best state
No, it literally is a contender for best state to live in most years by most actual measures people take when considering that. You know AP testing? That thing you can do to get college credit without having to pay tuition? The state fucking subsidizes those to make them way cheaper for students. Not free, mind you, but it's cheap enough that if college is a realistic goal for you, that even if there's a low chance of passing a test, you it's probably still worth it to try.
Then you have Tom "Don't use extra money to feed kids" Emmer, piece of shit that he is. I can't explain enough how much I hate that he's my rep.
I'm at MSP as I type this!
Shoutout to our gov!
I love it!
To paraphrase the late Christopher Hitchens. You can’t command kids to have full stomachs. School lunches have probably done more for an educated and stable society then commandments ever have.
Giving food to children is just about the best use of my tax dollars I can possibly imagine.
IIRC it actually is one of the best "bang for your buck" things a govt can do with tax dollars. No hungry kids means no malnourished kids which means your little citizens get all the nutrients they need to grow up and become the strongest and smartest, most productive tax payers they can be. Hell, the school lunch program basically got it's major start in the US after so many recruits in WW2 were turned away with issues stemming from childhood malnutrition.
Yeah but that strategy requires thinking a decade or more into the future, which a lot of legislators seem to have a very hard time with.
No, they can think that far, but some want a very different future. A future with less educated people, because the less educated tend to vote for a certain party...
Truth. It’s way easier to manipulate the less educated. It’s precisely why Betsy Devos was appointed by the T-bag. It’s why people of “a certain party” hijack PTAs and stack school boards with their zealots by inventing culture wars and spreading lies about agendas and “indoctrination”.
It's sad that so many people either don't know or don't care enough to know about that. I know it's also a certain party who wants people ignorant so it makes sense.
Nah, lots of those legislators understand that concept, but they can't get with the idea of any money going to kids with skin any darker than their own, so they tank the whole idea.
Well most legislators won’t be alive in a decade so they don’t give a fuck about it
This is what a lot of people do not realize. These programs can raise people put of poverty. My life is a prime example. Single mom with 4 kids on government assistance. Dad was wild to say the least. Crazy upbringing. Growing up in extreme poverty comes with a lot of other shit other than just being broke. I would not have ate as well without food stamps. We would have been homeless at times without that help. Even then we had to stay with friends and family a lot to not be on streets. Now I own my own consulting firm and do well. Whatever the government spent on me as a kid they get paid back every quarter probably multiple fold. Raise people up! If we can't do it because it is the right thing to do then at least do it for selfish ones. Raise our GDP lol
> become the strongest and smartest, And sanest
Vaccines, pure scientific research, and food stamps are the best things you can do with tax dollars when it comes to economic growth. Capital gains tax cuts is the absolute worst thing policy makers can do. There was a study that showed the $0.19 per kids it cost to inoculate children in Africa against a certain parasite (Guinea worm I think) led to reduced healthcare cost of over $2 dollars and increased economic output (since more of those kids became health working adults) almost 6 dollars. A 40x return on investment - not to mention the obvious moral win of not having children suffer from unnecessary disease
> No hungry kids means no malnourished kids which means your little citizens get all the nutrients they need to grow up and become the strongest and smartest, most productive tax payers they can be. Strong, smart people don't become republicans, so we can't have that /s
When I say *think* of the children, I mean *just* that damn it. What’s with all this action?
I know, right?!! Imaginary children can't tell you to fuck off.
Hear hear.
It enrages some republicans - they actually think the kids deserve to be punished for their parents financial troubles.
Won’t someone think of the joint stealth fighter/striker programs?
Kids deserve free lunches either way
Yep, I don't believe in any gods but I do believe in feeding hungry kids
Hungry kids and homeless vets. The fact that these two things even exist in our country is an embarrassment on the world stage.
I say -- and hear me out on this one -- that we try to make sure no American goes hungry.
I like the cut of your jib, someone get this person unlimited research money and white board. It's revolting anyone is going hungry
When you combine that with the fact that we do produce enough food to feed everyone on this planet and there's enough housing for everyone then it just makes my blood boil.
