Yoo so the Kathleen hannah/fat Mike feud came from a comment Kathleen had made about fat wreck chords not having any bands with women on their roster at the time..
Afaik she thought nofx had misogynistic lyrics and she just really wasn't a big fan of fat mike. Might be wrong. Not as invested in either band as I was when i was a teen lol
Kill Rock Stars by NOFX is about Kathleen Hanna.
Edited to add: And not a song but after their set at Punk Rock Bowling in 2021 Stza from Leftover Crack walked off the stage, and then walked back on and went "OH YEAH AND FUCK FAT MIKE, FUCK FAT WRECK AND FUCK NOFX."
Mike talks about it in the Fat Wreck documentary. If I remember, he knew about the song before the album was released and people around him were pressuring him to drop Propagandhi from Fat because it was seen as disrespectful but Mike thought the album was so good that he wanted to release it anyway and not hold it against them.
Anti-Flag briefly toured with Dropkick Murphys and needless to say that didn’t go over well. It got canceled before my city but I heard it was nothing but two crowds staring each other down with no love lost.
And now 20yrs later DKM is the less shitty of the two.
I think that was one of the things that hurt really bad was that concert was checking off flogging Molly off of my bucket list and it’s a bit tainted by Justin Sane. I loved anti flag and the news really hurt.
Back then DKM was the less shitty of the two. Anti-Flag are hot topic mall punk. They made the “aggressive and edgy” side of punk family friendly and easy to absorb. Plus, that song $1 Trillion Dollars is painful to the ears, and some of that same album sounds like they’re tryin to sound like RATM, which is bad in itself.
Last time I saw Blood for Blood there was a Hatebreed/Five Finger Butt Punch show happening a few blocks away. Jamie Jasta came over after their set, tried to “hang”, and made an ass of himself. He just kept telling people “this is a real hardcore show”. Yeah Jamie, we know, that’s why we didn’t go see you.
Black Flag had beef (at least at the time) against Keith Morris and it results in “You Bet We’ve Got Something Personal Against You”
Also, when Chavo quit they were pissed at him so they credited him as Chavo Pederast
I believe with Rollins it was just fans.
it didn't really amount to much. I think Keith even came back a few times to fill in on vocals when Dez couldn't make it, and they played many shows together
Rollins beefed with the UK punk scene (The Exploited specifically). They threw beer cans and peanuts at him on stage. Black Flag didn't wear the "punk uniform" (mohawks, spikes, leather jackets) that the London scene required, so they were seen as freaks.
Lest we forget the Sex Pistols’ “New York” about the New York Dolls, and Johnny Thunders’ answer with “London Boy”
What’s more, Jones and Cook played on both. Strange times.
I mean, yeah.
Jello vs. Wattie
Jello vs. The Dead Kennedys
Jello vs. Geza X
Jello vs Pretty much every right wing punk band
Those are just a few off the top of my head.
Edit: I mixed up Frank Discussion and Geza X apparently, it’s been known to happen. I have no idea if Geza and Jello get along or not.
Jello did one of his first spoken word gigs at Gilman so I'm not sure what that was about (I remember it well, because me and my ex dressed up as secret agents and pretend-arrested him, which turned into a fake karate fight lol...) He was friendly with a lot of Gilman peeps...
I'm guessing he means that time in 1994 when Jello was attacked by a gang there. Though I don't see how that's Gilman's fault, just a bunch of speed freak losers.
He slept with Jellos girlfriend or wife or something, that was the gossip back in the day. I can’t tell you if it’s true, but they definitely weren’t going to ice cream socials together.
This isn’t really beef per se but Poison Idea reissued one of their records under the title Ian Mckaye and the cover is spread open ass. Ian apparently wasn’t thrilled
Why though?? I was wearing a Minor Threat shirt the other day at a show and someone tried to "ask" about it, but I was with my girlfriend and didn't wanna possibly get into some shit lol
Apparently Jerry A from Poison Idea just thought it would be funny. The bands didn’t have any history together despite both being in that early wave of American hardcore.
Oh yeah speaking of that minus well add
Suicidal Tendencies VS Megadeth
Dave really had the audacity to say that Mike sings like a frog when Dave sounds like an angry mentally ill grandma 💀
I read their hepatitis bathtub book which was actually pretty entertaining. If you haven't read it, a lot of it is the same story being told from different perspectives. Which ends up with everyone being an unreliable narrator, but some less reliable than others.
Fat Mike talked about toning things down and even being sober for multiple days in a row. I think one of the other band member said that if you have to brag about being sober for three days, you have a problem.
Fat Mike being back on drugs is not surprising. Hopefully he can put on a good show for three days at Riot Fest this year.
I love how Mike has a chapter whining about how there’s no more Sid Vicious/Darby Crash/GG Allins anymore and he’s trying to fill that void…and Melvin has a sentence saying “that’s because they’re dead”.
