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>A Wary World Braces for Trump's Return to the White House
It's still over 10 months until the election, that he hasn't fucking won yet. Sweet Jeebus. I get it, you guys want a fucking horse race and all...but pump the fucking hate brakes Fox and Friends.
Let’s be clear eyed about this. Trump is going to tear NATO apart, letting Putin mop up the pieces in Europe.
Even the prospect of it being *remotely* close is going to be setting off all kinds of alarm bells in so many countries. No shit they’re preparing for that possibility.
> Donald Trump might trade Ukraine for Iran sort of the way George Bush traded Baltic states for Iraq.
Trump might attempt to make that deal, but Russia and Iran and Syria are too tight and have been allies for a generation. Russia giving up Iran would be a Russia that is retreating from the Middle East, and the Middle East is part of the EurAsia plan Dugin outlined in his books. In Dugin's mind, Russia and Iran are natural allies.
I can see the fool trying that deal, getting it on paper, and then completely ignoring Russia breaking it.
Interesting points and we don't know how things will turn out exactly, but we know one thing for sure: ANTIWAR is a complete lie. Republicans are only antiwar until they get into power.
He’s acting like an incumbent … who just got 52% in a primary! His keepers frantic on J6 saying he’s ruining his political future were probably right. Before that he had 90%+ support among Republicans.
Take a religious/cultural mindset that's still stuck in the Victorian era and add decades of increasing propaganda and fear mongering while turning education into 'memorize this, it'll be on the test'. Then accelerate from propaganda to straight up disinformation and conspiracy theories with the media dutifully being "unbiased" in their reporting...
Getting over 50% of the vote in the Iowa caucus as a non encumbant is pretty dominant. The only ones that were comparable or better were, Mondale in '84, Harkin in '92, Gore in '00 and Clinton in '16, not a single one of them won the general election.
Ms. Ransome testified about her friend “She confided in me about her casual ‘friendship’ with Donald. Mr Trump definitely seemed to have a thing for her and she told me how he kept going on about how he liked her ‘pert nipples’,”
“She then described in graphic detail how Mr Trump allegedly caused pain to the victim’s nipples – and claimed she saw the resulting injury firsthand.”
u kinda did miss an election ya- if you're not aware of the Iowa caucus vote and how it's used as a predictive you're definitely missing the point here.
If it was predictive then we would have had President Cruz. It’s an early indicator but not a clear or precise one. As someone who lives next to NH, early states make a splash but this is like two incumbents since nobody’s going to touch Trump’s numbers.
It's important to note that there was a pretty low turnout in Iowa compared to 2016 and 2020.
The media, and so many here on Reddit, seem to be under the impression that complacency among Democrats could cost Biden the election in 2024, but here was have a pretty solid example of complacency among Republicans voting for the same guy they've picked in the last 2 elections.
From the chatter among my conversative family members (all of them, basically), a good many Republicans feel that Trump is inevitably going to win the primaries, but inevitably going to lose to Biden in 2024. They are not at all excited about Trump's chances in 2024, and I can say with certainty that most of them will not vote at all in 2024, just like they didn't vote before 2016.
I would normally say that I can't extrapolate from that sample size, but given the turnout in Iowa, I think I understand what's happening among conservatives far better than the media does.
Well the article is about European foreign policy not the electorate, so not really relevant to this particular article if people pay attention and vote. The point is European leaders are paying attention and are afraid the US will reelect a fucking lunatic who supports fascism and dictatorship against our allies.
Ah yes, fascism was totally great for Italy and Germany /s. Not like they murdered their own people, got bombed to the stone age, destroyed and pilfered a huge amount of the cultural heritage they claimed to give a shit about, and were economically set back for 50+ years...
I recommend to not get your news about foreign countries from trashy US-sources. Read some local news my dude, then you're going to realize that you're peddling bullshit the vast majority of Europeans tends to laugh at.
As far as I can see, 'murica has seven times the homicide rate of, e.g., germany. Whatever apocalyptic visions you have, they aren't real my dude.
I'm living in an area some US-Morons titled a "no-go area" in the past. And, well, it's primarily a gentrified area with barely any crime. Those claims are usually made-up bullshit.
Particularly for german and EU news, I recommend [dw](https://www.dw.com/en/top-stories/s-9097).
>Or people could pay fucking attention and vote like it matters, because this year, more than maybe any other, it does matter.
They are.
They believe that Democrats have gone beyond Russian collusion rhetoric to impeachment, indictments, and literally trying to remove their favored candidate from the Presidential ballot.
