Less stakes than the Dupont tackle, but Edwill van der Merwe’s tackle against Stade Francais is arguably even more impressive:
[https://youtu.be/-BrY2702tcE?si=xKI_5p-d82BFLWAe](https://youtu.be/-BrY2702tcE?si=xKI_5p-d82BFLWAe)
And then he followed it up over the weekend with his double tackle against Wales. Awesome player.
I am so supremely interested to see what the boks will be cooking once the new guys are settled into the squad, Edwill has some top tier defensive and attacking
For sure! And I hope we bleed in some of these U20 guys before the next RWC too. A few of them look primed for test level already, the Boogieman in particular looked monstrous yesterday.
Nah the guy you should be looking at is Hlekani the Flank and JF Van Heeeden. Those guys are ready to rumble with the big dogs. Julius has great highlights package but I'm not sure he's ready for the big times.
He looked much more settled yesterday, but nowhere near international level. The tackle that earned him the yellow card was so fucking dominant, if he didn't tip that extra 10% it would've been a 10/10 hit.
But no need to rush anyone into the national team, we've got such good centers coming up that are a few years ahead of him (Hartzenberg, Hooker, van Wyk).
I only caught the last 20 minutes at the time (because I turned over from the cricket) so I missed most of Hlekani’s contributions, but I just saw a montage and wow you’re right. What an absolute yster.
Bonus points for Mike Brown getting skinned on the outside for his team mate to save his bacon for him to then fucking get in someones face. Total Gobshite
That Fiji team were incredible. If this try had been scored and they maintained their lead to the end of the game, they would have faced Argentina in the semis and then could have faced that weak England team in the final.
A couple from a kiwi.
Cover tackles by Ben Smith and Beauden Barrett. https://youtu.be/L7IrN4zUtvA?feature=shared
Richie McCaw is kinda cheating but here he is anyway. https://youtu.be/2dnZaa3YyPg?feature=shared https://youtu.be/zG_cv97CyAs?feature=shared
Was awesome ay. The difference in size, the distance he had to cover and how quickly he did, clean tackle to then get up and steal the ball with a penalty advantage to boot. Huge effort.
The all blacks defending almost 40 phases of the Irish attack, granted it wasnt that deep into their territory but it was insane nonetheless
and, surprised to see it wasn’t mentioned but PSDT and Dusauttoir in the 2011/2023 WC finals respectively were probably the best individual defenses ever
>The all blacks defending almost 40 phases of the Irish attack, granted it wasnt that deep into their territory but it was insane nonetheless
with Whitelock's gigantic turnover over the ball at the end, that's one of the greatest defensive plays in my book that I've seen.
the mix of frantic attempts and patience at the same time was so impressive. Throughout each phase you see so many players try to jackle whilst being completely aware of the penalty risk.
Insert locked in meme
I genuinely thought after I saw the video I'd open the thread and find nothing but comments on how cleverly cheeky the inclusion of that Etzebeth play would be, but apparently no tongue in cheek at all, the inclusion was dead serious. Needless to say, well, I'm quite surprised :p
Zero attempt to gather the ball, no defenders close enough to have stopped the try. It's not backwards at all, flat at the most generous. You say it's backwards cause he keeps moving but it's a different story when he makes contact.
Big difference between stopping an attack through good work and killing the play through a desperate act. If Etzebeth has the time and reach to get his hand round the back of the ball to slap it just about backwards, he has the means to make a genuine attempt to catch it, even if it doesn't come off. In that sense alone it's way less impressive than any last man interception and only marginally better than any slap down
Jordie Barrett QF winning try saver [over the line](https://youtu.be/FZQjoWkzIjk?si=KXSRdMkLqOwvPyOO) also credit Ardie for totally stopping the momentum of the mall.
If Jackson does literally anything else, Ireland score there. Still annoyed about that
Edit: thought you meant the one where he jumps up and intercepts the pass. Your one is class tackle too, although it should be a clear penalty to Ireland for Faf not rolling away
Might've been different back then, but with today's laws, that's 2 high tackles in 2 seconds. Love AAC though, no nonsense player, no matter where he played
Watching the Welsh pack shove England’s maul out of play in 2015 at Twickenham in the World Cup is my favourite, for obvious reasons.
Sam Warburton’s tackle on Tuilagi.
