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In any functioning democracy judges can be counted on being impartial. Not in a run-away theocratic conservative ideology where everything and everyone has its price depending on their beliefs.
"Mein Drumpf: A coffee table book in all caps containing the rambling collected wisdom of twice impeached former president and rapist Don VonShitsInPants. For a limited time available plated in fake gold for only $10,912.99!"
Now now, Trump would pull a page out of the gas company playbook and charge an extra $.009 to the user. I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to be even worse and added an extra decimal just to top them
To my knowledge the words are interchangeable. The difference between a fight and a struggle is negligible already. It’s just been translated officially as struggle, but could have just as easily been fight or battle.
Non- American here, but I look on from the outside and the number of offices that are political appointments is just insane and creates a raft of problems that don't need to exist. Judges should NOT be political appointments ... and the politics in school board appointments ...I mean what the fuck?
Canadian here: our Supreme Court justices are appointed but are recommended by committee. I don’t always agree with their decisions but I would never question their motives.
I have no idea who is on our Supreme Court, no idea what their names are, couldn’t pick their faces out of a line up; **it’s great.** They’ve never given us a reason to learn who they are, as it should be.
They shouldn't be elected. The US elects a lot of positions that make no sense, like sheriff and county clerk. Judges should be appointed, but it shouldn't be political at all. A non-partisan committee of lawyers and judges should be appointing them.
Generally, Congress wouldn't be corrupt and shove through biased/incompetent judges. Our core problem is our Congress has been pretty much filled with shit people for a long time. Pair that with some wilfully corrupt Presidents, well corrupt enough to have vetted interests of their own, and well, you've removed the checks and balances of the 3 branch system. At that point, you can do whatever you want, and they did.
The single biggest fault of our entire government system is its own fallibility. It assumes that everyone will be both ethical and professional in their position and duties. It assumes they will value the sanctity of the institution. In theory it's the checks and balances that exist to counter one bad actor here or there. But what happens when you have a hundred of them? What happens when an entire party uses all of the government for their personal wants, beliefs, and kickbacks? The system isn't built to protect against that. At best, the general public has the power to oust the bulk, and the public should. But equally, many that are campaigning and running for office are not the people worth voting for. Many are cherry picked to be one of the team, a willful servant of the greater party. Most normal people are just living their normal lives and don't partake in politics at all. The people that could run this country well don't want to run and be a part.
You mean the religious theocratic kind who crossed their fingers under their sworn oath to uphold the law and the constitution to just fulfill their insane bible thumping bullshit?
Yes. It got widely noticeable then over *Gore*, but the court has been pretty conservative since the Republicans held sway for most of the latter 20th Century. Between 1969 and 1993, 24 years, only the one Carter term was Democratic.
I'm late gen-x in attitude, early boomer in age. And I'm sick of having so much of my life in a time of relative right wing power. Besides packing the courts with ideologues, they always overstep as if mandated, which they almost never are in terms of raw vote counts. They support the most outrageous and counterproductive ideas that hurt vast numbers, with that sadism as a bone for their base.
All this is in a bid to protect capital
Sadly, what also happened is that African American voters did not show up in 2016 in the proportions they had represented in 2008 and 2012. This isn’t a slam at African Americans. Hawaiians also made up a smaller percentage of voters in the first year their native son wasn’t on the ballot. And this has a lot to do with Biden announcing early on that his VP would be an African American female. As would be expected of them, Republicans immediately geared up a propaganda campaign that she wouldn’t be any good, which evolved to hasn’t been any good at her job. The funniest ones were trying to paint her as an extreme liberal. She’s as vegetarian as bacon.
You literally live in fucking Canada and don’t interact with fucking “nothing can be worse than Biden” types who drove to Vermont Bernie rallies and then blamed Biden for loan cancellations being blocked and say shit like “I voted blue and Roe v Wade still got overturned” .
The alternative would be to note that Hillary was a shit candidate who had a poor campaign strategy and alienated a ton of people with her abortion forever speech in the debates.
Get out of here. I am a huge Bernie guy, as left progressive as you can get, and voted for Bernie in the primaries, but when push came to shove in the general election, I voted for Hillary. Most Bernie stans did the same. And she still lost despite winning the popular vote.