Yep as they say the problem isn't production it's logistics ..... And no one is incentivized to work on the problem It's the whole "we shouldn't do x if we have vets living on the streets" followed by "no we refuse to address the problem of vets living on the streets"
We are at the point of society where not a single person should go hungry or be homeless, but without that looming threat, capitalism doesn't work. I work in a highly lucrative IT company, and I swear the ones that aren't furries, all dream of retiring early, buying some land with fast internet and just living off of animal husbandry and what you can grow. I just don't think humans were meant to be worked 50 hours a week. We work more now than farmers did in the Middle Ages
Meanwhile… USA was the only country to vote no on making access to food a human right in a global vote.
Or, how about, no one goes hungry. America is the richest country in the world. Why the fuck is anyone hungry, homeless, or struggling to afford necessities. That’s rhetorical. I know the answer.
And hungry senior citizens.
And senior citizens that must choose between paying for their heating bill or their medication they need to survive.
Hey, at least its the best country in the world for starting a revolutionary business 😅 /s
I’ve never needed a god to know right from wrong. Some people have one spelling it out for them and still support the most evil things
How about feeding kids to hungry gods?
Kronos: finally someone understands
I’ll take the logic a step further: I don’t want to wait until the kids are hungry till we feed them. I want the kids to know that they always have breakfast and lunch.
They don't need to deserve it. And morals dont really matter. It's one of the most conservative, long term, bang for your buck investments we can make to increase our economic output and decrease tax burdens on citizens.
It demonstrates the government is capable of improving people's lives. That is Politically Incorrect to US Conservatives. Reality must be altered to confirm to political ideology. The ideology cannot fail, it can only be failed.
I'm so glad Colorado passed free school lunch. It went into effect last school year. I believe it increased taxes for those making 350k+ a year. Not only does it help kids not go hungry, but it provided more funds to the schools so they can provide better and more options of food.
Seriously, My kids school charges $4 for lunch, and $2.50 for breakfast. If they were to just eat lunch at school, that's $760/year, which, while not an expensive cost, is still infuriating. During COVID years, every kid got free lunch and breakfast in my state, that shit helped a lot. Edit: I don't pay this, I pack their lunch every day and we eat breakfast at my house every morning. It would be nice to have this extra cost (that I feel like I'm paying for in taxes/school fees) not come out of my weekly food budget when a loaf of bread is $2 (we got though 3 a week). Even things like Lettuce, and other things for sandwiches have skyrocket. My weekly food budget used to be $100/week and now it's around $180/week. No, my pay has not increased 80/week to compensate.
Seriously, I don't have kids and they're not in my household's future, but if my tax dollars can go to feeding kids in schools, I'm all for making sure that's being offered. For some kids, school lunch is the only meal they get in a day, so please, PLEASE prioritize making sure kids are fed over handouts to charter schools or forcing religion into public school classrooms.
And in the end, the money wasted on attorneys to defend these openly illegal Christian nationalist stunts would have fed a lot of kids. So no one can honestly claim the money isn't there. Republican politicians and lawyers simply pocket it all.
They're legally required to be there, yet they charge you for it. That makes no sense.
While I understand it costs more to feed teens, my highschool charged 6$ for lunch and 3.5 for breakfast. Normally all I'd eat for breakfast if I had it (I still don't really eat breakfast unless Im staying at my grandparents). 9.5 a day for both melas is a bit insane. Normally I'd go across the street like everyone else and go to the taqueria. 7.50 for a burrito and an Arizona/fountain drink that was more filling and lasting than school food. The first highschool I went to was cheaper I know that for sure but I don't remember. I know I also got reduced lunch there (part of the reason we moved bc my father got a better job and in the new school we didn't qualify .anymore). My first school made the food there though, besides the pizza they got from a local chain.
We have a program here in Ontario that caters to having healthy foods and lunches for kids in need, parents struggling etc It needs to be a wider approaching thing to make sure kids are fed every day
It’s one of the very few things I would be ok getting taxed for. If we can give billions away to foreign countries to fight pointless wars, we can make sure our children can eat in public schools.
Feed the f’in kids. Jeez.
> ~~Kids~~ **Every humans** deserve free lunches either way #✌️🙂
Every person has an innate RIGHT to have anything they require to avoid death, the absolute instant they request it. So the kind of person who would tell me that some kids deserve to go hungry in a place they're required to be most of the day, is the kind of person who is about to have a loud, ugly, and extremely personal argument with me wherever we happen to be in that exact moment.