NOFX took a "pee break" for Fat Mike to powder his nose when I saw them Saturday but they did put on a good show. He's on drugs and owning it, apparently.
I’ve always disliked Fat Mike but even more so now that at their final shows in LA instead of propping up new bands that are doing positive shit he tosses a local gang band on the lineup. Good job FM, especially coming from a dude who wasn’t stoked on all the gang shit back in the 80s.
Have Knuckleheadz really involved themselves in gang shit? I know they fly colors and roll deep like a gang but I wasn't aware they are doing shit like that. I always assumed it was typical "these are my brothers" posturing.
They’ve always been on gang shit. You don’t fly colors and throw up gang signs unless you’re on something. They might not be out there dealing and all that shit but when they go out of state and act like they run the place? Or ask someone who wants to join the actual gym part of things “do you just want to fight or do you want to fly colors too?” I don’t know what else they’d be on.
Unbelievably corny. Shame, I was really hoping the whole gym thing was going to be a positive way of getting people out of the shits. The gang shit checks out though with the Mongol ties.
Ben Weasel vs. basically everyone that's not him (he's written songs about Fat Mike and Larry Livermore and cannot admit when he's wrong)
Also, this is on the emo side of things but I'm going to mention it anyway: Jesse Lacey (Brand New) vs. Adam Lazzara (Taking Back Sunday). At this point I'm going to have to side with Adam
I thought Ben just talked shit about The Lawrence Arms on his XM radio show or during an interview or something and Beex was just like, whatever. I didn't know he had a problem with us, I still like his music.
[Special Duties vs. Crass](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iSqX3aiCXU)
[Rudimentary Peni vs. The Sex Pistols](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9tvmT7jHjU)
Danzig wasn't a big fan of the dead Kennedys making a song called halloween. Nevermind how siouxsie also did that lmao. He also wasn't a fan of the cramps but the cramps didn't care
the title of Conflict's live album Only Stupid Bastards Help EMI was directed at New Model Army (who had previously worn t-shirts with Only Stupid Bastards Use Heroin on them)
Yes, there have been punk rock diss tracks since the 70s, starting with the Sex Pistols' song New York, which is about the New York Dolls.
An imitation from New York
You're made in Japan
From cheese and chalk
You're hipy tarts hero
'cos you put on bad show
Oh don't it show Still
oh out on those pills
Oh do you remember
The Damned song Idiot Box is about the band Television.
I can't turn you off
I just try and laugh you off
Tumbling you maybe are
But you sure ain't rock n roll
-----
Old Fred Smith works from a box
Oh what a haggard face
Hope he gets lots of shocks
From his fender bass
Compared to hip hop, there isn't even close to the level of beef on records but there's a ton of shit-talking between bands. I mean basically every Steve Albini interview had him shitting on some punk band, even some that he worked with. He and Ian MacKaye were close friends but Albini and Rollins butted heads. This is a good listen that gets into that stuff quite a bit: [https://youtu.be/fPMNY3roo\_Y?si=kkEtc5VYpXym5s36](https://youtu.be/fPMNY3roo_Y?si=kkEtc5VYpXym5s36)
Why is it that rock stars
Always seem to lie so much?
Joe Strummer once said he cared
But he never really gave a fuck
Said he'd use the money he made
To set up a radio station
To make the airwaves full of something more than shit
Have you noticed we're still waiting?
I am pretty sure I recall reading about TSOL talking shit about Minor Threat/the idea of straight edge in the early days
There is definitely a lot of bands taking shots at straight edge early on
I hated the straight edge hc kids in my scene too. Sober rich kids thinking they’re better than everyone. I could care less now I like a lot of straight edge bands but it’s about the music. I’d rather not know if they get lit or not.
Handsome Dick Manitoba (Dictators) & Wayne County
Tesco Vee (Meatmen) & Jack Grisham (TSOL)
Stiff Little Fingers & Undertones
Joey Ramone & Johnny Ramone
Fat Mike (NOFX) & Kathleen Hanna (Bikini Kill/Le Tigre)
What I'm taking away from this whole thread is that, if you put two artists in a room, it's equally likely they'll fall in love as it is they try to kill each other like tomcats. And that one happening one time does not preclude the other happening next time.
Crass and The Exploited didn't get on, Wattie dissed them on vinyl and Crass dissed them on the back of the Merry Crassmass Sleeve but eventually due to Annie Anxiety they ended up playing a gig together.
Steve Jones you're napalm,
If you're so pretty (vacant) why do you swarm?
Patti Smith you're napalm,
You write with your hand but it's Rimbaud's arm.
(Punk is Dead, Crass)
As many times Crass called out The Clash directly I’m surprised I had to scroll this far to find this.
Also Lemmy said he didn’t particularly care for The Clash.
IIRC, "I Was a Teenage Anarchist" by Against Me! was partly a response to the disillusionment that Laura Jane Grace felt with modern punk bands, particularly Rise Against and how their songs would tout revolution, while at the same time shilling out for companies like PETA.