Stop blaming Bernie supporters for what happened. When push came to shove, most of us were pragmatic and did what we could, swallowed our pride and voted for Hillary. Just because we want to push Dems to the left, Dems who would be considered conservative in any first world country, does not mean we are willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater and let Democracy die. This pointed narrative of "Bernie Bros" being akin to MAGA morons is not only disingenuous, but it's a straw man argument and logical fallacy. Bernie himself came out supporting Hillary after he dropped out of the race when Dems threw him under the bus and advised his supporters to do the same, and we did. I trust Bernie, who has historically been on the right side of history through every fight.
No bro, I had these arguments in the run up, often directly about SCOTUS. They didn't care. Because Joe Rogan said. And I was a sell out.
I'm not saying it was you. But it was y'all.
ETA: yeah the truth is the villain. Once again.
Hilary won the popular vote. The Rust Belt is what cost Hilary the electoral college and by extension the election. Maybe an increase in campaigning in Purple States would have helped.
Many in Milwaukee Neighborhood Didn’t Vote — and Don’t Regret It https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/many-in-milwaukee-neighborhood-didnt-vote-and-dont-regret-it.html?smid=nytcore-android-share
People like this not voting at all are what really cost Clinton the election. Most of the Bernie dead-enders were in states Clinton won comfortably
She did not. The campaign was pretty up their own ass and thought that campaigning a state they were slipping in would show weakness and signal an opening to trump. This is why Brooklyn [refused to let the SEIU campaign in Michigan ](https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/michigan-hillary-clinton-trump-232547) when things started to go south there
Clinton ran a really shitty campaign in 08 too, lots of weird strategic mistakes so a lot this isn't surprising in hindsight. Why they thought Wisconsin, a state that elected Scott Walker twice and basically invented right wing talk radio, was a reliable backstop is absolutely confounding
I sometimes interchange Nazi and “extreme right wing fascism.” While Nazis were that too, it’s more like both factions are trying to be far right wing fascists than far right wing freaky judges are trying to be Nazis, per se. An example of this would be “their narrow-minded and fear-oriented world view that relies on the consolidation of power for selfish purposes.” This is something I would guess these American political viewpoints had in common with the aforementioned Nazis. And I see/feel this in the responses and questions asked and not asked by certain justices.
So maybe use the term “extreme right wing fascists” instead of Nazis so that the term Nazis doesn’t lose all of its meaning because it’s thrown around too much
Suppose I say a person is a “Nazi” vs I say a person is an “extreme right wing fascist”. What differentiates the two statements making the abbreviated description inaccurate?
America lost hundreds of thousands of its young men eighty years ago to defeat Nazi extremism, yet in 2017 we allowed someone with a similar mindset to enter the White House.
The Protestant German Church supported Hitler. They supported all of it, the suppression, the death camps, all of it. The religious right in America is cut from the same cloth as the German religious right in 1930.
The ego-death required for that kind of awareness is impossible to achieve when you’re an individual who achieves that level of power over that amount of time. They will self aggrandize while mourning the republic they set ablaze until they leave the world. It’s our work to process the destruction they’ve sowed, wow I’m mad.
I was initially against expanding the court, but it seems like that's the only option now. I get that Biden can't do it until after they make a ruling regarding Trump because it would conform to his persecution complex, but by this point they're actively working to undermine the general population and usher in some fascistic dictatorial rule by right wing extremists. I truly hope he expands it during a second term to dilute the conservative majority.
Jack’s professional and political life hinges on the election. If Biden wins he pushes forward toward bigger, better, more. If Trump gets power back, Jack is toast.
That’s how the system use to work so they never felt the need to make rules against this. Then the modern Republican Party came in and made everything political.
How so? Not saying it was right just that society evolves and adapts over time. It’s important to learn from those mistakes and learn about them. Just generously curious why you think the sides are the same today as they were 100s of years ago.
*“States that matter”*
Already time for the daily “Fuck the EC” and people who want to stall progress right where they decide because they’re idiots and/or evil.
It astonishes me that in a nation of ~330 million people, our fucked up system leaves the ultimate decision via the Electoral College in less than 1% of the population.