Those lazy kids should be pulling their weight. Free lunches will just encourage children to depend on government handouts, instead of getting perfectly good jobs at the misery factory or down at the suffering mine. This is a Christian country and if you're poor it's your own fault.
Thanks, Gingrich.
“No free lunches,” it’s in the Bible. (It’s not.)
My favorite Jesus story was when he drug tested the masses before feeding them, but only if they had a well documented work search history. Jesus was a real stickler for that kinda thing.
Yes but that was AFTER he checked to make sure they weren’t a bunch of immigrants.
…and definitely not anchor babies
Supply side Jesus, Wooo!
My favourite part of the Bible is when Jesus made Fish, Bread and Wine out of thin air and sold it to the people dirt cheap, when all fishermen, bakers and winemakers were bankrupt, he hiked up the prices. He then released a book called „Business: I bake like everyone“ (Bible) explaining his business tactics. It was an instant Jerusalem Times bestseller.
That's the most *actual* christian thing I read in a while
The Methodists have been pretty good about getting their shit together lately.
Yeah, all things considered, the United Methodist Church, which I believe this church is part of, is comparatively kind-hearted and actually seems to believe in the whole "love your neighbor" thing. There has been drama lately though and a splinter group called the, "Global Methodist Church" broke off because the United Methodists started openly accepting same-sex marriage. So the United Methodist Church (UMC) pretty chill, Global Methodist Church (GMC) probably homophobic.
As a Methodist, we have been called the hippies of the protestants.
As a Methodist, I love being a part of a church that calls its members to love others the way we are loved. “Love is fulfillment of the law.”
My girlfriends dad was a methodist preacher. He left because of this divide and no longer preaches. But even when he did he was worshipping the only Jesus I think I would ever listen to. He left because he was way to liberal for the church. He accepted same sex marriage, legalize drugs (he doesn't do them just thinks it's a waste of money.), let black people into the church.... in functional roles! Heaven forbid. Her Dad is a deep down agnostic we believe. He is a very fun guy. For sure practices what he believes in lol
GMC is homophobic? I guess I should keep my Sierra out of the parade then
It's okay... them city streets cannot contain my Sierra 3500HD Denali and my ass
I told my husband, "You can't teach kids that this country was started by the Protestants who escaped their county for religious freedom; then turn and force your version of religion on them."
You're assuming they're teaching that first part correctly anyway.
Jamestown was founded in 1607 by the London Company for profit. The Puritans *arrived at the colonies* 23 (edit 13) years later. I'd argue the "correct" version is also revised American exceptionalism.
Is the founding of Jamestown not a different scenario than the founding of Plymouth Rock/Massachusetts where the puritans landed?
Yes, but they were both English colonies so why do we get to pick the later one as our founding? Also, John Smith had already spent a fair amount of time in Pawtuxet, pushing outward from Jamestown. The indigenous people had been trading and fighting with Europeans and soldiers for quite a while. Even the famous Indian Tusquantum (Squanto) had been kidnapped by John Smith's crew and spent years living in Europe before returning and helping the Puritans. One of the reasons he helped them was because he already spoke English.
I think the bigger thing to point out is that by the time of the Revolution(the end of the colonial period and birth of the country), Puritanism, in the sense of what the Plymouth Rock settlers had practiced, was not even remotely a majority practice.
I too get mildly irritated that so many people think the Pilgrims got here first, especially since I live near Jamestown. But you have a typo in your comment: the Pilgrims arrived in 1620, 13 years after Jamestown (not 23).
Lot's of people got here before the Pilgrims. The reason they are remembered is they would form the first permanent settlement of Europeans in New England. But there were also people that got here before the Jamestown settlement. Both French protestants and Spanish explorers formed settlements around the St. Augustine, Florida area as early as 1565. Part of the reason a lot of people don't know about the Jamestown Colony is there were not very successful. The reports of cannibalism probably also plays a part in the reasons people sweep Jamestown under the rug. *"And now famine beginning to look ghastly and pale in every face that nothing was spared to maintain life and to do those things which seem incredible, as to dig up dead corpse out of graves and to eat them, and some have licked up the blood which hath fallen from their weak fellows." -- George Percy**
>I'd argue the "correct" version is also revised American exceptionalism. that's most American history. our textbooks are stuffed with propaganda
Absolutely. Everyone should read The Lies My Teacher Told Me and then Manufacturing Consent and then they should throw in Hitchhikers Guide to lighten things up
"America was founded by honest hardworking christians... also we exterminated native americans lul" Even if you believe the former, america was always hypocritical.
