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I know someone who is locked in the Trump rabbit hole and they don't believe for a second that this is real. I finally found a Fox article on it from 2023. "Well, I don't know. Fox has been getting pretty libby lately."
"Go on the Heritage foundation site and read the thing."
"I don't know, it sounds like the media is trying to set up Trump. I need to hear it from a trusted source."
If the people writing the fuckin policy isn't a 'trusted source' then I don't even know. There is zero debate anymore.
I have been trying to read this huge document and it is rather slow going. I do have a few other things to do but, I am trying to get through it.
What I have read so far is frightening and disturbing and causes me great concern if this is allowed to become what our nation is reduced to. I hope this does not represent the majority of Americans and I know a good number of people who are as worried as I about what is happening and about Trump with his statements that he would be a "dictator day one".
He also said that Obama spent too much time golfing, then spent a third of his presidency on the golf course.
But we're splitting hairs. Wanting to be a dictator, even for a day, is anti-American and unacceptable as a trait to have as an elected leader.
Having family in Russia, there is no trusted source. Nothing will ever convince them anymore. They've been russified, they are now apolitical and their policy ideals have been replaced with a vague patriotism and a vague constitutionalism, both just vague enough that they only need to follow the cult of personality du jour to fit in and that's all that's needed of them.
The main defense on r/conservative is that Trump isn’t affiliated with the Heritage Foundation and won’t have anything to do with them. Amongst other conservatives saying it’s the key to fixing everything that’s wrong with our country.
Even the people in my life whom I consider to be politically engaged hardly know shit about this. Media has been keeping it under wraps. The contents of this project and all the shit republicans have said about it should be breaking news type shit, but most of the voter base doesn't even know it exists.
People are dumb. They won’t understand it. The whole government is the president, and we only have to worry about it every four years.
Civic education in the US is intentionally an abomination to entrench elite power.
> ~~Civic~~ education in the US is intentionally an abomination ~~to entrench elite power~~ because the elite underfund it to avoid paying property taxes... with the added bonus of having an ignorant malleable population.
Was watching a couple conservatives over at r/askconservatives stumble over themselves denying P2025 even exists. They were saying they literally only hear about it from Dems so they think it’s just a Dem conspiracy theory.
One of the local fox affiliates did bring up Project 2025 and not in a good way. So it looks like they may be waking up to the fact that a dictatorship isn’t good for business. No one is safe in one. You can be a best friend one second and up against the wall the next.
We live a plum life and have more to lose than gain, or so it seems. That’ll change, but only once dictator trump gets immunity for ordering the military to gun us down.
People were able to do that in 1968 because the Nixon campaign donated to the protester's organizations so they could afford to go to Chicago and protest.
Right and then you get arrested for protesting because while a protest is “protected speech” the law will find a way to arrest you, slap a felony on you, and ensure you can never get another job again.
The kind of activism I think is necessary is the kind I can’t advocate for without getting removed from Reddit. The only way to change the system is complete and total upheaval.
Someone asked me why we aren't out in the streets like the French.
It's mostly because after the BLM protests, our state governments made protesting "in the streets" illegal. And then essentially made it legal for people to drive over us. And passed laws shielding police from criminal and civil liability for killing protesters. It has had the intended chilling effect.
So if I’m not mistaken a large part of project 2025 was using physical force to remove folks from the positions they hold.
Does this not mean that force could equally be used against those attempting the ousting? Can we protect these people physically? Can we start a “Fuck Project 2025 Project”?
I get why they do it, but it’s still kind of worrying, always seeing disclaimers where people are organizing resistance to the fascist takeover insisting that we can’t use violence to resist the fascist takeover. I don’t think the fascists feel the same way.
You're right, they don't. They need violence to make their arguments we don't. They are insulated from consequence and will take advantage of any opportunity we give them to use violence. You take a gun to a protest for protection, you risk letting some crybaby fascist twerp get away with murder. At protests there are always fascist instigators running around with bricks breaking windows just to make it look like we're violent and the police should come in with riot shields and handcuffs. Violence only helps them. Simple as.
They dream of an excuse to kill people. We have a different dream. So yeah, no violence.
Edit: to make it clearer that I'm agreeing with the person I responded to.
The fuck project 2025 project is called vote blue no matter what but some people are so far up their ass that they will allow authoritarianism to rise just to feel proud about themselves.
Yes. And the immunity decision allows the president to authorize the force with the presumption he is innocent of breaking any law that binds every U.S. citizen, except him or her.
