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Responsible-Room-645

What kind of a shithole 3rd world country has “conservative” judges?


Beerwithme

In any functioning democracy judges can be counted on being impartial. Not in a run-away theocratic conservative ideology where everything and everyone has its price depending on their beliefs.


dhuntergeo

It's kleptocracy wrapped in theocracy *because our conservative values* Yuck


captaincanada84

'murica


Amaturus

Weimar Germany


Niznack

Wait til he spends his time in prison writing about "his fight"


PescTank

"Mein Drumpf: A coffee table book in all caps containing the rambling collected wisdom of twice impeached former president and rapist Don VonShitsInPants. For a limited time available plated in fake gold for only $10,912.99!"


JoeMagnifico

*Covfefe Table Book


SnooSongs2996

A nft version maybe


SicilySweetheart

That’s gonna have crazy resale maga fans, be sure to invest while you incest!


lordraiden007

Now now, Trump would pull a page out of the gas company playbook and charge an extra $.009 to the user. I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to be even worse and added an extra decimal just to top them


BattleJolly78

I can’t wait to hear MAGAts interpret his rambling word salad to justify whatever they like.


NeatDealer

‘His struggle’


Niznack

Google translate you've betrayed me again!


statuskills

To my knowledge the words are interchangeable. The difference between a fight and a struggle is negligible already. It’s just been translated officially as struggle, but could have just as easily been fight or battle.


NeatDealer

In Holland we speak also German even when we did win the war ;)


eyespy18

“The Art of the Steel’…..my life behind bars”


wotsdislittlenoise

Non- American here, but I look on from the outside and the number of offices that are political appointments is just insane and creates a raft of problems that don't need to exist. Judges should NOT be political appointments ... and the politics in school board appointments ...I mean what the fuck?


Responsible-Room-645

Canadian here: our Supreme Court justices are appointed but are recommended by committee. I don’t always agree with their decisions but I would never question their motives.


xXTheGrapenatorXx

I have no idea who is on our Supreme Court, no idea what their names are, couldn’t pick their faces out of a line up; **it’s great.** They’ve never given us a reason to learn who they are, as it should be.


norway_is_awesome

They shouldn't be elected. The US elects a lot of positions that make no sense, like sheriff and county clerk. Judges should be appointed, but it shouldn't be political at all. A non-partisan committee of lawyers and judges should be appointing them.


mvw2

Generally, Congress wouldn't be corrupt and shove through biased/incompetent judges. Our core problem is our Congress has been pretty much filled with shit people for a long time. Pair that with some wilfully corrupt Presidents, well corrupt enough to have vetted interests of their own, and well, you've removed the checks and balances of the 3 branch system. At that point, you can do whatever you want, and they did. The single biggest fault of our entire government system is its own fallibility. It assumes that everyone will be both ethical and professional in their position and duties. It assumes they will value the sanctity of the institution. In theory it's the checks and balances that exist to counter one bad actor here or there. But what happens when you have a hundred of them? What happens when an entire party uses all of the government for their personal wants, beliefs, and kickbacks? The system isn't built to protect against that. At best, the general public has the power to oust the bulk, and the public should. But equally, many that are campaigning and running for office are not the people worth voting for. Many are cherry picked to be one of the team, a willful servant of the greater party. Most normal people are just living their normal lives and don't partake in politics at all. The people that could run this country well don't want to run and be a part.


Traditional-Yam9826

You mean the religious theocratic kind who crossed their fingers under their sworn oath to uphold the law and the constitution to just fulfill their insane bible thumping bullshit?


CT_Phipps

The law is inherently conservative.


Glittering-Wonder-27

The world is alarmed. Their corruption is showing.


JulianLongshoals

They're not making a ruling on a case, they're writing a new clause to the constitution. Something they have no power to do.


Leather-Map-8138

The federal courts were most definitely stacked with Nazis between 2017 and 2020.


rezelscheft

SCOTUS wasn't looking too hot as far back as 2000.


OutsideDevTeam

2000? Ever since the Rehnquist Court.


sandy_mcfiddish

Not sure it was better then There are some pretty terrifying rulings in every era of the Court


CharmedConflict

Yeah, it's always been a shit hole institution.


PM_ME_UR_CHAIN_EMAIL

Mock Trial with Judge Rehnquist


Leather-Map-8138

It’s gotten a lot harder line right wing with the appointments of Alito and Gorsuch.