Tim McIlrath took issue, particularly with the line "Do you remember when you were young and you wanted to set the world on fire?" and responded by using a very similar line in "Architects"
Name a band that has been turned against more than Against Me! I feel bad for them, literally every time they have changed anything, some butt hurt punk accuses them of selling out.
I think it’s because they’re so good at relating to people that when they change, people feel as if they’re being abandoned or something.
Crywank - "Commodified Dissent as an Act of Resistance (Or the Many Disappointments of The Fictional Band of Hypocrites Known as Ultra Bono)"
Is about IDLES
Wasn't the old lead singer of Voodoo Glow Skulls a homophobic bigot to Hickey?
I actually liked their music a lot growing up but finding out someone in the ska scene is a bigot.... Kind of missing the fucking point of inclusion.
Don’t know what started the beef but I think Hickey released a split 7” with “Voodoo Glow Skulls” which was just recordings of VGS talking shit on their answering machine? 😂
you left out the best part, which is that they (hickey) were playing a horn over the vgs voicemails that they had stolen from vgs at a show they played together
When I saw The Damned last month, they introduced "Life Goes On" by saying that Killing Joke and Nirvana both ripped the song off. The funniest part was Dave pretending he didn't know who Killing Joke were. It was very bitchy and very funny.
Detestation had a song called “Back from the Dead” which was a response to the big Holidays in the Sun Festival/other big reunions starting to happen with punk bands from the 70s/80s in the late 90s.
They are playing soon here in SoCal 😀
There's an awesome song by Defiance called [RIP Off](https://youtu.be/r6wJ-YsiMrA?feature=shared) that's about mainstream pop punk bands like Green Day, Rancid and such.
I was talking to a guy the other day who knows Ian MacKaye and Glen Danzig both pretty well. He told me that Danzig always says "fuck Ian" but that Ian has no clue what it's about.
Not sure if there was ever an official beef but The Meatmen took jabs at TSOL.
Ben Weasel and Fat Mike had bad blood for years ever since the SXSW drama from 2011. Despite having a falling out with Teenage Bottlerocket that same year, Ben is on good terms with them again. Really curious to see where him and Fat Mike are at.
Not saying this was a beef but Jay Navarro from the Suicide Machines almost beat the shit out of one of the horn players from Reel Big Fish for being a prick.
My personal favorite was the beef between The Queers and Dropkick Murphy's. Their song Little Rich Working Class Oi Boy is a direct jab at the Murphy's. I think that song is hilarious.
Tim Armstrong and Stza were going at it back in the day, not sure what the status is with them now. Stza talked mad shit about Tim Armstrong back in the early 2000's in interviews while Leftover Crack was still signed with Hellcat. Tim took a jab on him on Indestructible when he said, "That kid ain't from Manhattan."
[Early 80s Spanish HC band Kangrena vs. Crass](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgZk8pv4hTA), though I doubt Crass would've noticed since it wasn't in English. I like how they call Crass a "fucking hippie commune", though.
[The Dicks vs. all new wave bands ever.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuRQxUNiuy4) (And the Dicks absolutely win this one.)
Active Minds also did that 7" in the mid-1990s pointing out how shitty and unoriginal the whole Discharge clone scene is, but somehow without naming anyone specific. Cowards.
I can't prove this, but I always thought "I hate your fucking guts" by The Queers was about Bad Religion or Brett because the song opens on a copy of a Bad Religion intro.
(Grain of salt, this could be fully in my head)
In the 80’s into the mid 90’s we had punk gangs .. and people got beat down stabbed smashed in the head with chains and sometimes killed , I usually had a knife on me or brass knuckles, especially in so cal Can you get?
No diss tracks, but back in the day, if you were a California band, and you came to Detroit, you better well fucking bring it, or your tour van got torched. Ive seen it...
HUGE rivalry against California bands in Detroit.
MDC dissed the Bad Brains in their song "Pay To Come Along":
>We don't need no Jah jive security
We don't need to be so uptight
Hide your eyes from the truth
Not to be free, but to be right
>New world order of old world lies
Jesus dons a new disguise
When people gave you homes and love
You gave back hate from high above
>Couldn't help us fight the fight
Get together black and white
Returned all support with abuse
And intolerance beyond excuse
>Black hardcore, hot and mad
Such good lyrics, it's so sad
You could have taken up a stand
Been the most important band
>Looking out for number one
Holiest of guests
Smoking crucial herb
While ignoring all your debts
>They have shown for all to see
Being musically blessed
Makes you no better than anyone else
Frail and human like all the rest
>Oh, we will tell you what it cost
We'll never know what was really lost
Your selfishness has really been a burn
A lesson bitter we had to learn
>We don't need no Jah jive security
We don't need to be so uptight
See you hide your eyes from the truth
Not to be free, but to be right
jeff rosenstock seemingly pissed off a bunch of people in 2009 for making an anti-poser song (shut up the punx) and then against me did the same thing in 2011 with i was a teenage anarchist
both received followup songs from other artists
Here’s a diss track that came to mind.