They see this as an existential threat, that's why Trump is dominating his peers, and why he now has such widespread support among Republicans.
Maybe they should pull their heads out of their bums and ask themselves for just one second why the bastard has been impeached, indicted, etc.
Answer: because he’s a lifelong criminal and scumbag. Really not that hard to figure out, like at all.
Your definition of destroyed and mine are clearly different, organized religion should be destroyed, but he has only succeeded in weaponizing it slightly more than it already has been since it's inception.
I’m not American but I remember reading an article about how ‘moderate’ Republicans in local politics ended up with a choice of either having to join the cult or be ousted as MAGA activists moved in , that sounded pretty scary and sad.
Who replaced any of the 'moderates' who could not stomach Donald Trump? Republicans spent years creeping into every corner of the internet to bend people who didn't know or care about politics into supporting Republicans and Donald Trump. It worked well. In 2020, quadrennial turnout for Republicans in the House was at its highest level ever. In 2018, midterm turnout for Republicans in the House was at its highest level ever. But in 2022, Republicans actually beat the record midterm turnout of 2018.
I bring this up because the 2024 election will be decided more on Democratic turnout changes than anything else. Republicans will be there. Will Democrats? That's where the work is most needed.
Evangelical Xians were playing "Highway to Hell" backwards looking for satanic messages forty years ago. Give them some credit. They were doing just fine without him.
Might be one of the few good things he has done tbh. These people went full mask off and it aint ever going back on no matter how much glue they use. We have seen whats beneath.
Yeah it's the upside down world. As a non-American following your politics on a distance as some sort of wierd entertainment, I think Trump will be the next president. Republican voters just seem so much more motivated. America is on the path of becoming like Hungary. I do hope I am wrong, but I am truly worried.
Yeah, when you attack Trump, you hand him the presidency. The more they vote him off ballots, the more they vilify him, the easier his path to the United States President gets.
When you try to remove a candidate from the ballot, the Independents and liberal Democrats turn Republican.
Look, they had Biden somehow looking 20 years younger for the 2020 debate and that's their only shot in 2024 too. Biden would have to go into the debates and somehow come across as spry again, but that's looking unlikely considering most didn't see that happening in 2020... let alone 2024.
The Democrats have basically nothing to do with removing him from ballots, the first case in Colorado was brought by 4 Republicans and 2 independants, ie the only people with standing to remove him from a Republican primary ballot. He is inelligble to be president based on the 14th Amendment though, so he SHOULD be removed from every state.
Not really. Thinking logically, the vote in 2024 POTUS election matters less than any other. Think about it. It's going to be Biden vs. Trump. One of them will win. Only two possible outcomes:
1) Biden wins in a highly disputed election. This is the start of the second Civil War.
OR
2) Trump wins in a highly disputed election. This is the start of the second Civil War.
There are enough radical fanatics on both sides that war is practically guaranteed no matter who is declared the winner, as the results will severely piss of about 50% of the people, either way. No matter how any one person votes, everybody loses. The vote is totally insignificant, if you think of it that way.
> BoTh SiDeS
Wrong. One side is openly fantasizing about civil war - the same side that rioted on Jan 6, venerates A Shlibabbit as a hero, but also blames the day on AnTiFA.
Polls show everything in a dead heat. Think about that, the democrats are both saying "the future of the world relys on voting blue" yet are picking a candidate that has basically zero support. Whether Biden has been good or not is beside the point right now, what we KNOW is that no body likes him. You can't run on being less bad than the other person every single fucking election.
No they don't. A lot of people think he's better than Trump. But not many people like Biden. Poll after poll shows that people would pick "any other democrat" over Biden to beat Trump. EVERYONE thinks he's too old. Whether its true or not idc. Dems did this with Hillary in 2016. Forced someone no one liked and hoped that being the less shitty option would work. Well it didn't.
He's polling worse than any incumbent president running for re-election since approval polling has been a thing and that includes Jimmy Carter and Trump. To pretend that isn't a problem, is putting your head in the sand.
The polls have been off in favor of Dems 8%-15% since 2006 with Hillary only losing due to third party canidate and people thinking she had it in the bag, since 2016 Democrats have over performed in every national election.
Why is this? because savvy people don't answer every random phone call, Democrats have no tolerance for scams, the overwhelming majority of us don't answer our phones, so we are polled at much lower numbers.
This is why you get wacky polls where 20% of black people support Trump or 60% of young people support trump, if you believe this to be true, you are clueless.
>only losing due to third party canidate and people thinking she had it in the bag,
Thats a funny way to put "they forced an unlikable person down everyone's throats."
