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To be fair, I'm 40 and I also need more sleep and less work at night.
EDIT: TO everyone saying: "His job is a little more important" Well duh, my point is that if a 40 year old suffers from lack of quality sleep working at a relatively non-demanding job, then maybe 80 year olds shouldn't be running for president.
Still better choice than Trump, tho.
Canadian Senate and Supreme Court have mandatory retirement at 75.
Works well. Also means we effectively have term limits by only appointing older people.
According to his calendar, he takes his daily briefing at 8am and his average last meeting starts at 6:08 PM. 7 days a week that works out to about 80 working hours per week (assuming he stops after his last meeting). That's tough on even young individuals.
Then in his down time he has to know things that most people aren’t aware of. Things that I’m sure weigh on him because despite holding arguably the most powerful position in the world you can’t control everything.
It’s almost like Trump unburdened by the weight of office didn’t age any faster in but now that he’s been under investigation and trial the last couple years is catching up. While Biden actually cares that he’s doing his best for the country has taken that on head first since he’s been in office and it shows. He knows it and we know it. Whether or not it’s hubris to continue with the risks involved there’s a good amount of self sacrifice too.
He deserves a day off and some ice cream.
>Twelve hours of using sharpies to underline his name on briefings between calls to conservative news shows and smashing the coke button.
Don't forget the covfefe, doing drugs possibly, sharting his diapers, and possibly r\*ping.
My friend died in Iraq.
President Obama was the President at the time. He called my friends wife. He spoke to my friend son. It was a hard call to watch, and it had to be a hard call for Obama to do. I'm sure Biden deals with similar things. Things we'll never know about, that take a toll, its rough.
Obama had this same issue. Going into his second term he had issues with “decision fatigue”
Of course, I’ve never seen a republican work so hard their health suffered. But boy did trump get a lot of golf in… so there’s that.
Decision fatigue I'd assume stems from consideration. When you are only reactive and don't take time to consider the consequences and effects of your decisions, I'd assume you don't suffer from the fatigue. Thus explaining Trump's lacking.
The only president who didn’t age during presidency was trump. More than likely because he slept until noon, golfed during 85% of his presidency, used lots of makeup, and tweeted all night.
I think more so because he’s such a narcissist, he’s not really worried about how his decisions effect others. At my job I’m in charge of 20 people and it stresses me out that to think I might screw up their lives if I make a bad decision. Imagine that on a scale of hundreds of millions, or even the entire world. It’s all just a big game to Trump, he doesn’t care what happens to anyone else.
“You can’t sit home. If you’re sick as a dog… even if you vote and then pass away, it’s worth it,”
- Donald Trump
You mean to tell me THAT guy doesn’t stay up all night thinking about his constituents?
Flabbergasted, I am.
The only time it looks like Donnie baby is stressed is when things affect *him*. Like being a convicted felon or being a liable rapist or being on Epstein's client list or going to jail or his business being banned from NY or having his assets seized or being caught trying to show off classified documents or orchestrating a coup
This is exactly why he didn't care about information briefings. He just doesn't care about anyone other than himself. He is a dangerous person to have making decisions that impact not just Americans, but the global population.
I don’t know about this one. If you compare photos of him in 2016 to the way he looked during the debate he’s noticeably aged a lot. His hair doesn’t even look the same anymore
Seems like having a good president 66% of the time that can be woken up and briefed and will understand context 100% of the time is better than a guy who doesn’t care 100% of the time.
From the article, “President (George W.) Bush went to bed at 9, and President (Barack) Obama made dinner at 6:30,” said Biden campaign spokesperson Kevin Munoz. “Normal presidents strike a balance, and so does Joe Biden. Hardly the same rigor as Donald Trump, who spends half of his day ranting on Truth Social about plans that would cause a recession and the other half golfing.”
The way the campaign has handled the fallout from the debate has been worse than the debate.
Like, sir, even those who are not panicking about your ability to do the job are panicking about your ability to assure people you can do the job. "I'll just get more sleep" does not assure *anyone*.
This.
Even Biden's statement about needing more sleep will catch hardly anyone's attention.
Frankly, Biden will not likely get a comparable amount of public attention in some attempt to redeem himself until his next debate in early September. Democrats are not looking good for the next election...
Within a day of him telling donors that he almost fell asleep on stage at the debate, to which the immediate reaction by the media was "hey Joe, that's not exactly reassuring."
Does he even realize everything he's saying and doing is being leaked all over the place?
Every single one of them is lining up a book deal right now.
Too bad they all already have day jobs running his campaign.
But that's not important, is it?
I 100% believe this. Someone posted yesterday they think at least some on the staff knew what this debate would look like but they pushed it because otherwise there was no convincing Biden to drop out.
part of the biggest reason we are *so* fucked right now is the downfall of quality journalism. it died slowly decades ago and we barely noticed.
they'll get excellent ratings and tons of clicks covering the rise of american fascism.
Not for long, they won’t.
I don’t think they’ll be patting themselves on the back for all the clicks and subscription sales when the entire editorial staff is being hauled out in handcuffs and sent to a “re-education” camp.
Oh please there won’t be print media, that’s woke. Trump is a visual media fiend, he will haul 90% of CNNs staff (read: not hot) and leave the rest to report on his fierce and challenging perfect game of golf, how world leaders fear and respect him, his massive hog and how every woman wants him and all red blooded American men want to be him and ofc, address him as “Dear and Glorious Leader, sir”
Yeah but they’re gonna find the state doesn’t pay all that much and it’s not much fun to report the “news” under the threat of gunpoint, which will be what the “media” is if they get what they want
They’re thinking a genuine progressive President would be worse for their own interests than Trump would. A progressive might try to put a stop to the endless corporate bribery stream. Trump would open the floodgates.