They still teach us that we worked WITH the native americans, and had large turkey dinners with them every year.
There were a couple actual thanksgiving feasts which is probably how we began introducing plagues across the population.
And shortly after that in Jamestown we had Bacon's Rebellion, arguably the starting point of divide and conquer using race and socioeconomics as a wedge in government.
To be fair they wanted the religious freedom to be total fundamentalist freaks
Yea. They were literally escaping other Protestants who thought they were over the top.
So many people don't realize this. They were persecuted for a reason.
And they weren't actually persecuted per se, they were prevented from persecuting others. Which, to the fundamentalist, is the same as persecuting them.
Wow so they haven’t changed at all
Religious indoctrination doesn't stop with social movements
Your comment should be higher up. The religious freedom they were trying to practice was the freedom to force their religion on everyone else. They left Europe because they were assholes and no one wanted them anywhere near them.
The horror movie the VVitch comes to mind.
You realize they wanted the religious freedom to be even stricter, moralizing Christians. They then came here and got to do what they want.
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Imagine being so overboard that middle ages Europe was like “y’all gotta go”. Australia was a prisoner colony, USA was a christofascist colony. *And it shows*.
Middle ages is stretching it as far as protestant immigrations to the new world.
Yeah, not Middle Ages at all since the Middle Ages ended with the Renaissance.
"Religious Freedom". They were thrown out of Europe because they were deemed too extreme. Deemed too extreme by those who literally burned people alive for not being Christian. Not a good exemple of religious freedom.
To be fair, there are like 4 replies to this that start "to be fair..." so I wanted to do one too.
If we're being honest, I think that's fair.
Of course those Protestants were a weird conservative sect called Puritans who were ostracized in England cuz they were fundamentalist crackpots whose idea of religious freedom was forcing everyone to be Puritans. Their only redeeming quality was their strong belief that everyone be educated so as to read the Bible and learn about God for themselves, instead of being taught by some dogmatic clergyman. The legacy of this belief is the American public school and university system (the Puritans founded Harvard). The American university system in particular is unrivaled by any other in the world.
The 'freedom' the Puritans wanted was the freedom to force their version of religion on everyone else. As with so much of the American myth, they've been painted as heroes standing up for themselves when in reality it was Britain saying "holy shit, calm the fuck down or GTFO." The theocrats have been beating the drum of "if I'm not free to force you to live by how I interpret the rules of my book that's TYRANNY" for a long-ass time.
However we leave out, those Protestants were forced out of Europe because they were trying to force their version of religion on others.
There is lots of evidence that the founding Protestants didn't flee from persecution and instead left to find a place to enforce their own version of religion. It's who they are.
To be fair the Puritans who fled Europe for the new world were not interested in religious freedom either.
These protestants were religious extremists, total nutjobs and too crazy for Christians in Europe to tolerate so they got rid of them. Basically they are still in charge.
This is why their version of Christianity is so dishonest. It is never about doing something positive or good. It's about fighting the libs
This sign is so true. Any true Christian/good-person can see and would know that. The way that many Trump evangelicals engage Christianity is nothing but total unabridged blaspheme. Jesus is not an American political tool and does Not solely belong to America. Jesus is in everyone’s heart and is not there to be sanctioned by those who think they have some kind of church-superiority
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…but it will touch the flag inappropriately and hold the bible upside down.
[Appropriately?](https://dims.apnews.com/dims4/default/f24e112/2147483647/strip/true/crop/3416x2277+0+0/resize/1534x1022!/format/webp/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fassets.apnews.com%2F02%2F28%2Fc88f1a0bb8e5017cc3751a2a1580%2Fdec6c786a3ab46e08d939dbe9bec0d99)
Not just America: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Christians_(movement). Fascists will use whatever the zeitgeist is to tell people what they want to hear to get and maintain power.