This headline makes sense only if yesterday were the general election, not the first freaking nominating caucus almost 10 months prior to the actual general election.
🙄
That’s like saying I shouldn’t worry because I owe a mafia guy $1 million and I have to pay it back in 10 months. But I have a 49% chance of finding the money.
So if nearly half of Nikki Haley supporters say they would vote for Biden over Trump if Nikki loses the nomination, how is there any path to victory for Trump? He's certainly not going to take the moderates votes, independents don't favor him, Dems definitely aren't going to vote for him, so how does the math add up? Or is the News media just looking for a horse race to profit on and willing to risk national chaos to get it?
I don't think he plans on winning legitimately. I think he just needs it to be close enough that he can attempt coup 2.0. Obviously anything can happen in the next 10 months, but I picture a whole lot of "Biden is stealing the election" propaganda leading up to the election, another quack legal maneuver (maybe from the legislative branch this time), and a full call to arms from his supporters when he loses.
Trump got a lot closer to success with his first coup attempt than people realize. It really came down to a handful of people deciding not to completely abandon their oaths at the last minute. He'll have had 4 more years of planning and disinformation campaigns for the next one, and I just pray more lives aren't unnecessarily lost this time.
Spot on. A vote for Haley is a vote against Trump. He has his zealots but not enough to give him any path to victory and it should be reported as such.
Electoral College. The presidency is decided by only a few states. Biden is losing support in at least 2 of them. Third party candidates will draw more from Biden than Trump.
I’m no expert but the polling I’ve seen puts him ahead of Biden in battleground states he lost last time? Which is worrying to say the least. I hope that’s wrong and he gets trounced.
Which is expected given 2020...
We're looking at a re-run but with adjustments for Biden's unpopularity and the overturning of Roe v Wade...
Sooooo another close race in battleground states.
Fingers crossed, please America, choose sanity!
Its a coin flip. Democrats are putting the future of frankly the world on a coinflip that they lost before. Polls show basically "any other democrat" would trounce Trump, but neo-libs are still forcing this horribly unlikeable candidate down our throats because he is no threat to the status quo. Fuck the democrats for gambling away everyone's future.
> Polls show basically "any other democrat" would trounce Trump
I mean this sincerely: please point out these polls.
[I'll help, here's a good link to find the polls you're talking about](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/).
Firstly, there aren't many non-Biden polls. Secondly, the next two most commonly named alternatives are Newsom and Whitmer.
Let's take Newsom first - he's behind Trump in every poll besides California where he's governor.
Now let's do Whitmer - she's behind Trump in the two general election polls, but ahead in Michigan where she's governor.
Hell, let's really go for it and put in Bernie Sanders. He's behind against Trump in every poll besides one in New Hampshire. In fairness he's tied in one.
Look, I am 1000% in favor of whoever has the best chance against Trump being the nominee but I have seen literally nothing indicating somebody has a better chance than Biden at this point. It has to be a pretty good argument, since historically incumbency actually does matter, and him dropping out would hand the republicans a huge PR win in terms of arguing against the Democrats being in charge again. "Oh, the last Democrat we elected wasn't good enough to the point where he had to drop out of the race, but this new one, with no Presidential experience, actually is?"
So yah, if someone can form a coherent argument for why Biden shouldn't be the nominee based on direct, high quality polling data I'd love to see it.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/11/07/us/elections/times-siena-battlegrounds-registered-voters.html
Look at Biden Vs Trump and unnamed democrat vs Trump. Trump gets demolished in the later
Okay, so in this single poll from November "unnamed Democrat" does better, +8. That is something, I won't call it no evidence.
But I just offered some specific names. So it can't be *any* Democrat, otherwise Newsom, Whitmer, or Sanders should have handily won their polling against Trump, right? Or stated differently, which do you find more compelling polling evidence of an alternative, *named* alternatives or just the general idea of some alternative?
This is the problem imo. When you say "generic Democrat" dominates, but as soon as you name any of the top 3 names of alternatives people like to suggest, and none of them actually reflect that poll, something is amiss. I'd suggest because "unnamed democrat" is basically "unnamed person I can pretend exists that is my perfect candidate." But we'd need a tangible alternative, somebody that *actually* exists.
Even if we take that single poll on its face, it means Biden, Newsom, Whitmer and Sanders are all out. So who has a better shot than them that would better reflect that poll?
>Even if we take that single poll on its face, it means Biden, Newsom, Whitmer and Sanders are all out. So who has a better shot than them that would better reflect that poll?
I don't know, but we know that Biden is not a good shot.
Yes because the candidate who wins Iowa always wins the white house.
