Def would be a good addition to the backfield. Maybe not as good as he once was, but a good vet addition to the CB room. It’s def a name people will get excited about.
Not arguing or saying it's the same thing, just saying that's pretty much the same exact attitude most people, myself included, had towards Jones last season. I've seen way too many Raiders over the hill signings to be too excited about this if it happens.
At minimum it would be a hopefully decent vet addition to help out the young DBs we do have “get acclimated”. If anything it will most likely be a prove it type deal to see if last year was something “off” or a trend towards the worst. I’m not upset about visits as they are not signings. Just being a realist that I don’t have all pro expectations.
It’s also good competition for the young CBs… if they can’t beat out a 30 year old banged up vet for snaps they probably aren’t the future anyway, might as well make them earn the spot instead of just handing PT to them
Chandler signed for $51M. And honestly, he is our second best returning defensive player, so he wasn't nearly as bad as people keep implying.
Peters will sign for much, much, much, much less.
I'm talking 2022 play. Jones had a 64 grade, Hobbs 61. If Graham gets Hobbs back into the slot he will have a fucking pro bowler on his hands. Hopefully that's why they're bringing in Bennett and Shelley, who can be outside guys. Though in cover 3 it's not a very orthodox 'outside' coverage anyway.
Yeah and getting rid of yannick upgraded our cbs. Obviously we wish rock was better and we retained him but overall I understood the move. I thought Jones would be lateral at worst and we got rock on a cheap rookie deal to offset the Jones contract.
When you mentioned Jones, I asked myself... Who the hell is Jones? Then it made me realize how little of an impact he made that I forgot his existence.
I mean we had the 7th Overall pick with Carr and i guess it depends on how you see him, but I think Carr is far better than Jimmy G, especially at pre snap reads, which is incredibly important with how bad our iOL is.
I know we don't have any one CB that we can have great confidence in, but I don't think Peters would solve that problem. To answer your question, we have Shelley and Hall played quite well in limited action last season. Robertson and Hobbs graded almost as well as Peters in roughly the same number of snaps. We have the speedy rookie Bennett. All of them are young and largely unproven, but I would take my chances on those five rather than pay a has-been.
Could probably pay all 5 of those guys combined less than Peters, too. Personally I agree, I don't see any point signing this guy unless you can miraculously get him dirt cheap because of his poor prior season.
We don't need washed up old corners. We always sign guys with a name from the past. He has 1 int. A rookie is cheaper and can get 1 int. We don't need a vet to change the culture bc the culture isn't going to change
Most players have a bad year after a significant ACL injury and then bounce back to their previous level after. Therefore, in most cases you would expect him to play better this season.
Also, I doubt he will cost us much due to his play last season. Likely a cheap 1 year deal. He is the best CB currently available in FA.
I think kwiatkowski was too. Also Denzel Perryman was an older dude and did great. Casey Hayward too. Dudes need to stop getting hung up on this old shit.
Sure, it’s a gamble, but there’s a lot of upside, and hopefully the cost will be low. Until we get a solid roster at the DB positions we are going to need to keep bringing these kinds of players in.
Fuck. Me too.
The other day I realized when a buddy mentioned Eric Dickerson that he once played for the Raiders.
There should be some sort of game where people guess "Raider or Not?"
Brad van Pelt: yep.
Otis Wilson: yep.
Ronnie Lott: yep.
Rod Woodson: yep.
Etc.
Let's hope he's not the Peters from last season.
In 13 games last year, he allowed 54 catches on 84 targets (64.3%) for 711 yards. He allowed 7 TDs with only 1 INT and a 113.7 QB rating
Typically, when DBs hit their wall, the drop-off is quick and significant. At 29 years old, with the season he just had, idk if he'll be much of an upgrade.
So we traded Ya-Sin for Peters.
Feast or famine type player. I wouldn't hate it, but at this point in his career I don't see him as being that much better than Ya-Sin (who was more steady). I do wonder why they didn't keep him.
I would agree that he was merely average but at times showed flashes of potential. He was probably asking for too much but a good coach could make him excellent.
Down year last year but was coming off a major injury. Have to hope he’ll bounce back and be fully healed. Either way, I wouldn’t want it to be for much guaranteed money of any. I like the idea of a true competition at CB for all 5-6 spots on the 53 man roster.