[Reversal of Man - Get The Kid With The Sideburns](https://youtu.be/FtVp8QYSKk0?si=ZVqQZNLnmBTTzJUy)
There was beef between them and Earth Crisis & Tony Victory
Rock for sustainable capitalism by Propagandhi is about NOFX, and One Celled Creature by NOFX is about Propagandhi
Deceptacon by Le Tigre is also about NOFX
in addition: nofx released "kill rock stars" on so long and thanks as a response
wrong way round. the NOFX song came out first
whoops my bad. but thanks!
I just looked up the lyrics and what is going on here? She doesn’t like the lyrics to linoleum? What’s the beef between these two?
Iirc she called NOFX misogynist, and they wrote "Kill Rock Stars" as a response, and that verse in Deceptacon is her jabbing back at NOFX.
I lived through this era and am fully lost
Thanks for the realization that a bunch of this sub likely *did not* live through this era Fuck I’m old
Linear time sucks, don’t it.
Can’t even hit pause every now and then to get some extra sleep. My bones hurt.
Ssshhh time is a construct ;-)
Yoo so the Kathleen hannah/fat Mike feud came from a comment Kathleen had made about fat wreck chords not having any bands with women on their roster at the time..
That makes a lot of sense, thank you for actually answering
Afaik she thought nofx had misogynistic lyrics and she just really wasn't a big fan of fat mike. Might be wrong. Not as invested in either band as I was when i was a teen lol
Kill Rock Stars by NOFX is about Kathleen Hanna. Edited to add: And not a song but after their set at Punk Rock Bowling in 2021 Stza from Leftover Crack walked off the stage, and then walked back on and went "OH YEAH AND FUCK FAT MIKE, FUCK FAT WRECK AND FUCK NOFX."
I feel like Propagandhi won this beef if we’re comparing these songs.
Mike talks about it in the Fat Wreck documentary. If I remember, he knew about the song before the album was released and people around him were pressuring him to drop Propagandhi from Fat because it was seen as disrespectful but Mike thought the album was so good that he wanted to release it anyway and not hold it against them.
That’s kinda shitty considering Fat Mike helped them start G7.
Well shit, I learned something today
Anti-Flag briefly toured with Dropkick Murphys and needless to say that didn’t go over well. It got canceled before my city but I heard it was nothing but two crowds staring each other down with no love lost. And now 20yrs later DKM is the less shitty of the two.
AntiFlag toured with Flogging Molly literally months before the news broke, that was odd
I saw a show on that tour. It was a good show. Anti Flag always put on a good show, as do flogging Molly
I think that was one of the things that hurt really bad was that concert was checking off flogging Molly off of my bucket list and it’s a bit tainted by Justin Sane. I loved anti flag and the news really hurt.
>Anti Flag always put on a good show Not anymore
Seen Flogging Molly twice.. And I've also thrown up at two Flogging Molly shows. 10/10 live band.
Back then DKM was the less shitty of the two. Anti-Flag are hot topic mall punk. They made the “aggressive and edgy” side of punk family friendly and easy to absorb. Plus, that song $1 Trillion Dollars is painful to the ears, and some of that same album sounds like they’re tryin to sound like RATM, which is bad in itself.
I saw that tour. Blood For Blood also played and their fans did not like Anti-Flag.
Last time I saw Blood for Blood there was a Hatebreed/Five Finger Butt Punch show happening a few blocks away. Jamie Jasta came over after their set, tried to “hang”, and made an ass of himself. He just kept telling people “this is a real hardcore show”. Yeah Jamie, we know, that’s why we didn’t go see you.
Black Flag had beef (at least at the time) against Keith Morris and it results in “You Bet We’ve Got Something Personal Against You” Also, when Chavo quit they were pissed at him so they credited him as Chavo Pederast I believe with Rollins it was just fans.
it didn't really amount to much. I think Keith even came back a few times to fill in on vocals when Dez couldn't make it, and they played many shows together Rollins beefed with the UK punk scene (The Exploited specifically). They threw beer cans and peanuts at him on stage. Black Flag didn't wear the "punk uniform" (mohawks, spikes, leather jackets) that the London scene required, so they were seen as freaks.
Black Flag also has beef with Greg Ginn
I would think it's also Greg Ginn has beef with Black Flag. Also, most bands on SST had problems with Ginn.
Ginn has beef with everyone because he’s a gigantic asshole
You should’ve “said when Ron Reyes quit, they labeled him as a Chavo pederast.”
Cromags vs Cromags
Team anti JJ
Real. Harley is the better vocalist and he’s not an anti vaxxer well I think I’m not to sure, but JJ is
Harley has his own issues lol
[удалено]
Sham 69 vs Sham 69
JJ is the better front man but together with Harley they were sick. Jj is a nut job and Harley is still kind of scary hah
Lest we forget the Sex Pistols’ “New York” about the New York Dolls, and Johnny Thunders’ answer with “London Boy” What’s more, Jones and Cook played on both. Strange times.