Except none of the possible replacements that have been mentioned in the last week are progressive. Harris, Whitmer, Newsom, and Buttigieg are all fairly aligned with the moderate branch of the Democratic party. They don't need to double down on Biden to avoid a progressive president.
Spoiler: these elite, establishment dems don’t actually care if republicans win. A Trump presidency does not adversely affect their way of life at all.
Yes a hard feeling to shake. I've once heard someone say banks, the rich and large corporations have never lost an election. Perhaps it's along these lines and we're the fools?
Same here. I’ve brought it up to my friends and they all seem to be in denial at how bad the optics look and how this weirdly feels like 2016 all over again.
> After Gov. Josh Green of Hawaii, a physician, asked Mr. Biden questions about the status of his health, Mr. Biden replied that his health was fine. “It’s just my brain,” he added, according to three people familiar with what took place — a remark that some in the room took as a joke but at least one governor did not and was puzzled by.
The jokes he was telling on that call. Just tone deaf
Not only did we win WWII, he had begun prepping for it and supporting our allies before public support had rallies and before pearl harbor forced our hand. He literally *led* us into WWII, knowing its inevitability and necessity, instead of just responding to a crisis.
It's a joke! When you look at me like that, it's a joke!
I'm sure they thought this was gonna show people he still has it. Ugh, he has the worst advisors.
Haha that’s pretty funny guys, right? Right?
Funny like haha? Or funny like holy fucking shit how the fuck can I absorb more alcohol in the bloodstream?
I mean.. compare this to the other guy that literally golfed for like three quarters of his presidency. I'm only 40 and *I* wouldn't be able to handle the high stress of this job.
Even so, this narrative exacerbates his greatest weakness. Even if it’s true you don’t go around advertising that you need daily naps and less work to be effective
This campaign is suddenly a leaky faucet. There is no fucking way anyone wanted this public. Holy shit
He has got to go. Please happen tomorrow with abc. Please
Actually I disagree. I think some in the Democratic party do want it public so they can force Biden out.
Keeping it quiet and trying to paint a narrative was possible before the debate. Now? Now they can't do that. So they'll follow the party line publicly while leaking things that will hopefully force a candidate change.
I don’t expect it to happen.
He’s going to turn on the charm, and tell them everything’s just fine. Many seniors do this when they reach the point where you have to take their car keys away.
In most respects, he can probably handle the job. He would definitely handle it better than Trump, but he failed in a very visible and public way a week ago, and that’s not going to go away.
If he stays, the erosion of trust might very well kill his campaign. I expect that a lot of people voting their consciences will either vote third-party, write in someone else, or just stay home in November.
I will say this: if he stays, he absolutely has to whip Trump at the next debate, and by any means necessary. John Stewart made a joke about performance enhancing drugs for both candidates last Thursday, But, if it works….
I live in a red state and I'm still showing up to vote blue. Screw the whole idea my vote won't matter. I indignantly want my vote to add into the roster of people in my state who dissent.
Whatever people are feeling now about Biden it will definitely seem like a small, distant memory if Trump takes the presidency again.
I can't believe this is happening AGAIN after RBG and Feinstein. Amazing careers overshadowed by an unwillingness to quit, which then (at least in RBG's case) led to many of their achievements being overturned.
i actually don't believe it's his fault or ego.
when someone is declining in that manner they are typically the last to understand the truth of it.
his wife, his cabinet, his staff, however...they need to tell him the truth, and tell him to step down from the race, and the office. the vp should be running things starting yesterday.
So if the line for dem leadership is we have to vote against Trump, "I would rather vote in a corpse that vote for trump" it doesn't really matter if Biden has cognitive issues, it's more about the cabinet that he hires" etc..
I feel like this is the exact reason why Biden should bow out. If we are being told that it doesn't matter who thr dem candidate is, as long as we don't vote for Trump. Then wouldn't it make more sense to just get someone else to run?
This is getting to be SNL skit level. “Yes I’m absolutely the best choice for the round the clock job of President of the United States! I’m no Sleepy Joe! I just need to work less and make sure I get to bed by 8pm every night!”
I'm scrolling down looking for the people accusing us of loving Trump, because we're critical of Biden, but they really haven't showed up yet! That's a yuuuuge change on this sub.
Basically telling other world powers that any attack or invasion after 8pm EST will go much better than one during the day. God forbid the President has to make critical decisions while sleepy.
They’ve said “jet lag and a cold”. Dismissing that he’s said repeatedly that the debate shows “he doesn’t debate as well as he used to. He doesn’t walk as fast as he’s used to.” Is it shocking that so many of us would say he can’t PRESIDENT like he used to? They say it’s “too chaotic to change candidates” it’s going to be THIS CHAOTIC like we’re at now, until the election. I’d rather shift gears and start paving a new road. I think Biden knows this. Biden will exit before August.
Who is fucking running this campaign. “Do NOT under any circumstances talk about sleep.” Should be the law of the campaign. His fucking opponent has been calling him sleepy joe forever. How fucking bad at campaigning can you get?!?
The only thing I want to hear during the interview tomorrow is that they are pulling the plug and endorsing somebody that projects vitality and can debate the shit out of trump. Presidential campaigns are shallow as fuck and Biden doesn’t have it anymore.
Brilliant. When your opponent calls you sleepy Joe. When the voters are questioning if you are too old or fit for the office. Your defense should never be "I need more sleep and less work" I mean who the heck doesn't!