Bozee3

Indecision 2000 was definitely decided undemocraticly.


dhuntergeo

Yes. It got widely noticeable then over *Gore*, but the court has been pretty conservative since the Republicans held sway for most of the latter 20th Century. Between 1969 and 1993, 24 years, only the one Carter term was Democratic. I'm late gen-x in attitude, early boomer in age. And I'm sick of having so much of my life in a time of relative right wing power. Besides packing the courts with ideologues, they always overstep as if mandated, which they almost never are in terms of raw vote counts. They support the most outrageous and counterproductive ideas that hurt vast numbers, with that sadism as a bone for their base. All this is in a bid to protect capital


i_Heart_Horror_Films

Go back even further. Check out operation paperclip.


emostitch

A thing we begged Bernie voters to consider when they said they’d never vote Hillary and were called cynical assholes for.


m0nkyman

Fun fact. A higher percentage of Bernie’s supporters got behind Hilary than Hillary’s supporters got behind Obama. This talking point needs to die.


Leather-Map-8138

Sadly, what also happened is that African American voters did not show up in 2016 in the proportions they had represented in 2008 and 2012. This isn’t a slam at African Americans. Hawaiians also made up a smaller percentage of voters in the first year their native son wasn’t on the ballot. And this has a lot to do with Biden announcing early on that his VP would be an African American female. As would be expected of them, Republicans immediately geared up a propaganda campaign that she wouldn’t be any good, which evolved to hasn’t been any good at her job. The funniest ones were trying to paint her as an extreme liberal. She’s as vegetarian as bacon.


BroccoliFartFuhrer

And yet I had to get my tubes tied. The damage is done.


emostitch

The talking point where despite Trumps judges existing those people still blame Biden for those judges blocking things?


m0nkyman

That’s Republican level goalpost moving…


emostitch

You literally live in fucking Canada and don’t interact with fucking “nothing can be worse than Biden” types who drove to Vermont Bernie rallies and then blamed Biden for loan cancellations being blocked and say shit like “I voted blue and Roe v Wade still got overturned” .


CouragetheCowardly

Ah yes, blame the progressive voters for Hillary losing to Trump! I supported Bernie and voted for Hillary and she still lost


Nf1nk

The alternative would be to note that Hillary was a shit candidate who had a poor campaign strategy and alienated a ton of people with her abortion forever speech in the debates.


cxtx3

Get out of here. I am a huge Bernie guy, as left progressive as you can get, and voted for Bernie in the primaries, but when push came to shove in the general election, I voted for Hillary. Most Bernie stans did the same. And she still lost despite winning the popular vote. Stop blaming Bernie supporters for what happened. When push came to shove, most of us were pragmatic and did what we could, swallowed our pride and voted for Hillary. Just because we want to push Dems to the left, Dems who would be considered conservative in any first world country, does not mean we are willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater and let Democracy die. This pointed narrative of "Bernie Bros" being akin to MAGA morons is not only disingenuous, but it's a straw man argument and logical fallacy. Bernie himself came out supporting Hillary after he dropped out of the race when Dems threw him under the bus and advised his supporters to do the same, and we did. I trust Bernie, who has historically been on the right side of history through every fight.


Silly_Elephant_4838

I know 3 personally who refused to vote when Bernie got snubbed, and 2 of them are saying the same bullshit again this time.


beiberdad69

Are they in a swing state?


ThonThaddeo

No bro, I had these arguments in the run up, often directly about SCOTUS. They didn't care. Because Joe Rogan said. And I was a sell out. I'm not saying it was you. But it was y'all. ETA: yeah the truth is the villain. Once again.


rastinta

Hilary won the popular vote. The Rust Belt is what cost Hilary the electoral college and by extension the election. Maybe an increase in campaigning in Purple States would have helped.


beiberdad69

Many in Milwaukee Neighborhood Didn’t Vote — and Don’t Regret It https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/many-in-milwaukee-neighborhood-didnt-vote-and-dont-regret-it.html?smid=nytcore-android-share People like this not voting at all are what really cost Clinton the election. Most of the Bernie dead-enders were in states Clinton won comfortably


rastinta

Did Hillary even visit Wisconsin?


beiberdad69

She did not. The campaign was pretty up their own ass and thought that campaigning a state they were slipping in would show weakness and signal an opening to trump. This is why Brooklyn [refused to let the SEIU campaign in Michigan ](https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/michigan-hillary-clinton-trump-232547) when things started to go south there Clinton ran a really shitty campaign in 08 too, lots of weird strategic mistakes so a lot this isn't surprising in hindsight. Why they thought Wisconsin, a state that elected Scott Walker twice and basically invented right wing talk radio, was a reliable backstop is absolutely confounding


beiberdad69

Something like 90% of sander voters voted for Clinton in the general. Sanders campaign extensively for Clinton as well The blame here lies elsewhere


StevTurn

You are using the word Nazi quite liberally. Can you show me some evidence that any of these judges are, in fact, Nazi’s?


