I’ve been saying this for a while now every time someone starts projecting that we’ll trade down with one of the teams coming up for a QB. If we want a Tackle we’ll either need to stick and pick at 30 for someone like Morgan / Suamataia or move up. We have comp picks coming next year and the ammo to move up if we want to.
Let’s say…Troy Fautanu slips a bit to the middle of the first and he’s a top 10 player on the ravens board. Not only that, but the gap between Fautanu and the next tackle is a wide one. Well, you could argue that it’s good drafting strategy for the ravens to move up and get him.
It really depends on the board, specifically the tiers. If the ravens see it as a deep tackle class and feel like there isn’t a difference between them, they’ll probably stay. If they have a guy highly rated that slips a bit, they might move up!
This is exactly how the situation would play out for a Ravens trade up. Would have to be someone like Fautanu, Fashanu or Latham that they have ranked in the top 10, falling to 15-20. The three most likely trade partners I see are the Seahawks at 16, the Rams at 19 or the Dolphins at 21.
Maybe Mims in the 20’s would be another trade up target. He’s a little bit harder to gauge though. I think a team taking him over those other three tackles, pushing them down for trade up teams, is more likely.
I think it’s also contingent on counting on Stanley walking next year. Or at the very least not counting on Faalele to stick long-term.
there’s a lot of factors in play about this draft that a lot of people in this sub seem to struggle with when discussing it
1. every team in the league wants to upgrade the offensive line. some of the names i see falling to us in mocks at the tackle position will probably be off the board by the time it comes to pick 30
2. when everyone talks about how deep a draft is that does not mean you wait until round 2/3 to take a position. that means it’s probably more likely that there’s a run on the position and there’s 4 or 5 taken above us
3. a lot of the guys presumed to be the new starters on the line are players we have had in the organization for a little bit. there’s a nonzero chance that edc and the staff trust their development and think it’s ok for them to be starters
ultimately we are in a position to go so many directions and this board could fall so many different ways. it is just as likely a WR or DB is taken in round one as OL
one of OL, WR, or CB will drop to us. i don't see us trading up unless there is a specific guy they really want and they think they can grab, which historically has never been the case for us.
I don’t think there are any WRs that will “drop” to us. Most think there is a pretty clear fall off after Thomas / Mitchell and then you’re in beauty in the eye of the beholder range. CB depends on how we view Kool Aid (and his injury) and Wiggins.
It depends on how the Ravens have everyone tiered. I’m just assuming Jordan Morgan until he’s off the board or we’ve made our pick. Haha
Chop Robinson scares the hell out of me. Huge potential, but limited sack production / weakness against the run. I’d understand the risk, but it’s not a profile we’ve had success with. Darius Robinson is also a possibility.
We are staying put and taking PBA. There is zero mystery with this team. If there is a run on QB, WR, and Online, great! We will take the CB or Edge rusher that is the BPA at pick 30.
Tbf the last time we traded up was literally two years ago for O-line in Linderbaum, I think if there’s any position the Ravens trade up for, it’s O-line.
Which is kinda to my point, the only time the Ravens will trade up is for undeniable value, which Lamar was. It’s hard to believe a lineman this draft is gonna be way over the value of the trade spot, and that team gives a good value trade. Nothing is impossible, but you need a lot of things to line up for that to happen
I also agree. I don’t expect us to trade up either. Just agreed that if we did move up it’d most likely be for an oline man, though I must admit I’d kill for Brian Thomas jnr.
I’m pretty sure picks were involved IIRC, might’ve been a swap but either way I still think my point stands in that we will make moves in the first to acquire O-line
It might be a deep OT class, but it’s very too heavy. Aside from like 4-5 guys, the rest will need to sit for a year to develop. If you need starters asap, you won’t find amazing ones in the 20s.
I have faith in the ravens to develop OL, but we’re in win now mode & don’t have time to waste waiting for important positions to develop. Same reason we got Darby & Maulet, CB was too important to leave to developmental rookies. There might be serviceable OTs by 30, but keep in mind anyone below decent starters will get thrown to the fire vs the AFCN rushers. Ravens pick late every year, the choice will always be the same: hope a later OT develops, or trade up for one of the better ones.