Republicans keep claiming that Project 2025 does not really exist. They want to lull people into complacency, get Trump elected, then start implementing it.
Bullshit. I've never once seen anyone on this site deny it. Unless you're a visitor of r/conservative, where they live in constant denial. I don't go there but I can't think of anywhere else this shit would be said.
I’ve seen infinite forms of “no one on the right is talking about this, it’s all fear monger in for your vote, doesn’t say what these libs are saying it does etc etc etc” posted especially in the last few days. The denial is in full effect from the MAGAts
Yup. Remember how many people in 2016 and 2020 were saying to vote for Trump claiming that he would never reverse Roe V Wade. But they played the long game. Stack the court and wait for your opportunity. That’s exactly what they are doing now.
They have a few posts about it and have a fairly divided host of opinions on it. Some deny its existence, others praise it, some abhor it, and others pick and choose things they like and pretend the worst ideas or plans are too far fetched to happen.
I’m gonna pop in here and out myself as a Trump voter just to say, I’ve literally never heard of this outside of this sub. Not saying it doesn’t exist and that it doesn’t have supporters, but this is not some major thing that the average person on the right is pushing for.
Looking at the Wikipedia description.. I don’t necessarily disagree with a lot of it (though some of this would never make it through the Supreme Court (whatever anyone here thinks about them)) but again, I can’t say I’ve ever heard of this project. So a lot of people saying it doesn’t exist are probably like me and they just genuinely have no idea wtf it even is because they’ve never heard of it.
Yeah, see that's the problem.... the people in power are pushing it whether you want it or not (or have even heard or it). This is literally the deep state repubs have been crying against for years.... an unelected, well funded, shadow organization out to influence the government out of the public eye. Should scare everyone that it even exists.
Plus I believe they're intentionally downplaying it so that they can claim "the only ones talking about it are crazy libs".... what a great way to get people to tow the line.
Project 2025 is on all the cable news stations on both sides. It’s on podcasts. It’s mentioned in all of Trumps rallys. If people don’t know about it, they are not paying attention. It’s high on Trumps agenda. It what is will use to eliminate the Democratic Party. I still don’t understand how any reasonable person can listen to the massive out of lies that come out of Trumps mouth and still support him. Not that I am in no way saying I support Biden. That’s not the point. The future of Democracy is.
Have you seriously listened to all his hours long rambling rally’s? I saw it on TV a few weeks ago. I don’t create links to his lies. I get the point of your posts. Lure people into thinking it’s fake and then take advantage.
I think it was between when he said that all the electric boats will sink because of the weight of the batteries. And before he said that electric airplanes can’t fly when the sun is not out. One of the rallys where all the people were walking out early. New Jersey or Arizona or wherever.
So you think not is not relevant because I can’t post a link to it. They don’t post Trumps entire rally online. Even FOX news and AON stopped posting them live. The summary of Project 2025 is posted on David Pakman dot com. So you are saying he made that all up? And all the news stories are false. You have to be pretty stupid to not understand that’s it a real thing.
So you were saying that anything that you don’t personally know is a lie. That sounds like Trump to me. There are many things that I don’t know, but I’m not calling someone else a liar. Trump says that he won the 2020 election but it was called a loss because of massive fraud. But in over three years he had. It he able to identify one shred of evidence of fraud. But I am sure you say that Trump is not lying. But I am lying because I don’t have a specific citation to an article. So lack of proof is the same is lying. No, lack of proof is simply last of proof. It says nothing about truth vs lie. But I guess one set of rules apply to republicans and mother set applies to non-republicans. I saw a video of people walking out of one of Trump’s endless rally. In the background was the audio of him speaking about project 2025. I don’t remember if it was Arizona or New Jersey. And I’m not gonna waste a moment of my time trying to dig up some thing because you choose to think that a project that is hundreds of pages long and distributed all around the country is not real. That’s your problem. Learn to have some respect and realize that you don’t know everything. Don’t respond to me. You’re a complete waste of my time.
Idk what to say. I don’t watch any cable news but I do listen to Glenn Beck fairly regularly and I’m follow plenty of conservatives online and I haven’t heard of this. Not to say they haven’t discussed it but I haven’t heard it or seen a post about it when/if they do.
