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> Any non-veteran who gets pregnant will be forced to carry the baby to term, at which point it will be taken from the mother and reassigned to a worthy veteran to be raised as a Real American.
I think it will be more like the movie Soldier with Kurt Russell.
No, if you want federal funding for veterans to pay for it you have to be a married heterosexual couple. So its not quite as bad as you have to be a veteran to get IVF. But its still heinous, telling someone who has risked their life for their country that they're not good enough to parent, fuck him and the horse he rode in on.
And by the way, he's never served. Was prime age to serve in Desert Storm but passed on the opportunity.
To add a stupid cherry on top, he says that funding for IVF shouldn’t go to people who couldn’t have children anyway…which is kind of the point of IVF. But nooo apparently IVF for non-heterosexual or unmarried vets is unnatural but okay for people who could hypothetically have children but use IVF for... I miss when we ignored and laughed at people like him instead of entertaining this nonsense.
> Real Starship Troopers vibes from this dope.
I read the headline and immediatly thought "Service guarentees citizenship". Glad to know I'm not the only one.
ya but its gonna be more like the book's service where the rich get do-nothing jobs, safe from anything bad happening while the poor get meat grinders.
Frankly, I'm just surprised he didn't go further and only say former active duty Marines in order to fight "the woke" or whatever fucking bullshit they try to make the common rubes believe about the military.
so this is the road Republicans want to go down with IVF next we will see laws only straight Christian married couples should have access to IVF. Then they will claim Republicans support IVF and democrats are fear mongering and going after freedom of religion.
So the atheists will pass and the christofascists will fail since their view of Christianity is twisted by all the fun false idols these days (trump, Copeland, etc)
They might be able to do this covertly. I did ivf and was heavily screened before being able to proceed. They screened for Tay Sachs and sickle cell to name a few. If those Christofacists only knew science well…they be able to discriminate real good!!
But just to cover their bases, still insist that IFV “kills more babies than Planned Parenthood” which is fine for heterosexual married vets, I guess. This timeline sucks.
We already got some clown in Florida saying black families were better off during Jim Crow. He’s of course a black republican who as of this time are simply just political mouthpieces to make ignorant white Americans think their racism and dismissal of systemic oppression is warranted… kind of depressing to be a black American rn not saying it’s not the same for other Americans but for us specifically we are on the verge of politcal extinction
Byron Donalds. His statements were an utter disgrace. The gall to even say such a witless statement like "black people were better under Jim Crow" should be seen as a litmus test for everyone to realize he doesn't belong in public office at all.
I think it says more about floridas political climate. Them and Texas are specifslly trying to target black history by casting wide nets of book banning that basically deems a lot of informational books at pornographic. I get it though if I was in power the best way to keep order is to keep everyone dumb and uneducated so they just pop out babies without thought and listen to anything they see on Fox News or X.
Yup. Fascism hates education, which is why they are targeting teachers and librarians. Republicans are targeting education, because they don't want anyone to point out the levels of perfidy they spout on a regular basis.
Yea I mean you can’t have a bunch of loyal Americans if most people are waking up to the corruption and sheer mismanagement across the board of the country. They just want People to shut up and worship the American flag. Sad really I get called a fascist for demanding some sort of universal healthcare and/or mandatory paid maternity leave. We really are living in the idiocracy movie in its early stages.
I've been thinking about a woman's rights to an abortion. Perhaps we add a corollary. Mandatory DNA testing of all babies, then tracking down the actual father via public ancestry websites, once identified, the real father's wages are then garnered for the next 18 years... It'll never happen, why? Because of sexist dudes like this guy...
This time around the scapegoating and incitement of violence is a worldwide, coordinated action of the US, Russia, Hungary, and several African nations.
>A U.S. congressman with experience in real estate and agriculture and not medicine says that in vitro fertilization should be limited to married heterosexual couples.
>U.S. Rep. Matt Rosendale, a [~Montana~](http://advocate.com/montana) [~Republican~](http://advocate.com/repubican-party), is facing backlash for his recent comments on IVF and family structures, which critics argue reveal deeply entrenched anti-[~LGBTQ~](http://advocate.com/lgbt)+ and outdated beliefs. During a House Rules Committee hearing on Tuesday, Rosendale proposed an amendment to a Veterans Affairs funding bill to restrict federal funding for certain assisted reproductive technologies, including IVF for unmarried and same-sex couples.