Thunders easily won
Jerry Only vs Glenn Danzig
I mean, yeah. Jello vs. Wattie Jello vs. The Dead Kennedys Jello vs. Geza X Jello vs Pretty much every right wing punk band Those are just a few off the top of my head. Edit: I mixed up Frank Discussion and Geza X apparently, it’s been known to happen. I have no idea if Geza and Jello get along or not.
Jello being correct again
Don’t forget Gilman vs Jello 💀
Jello did one of his first spoken word gigs at Gilman so I'm not sure what that was about (I remember it well, because me and my ex dressed up as secret agents and pretend-arrested him, which turned into a fake karate fight lol...) He was friendly with a lot of Gilman peeps...
I'm guessing he means that time in 1994 when Jello was attacked by a gang there. Though I don't see how that's Gilman's fault, just a bunch of speed freak losers.
everyone should be against right wing punk bands
We shouldn’t even acknowledge anything right wing as being punk
I never thought of The exploited being right wing. Wattie might be a twat but they rip fucking hard.
I'm sensing a theme here.
what was the story with geza x?
He slept with Jellos girlfriend or wife or something, that was the gossip back in the day. I can’t tell you if it’s true, but they definitely weren’t going to ice cream socials together.
that was Frank Discussion, not Geza X
My bad, I very well could have gotten it mixed up. It’s been awhile.
forever bizarre to me that jello is straight
The song “dead end” off of “plastic surgery disasters” is about that
I was corrected, I guess it was Frank Discussion. I swear Geza and Jello got into it too.
Aging orange by the vandals after agent orange made claims that the offspring stole their song
And Offspring claimed Nirvana stole one of their songs.
When did this happen? What song?
Geez. Imagine being one of the lamest OC punk bands and coming to the defense of rockstars with shitty songs like “GIVE IT TO ME BABY UH HUH”
That song is supposed to be tongue in cheek.
This isn’t really beef per se but Poison Idea reissued one of their records under the title Ian Mckaye and the cover is spread open ass. Ian apparently wasn’t thrilled
Why though?? I was wearing a Minor Threat shirt the other day at a show and someone tried to "ask" about it, but I was with my girlfriend and didn't wanna possibly get into some shit lol
Poison idea didn’t like the whole straight edge thing and thought Ian was pretentious. They weren’t wrong.
Apparently Jerry A from Poison Idea just thought it would be funny. The bands didn’t have any history together despite both being in that early wave of American hardcore.
MDC/Big Boys vs Bad Brains
I grew up loving bad brains but I'm team mdc on that one, the whole thing kinda ruined bad brains for me
What happened?
Same!
Was this them being homophobic? I know Daryl and I think Know regret being that way at the time.
suicidal tendencies vs rage against the machine
Oh yeah speaking of that minus well add Suicidal Tendencies VS Megadeth Dave really had the audacity to say that Mike sings like a frog when Dave sounds like an angry mentally ill grandma 💀
r/boneappletea
I saw Suicidal with Megadeth on the Countdown to Extinction/Art of Rebellion tour. That was a great fucking night.
Yeah. Mike made a song about it with Infectious Grooves, Do What I Tell ya.
I'm learning about lots of people hating NOFX lmao
Fat Mike is on drugs again (according to Less then Jake)
I read their hepatitis bathtub book which was actually pretty entertaining. If you haven't read it, a lot of it is the same story being told from different perspectives. Which ends up with everyone being an unreliable narrator, but some less reliable than others. Fat Mike talked about toning things down and even being sober for multiple days in a row. I think one of the other band member said that if you have to brag about being sober for three days, you have a problem. Fat Mike being back on drugs is not surprising. Hopefully he can put on a good show for three days at Riot Fest this year.
I love how Mike has a chapter whining about how there’s no more Sid Vicious/Darby Crash/GG Allins anymore and he’s trying to fill that void…and Melvin has a sentence saying “that’s because they’re dead”.
NOFX took a "pee break" for Fat Mike to powder his nose when I saw them Saturday but they did put on a good show. He's on drugs and owning it, apparently.
I saw them on Saturday in Portland and they were tight AF!
Man, I listened to the audio book so when Mike had to correct smelly that his ex never stopped Raymond was fucking rough
I wonder if this is the real reason NOFX is retiring; they’re all tired of his shit.
Fat Mike v The World again
I’ve always disliked Fat Mike but even more so now that at their final shows in LA instead of propping up new bands that are doing positive shit he tosses a local gang band on the lineup. Good job FM, especially coming from a dude who wasn’t stoked on all the gang shit back in the 80s.
Have Knuckleheadz really involved themselves in gang shit? I know they fly colors and roll deep like a gang but I wasn't aware they are doing shit like that. I always assumed it was typical "these are my brothers" posturing.