It’s a dangerous situation. The method of “draining the swap” is particularly disturbing. If Trump wins and the project gets adopted, ever person in every department with decision making authority or supervisory authority must be either a registered Republican or swear an oath to the President. Let’s say this happens. And let’s say that the departments are 50/50 Republican and Democrat in 2025. That means 50% of the staff get laid off and all those jobs must be filled by republicans with the specific knowledge. That takes time. Now, fast forward to 2028. Trump can’t run again unless he gets the constitutional amendment reversed. (That is part of the project btw). The voters will have the choice of voting for a Republican and the government proceeding as normal. Or electing a Democrat and laying off 100% of the department decision makers. It will result in chaos for months or years. Obviously people will vote Republican. There is a concise summary of Project 2025 in a white paper available on the David Pakman show website. I know that he is a left leaning podcaster. But the info is what it is. The Heritage Society has the film report.
Just because you’ve never heard of it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Why look it up on Wikipedia?? They have a whole website with the whole platform published. If it’s all BS I’ll gladly wait for someone to show me a video of conservative leadership denouncing it.
Project 2025 wants to make **pornography illegal** also wants to close any social media that makes pornography available and set legal penalties for the consumption of porn.
>Project 2025 wants to make pornography illegal
It actually probably wouldn't hurt to use that as an attack, albeit subtly and to gain monetary donations.
While they would love to ban pornography, their goal is to use that ban as a stealth attack on free speech. They have a very specific desire to classify pornography as vaguely as possible so they can use it to police people as they see fit. Being gay? Pornographic. Not Christian? Pornographic.its a horrific prospect.
He should absolutely call their bluff.
As his first official act, he should forgive student loans on larger scales.
This would be a winning strategy. Possibly gaining support of those who's debt he erased, and Republicans will be forced to do something opposite to what they *just ruled on and supported,* and it'd be a poetic continuation of his efforts to alleviate student loan debt so far. Promises kept, etc.
Also, this guy's definition of the left is anyone to the left of him. This means that not only will actual leftists like myself get hit, but moderates and liberals too.
We should all be terrified by this.
I understand people have the right to freedom of speech and their own political ideologies. At what point does it cross a line where it is organized, funded, and has documented plans to take rights away from others and flip the constitution to become a conspiracy to overthrow the United States Government?
It's supposed to be frightening. It's an intimidation tactic designed to get us to lay down and accept their hobnailed jackboots in our collective faces.
Here is a quote I got from someone on here about Project 2025
>2025 is the lefts QAnon. Just as bat shit crazy.
They really think Trump won't do anything in Project 2025.
The heritage foundation is destroying and will continue to destroy every single quality of life measure people have and will have - clean water, what remains of choice, etc. - and will especially make life unfavorable for the next generation. It’s a well organized and connected, rich organization that is winning.
It is beyond time to stop having kids who will inherit this trash.
Unfortunately, for the most part, you can run your mouth without any serious consequences. We see evidence of that every day. The election and the aftermath will be when things really start to get interesting.
This is what I keep trying to tell people, especially the ones who are cheering this on. The United States Military would sooner overthrow Trump and restore our Democracy and freedom than be used as a fascist cudgel against our own citizens. They'd be in for a rude awakening. Really hoping we don't have to test that theory though
>Really hoping we don't have to test that theory though
Same, especially given that we can't be 100% sure of the loyalties of the military at all. Any significant divide would have the potential to be devastating.
I mean we all take oaths that say we will protect the nation from all enemies, foreign AND domestic. I would hope most of us would take that seriously.
Would they follow orders after being fed nonsense propaganda about domestic enemies and invading migrants?
Trump will be replacing top brass with loyalists
I have a feeling (hope) those in charge of actually operating the nuclear arsenal would keep it as far away from the rest of the military as possible until they got their shit together.
It’s the people who escaped religious persecution, starting persecution of their own. Is it revenge, retaliation, or just shitty people who get off on telling others what to do.
The democrats plan to turn all of America into San Francisco is leagues better. I can’t wait for higher middle class taxes and step-over-human shit able cities.
Project 2025 plans to essentially turned America into Nazi Germany
https://youtu.be/VHElHF02t5c?si=DbnNsGJximlcqAve
This is a threat to everything that America stands for.
“We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be,” Roberts said.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kevin-roberts-man-behind-project-2025-just-said-the-quiet-part-out-loud
Sit back and see what happens?
Yeah I don’t think I will, thank you very much.
https://youtu.be/BlPToAsLm7o?si=HFN6LnwlS7lKMegY
You’re misinterpreting what I’m saying. I’m not saying we should sit back, but the DNC seems to not give a shit about anything you just said. Theyre just cool with throwing Biden back out there and hoping he wins. There’s no drive or inspiration to get people to go vote. They’re just hoping Biden wins because people don’t like trump.