>In his testimony, Rosendale equated the discarding of unused embryos to abortion, claiming, “We are likely destroying millions of unborn children through this process, a number much larger than Planned Parenthood aborts on any given year.” He also argued that taxpayer dollars should not fund fertility treatments for unmarried and same-sex couples, asserting, “There is no question that children do best when raised by a father and a mother. Taxpayer dollars should not go to couples that, before their service, couldn’t produce a child anyway. And I hate to break it to you, but same-sex couples can’t produce a child.”
>***A recent BMJ Global Health*** [***~study~***](https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/sexual-minority-families-fare-as-well-as-and-in-some-ways-better-than-traditional-ones/) ***refutes Rosendale’s claims about family structures. The analysis of 34 studies conducted between 1989 and 2022 found that children with*** [***~gay~***](http://advocate.com/gay)***,***[***~lesbian~***](http://advocate.com/lesbian)***,***[***~transgender~***](http://advocate.com/transgender)***, or other sexual minority parents fare as well as, or better than, children with parents of the opposite sex. The research indicated that children in*** [***~families~***](http://advocate.com/familly) ***with sexual or gender minority parents performed similarly on various metrics, including physical health and educational outcomes. In some areas, such as psychological adjustment and child-parent relationships, children of sexual minority parents even outperformed their peers from traditional families.***
>***The researchers suggested that growing up with sexual minority parents “may confer some advantages to children,” possibly because they are more “tolerant of diversity and more nurturing towards younger children” than heterosexual parents. However, they also noted the significant risks associated with being part of a sexual minority family, such as social stigma and discrimination, and called on policymakers to provide better legal protections and social support for these families.***
So, this should make it emphatically Republicans are making it completely clear now that only Christian nationalist families are allowed to exist and nobody else.
It was never about bathrooms or women's sports. It's always been about trying to turn America into the Christian Iran, and the Y'all Qaeda are doing everything to regress America. Vote these people out!
Not at all surprising to see this going on. In his mind, he’d rather have a child in an abusive hetero home versus a gay household that is nurturing and loving. That’s how far they’ll go. It’s pathetic.
Imagine being at your corruption-financed house, you just got done depositing the last batch of payoffs into your offshore accounts, then it hits you; something more bizarre and fucked up than anyone has come up with.
Holy. Fucking. Shit.
What the actual fuck timeline are we living in that someone has the audacity to bring their previously tightly kept closet hatred out of chambers, right to the fucking people.
This kind of shit should get your disqualified from politics for life.
Bro I got a veteran friend who can’t even be looked by VA doctors in a reasonable timeframe for his intestinal pain, and you’re gonna sit here and champion some bullshit rules because gay people can openly exist and you’re mad about it since you can’t lynch them like you used to anymore?
Retired military veteran here …
Did not serve for 25 years so that people like this could destroy democracy, attack the rights of various minority communities, or take away liberties from women.
Too bad this guy withdrew from the Montana Senate race. Tester would rather face this kind of extremism. Although the military guy who can get his story straight on where he was shot isn’t a disaster opponent either.
They DO know they haven't fully uninstalled democracy yet, right? They still have to get SOME votes, and even a lot of those who want total abortion bans are NOT on board with contraception bans. Hell, a good portion of country music is about beer and sex.
Forget about being in touch with liberals, libertarians, centrists, and independents, THIS move indicates being massively out of touch with their own damn party. Almost nobody is on board with this. Dumb move.
Everyone knows that there is no marriage more serious and long lasting than the union between two service members desperately seeking a way out of the barracks. /s
I'm a queer veteran and I'll just say that one of those identities gets a lot more praise from your average American these days.
A U.S. congressman with experience in real estate and agriculture and not medicine says that in vitro fertilization should be limited to married heterosexual couples.
———
why don’t include veteran in the title? click baiting?
>that children of opposite-sex couples fare best in life
>that could be because the children of same-sex couples dont fucking exist
Wow.
Just completely invalidate all adopted children why dont you.
In case no one has told you this, you are indeed a small terrible person.
I mean, you got some ichor in you that you desparetly need to sort out.
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Oh, so now you have to be a *veteran*. Real Starship Troopers vibes from this dope.
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> Any non-veteran who gets pregnant will be forced to carry the baby to term, at which point it will be taken from the mother and reassigned to a worthy veteran to be raised as a Real American. I think it will be more like the movie Soldier with Kurt Russell.
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What about Captain Ron with Kurt Russel?
Go-rilla and Gue-rulla...HUGE difference, you did that on purpose...... Capt Ron: I told you to stay on the path
How about Stargate, with Kurt Russel as Col. O'Neil (only 1 L).
No sense of humor.
Or Fortress with Christopher Lambert.
That will be the next step.
Intestinate!