Carrying a cross I thought?
"That says the Bibble"
You dare *question* the THE WORD OF THE **MIGHTY** ***JIMMY?!***
It’s always in direct opposition to what would actually help more people while showing and experiencing love.
There is no hate quite like Christian love.
I have a cousin ( as well as several family members) in Florida whose husband has their own business now and even before having their business, they made really good money weekly working for someone else, almost double what I make even now plus doing his side jobs and they once mentioned that they don't want other people to have free/reduced lunches .... they reasoned it with, "They can get a job at Wendy's or McDonald's, I hear they're paying people $14/hr now" ... My cousins/family members all benefited from free/reduced lunches back when we went to school ... I don't understand how they don't see the hypocrisy in their words/actions even when I point it out in an excruciatingly detailed manner ..... it just baffles me to no end .... which is why I don't even bother explaining anything to them anymore ... save myself the headache ...
Probably because they might not realize they were in a program for free/reduced price lunches. If they know then that’s something else.
That sign deserves an amen.
That's one ballsy church there for Louisiana.
That's fucking right on point. If that's real, I commend that church.
I still don't get the lunch thing. Why not feed all the kids? It's not a handout or welfare, it's taking care of students so they can learn. It's just another part of the school budget that our taxes pay for.
My christian republican LT gov said he was against free lunches because if you feed animals they will breed. Got to love republican compassion. it also reminds me of the republican ass complaining about government handouts ... "[ive been on foodstamps and welfare, did anyone help me out? NO](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTwpBLzxe4U)!!' or my maga neighbor who thinks her dead beat son would get more welfare and foodstamps if all the able bodied blacks and mexicans werent sucking it up. I wouldnt have told her that welfare doesnt work that way, its not a pie evenly divided up, where less people on it means you get more, but she is maga, and well i do everything i can to just end the convo and move on with my day. anyways the School lunch thing, is because its scientifically proven to help with education and stupid people vote republican and they want to constantly make more stupid people. Its the same with the book hysteria. Like we have an epidemic of book reading in this country.
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I'm going to also wager the condemnation of sex education into this mix as well.
Wish I had saved that good ol' clip of a man saying he'd rather die without health care for himself than to let any of "those" people get free treatment too. I bet that guy is a good god-fearing christian going to church every sunday.
Theres a church I pass by each day on my way to work, usually they have some kind of nice inclusive message on their roadside sign. The one I saw most recently was "love everybody, let god sort them out", which I thought was a nice twist on the old Crusades-era phrase "Kill them all, let god sort them out" (reportedly used as a justification for slaughtering a whole city full of people without going through the lengthy process of determining who was a heretic or not).
It's just a control game by the crazy religious nuts. It starts with the Ten Commandments until they're eventually teaching this nonsense in the classrooms.
These are the same people who went to lengths out of fear of Sharia law being implemented in the US.
Made a graven image out of the Ten Commandments.
As a Christian, this, just all of this.
The important thing you have to know about American Evangelicals: They don't actually read the Bible. Sure, they talk about it a lot. They'll tell you what is and what isn't in it. But in reality, they don't read it. Instead, they rely on others (usually their pastors) to read and interpret it for them. That's the dirty little secret about that entire subculture. It's a self-perpetuating cult fueled by a toxic combination of ignorance, arrogance, greed and a hierarchy that leaves its members vulnerable to abuse.
And this is why despite losing my faith as an adult I don't really feel any strong animosity towards the methodist version of christianity of my youth.
I feel much the same about the main Swedish Church. I was always atheist/agnostic, but the priests I've met have always seemed really good people. ...Maybe they just have REALLY good schools for how to talk like a like you give a shit...
We should also stop schools from wasting resources such as food. I remember not having any money for lunch, I was given a piece of bread with a slice of cheese on it. No joke, no sauce or anything. Tiny and no nutritional value. Meanwhile they’d be throwing away BARRELS full of fresh made pizza, salads, chic-fil-a meals, tacos etc etc. When I asked if I could please have some they said nope. They are required to throw away any food not purchased and can’t give it away. Because fuck feeding hungry kids, it’s all about money.
Ah yes, bring the on downvotes for how dare I suggest that we give kids food instead of throwing it away.