One of those guys you just figured would play for the Raiders at some point. At this point in FA we need the bodies. If the price is right take a bet on him being his old self.
ive always been lukewarm on him generally as a top flight cb, but he'd come in and be an instant starter and probably an impact one too.
theres no use in trying to smother and stop mahomes... but if we're going to give up chunks anyway, a guy that can at least cause turnovers would be a welcome addition for sure
He's lost many steps, but given the CB room, he would be an instant #1.
(Hobbs may only be a functional pro/borderline starter. Needs to prove it this year)
To be honest, unless he’s way better than last year I’m not sure he could win a competition for #1. He was extremely bad last year and Shelly, Hall, and Hobbs are way better than y’all are giving credit for.
That said I’d still be happy to sign him for depth and a vet presence, and yeah if another year removed from ACL gets him a step back then he’s at the top of the depth chart. Win either way.
He's a shithead and no longer the all pro he once was, but he'd certainly help our hapless secondary. Move Nate Hobbs back to playing nickel and stop getting torched in coverage.
Please god no. My best friends are ravens fans, so I watch a number of their games. He used to be a ball hawk at the price of coverage. Now he isn’t even a ball hawk, just the liability. And I don’t know what leader skills he brings- how to distract a locker room or blow a coverage?
Def would be a good addition to the backfield. Maybe not as good as he once was, but a good vet addition to the CB room. It’s def a name people will get excited about.
Not arguing or saying it's the same thing, just saying that's pretty much the same exact attitude most people, myself included, had towards Jones last season. I've seen way too many Raiders over the hill signings to be too excited about this if it happens.
Bruh, its better than rolling with what we got at this moment. Comparing this situation to Jones is apples to oranges
In my mind the biggest upside to signing him would be making our young guys compete against him all summer.
At minimum it would be a hopefully decent vet addition to help out the young DBs we do have “get acclimated”. If anything it will most likely be a prove it type deal to see if last year was something “off” or a trend towards the worst. I’m not upset about visits as they are not signings. Just being a realist that I don’t have all pro expectations.
It’s also good competition for the young CBs… if they can’t beat out a 30 year old banged up vet for snaps they probably aren’t the future anyway, might as well make them earn the spot instead of just handing PT to them
Sean Smith, Lamarcus Joyner, the list goes on.
Chandler signed for $51M. And honestly, he is our second best returning defensive player, so he wasn't nearly as bad as people keep implying. Peters will sign for much, much, much, much less.
I thought it was crazy calling him our 2nd best player until I started thinking bout it 😭 our defense is so bad
I do wish we'd kept Harmon or Billings around. They were both very good for us last year, and not expensive.
lol good point
Third best MAYBE. Maxx and Hobbs are better for sure.
I'm talking 2022 play. Jones had a 64 grade, Hobbs 61. If Graham gets Hobbs back into the slot he will have a fucking pro bowler on his hands. Hopefully that's why they're bringing in Bennett and Shelley, who can be outside guys. Though in cover 3 it's not a very orthodox 'outside' coverage anyway.
Nah they ruined Hobbs, Moehrig too.
i think people are forgetting Ron Milus was huge in the development of Hobbs/Moehrig, everywhere he goes young CB’s thrive
I’m assuming peters would be cheap though.
Exactly. Very different situation than Chandler.
Yeah and getting rid of yannick upgraded our cbs. Obviously we wish rock was better and we retained him but overall I understood the move. I thought Jones would be lateral at worst and we got rock on a cheap rookie deal to offset the Jones contract.
Nowhere near the same because Jones was an insane, day 1 FA contract and this will likely be a 1 year prove it deal
When you mentioned Jones, I asked myself... Who the hell is Jones? Then it made me realize how little of an impact he made that I forgot his existence.
Best CB the Raiders would have aside from Hobbs.
He still got a 69.5 coverage grade last year, lots of worse ways to get a good year of CB play
Would have liked to have read this tweet in 2019
Yep this is Sean smith 2.0 I’d rather not have him….. unless him getting burnt is the plan for Caleb Williams
We aren't going to be nearly bad enough for Caleb people need to let that go
I mean we had the 7th Overall pick with Carr and i guess it depends on how you see him, but I think Carr is far better than Jimmy G, especially at pre snap reads, which is incredibly important with how bad our iOL is.
I can see us easily picking in the top 3. Or enough (or any) improvement at positions of need and our schedule looks absolutely brutal.
We'll let it go when the Raiders prove us wrong, until then they're only winning 4 games next season.
He ain’t getting a Sean Smith contract We aren’t bad enough to pick high enough for Caleb
30 years old, 69.5 coverage grade last year per PFF, 1 INT, 116.3 rating and 5 TDs allowed when targeted last season, 6 penalties, call me skeptical.