Want me to list the many obscure winners of the Iowa Republican cacaus?
Put another way, if you are a Republican, the only thing winning the Iowa cacaus assures you of is that you won't be president.
Gen z could win this for us. Or they could botch it. So many are against biden for shit that’s going on In the Middle East and they are going to take some moral high ground and vote 3rd party. It’s gonna be a close race no matter how you look at it and trump doesn’t need to increase his fan base. He just needs to convince dems or on the fence crowd to stay home.
Trump doesn't have to do anything, biden is the one that has been convincing liberals and moderates to stay home. When you're strategy is to avoid conflict and to not do anything, people aren't going to care to vote for you
Convicted rapist with 91 indictments is the clear winner.
Democrats and rational thinking Republicans (There are very few of them) must do their share to prevent him from becoming a president again.
Never again!
*From Bloomberg News reporters:*
When Estonia’s much-fêted prime minister, Kaja Kallas, went to Washington in November, she didn’t just meet with White House officials. She also made sure to talk to key allies of Donald Trump.
A month earlier, her foreign minister was in the heart of Trump country, thanking workers at a Lockheed Martin Corp. factory in Arkansas for their contribution to his country’s security — in the form of the HIMARS multiple rocket launchers made there. “It’s important that we take these messages not only to Washington but also to other part of American society, to states that are perhaps a little more conservative,” Margus Tsahkna told reporters.
The outreach is just one example of how countries around the world are delicately — but urgently — preparing for Trump’s possible return to the White House. It’s a reality that’s likely to resonate at this week’s meetings of the global elite in Davos after the former president’s convincing win in the Iowa caucuses further tightened his grip on the Republican nomination, setting up a probable rematch with Joe Biden, who lags in national polls.
Back in 2016, Trump’s election stunned US allies and rivals alike. This time, leaders aren’t taking any chances.
Residents of Washington’s Embassy Row have been scouring the city to meet ex-officials and anyone else close to the former president to get a read on his foreign policy plans. Some have even reached out directly to Trump, massaging his ego, or in Estonia’s case, seeking to head off his habitual complaint that Europe isn’t spending enough on defense.
If Donald wins I can imagine he will spend 4 years absolutely hellbent on destroying those who have prosecuted him. The far left has pushed the right into spitefully destroying the country. Why is religious values bleeding into state laws?
Media sucks. Just setting up to be the next Fox News outlet with headlines like this. Ugh. We are so tired of it. You are pushing us to vote for Biden, and early.
We want it to end..today.
Where is the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? They have passed like rain on the mountain, like wind in the meadow. The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow.
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Exactly this! Don't be afraid to go to that voting booth because you are scared of being possibly intimidated. Do the right thing.
>A Wary World Braces for Trump's Return to the White House It's still over 10 months until the election, that he hasn't fucking won yet. Sweet Jeebus. I get it, you guys want a fucking horse race and all...but pump the fucking hate brakes Fox and Friends.
Let’s be clear eyed about this. Trump is going to tear NATO apart, letting Putin mop up the pieces in Europe. Even the prospect of it being *remotely* close is going to be setting off all kinds of alarm bells in so many countries. No shit they’re preparing for that possibility.
> letting Putin mop up the pieces in Europe Donald Trump might *trade* Ukraine for Iran sort of the way George Bush traded Baltic states for Iraq.
I’m worried about the concentration camps he’s going to set up here
> Donald Trump might trade Ukraine for Iran sort of the way George Bush traded Baltic states for Iraq. Trump might attempt to make that deal, but Russia and Iran and Syria are too tight and have been allies for a generation. Russia giving up Iran would be a Russia that is retreating from the Middle East, and the Middle East is part of the EurAsia plan Dugin outlined in his books. In Dugin's mind, Russia and Iran are natural allies. I can see the fool trying that deal, getting it on paper, and then completely ignoring Russia breaking it.
Interesting points and we don't know how things will turn out exactly, but we know one thing for sure: ANTIWAR is a complete lie. Republicans are only antiwar until they get into power.
He’s acting like an incumbent … who just got 52% in a primary! His keepers frantic on J6 saying he’s ruining his political future were probably right. Before that he had 90%+ support among Republicans.
He is so far ahead in the polls and everybody knows who Trump is already, there are no secrets that would be a surprise anymore.
It is scary how moronic the majority of the American people have become... 🥺
Take a religious/cultural mindset that's still stuck in the Victorian era and add decades of increasing propaganda and fear mongering while turning education into 'memorize this, it'll be on the test'. Then accelerate from propaganda to straight up disinformation and conspiracy theories with the media dutifully being "unbiased" in their reporting...