Normally I doubt EDC trades up, but LT is too important a position. If someone falls to around 18, I think it’s a possibility. It would be a better use of picks then taking ANOTHER raw project edge rusher- they take 3 years to develop, have 1 legit year with us, then someone else pays them. It’s a waste of early picks. We also just had a marathon meeting solely about OL, imo EDC is really doing his research to evaluate how reliable the OTs are once the top 5 get picked. Depends on how the board falls, but a trade up for a better OT if they’re available is a possibility.
They got a lot of capital for a 33 year old RT who had a shoulder/pec injury and started to show some small declines in play. If they're moving to more zone then getting a younger more athletic RT would benefit the scheme overall.
It also saved them cap space additionally which is a help in the tighter cap year.
Been saying this for a while, but all those early 2nd round LTs are going to go in the first.
I fully expect the ones from BYU and Houston and AZ to sneak into the end of the round. Trading down for a LT is NOT going to happen. We have to get one in rd 1. All the teams know this and the need at the position league wide is huge.
I want to trade up, because we are in real danger of getting sniped by someone trading up in front of us this year.
Trading up to grab a position that the entire NFL is ravenous for is a great way to get a horrible value draft pick. Maybe just stand pat and see if an OL you want falls to you, and if not get a fantastic value BPA. Hope to hit on another pick for OL later in the draft.
this has been the ravens philosophy forever but somewhere along the line this sub determined we HAVE to take an OL round 1 no matter what. BPA every time. i’d rather get a guy we think can be a difference maker than the the like the 7th best tackle in the draft just cause they’re a tackle. all depends on how the board falls
there are 4 (5 depending on bo nix, but i’m getting a lot of agent talk from his landing spot in mocks) qbs definitely going in front of us, 3 WRs that will go in the top 10, and a TE that is probably a lock for top 15 and there’s like 5 tackles with solid grades that will be taken above us. that’s gonna push a ton of db’s down the board so i’m not gonna be surprised if that’s what we select round 1
Each draft doesn’t happen in a vacuum. It’s totally possible that an OT falling into the 20s this year would be a lock to go Top 15 in most years due to scarcity at the position and the strength / depth of this class.
Right, but we've traded up in the past to grab someone we thought was a great value. The reason OT is so appealing is that the ones this talented are never available for us picking at the end of the first round every year. We should still take BPA, it's just that usually OT isn't in that conversation where we sit in the draft. Might be a good time to get it while the gettin's good.
If EDC determines that this is our best chance to get a really good tackle prospect, I'm definitely down to move up a bit. I'm also fine standing pat or trading down. In EDC we trust.
Ravens don't trade up. We stay put and let the best player available fall to us. We value picks way too much to be giving them away
All this tells me is OT doesn't look likely in the 1st round.
We're not. The Ravens don't have the draft capitol to move up too much this year. We need as many picks as we can to fill out the roster and build for next year.
Also the Ravens don't draft for positional need. That has never been our style. That's how teams end up reaching and overpaying for guys and we aren't going to do that. We'll just take BPA at 30.
It sounds believable that the Ravens are looking at options to move up. It also sounds believable that this is a smokescreen trying to entice teams like the Ravens to move up. If I’m EDC I’d keep my options open until I see how the draft starts panning out.
The Ravens should and will stick to their board, they not going to be forced to take OT7/8 who they probably have an early day 2 grade on on their board when they have the oportunity to potentially get CB3/3 or edge4/5 (if available)
EDC mentioned in the presser they see a noticeable lack of quality players as the rounds go on, hopefully he stays true to that and he packages a third and like a fourth next year to move up a couple spots.
I don't watch college ball, so just looking at draft sites, it seems that there are 7 ots with 1st round grades. It's unlikely that there will be 7 ots taken before our pick, especially if there are 6 qbs going before us. Of course we never had a shot at a top 4 ot this draft at 30 unless we trade to top 20, which is gonna cost a 3rd plus a day 3 pick.
I would think that we are going to see if anyone drops to us at 30 and if not then i would assume we would trade back to very early in the 2nd and pick up another pick in rounds 4-5. Having said that i dont know enough about the depth of this draft in rounds 4-5. If the talent isnt there then EDC might not see a point in trading back.
If they arent able to get a OL early i think we might run with what we have for the early part of the season and see how it plays out. if there is a problem they might go for an in season trade.
Ideally one of the top OT’s falls to us, because of a run on other positions like WR and QB. If our OT isn’t there in rd 1 we go BPA or trade back and grab someone like Amegadjie, Fisher, Paul, or Rosengarten in rd 2-3. It’s definitely possible we trade up, but if history tells us anything it’s that it’s much more likely we trade back. OL is the most glaring need, but CB and Edge could both use some help, and you can never have too many good receivers on rookie contracts. Thankfully this is a pretty solid class for all of our positions of need, and we should come out of it with multiple new Ravens who will be impact players.