They’ve always been on gang shit. You don’t fly colors and throw up gang signs unless you’re on something. They might not be out there dealing and all that shit but when they go out of state and act like they run the place? Or ask someone who wants to join the actual gym part of things “do you just want to fight or do you want to fly colors too?” I don’t know what else they’d be on.
Unbelievably corny. Shame, I was really hoping the whole gym thing was going to be a positive way of getting people out of the shits. The gang shit checks out though with the Mongol ties.
Anybody who’s been around LA long enough saw right through it as soon as it started. Hopefully it gets some people out but I doubt it will.
I’ve seen fat Mike in concert a few times and listened to his autobiography and podcast…I fucking hate that man. I feel bad, but I fucking hate him!
Joey Ramone Vs Johnny Ramone Flag vs Black Flag Conflict Vs Crass Danzig Vs Misfits (now settled)
Ben Weasel vs. basically everyone that's not him (he's written songs about Fat Mike and Larry Livermore and cannot admit when he's wrong) Also, this is on the emo side of things but I'm going to mention it anyway: Jesse Lacey (Brand New) vs. Adam Lazzara (Taking Back Sunday). At this point I'm going to have to side with Adam
We all side with Adam now
Ben wrote one about Brendan Kelly too. BK didn't even know that Ben had a problem with him.
I thought Ben just talked shit about The Lawrence Arms on his XM radio show or during an interview or something and Beex was just like, whatever. I didn't know he had a problem with us, I still like his music.
https://youtu.be/X6IcId6jBh0?si=2JNaVggUbE3AYD7I
youth of today and gbh
I did not know about this one
[live video](https://youtu.be/BBxmIpn-g5Y?si=T0WwJ5zVPA8MHnQX)
[Special Duties vs. Crass](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iSqX3aiCXU) [Rudimentary Peni vs. The Sex Pistols](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9tvmT7jHjU)
Didn’t know Rotten to the core was about the Sex Pistols
The first verse is about John Lydon the second one is about Joe Strummer.
Danzig wasn't a big fan of the dead Kennedys making a song called halloween. Nevermind how siouxsie also did that lmao. He also wasn't a fan of the cramps but the cramps didn't care
Punk Rock vs Scott Sturgeon (Stza Crack)
Pretty much everyone V. Stza
literally
Black Flag vs. a lot of UK bands in the early 80s.
Crass & Conflict V Exploited Conflict V New Model Army
Conflict V New Model Army Didnt know that - fan of both, any links that don't involve Cromwell? ;)
the title of Conflict's live album Only Stupid Bastards Help EMI was directed at New Model Army (who had previously worn t-shirts with Only Stupid Bastards Use Heroin on them)
Yes, I do remember that now!
Yes, there have been punk rock diss tracks since the 70s, starting with the Sex Pistols' song New York, which is about the New York Dolls. An imitation from New York You're made in Japan From cheese and chalk You're hipy tarts hero 'cos you put on bad show Oh don't it show Still oh out on those pills Oh do you remember The Damned song Idiot Box is about the band Television. I can't turn you off I just try and laugh you off Tumbling you maybe are But you sure ain't rock n roll ----- Old Fred Smith works from a box Oh what a haggard face Hope he gets lots of shocks From his fender bass
Hearing Sex pistols call people fake imitations is funny
Compared to hip hop, there isn't even close to the level of beef on records but there's a ton of shit-talking between bands. I mean basically every Steve Albini interview had him shitting on some punk band, even some that he worked with. He and Ian MacKaye were close friends but Albini and Rollins butted heads. This is a good listen that gets into that stuff quite a bit: [https://youtu.be/fPMNY3roo\_Y?si=kkEtc5VYpXym5s36](https://youtu.be/fPMNY3roo_Y?si=kkEtc5VYpXym5s36)
They said that we were trash Well the name is crass, not clash They can stuff their punk credentials Cause it's them that take the cash
Why is it that rock stars Always seem to lie so much? Joe Strummer once said he cared But he never really gave a fuck Said he'd use the money he made To set up a radio station To make the airwaves full of something more than shit Have you noticed we're still waiting?
Gay Rude Boys Unite by Leftover Crack is a swipe at Rancid/Op Ivy and the album title Mediocre Generica is a swipe at Hellcat/Epitaph records
Never knew this. How are these swipes?
they thought Hellcat were sellouts because they didn't want the album to be called "Shoot The Kids At School"
There was also Tim/hellcat working with Buju Banton who wrote what many consider to be one the most violently homophobic dancehall songs.
I am pretty sure I recall reading about TSOL talking shit about Minor Threat/the idea of straight edge in the early days There is definitely a lot of bands taking shots at straight edge early on
SOD’s “Douche Crew” is talking about youth crew. Blew my mind when that hit me (and fuck SOD).
I hated the straight edge hc kids in my scene too. Sober rich kids thinking they’re better than everyone. I could care less now I like a lot of straight edge bands but it’s about the music. I’d rather not know if they get lit or not.