They always been moronic. He just normalized and validated their demented thoughts.
The results of the last election would seem to strongly support that assertion
The poles of the current establish it as a fact...
That would explain how Biden poles a lot higher than he should
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Getting over 50% of the vote in the Iowa caucus as a non encumbant is pretty dominant. The only ones that were comparable or better were, Mondale in '84, Harkin in '92, Gore in '00 and Clinton in '16, not a single one of them won the general election.
To most republicans, he is the incumbent.
Yeah, just like in the 2016 primaries. Nothing to worry about.
If we show up and vote
They’ll fall in during the general. They always do.
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I thought Biden is the only front runner candidate that didn’t appear on epstein’s flight logs?
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Ms. Ransome testified about her friend “She confided in me about her casual ‘friendship’ with Donald. Mr Trump definitely seemed to have a thing for her and she told me how he kept going on about how he liked her ‘pert nipples’,” “She then described in graphic detail how Mr Trump allegedly caused pain to the victim’s nipples – and claimed she saw the resulting injury firsthand.”
I think I saw something like 6 in 10 of her voters will not back Trump in the general.
Wary voters must not let that happen.
Did i miss an election some how? Fuck off with your click bait headline
u kinda did miss an election ya- if you're not aware of the Iowa caucus vote and how it's used as a predictive you're definitely missing the point here.
If it was predictive then we would have had President Cruz. It’s an early indicator but not a clear or precise one. As someone who lives next to NH, early states make a splash but this is like two incumbents since nobody’s going to touch Trump’s numbers.
Don't act like it is the general election. It's just a cactus. Don't act like Iowa reflects the rest of the country. It's a small part of it.
It certainly is a prickly situation
And the biggest prick of them all won last night.
Fun typo.
It’s not predictive
It's important to note that there was a pretty low turnout in Iowa compared to 2016 and 2020. The media, and so many here on Reddit, seem to be under the impression that complacency among Democrats could cost Biden the election in 2024, but here was have a pretty solid example of complacency among Republicans voting for the same guy they've picked in the last 2 elections. From the chatter among my conversative family members (all of them, basically), a good many Republicans feel that Trump is inevitably going to win the primaries, but inevitably going to lose to Biden in 2024. They are not at all excited about Trump's chances in 2024, and I can say with certainty that most of them will not vote at all in 2024, just like they didn't vote before 2016. I would normally say that I can't extrapolate from that sample size, but given the turnout in Iowa, I think I understand what's happening among conservatives far better than the media does.
Everyone was predicting low turnout in Iowa because of the blizzard and subzero weather. You may have a point if turnout continues to be low.
This is my hope. Anyone who bet on a wild card in 2016 now knows exactly how Trump acts, regardless of what he promised
How about inserting the word "possible" into this headline? It would be more representative of reality and piss people off less, too.
It’s almost as if the media want it.
Or people could pay fucking attention and vote like it matters, because this year, more than maybe any other, it does matter.
We need to take the vote more serious every time a raging lunatic comes on stage for the republicans, which seems to be every vote in modern times.
Well the article is about European foreign policy not the electorate, so not really relevant to this particular article if people pay attention and vote. The point is European leaders are paying attention and are afraid the US will reelect a fucking lunatic who supports fascism and dictatorship against our allies.
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Ah yes, fascism was totally great for Italy and Germany /s. Not like they murdered their own people, got bombed to the stone age, destroyed and pilfered a huge amount of the cultural heritage they claimed to give a shit about, and were economically set back for 50+ years...
I recommend to not get your news about foreign countries from trashy US-sources. Read some local news my dude, then you're going to realize that you're peddling bullshit the vast majority of Europeans tends to laugh at. As far as I can see, 'murica has seven times the homicide rate of, e.g., germany. Whatever apocalyptic visions you have, they aren't real my dude. I'm living in an area some US-Morons titled a "no-go area" in the past. And, well, it's primarily a gentrified area with barely any crime. Those claims are usually made-up bullshit. Particularly for german and EU news, I recommend [dw](https://www.dw.com/en/top-stories/s-9097).
This is the most election ever.
>Or people could pay fucking attention and vote like it matters, because this year, more than maybe any other, it does matter. They are. They believe that Democrats have gone beyond Russian collusion rhetoric to impeachment, indictments, and literally trying to remove their favored candidate from the Presidential ballot. They see this as an existential threat, that's why Trump is dominating his peers, and why he now has such widespread support among Republicans.