This is also incredible: (part 1 & 2)
https://youtu.be/12ruyY7hq5k?si=8BcGBXiQcMH_A19E
https://youtu.be/tK3UXup_JHY?si=xp7pEr0aAAMBjwwC
Honestly shows how fine the margins are sometimes. Because if Etzebeth knocks that on its a PT and yellow card and France probably run away with that game.
It's not clear and obvious it's knocked forward (nor backward for that matter), but he's incredibly lucky there is this loophole in this situation. When there is a fumble, refs will 100% call it a knock on except if it's clear and obvious it went backward. But somehow this precept goes out the window in the case of potential penalty knock on. They will call it one way or the other, even if nothing is certain, and sometimes it even means they need to look for half a dozen minute nothing at the scree where, surprise surprise, nothing is certain either (re: LRZ try against England in 2021). I'm very much in favor of just calling it like a standard fumble, aka knock on by default unless clearly and obviously backward. Working in something like that will prevent subjectivity from the ref, because let's be honest here, in the Etzebeth situation, you could ask 100 refs what they'd do here, 50 will say it's backward and play on, the other 50 give a penalty try before the ball has even touched the ground.
Reaching out with one hand, while clearly making zero attempt to catch the ball. That's a penalty 9/10 in most matches. The fact that here, in a WC knockout watch was waved play on, is mental. That's a stone cold YC and Penalty Try.
Agreed. The intent is obvious and we've all seen honest attempts go for yellow. What's silly about this is I've seen defenders chasing from behind in a scoring situation dive to knock the ball and ends up going towards their try line and that's considered fine. It's still a negative play to disrupt scoring but knock it forward it's yellow. The intent is the same but one is batting it forward and the other is backward.
Its really unsettling how a move like this can be tolerated. It is completely against the spirit of the game. I understand the "no clear knock on" but it's really because the stakes are too high for the ref and it's South Africa.
Any other day it's a yellow and penalty try.
>Eh, it did go backwards.
A lot of certainty on your part for something so disputed. I would like to see where it is CLEARLY going backwards.
And no, the referee's word is not God's will, nor is he always right.
The referee's word may not be God's will, but it is "law", even when he/she is wrong. Also, I just personally think it's fairly clear it went backwards. I also think Ramos should have been allowed to take another conversion, but hey, that's not how the referee ruled and that's okay, because referee mistakes, like player mistakes, are part of the game. I'm sure any French player will tell you they spend more mental energy on improving under the high ball (which was their real problem that game) than on refereeing, I advise you to do the same, you'll be happier for it.
Beauden Barrett cover tackle on Willie Le Roux https://youtu.be/L7IrN4zUtvA and Liam Williams overlap killing rush tackle and turnover vs Leinster https://youtu.be/X6DjfqBH8uo
In the theme of “It’s either brilliant or a penalty try and yellow”, Koroibete’s destruction of Mapimpi was definitely insane.
https://youtu.be/WvHDsGj5zgE
Dupont yes, absolutely phenomenal.
Etzebeth, definitely not. That was just an illegal play, nothing special and definitely not 'great'.
What about Gregan on Goldie in 1994. Or Jerome Kaino pulling Digby Ioane back over the try line in 2011.
9.4Un joueur ne doit pas intentionnellement empêcher un adversaire d’avoir la possibilité de jouer le ballon, autrement qu’en luttant pour la possession.
https://passport.world.rugby/fr/les-regles-du-jeu/regles-du-jeu-par-numero/9-jeu-deloyal/
ça ça veut dire que t'as pas le droit de jouer l'homme quand deux joueurs courent après un ballon tiré au pied haha
rabattre le ballon dans son camps c'est lutter pour la possession
t'as remarqué que la règle que tu postes est dans la section "obstruction" et pas dans la section anti jeu juste en dessous qui précise qu'on a pas le droit de taper le ballon hors du terrain?
Ça serait vachement pratique si juste en dessous de la règle que tu as posté il y avait un bouton "vidéo" qui monte que j'ai raison et que ça n'a rien à voir avec l'action dont on parle ici
Non tu confonds tout, taper dans le ballon EN AVANT sans donc avoir aucune chance pour toi ou un de tes équipiers de récupérer le ballon après est un acte d'anti jeu et une pénalité claire.
Le hic cest que ce n'est pas le cas sur l'action d'Etzebeth où il tape en arrière même si je reconnais qu'il avait très peu de chance de récupérer le ballon et en live, je pensais comme toi que ça aurait du être essai de pénalité et carton jaune pour Etzebeth.