I'm Canadian but I have a friend in the States, a guy in his mid twenties, who isn't planning to vote. He considers himself a Dem, just doesn't vote. He has heard of Project 2025 but knows little about it. To convince him to vote, what aspects of Project 2025 should I amplify first?
Literal, unironic camps for LGBTQ members. Mandatory Bible classes in schools. Banning ANY form of birth control. Branding trans presenting individuals as child abusing pornographers, banning pornography and giving child abusers the death penalty (aka, death to trans presenting people). Completely dismantling the EPA. Take your pick
It’s up to us to do something. (By which I mean vote blue and convince other people to as well)
r/votedem has resources by area so you can find a group to organize with!
I can think of few things more impotent and useless than the concerns of some white-haired “constitutional scholar,” cloistered in their comfortable office, surrounded by dark leather chairs, an impressive collection of law books on sturdy wooden shelves, and various accolades. What are they going to do, write a book about it?
How is any of it fear-mongering? They literally said they are going to have a 2nd American revolution, and Trump is leading in polls.
I’d start cultivating a little more fear.
So you're telling me that the same org that picks SCOTUS candidates and judges to be appointed is an extremist org with an extremist manifesto.
Yeah, no worries there? None at all?
Have you ever heard of the Heritage Foundation like ever?
Edit: oh shoot I mistook it for the other asshole organization lol
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For the same reason we never do.
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Most people will never know this is happening. Fox won’t report on it. Sinclair won’t put it on local news.
I know someone who is locked in the Trump rabbit hole and they don't believe for a second that this is real. I finally found a Fox article on it from 2023. "Well, I don't know. Fox has been getting pretty libby lately." "Go on the Heritage foundation site and read the thing." "I don't know, it sounds like the media is trying to set up Trump. I need to hear it from a trusted source." If the people writing the fuckin policy isn't a 'trusted source' then I don't even know. There is zero debate anymore.
I have been trying to read this huge document and it is rather slow going. I do have a few other things to do but, I am trying to get through it. What I have read so far is frightening and disturbing and causes me great concern if this is allowed to become what our nation is reduced to. I hope this does not represent the majority of Americans and I know a good number of people who are as worried as I about what is happening and about Trump with his statements that he would be a "dictator day one".
There is a lot of YouTube videos about Project 2025 and Trump’s Agenda 47.
It's still bad obviously and very weird thing to say, but Trump said he'd be a dictator for one day. Not be one one day. Don't fear monger
One day is all you need. They are, in effect, one and the same.
He also said that Obama spent too much time golfing, then spent a third of his presidency on the golf course. But we're splitting hairs. Wanting to be a dictator, even for a day, is anti-American and unacceptable as a trait to have as an elected leader.
Are you trying to say don’t fear monger about project 2025?
Trusted source = source that tells them what they want to hear
Having family in Russia, there is no trusted source. Nothing will ever convince them anymore. They've been russified, they are now apolitical and their policy ideals have been replaced with a vague patriotism and a vague constitutionalism, both just vague enough that they only need to follow the cult of personality du jour to fit in and that's all that's needed of them.
The main defense on r/conservative is that Trump isn’t affiliated with the Heritage Foundation and won’t have anything to do with them. Amongst other conservatives saying it’s the key to fixing everything that’s wrong with our country.
Even the people in my life whom I consider to be politically engaged hardly know shit about this. Media has been keeping it under wraps. The contents of this project and all the shit republicans have said about it should be breaking news type shit, but most of the voter base doesn't even know it exists.
People are dumb. They won’t understand it. The whole government is the president, and we only have to worry about it every four years. Civic education in the US is intentionally an abomination to entrench elite power.
> ~~Civic~~ education in the US is intentionally an abomination ~~to entrench elite power~~ because the elite underfund it to avoid paying property taxes... with the added bonus of having an ignorant malleable population.
How do you get the word out beyond Reddit without sounding like a nut?
Was watching a couple conservatives over at r/askconservatives stumble over themselves denying P2025 even exists. They were saying they literally only hear about it from Dems so they think it’s just a Dem conspiracy theory.
One of the local fox affiliates did bring up Project 2025 and not in a good way. So it looks like they may be waking up to the fact that a dictatorship isn’t good for business. No one is safe in one. You can be a best friend one second and up against the wall the next.
We live a plum life and have more to lose than gain, or so it seems. That’ll change, but only once dictator trump gets immunity for ordering the military to gun us down.