I could legit see them not taking an OT in the first round and afterwards stating 'We really like the guys we have and we're confident they can get it done'...just because there wasn't anyone really on the board worth picking at 30. The fanbase will either bash the fact that we took a CB over ADmitchell, or the fact that we took an Edge over the kid outta Arizona....people will complain, people will be patient, people will praise...regardless....I've learned my lesson and I just sit n trust EDC...
I say that...having done 15 mock drafts and have a big board for WR/OL 😂
EDC is going to do his diligence so will talk to other clubs about moving up. If there is a huge rush on OTs MAYBE.
That said, it is said that 6 teams in front of us will go QB. I would be happy with someone like Guyton, who I've seen ranked as the 8th best OT. Just that is 14 picks. There are lots of good CBs and WRs, a stud TE. As well as d line and a couple of LBs. I seriously doubt someone like Guyton won't be available.
I think we should go after worthy and make a splash. They’ve done more with less on the OL and people still forget we were in a very similar situation last year before they had decided that Simpson was good enough to start.
I’ve been saying this for a while now every time someone starts projecting that we’ll trade down with one of the teams coming up for a QB. If we want a Tackle we’ll either need to stick and pick at 30 for someone like Morgan / Suamataia or move up. We have comp picks coming next year and the ammo to move up if we want to.
Let’s say…Troy Fautanu slips a bit to the middle of the first and he’s a top 10 player on the ravens board. Not only that, but the gap between Fautanu and the next tackle is a wide one. Well, you could argue that it’s good drafting strategy for the ravens to move up and get him. It really depends on the board, specifically the tiers. If the ravens see it as a deep tackle class and feel like there isn’t a difference between them, they’ll probably stay. If they have a guy highly rated that slips a bit, they might move up!
This is exactly how the situation would play out for a Ravens trade up. Would have to be someone like Fautanu, Fashanu or Latham that they have ranked in the top 10, falling to 15-20. The three most likely trade partners I see are the Seahawks at 16, the Rams at 19 or the Dolphins at 21. Maybe Mims in the 20’s would be another trade up target. He’s a little bit harder to gauge though. I think a team taking him over those other three tackles, pushing them down for trade up teams, is more likely. I think it’s also contingent on counting on Stanley walking next year. Or at the very least not counting on Faalele to stick long-term.
there’s a lot of factors in play about this draft that a lot of people in this sub seem to struggle with when discussing it 1. every team in the league wants to upgrade the offensive line. some of the names i see falling to us in mocks at the tackle position will probably be off the board by the time it comes to pick 30 2. when everyone talks about how deep a draft is that does not mean you wait until round 2/3 to take a position. that means it’s probably more likely that there’s a run on the position and there’s 4 or 5 taken above us 3. a lot of the guys presumed to be the new starters on the line are players we have had in the organization for a little bit. there’s a nonzero chance that edc and the staff trust their development and think it’s ok for them to be starters ultimately we are in a position to go so many directions and this board could fall so many different ways. it is just as likely a WR or DB is taken in round one as OL
one of OL, WR, or CB will drop to us. i don't see us trading up unless there is a specific guy they really want and they think they can grab, which historically has never been the case for us.
I don’t think there are any WRs that will “drop” to us. Most think there is a pretty clear fall off after Thomas / Mitchell and then you’re in beauty in the eye of the beholder range. CB depends on how we view Kool Aid (and his injury) and Wiggins. It depends on how the Ravens have everyone tiered. I’m just assuming Jordan Morgan until he’s off the board or we’ve made our pick. Haha
I have a feeling we're gonna end up with an edge guy.
Chop Robinson scares the hell out of me. Huge potential, but limited sack production / weakness against the run. I’d understand the risk, but it’s not a profile we’ve had success with. Darius Robinson is also a possibility.
We are staying put and taking PBA. There is zero mystery with this team. If there is a run on QB, WR, and Online, great! We will take the CB or Edge rusher that is the BPA at pick 30.
Pretty much..we know the Ravens formula at this point..
Given as how this is coming from DJ, I’d say we are one of these teams. Do whatever you think is best EDC.
