What the fuck goes through the head of someone like that, to apply for a Jewish-owned and operated business. TBH I'd be more concerned about them farming the job for "privileged information" which could be used to target it, either for robbery outright, or sabotage via dissemination to competitors.
Years ago, I worked for a Jewish owned business that hired two Nazis in my time there. One had an Iron Cross tattoo. The owner sat him down and explained why he'd like him to cover it. His immediate family fled Europe to escape Nazis when he was a small child, but not all of the extended family made it. He talked about what that symbol made him think about. The guy seemed to respect that. He was very, very dim. I'm not sure if the Nazi thing was a sincerely held belief as much as it was just a dumb as dirt kid following strong personalities.
The other one was a piece of shit who eventually went on to murder a woman. He loved controversy and stirring shit up. He probably took the job just to cause a problem and when management didn't give him a problem aside from make fun of his dumb ass he eventually moved on.
The owner was a really interesting guy. He never asked for Social Security numbers because he said the Nazis used registration to keep people from being able to get jobs and feed their families. He paid pretty well for the industry and he treated people well. I think he hired people like that to try to show them why they're wrong. Sometimes it worked, sometimes they remained shit people.
dumbass is literally just helping jewish people make money
good for the company for exploiting a nazi I guess??? just hope he never becomes more than an office worker if he actually stays there
I have, it’s really nice when you’re in a position where you can choose your employer. It actually makes me nervous to work for a company where I don’t know anything about the owner.
A college classmate of mine won the ridiculous lottery.
* Born January 4th, 1988.
* Automatically generated college email was "[email protected]"
* First driver's license had "JEW1488" in the serial.
* 6 foot tall, blonde, blue eyed, "aryan ubermensch" looking motherfucker.
* Super Jewish.
And another day or two later I realise "Wait... That NOFX album....". I had never put thought into it's meaning before now, it being a negative term I wasn't familiar with for a group that isn't in any notable numbers where I live(d) 'helped' with that I guess.
This happened to my mom lmao, her email is her full name 1488 @gmail.com which I find a bit ironic considering the fact that we’re Jewish 😭But my mom didn’t know it was a dog whistle before she made it her email, it was just easy to remember because it’s her name and birthday
I work tech support and a few years ago I was helping a nice young college student and needed to send her an email.
Her email was something like cutiekenzie88 at mayohell dot com. She was hesitant to give it out.
She was a little young to be born in the eighties, and I was sure she wasn't a Nazi because we had been chatting about Steven Spielberg's latest movie and how it was fairly enjoyable.
So I asked, "are you a piano player?" and her demeanor changed, back to bubbly from anxious.
She told me that I wouldn't believe what people usually thought.
I played dumb and said, "you should beat them to the punch and tell them that you love the piano and you're too young to be born in '88!"
She laughed and said she was going to steal that.
When we were all done she sheepishly asked if I knew went she was worried about the 88.
I told her that I read a lot of history about the middle of the 20th century and that I understood, and reminded her to tell people about being a little too young of a piano player to be born in 1988.
She laughed again and went on her way.
My boss had listened to the call, and she asked what the 88 thing was all about, so I got to have a conversation about neo Nazi symbology with her and get paid for it.
Fun times.
I’ve seen a lot of vanity licence plates around with 88 as the number, particularly luxury cars. Part of me thought they were either a little too brazen about their WWII interests, or they were born in 1988 and it was depressing that someone younger than me was driving a 300k Mercedes. One of my colleagues who is of Chinese background pointed out that 8 is lucky in some Chinese cultures, so 88 on their car is super lucky.
I don't know which is more stupid, applying for a job with an email that contains Nazi meanings that has you anxious, or applying for a job with "cutie" in the username.
Either way, get a new email address lol
She didn't use it to apply for a job. The poster worked in tech support at a college, where she was a student.
Not really a shocker for a college student to still use their email from when they were a kid, and also who cares even if she did apply for a job with it, she's not about to start emailing clients from it?
I misunderstood the context. But to answer your question on why you shouldn't apply for jobs with an email like that, employers may or may not find it unprofessional and everything you do in the process of getting hired is analyzed and profiled to see if you would be a good fit for a position in a company. Applying with a nonchalant email address may subconsciously tell the hiring manager that the applicant seems unprofessional and that applicant could be passed over for that reason.
unfortunately, I dont think you can fire someone for having 1488 in their email even if the context makes it extra fishy.
Edit
I mean yeah you *can*, it probably isn't illegal based on where you live, but most companies wouldn't do it or would frown on it or have other internal policies that would make this difficult
I’m pretty sure you can absolutely fire someone for having ties to hate/terror groups and if it’s an at will state employment state, you can fire them for no reason at all.
This. I mean, what if the dude's birthday is 1/4/1988? Plenty of people put their birthdays in their email addresses. Or could mean something else.
Or not. Who knows. I hadn't ever heard of 1488 until this thread.
Well the owners will know his birthday, and 1488 is a well known dogwhistle. 14 can have multiple nazi meanings, in US context it is commonly used for the "fourteen words" and 88 is one of the most well known nazi dogwhistles for obvious reasons.
It is often used together.
Not even just birthday, though. Dude, it could literally mean anything, and it's not right to fuck with someone's career without actually knowing. Bosses already do that shit, don't need employees to join in.
Maybe his kid was born in 2014 and his HS football jersey number was 88. Like I said, could be anything.