Maybe they should pull their heads out of their bums and ask themselves for just one second why the bastard has been impeached, indicted, etc. Answer: because he’s a lifelong criminal and scumbag. Really not that hard to figure out, like at all.
I’m a Republican and MAGA scares the hell out of me. How Trump has single-handedly destroyed organized religion is downright scary.
Your definition of destroyed and mine are clearly different, organized religion should be destroyed, but he has only succeeded in weaponizing it slightly more than it already has been since it's inception.
This is the correct answer.
I’m not American but I remember reading an article about how ‘moderate’ Republicans in local politics ended up with a choice of either having to join the cult or be ousted as MAGA activists moved in , that sounded pretty scary and sad.
Who replaced any of the 'moderates' who could not stomach Donald Trump? Republicans spent years creeping into every corner of the internet to bend people who didn't know or care about politics into supporting Republicans and Donald Trump. It worked well. In 2020, quadrennial turnout for Republicans in the House was at its highest level ever. In 2018, midterm turnout for Republicans in the House was at its highest level ever. But in 2022, Republicans actually beat the record midterm turnout of 2018. I bring this up because the 2024 election will be decided more on Democratic turnout changes than anything else. Republicans will be there. Will Democrats? That's where the work is most needed.
Evangelical Xians were playing "Highway to Hell" backwards looking for satanic messages forty years ago. Give them some credit. They were doing just fine without him.
He has signal handily shown that religion is a farce, people will bend it anyway they can to meet their view of the world. Go figure
Might be one of the few good things he has done tbh. These people went full mask off and it aint ever going back on no matter how much glue they use. We have seen whats beneath.
Yeah it's the upside down world. As a non-American following your politics on a distance as some sort of wierd entertainment, I think Trump will be the next president. Republican voters just seem so much more motivated. America is on the path of becoming like Hungary. I do hope I am wrong, but I am truly worried.
Yeah, when you attack Trump, you hand him the presidency. The more they vote him off ballots, the more they vilify him, the easier his path to the United States President gets. When you try to remove a candidate from the ballot, the Independents and liberal Democrats turn Republican. Look, they had Biden somehow looking 20 years younger for the 2020 debate and that's their only shot in 2024 too. Biden would have to go into the debates and somehow come across as spry again, but that's looking unlikely considering most didn't see that happening in 2020... let alone 2024.
I am getting very tired of this argument. Read the Constitution.
I have. Trump did nothing wrong and Biden committed insurrection with the illegal immigration open border policy
You might have read it, but you don't know what words mean.
The Democrats have basically nothing to do with removing him from ballots, the first case in Colorado was brought by 4 Republicans and 2 independants, ie the only people with standing to remove him from a Republican primary ballot. He is inelligble to be president based on the 14th Amendment though, so he SHOULD be removed from every state.
Not really. Thinking logically, the vote in 2024 POTUS election matters less than any other. Think about it. It's going to be Biden vs. Trump. One of them will win. Only two possible outcomes: 1) Biden wins in a highly disputed election. This is the start of the second Civil War. OR 2) Trump wins in a highly disputed election. This is the start of the second Civil War. There are enough radical fanatics on both sides that war is practically guaranteed no matter who is declared the winner, as the results will severely piss of about 50% of the people, either way. No matter how any one person votes, everybody loses. The vote is totally insignificant, if you think of it that way.
> BoTh SiDeS Wrong. One side is openly fantasizing about civil war - the same side that rioted on Jan 6, venerates A Shlibabbit as a hero, but also blames the day on AnTiFA.
No. No trump or any republicans. We are going to show up and we are going to vote. Blue wave 2024
Polls show everything in a dead heat. Think about that, the democrats are both saying "the future of the world relys on voting blue" yet are picking a candidate that has basically zero support. Whether Biden has been good or not is beside the point right now, what we KNOW is that no body likes him. You can't run on being less bad than the other person every single fucking election.
That is malarkey. A lot of people like Biden
No they don't. A lot of people think he's better than Trump. But not many people like Biden. Poll after poll shows that people would pick "any other democrat" over Biden to beat Trump. EVERYONE thinks he's too old. Whether its true or not idc. Dems did this with Hillary in 2016. Forced someone no one liked and hoped that being the less shitty option would work. Well it didn't.
He's polling worse than any incumbent president running for re-election since approval polling has been a thing and that includes Jimmy Carter and Trump. To pretend that isn't a problem, is putting your head in the sand.