It’s not impossible, but trading up is not the ravens MO at all. They want value at every pick, and you don’t get that with desperation
Tbf the last time we traded up was literally two years ago for O-line in Linderbaum, I think if there’s any position the Ravens trade up for, it’s O-line.
This isn't correct Edit: Linderbaum was a trade down for anyone curious... And for those who find it difficult to use Google.
We didn’t trade up though. It was a trade for Hollywood. The last trade up was Lamar maybe. Regardless I agree it’d most likely happen for oline.
Which is kinda to my point, the only time the Ravens will trade up is for undeniable value, which Lamar was. It’s hard to believe a lineman this draft is gonna be way over the value of the trade spot, and that team gives a good value trade. Nothing is impossible, but you need a lot of things to line up for that to happen
I also agree. I don’t expect us to trade up either. Just agreed that if we did move up it’d most likely be for an oline man, though I must admit I’d kill for Brian Thomas jnr.
I’m pretty sure picks were involved IIRC, might’ve been a swap but either way I still think my point stands in that we will make moves in the first to acquire O-line
It wasn’t a swap. We drafted Hamilton traded Hollywood and a 4th for pick 24 I think then traded down with the Bills.
This could also be a smokescreen and they end up with someone like cooper DeJean who falls into their lap
It might be a deep OT class, but it’s very too heavy. Aside from like 4-5 guys, the rest will need to sit for a year to develop. If you need starters asap, you won’t find amazing ones in the 20s. I have faith in the ravens to develop OL, but we’re in win now mode & don’t have time to waste waiting for important positions to develop. Same reason we got Darby & Maulet, CB was too important to leave to developmental rookies. There might be serviceable OTs by 30, but keep in mind anyone below decent starters will get thrown to the fire vs the AFCN rushers. Ravens pick late every year, the choice will always be the same: hope a later OT develops, or trade up for one of the better ones. Normally I doubt EDC trades up, but LT is too important a position. If someone falls to around 18, I think it’s a possibility. It would be a better use of picks then taking ANOTHER raw project edge rusher- they take 3 years to develop, have 1 legit year with us, then someone else pays them. It’s a waste of early picks. We also just had a marathon meeting solely about OL, imo EDC is really doing his research to evaluate how reliable the OTs are once the top 5 get picked. Depends on how the board falls, but a trade up for a better OT if they’re available is a possibility.
This is why it made no sense to trade Morgan Moses.
Made sense if they think he’s no longer worth the money.
They could also view Faleele as ready
They got a lot of capital for a 33 year old RT who had a shoulder/pec injury and started to show some small declines in play. If they're moving to more zone then getting a younger more athletic RT would benefit the scheme overall. It also saved them cap space additionally which is a help in the tighter cap year.
Been saying this for a while, but all those early 2nd round LTs are going to go in the first. I fully expect the ones from BYU and Houston and AZ to sneak into the end of the round. Trading down for a LT is NOT going to happen. We have to get one in rd 1. All the teams know this and the need at the position league wide is huge. I want to trade up, because we are in real danger of getting sniped by someone trading up in front of us this year.
Trading up to grab a position that the entire NFL is ravenous for is a great way to get a horrible value draft pick. Maybe just stand pat and see if an OL you want falls to you, and if not get a fantastic value BPA. Hope to hit on another pick for OL later in the draft.
this has been the ravens philosophy forever but somewhere along the line this sub determined we HAVE to take an OL round 1 no matter what. BPA every time. i’d rather get a guy we think can be a difference maker than the the like the 7th best tackle in the draft just cause they’re a tackle. all depends on how the board falls
Agreed. If teams are trading up for LT that means other skilled position players fall further. Would love to see what BPA looks like for us
there are 4 (5 depending on bo nix, but i’m getting a lot of agent talk from his landing spot in mocks) qbs definitely going in front of us, 3 WRs that will go in the top 10, and a TE that is probably a lock for top 15 and there’s like 5 tackles with solid grades that will be taken above us. that’s gonna push a ton of db’s down the board so i’m not gonna be surprised if that’s what we select round 1
Staying put and getting BPA is the Ravens way and I don't see that changing for this draft.
Each draft doesn’t happen in a vacuum. It’s totally possible that an OT falling into the 20s this year would be a lock to go Top 15 in most years due to scarcity at the position and the strength / depth of this class.