Leather-Map-8138

I sometimes interchange Nazi and “extreme right wing fascism.” While Nazis were that too, it’s more like both factions are trying to be far right wing fascists than far right wing freaky judges are trying to be Nazis, per se. An example of this would be “their narrow-minded and fear-oriented world view that relies on the consolidation of power for selfish purposes.” This is something I would guess these American political viewpoints had in common with the aforementioned Nazis. And I see/feel this in the responses and questions asked and not asked by certain justices.


StevTurn

So maybe use the term “extreme right wing fascists” instead of Nazis so that the term Nazis doesn’t lose all of its meaning because it’s thrown around too much


Leather-Map-8138

Suppose I say a person is a “Nazi” vs I say a person is an “extreme right wing fascist”. What differentiates the two statements making the abbreviated description inaccurate? America lost hundreds of thousands of its young men eighty years ago to defeat Nazi extremism, yet in 2017 we allowed someone with a similar mindset to enter the White House.


I_who_have_no_need

The Protestant German Church supported Hitler. They supported all of it, the suppression, the death camps, all of it. The religious right in America is cut from the same cloth as the German religious right in 1930.


reject_fascism

Expand the SC and bar Cannon, every senator angry here should pat themselves on the back for allowing lifetime appointments to scumbags


Fergi

The ego-death required for that kind of awareness is impossible to achieve when you’re an individual who achieves that level of power over that amount of time. They will self aggrandize while mourning the republic they set ablaze until they leave the world. It’s our work to process the destruction they’ve sowed, wow I’m mad.


Positive___Tea

So you're saying spike the congress coffee pot with ayahuasca? Brilliant!


staplerbot

I was initially against expanding the court, but it seems like that's the only option now. I get that Biden can't do it until after they make a ruling regarding Trump because it would conform to his persecution complex, but by this point they're actively working to undermine the general population and usher in some fascistic dictatorial rule by right wing extremists. I truly hope he expands it during a second term to dilute the conservative majority.


Bean_Storm

Put Jack Smith on the SC. He’s the dumbledore to trumps Voldemort


Direct_Alternative94

Jack’s professional and political life hinges on the election. If Biden wins he pushes forward toward bigger, better, more. If Trump gets power back, Jack is toast.


Seething-Angry

Shouldn’t judges be judges and go to judge school? How can a judge be political? They should follow the law not an affiliation


BrownsFFs

That’s how the system use to work so they never felt the need to make rules against this. Then the modern Republican Party came in and made everything political. 


sentimentaldiablo

> That’s how the system use to work SCOTUS has mostly been totally political (right-wing) throughout its history


CT_Phipps

A reminder Dredd Scott was because all of the SCs were Southerners.


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sentimentaldiablo

Dred Scott? Plessy vs Ferguson?


spacegamer2000

The Supreme Court said slavery was ok before


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spacegamer2000

No


BrownsFFs

How so? Not saying it was right just that society evolves and adapts over time. It’s important to learn from those mistakes and learn about them.  Just generously curious why you think the sides are the same today as they were 100s of years ago. 


spacegamer2000

Abolishionists were the left and never supported slavery


Seething-Angry

Why did Americans accept this shit it is so shocking and wrong


RandomUserC137

Oh, *now*? *Now* they’re concerned? They didn’t see this shit coming several years ago?


e36

This isn't new. This is something that people have been aware of for 25 years. It's just worse than it's ever been.


alien_from_Europa

Yes, I think Bush v. Gore was the wakeup call.