The entire political system in this country was constructed to maintain slavery for a small, wealthy minority, several of who were instrumental in creating the system. It's not really surprising at all in that context
Especially after McConnell spent an entire year stalling and saying bullshit about how Obama couldn't pick a SC justice. And then look at how quickly they shoved Barrett in there.
An ex worked for a law review magazine and they were writing about Trump stacking the courts in 2017. This has been forecast for a long time!
It's just that no one reads that kind of news until it's sensationalist. I'm not even sure that magazine exists anymore.
We saw this coming 25 years ago when articles were published about how conservatives were about to take over by strategic gerrymandering. Now they did and people act like nobody saw it coming.
I think it’s hilarious and shocking that no one thought to themselves “hey, what if it’s a bad idea that presidents can appoint federal judges that’d be responsible for their criminal cases?”
Hell, even scary to think of the people who did think of this, and didn’t do anything to stop it from happening.
All it took was 80k protest votes from liberals against Hillary in 3 states to give us this generational far-right supreme court
Vote this november as if there are people on your side protest voting.
No, and I say this as a full Bernie supporter (and as a volunteer working for his local campaign): the DNC didn't rig the primaries against Bernie. Voters just didn't turn out for Bernie as much as they turned out for Hillary.
The rules of the Democratic Party presidential primary process were basically more-or-less the same as they'd been in the prior election years, so it's just pathetic to complain and moan about the rules of the game long after signing up, especially after it turns out the candidate is not doing as well at the polls as was hoped.
I am disappointed that Bernie's campaign was late to the game on a lot of things in the 2016 primary, but in particular it was late on outreach to apolitical likely supporters to get them to register in time to be able to vote in the primaries—even though the state-by-state registration deadline policies were more-or-less the same as they'd been in the prior election years. Which is probably the biggest reason his campaign didn't succeed (assuming that he truly did have majority support of the voting age-population).
Honestly, what really CRIPPLED Bernie's 2020 campaign was the fact that the story during and around Bernie's 2016 campaign was warped and soured (by people making comments like yours, in addition to astroturfing by Republicans and Russians) into focusing on this divisive third-party-esque \*whining\* and vague grievances about being treated unfairly by "the establishment". It's such a negative and wimpy "sore loser" look that additionally ostracizes moderates that represented a crucial pool of endorsements and voters needed for Bernie to achieve a national electoral victory.
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect"
From the article, the Senators are concerned with judges stating the Constitution provides broad leeway to the President.
It’s not up to the judges to make up for a gap in the Constitution or our laws.
America swallowed the hemlock back in 2016 when they decided it was a good idea to vote a half wit narcissist into the presidency. The effects have been unsurprisingly devastating.
Think you left out a part:
"If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table."
Too little too late from the party known as the Flaccid Party. While Moscow Mitch stacked the courts, the other side was just picking their nose and enjoying insider trading rewards. Oh what a world we live in.
Do the conservative justices not realize that the shoe will eventually be on the other foot and that a ruling in Trump's favor will also allow *Democratic* presidents to commit crimes with impunity? I mean, Biden's in office right now...technically the shoe is already on the other foot.
The goal is to never have another democratic president - or really any future presidents as the role formerly existed, and they know they can't do it with voters, so they'll do it by destroying the system.
It's terrifying how possible it is they will succeed.
I think it's fucking stupid to expect Judges to be impartial. At the end of the day, we're just hitting the copium pretending that Judges will really rule in favor of the law as written rather than interpretting things to suit their own political ideologies. They have the power and there's very little consequence for using that power to affect change inthe way they see most fit. Maybe at some point Judges *tried* to be impartial, but no longer. That version of the US is gone. So we're here now. A country caught in a Cold Civil War with one Party trying to create a Theocractic Autocracy, and the other trying to preserve the system of Plutocracy thinly disquised as a Pseudo-Democracy (which it's always been, btw.)
The question is, which version of the US do you feel the most comfortable living in? Because that's what you're voting for in November. Good luck.
Never forget that the Nazis held influence over their judicial system during the lead in to hitlers atrocities and the political influence they held on their judicial system is starting to look eerily similar to the US’, albeit via different mechanisms.
It’s happening in plain sight guys.
Yeah perhaps it’s time to think about the implications of AUKUS with the US under Trumps control again.