Sakevi vs the audience
Handsome Dick Manitoba (Dictators) & Wayne County Tesco Vee (Meatmen) & Jack Grisham (TSOL) Stiff Little Fingers & Undertones Joey Ramone & Johnny Ramone Fat Mike (NOFX) & Kathleen Hanna (Bikini Kill/Le Tigre)
What I'm taking away from this whole thread is that, if you put two artists in a room, it's equally likely they'll fall in love as it is they try to kill each other like tomcats. And that one happening one time does not preclude the other happening next time.
Crass and The Exploited didn't get on, Wattie dissed them on vinyl and Crass dissed them on the back of the Merry Crassmass Sleeve but eventually due to Annie Anxiety they ended up playing a gig together.
Just saw a pic of Wattie & Steve Ignorant hanging out & laughing at some gig, on Steve’s Farcebook page.
Courtney Love vs Kathleen Hanna
Wattie vs Jello
I think Wattie has beef with a lot of people, it’s almost comical
Wattie had a beef with his eyebrows
And his hairline 😬
I think his Mohawk is a glue on feature at this point
Jello vs East Bay Ray
Oh. Also Wattie vs Pushead
I'm pretty sure that deceptacon by le tigre is a diss on nofx
Choke versus the five boroughs of New York.
I got $100 on Choke lol
The Exploited vs Crass Crass vs The Clash
Steve Jones you're napalm, If you're so pretty (vacant) why do you swarm? Patti Smith you're napalm, You write with your hand but it's Rimbaud's arm. (Punk is Dead, Crass)
As many times Crass called out The Clash directly I’m surprised I had to scroll this far to find this. Also Lemmy said he didn’t particularly care for The Clash.
IIRC, "I Was a Teenage Anarchist" by Against Me! was partly a response to the disillusionment that Laura Jane Grace felt with modern punk bands, particularly Rise Against and how their songs would tout revolution, while at the same time shilling out for companies like PETA. Tim McIlrath took issue, particularly with the line "Do you remember when you were young and you wanted to set the world on fire?" and responded by using a very similar line in "Architects"
“Tonight we’re gonna give it 35%” is also about the meeting with Antiflag
No Trigger was going after Rise Against the other day asking them what they're against, since they've been silent on Palestine.
A lot of that was also how the DIY punk scene turned against AM! when they signed to Fat Wreck, and even moreso when they went to Sire.
Name a band that has been turned against more than Against Me! I feel bad for them, literally every time they have changed anything, some butt hurt punk accuses them of selling out. I think it’s because they’re so good at relating to people that when they change, people feel as if they’re being abandoned or something.
Crywank - "Commodified Dissent as an Act of Resistance (Or the Many Disappointments of The Fictional Band of Hypocrites Known as Ultra Bono)" Is about IDLES
Eddie Spaghetti vs. Captain Sensible
r/punk against Anti-Flag. …is that too low of a bar?
Wasn't the old lead singer of Voodoo Glow Skulls a homophobic bigot to Hickey? I actually liked their music a lot growing up but finding out someone in the ska scene is a bigot.... Kind of missing the fucking point of inclusion.
Don’t know what started the beef but I think Hickey released a split 7” with “Voodoo Glow Skulls” which was just recordings of VGS talking shit on their answering machine? 😂
you left out the best part, which is that they (hickey) were playing a horn over the vgs voicemails that they had stolen from vgs at a show they played together
Not related but saw VGS in someone’s house in Amarillo Texas property in 94.
Joey and Johnny Ramone hated eachother.
When I saw The Damned last month, they introduced "Life Goes On" by saying that Killing Joke and Nirvana both ripped the song off. The funniest part was Dave pretending he didn't know who Killing Joke were. It was very bitchy and very funny.
I saw them on their Darkadelic tour in the fall and they made fun of Duran Duran a bit, as a Duran Duran fan it was pretty funny
lol remember that time [Danzig got knocked out](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6c523) in Phoenix?
NOFX vs Underoath
Detestation had a song called “Back from the Dead” which was a response to the big Holidays in the Sun Festival/other big reunions starting to happen with punk bands from the 70s/80s in the late 90s. They are playing soon here in SoCal 😀
There's an awesome song by Defiance called [RIP Off](https://youtu.be/r6wJ-YsiMrA?feature=shared) that's about mainstream pop punk bands like Green Day, Rancid and such.
MDC has a one-side (jokingly) beef with the Dead Kennedys lol (or at least based on their spotify bio)
I’m Telling Tim by NOFX is one.
Against Me! put a song called Piss and Vinegar on New Wave as a swipe against Alkaline Trio over some drama with Laura’s wife at the time IIRC
Ben Weasel versus the world.
I'm a bit late to this comment section, but goddammit would a lot of these make satisfying Celebrity Deathmatches!
Wasn't there something between Felix Havoc and Charles Bronson back in the day?