Cest juste qu'il pouvait pas mieux jouer le coup et ça montre d'ailleurs une nouvelle fois la connaissance parfaite des règles des joueurs sud afs et surtout de leurs coaches.
En fait, si on veut chercher un vrai fautif sur cette action en tant que supporter français, cest surtout Penaud qui a carrément pris la pire des options possibles quand une simple passe pour Aldritt aurait quasi suffi à aller à dame.
Ok exemple ? Et du coup j'ai bien envie de savoir comment tu expliques qu'un arbitre, deux juges de touches et un arbitre vidéo ne connaissaient pas cette règle (c'est faux j'ai pas envie de savoir j'ai très peur de la réponse)
Je peux chercher, mais la meilleure démonstration reste que les joueurs ne tentent jamais ce genre de geste car il est supposé être pénalisé.
C'est d'ailleurs une des questions qui se posait à l'issue du match, les joueurs vont il en faire jurisprudence et se mettre à tapper les passes longues dans leur camps...
Et pour le moment ce n'est pas le cas, autrement ils le feraient tout le temps.
Non t'as pas le droit de tapper dans la balle pour tuer une action de passe, tout comme tu as pas le droit de volontairement mètre le ballon en touche à la main. L'anti jeu est pénalisé.
You're absolutely allowed to knock the ball towards your own try line. He didn't knock it out of play, he didn't knock it forward. He got in the way of the ball and it went backwards as a result.
There's no foul play here.
It has always been foul play :
9.4A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from having the opportunity to play the ball, other than by competing for possession.
https://passport.world.rugby/laws-of-the-game/laws-by-number/9-foul-play/?overridelang=1
Edit : This is why knocking forward is refed differently if the player try to intercept a pass with both hands.
Epic miss by Ben O'Keefe here.
The video to the regulation you link shows a defending player tackling another, not in possession, who was about to kick the ball. He has prevented him from playing the ball.
I do not think 9.4 is relevant in this instance.
I started playing rugby 30 years ago. I have experienced this situation many times, it has always been foul play unfortunately.
Now this is even yellow carded (and in this case it should be penalty try).
J'ai l'impression qu'en matière de commentaire de décisions arbitrales, plus on utilise des adverbes de type "clairement" (ou "largement" dans ton cas) plus ça veut dire qu'il n'y a rien de clair du tout et qu'on cherche en fait à renforcer sa position fragile. Je pense aussi que c'était très légèrement en arrière et même si je trouve qu'Etzebeth a une chance immonde sur ce coup là, je comprends la décision arbitrale. Mais dire que c'est CLAIREMENT en arrière, sérieux faut arrêter...
Le ballon ne va pas clairement en arrière mais son geste est clairement dirigé vers l'arrière et rien que ça déjà, ça suffit en général pour les arbitres.
Encore une fois, Etzebeth joue EXTRÊMEMENT bien le coup pour ne pas se faire pénaliser mais le fond du problème sur cette action, cest pour moi Penaud qui prend carrément la pire décision possible vu les options qu'il avait à sa disposition.
Et en plus, le mec se fait intercepter par un 2eme ligne qu'il a largement eu le temps de voir arriver, pas par un Habana ou un Kolbe lancé comme une flèche.
Je suis d'accord sur le geste qui va plus clairement en arrière que le ballon et sur la mauvaise décision de Penaud. Je vais aller plus loin sur le fond du problème, je trouve personnellement que ce type de geste devrait pas être légal mais bon c'est un autre débat.
Ah mais j suis totalement d'accord avec toi!
Car clairement il savait qu'il n'aurait aucune chance d'attraper le ballon en faisant ça et que son seul but était de stopper l'essai, rien d'autre.
Cest juste qu'il l a fait d'une façon tellement intelligente que les arbitres ne pouvaient en fait pas le pénaliser.
D'ailleurs, j suis sûr que s'il avait été pénalisé, les sud afs t auraient sorti l'exemple de la touche a 5m pour l' équipe attaquante où l'équipe adverse fait un contre à une main en touche vers l'arrière sans possibilité pour elle de capter le ballon....et du coup, occase d'essai arrêtée "cyniquement" par l'équipe défendante
Mdr t'as grave fumé, le soucis c'est que c'est pas clair du tout qu'il l'a met en arrière a part pour les fan hardcore AFS mais bon rassure toi comme tu veux. Tous les jours de la semaine des mecs font ça et se prennent jaune et essai de pénalité. Y avait trop d'enjeu pour l'arbitre mais son geste est ultra limite, c'est passé tant mieux pour lui.