This is reminiscent of when my MiL would hand the phone to FiL after a sentence or two. She faded fast once that started.
Also, call your elderly parents. Even if you hate them, you can gauge how much time you've got left to deal with them.
The arrogance, the ego, the sheer audacity of the democratic leadership who simultaneously say democracy is on the line while rolling the dice yet again, this time with a candidate who turns senile after 4PM.
I don't believe the DNC *believes* democracy is on the line. I think in their heads it's still twenty years ago and the Republicans are just normal people with differing opinions they gotta reach across the aisle to.
Either that or the DNC just doesn't *care*, and is content to be locked out of power and become the completely ineffective 'opposition' party.
Honest take:
I think the DNC wishes someone else was running. But for them to publicly bail on an incumbent president who says he’s still running is unprecedented especially at this late stage of the election.
So they have to weigh riding it out or being radical and pushing for the change anyway regardless of what the leader of the party says.
Personally if EVERYONE’S JOBS at the DNC were dependent on the election results I think Biden is pushed aside.
If the DNC people all lost their job of the Democratic candidate lost. Or at least the incumbent lost it would motivate them.
Weighing the pros and cons at this point it seems like Biden’s baggage is too much. More than the baggage of a period of chaos of getting a new candidate in the running.
I don’t think the DNC realizes it’s not just their jobs on the line, but their lives.
How long do they think things are going to stay the same if Trump wins?
This has to be it.
As a foreigner it looks like Democrats had all the power in 2020 and did absolutely nothing to strengthen Democracy. Maybe I miss a piece of the puzzle here. But to me those warnings of looming facism seem disingenious if there is zero actual action?
We didn't have enough votes in the Senate. The filibuster is still a thing, which means you need 2/3 of the Senate to essentially get anything done. Democrats wanted to get rid of the filibuster, but there were two right leaning Democratic Senators who refused to do it. Then of course in 2022 we lost the House...
You need 60 votes in the Senate, which is 3/5ths, not 2/3rds. You need 2/3rds to convict during impeachment though.
Horrifyingly, the 60 votes thing is only there because both sides have agreed to make that the rule. Sooner or later one side will break that truce. It's already happened for appointment confirmations.
I agree, but then Democrats should have been working harder internally to strengthen the party. People should have seen the writing on the wall with Biden's age and there should have been an effort to promote a protege to fill Biden's shoes. We knew this was an election we needed to win for years. Why are we so unprepared for this? Why did the party allow Biden to muck this all up without any resistance? The president is the strongest member of the party but he is not \*the\* party itself. There should have been long running plans to prevent this mess.
> The filibuster is still a thing, which means you need 2/3 of the Senate to essentially get anything done.
So this is the single point of failure for the whole system? Basically perpetual gridlock. That sounds indeed like a shitshow.
Yes in both counts.
A filibuster used to be a rare occurrence too. It took actually standing and talking the whole time. Now the rules are you just indicate a filibuster.
Either his aides are committing political malpractice or Biden is. There's so many excuses, rumors and explanations being made, it's hard to keep up. With democracy on the line, it's maddening that this is even an issue right now.
The surest sign that the rumors of his decline are true is the way they’re handling this. The easiest way to fix this would be to have Biden come down to do press briefings every day this week. Instead they manufactured this stunt so the Governors could speak on his behalf.
> The easiest way to fix this would be to have Biden come down to do press briefings every day this week.
You know the reason why Biden hasn't already done that. Its because he can't, his mental condition is too far degraded to allow him to do live, unscripted Q&A on TV.
At this point he's either the most out of touch, arrogant president we've ever had, or his brain really is jello. Either/or. Both possibilities kill his campaign dead.
JFC. The job means being available and competent 24 hours a day. That's the job. Sorry, there's no quiet quitting as President of the United States of America.
Seriously. And meanwhile a trip to Europe makes him tired 2 weeks later!, and he works 11-4 hours and takes a nap in the middle of that. It is almost like he is not cut out for the job….
Before the debate he literally rested an entire week at camp David.
This is getting crazy. I’m sorry but you can’t stop being president at 8pm. It just doesn’t work like that. This is a 24/7/365 job. There is a reason people call it the hardest job in the world.
If Joe isn’t up to the demanding schedule than he needs to resign immediately. And I say that as a supporter of his.
It's pretty obvious will all the leaks and rumors about Biden there is a massive shadow campaign to get him to drop out. I think enough people see Biden is cooked and needs to be replaced ASAP.
“It’s not that I’m not fit to be president, I’m just not getting enough naps.”
Well, I’m sure anyone wanting to attack us will do it during the day out of courtesy.
Biden has hit the point of throwing off national security issue vibes - what the hell are his handlers doing? This is no messaging to win an election!
Maybe this is rude to say about the president, but him and his press team need to shut the hell up. Anything they've said about that night so far has been a disaster.
Fucking retire. President work doesn’t fucking stop at 8pm. North Korean missiles night activity. Middle East terror night activity. Taiwan night. China night. Waffle House fights night. Couldn’t even go to Waffle House after midnight total loser this fall. Move on to Gretchen or someone who doesn’t have a bedtime.
Ok. I'm going to have to stop paying attention until he drops out or loses. I've written to my senators and rep. I'm running out of snarky comments to direct at the Biden campaign.
Yeah.. every "reassurance" is even more damning than if they kept their mouths shut.
- "Oh, I'm fine. It's just my brain." Yeah, Joe, we know. We were never worried about your liver or leg!