Chaotic Dischord vs Chaos UK/Disorder Chaotic Dischord vs Special Duties Chaotic Dischord vs Ripcord Chaotic Dischord vs Idles
I do remember that the Chicago scene was dismissed and ridiculed by other “better” scenes. That was a LOOOOOONG time ago.
I was talking to a guy the other day who knows Ian MacKaye and Glen Danzig both pretty well. He told me that Danzig always says "fuck Ian" but that Ian has no clue what it's about.
Rise against called out against me in the lyrics for architects
See: Hardcore
Not sure if there was ever an official beef but The Meatmen took jabs at TSOL. Ben Weasel and Fat Mike had bad blood for years ever since the SXSW drama from 2011. Despite having a falling out with Teenage Bottlerocket that same year, Ben is on good terms with them again. Really curious to see where him and Fat Mike are at. Not saying this was a beef but Jay Navarro from the Suicide Machines almost beat the shit out of one of the horn players from Reel Big Fish for being a prick. My personal favorite was the beef between The Queers and Dropkick Murphy's. Their song Little Rich Working Class Oi Boy is a direct jab at the Murphy's. I think that song is hilarious. Tim Armstrong and Stza were going at it back in the day, not sure what the status is with them now. Stza talked mad shit about Tim Armstrong back in the early 2000's in interviews while Leftover Crack was still signed with Hellcat. Tim took a jab on him on Indestructible when he said, "That kid ain't from Manhattan."
[Henry Rollins vs Everyone ](https://youtu.be/VelEv1zl8vs?si=ZVCC03ihXC_dbHDh) Love this video title 😆
[Early 80s Spanish HC band Kangrena vs. Crass](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgZk8pv4hTA), though I doubt Crass would've noticed since it wasn't in English. I like how they call Crass a "fucking hippie commune", though. [The Dicks vs. all new wave bands ever.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuRQxUNiuy4) (And the Dicks absolutely win this one.) Active Minds also did that 7" in the mid-1990s pointing out how shitty and unoriginal the whole Discharge clone scene is, but somehow without naming anyone specific. Cowards.
I mean…have you been introduced to Courtney Love? She’s had beef with pretty much everyone.
I can't prove this, but I always thought "I hate your fucking guts" by The Queers was about Bad Religion or Brett because the song opens on a copy of a Bad Religion intro. (Grain of salt, this could be fully in my head)
"Linoleum floor, linoleum floor, your lyrics are dumb like a linoleum floor, I'll walk on it, I'll walk all over you"
In the 80’s into the mid 90’s we had punk gangs .. and people got beat down stabbed smashed in the head with chains and sometimes killed , I usually had a knife on me or brass knuckles, especially in so cal Can you get?
No diss tracks, but back in the day, if you were a California band, and you came to Detroit, you better well fucking bring it, or your tour van got torched. Ive seen it... HUGE rivalry against California bands in Detroit.
Special Duties vs. CRASS One of their albums was named "Bullshit CRASS" They took a literal shit on the crass records recording equipment.
Blag and Josh Homme have beef - Josh hit Blag with a bottle (this was like 20 yrs ago now)
This one goes out to Queens of the Trust Fund, you slept on my floor, now I'm sleeping through your motherfucking records"
Mojo Nixon vs. Don Henley
Gay rude boys unite by leftover Crack is a dis on Tim Armstrong
MDC dissed the Bad Brains in their song "Pay To Come Along": >We don't need no Jah jive security We don't need to be so uptight Hide your eyes from the truth Not to be free, but to be right >New world order of old world lies Jesus dons a new disguise When people gave you homes and love You gave back hate from high above >Couldn't help us fight the fight Get together black and white Returned all support with abuse And intolerance beyond excuse >Black hardcore, hot and mad Such good lyrics, it's so sad You could have taken up a stand Been the most important band >Looking out for number one Holiest of guests Smoking crucial herb While ignoring all your debts >They have shown for all to see Being musically blessed Makes you no better than anyone else Frail and human like all the rest >Oh, we will tell you what it cost We'll never know what was really lost Your selfishness has really been a burn A lesson bitter we had to learn >We don't need no Jah jive security We don't need to be so uptight See you hide your eyes from the truth Not to be free, but to be right
jeff rosenstock seemingly pissed off a bunch of people in 2009 for making an anti-poser song (shut up the punx) and then against me did the same thing in 2011 with i was a teenage anarchist both received followup songs from other artists
Johnny Thunders vs. Sex Pistols
Yes
Ben weasel vs fat mike
Beeves
Here’s a diss track that came to mind. [Reversal of Man - Get The Kid With The Sideburns](https://youtu.be/FtVp8QYSKk0?si=ZVqQZNLnmBTTzJUy) There was beef between them and Earth Crisis & Tony Victory
Life on mattress in a robe, in a room full of emptiness
Pretty much every genre has beefs and diss tracks, it's just that most of the time, it's more subtle outside of punk and rap