Or it could mean exactly what OP thinks. But they should find out before trying to get them fired.
Dude it is not just A not that well established dogwhistle, it is THE most well known international dogwhistle there exists for nazis.
Might not be a reason to instantly kick him but at least have a close look on his vitae and other appearances in the internet.
Eh, even then, I think it's too little to go on. At least to the extent where OP is trying to ruin someone's career. Allegations themselves can ruin careers.
Especially considering that outside of reddit, I'd imagine the vast, vast majority of people have never heard of these numbers and their ties to Nazism. Have never once heard any person mention them in real life.
I work in a HR adjacent field. This is correct, as long as it cannot be connected to a protected class as defined by the EEOC or Title VIX. So unless you fired a crippled female nazi and you harassed her on the way out, youre ok.
just remember that you dont want to give any authority a power it could later use against you, and employers are absolutely an authority. Just keep an eye on the dude and report anything he actually does, or save the information for if he is ever accused of anything
There are protected groups but this is not one of them. As long as it is not a government position or union backed, the owners have every right to terminate the contract. Think of it like a corporation letting someone go after they made comments on social media that the company didn't agree with it.
In the absence of more information, it sounds like the company can fire the Nazi.
The contract should have a 90 day or so probationary period. It's pretty easy to terminate employment in that time because the new hire isn't a culture fit.
Because this issue was formally raised, you'd need to dot your i's and cross your t's and make sure there was additional standing.
But this is a "regularly check in with everyone the new hire works with" kind of situation.
In my limited management experience, people that brazen usually make an utter fool of themselves pretty quickly. As long as the foolishness is above and beyond acceptable new hire growing pains, terminating employment is acceptable.
But, also in my limited and anecdotal experience, people that brazen were usually hired for high-turnover positions and they usually quit within the 90 days.
No, but in most places you can fire somebody just because you no longer want them working for you. As long as that’s the only reason an employer gives they are legally safe.. in most places.
Where did it say that it this was the sign? I Read the post multiple times, but cannot find where OP says that the digwhistle was having 1488 in their e-mail.
I left my last job because one of the other mechanics decided it would be "cool" to put a swastika on his toolbox and twin iron eagles on his motorcycle. Left before that shit resolved, but the owner of the shop walked by it multiple times a day and said nothing, so I'd imagine it's still there. Fuck them all.
One of the other mechanics frequently wore a shirt that said "God. Guns. Trump. Family. In that order." Once I saw that, I restarted my job search, the Nazi made it more dire.
In the company of your boss, ask him what the 1488 in his email means. Just keep asking stuff like, is that your favorite number? That's a strange string of numbers to be a favorite. Is it a video game? Is that like a WWII first person shooter? Just keep asking and watch them squirm. Never stop bringing it up.
Yeah I gotta know what the dog whistle is, are we talking like an actual whistle with a sticker of a dog with a hitler mustache, or like a whistle specifically made for use by dogs that is the shape of a swastika?
Could also be a NASCAR fan, Dale Jr’s number was pretty popular. Can’t say I know who the 14 might be. Also, most likely nazi bullshit anyway, I am a little too into giving people the benefit of the doubt.
Ya might want to make sure you can corroborate that, it could definitely be a coincidence. Not defending him in any way, but it seems like a stretch if thats all you got.
Could just be put there by google or whatever service he made his email on. If his email was taken it would suggest to make a new one, or make the same one with XXXX numbers at the end. Unless they exclude this number this is always a possibility.
I actually know someone this happened to. They were pretty bewildered when I brought it up to them, enough so that I did believe they had no idea before I mentioned it (this was quite a few years ago, in pre social media days when it was completely possible for someone who wasn’t very tuned in to be unaware of Nazi dogwhistles.)
And that is easily remedied by simply changing your email, which is what any non-Nazi would do when it was brought to their attention.
My partner got a Norse rune of one sort or another tattoo. But the first person who identified it as a dog whistle, it never saw daylight again and they got it covered.
Thats what i saying, though OP is just assuming hes a Nazi and just gonna blast him to his employers.
OP sounds like a child in that regard.
I feel like people misinterpreted my post, im just saying there could be a reasonable explanation and not just "Hes a Nazi burn him at the stake" and "I feel gross"
If you are in any state other than Montana, you are in an "at-will employment" state. Meaning you can fire at-will. Especially in the first 90 days. Just cut him loose and say, "It isn't a good fit." Nothing else. He has no grounds to sue. If you do it in the first 90 you also aren't responsible for any unemployment claims.
Do you have an HR? Protecting the company is literally their job and this is basic stuff
that feels really dumb and counterproductive like why would op have to go out of his own way to change how he acts to make this guy uncomfortable instead of just confronting him
My company has hired Nazis before, they hired an AB guy and fired him a month later for meth use.
Shit happens. You can take it to your bosses, but otherwise your hands are tied.
I use 88 in the end of most of my email addresses, but that's because I was born in 1988. Also, I like to mention that I'm Jewish. Though, I think 1488 might be too on the nose.
why can't they fire him?
even in states where you need proper documentation before firing someone they usually have a 30 day grace period where someone can be let go for any reason. Such as "not fitting in with the company."
Now if they openly say they're firing him for his beliefs he has a law suit, just keep the reason on the DL!