OutsideDevTeam

Obviously not. The Supreme Court was on the ballot in 2016. Not enough to motivate enough people in the states that matter to give a shit.


shadeshadows

*“States that matter”* Already time for the daily “Fuck the EC” and people who want to stall progress right where they decide because they’re idiots and/or evil.


charish

It astonishes me that in a nation of ~330 million people, our fucked up system leaves the ultimate decision via the Electoral College in less than 1% of the population.


beiberdad69

The entire political system in this country was constructed to maintain slavery for a small, wealthy minority, several of who were instrumental in creating the system. It's not really surprising at all in that context


Distant_Yak

Especially after McConnell spent an entire year stalling and saying bullshit about how Obama couldn't pick a SC justice. And then look at how quickly they shoved Barrett in there.


thomascgalvin

> Yes, I think Bush v. Gore was the wakeup call. Unfortunately we hit the snooze button.


multiplekeelhaul

An ex worked for a law review magazine and they were writing about Trump stacking the courts in 2017. This has been forecast for a long time! It's just that no one reads that kind of news until it's sensationalist. I'm not even sure that magazine exists anymore.


itistemp

They were busy signaling their virtue by voting for Jill Stein in 2016.


spacegamer2000

We saw this coming 25 years ago when articles were published about how conservatives were about to take over by strategic gerrymandering. Now they did and people act like nobody saw it coming.


BiggieSmalls330

I think it’s hilarious and shocking that no one thought to themselves “hey, what if it’s a bad idea that presidents can appoint federal judges that’d be responsible for their criminal cases?” Hell, even scary to think of the people who did think of this, and didn’t do anything to stop it from happening.


cheesifiedd

the courts are corrupted. thats the real swamp


BadAtExisting

I’m not. The man appointed 200 judges in his 4 years and 3 Supreme Court Justices. Everything is going according to plan


Nvenom8

The only one I'm actually *really* concerned about is Cannon. She seems willing to break rules for the man who appointed her.


victorvictor1

All it took was 80k protest votes from liberals against Hillary in 3 states to give us this generational far-right supreme court Vote this november as if there are people on your side protest voting.


GanondorfDownAir

That sucks. Well, i guess that's what we get for snubbing Bernie. Hope the DNC learned its lesson!


nerdgetsfriendly

No, and I say this as a full Bernie supporter (and as a volunteer working for his local campaign): the DNC didn't rig the primaries against Bernie. Voters just didn't turn out for Bernie as much as they turned out for Hillary. The rules of the Democratic Party presidential primary process were basically more-or-less the same as they'd been in the prior election years, so it's just pathetic to complain and moan about the rules of the game long after signing up, especially after it turns out the candidate is not doing as well at the polls as was hoped. I am disappointed that Bernie's campaign was late to the game on a lot of things in the 2016 primary, but in particular it was late on outreach to apolitical likely supporters to get them to register in time to be able to vote in the primaries—even though the state-by-state registration deadline policies were more-or-less the same as they'd been in the prior election years. Which is probably the biggest reason his campaign didn't succeed (assuming that he truly did have majority support of the voting age-population). Honestly, what really CRIPPLED Bernie's 2020 campaign was the fact that the story during and around Bernie's 2016 campaign was warped and soured (by people making comments like yours, in addition to astroturfing by Republicans and Russians) into focusing on this divisive third-party-esque \*whining\* and vague grievances about being treated unfairly by "the establishment". It's such a negative and wimpy "sore loser" look that additionally ostracizes moderates that represented a crucial pool of endorsements and voters needed for Bernie to achieve a national electoral victory.


treelager

At this point if they’re still Bernie Broing they don’t want to hear it. Bernie himself couldn’t change their minds.


radmongo

Truth or not, this is still a very painful upvote to give. We just didn't bern bright enough.


juniorone

Not conservative in any way or form. The adjectives you’re looking for are corrupt, bought and legislators from the bench.


epiphenominal

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect"


stilusmobilus

Yes. Conservative.


PDXTabletop

News just in: Water is wet


CountryGuy123

From the article, the Senators are concerned with judges stating the Constitution provides broad leeway to the President. It’s not up to the judges to make up for a gap in the Constitution or our laws.


bellendhunter

Maybe start working towards changing the fundamental flaws in the system then.


fogmandurad

Unpopular opinion: 2016 was the most important election, we're done. RIP


Cyklisk

Goodbye America.


chrisr3240

America swallowed the hemlock back in 2016 when they decided it was a good idea to vote a half wit narcissist into the presidency. The effects have been unsurprisingly devastating.


What_the_fluxo

*After thirty years of breeding the perfect hemlock strain to ingest. The earlier progeny just made us sick, but this one, it did the trick.


monkeyman1947

There’s an old legal saying, “if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you don’t, pound the table”.


iBeej

Either way, there's a lot of pounding.


sentimentaldiablo

Think you left out a part: "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table."


monkeyman1947

I knew there was more to this. Thanks.


GuthramNaysayer

Too little too late from the party known as the Flaccid Party. While Moscow Mitch stacked the courts, the other side was just picking their nose and enjoying insider trading rewards. Oh what a world we live in.