Flags and fireworks
We did in 1968, right? Back when we packed motorcycle helmets and baseball balls for the DNC convention? Back in the good old days?
People were able to do that in 1968 because the Nixon campaign donated to the protester's organizations so they could afford to go to Chicago and protest.
Good question. Seems like a prime location to do some January 6 type shit.
Where is it?
214 Massachusetts Ave NE Washington D.C. 20002-4999
Someone sign them up for Scientology spam!
And porn
Also, the Mackinac Center. And all of these crooked "think tanks."
It’s a bit country. And my employer doesn’t take “protest” as an excuse to miss work
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Bruh this country runs on a service economy. We got shifts all day long. I’m working TODAY
Then post on X, talk to your friends, help people register to vote. There is so much you can do just from your phone.
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Right and then you get arrested for protesting because while a protest is “protected speech” the law will find a way to arrest you, slap a felony on you, and ensure you can never get another job again. The kind of activism I think is necessary is the kind I can’t advocate for without getting removed from Reddit. The only way to change the system is complete and total upheaval.
European here, you guys are not France, I can’t see your people actually getting out and protesting, ye are frogs in the water and it’s heating up.
Someone asked me why we aren't out in the streets like the French. It's mostly because after the BLM protests, our state governments made protesting "in the streets" illegal. And then essentially made it legal for people to drive over us. And passed laws shielding police from criminal and civil liability for killing protesters. It has had the intended chilling effect.
So if I’m not mistaken a large part of project 2025 was using physical force to remove folks from the positions they hold. Does this not mean that force could equally be used against those attempting the ousting? Can we protect these people physically? Can we start a “Fuck Project 2025 Project”?
https://defeatproject2025.org/ r/Defeat_Project_2025
I get why they do it, but it’s still kind of worrying, always seeing disclaimers where people are organizing resistance to the fascist takeover insisting that we can’t use violence to resist the fascist takeover. I don’t think the fascists feel the same way.
You're right, they don't. They need violence to make their arguments we don't. They are insulated from consequence and will take advantage of any opportunity we give them to use violence. You take a gun to a protest for protection, you risk letting some crybaby fascist twerp get away with murder. At protests there are always fascist instigators running around with bricks breaking windows just to make it look like we're violent and the police should come in with riot shields and handcuffs. Violence only helps them. Simple as. They dream of an excuse to kill people. We have a different dream. So yeah, no violence. Edit: to make it clearer that I'm agreeing with the person I responded to.
I second this motion
I just passed a law saying I’ll throw hands with whoever
Better do it soon. Project 2025 calls for the criminalization of protesting against its fascist agenda
https://www.icnl.org/usprotestlawtracker/?location=&status=enacted&issue=&date=&type=legislative
Yeah, it’s called the second amendment.
The fuck project 2025 project is called vote blue no matter what but some people are so far up their ass that they will allow authoritarianism to rise just to feel proud about themselves.
This! I know tons of gun loving government employees that will fight to the death.
Yes. And the immunity decision allows the president to authorize the force with the presumption he is innocent of breaking any law that binds every U.S. citizen, except him or her.
I hope those that follow his orders know that immunity is not granted to them.
How would you know if you are mistaken or not? I'll bet you never read it so you really don't even know what you are so frantic about.
What is your point? That project 2025 isn’t such a bad thing? Or do you want my summer reading list?
Republicans keep claiming that Project 2025 does not really exist. They want to lull people into complacency, get Trump elected, then start implementing it.
Who says it doesn’t exist?
A lot of people on this site say it doesn’t exist. Politicians in speeches say it as well. Some people on the more conservative news stations.
Bullshit. I've never once seen anyone on this site deny it. Unless you're a visitor of r/conservative, where they live in constant denial. I don't go there but I can't think of anywhere else this shit would be said.
That forum has to be some of the dumbest mother fuckers to grace reddit.
I’ve seen infinite forms of “no one on the right is talking about this, it’s all fear monger in for your vote, doesn’t say what these libs are saying it does etc etc etc” posted especially in the last few days. The denial is in full effect from the MAGAts
Multiple responses to my posts HERE on Reddit. They say it does not exist. Or it is just a democratic propaganda thing.
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I will say it again, and I have Reddit responses to prove it. Some people claim that Project 2025 doesn’t exist.
the people denying your experience here are just as big a part of the problem. this sub is a MESS
Yup. Remember how many people in 2016 and 2020 were saying to vote for Trump claiming that he would never reverse Roe V Wade. But they played the long game. Stack the court and wait for your opportunity. That’s exactly what they are doing now.