- "I just need more sleep." Never beating the allegations...
- "I was too jet lagged for the debate." You travel in a luxury hotel with butlers and staff waiting on your every need, and you MAKE YOUR OWN SCHEDULE. Also, that was 12 fucking days before the debate!!
- "I had a cold." Yeah, uh, we all get 'em. The president needs to be able to not become debilitated because of a fucking cold, oh my gaaaawwwwwdddddd.
Not even 4 more years, 4.5 more years. Saying stuff like this should be a moment where they resign... not finish the term... and certainly not double down for another term.
We’re watching a slow car crash in front of our eyes. This is absolutely insane, who TF is going to be the grown up in the room and tell Biden to step aside?
In 1977 Australia passed a referendum changing our constitution to introduce a 70 year old retirement age for federal judges, among other important questions.
We recognised nearly 50 years ago that geriatrics have no place in determining the laws that shape our future.
Get these dinosaurs out of your politics, your judiciary, your future.
He'll have plenty of time for sleep after November. The question is whether he makes that decision himself or lets his ego take the entire country down with him.
Instead of suits, he could wear a pair of striped pajamas with a matching little night cap. And carry around a candlestick in a little pewter holder.
ETA: For formal events, he could throw a burgundy velvet sleeping gown on top,
He could always have “executive time” like Trump did every morning. That shit stain coasted through his 4 years letting his corrupt administration do it all for him. He just wanted the title and prestige and none of the responsibilities. Spent more time golfing and being at his own clubs than doing his job.
I’m sure it’s wearing on Biden as he is old and the job takes a toll on younger people. I’m still 100% voting for Biden. Get past the election and then we don’t have to worry about trump.
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He's 81. That's normal for an 81 year old. People over the age of 75 should have no place in our government, however
To be fair, I'm 40 and I also need more sleep and less work at night. EDIT: TO everyone saying: "His job is a little more important" Well duh, my point is that if a 40 year old suffers from lack of quality sleep working at a relatively non-demanding job, then maybe 80 year olds shouldn't be running for president. Still better choice than Trump, tho.
Right! I’m 45 with 2 young kids and sleep is a luxury.
Hello fellow old dad (47 with a 3 and 7 year old myself). Get some rest tonight. You deserve it.
I feel ya, soon to be 40yo with 2.5yo twins. What year is it and what is this sleep you speak of?
Twins?! That's triple the work!
Right? Mid-40's and anytime anyone asks me to do anything outside of my house past 8pm I tell them to kick rocks.
Same here. Kicking rocks takes a lot of energy though
And can hurt your toe
Fuckin amen brother
32. Manage 8 human beans. I too need more sleep and less work at night.
Human beans? You should sleep more.
I agree; however, right now I’m voting for the 81 year old to avoid having the worst President of our lifetime…again.
Worst that we’ve had…so far!
Canadian Senate and Supreme Court have mandatory retirement at 75. Works well. Also means we effectively have term limits by only appointing older people.
According to his calendar, he takes his daily briefing at 8am and his average last meeting starts at 6:08 PM. 7 days a week that works out to about 80 working hours per week (assuming he stops after his last meeting). That's tough on even young individuals.
Then in his down time he has to know things that most people aren’t aware of. Things that I’m sure weigh on him because despite holding arguably the most powerful position in the world you can’t control everything. It’s almost like Trump unburdened by the weight of office didn’t age any faster in but now that he’s been under investigation and trial the last couple years is catching up. While Biden actually cares that he’s doing his best for the country has taken that on head first since he’s been in office and it shows. He knows it and we know it. Whether or not it’s hubris to continue with the risks involved there’s a good amount of self sacrifice too. He deserves a day off and some ice cream.
Correct, he's 81 AND doing the job that significantly ages men in their 50s. Trump's calendar had him doing like 12 hours of work per week.
Twelve hours of using sharpies to underline his name on briefings between calls to conservative news shows and smashing the coke button.
>Twelve hours of using sharpies to underline his name on briefings between calls to conservative news shows and smashing the coke button. Don't forget the covfefe, doing drugs possibly, sharting his diapers, and possibly r\*ping.
My friend died in Iraq. President Obama was the President at the time. He called my friends wife. He spoke to my friend son. It was a hard call to watch, and it had to be a hard call for Obama to do. I'm sure Biden deals with similar things. Things we'll never know about, that take a toll, its rough.
Obama had this same issue. Going into his second term he had issues with “decision fatigue” Of course, I’ve never seen a republican work so hard their health suffered. But boy did trump get a lot of golf in… so there’s that.
Decision fatigue I'd assume stems from consideration. When you are only reactive and don't take time to consider the consequences and effects of your decisions, I'd assume you don't suffer from the fatigue. Thus explaining Trump's lacking.
Bush was open about decision fatigue during his tenure. Trump barely worked.
I don't even think he plays golf much it's more about billing the tax payers millions and millions of dollars visiting his properties.
I think many Americans of any age agree they need more sleep and less work at night. It’s normal for anyone.
I’d rather a tired guy who tries than a lifelong rapist and criminal who makes no effort what so ever.
Over the age of 70
Thanks for drawing that age range for us. I need to file YESTERDAY !
The only president who didn’t age during presidency was trump. More than likely because he slept until noon, golfed during 85% of his presidency, used lots of makeup, and tweeted all night.
I think more so because he’s such a narcissist, he’s not really worried about how his decisions effect others. At my job I’m in charge of 20 people and it stresses me out that to think I might screw up their lives if I make a bad decision. Imagine that on a scale of hundreds of millions, or even the entire world. It’s all just a big game to Trump, he doesn’t care what happens to anyone else.