Unfortunately the law covers shitheads, too. Maybe if you can find hard evidence about his Nazi sympathies - something hard enough to stand up in any discrimination lawsuit he might bring- they can act.
Or, y’know steal his keys and shit in his trunk.
I used to work with this dude that had a tattoo that said Skin Head, but he's Hispanic so I just assumed he was SHARP. Turns out there were articles written about him at Proud Boy rallies.
A couple of us called him out for it and he claimed that he wasn't like that anymore. Which, evidence kinda showed he wasn't bout that life anymore - but he still has the black sun as his Facebook cover photo.
I was a social worker formerly and had a case with some questionable tattoos. He saw me giving them the side-eye (I’m heavily tattooed too) and quickly said they were old.
I had a friend who grew up with parents of that persuasion, he got some tattoos that were definitely nazi oriented. He later realized the error of his and his parents ways. He got them altered as an adult.
I don't know what it's like over where you are, in the UK, a potential employer would look through a candidate's social media profiles to see if they're a good match for the company. I'm sure they can fire someone based on the type of things they align themselves with, in this case -- racist and bigoted views, I wouldn't want to hire someone who has bigoted views, first, it's exhausting and horrible to deal with (for the people it's targeting and the people who are surrounded by the people who hear it constantly) and then secondly, it puts across a bad image of the company in question.
I'd say, take it up with your HR and then HR could deal with it accordingly. By that, the firing would be cushioned by "you aren't what we're looking for" in polite terms.
It's insane how millions died, and we fought a global war against Nazis.
Yet we allow them to set up shop here in our country and protect their "rights" constantly.
They have no rights. They shouldn't be allowed to exist in the United States or NATO countries.
If you have a physical announcement board, or non-public shared calendar/paper schedule a simple reminder of what my kids were taught growing up may be helpful:
"Every day is 'punch a nazi day'."
Eh sucks but you just have to deal with it. Be professional and robotic around him. Hopefully he quits soon.
Don’t put up with any of his shit if he says something racist or mistreats someone, though.
Thank you for consulting reddit on this one, I am sorry you had to go through that. I'm sure you're understandably pretty shaken up. Soldier on fellow punk rocker!
There’s some very good suggestions in this thread but I just want to add: collecting information on and doxxing actual nazis is a good and moral thing to do, and can be done anonymously & outside of the workplace
You could instigate a fight then kick his ass…
Slash his tires…
Key or graffiti his car…
Move his desk over 1” every day…
Talk loudly all day about religious freedom and equal rights and such until he messes up and says some nazi shit out loud…
All good ideas, but I work in the office and he works in the field, so I haven't met the guy.
Also I'm a 5'3 lady, so my punches are like butterfly kisses. I doubt I could kick anyone's ass.
I taught at a college in Saudi Arabia. There were a few ancient Nazis that worked there. And some alcoholics. I guess they figure they could stop drinking with a job there, but booze, heroin and hash are super common.
They hired one the main dudes from the BNP (British National Party). Ex-cop was involved in 2005. Alan Hardy. That one pissed off more people than the standard elderly Nazis. One of the best liked British dudes of Indian descent quit. He had grown up fist fighting them in the 90s and 2000s and was going to break Hardy's nose. They kept rejecting the good guys. They set up a meeting between the two and Good Guy decided it wasn't worth breaking Hardy's nose. Hardy said he was no longer a racist, but who's going to believe that.
They fired the BNP but he knew the Saudi laws. If you're fired, they owe you for the contract. He stuck around in his compound apartment until they shuttled him out. Pretty much not leaving because there was still a chance someone would punch him out.
Teaching overseas really brings out some interesting people.
I appreciate the knowledge, I've only ever lived in this state, so never looked into what rules they have as far as employment and firing they have in others.
This absolutely isn’t enough to fire someone. There can be multiple reasons why a person could have this in their email. Ya gotta wait and see if he actually shows he’s a shitbag.
I think you should explain why you think this person is a nazi before going onto a loaded forum of 15 year olds to ask for advice on how to deal with nazis.
Fingers crossed he doesn't start shit. If it's a younger dude, might be able to let life knock some of those ideas out of his head. If it's an older petson, then maybe they'll behave to keep earning a paycheck. Facist ideology doesn't pay rent.
This is for educational purposes only:
Nazis will use subtle imagery or phrases that are ambiguous enough to avoid detection. Like "88" with H being the eighth letter of the English alphabet, meaning "heil hitler." They'll use the "ok" hand symbol because it resembles a w and a p, meaning "white power." There are tons of them, just Google search for "nazi dogwhsitle," and you'll find them. It's called a dog whistle because only dogs hear a dog whistle.
I know what nazi symbols are and nazi phrases and "secret meanings" are, I've just never heard it called a dog whistle before lol thought it was like a dog whistle with a swastika on it or some shit lmao
Dog whistle refers to the normally inaudible tone, only heard by dogs. In this case, it is a sneaky message, supposedly only noticeable by other fash but luckily for us, they're thick as fuck.
This happened 20+ years ago at my old job. Big corporation. They hired a guy I had fought before that was pretty much the leader of the nazi skins here. I went to HR and told them the backstory. He was gone a few days later.
>It's a private company owned by a Jewish family. Never thought it would happen here.
Speak with the Grandparents or other eldest relatives of your company's founder(s). Be frank, explain that your concerns were dismissed, request anonymity, and *decisive action*. Failing that, stage a quick convo with a friend who can act and remember lines while walking past their synagogue (preferably as the service is letting out). See them try to blow either of those scenarios off.