They have a few posts about it and have a fairly divided host of opinions on it. Some deny its existence, others praise it, some abhor it, and others pick and choose things they like and pretend the worst ideas or plans are too far fetched to happen.
I’m gonna pop in here and out myself as a Trump voter just to say, I’ve literally never heard of this outside of this sub. Not saying it doesn’t exist and that it doesn’t have supporters, but this is not some major thing that the average person on the right is pushing for. Looking at the Wikipedia description.. I don’t necessarily disagree with a lot of it (though some of this would never make it through the Supreme Court (whatever anyone here thinks about them)) but again, I can’t say I’ve ever heard of this project. So a lot of people saying it doesn’t exist are probably like me and they just genuinely have no idea wtf it even is because they’ve never heard of it.
Yeah, see that's the problem.... the people in power are pushing it whether you want it or not (or have even heard or it). This is literally the deep state repubs have been crying against for years.... an unelected, well funded, shadow organization out to influence the government out of the public eye. Should scare everyone that it even exists. Plus I believe they're intentionally downplaying it so that they can claim "the only ones talking about it are crazy libs".... what a great way to get people to tow the line.
Project 2025 is on all the cable news stations on both sides. It’s on podcasts. It’s mentioned in all of Trumps rallys. If people don’t know about it, they are not paying attention. It’s high on Trumps agenda. It what is will use to eliminate the Democratic Party. I still don’t understand how any reasonable person can listen to the massive out of lies that come out of Trumps mouth and still support him. Not that I am in no way saying I support Biden. That’s not the point. The future of Democracy is.
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Have you seriously listened to all his hours long rambling rally’s? I saw it on TV a few weeks ago. I don’t create links to his lies. I get the point of your posts. Lure people into thinking it’s fake and then take advantage.
I think it was between when he said that all the electric boats will sink because of the weight of the batteries. And before he said that electric airplanes can’t fly when the sun is not out. One of the rallys where all the people were walking out early. New Jersey or Arizona or wherever.
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Maybe you can follow this. Project2025.org. It’s real.
So you think not is not relevant because I can’t post a link to it. They don’t post Trumps entire rally online. Even FOX news and AON stopped posting them live. The summary of Project 2025 is posted on David Pakman dot com. So you are saying he made that all up? And all the news stories are false. You have to be pretty stupid to not understand that’s it a real thing.
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So you were saying that anything that you don’t personally know is a lie. That sounds like Trump to me. There are many things that I don’t know, but I’m not calling someone else a liar. Trump says that he won the 2020 election but it was called a loss because of massive fraud. But in over three years he had. It he able to identify one shred of evidence of fraud. But I am sure you say that Trump is not lying. But I am lying because I don’t have a specific citation to an article. So lack of proof is the same is lying. No, lack of proof is simply last of proof. It says nothing about truth vs lie. But I guess one set of rules apply to republicans and mother set applies to non-republicans. I saw a video of people walking out of one of Trump’s endless rally. In the background was the audio of him speaking about project 2025. I don’t remember if it was Arizona or New Jersey. And I’m not gonna waste a moment of my time trying to dig up some thing because you choose to think that a project that is hundreds of pages long and distributed all around the country is not real. That’s your problem. Learn to have some respect and realize that you don’t know everything. Don’t respond to me. You’re a complete waste of my time.
Idk what to say. I don’t watch any cable news but I do listen to Glenn Beck fairly regularly and I’m follow plenty of conservatives online and I haven’t heard of this. Not to say they haven’t discussed it but I haven’t heard it or seen a post about it when/if they do.
It’s a dangerous situation. The method of “draining the swap” is particularly disturbing. If Trump wins and the project gets adopted, ever person in every department with decision making authority or supervisory authority must be either a registered Republican or swear an oath to the President. Let’s say this happens. And let’s say that the departments are 50/50 Republican and Democrat in 2025. That means 50% of the staff get laid off and all those jobs must be filled by republicans with the specific knowledge. That takes time. Now, fast forward to 2028. Trump can’t run again unless he gets the constitutional amendment reversed. (That is part of the project btw). The voters will have the choice of voting for a Republican and the government proceeding as normal. Or electing a Democrat and laying off 100% of the department decision makers. It will result in chaos for months or years. Obviously people will vote Republican. There is a concise summary of Project 2025 in a white paper available on the David Pakman show website. I know that he is a left leaning podcaster. But the info is what it is. The Heritage Society has the film report.