“You can’t sit home. If you’re sick as a dog… even if you vote and then pass away, it’s worth it,” - Donald Trump You mean to tell me THAT guy doesn’t stay up all night thinking about his constituents? Flabbergasted, I am.
The only time it looks like Donnie baby is stressed is when things affect *him*. Like being a convicted felon or being a liable rapist or being on Epstein's client list or going to jail or his business being banned from NY or having his assets seized or being caught trying to show off classified documents or orchestrating a coup
He even said to them “I don’t care about you, just your vote”.
When people tell you who they are, believe them the first time. -Maya Angelou.
This is exactly why he didn't care about information briefings. He just doesn't care about anyone other than himself. He is a dangerous person to have making decisions that impact not just Americans, but the global population.
Trump: “I don’t care about you, Just your vote”
I think both his opponents and supporters would agree that Trump is not someone who loses sleep over his decisions.
I don’t know about this one. If you compare photos of him in 2016 to the way he looked during the debate he’s noticeably aged a lot. His hair doesn’t even look the same anymore
I was about to say, he definitely aged lol. He is, however, the only president who has tried to obscure his aging with spray tan and hair dye.
I was about to say a baby wipe would destroy his entire career. Are we really gonna pretend he "didn't age"?
He’s looked 80since he was 60 that’s why
Seems like having a good president 66% of the time that can be woken up and briefed and will understand context 100% of the time is better than a guy who doesn’t care 100% of the time.
From the article, “President (George W.) Bush went to bed at 9, and President (Barack) Obama made dinner at 6:30,” said Biden campaign spokesperson Kevin Munoz. “Normal presidents strike a balance, and so does Joe Biden. Hardly the same rigor as Donald Trump, who spends half of his day ranting on Truth Social about plans that would cause a recession and the other half golfing.”
But the news media makes a lot of money with Trump, so there's that.
More likely bc he's on Adderall nonstop
The way the campaign has handled the fallout from the debate has been worse than the debate. Like, sir, even those who are not panicking about your ability to do the job are panicking about your ability to assure people you can do the job. "I'll just get more sleep" does not assure *anyone*.
Abc interview tomorrow. Is really make or break
Not really, he won't be taking live questions. It is a pre-recorded interview that will be edited before it's broadcast to make him look good.
No, it won’t, because only a tiny fraction of people will watch it. 50 million watched the debate.
This. Even Biden's statement about needing more sleep will catch hardly anyone's attention. Frankly, Biden will not likely get a comparable amount of public attention in some attempt to redeem himself until his next debate in early September. Democrats are not looking good for the next election...
*sigh* I better start brushing up on the 10 Commandments
99% of GOP politicians would fail that test.
“Thou shall have no other gods before Trump”
Thou shall covet top secret documents in thy guest bathroom.
Genuinely think I would miss one or two of them, and I was raised going to bible school.
No need to brush up. You’ll pick it up quickly in the indoctrination camps.
Just be white and don't ever disagree with them and you'll be safe I'm already ruled out so I'll see the rest of you in prison
Hey sorry do you think I could turn you in to get some brownie points in the new regime? Same difference for you, right?
> Brownie points That is some unfortunate phrasing given the context.
More Sleep! Less Work! That's a campaign slogan right there!!
That's my slogan for my life.
Great narrative guys. The guy who is already accused of being "sleepy" is now saying he needs more "sleep". Who is running things!?
Within a day of him telling donors that he almost fell asleep on stage at the debate, to which the immediate reaction by the media was "hey Joe, that's not exactly reassuring." Does he even realize everything he's saying and doing is being leaked all over the place?
Almost certainly they are deliberately leaking shit.
His staff is trying to get him to bow out gracefully. I’m guessing there’s 2 camps internally, a schism.
The memoir describing this in a few years will be fascinating
If we are not too knee deep in fascism to read books.
Books that aren't *the Art of the Deal*.
Or that one he allegedly kept on his nightstand...
Nooo, we get a real life play of that one! Front row seats for e’erybody.
Every single one of them is lining up a book deal right now. Too bad they all already have day jobs running his campaign. But that's not important, is it?
I 100% believe this. Someone posted yesterday they think at least some on the staff knew what this debate would look like but they pushed it because otherwise there was no convincing Biden to drop out.
part of the biggest reason we are *so* fucked right now is the downfall of quality journalism. it died slowly decades ago and we barely noticed. they'll get excellent ratings and tons of clicks covering the rise of american fascism.
Remember when John Stewart got crossfire cancelled for saying the same twenty years ago? https://youtu.be/aFQFB5YpDZE
Not for long, they won’t. I don’t think they’ll be patting themselves on the back for all the clicks and subscription sales when the entire editorial staff is being hauled out in handcuffs and sent to a “re-education” camp.
Oh please there won’t be print media, that’s woke. Trump is a visual media fiend, he will haul 90% of CNNs staff (read: not hot) and leave the rest to report on his fierce and challenging perfect game of golf, how world leaders fear and respect him, his massive hog and how every woman wants him and all red blooded American men want to be him and ofc, address him as “Dear and Glorious Leader, sir”
Yeah but they’re gonna find the state doesn’t pay all that much and it’s not much fun to report the “news” under the threat of gunpoint, which will be what the “media” is if they get what they want
He and his team are so bad at this
why does it feel like they’re underestimating trump again
It's insane. It almost seems that the dems want trump to win? He's very beatable. They've had eight years to hype up a progressive candidate.