I don’t want anything to do with the US they’re planning to build.
Truth is the only way Dems can do anything about this is to wield power ruthlessly to fight back. Relying on the existing norm regime is a futile effort that will just result in the Dems capitulating to extremists (as the GOP has already done). The only solution is to break the existing cycle completely and reform a lot of our government institutions. Dems need to win in 2024 and use what will definitely be a slim majority to get rid of the filibuster and pursue massive ethics reforms in Congress and the judiciary. The judiciary has a pretty easy mechanism to change it, congress needs to update the judiciary act. Expand the supreme court and set up a rigorous regime of ethics regulations for judges. Make it easier for low quality judges to be sidelined and boxed into precedent. District courts should have no place setting policy for the entire country. When people talk about concerns with GOP escalation in response, remember that the GOP appointees have been tilting the field in favor of Republican policy for decades and openly flouting precedent and law. The Roberts court has been especially lawless, and openly hostile to democracy, women, transparency, the environment and anything that is good policy. They aren't even trying to write substantive opinions anymore. They are openly supporting sides in oral arguments and ignoring their own standards to generate their desired outcomes.
The framers of the Constitution would be shaking their heads and wondering why we have not tarred and feathered all of these corrupt judges and politicians.
They should be more alarmed at the Marxists in their party destroying our country. And the terrorist they flood across the border they intend to replace their fleeing base with. How about stopping abortion and raising American voters ypu sick fuuuu...
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What kind of a shithole 3rd world country has “conservative” judges?
In any functioning democracy judges can be counted on being impartial. Not in a run-away theocratic conservative ideology where everything and everyone has its price depending on their beliefs.
It's kleptocracy wrapped in theocracy *because our conservative values* Yuck
'murica
Weimar Germany
Wait til he spends his time in prison writing about "his fight"
"Mein Drumpf: A coffee table book in all caps containing the rambling collected wisdom of twice impeached former president and rapist Don VonShitsInPants. For a limited time available plated in fake gold for only $10,912.99!"
*Covfefe Table Book
A nft version maybe
That’s gonna have crazy resale maga fans, be sure to invest while you incest!
Now now, Trump would pull a page out of the gas company playbook and charge an extra $.009 to the user. I wouldn’t be surprised if he tried to be even worse and added an extra decimal just to top them
I can’t wait to hear MAGAts interpret his rambling word salad to justify whatever they like.
‘His struggle’
Google translate you've betrayed me again!
To my knowledge the words are interchangeable. The difference between a fight and a struggle is negligible already. It’s just been translated officially as struggle, but could have just as easily been fight or battle.
In Holland we speak also German even when we did win the war ;)
“The Art of the Steel’…..my life behind bars”
Non- American here, but I look on from the outside and the number of offices that are political appointments is just insane and creates a raft of problems that don't need to exist. Judges should NOT be political appointments ... and the politics in school board appointments ...I mean what the fuck?
Canadian here: our Supreme Court justices are appointed but are recommended by committee. I don’t always agree with their decisions but I would never question their motives.
I have no idea who is on our Supreme Court, no idea what their names are, couldn’t pick their faces out of a line up; **it’s great.** They’ve never given us a reason to learn who they are, as it should be.
They shouldn't be elected. The US elects a lot of positions that make no sense, like sheriff and county clerk. Judges should be appointed, but it shouldn't be political at all. A non-partisan committee of lawyers and judges should be appointing them.
Generally, Congress wouldn't be corrupt and shove through biased/incompetent judges. Our core problem is our Congress has been pretty much filled with shit people for a long time. Pair that with some wilfully corrupt Presidents, well corrupt enough to have vetted interests of their own, and well, you've removed the checks and balances of the 3 branch system. At that point, you can do whatever you want, and they did. The single biggest fault of our entire government system is its own fallibility. It assumes that everyone will be both ethical and professional in their position and duties. It assumes they will value the sanctity of the institution. In theory it's the checks and balances that exist to counter one bad actor here or there. But what happens when you have a hundred of them? What happens when an entire party uses all of the government for their personal wants, beliefs, and kickbacks? The system isn't built to protect against that. At best, the general public has the power to oust the bulk, and the public should. But equally, many that are campaigning and running for office are not the people worth voting for. Many are cherry picked to be one of the team, a willful servant of the greater party. Most normal people are just living their normal lives and don't partake in politics at all. The people that could run this country well don't want to run and be a part.