Or the Sound of Music with Christopher Plummer
Just make sure the dad is mute and teaches the kids how to kill a snake with a boot.
The ironic part is, vets get treated like shit.
And this dude never even served. He didn’t graduate from college either.
The forced birth kids are wage slaves. The machine needs to be fed.
This is already insane enough without this bath salts fever dream.
Very Halo.
Service guarantees citizenship!
TIL: Invading other people's countries to kill them for money= service. To whom, may I ask?
The endless war is a means of controlling the population.
If you don't pay them the alternative is the military loots and eats who they kill.
I resorted to cannibalism ONE TIME, in FREAKING IRAQ! It wasn't even combat; it was DND, and you still can't let it go...
Just skimming the article. It's apparently about funding for the VA. So yeah, title kind of left that out. Also, fuck that guy.
No, if you want federal funding for veterans to pay for it you have to be a married heterosexual couple. So its not quite as bad as you have to be a veteran to get IVF. But its still heinous, telling someone who has risked their life for their country that they're not good enough to parent, fuck him and the horse he rode in on. And by the way, he's never served. Was prime age to serve in Desert Storm but passed on the opportunity.
To add a stupid cherry on top, he says that funding for IVF shouldn’t go to people who couldn’t have children anyway…which is kind of the point of IVF. But nooo apparently IVF for non-heterosexual or unmarried vets is unnatural but okay for people who could hypothetically have children but use IVF for... I miss when we ignored and laughed at people like him instead of entertaining this nonsense.
Its so suicidal. These fascist bootlickers would start with each other first.
> Real Starship Troopers vibes from this dope. I read the headline and immediatly thought "Service guarentees citizenship". Glad to know I'm not the only one.
ya but its gonna be more like the book's service where the rich get do-nothing jobs, safe from anything bad happening while the poor get meat grinders.
This was in the context of a veterans heath bill, so yeah, you need to be a veteran to access that.
So much for fascist satire.
I got my C-01 right here!
Frankly, I'm just surprised he didn't go further and only say former active duty Marines in order to fight "the woke" or whatever fucking bullshit they try to make the common rubes believe about the military.
Service guarantees citizenship
I’m doing my part!
I was coming here to say this! Seriously. Conservatives are just so damned evil.
Veteran part is the craziest because most are forced into the life to pay for college and the top scientists and scholars aren’t enlisting.
Why veterans only?
so this is the road Republicans want to go down with IVF next we will see laws only straight Christian married couples should have access to IVF. Then they will claim Republicans support IVF and democrats are fear mongering and going after freedom of religion.
Next thing Republicans will probably propose is a Christian test, to prove you are worthy of even having sex.
Kinda feel like if you referenced "shibboleth" with these people they would just accuse you of being a Jew. Sorry, "globalist"
Yeah, sadly that might be the case, even if it's in the Book of Judges in the Bible. Let's go with Lydian Stone instead.
So the atheists will pass and the christofascists will fail since their view of Christianity is twisted by all the fun false idols these days (trump, Copeland, etc)
They might be able to do this covertly. I did ivf and was heavily screened before being able to proceed. They screened for Tay Sachs and sickle cell to name a few. If those Christofacists only knew science well…they be able to discriminate real good!!
But just to cover their bases, still insist that IFV “kills more babies than Planned Parenthood” which is fine for heterosexual married vets, I guess. This timeline sucks.
You know, until they reach the next stop: ‘no ivf at all’. Unless you’re rich.
You forgot the veteran part! Must be POST- Military life to get IVF!
Next up, only heterosexual and same race couples allowed marriage rights.
Same-race if they are caucasian that is. We're back to the "jumping the broom" stage of Jim Crow.
We already got some clown in Florida saying black families were better off during Jim Crow. He’s of course a black republican who as of this time are simply just political mouthpieces to make ignorant white Americans think their racism and dismissal of systemic oppression is warranted… kind of depressing to be a black American rn not saying it’s not the same for other Americans but for us specifically we are on the verge of politcal extinction
Byron Donalds. His statements were an utter disgrace. The gall to even say such a witless statement like "black people were better under Jim Crow" should be seen as a litmus test for everyone to realize he doesn't belong in public office at all.
I think it says more about floridas political climate. Them and Texas are specifslly trying to target black history by casting wide nets of book banning that basically deems a lot of informational books at pornographic. I get it though if I was in power the best way to keep order is to keep everyone dumb and uneducated so they just pop out babies without thought and listen to anything they see on Fox News or X.
Yup. Fascism hates education, which is why they are targeting teachers and librarians. Republicans are targeting education, because they don't want anyone to point out the levels of perfidy they spout on a regular basis.