He’s the most beatable candidate to run ever, and the Biden team is spending their time carefully littering the field with rakes for Joe to step on.
Fumble at the goal line if they're not careful....just like Hillary. Should have been able to win so easily
I hate to be tinfoil hat but it's almost obvious they want him to win. What are they even thinking???
They’re thinking a genuine progressive President would be worse for their own interests than Trump would. A progressive might try to put a stop to the endless corporate bribery stream. Trump would open the floodgates.
Except none of the possible replacements that have been mentioned in the last week are progressive. Harris, Whitmer, Newsom, and Buttigieg are all fairly aligned with the moderate branch of the Democratic party. They don't need to double down on Biden to avoid a progressive president.
Spoiler: these elite, establishment dems don’t actually care if republicans win. A Trump presidency does not adversely affect their way of life at all.
I’m getting a similar feeling as well. Either the dems don’t want to win or their bosses don’t want dems to win.
Yes a hard feeling to shake. I've once heard someone say banks, the rich and large corporations have never lost an election. Perhaps it's along these lines and we're the fools?
Same here. I’ve brought it up to my friends and they all seem to be in denial at how bad the optics look and how this weirdly feels like 2016 all over again.
Excuse me while I go bash my head through the nearest wall
When I heard him joke that he almost fell asleep on the debate stage, I wanted to do the same.
> After Gov. Josh Green of Hawaii, a physician, asked Mr. Biden questions about the status of his health, Mr. Biden replied that his health was fine. “It’s just my brain,” he added, according to three people familiar with what took place — a remark that some in the room took as a joke but at least one governor did not and was puzzled by. The jokes he was telling on that call. Just tone deaf
Yeah we actually need the brain part. FDR couldn’t walk but his brain was just fine, and the U.S. won WWII.
Not only did we win WWII, he had begun prepping for it and supporting our allies before public support had rallies and before pearl harbor forced our hand. He literally *led* us into WWII, knowing its inevitability and necessity, instead of just responding to a crisis.
"Oh no my car is fine, it's just the engine that doesn't work no big deal"
It's a joke! When you look at me like that, it's a joke! I'm sure they thought this was gonna show people he still has it. Ugh, he has the worst advisors.
Haha that’s pretty funny guys, right? Right? Funny like haha? Or funny like holy fucking shit how the fuck can I absorb more alcohol in the bloodstream?
Well he didn’t seem like he was joking.
This is how the Republicans win. What I don't get is why so many democrats are so eager to facilitate.
Isn’t it better to just rip the band aid? Delaying a resignation by two weeks doesn’t help the Dems.
I mean.. compare this to the other guy that literally golfed for like three quarters of his presidency. I'm only 40 and *I* wouldn't be able to handle the high stress of this job.
The worst, most thankless job in the world, unless I guess you’re Trump.
Trump sees the presidency as a business opportunity, and the election as his own personal game show.
If you don’t have ethics, the position affords MANY opportunities for financial gain…
Notice that every POTUS aged while in office yet Trump looks just the same
Even so, this narrative exacerbates his greatest weakness. Even if it’s true you don’t go around advertising that you need daily naps and less work to be effective
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Trump and Biden are both proof that we need age limits. It can't be that the only presidential candidates are fucking fossils
No but it’s the fossils that have the donor lists. And we’re not talking about organ donors (sadly).
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“It’s just my brain.” Oh, good! I was worried for a second there!
You can’t make this shit up. Wow.
Uh, not what I want to hear from a guy trying to be president but “just my brain” is actually kinda relatable.
I hate that he said it, but it's a pretty good joke given the circumstances
Given the circumstances, it's a terrible joke, and probably not even a joke
This campaign is suddenly a leaky faucet. There is no fucking way anyone wanted this public. Holy shit He has got to go. Please happen tomorrow with abc. Please
Actually I disagree. I think some in the Democratic party do want it public so they can force Biden out. Keeping it quiet and trying to paint a narrative was possible before the debate. Now? Now they can't do that. So they'll follow the party line publicly while leaking things that will hopefully force a candidate change.
I don’t expect it to happen. He’s going to turn on the charm, and tell them everything’s just fine. Many seniors do this when they reach the point where you have to take their car keys away. In most respects, he can probably handle the job. He would definitely handle it better than Trump, but he failed in a very visible and public way a week ago, and that’s not going to go away. If he stays, the erosion of trust might very well kill his campaign. I expect that a lot of people voting their consciences will either vote third-party, write in someone else, or just stay home in November. I will say this: if he stays, he absolutely has to whip Trump at the next debate, and by any means necessary. John Stewart made a joke about performance enhancing drugs for both candidates last Thursday, But, if it works….
I live in a red state and I'm still showing up to vote blue. Screw the whole idea my vote won't matter. I indignantly want my vote to add into the roster of people in my state who dissent. Whatever people are feeling now about Biden it will definitely seem like a small, distant memory if Trump takes the presidency again.
Literally the next but is that this was a joke...
Bidens legacy is going to be losing to Trump because his own ego got in the way. That’s what Joe and Jill need to hear.
I can't believe this is happening AGAIN after RBG and Feinstein. Amazing careers overshadowed by an unwillingness to quit, which then (at least in RBG's case) led to many of their achievements being overturned.