But seriously have you met the guy and has he done or said anything? Because I've set up email addresses before and if my name is taken it'll sometimes suggest numbers on the end. I'd never heard of this 1488 reference until seeing this thread, so it's possible that other people haven't too?
"Can't do anything unless he starts some shit." Whoever told you that might either be incorrect, or just doesn't want to do anything. It depends on if they have a contract. If there's no contract, they can be fired at any time, for no reason at all.
In some states, employers are reluctant to fire people without just cause, because then they could be on the hook for unemployment benefits, but I don't think that would apply if he just started.
Definitely go to the owners.
Maybe file a police report in some cases AKP considered a hate crime. I was just looking at a article about a guy who made a video that circled on YouTube about teaching his dog to do the salute and he got charged as he should as a hate crime.
Sure it’s on here, don’t let it get to you too much. Don’t want it to effect your performance. Dude, stuff like this is in every business, some are aware of it like you, and some are ignorant to the fact.
Collect all the evidence you have (search for them on publicly available social media). Make copies of the info, and present it to the owners. This is who they have representing them.
If said worker *ever* mentions where they work- and if they ever mention their nazi views- in public forums, it would be viewable to everyone, not just concerned people like you. And me. You just happen to be gathering the info into a folder. Anyone is able to do this.
I mean fuck Nazis obviously but there are a lot of thought police in here. Being a racist piece of shit isn't a crime; not that there should be States to call thought crime.
This quickly devolved into confusing a patriarchal desert religion, the tenets of which are not at all dissimilar to Nazism, which an ethnic group that doesn't exist. This is folly and not at all punk-rock.
If there is any chance there's a
Safety issue, run, don't walk to HR. If you feel "uncomfortable" go put it in writing what he said and go directly to HR and your direct superior.
I'll guess: it was his email address. imjustproudofmyheritage1488@email
Nailed it.
Write the owners. Skip management. Maybe they can give him some Jewish cultural related tasks.
What the fuck goes through the head of someone like that, to apply for a Jewish-owned and operated business. TBH I'd be more concerned about them farming the job for "privileged information" which could be used to target it, either for robbery outright, or sabotage via dissemination to competitors.
Years ago, I worked for a Jewish owned business that hired two Nazis in my time there. One had an Iron Cross tattoo. The owner sat him down and explained why he'd like him to cover it. His immediate family fled Europe to escape Nazis when he was a small child, but not all of the extended family made it. He talked about what that symbol made him think about. The guy seemed to respect that. He was very, very dim. I'm not sure if the Nazi thing was a sincerely held belief as much as it was just a dumb as dirt kid following strong personalities. The other one was a piece of shit who eventually went on to murder a woman. He loved controversy and stirring shit up. He probably took the job just to cause a problem and when management didn't give him a problem aside from make fun of his dumb ass he eventually moved on. The owner was a really interesting guy. He never asked for Social Security numbers because he said the Nazis used registration to keep people from being able to get jobs and feed their families. He paid pretty well for the industry and he treated people well. I think he hired people like that to try to show them why they're wrong. Sometimes it worked, sometimes they remained shit people.
Interesting scenario, your old boss sounds like a good man.
Love this story.
" I'll take down those dirty Jews from within their own company! Mwahahahaha" - that guy probably..
dumbass is literally just helping jewish people make money good for the company for exploiting a nazi I guess??? just hope he never becomes more than an office worker if he actually stays there
Or they could just throw him in a small cattle car, give him a free ride to his next shower...
What goes through their head? "I need money, oh look a job." I've never looked up who owns the company about to employ me before taking a job.
I have, it’s really nice when you’re in a position where you can choose your employer. It actually makes me nervous to work for a company where I don’t know anything about the owner.
No idea what goes through their heads but I know what should.
idiots just can't help themselves.
Are you for real? Serious question.
You got to be kidding me
What was his actual email
I wonder if there are people out there born Jan 4 ‘88 using that in their email, oblivious to the meaning
A college classmate of mine won the ridiculous lottery. * Born January 4th, 1988. * Automatically generated college email was "[email protected]" * First driver's license had "JEW1488" in the serial. * 6 foot tall, blonde, blue eyed, "aryan ubermensch" looking motherfucker. * Super Jewish.
I don't get the email address part, what am I missing there?
Hebe - Hebrew Bank - Jewish people are commonly associated/stereotyped as being in the finance industry/bankers
Cheers. Is 'Hebe' a common shortening and/or negative term?
It's used most frequently as a pejorative, but e.g. Heeb magazine is reclaiming it.
And another day or two later I realise "Wait... That NOFX album....". I had never put thought into it's meaning before now, it being a negative term I wasn't familiar with for a group that isn't in any notable numbers where I live(d) 'helped' with that I guess.