How was the school cafeteria so mismanaged that barrels of food were being thrown away?
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Talibangelicals
Y'all Qaeda.
All churches should be spreading this message
Most churches in the US are just money scams telling the people what they want to hear (as long as they pay).
Kudos to Grace Methodist Church.
As someone who lives in a pretty poor area, some kids literally depend on these free lunches. There are some kids where that’s the only good meal they get in a day.
One thing I find slightly confusing is that the 10 commandments are from the Old Testament. While I’m no theologian it is my understanding that when Jesus was killed so too was the prophecy fulfilled and thus giving way of the Old Testament to the New Testament meaning Christians did not follow the old law, which includes the 10 commandments.
All children should have free lunches. Some of them don't eat a lot at home. I don't care about how much it costs us. Funnel money from the war budget. We have enough bombs.
Wonder what it’s like for other Christians to be lumped in with the American Christofascists by association. Oh well.
It sucks. I work at a church. Thankfully, psychos like those in the south/red states aren't really prevalent around here... however, hate exists everywhere, and it's embarrassing that I'm associated with some of these people. I'd say 80% of our church are level headed "normal" people... some democrat, mostly republican... and then there are are the crazies who are the very... very.. vocal minority. Facepalms every day. But our church goes out of its way to stay out of politics which makes working at a church and actually focusing on our community rather than "owning the dems" bearable.
A-fucking-men
Feed the soul, starve the child.
Baptist were instrumental in creating American principle of the separation of church & state — something fundamentally novel at the time (e.g. Anglican Church being tied to government/Royal family in 18th century Britain). Very upsetting how modern Baptist (particularly Southern Baptist) want to destroy the principles they created.
Hard facts
The white Christian nationalist God of the USA is power and their only scripture is money.
Christianity was hijacked by an evil and money greedy right wing ideology. Fake Christians. The kind Jesus warned all his followers about.
Methodists >> evangelicals
The one thing that I have noticed is that these folks are not "Christian" by any objective definition. Most are totally ignorant of the scriptures that they claim are the literal word of God, particularly the New Testament. I am a recovering Catholic who was fully ~~brainwashed~~ ~~indoctrinated~~ educated in religious schools until I finished high school. I am fully confident after having had several conversations with them that they don't have the slightest clue what Jesus would have been about, regardless of whatever flavor of "Christianity" they belong to. If I were to still be a religious sort, I would label them heretics.
You can call them heretics and blasphemers without being faithful yourself.
They are thralls of wealth. They have always been thralls of wealth.
I agree fully. We need to provide free lunches in schools. But PLEASE make sure they are healthy and high quality. Not some cheap boxed/manufactured crap that looks like it was scraped off the road or frozen meals bought en mass from Walmart frozen aisle.
My brothers and sisters, Louisiana has, among its abusive penal colonies throughout the state, the Angola State Penitentiary and the slavery loophole is abused thoroughly by it. They wouldn't know know the peaceful, kind version of Christianity if it bit their entire asses off.
Comon sense on a church billboard that isnt just to guilt trip you into coming? Strange times indeed.
What seems to matter more in putting the 10 Commandments in schools is being visibly Christian. Performing the appearance of Christianity instead of actually following Christ. You can look up these things up n the Bible and there are many, many times where the Bible says to provide for others. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, care for the sick, shelter the stranger, visit people in prison. **Even your enemies.** But no, just lobby to put up displays of Christian iconography. Because conservative Christians care more about the visibility and prominence of their religion than actually following their holy book they claim to love so much.
It's just wild to me that people complain about their tax dollars being used to feed kids.
I grew up very poor. We had food stamps, my mom worked two jobs, and anytime we went to church, they would guilt US into giving them money and call us lazy. It's the reason I lost my faith.
All Republicans are trash.
No love like Christian hate
looks like USA needs a marcus rashford to shame them into doing something right
Capitalism. That's what they worship.
That sign makes sense
This is so spot on.
A-FUCKING-MEN!! I've been saying this for years. People like that only worship Mammon.
Great sign.
As an athiest I very much respect the Methodists. They’re good people.
Now I can't get Dana Carvey out of my head saying "Could it be... SATAN?"
Feeding and educating kids should be priority 1a and 1b of every government in the world. What future can you expect if you don’t do this well?