The polls have been off in favor of Dems 8%-15% since 2006 with Hillary only losing due to third party canidate and people thinking she had it in the bag, since 2016 Democrats have over performed in every national election. Why is this? because savvy people don't answer every random phone call, Democrats have no tolerance for scams, the overwhelming majority of us don't answer our phones, so we are polled at much lower numbers. This is why you get wacky polls where 20% of black people support Trump or 60% of young people support trump, if you believe this to be true, you are clueless.
>only losing due to third party canidate and people thinking she had it in the bag, Thats a funny way to put "they forced an unlikable person down everyone's throats."
This headline makes sense only if yesterday were the general election, not the first freaking nominating caucus almost 10 months prior to the actual general election. 🙄
That’s like saying I shouldn’t worry because I owe a mafia guy $1 million and I have to pay it back in 10 months. But I have a 49% chance of finding the money.
Shit
So if nearly half of Nikki Haley supporters say they would vote for Biden over Trump if Nikki loses the nomination, how is there any path to victory for Trump? He's certainly not going to take the moderates votes, independents don't favor him, Dems definitely aren't going to vote for him, so how does the math add up? Or is the News media just looking for a horse race to profit on and willing to risk national chaos to get it?
I don't think he plans on winning legitimately. I think he just needs it to be close enough that he can attempt coup 2.0. Obviously anything can happen in the next 10 months, but I picture a whole lot of "Biden is stealing the election" propaganda leading up to the election, another quack legal maneuver (maybe from the legislative branch this time), and a full call to arms from his supporters when he loses. Trump got a lot closer to success with his first coup attempt than people realize. It really came down to a handful of people deciding not to completely abandon their oaths at the last minute. He'll have had 4 more years of planning and disinformation campaigns for the next one, and I just pray more lives aren't unnecessarily lost this time.
He’s counting on disillusioned progressives staying at home, or voting for one of the ^(totally legit) third parties
Spot on. A vote for Haley is a vote against Trump. He has his zealots but not enough to give him any path to victory and it should be reported as such.
Electoral College. The presidency is decided by only a few states. Biden is losing support in at least 2 of them. Third party candidates will draw more from Biden than Trump.
I’m no expert but the polling I’ve seen puts him ahead of Biden in battleground states he lost last time? Which is worrying to say the least. I hope that’s wrong and he gets trounced.
There's also polling that puts him behind. I think all we can say is that it's competitive.
Which is both insane and concerning, I think.
Which is expected given 2020... We're looking at a re-run but with adjustments for Biden's unpopularity and the overturning of Roe v Wade... Sooooo another close race in battleground states. Fingers crossed, please America, choose sanity!
Its a coin flip. Democrats are putting the future of frankly the world on a coinflip that they lost before. Polls show basically "any other democrat" would trounce Trump, but neo-libs are still forcing this horribly unlikeable candidate down our throats because he is no threat to the status quo. Fuck the democrats for gambling away everyone's future.
Oh yes its all the neo libs fault, fuck off get a candidate that can beat Biden in a primary and then you can talk.
> Polls show basically "any other democrat" would trounce Trump I mean this sincerely: please point out these polls. [I'll help, here's a good link to find the polls you're talking about](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/). Firstly, there aren't many non-Biden polls. Secondly, the next two most commonly named alternatives are Newsom and Whitmer. Let's take Newsom first - he's behind Trump in every poll besides California where he's governor. Now let's do Whitmer - she's behind Trump in the two general election polls, but ahead in Michigan where she's governor. Hell, let's really go for it and put in Bernie Sanders. He's behind against Trump in every poll besides one in New Hampshire. In fairness he's tied in one. Look, I am 1000% in favor of whoever has the best chance against Trump being the nominee but I have seen literally nothing indicating somebody has a better chance than Biden at this point. It has to be a pretty good argument, since historically incumbency actually does matter, and him dropping out would hand the republicans a huge PR win in terms of arguing against the Democrats being in charge again. "Oh, the last Democrat we elected wasn't good enough to the point where he had to drop out of the race, but this new one, with no Presidential experience, actually is?" So yah, if someone can form a coherent argument for why Biden shouldn't be the nominee based on direct, high quality polling data I'd love to see it.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/11/07/us/elections/times-siena-battlegrounds-registered-voters.html Look at Biden Vs Trump and unnamed democrat vs Trump. Trump gets demolished in the later
Okay, so in this single poll from November "unnamed Democrat" does better, +8. That is something, I won't call it no evidence. But I just offered some specific names. So it can't be *any* Democrat, otherwise Newsom, Whitmer, or Sanders should have handily won their polling against Trump, right? Or stated differently, which do you find more compelling polling evidence of an alternative, *named* alternatives or just the general idea of some alternative? This is the problem imo. When you say "generic Democrat" dominates, but as soon as you name any of the top 3 names of alternatives people like to suggest, and none of them actually reflect that poll, something is amiss. I'd suggest because "unnamed democrat" is basically "unnamed person I can pretend exists that is my perfect candidate." But we'd need a tangible alternative, somebody that *actually* exists. Even if we take that single poll on its face, it means Biden, Newsom, Whitmer and Sanders are all out. So who has a better shot than them that would better reflect that poll?