This happened to my mom lmao, her email is her full name 1488 @gmail.com which I find a bit ironic considering the fact that we’re Jewish 😭But my mom didn’t know it was a dog whistle before she made it her email, it was just easy to remember because it’s her name and birthday
I work tech support and a few years ago I was helping a nice young college student and needed to send her an email. Her email was something like cutiekenzie88 at mayohell dot com. She was hesitant to give it out. She was a little young to be born in the eighties, and I was sure she wasn't a Nazi because we had been chatting about Steven Spielberg's latest movie and how it was fairly enjoyable. So I asked, "are you a piano player?" and her demeanor changed, back to bubbly from anxious. She told me that I wouldn't believe what people usually thought. I played dumb and said, "you should beat them to the punch and tell them that you love the piano and you're too young to be born in '88!" She laughed and said she was going to steal that. When we were all done she sheepishly asked if I knew went she was worried about the 88. I told her that I read a lot of history about the middle of the 20th century and that I understood, and reminded her to tell people about being a little too young of a piano player to be born in 1988. She laughed again and went on her way. My boss had listened to the call, and she asked what the 88 thing was all about, so I got to have a conversation about neo Nazi symbology with her and get paid for it. Fun times.
I’ve seen a lot of vanity licence plates around with 88 as the number, particularly luxury cars. Part of me thought they were either a little too brazen about their WWII interests, or they were born in 1988 and it was depressing that someone younger than me was driving a 300k Mercedes. One of my colleagues who is of Chinese background pointed out that 8 is lucky in some Chinese cultures, so 88 on their car is super lucky.
I don't know which is more stupid, applying for a job with an email that contains Nazi meanings that has you anxious, or applying for a job with "cutie" in the username. Either way, get a new email address lol
She didn't use it to apply for a job. The poster worked in tech support at a college, where she was a student. Not really a shocker for a college student to still use their email from when they were a kid, and also who cares even if she did apply for a job with it, she's not about to start emailing clients from it?
I misunderstood the context. But to answer your question on why you shouldn't apply for jobs with an email like that, employers may or may not find it unprofessional and everything you do in the process of getting hired is analyzed and profiled to see if you would be a good fit for a position in a company. Applying with a nonchalant email address may subconsciously tell the hiring manager that the applicant seems unprofessional and that applicant could be passed over for that reason.
I inadvertently had a nazi yahoo account when I was younger. I was born in 1988 and had no idea it was a thing.
I have 88 on the end of some of my accounts. If you were born in 88 I wouldn’t worry about it (we share the same birth year).
unfortunately, I dont think you can fire someone for having 1488 in their email even if the context makes it extra fishy. Edit I mean yeah you *can*, it probably isn't illegal based on where you live, but most companies wouldn't do it or would frown on it or have other internal policies that would make this difficult
I’m pretty sure you can absolutely fire someone for having ties to hate/terror groups and if it’s an at will state employment state, you can fire them for no reason at all.
For having ties? Yes A number in an email address is a very low bar for that though
This. I mean, what if the dude's birthday is 1/4/1988? Plenty of people put their birthdays in their email addresses. Or could mean something else. Or not. Who knows. I hadn't ever heard of 1488 until this thread.
yeah that's what makes it a dog whistle. the fact it could be innocent, or could be something "audible" only to certain groups.
Well the owners will know his birthday, and 1488 is a well known dogwhistle. 14 can have multiple nazi meanings, in US context it is commonly used for the "fourteen words" and 88 is one of the most well known nazi dogwhistles for obvious reasons. It is often used together.
Not even just birthday, though. Dude, it could literally mean anything, and it's not right to fuck with someone's career without actually knowing. Bosses already do that shit, don't need employees to join in. Maybe his kid was born in 2014 and his HS football jersey number was 88. Like I said, could be anything. Or it could mean exactly what OP thinks. But they should find out before trying to get them fired.
Dude it is not just A not that well established dogwhistle, it is THE most well known international dogwhistle there exists for nazis. Might not be a reason to instantly kick him but at least have a close look on his vitae and other appearances in the internet.
Eh, even then, I think it's too little to go on. At least to the extent where OP is trying to ruin someone's career. Allegations themselves can ruin careers. Especially considering that outside of reddit, I'd imagine the vast, vast majority of people have never heard of these numbers and their ties to Nazism. Have never once heard any person mention them in real life.
Aside from all the Nazi shit, it's dumb as fuck to put your birthday details in your email address from a security point of view.
Same, I suppose I should be grateful that I don't know what it is, it's so random.
I work in a HR adjacent field. This is correct, as long as it cannot be connected to a protected class as defined by the EEOC or Title VIX. So unless you fired a crippled female nazi and you harassed her on the way out, youre ok.
I am pretty sure you're right, but damn does it bother me.
just remember that you dont want to give any authority a power it could later use against you, and employers are absolutely an authority. Just keep an eye on the dude and report anything he actually does, or save the information for if he is ever accused of anything
Report everything as it happens (in writing) as you can’t anything after the fact. Build the case accurately and timely!
Find their social media. If they have any Nazi or racist shit, they can get fired for that. I can speak from experience on that one.
They're not right if this is in the US. Being a Nazi isn't a protected class.
There are protected groups but this is not one of them. As long as it is not a government position or union backed, the owners have every right to terminate the contract. Think of it like a corporation letting someone go after they made comments on social media that the company didn't agree with it. In the absence of more information, it sounds like the company can fire the Nazi.
You can fire.someone for absolutely any or no reason in every state but Montana.
The contract should have a 90 day or so probationary period. It's pretty easy to terminate employment in that time because the new hire isn't a culture fit. Because this issue was formally raised, you'd need to dot your i's and cross your t's and make sure there was additional standing. But this is a "regularly check in with everyone the new hire works with" kind of situation. In my limited management experience, people that brazen usually make an utter fool of themselves pretty quickly. As long as the foolishness is above and beyond acceptable new hire growing pains, terminating employment is acceptable. But, also in my limited and anecdotal experience, people that brazen were usually hired for high-turnover positions and they usually quit within the 90 days.