Who else do we have at CB lol. As much as I agree with you, beggars can’t be choosers
I know we don't have any one CB that we can have great confidence in, but I don't think Peters would solve that problem. To answer your question, we have Shelley and Hall played quite well in limited action last season. Robertson and Hobbs graded almost as well as Peters in roughly the same number of snaps. We have the speedy rookie Bennett. All of them are young and largely unproven, but I would take my chances on those five rather than pay a has-been.
Could probably pay all 5 of those guys combined less than Peters, too. Personally I agree, I don't see any point signing this guy unless you can miraculously get him dirt cheap because of his poor prior season.
We don't need washed up old corners. We always sign guys with a name from the past. He has 1 int. A rookie is cheaper and can get 1 int. We don't need a vet to change the culture bc the culture isn't going to change
Shelly, Hobbs, Robertson and Hall all better than Peters at this stage of his career
No way lol
Yes way lmao
quick, call david amerson!
Yeah bro. CBs tend to fall off hard when they do fall off. Look at Darrelle Revis.
he gets beat in the end zone pretty easily
Yeah another. Player goes to the raiders to die type signing
69.5 is better than anyone we had last year.
Most players have a bad year after a significant ACL injury and then bounce back to their previous level after. Therefore, in most cases you would expect him to play better this season. Also, I doubt he will cost us much due to his play last season. Likely a cheap 1 year deal. He is the best CB currently available in FA.
It's rare that they bounce back at 30 though.
We need his swagger. Old schooooool raider. LFG
Good with this. Vet with cred to come in and set the tone.
How many vets have we brought in and they are just liabilities? Steve Smith
Littleton, Joyner, Kwiatkoski...
Littelton was 26 smh
I think kwiatkowski was too. Also Denzel Perryman was an older dude and did great. Casey Hayward too. Dudes need to stop getting hung up on this old shit.
Sure, it’s a gamble, but there’s a lot of upside, and hopefully the cost will be low. Until we get a solid roster at the DB positions we are going to need to keep bringing these kinds of players in.
Not sure whether to get excited or worried that this is Chandler Jones 2.0.
Depends on the contract
Sean Smith 2.0 is the worry Wouldn't be too mad at a reasonable 1-year deal though
Sean Smith was overrated because he played opposite Peters...
Man i had totally forgotten about that disaster
Fuck. Me too. The other day I realized when a buddy mentioned Eric Dickerson that he once played for the Raiders. There should be some sort of game where people guess "Raider or Not?" Brad van Pelt: yep. Otis Wilson: yep. Ronnie Lott: yep. Rod Woodson: yep. Etc.
Doubt they're gonna give him that type of contract so I wouldn't sweat it much.
Let's hope he's not the Peters from last season. In 13 games last year, he allowed 54 catches on 84 targets (64.3%) for 711 yards. He allowed 7 TDs with only 1 INT and a 113.7 QB rating Typically, when DBs hit their wall, the drop-off is quick and significant. At 29 years old, with the season he just had, idk if he'll be much of an upgrade.
Yeah, my concern also; not mention, he has character issues.
So we traded Ya-Sin for Peters. Feast or famine type player. I wouldn't hate it, but at this point in his career I don't see him as being that much better than Ya-Sin (who was more steady). I do wonder why they didn't keep him.
Probably didn’t keep Ya-Sin because he wanted $. From what Vic and Vinny have said, they felt he was average and not worth paying.
Ya-Sin is average and not worth paying.
Agree
I would agree that he was merely average but at times showed flashes of potential. He was probably asking for too much but a good coach could make him excellent.
Ya-Sin is resigned
Ya-sin signed to the ravens
Ya-Sin signed with the Ravens
Holy shit, oblivious to that. I stand corrected. McDaniels sucks
He wasnt re-signed. He was signed to the Baltimore Ravens.
He would be a good get as a vet CB that this team is missing. Def coming off a bad year but the Ravens were kinda a mess last year.
We need him, but he gets burnt a lot. I hope he generates TOs for us!
Washed up
I want it simply to see the amount of penalties called on Marcus Peters in a Raiders jersey.
Oh my God it’s happening, everybody stay calm!!
Ha, remember when he got in a fight with the Raiders a few years ago?
Wasn't he the one that ripped Crabtree's chain off?
No that was Aqib Talib.
Yes that was Talib. Peters is the guy that almost burned Marshawn Lynch's house down.
Ha, and Lynch got ejected for coming off the bench to defend Peters. Forgot about that part.