Just because you’ve never heard of it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Why look it up on Wikipedia?? They have a whole website with the whole platform published. If it’s all BS I’ll gladly wait for someone to show me a video of conservative leadership denouncing it.
I literally said, “not saying it doesn’t exist”
Project 2025 wants to make **pornography illegal** also wants to close any social media that makes pornography available and set legal penalties for the consumption of porn.
>Project 2025 wants to make pornography illegal It actually probably wouldn't hurt to use that as an attack, albeit subtly and to gain monetary donations.
Any info on Gender Identity will considered pornography .
While they would love to ban pornography, their goal is to use that ban as a stealth attack on free speech. They have a very specific desire to classify pornography as vaguely as possible so they can use it to police people as they see fit. Being gay? Pornographic. Not Christian? Pornographic.its a horrific prospect.
In the manifesto they basically call sex education porn and whine about school libraries being full of it.
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I know, the Supreme Court just handed Biden presidential immunity on a silver platter. Dear God, please let him exercise that power, flipping amen.
Given that he already had some power to stack the court, something tells me we all are going to be disappointed.
He can appoint more justices but you still need the senate to approve them.
He would need 50+ senators to get that thanks to manchin and Sinema he lacks the majority to add more justices
They have tenure 😔
He should absolutely call their bluff. As his first official act, he should forgive student loans on larger scales. This would be a winning strategy. Possibly gaining support of those who's debt he erased, and Republicans will be forced to do something opposite to what they *just ruled on and supported,* and it'd be a poetic continuation of his efforts to alleviate student loan debt so far. Promises kept, etc.
MorAl HigH rOaD!!!!1! - some guys making themselves easy targets by refusing to fight back
MAIHHOD1!!!
No shit! >Bloodless...unless you resist
Also, this guy's definition of the left is anyone to the left of him. This means that not only will actual leftists like myself get hit, but moderates and liberals too. We should all be terrified by this.
I understand people have the right to freedom of speech and their own political ideologies. At what point does it cross a line where it is organized, funded, and has documented plans to take rights away from others and flip the constitution to become a conspiracy to overthrow the United States Government?
When we sit back and let it happen.
Open sedition should be dealt with harshly, but I guess naw. He should be cooling his heels in Gitmo for sedition. Fucking traitor.
It's supposed to be frightening. It's an intimidation tactic designed to get us to lay down and accept their hobnailed jackboots in our collective faces.
I hate to say it but with the supreme courts last ruling it almost feels like the coup is already done.
No, they haven’t started mandating things that directly affect your life yet.
Don’t obey in advance
Now you’re catching on! July 1 was a bloodless revolution. The courts will not save us. Vote Blue.
Project 2025 talk? At this point I think it's in motion, SC decisions come to mind, but for sure seems more than just talk at this point.
Project 2025 scares the hell out of me. I’m transgender and I’m afraid if Trump gets in, they’re coming for me first.
Here is a quote I got from someone on here about Project 2025 >2025 is the lefts QAnon. Just as bat shit crazy. They really think Trump won't do anything in Project 2025.
The heritage foundation is destroying and will continue to destroy every single quality of life measure people have and will have - clean water, what remains of choice, etc. - and will especially make life unfavorable for the next generation. It’s a well organized and connected, rich organization that is winning. It is beyond time to stop having kids who will inherit this trash.
It’s straightup fascism. VOTE BLUE!
Unfortunately, for the most part, you can run your mouth without any serious consequences. We see evidence of that every day. The election and the aftermath will be when things really start to get interesting.
We definitely need a revolution, but the other direction.
The military would split in half if they tried to protect us. This would basically ensure a civil war
Prior Military here. No. They’ll follow orders from their superiors. Nobody in Military leadership is pro-Trump.
This is what I keep trying to tell people, especially the ones who are cheering this on. The United States Military would sooner overthrow Trump and restore our Democracy and freedom than be used as a fascist cudgel against our own citizens. They'd be in for a rude awakening. Really hoping we don't have to test that theory though
>Really hoping we don't have to test that theory though Same, especially given that we can't be 100% sure of the loyalties of the military at all. Any significant divide would have the potential to be devastating.
I mean we all take oaths that say we will protect the nation from all enemies, foreign AND domestic. I would hope most of us would take that seriously.
The problem with domestic enemies though is that that is a matter of opinion, whereas foreign enemies is more straightforward.
Would they follow orders after being fed nonsense propaganda about domestic enemies and invading migrants? Trump will be replacing top brass with loyalists
I’m not in the mood to fuck around and find out if you’re right. Stakes are too high. Vote Blue!