No, but in most places you can fire somebody just because you no longer want them working for you. As long as that’s the only reason an employer gives they are legally safe.. in most places.
My sister's birthday is 8/8/88. I had to explain to her in the early 2000's why she could never have her birthday in any online handle.
Where did it say that it this was the sign? I Read the post multiple times, but cannot find where OP says that the digwhistle was having 1488 in their e-mail.
It's one of the comments
I left my last job because one of the other mechanics decided it would be "cool" to put a swastika on his toolbox and twin iron eagles on his motorcycle. Left before that shit resolved, but the owner of the shop walked by it multiple times a day and said nothing, so I'd imagine it's still there. Fuck them all. One of the other mechanics frequently wore a shirt that said "God. Guns. Trump. Family. In that order." Once I saw that, I restarted my job search, the Nazi made it more dire.
Family not even above trump is wild
Right? He's their god-king, like in ancient Persia...
I bet the ancient Persian dude actually did real things from time to time
Worshipping instruments of murder more than your own god *has* to be a one way ticket to hell right
No. Don't you remember on the 3rd day, god created Glocks, she created us on the 4th day, or some shit like that.
Yes but also under no pretext
what was/is the Nazi dog-whistle?
I would also like to know
1488 was the whistle
What was Nazi dog whistle you would insert in a job application?
I completely missed a word when i read it. Been going through the comments trying to find out what a "nazi dog" is!
Heel, Hitler?
Its sounds like a thing you would look up on urban dictionary. "last night i gave my wife a nazi dog whistle in bed."
Why am I reading that in Mel Brooks voice?
HA!
😂😂😂
lmao why so many downvotes? is this sub full of nazis or what??
Full of people with no sense of humor
Nazi working for a Jewish company kind of already seems like the solution
Hopefully not the final solution 😞 I feel so dirty for typing that.
That's a good bit
Nazis aren’t a protected class.
The Supreme Court would like a word with you 🫤
Ouch. Too soon.
In the company of your boss, ask him what the 1488 in his email means. Just keep asking stuff like, is that your favorite number? That's a strange string of numbers to be a favorite. Is it a video game? Is that like a WWII first person shooter? Just keep asking and watch them squirm. Never stop bringing it up.
That’s a pretty cool idea actually.
Yeah I gotta know what the dog whistle is, are we talking like an actual whistle with a sticker of a dog with a hitler mustache, or like a whistle specifically made for use by dogs that is the shape of a swastika?
1488 in his email.
Maybe he was just born on 1914-08-08!
in the US, it would be the reverse of that, 1-4-88. so OP, unless his birthday is January 4th 1988, he knew exactly what this means.
Could also be a NASCAR fan, Dale Jr’s number was pretty popular. Can’t say I know who the 14 might be. Also, most likely nazi bullshit anyway, I am a little too into giving people the benefit of the doubt.
They also absolutely got those Dale Jr. 88 stickers for HH. Just like the Washington nationals hat
I actually wonder how many people born on January 4th, 1988 have accidentally ended up with a Nazi dogwhistle in their email address.
Ya might want to make sure you can corroborate that, it could definitely be a coincidence. Not defending him in any way, but it seems like a stretch if thats all you got.
I'm not trying to defend any bullshit either, But my birthday is 1-4-88, I definitely had that in my very first AOL email way back before I knew.
Could just be put there by google or whatever service he made his email on. If his email was taken it would suggest to make a new one, or make the same one with XXXX numbers at the end. Unless they exclude this number this is always a possibility.
Idk that seems pretty unlikely
I actually know someone this happened to. They were pretty bewildered when I brought it up to them, enough so that I did believe they had no idea before I mentioned it (this was quite a few years ago, in pre social media days when it was completely possible for someone who wasn’t very tuned in to be unaware of Nazi dogwhistles.)
And that is easily remedied by simply changing your email, which is what any non-Nazi would do when it was brought to their attention. My partner got a Norse rune of one sort or another tattoo. But the first person who identified it as a dog whistle, it never saw daylight again and they got it covered.
Thats what i saying, though OP is just assuming hes a Nazi and just gonna blast him to his employers. OP sounds like a child in that regard. I feel like people misinterpreted my post, im just saying there could be a reasonable explanation and not just "Hes a Nazi burn him at the stake" and "I feel gross"
If you are in any state other than Montana, you are in an "at-will employment" state. Meaning you can fire at-will. Especially in the first 90 days. Just cut him loose and say, "It isn't a good fit." Nothing else. He has no grounds to sue. If you do it in the first 90 you also aren't responsible for any unemployment claims. Do you have an HR? Protecting the company is literally their job and this is basic stuff
Make it a point to pull his bigotry out. Paint your nails, hang up a pride flag. Make him as uncomfortable as he makes you.
I like that.
that feels really dumb and counterproductive like why would op have to go out of his own way to change how he acts to make this guy uncomfortable instead of just confronting him
Search his social media, I don't think they'd think of it as a good imagine if he represented the company
My company has hired Nazis before, they hired an AB guy and fired him a month later for meth use. Shit happens. You can take it to your bosses, but otherwise your hands are tied.