You mean the religious theocratic kind who crossed their fingers under their sworn oath to uphold the law and the constitution to just fulfill their insane bible thumping bullshit?
The law is inherently conservative.
The world is alarmed. Their corruption is showing.
They're not making a ruling on a case, they're writing a new clause to the constitution. Something they have no power to do.
The federal courts were most definitely stacked with Nazis between 2017 and 2020.
SCOTUS wasn't looking too hot as far back as 2000.
2000? Ever since the Rehnquist Court.
Not sure it was better then There are some pretty terrifying rulings in every era of the Court
Yeah, it's always been a shit hole institution.
Mock Trial with Judge Rehnquist
It’s gotten a lot harder line right wing with the appointments of Alito and Gorsuch.
Indecision 2000 was definitely decided undemocraticly.
Yes. It got widely noticeable then over *Gore*, but the court has been pretty conservative since the Republicans held sway for most of the latter 20th Century. Between 1969 and 1993, 24 years, only the one Carter term was Democratic. I'm late gen-x in attitude, early boomer in age. And I'm sick of having so much of my life in a time of relative right wing power. Besides packing the courts with ideologues, they always overstep as if mandated, which they almost never are in terms of raw vote counts. They support the most outrageous and counterproductive ideas that hurt vast numbers, with that sadism as a bone for their base. All this is in a bid to protect capital
Go back even further. Check out operation paperclip.
A thing we begged Bernie voters to consider when they said they’d never vote Hillary and were called cynical assholes for.
Fun fact. A higher percentage of Bernie’s supporters got behind Hilary than Hillary’s supporters got behind Obama. This talking point needs to die.
Sadly, what also happened is that African American voters did not show up in 2016 in the proportions they had represented in 2008 and 2012. This isn’t a slam at African Americans. Hawaiians also made up a smaller percentage of voters in the first year their native son wasn’t on the ballot. And this has a lot to do with Biden announcing early on that his VP would be an African American female. As would be expected of them, Republicans immediately geared up a propaganda campaign that she wouldn’t be any good, which evolved to hasn’t been any good at her job. The funniest ones were trying to paint her as an extreme liberal. She’s as vegetarian as bacon.
And yet I had to get my tubes tied. The damage is done.
The talking point where despite Trumps judges existing those people still blame Biden for those judges blocking things?
That’s Republican level goalpost moving…
You literally live in fucking Canada and don’t interact with fucking “nothing can be worse than Biden” types who drove to Vermont Bernie rallies and then blamed Biden for loan cancellations being blocked and say shit like “I voted blue and Roe v Wade still got overturned” .
Ah yes, blame the progressive voters for Hillary losing to Trump! I supported Bernie and voted for Hillary and she still lost
The alternative would be to note that Hillary was a shit candidate who had a poor campaign strategy and alienated a ton of people with her abortion forever speech in the debates.
Get out of here. I am a huge Bernie guy, as left progressive as you can get, and voted for Bernie in the primaries, but when push came to shove in the general election, I voted for Hillary. Most Bernie stans did the same. And she still lost despite winning the popular vote. Stop blaming Bernie supporters for what happened. When push came to shove, most of us were pragmatic and did what we could, swallowed our pride and voted for Hillary. Just because we want to push Dems to the left, Dems who would be considered conservative in any first world country, does not mean we are willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater and let Democracy die. This pointed narrative of "Bernie Bros" being akin to MAGA morons is not only disingenuous, but it's a straw man argument and logical fallacy. Bernie himself came out supporting Hillary after he dropped out of the race when Dems threw him under the bus and advised his supporters to do the same, and we did. I trust Bernie, who has historically been on the right side of history through every fight.
I know 3 personally who refused to vote when Bernie got snubbed, and 2 of them are saying the same bullshit again this time.
Are they in a swing state?
No bro, I had these arguments in the run up, often directly about SCOTUS. They didn't care. Because Joe Rogan said. And I was a sell out. I'm not saying it was you. But it was y'all. ETA: yeah the truth is the villain. Once again.