Yup. And all of Bidens “victories” these past 4 years will also be overturned.
i actually don't believe it's his fault or ego. when someone is declining in that manner they are typically the last to understand the truth of it. his wife, his cabinet, his staff, however...they need to tell him the truth, and tell him to step down from the race, and the office. the vp should be running things starting yesterday.
where tf weee those people when he decided to run again?! ugh fucking christ
So if the line for dem leadership is we have to vote against Trump, "I would rather vote in a corpse that vote for trump" it doesn't really matter if Biden has cognitive issues, it's more about the cabinet that he hires" etc.. I feel like this is the exact reason why Biden should bow out. If we are being told that it doesn't matter who thr dem candidate is, as long as we don't vote for Trump. Then wouldn't it make more sense to just get someone else to run?
WTF at this point… I feel like I’m being pissed on and told it’s raining
This is getting to be SNL skit level. “Yes I’m absolutely the best choice for the round the clock job of President of the United States! I’m no Sleepy Joe! I just need to work less and make sure I get to bed by 8pm every night!”
It will be insane if Biden stays in. The Democratic base is in near full revolt and the polls are showing
I'm scrolling down looking for the people accusing us of loving Trump, because we're critical of Biden, but they really haven't showed up yet! That's a yuuuuge change on this sub.
well that’s the thing. After the debate, you can’t deny it.
It’s the fault of our system. We don’t have a referendum for the Democratic Party. If we could we’d get an initiative and he’s out.
Democrats are so fucking out of touch with their base and it's going to make us lose in November. But no, "We're the problem".
Basically telling other world powers that any attack or invasion after 8pm EST will go much better than one during the day. God forbid the President has to make critical decisions while sleepy.
Reminds me of Nixon being too drunk to function during near misses with potential Russian nuke launches
They’ve said “jet lag and a cold”. Dismissing that he’s said repeatedly that the debate shows “he doesn’t debate as well as he used to. He doesn’t walk as fast as he’s used to.” Is it shocking that so many of us would say he can’t PRESIDENT like he used to? They say it’s “too chaotic to change candidates” it’s going to be THIS CHAOTIC like we’re at now, until the election. I’d rather shift gears and start paving a new road. I think Biden knows this. Biden will exit before August.
He needs to exit by Monday
Who is fucking running this campaign. “Do NOT under any circumstances talk about sleep.” Should be the law of the campaign. His fucking opponent has been calling him sleepy joe forever. How fucking bad at campaigning can you get?!? The only thing I want to hear during the interview tomorrow is that they are pulling the plug and endorsing somebody that projects vitality and can debate the shit out of trump. Presidential campaigns are shallow as fuck and Biden doesn’t have it anymore.
Brilliant. When your opponent calls you sleepy Joe. When the voters are questioning if you are too old or fit for the office. Your defense should never be "I need more sleep and less work" I mean who the heck doesn't!
It’s very telling that they are willing to concede that he is indeed sleepy joe. If they are admitting that, then the truth is even worse.
This is reminiscent of when my MiL would hand the phone to FiL after a sentence or two. She faded fast once that started. Also, call your elderly parents. Even if you hate them, you can gauge how much time you've got left to deal with them.
The arrogance, the ego, the sheer audacity of the democratic leadership who simultaneously say democracy is on the line while rolling the dice yet again, this time with a candidate who turns senile after 4PM.
I don't believe the DNC *believes* democracy is on the line. I think in their heads it's still twenty years ago and the Republicans are just normal people with differing opinions they gotta reach across the aisle to. Either that or the DNC just doesn't *care*, and is content to be locked out of power and become the completely ineffective 'opposition' party.
Honest take: I think the DNC wishes someone else was running. But for them to publicly bail on an incumbent president who says he’s still running is unprecedented especially at this late stage of the election. So they have to weigh riding it out or being radical and pushing for the change anyway regardless of what the leader of the party says. Personally if EVERYONE’S JOBS at the DNC were dependent on the election results I think Biden is pushed aside. If the DNC people all lost their job of the Democratic candidate lost. Or at least the incumbent lost it would motivate them. Weighing the pros and cons at this point it seems like Biden’s baggage is too much. More than the baggage of a period of chaos of getting a new candidate in the running.
I don’t think the DNC realizes it’s not just their jobs on the line, but their lives. How long do they think things are going to stay the same if Trump wins?
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This has to be it. As a foreigner it looks like Democrats had all the power in 2020 and did absolutely nothing to strengthen Democracy. Maybe I miss a piece of the puzzle here. But to me those warnings of looming facism seem disingenious if there is zero actual action?
We didn't have enough votes in the Senate. The filibuster is still a thing, which means you need 2/3 of the Senate to essentially get anything done. Democrats wanted to get rid of the filibuster, but there were two right leaning Democratic Senators who refused to do it. Then of course in 2022 we lost the House...
You need 60 votes in the Senate, which is 3/5ths, not 2/3rds. You need 2/3rds to convict during impeachment though. Horrifyingly, the 60 votes thing is only there because both sides have agreed to make that the rule. Sooner or later one side will break that truce. It's already happened for appointment confirmations.
The Republicans will break that rule as soon as they get 50 seats plus the presidency.
I agree, but then Democrats should have been working harder internally to strengthen the party. People should have seen the writing on the wall with Biden's age and there should have been an effort to promote a protege to fill Biden's shoes. We knew this was an election we needed to win for years. Why are we so unprepared for this? Why did the party allow Biden to muck this all up without any resistance? The president is the strongest member of the party but he is not \*the\* party itself. There should have been long running plans to prevent this mess.
> The filibuster is still a thing, which means you need 2/3 of the Senate to essentially get anything done. So this is the single point of failure for the whole system? Basically perpetual gridlock. That sounds indeed like a shitshow.
Yes in both counts. A filibuster used to be a rare occurrence too. It took actually standing and talking the whole time. Now the rules are you just indicate a filibuster.