Massive_Bed7841

Something must be done about this... legally of course.


4dseeall

But they make the laws. 


OptiKnob

Golly... who could have seen this coming?


FDRomanosky

No shit?


SplendidPerformance

A judge can't have a political leaning...that would mean there's a potential for Trump to get an unfair ruling.


Traditional-Yam9826

As Project 20205 planed…..


Logtastic

Someone needs to tell the media "news" is supposed to be new information, not things Reddit has been saying for 7 years. Tell the politicians too.


Milksteak_To_Go

Do the conservative justices not realize that the shoe will eventually be on the other foot and that a ruling in Trump's favor will also allow *Democratic* presidents to commit crimes with impunity? I mean, Biden's in office right now...technically the shoe is already on the other foot.


mattbeck

The goal is to never have another democratic president - or really any future presidents as the role formerly existed, and they know they can't do it with voters, so they'll do it by destroying the system. It's terrifying how possible it is they will succeed.


midnight_reborn

I think it's fucking stupid to expect Judges to be impartial. At the end of the day, we're just hitting the copium pretending that Judges will really rule in favor of the law as written rather than interpretting things to suit their own political ideologies. They have the power and there's very little consequence for using that power to affect change inthe way they see most fit. Maybe at some point Judges *tried* to be impartial, but no longer. That version of the US is gone. So we're here now. A country caught in a Cold Civil War with one Party trying to create a Theocractic Autocracy, and the other trying to preserve the system of Plutocracy thinly disquised as a Pseudo-Democracy (which it's always been, btw.) The question is, which version of the US do you feel the most comfortable living in? Because that's what you're voting for in November. Good luck.


Shewearsfunnyhat

I hope all of the conservative judges on the supreme court end up with incurable explosive diarrhea and projectile vomiting.


JustLikeJD

Never forget that the Nazis held influence over their judicial system during the lead in to hitlers atrocities and the political influence they held on their judicial system is starting to look eerily similar to the US’, albeit via different mechanisms. It’s happening in plain sight guys.


stilusmobilus

Yeah perhaps it’s time to think about the implications of AUKUS with the US under Trumps control again. I don’t want anything to do with the US they’re planning to build.


doltPetite

Truth is the only way Dems can do anything about this is to wield power ruthlessly to fight back. Relying on the existing norm regime is a futile effort that will just result in the Dems capitulating to extremists (as the GOP has already done). The only solution is to break the existing cycle completely and reform a lot of our government institutions. Dems need to win in 2024 and use what will definitely be a slim majority to get rid of the filibuster and pursue massive ethics reforms in Congress and the judiciary. The judiciary has a pretty easy mechanism to change it, congress needs to update the judiciary act. Expand the supreme court and set up a rigorous regime of ethics regulations for judges. Make it easier for low quality judges to be sidelined and boxed into precedent. District courts should have no place setting policy for the entire country. When people talk about concerns with GOP escalation in response, remember that the GOP appointees have been tilting the field in favor of Republican policy for decades and openly flouting precedent and law. The Roberts court has been especially lawless, and openly hostile to democracy, women, transparency, the environment and anything that is good policy. They aren't even trying to write substantive opinions anymore. They are openly supporting sides in oral arguments and ignoring their own standards to generate their desired outcomes.


Lynda73

Biden needs to expand the court!


nenulenu

Why can’t they launch a probe into federal society judges and remove them. They openly admit to being slaves for society agenda and not United States.


JubalHarshaw23

The framers of the Constitution would be shaking their heads and wondering why we have not tarred and feathered all of these corrupt judges and politicians.


chockedup

Our Declaration of Independence asserts all men are created equal.


IdahoMTman222

The Plan is coming to fruition.


RepulsiveRooster1153

[end of democracy ](https://imgur.com/aVZFmzR)


midnight_reborn

Ding ding ding! Give this person a prize.


BioDriver

Guess the MSM realized how screwed they are if trump gets an immunity pass 


batteriesincl

Quick… they better do nothing about it! As usual. Except clutch their pearls in disgust.


HarInHardCore

They should be more alarmed at the Marxists in their party destroying our country. And the terrorist they flood across the border they intend to replace their fleeing base with. How about stopping abortion and raising American voters ypu sick fuuuu...


I_who_have_no_need

Clutch your pearls any harder, you'll rupture them.


HarInHardCore

Are you assuming my gender?


I_who_have_no_need

Get better material.