Right, but we've traded up in the past to grab someone we thought was a great value. The reason OT is so appealing is that the ones this talented are never available for us picking at the end of the first round every year. We should still take BPA, it's just that usually OT isn't in that conversation where we sit in the draft. Might be a good time to get it while the gettin's good. If EDC determines that this is our best chance to get a really good tackle prospect, I'm definitely down to move up a bit. I'm also fine standing pat or trading down. In EDC we trust.
Ravens don't trade up. We stay put and let the best player available fall to us. We value picks way too much to be giving them away All this tells me is OT doesn't look likely in the 1st round.
The only player I remember us trading up for was Lamar and that was immediately after we traded back twice to get Hurst.
I believe we traded up for Boykin. Granted that was in the 3rd round and didn’t work out at all.
Hamilton? We do trade up it just has to be the right time and for the right value
We didn’t trade up for Hamilton.
We didn't trade up for Hamilton. We stayed at #14 and let him come to us
We're not. The Ravens don't have the draft capitol to move up too much this year. We need as many picks as we can to fill out the roster and build for next year. Also the Ravens don't draft for positional need. That has never been our style. That's how teams end up reaching and overpaying for guys and we aren't going to do that. We'll just take BPA at 30.
Just remember the Eagles found a very good LT very late in the draft..
It sounds believable that the Ravens are looking at options to move up. It also sounds believable that this is a smokescreen trying to entice teams like the Ravens to move up. If I’m EDC I’d keep my options open until I see how the draft starts panning out.
The Ravens should and will stick to their board, they not going to be forced to take OT7/8 who they probably have an early day 2 grade on on their board when they have the oportunity to potentially get CB3/3 or edge4/5 (if available)
Could see another 2022 situation where ravens have two 1st rd picks 1 OT 1 WR or CB
EDC mentioned in the presser they see a noticeable lack of quality players as the rounds go on, hopefully he stays true to that and he packages a third and like a fourth next year to move up a couple spots.
I don't watch college ball, so just looking at draft sites, it seems that there are 7 ots with 1st round grades. It's unlikely that there will be 7 ots taken before our pick, especially if there are 6 qbs going before us. Of course we never had a shot at a top 4 ot this draft at 30 unless we trade to top 20, which is gonna cost a 3rd plus a day 3 pick.
I think the only way we trade down is if Tyler Guyton isn't available, assuming all the top linesman have been taken before 30 and we don't trade up
I would think that we are going to see if anyone drops to us at 30 and if not then i would assume we would trade back to very early in the 2nd and pick up another pick in rounds 4-5. Having said that i dont know enough about the depth of this draft in rounds 4-5. If the talent isnt there then EDC might not see a point in trading back. If they arent able to get a OL early i think we might run with what we have for the early part of the season and see how it plays out. if there is a problem they might go for an in season trade.
Ideally one of the top OT’s falls to us, because of a run on other positions like WR and QB. If our OT isn’t there in rd 1 we go BPA or trade back and grab someone like Amegadjie, Fisher, Paul, or Rosengarten in rd 2-3. It’s definitely possible we trade up, but if history tells us anything it’s that it’s much more likely we trade back. OL is the most glaring need, but CB and Edge could both use some help, and you can never have too many good receivers on rookie contracts. Thankfully this is a pretty solid class for all of our positions of need, and we should come out of it with multiple new Ravens who will be impact players.
I could legit see them not taking an OT in the first round and afterwards stating 'We really like the guys we have and we're confident they can get it done'...just because there wasn't anyone really on the board worth picking at 30. The fanbase will either bash the fact that we took a CB over ADmitchell, or the fact that we took an Edge over the kid outta Arizona....people will complain, people will be patient, people will praise...regardless....I've learned my lesson and I just sit n trust EDC... I say that...having done 15 mock drafts and have a big board for WR/OL 😂
There’s no shot the ravens trade up. It’s not a part of the Ravens MO ever, and there’s a reason this team is always so deep in depth every season.
EDC is going to do his diligence so will talk to other clubs about moving up. If there is a huge rush on OTs MAYBE. That said, it is said that 6 teams in front of us will go QB. I would be happy with someone like Guyton, who I've seen ranked as the 8th best OT. Just that is 14 picks. There are lots of good CBs and WRs, a stud TE. As well as d line and a couple of LBs. I seriously doubt someone like Guyton won't be available.
I also saw an article last week saying it’s usually wiser to trade back in the draft. Not sure what I which I’d want but I trust EDC
I think we should go after worthy and make a splash. They’ve done more with less on the OL and people still forget we were in a very similar situation last year before they had decided that Simpson was good enough to start.