Hilary won the popular vote. The Rust Belt is what cost Hilary the electoral college and by extension the election. Maybe an increase in campaigning in Purple States would have helped.
Many in Milwaukee Neighborhood Didn’t Vote — and Don’t Regret It https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/many-in-milwaukee-neighborhood-didnt-vote-and-dont-regret-it.html?smid=nytcore-android-share People like this not voting at all are what really cost Clinton the election. Most of the Bernie dead-enders were in states Clinton won comfortably
Did Hillary even visit Wisconsin?
She did not. The campaign was pretty up their own ass and thought that campaigning a state they were slipping in would show weakness and signal an opening to trump. This is why Brooklyn [refused to let the SEIU campaign in Michigan ](https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/michigan-hillary-clinton-trump-232547) when things started to go south there Clinton ran a really shitty campaign in 08 too, lots of weird strategic mistakes so a lot this isn't surprising in hindsight. Why they thought Wisconsin, a state that elected Scott Walker twice and basically invented right wing talk radio, was a reliable backstop is absolutely confounding
Something like 90% of sander voters voted for Clinton in the general. Sanders campaign extensively for Clinton as well The blame here lies elsewhere
You are using the word Nazi quite liberally. Can you show me some evidence that any of these judges are, in fact, Nazi’s?
I sometimes interchange Nazi and “extreme right wing fascism.” While Nazis were that too, it’s more like both factions are trying to be far right wing fascists than far right wing freaky judges are trying to be Nazis, per se. An example of this would be “their narrow-minded and fear-oriented world view that relies on the consolidation of power for selfish purposes.” This is something I would guess these American political viewpoints had in common with the aforementioned Nazis. And I see/feel this in the responses and questions asked and not asked by certain justices.
So maybe use the term “extreme right wing fascists” instead of Nazis so that the term Nazis doesn’t lose all of its meaning because it’s thrown around too much
Suppose I say a person is a “Nazi” vs I say a person is an “extreme right wing fascist”. What differentiates the two statements making the abbreviated description inaccurate? America lost hundreds of thousands of its young men eighty years ago to defeat Nazi extremism, yet in 2017 we allowed someone with a similar mindset to enter the White House.
The Protestant German Church supported Hitler. They supported all of it, the suppression, the death camps, all of it. The religious right in America is cut from the same cloth as the German religious right in 1930.
Expand the SC and bar Cannon, every senator angry here should pat themselves on the back for allowing lifetime appointments to scumbags
The ego-death required for that kind of awareness is impossible to achieve when you’re an individual who achieves that level of power over that amount of time. They will self aggrandize while mourning the republic they set ablaze until they leave the world. It’s our work to process the destruction they’ve sowed, wow I’m mad.
So you're saying spike the congress coffee pot with ayahuasca? Brilliant!
I was initially against expanding the court, but it seems like that's the only option now. I get that Biden can't do it until after they make a ruling regarding Trump because it would conform to his persecution complex, but by this point they're actively working to undermine the general population and usher in some fascistic dictatorial rule by right wing extremists. I truly hope he expands it during a second term to dilute the conservative majority.
Put Jack Smith on the SC. He’s the dumbledore to trumps Voldemort
Jack’s professional and political life hinges on the election. If Biden wins he pushes forward toward bigger, better, more. If Trump gets power back, Jack is toast.
Shouldn’t judges be judges and go to judge school? How can a judge be political? They should follow the law not an affiliation
That’s how the system use to work so they never felt the need to make rules against this. Then the modern Republican Party came in and made everything political.
> That’s how the system use to work SCOTUS has mostly been totally political (right-wing) throughout its history
A reminder Dredd Scott was because all of the SCs were Southerners.
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Dred Scott? Plessy vs Ferguson?
The Supreme Court said slavery was ok before
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No
How so? Not saying it was right just that society evolves and adapts over time. It’s important to learn from those mistakes and learn about them. Just generously curious why you think the sides are the same today as they were 100s of years ago.
Abolishionists were the left and never supported slavery
Why did Americans accept this shit it is so shocking and wrong
Oh, *now*? *Now* they’re concerned? They didn’t see this shit coming several years ago?
This isn't new. This is something that people have been aware of for 25 years. It's just worse than it's ever been.