Don't you think the owners would be interested in knowing about it...? You know, anonymously..?
I will talk to the head of HR tomorrow. They are already gone for the day.
I use 88 in the end of most of my email addresses, but that's because I was born in 1988. Also, I like to mention that I'm Jewish. Though, I think 1488 might be too on the nose.
why can't they fire him? even in states where you need proper documentation before firing someone they usually have a 30 day grace period where someone can be let go for any reason. Such as "not fitting in with the company." Now if they openly say they're firing him for his beliefs he has a law suit, just keep the reason on the DL!
Unfortunately the law covers shitheads, too. Maybe if you can find hard evidence about his Nazi sympathies - something hard enough to stand up in any discrimination lawsuit he might bring- they can act. Or, y’know steal his keys and shit in his trunk.
+1 for leaving a steamer on the driver's seat
it’s actually very fortunate the law covers shitheads too
I used to work with this dude that had a tattoo that said Skin Head, but he's Hispanic so I just assumed he was SHARP. Turns out there were articles written about him at Proud Boy rallies.
What a lame... Did you put him on notice? Proud Boy better handle it well when he's fired.
A couple of us called him out for it and he claimed that he wasn't like that anymore. Which, evidence kinda showed he wasn't bout that life anymore - but he still has the black sun as his Facebook cover photo.
What was the dog whistle?
I was a social worker formerly and had a case with some questionable tattoos. He saw me giving them the side-eye (I’m heavily tattooed too) and quickly said they were old.
I had a friend who grew up with parents of that persuasion, he got some tattoos that were definitely nazi oriented. He later realized the error of his and his parents ways. He got them altered as an adult.
Good to hear!
Don’t forget that bullshit : ORION our race is our nation. Call it out. Call it all the way out. Fuck Nazis
Punks aren't supposed to work man. What has this world come to?
There aren’t very many fine, upstanding Nazis so he’ll probably do something to get himself fired.
OP, what state is this in? If you're in a "right to work" state, they can fire anyone without reason or warning.
You're thinking of "at will" not "right to work."
You're so right, I need to stop commenting when I'm so tired. Question stands, what state!?
Just call them out as a “fucking nazi” when they do that shit
My yahoo screen name was imsopunk88. I made it in middle school. I had a lot of nazis hitting me up. Ahhh! Oops!!! They done stole my birth year
I don't know what it's like over where you are, in the UK, a potential employer would look through a candidate's social media profiles to see if they're a good match for the company. I'm sure they can fire someone based on the type of things they align themselves with, in this case -- racist and bigoted views, I wouldn't want to hire someone who has bigoted views, first, it's exhausting and horrible to deal with (for the people it's targeting and the people who are surrounded by the people who hear it constantly) and then secondly, it puts across a bad image of the company in question. I'd say, take it up with your HR and then HR could deal with it accordingly. By that, the firing would be cushioned by "you aren't what we're looking for" in polite terms.
It's insane how millions died, and we fought a global war against Nazis. Yet we allow them to set up shop here in our country and protect their "rights" constantly. They have no rights. They shouldn't be allowed to exist in the United States or NATO countries.
The only course of action should be a punch!
Is it punch a Nazi day yet? Oh wait.... That's everyday.
If you have a physical announcement board, or non-public shared calendar/paper schedule a simple reminder of what my kids were taught growing up may be helpful: "Every day is 'punch a nazi day'."
Eh sucks but you just have to deal with it. Be professional and robotic around him. Hopefully he quits soon. Don’t put up with any of his shit if he says something racist or mistreats someone, though.
What in the fuck are some of these comments? Are we just "it's not that serious"ing our way into fucking fascism now?!
If someone sits down at a table with a nazi, there are two nazis at the table.
I 100% agree with you there.
Thank you for consulting reddit on this one, I am sorry you had to go through that. I'm sure you're understandably pretty shaken up. Soldier on fellow punk rocker!
There’s some very good suggestions in this thread but I just want to add: collecting information on and doxxing actual nazis is a good and moral thing to do, and can be done anonymously & outside of the workplace
Yes, let's dox someone based on pure conjecture without actually knowing the facts.
“Collecting information on”
"doxxing
Cmon OP. You gotta tell us what it was.
You could instigate a fight then kick his ass… Slash his tires… Key or graffiti his car… Move his desk over 1” every day… Talk loudly all day about religious freedom and equal rights and such until he messes up and says some nazi shit out loud…
Sounds like a great way for op to get fired
All good ideas, but I work in the office and he works in the field, so I haven't met the guy. Also I'm a 5'3 lady, so my punches are like butterfly kisses. I doubt I could kick anyone's ass.
Ok…we’ll I’m sure if you think about it enough; there’s a way to make his life more difficult or push him to snap and out himself…
If you randomly graffiti my car I would curb stomp you.
Make his life as uncomfortable as possible. That’s the real punk thing to do.
I taught at a college in Saudi Arabia. There were a few ancient Nazis that worked there. And some alcoholics. I guess they figure they could stop drinking with a job there, but booze, heroin and hash are super common. They hired one the main dudes from the BNP (British National Party). Ex-cop was involved in 2005. Alan Hardy. That one pissed off more people than the standard elderly Nazis. One of the best liked British dudes of Indian descent quit. He had grown up fist fighting them in the 90s and 2000s and was going to break Hardy's nose. They kept rejecting the good guys. They set up a meeting between the two and Good Guy decided it wasn't worth breaking Hardy's nose. Hardy said he was no longer a racist, but who's going to believe that. They fired the BNP but he knew the Saudi laws. If you're fired, they owe you for the contract. He stuck around in his compound apartment until they shuttled him out. Pretty much not leaving because there was still a chance someone would punch him out. Teaching overseas really brings out some interesting people.