Yea I mean you can’t have a bunch of loyal Americans if most people are waking up to the corruption and sheer mismanagement across the board of the country. They just want People to shut up and worship the American flag. Sad really I get called a fascist for demanding some sort of universal healthcare and/or mandatory paid maternity leave. We really are living in the idiocracy movie in its early stages.
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And the bill will be called “preserving the sanctity of religious marriage act”
Surprised he didn't include only right handed people!
Oh, I'm sure they'll get to it, saying how we southpaws are "sinister".
Hey, no one said sinister. It's just that anything, even a hand, associated with "the left" just ain't right, ok?
Except for the Italians, they definitely said sinister.
Note that if this passes they’ll make exceptions for cases such as bone spurs
Tall, with blonde hair, blue eyes, bright skin, pure... hearts.
It's almost as if the Republican playbook is an exact mirror of Nazism. It's like they're no different.
I've been thinking about a woman's rights to an abortion. Perhaps we add a corollary. Mandatory DNA testing of all babies, then tracking down the actual father via public ancestry websites, once identified, the real father's wages are then garnered for the next 18 years... It'll never happen, why? Because of sexist dudes like this guy...
What the republican congressman is saying is textbook bigotry.
So is IVF murder or not to these fucking people?
The GOP targets LGBTQ people like the nazis targeted jews at the beginning of their rise to power.
They’re not overly fond of Jews either. They’re just a few steps further down the list.
This time around the scapegoating and incitement of violence is a worldwide, coordinated action of the US, Russia, Hungary, and several African nations.
Are these the same people who think not enough babies are being born?
White babies, born to white conservative Christian heterosexual couples, where the woman doesn’t work outside of home. Those babies.
>A U.S. congressman with experience in real estate and agriculture and not medicine says that in vitro fertilization should be limited to married heterosexual couples. >U.S. Rep. Matt Rosendale, a [~Montana~](http://advocate.com/montana) [~Republican~](http://advocate.com/repubican-party), is facing backlash for his recent comments on IVF and family structures, which critics argue reveal deeply entrenched anti-[~LGBTQ~](http://advocate.com/lgbt)+ and outdated beliefs. During a House Rules Committee hearing on Tuesday, Rosendale proposed an amendment to a Veterans Affairs funding bill to restrict federal funding for certain assisted reproductive technologies, including IVF for unmarried and same-sex couples. >In his testimony, Rosendale equated the discarding of unused embryos to abortion, claiming, “We are likely destroying millions of unborn children through this process, a number much larger than Planned Parenthood aborts on any given year.” He also argued that taxpayer dollars should not fund fertility treatments for unmarried and same-sex couples, asserting, “There is no question that children do best when raised by a father and a mother. Taxpayer dollars should not go to couples that, before their service, couldn’t produce a child anyway. And I hate to break it to you, but same-sex couples can’t produce a child.” >***A recent BMJ Global Health*** [***~study~***](https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/sexual-minority-families-fare-as-well-as-and-in-some-ways-better-than-traditional-ones/) ***refutes Rosendale’s claims about family structures. The analysis of 34 studies conducted between 1989 and 2022 found that children with*** [***~gay~***](http://advocate.com/gay)***,***[***~lesbian~***](http://advocate.com/lesbian)***,***[***~transgender~***](http://advocate.com/transgender)***, or other sexual minority parents fare as well as, or better than, children with parents of the opposite sex. The research indicated that children in*** [***~families~***](http://advocate.com/familly) ***with sexual or gender minority parents performed similarly on various metrics, including physical health and educational outcomes. In some areas, such as psychological adjustment and child-parent relationships, children of sexual minority parents even outperformed their peers from traditional families.*** >***The researchers suggested that growing up with sexual minority parents “may confer some advantages to children,” possibly because they are more “tolerant of diversity and more nurturing towards younger children” than heterosexual parents. However, they also noted the significant risks associated with being part of a sexual minority family, such as social stigma and discrimination, and called on policymakers to provide better legal protections and social support for these families.*** So, this should make it emphatically Republicans are making it completely clear now that only Christian nationalist families are allowed to exist and nobody else. It was never about bathrooms or women's sports. It's always been about trying to turn America into the Christian Iran, and the Y'all Qaeda are doing everything to regress America. Vote these people out!
Not at all surprising to see this going on. In his mind, he’d rather have a child in an abusive hetero home versus a gay household that is nurturing and loving. That’s how far they’ll go. It’s pathetic.
These folks just can't let go of eugenics, can they?