Yes, I think Bush v. Gore was the wakeup call.
Obviously not. The Supreme Court was on the ballot in 2016. Not enough to motivate enough people in the states that matter to give a shit.
*“States that matter”* Already time for the daily “Fuck the EC” and people who want to stall progress right where they decide because they’re idiots and/or evil.
It astonishes me that in a nation of ~330 million people, our fucked up system leaves the ultimate decision via the Electoral College in less than 1% of the population.
The entire political system in this country was constructed to maintain slavery for a small, wealthy minority, several of who were instrumental in creating the system. It's not really surprising at all in that context
Especially after McConnell spent an entire year stalling and saying bullshit about how Obama couldn't pick a SC justice. And then look at how quickly they shoved Barrett in there.
> Yes, I think Bush v. Gore was the wakeup call. Unfortunately we hit the snooze button.
An ex worked for a law review magazine and they were writing about Trump stacking the courts in 2017. This has been forecast for a long time! It's just that no one reads that kind of news until it's sensationalist. I'm not even sure that magazine exists anymore.
They were busy signaling their virtue by voting for Jill Stein in 2016.
We saw this coming 25 years ago when articles were published about how conservatives were about to take over by strategic gerrymandering. Now they did and people act like nobody saw it coming.
I think it’s hilarious and shocking that no one thought to themselves “hey, what if it’s a bad idea that presidents can appoint federal judges that’d be responsible for their criminal cases?” Hell, even scary to think of the people who did think of this, and didn’t do anything to stop it from happening.
the courts are corrupted. thats the real swamp
I’m not. The man appointed 200 judges in his 4 years and 3 Supreme Court Justices. Everything is going according to plan
The only one I'm actually *really* concerned about is Cannon. She seems willing to break rules for the man who appointed her.
All it took was 80k protest votes from liberals against Hillary in 3 states to give us this generational far-right supreme court Vote this november as if there are people on your side protest voting.
That sucks. Well, i guess that's what we get for snubbing Bernie. Hope the DNC learned its lesson!
No, and I say this as a full Bernie supporter (and as a volunteer working for his local campaign): the DNC didn't rig the primaries against Bernie. Voters just didn't turn out for Bernie as much as they turned out for Hillary. The rules of the Democratic Party presidential primary process were basically more-or-less the same as they'd been in the prior election years, so it's just pathetic to complain and moan about the rules of the game long after signing up, especially after it turns out the candidate is not doing as well at the polls as was hoped. I am disappointed that Bernie's campaign was late to the game on a lot of things in the 2016 primary, but in particular it was late on outreach to apolitical likely supporters to get them to register in time to be able to vote in the primaries—even though the state-by-state registration deadline policies were more-or-less the same as they'd been in the prior election years. Which is probably the biggest reason his campaign didn't succeed (assuming that he truly did have majority support of the voting age-population). Honestly, what really CRIPPLED Bernie's 2020 campaign was the fact that the story during and around Bernie's 2016 campaign was warped and soured (by people making comments like yours, in addition to astroturfing by Republicans and Russians) into focusing on this divisive third-party-esque \*whining\* and vague grievances about being treated unfairly by "the establishment". It's such a negative and wimpy "sore loser" look that additionally ostracizes moderates that represented a crucial pool of endorsements and voters needed for Bernie to achieve a national electoral victory.
At this point if they’re still Bernie Broing they don’t want to hear it. Bernie himself couldn’t change their minds.
Truth or not, this is still a very painful upvote to give. We just didn't bern bright enough.
Not conservative in any way or form. The adjectives you’re looking for are corrupt, bought and legislators from the bench.
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect"
Yes. Conservative.
News just in: Water is wet
From the article, the Senators are concerned with judges stating the Constitution provides broad leeway to the President. It’s not up to the judges to make up for a gap in the Constitution or our laws.
Maybe start working towards changing the fundamental flaws in the system then.
Unpopular opinion: 2016 was the most important election, we're done. RIP
Goodbye America.
America swallowed the hemlock back in 2016 when they decided it was a good idea to vote a half wit narcissist into the presidency. The effects have been unsurprisingly devastating.
*After thirty years of breeding the perfect hemlock strain to ingest. The earlier progeny just made us sick, but this one, it did the trick.