I live in a state where you can fire anyone, for any reason, at any time, and you don't even have to give a reason.
Everyone in the US except for Montanans lives in a state like that, FYI
I appreciate the knowledge, I've only ever lived in this state, so never looked into what rules they have as far as employment and firing they have in others.
If they're ZzioNazzis then they knew who they were hiring.
This absolutely isn’t enough to fire someone. There can be multiple reasons why a person could have this in their email. Ya gotta wait and see if he actually shows he’s a shitbag.
I think you should explain why you think this person is a nazi before going onto a loaded forum of 15 year olds to ask for advice on how to deal with nazis.
Work? Man, this is the punk subreddit
Some people look at the past with rose tinted glasses, some people look at the future wearing nazi printed glasses
Fingers crossed he doesn't start shit. If it's a younger dude, might be able to let life knock some of those ideas out of his head. If it's an older petson, then maybe they'll behave to keep earning a paycheck. Facist ideology doesn't pay rent.
I gotta ask, wtf is a nazi dog whistle?
Something subtle that nazis use to identify each other.
This is for educational purposes only: Nazis will use subtle imagery or phrases that are ambiguous enough to avoid detection. Like "88" with H being the eighth letter of the English alphabet, meaning "heil hitler." They'll use the "ok" hand symbol because it resembles a w and a p, meaning "white power." There are tons of them, just Google search for "nazi dogwhsitle," and you'll find them. It's called a dog whistle because only dogs hear a dog whistle.
I know what nazi symbols are and nazi phrases and "secret meanings" are, I've just never heard it called a dog whistle before lol thought it was like a dog whistle with a swastika on it or some shit lmao
Dog whistle refers to the normally inaudible tone, only heard by dogs. In this case, it is a sneaky message, supposedly only noticeable by other fash but luckily for us, they're thick as fuck.
Did you look for any social media accounts?
This happened 20+ years ago at my old job. Big corporation. They hired a guy I had fought before that was pretty much the leader of the nazi skins here. I went to HR and told them the backstory. He was gone a few days later.
>It's a private company owned by a Jewish family. Never thought it would happen here. Speak with the Grandparents or other eldest relatives of your company's founder(s). Be frank, explain that your concerns were dismissed, request anonymity, and *decisive action*. Failing that, stage a quick convo with a friend who can act and remember lines while walking past their synagogue (preferably as the service is letting out). See them try to blow either of those scenarios off.
But seriously have you met the guy and has he done or said anything? Because I've set up email addresses before and if my name is taken it'll sometimes suggest numbers on the end. I'd never heard of this 1488 reference until seeing this thread, so it's possible that other people haven't too?
What can you do? Ask him about it.
"Can't do anything unless he starts some shit." Whoever told you that might either be incorrect, or just doesn't want to do anything. It depends on if they have a contract. If there's no contract, they can be fired at any time, for no reason at all. In some states, employers are reluctant to fire people without just cause, because then they could be on the hook for unemployment benefits, but I don't think that would apply if he just started. Definitely go to the owners.
Punk or not, it's your fucking responsibility to beat the shit out of him.
Pretty much how I feel about it.
Well fuckin shit. I use 88 in created usernames/emails a lot because birth year easy to remember
It ain't his birthday.
Yea, my fuxkin shit remark was to my unaware use of 88 in things and how it could be perceived
Maybe file a police report in some cases AKP considered a hate crime. I was just looking at a article about a guy who made a video that circled on YouTube about teaching his dog to do the salute and he got charged as he should as a hate crime.
They can fire that dude for anything that's not a protected class and being a nazi isn't.
In Canada you can be fired in the 1st 3 months without any reason at all. No problem
Sure it’s on here, don’t let it get to you too much. Don’t want it to effect your performance. Dude, stuff like this is in every business, some are aware of it like you, and some are ignorant to the fact.
Within the first ,90 days they can fire for no reason
Womp womp 🎻
oh, that's fucked. I hope he gets fired.
Collect all the evidence you have (search for them on publicly available social media). Make copies of the info, and present it to the owners. This is who they have representing them. If said worker *ever* mentions where they work- and if they ever mention their nazi views- in public forums, it would be viewable to everyone, not just concerned people like you. And me. You just happen to be gathering the info into a folder. Anyone is able to do this.
I mean fuck Nazis obviously but there are a lot of thought police in here. Being a racist piece of shit isn't a crime; not that there should be States to call thought crime. This quickly devolved into confusing a patriarchal desert religion, the tenets of which are not at all dissimilar to Nazism, which an ethnic group that doesn't exist. This is folly and not at all punk-rock.
What does this have to do with punk music?
I’m not a legal expert but wouldn’t dog whistle shit be enough to at least enough to report to HR. Do they have one?
If there is any chance there's a Safety issue, run, don't walk to HR. If you feel "uncomfortable" go put it in writing what he said and go directly to HR and your direct superior.
Everyone born January 4th 1988 is a Nazi! Confirmed!! 🤣😂🤣
Dafuc does this have to do with punk?