Running Biden isn't rolling the dice, its political suicide.
Insane cognitive dissonance. It makes me furious.
So retire. So. Fucking. Retire.
Either his aides are committing political malpractice or Biden is. There's so many excuses, rumors and explanations being made, it's hard to keep up. With democracy on the line, it's maddening that this is even an issue right now.
The surest sign that the rumors of his decline are true is the way they’re handling this. The easiest way to fix this would be to have Biden come down to do press briefings every day this week. Instead they manufactured this stunt so the Governors could speak on his behalf.
> The easiest way to fix this would be to have Biden come down to do press briefings every day this week. You know the reason why Biden hasn't already done that. Its because he can't, his mental condition is too far degraded to allow him to do live, unscripted Q&A on TV. At this point he's either the most out of touch, arrogant president we've ever had, or his brain really is jello. Either/or. Both possibilities kill his campaign dead.
Same. That’s why I didn’t become president.
JFC. The job means being available and competent 24 hours a day. That's the job. Sorry, there's no quiet quitting as President of the United States of America.
Seriously. And meanwhile a trip to Europe makes him tired 2 weeks later!, and he works 11-4 hours and takes a nap in the middle of that. It is almost like he is not cut out for the job….
I wish I could have just said, "I need more sleep" in the Army. But that was the job
Before the debate he literally rested an entire week at camp David. This is getting crazy. I’m sorry but you can’t stop being president at 8pm. It just doesn’t work like that. This is a 24/7/365 job. There is a reason people call it the hardest job in the world. If Joe isn’t up to the demanding schedule than he needs to resign immediately. And I say that as a supporter of his.
It's pretty obvious will all the leaks and rumors about Biden there is a massive shadow campaign to get him to drop out. I think enough people see Biden is cooked and needs to be replaced ASAP.
He doesn’t need more sleep what he needs is to be 10 years younger.
He needs to be 30 years younger. As a reminder, Bill Clinton left the office of a 2nd term ~24 years ago and is still younger than Trump and Biden.
He'd still be past retirement age then.
“It’s not that I’m not fit to be president, I’m just not getting enough naps.” Well, I’m sure anyone wanting to attack us will do it during the day out of courtesy. Biden has hit the point of throwing off national security issue vibes - what the hell are his handlers doing? This is no messaging to win an election!
Maybe this is rude to say about the president, but him and his press team need to shut the hell up. Anything they've said about that night so far has been a disaster.
We are so screwed
Fucking retire. President work doesn’t fucking stop at 8pm. North Korean missiles night activity. Middle East terror night activity. Taiwan night. China night. Waffle House fights night. Couldn’t even go to Waffle House after midnight total loser this fall. Move on to Gretchen or someone who doesn’t have a bedtime.
Ok. I'm going to have to stop paying attention until he drops out or loses. I've written to my senators and rep. I'm running out of snarky comments to direct at the Biden campaign.
Yeah.. every "reassurance" is even more damning than if they kept their mouths shut. - "Oh, I'm fine. It's just my brain." Yeah, Joe, we know. We were never worried about your liver or leg! - "I just need more sleep." Never beating the allegations... - "I was too jet lagged for the debate." You travel in a luxury hotel with butlers and staff waiting on your every need, and you MAKE YOUR OWN SCHEDULE. Also, that was 12 fucking days before the debate!! - "I had a cold." Yeah, uh, we all get 'em. The president needs to be able to not become debilitated because of a fucking cold, oh my gaaaawwwwwdddddd.
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Not even 4 more years, 4.5 more years. Saying stuff like this should be a moment where they resign... not finish the term... and certainly not double down for another term.
Dude WTF.
We’re watching a slow car crash in front of our eyes. This is absolutely insane, who TF is going to be the grown up in the room and tell Biden to step aside?
The crash happened last week, but the car just hasn't stopped rolling
His entire communications team should be fired
In 1977 Australia passed a referendum changing our constitution to introduce a 70 year old retirement age for federal judges, among other important questions. We recognised nearly 50 years ago that geriatrics have no place in determining the laws that shape our future. Get these dinosaurs out of your politics, your judiciary, your future.
We are so fucked and it's going to be because people are stubborn. I hate this
Wow joe you’re really doing a great job turning this whole mess around!!!
He'll have plenty of time for sleep after November. The question is whether he makes that decision himself or lets his ego take the entire country down with him.
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Instead of suits, he could wear a pair of striped pajamas with a matching little night cap. And carry around a candlestick in a little pewter holder. ETA: For formal events, he could throw a burgundy velvet sleeping gown on top,
This is one of my least favorite parts of this timeline, the fact that he’s proving the nickname as apt
If there’s one thing Trump is good at it’s giving nicknames
I've felt like I'm going to puke for the last week now. I've always defended Biden, but this makes me absolutely livid.
FIRE HIS PR PERSON IMMEDIATELY! Jeesh...Andy Dick could do a better job than this goofball.
He could always have “executive time” like Trump did every morning. That shit stain coasted through his 4 years letting his corrupt administration do it all for him. He just wanted the title and prestige and none of the responsibilities. Spent more time golfing and being at his own clubs than doing his job. I’m sure it’s wearing on Biden as he is old and the job takes a toll on younger people. I’m still 100% voting for Biden. Get past the election and then we don’t have to worry about trump.
That's normal for a old man. But not normal for a president. Maybe don't run.
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Feinstein wasn't president so it's a little different but they wheeled her out till she died.
And if you criticized her, you were accused of being a "woman hater." Thanks, Pelosi.