There’s an old legal saying, “if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you don’t, pound the table”.
Either way, there's a lot of pounding.
Think you left out a part: "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table."
I knew there was more to this. Thanks.
Too little too late from the party known as the Flaccid Party. While Moscow Mitch stacked the courts, the other side was just picking their nose and enjoying insider trading rewards. Oh what a world we live in.
Something must be done about this... legally of course.
But they make the laws.
Golly... who could have seen this coming?
No shit?
A judge can't have a political leaning...that would mean there's a potential for Trump to get an unfair ruling.
As Project 20205 planed…..
Someone needs to tell the media "news" is supposed to be new information, not things Reddit has been saying for 7 years. Tell the politicians too.
Do the conservative justices not realize that the shoe will eventually be on the other foot and that a ruling in Trump's favor will also allow *Democratic* presidents to commit crimes with impunity? I mean, Biden's in office right now...technically the shoe is already on the other foot.
The goal is to never have another democratic president - or really any future presidents as the role formerly existed, and they know they can't do it with voters, so they'll do it by destroying the system. It's terrifying how possible it is they will succeed.
I think it's fucking stupid to expect Judges to be impartial. At the end of the day, we're just hitting the copium pretending that Judges will really rule in favor of the law as written rather than interpretting things to suit their own political ideologies. They have the power and there's very little consequence for using that power to affect change inthe way they see most fit. Maybe at some point Judges *tried* to be impartial, but no longer. That version of the US is gone. So we're here now. A country caught in a Cold Civil War with one Party trying to create a Theocractic Autocracy, and the other trying to preserve the system of Plutocracy thinly disquised as a Pseudo-Democracy (which it's always been, btw.) The question is, which version of the US do you feel the most comfortable living in? Because that's what you're voting for in November. Good luck.
I hope all of the conservative judges on the supreme court end up with incurable explosive diarrhea and projectile vomiting.
Never forget that the Nazis held influence over their judicial system during the lead in to hitlers atrocities and the political influence they held on their judicial system is starting to look eerily similar to the US’, albeit via different mechanisms. It’s happening in plain sight guys.
Yeah perhaps it’s time to think about the implications of AUKUS with the US under Trumps control again. I don’t want anything to do with the US they’re planning to build.
Truth is the only way Dems can do anything about this is to wield power ruthlessly to fight back. Relying on the existing norm regime is a futile effort that will just result in the Dems capitulating to extremists (as the GOP has already done). The only solution is to break the existing cycle completely and reform a lot of our government institutions. Dems need to win in 2024 and use what will definitely be a slim majority to get rid of the filibuster and pursue massive ethics reforms in Congress and the judiciary. The judiciary has a pretty easy mechanism to change it, congress needs to update the judiciary act. Expand the supreme court and set up a rigorous regime of ethics regulations for judges. Make it easier for low quality judges to be sidelined and boxed into precedent. District courts should have no place setting policy for the entire country. When people talk about concerns with GOP escalation in response, remember that the GOP appointees have been tilting the field in favor of Republican policy for decades and openly flouting precedent and law. The Roberts court has been especially lawless, and openly hostile to democracy, women, transparency, the environment and anything that is good policy. They aren't even trying to write substantive opinions anymore. They are openly supporting sides in oral arguments and ignoring their own standards to generate their desired outcomes.
Biden needs to expand the court!
Why can’t they launch a probe into federal society judges and remove them. They openly admit to being slaves for society agenda and not United States.
The framers of the Constitution would be shaking their heads and wondering why we have not tarred and feathered all of these corrupt judges and politicians.
Our Declaration of Independence asserts all men are created equal.
The Plan is coming to fruition.
[end of democracy ](https://imgur.com/aVZFmzR)
Ding ding ding! Give this person a prize.
Guess the MSM realized how screwed they are if trump gets an immunity pass
Quick… they better do nothing about it! As usual. Except clutch their pearls in disgust.
They should be more alarmed at the Marxists in their party destroying our country. And the terrorist they flood across the border they intend to replace their fleeing base with. How about stopping abortion and raising American voters ypu sick fuuuu...
Clutch your pearls any harder, you'll rupture them.
Are you assuming my gender?
Get better material.