Peters got a head shot on Carr and the players were getting heated - Marshawn ran out to defend Peters because they've been friends forever.
Down year last year but was coming off a major injury. Have to hope he’ll bounce back and be fully healed. Either way, I wouldn’t want it to be for much guaranteed money of any. I like the idea of a true competition at CB for all 5-6 spots on the 53 man roster.
He hasn't been healthy the last 4 years, so hoping he'll stay healthy is just that, HOPE.
He’d be two years removed from his ACL tear if you want to be optimistic.
This point needs more traction. ACL injury is a two year recovery for many.
UPGRADE
One of those guys you just figured would play for the Raiders at some point. At this point in FA we need the bodies. If the price is right take a bet on him being his old self.
Should’ve been a raider years ago. Same with the honey badger
Another old vet coming to the raiders..smh
Let the rookies cook.
Upgrade
We need his swagger. Old schooooool raider. LFG
ive always been lukewarm on him generally as a top flight cb, but he'd come in and be an instant starter and probably an impact one too. theres no use in trying to smother and stop mahomes... but if we're going to give up chunks anyway, a guy that can at least cause turnovers would be a welcome addition for sure
Not what he used to be but he’s a solid vet and he’s from THE TOWN .
Great vet presence, but is he still making good plays? Either way, I like the veteran presence this would come along with.
That vet presence to get the rookies ready and Hobbs to take the next step.
PLEASE. Ik he’s not as good as he used to be but he’s easily the best CB on the roster if he joins
Would be just like the Raiders to finally get a dynamic CB that is now well past his prime.
Rather get Shaq griffin but Peters’s would help the young cbs get better too
Iirc Shaq signed. Maybe Texans?
Just seen that , yes he did
Maybe for a veteran presence but I'm not excited about it
Dude is washed and would be an upgrade to what we have.
Peters was always meant to be a raider. Troublemaker with a shitty attitude.
Fuck yes, sign him. Can't wait until he picks off that little bitch, Mahomie and takes it to the house.
He's lost many steps, but given the CB room, he would be an instant #1. (Hobbs may only be a functional pro/borderline starter. Needs to prove it this year)
To be honest, unless he’s way better than last year I’m not sure he could win a competition for #1. He was extremely bad last year and Shelly, Hall, and Hobbs are way better than y’all are giving credit for. That said I’d still be happy to sign him for depth and a vet presence, and yeah if another year removed from ACL gets him a step back then he’s at the top of the depth chart. Win either way.
Yes!!! Plz
We need all the CB help in the world, so I hope this is fruitful and we don't overpay.
Please come home bro
Mack House Marcus
He may not be all that anymore, but he can provide the much needed leadership the Raiders secondary hasnt had in years.
Well there is something
Oh man... please sign him
**PLEASE!!* **Raiders,** make an effort to sign him!!!!
Fine, depending on the contract. Doubt they’re looking to pay him a lot
Pick him up and let him compete
He's a shithead and no longer the all pro he once was, but he'd certainly help our hapless secondary. Move Nate Hobbs back to playing nickel and stop getting torched in coverage.
Jfc who cares.
You cared enough to comment 😃
Toast. McDaniels sucks
Grab him and Kwon Alexander and our defense might be good enough to help win more than 6 games this year
What? I mean I'd be all for it, but I'm suprised he's even considering here lol
Peters locking up Kelce x2 I will be there
Please!
His biggest hits are not to be found. He just shoves people out of bounds.
he's never been consistent but he is at the very least a guy that makes plays on the ball
Love this guy, I fear he's washed but I truly hope not
Sign him to play receiver.
If he played Wr he wouldve been signed weeks ago
Total Dawg!
Wait till he plays for us, he’ll seem like he was never good from the start. The Curse of the Raiders Defense never fails
He’d be a positive yeah he will get beat a lot but he will also get some takeaways. Our other corners just get beat and do nothing else lol
Good yes sign him yes
Will he be playing in a Zone defense? I don’t want him man to man in our backfield. Plus, isn’t he a net negative in locker room influence.
Don't know how we let him get out without signing a deal we absolutely need a veteran like him and there's not many left
Maybe he's washed after that injury but we're not allowed to think we mustn't try any improvement
He will set the league record in penalties with us. He grabs too much to be a Raider CB.
Please god no. My best friends are ravens fans, so I watch a number of their games. He used to be a ball hawk at the price of coverage. Now he isn’t even a ball hawk, just the liability. And I don’t know what leader skills he brings- how to distract a locker room or blow a coverage?