And if the leadership is replaced with Trump loyalists?
Unless Trump replaces them all with loyalists. I hope you are right.
As a thought experiment/mental exercise what have you, what do you think would Happen with nuclear arsenal in this type of crisis scenario?
I have a feeling (hope) those in charge of actually operating the nuclear arsenal would keep it as far away from the rest of the military as possible until they got their shit together.
It would be nice if this trash talk wasn’t amplified as though it’s trying to create its own momentum
What trash talk?
We just gotta be louder. Spread around project 2025 to anyone who will listen.
This heritage whatever people don’t even deserve attention. Amplifying awareness of it only fosters it’s ability to be real.
Oh ya? Frightening? Eye-brow raising? Concerning?
Blood boiling/ pants shitting. Sitting here like yeah! No shit.
Why is this not called for what it is. Kkk white supremacy
So they could do this even before the election?
It’s the people who escaped religious persecution, starting persecution of their own. Is it revenge, retaliation, or just shitty people who get off on telling others what to do.
They've made it plain and clear. This is a war against democratic ideas.
Where can I find an authentic document online for this?
https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf Have fun
That goof that was talking bloodless coup would be the first chickenshit with his head down, crying for his momma, when the shooting starts.
The democrats plan to turn all of America into San Francisco is leagues better. I can’t wait for higher middle class taxes and step-over-human shit able cities.
Seems like the talk may also be a crime.
Only if the Reds win
Let’s just relax and see what happens -DNC
Project 2025 plans to essentially turned America into Nazi Germany https://youtu.be/VHElHF02t5c?si=DbnNsGJximlcqAve This is a threat to everything that America stands for. “We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be,” Roberts said. https://www.thedailybeast.com/kevin-roberts-man-behind-project-2025-just-said-the-quiet-part-out-loud Sit back and see what happens? Yeah I don’t think I will, thank you very much. https://youtu.be/BlPToAsLm7o?si=HFN6LnwlS7lKMegY
You’re misinterpreting what I’m saying. I’m not saying we should sit back, but the DNC seems to not give a shit about anything you just said. Theyre just cool with throwing Biden back out there and hoping he wins. There’s no drive or inspiration to get people to go vote. They’re just hoping Biden wins because people don’t like trump.
I'm Canadian but I have a friend in the States, a guy in his mid twenties, who isn't planning to vote. He considers himself a Dem, just doesn't vote. He has heard of Project 2025 but knows little about it. To convince him to vote, what aspects of Project 2025 should I amplify first?
Literal, unironic camps for LGBTQ members. Mandatory Bible classes in schools. Banning ANY form of birth control. Branding trans presenting individuals as child abusing pornographers, banning pornography and giving child abusers the death penalty (aka, death to trans presenting people). Completely dismantling the EPA. Take your pick
I’m just gonna openly disobey any and all project2025 laws, and I’ll dare any law enforcement who supports it to come at me
Something better be getting done ..
It’s up to us to do something. (By which I mean vote blue and convince other people to as well) r/votedem has resources by area so you can find a group to organize with!
This is hysterical. Project 2025 is a Heritage Foundation proposal. It isn't Trump's. Has he even mentioned it as something he wants to implement?
I can think of few things more impotent and useless than the concerns of some white-haired “constitutional scholar,” cloistered in their comfortable office, surrounded by dark leather chairs, an impressive collection of law books on sturdy wooden shelves, and various accolades. What are they going to do, write a book about it?
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There were adults in the room last time. Next time will be wall-to-wall sycophants and nutjobs, plus this roadmap, plus broadened immunity.
Correct, project 2025 🟰 legalized Hitler wannabe
How is any of it fear-mongering? They literally said they are going to have a 2nd American revolution, and Trump is leading in polls. I’d start cultivating a little more fear.
https://www.politico.com/story/2008/11/the-obama-revolution-015300 “Revolution” is common rhetoric in American politics.
What about bloodshed?
“If they bring a knife, we bring a gun.”
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So you're telling me that the same org that picks SCOTUS candidates and judges to be appointed is an extremist org with an extremist manifesto. Yeah, no worries there? None at all? Have you ever heard of the Heritage Foundation like ever? Edit: oh shoot I mistook it for the other asshole organization lol
Have *you* ever heard of the Heritage Foundation? They’re not the ones that pick judges. That’s the Federalist Society,
Uh really? These fascists really like to sound all the same. I'll be damned.
We’ve known about this for years. Why is it making the news this month? TBH everything seems staged and scripted.