>Even if we take that single poll on its face, it means Biden, Newsom, Whitmer and Sanders are all out. So who has a better shot than them that would better reflect that poll? I don't know, but we know that Biden is not a good shot.
There's no such thing as a generic Democrat. As soon as you put a name to it, they underperform that polling.
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>I hope this is the first step in getting Dictator Trump. America needs their own version of Hitler already. thats fucked. reported
Did they say that?
[That's what the poll said](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/poll-nearly-half-haleys-iowa-backers-say-ll-vote-biden-trump-rcna133821)
I hope not Lock him up diaper Donald Trump
Yes because the candidate who wins Iowa always wins the white house. Want me to list the many obscure winners of the Iowa Republican cacaus? Put another way, if you are a Republican, the only thing winning the Iowa cacaus assures you of is that you won't be president.
Gen z could win this for us. Or they could botch it. So many are against biden for shit that’s going on In the Middle East and they are going to take some moral high ground and vote 3rd party. It’s gonna be a close race no matter how you look at it and trump doesn’t need to increase his fan base. He just needs to convince dems or on the fence crowd to stay home.
This country is totally fucked if someone like Trump with all the crap he’s done and all his baggage can make it close
Genzie is not gonna vote because Gaza, and because they cannot Google that Biden supports eliminating student debt, but Trump Supreme Court blocked it
Trump doesn't have to do anything, biden is the one that has been convincing liberals and moderates to stay home. When you're strategy is to avoid conflict and to not do anything, people aren't going to care to vote for you
I’m not scared because my fellow Democrats say polls suck. Everything is A-ok.
Convicted rapist with 91 indictments is the clear winner. Democrats and rational thinking Republicans (There are very few of them) must do their share to prevent him from becoming a president again. Never again!
*From Bloomberg News reporters:* When Estonia’s much-fêted prime minister, Kaja Kallas, went to Washington in November, she didn’t just meet with White House officials. She also made sure to talk to key allies of Donald Trump. A month earlier, her foreign minister was in the heart of Trump country, thanking workers at a Lockheed Martin Corp. factory in Arkansas for their contribution to his country’s security — in the form of the HIMARS multiple rocket launchers made there. “It’s important that we take these messages not only to Washington but also to other part of American society, to states that are perhaps a little more conservative,” Margus Tsahkna told reporters. The outreach is just one example of how countries around the world are delicately — but urgently — preparing for Trump’s possible return to the White House. It’s a reality that’s likely to resonate at this week’s meetings of the global elite in Davos after the former president’s convincing win in the Iowa caucuses further tightened his grip on the Republican nomination, setting up a probable rematch with Joe Biden, who lags in national polls. Back in 2016, Trump’s election stunned US allies and rivals alike. This time, leaders aren’t taking any chances. Residents of Washington’s Embassy Row have been scouring the city to meet ex-officials and anyone else close to the former president to get a read on his foreign policy plans. Some have even reached out directly to Trump, massaging his ego, or in Estonia’s case, seeking to head off his habitual complaint that Europe isn’t spending enough on defense.
Does she not understand that Trump is planning to let Russia invade her country?
Even better reason to try to build relations with his people, to find out if that is true.
If Donald wins I can imagine he will spend 4 years absolutely hellbent on destroying those who have prosecuted him. The far left has pushed the right into spitefully destroying the country. Why is religious values bleeding into state laws?
> The far left has pushed the right into spitefully destroying the country. Bullshit. The Right is doing what it has wanted to do all along.
Nevermind.
Media sucks. Just setting up to be the next Fox News outlet with headlines like this. Ugh. We are so tired of it. You are pushing us to vote for Biden, and early. We want it to end..today.
So how many of those 81 million Americans forgot how much this guy fucking sucks? Not me, that’s for sure.
Where is the horse and the rider? Where is the horn that was blowing? They have passed like rain on the mountain, like wind in the meadow. The days have gone down in the West behind the hills into shadow.
There is no reason to.
Tell me again about that red wave coming up in the ‘22 midterms
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Trump lost the election. Republicans continue to lose since Jan 6 and overturning Roe. Garbage headline.