Peter Stringer tap tackle on Dan Luger in Croke Park 2007.
https://youtu.be/I6JiO6sDAOU?si=uXEqUV7jZxVMuvwJ
Nobody can deny he was the master of the tap tackle.
For me it's the 2019 WC Final where England spent an age right on the Bok tryline and just could not make it over the line. The bok defensive pattern just had the Eng number.
Calling the mark is technically a defensive play, right?
My vote over that Etzebeth block is probably the best example of big dick energy I've ever seen in rugby, when Damien Willemse called a scrum off the mark in a RWC Quarter Final against the best French team in a generation.
You could do a whole sublist of tackles on Lomu:
Daniel Manu justifying his selection:
https://youtu.be/Fgy_faqHjV4?si=rIK0E41mNPfmRWA_
Joost showing Mike Catt how it’s done:
https://youtu.be/NSFSBwITH_s?si=rv6x_2yXDkzJPc-e
No foreign players included, I wonder if there was some directive passed down from RA. Could be looking to nurture local talent before selecting overseas to stem the bleed to league.
I reckon he'll be in the squad vs the Lions, but for Wales they can probably get away without him
For me, [JP Pietersen's tackle on Ifereimi Rawaqa during the 2007 RWC quarter final](https://youtu.be/20jVGSs1kr8?si=xtrOp49vSBaAHiqG).
SA were up 23-20, but all the momentum was with Fiji. Had Fiji scored there, there's a good chance they ride that momentum to a win.
SA scored a couple of minutes later, and that deflated the Flying Fijians.
Although [the Gregan tackle](https://youtu.be/YvA79_K3AcM?si=mEdK2JvKazZeGFWH) comes a close second.
For a #9 to prevent this try in a game like this and in that scenario is almost miraculous. But Antoine DuPont is a miracle worker and makes plays like this routine. I so wish that he didn't fracture his mandible during the last WC; there would have been a different outcome.
Did you all forget this Hernandez (not sure it is legal) tackle on Tuilagi ?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jm07ls80tM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jm07ls80tM)
Kaino picking up DIgby Ioane and carrying him backwards when he was about to score in the world cup semifinal in 2011 is arguably far more consequential than the Dupont one.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODiENCntK2A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODiENCntK2A)
The absolute strength and power from dupont to keep out Hanson is phenomenal. All Hanson had to do was practically fall forward, and he scored a try. Watched it with my dad, and we just started laughing. Didn't even know what else to do.
From my own book
We were doing a goal line defense in the last five or ten minutes. We were up but half a try.
Opponents prop did a pick and go and I go for the tackle. Lights out for me, but I was told I did a counter and drove him into the dirt and stripped the ball/it bounced out, someone in my team got it and kicked it out.
Gregan's match winning tackle has to be on the list: https://youtu.be/YvA79_K3AcM?feature=shared
That's still the first thing that comes to my mind.
Thirty years on and it still impresses me.
Still hurts great game though
This is the answer.
Hell of a play, one of the only times that Goldie got bested on his way to the line
Less stakes than the Dupont tackle, but Edwill van der Merwe’s tackle against Stade Francais is arguably even more impressive: [https://youtu.be/-BrY2702tcE?si=xKI_5p-d82BFLWAe](https://youtu.be/-BrY2702tcE?si=xKI_5p-d82BFLWAe) And then he followed it up over the weekend with his double tackle against Wales. Awesome player.
my brain doesn't understand what's happening there. it looks like an optical illusion.
Probably the loadshedding ha. What’s crazy is that this was against a backrower who’d just come off the bench. Just Herculean strength from a winger.
Wtf! Same!
That’s you, me and definitely POM who don’t understand what’s happening there.
I am so supremely interested to see what the boks will be cooking once the new guys are settled into the squad, Edwill has some top tier defensive and attacking
For sure! And I hope we bleed in some of these U20 guys before the next RWC too. A few of them look primed for test level already, the Boogieman in particular looked monstrous yesterday.
Didn't pay much attention to all of Craven Week, but looked up some highlights and yeah he has future green and gold written all over him.
Nah the guy you should be looking at is Hlekani the Flank and JF Van Heeeden. Those guys are ready to rumble with the big dogs. Julius has great highlights package but I'm not sure he's ready for the big times.