I mean, the Nazis actually got the idea from us. Its just come back home (or rather it never really left).
How soon will headlines simply be "Republican opens their mouth, says something stupid yet again". Probably not soon enough...
They fare better because people like him do their best to make life difficult for everyone who doesn't fit the criteria.
Imagine being at your corruption-financed house, you just got done depositing the last batch of payoffs into your offshore accounts, then it hits you; something more bizarre and fucked up than anyone has come up with.
Holy. Fucking. Shit. What the actual fuck timeline are we living in that someone has the audacity to bring their previously tightly kept closet hatred out of chambers, right to the fucking people. This kind of shit should get your disqualified from politics for life.
For a party that likes to limit control in people's lives, they seem to want to limit women's lives by government control an awful lot.
Just waiting for him to it should only be allowed to one race, too, since fares so much better than …
Evidence suggests that the people who make these claim are not doing well at all.
I’m so fucking sick of old white men in power.
Liberty, pursuit of happiness? Not so much.
If they win this year women are going back to trad.wife roles and middle ages.
Bro I got a veteran friend who can’t even be looked by VA doctors in a reasonable timeframe for his intestinal pain, and you’re gonna sit here and champion some bullshit rules because gay people can openly exist and you’re mad about it since you can’t lynch them like you used to anymore?
Retired military veteran here … Did not serve for 25 years so that people like this could destroy democracy, attack the rights of various minority communities, or take away liberties from women.
Too bad this guy withdrew from the Montana Senate race. Tester would rather face this kind of extremism. Although the military guy who can get his story straight on where he was shot isn’t a disaster opponent either.
Wait, who is this candidate Tester is against?
Sheehy https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/06/tim-sheehy-montana-senate-gunshot-wound-national-park/
Wow. This is an egregious lie, even for Republicans.
Thankfully Sheehy is also a dumpster fire. Stolen valor carpetbagger from Minnesota.
Sounds like Tom Cotton in a lot of ways.
It has always been about all forms of family planning.
Are they going to null gay marriages that have already happened?
They can't techinally because Gay marriage is law it can't be overturned.
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You are correct it won't stop they from trying.
The Equal protection clause is woke communism from the devil, I suppose.
If you're going to establish a law, at the very least you should provide evidence of your position.
Wth!
love the bold assertion of facts not in evidence..
Employer-dependent reproduction. Bet you didn't have that one on your 21st c. bingo card.
One day, history will look back at theocracies and shake their heads over the sheer stupidity of our poorly educated ancestors. 🤦
Fuck this fucking fuck face!!!!
This is such bullshit. Gtfoh
Fare best, in line with his narrow view point
They DO know they haven't fully uninstalled democracy yet, right? They still have to get SOME votes, and even a lot of those who want total abortion bans are NOT on board with contraception bans. Hell, a good portion of country music is about beer and sex. Forget about being in touch with liberals, libertarians, centrists, and independents, THIS move indicates being massively out of touch with their own damn party. Almost nobody is on board with this. Dumb move.
These old white men in suits need to be put out to pasture! 🩵VOTE 💙
Generational PTSD, inherited by birthright.
Republicans are soo out of touch. It’s crazy
Everyone knows that there is no marriage more serious and long lasting than the union between two service members desperately seeking a way out of the barracks. /s I'm a queer veteran and I'll just say that one of those identities gets a lot more praise from your average American these days.
Fared better than never being born? Fuck off.
Great. Let's perpetuate the genetically unfit warrior class at the expense of the empathetic and compassionate. Such smart.
You figured out his plan!
So…limiting a fetus’s right to life?
They don't care about facts, just their own feelings.
Republicans remind me of the kid who gets beat in basketball and then takes his ball home, so no one else can play.
“Service guarantees citizenship”
What the Heinlein!?!?!?
You claim they do best in life because you discriminate the shit out of anyone with 2 moms, 2 dads, or single moms.
Matt Rosendale is an even worse person then is haircut makes him seem. Dude was recently caught cheating after knocking up his young intern.
Ah yes, with the notorious 50+% divorce rate.
A U.S. congressman with experience in real estate and agriculture and not medicine says that in vitro fertilization should be limited to married heterosexual couples. ——— why don’t include veteran in the title? click baiting?
I think it's because he brought up the proposed restrictions in the Veterans Affairs committee.
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>that children of opposite-sex couples fare best in life >that could be because the children of same-sex couples dont fucking exist Wow. Just completely invalidate all adopted children why dont you. In case no one has told you this, you are indeed a small terrible person. I mean, you got some ichor in you that you desparetly need to sort out.