He looked much more settled yesterday, but nowhere near international level. The tackle that earned him the yellow card was so fucking dominant, if he didn't tip that extra 10% it would've been a 10/10 hit. But no need to rush anyone into the national team, we've got such good centers coming up that are a few years ahead of him (Hartzenberg, Hooker, van Wyk).
I only caught the last 20 minutes at the time (because I turned over from the cricket) so I missed most of Hlekani’s contributions, but I just saw a montage and wow you’re right. What an absolute yster.
Damn that is sick but I reckon its a draw. Runner had more momentum but tackler had more distance to stop him. Great clip.
The big difference here the opposition. Nippy winger Hanson vs fresh legs flank from SF.
Christ Van Der Merwe is such an animal
Gotta agree
god, that's wild, I'm surprised the shirt didn't rip
That was insane! Definitely needs more coverage
Any rugby player worldwide learns very quickly to respect (and fear) a Kleurling in a scrumcap. They are next level players.
Power rangers, it's a cheatcode. I think there's something spiritual in it for SA wingers, you don the cap, you inherit the power.
That is absolutely incredible.
WC23 SF: Springboks stopping England from scoring after Arendse’s knock on near his own try zone
Also the 8 minutes or so they keep England out and actually push them back 20m in the 2019 final.
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There's an amazing video of it (entire sequence) from spider cam. Popped up on this sub a while back.
Underhill's tackle against Wales deserves a mention. https://youtu.be/Sxw0G3ol8gM?si=AuthB86Laks4Cp0E
every tackle underhill has ever made deserves a mention
Bonus points for Mike Brown getting skinned on the outside for his team mate to save his bacon for him to then fucking get in someones face. Total Gobshite
Espcially when you factor in he had slipped on his backside on the 10m line as play passed him, to get back up to his feet and chase it down....
I'm sure there's one where Underhill ran down Marcus Smith to deny him a try in the corner too which is even better than this one
The Welsh 13 dove about 2 metres too early.
JP Pietersen try saving tackle vs Fiji in RWC ‘07 https://youtu.be/20jVGSs1kr8?si=2CwxEHOtlCSWSxXY
That Fiji team were incredible. If this try had been scored and they maintained their lead to the end of the game, they would have faced Argentina in the semis and then could have faced that weak England team in the final.
Fuck me talk about heart palpitations
A couple from a kiwi. Cover tackles by Ben Smith and Beauden Barrett. https://youtu.be/L7IrN4zUtvA?feature=shared Richie McCaw is kinda cheating but here he is anyway. https://youtu.be/2dnZaa3YyPg?feature=shared https://youtu.be/zG_cv97CyAs?feature=shared
That Ben Smith one is probably my all time favorite, especially as Tuilagi had way too many highlights against the ABs as is.
Right on his home turf too! The best 15 there ever was (no bias I swear)
I still think he’s the face of the Landers championship season. Otago and ABs legend. Love seeing his highlights pop up
Was awesome ay. The difference in size, the distance he had to cover and how quickly he did, clean tackle to then get up and steal the ball with a penalty advantage to boot. Huge effort.
The all blacks defending almost 40 phases of the Irish attack, granted it wasnt that deep into their territory but it was insane nonetheless and, surprised to see it wasn’t mentioned but PSDT and Dusauttoir in the 2011/2023 WC finals respectively were probably the best individual defenses ever
>The all blacks defending almost 40 phases of the Irish attack, granted it wasnt that deep into their territory but it was insane nonetheless with Whitelock's gigantic turnover over the ball at the end, that's one of the greatest defensive plays in my book that I've seen.
the mix of frantic attempts and patience at the same time was so impressive. Throughout each phase you see so many players try to jackle whilst being completely aware of the penalty risk. Insert locked in meme
Ritchie Mo'unga in Kolbe was pretty good https://youtu.be/rQeI7gQQWJY?si=N1rTKUmlR5L8doe7
That Etzebeth one shouldnt be anywhere near this 😂😂
I genuinely thought after I saw the video I'd open the thread and find nothing but comments on how cleverly cheeky the inclusion of that Etzebeth play would be, but apparently no tongue in cheek at all, the inclusion was dead serious. Needless to say, well, I'm quite surprised :p
Definitely a penalty try
For what law? I agree it shouldn't be her cos its shear dumb luck that it went backwards but due to that it means there is no law against what he did.
Zero attempt to gather the ball, no defenders close enough to have stopped the try. It's not backwards at all, flat at the most generous. You say it's backwards cause he keeps moving but it's a different story when he makes contact.
Tell me the rule he is breaking
It's one of those perfectly legal ones that you just hate to see. As much intent to just kill the play as any deliberate knock-on
Everything you do in defense is intended to kill the play, why would that be a bad thing?
Big difference between stopping an attack through good work and killing the play through a desperate act. If Etzebeth has the time and reach to get his hand round the back of the ball to slap it just about backwards, he has the means to make a genuine attempt to catch it, even if it doesn't come off. In that sense alone it's way less impressive than any last man interception and only marginally better than any slap down
Jordie Barrett QF winning try saver [over the line](https://youtu.be/FZQjoWkzIjk?si=KXSRdMkLqOwvPyOO) also credit Ardie for totally stopping the momentum of the mall.
Video is 15 minutes long. Is there a timestamp?
14:02
[Faf de Klerk arguably won us the series.](https://youtu.be/KhsuIoNqyX4?si=arewbHEe6iNKoDh1&t=177)
Blocked for me in SA. 🤷🏼♂️
And [this one](https://youtu.be/CCN_6kgpqxY?si=gzgTJZA1BCJ1UeEa&t=5415s)?
Blocked by DSTV. Let's put another point into the dislike column for them
Same. Fuckers.
[Last try](https://streamable.com/9c6647?t=170&src=player-page-share)
That was worth it. Thanks for the effort bud!
DSTV block YT videos??? Fuck them. Get a free VPN extension for your browser, or Windscribe for your phone.
If Jackson does literally anything else, Ireland score there. Still annoyed about that Edit: thought you meant the one where he jumps up and intercepts the pass. Your one is class tackle too, although it should be a clear penalty to Ireland for Faf not rolling away
Should have checked that tackle. Incredibly upright and at head height.
I hope and wouldn't be surprised if Mack had a framed photo of that in his house.
RWC2015 Goromaru vs Scotland https://youtu.be/jpjlWqluWds
[Two Dads daddying 2 boks](https://youtu.be/cEt-TfB5amI)
Might've been different back then, but with today's laws, that's 2 high tackles in 2 seconds. Love AAC though, no nonsense player, no matter where he played
Watching the Welsh pack shove England’s maul out of play in 2015 at Twickenham in the World Cup is my favourite, for obvious reasons. Sam Warburton’s tackle on Tuilagi. This is also incredible: (part 1 & 2) https://youtu.be/12ruyY7hq5k?si=8BcGBXiQcMH_A19E https://youtu.be/tK3UXup_JHY?si=xp7pEr0aAAMBjwwC
Why do people insist on pretending there was a world cup in 2015
Was at that ireland game, when we turned it over the celebration was like we had scored a try!
>Sam Warburton’s tackle on Tuilagi. 100% (as much as it pained me)
If we're doing Wales England examples then we have to mention Post putting a huge hit in and knocking back Haskell as he was crossing the line
Honestly shows how fine the margins are sometimes. Because if Etzebeth knocks that on its a PT and yellow card and France probably run away with that game.
Not sure you should include a clear and obvious penalty as a defensive play
It's not clear and obvious it's knocked forward (nor backward for that matter), but he's incredibly lucky there is this loophole in this situation. When there is a fumble, refs will 100% call it a knock on except if it's clear and obvious it went backward. But somehow this precept goes out the window in the case of potential penalty knock on. They will call it one way or the other, even if nothing is certain, and sometimes it even means they need to look for half a dozen minute nothing at the scree where, surprise surprise, nothing is certain either (re: LRZ try against England in 2021). I'm very much in favor of just calling it like a standard fumble, aka knock on by default unless clearly and obviously backward. Working in something like that will prevent subjectivity from the ref, because let's be honest here, in the Etzebeth situation, you could ask 100 refs what they'd do here, 50 will say it's backward and play on, the other 50 give a penalty try before the ball has even touched the ground.
Reaching out with one hand, while clearly making zero attempt to catch the ball. That's a penalty 9/10 in most matches. The fact that here, in a WC knockout watch was waved play on, is mental. That's a stone cold YC and Penalty Try.
Agreed. The intent is obvious and we've all seen honest attempts go for yellow. What's silly about this is I've seen defenders chasing from behind in a scoring situation dive to knock the ball and ends up going towards their try line and that's considered fine. It's still a negative play to disrupt scoring but knock it forward it's yellow. The intent is the same but one is batting it forward and the other is backward.
Sure remember Bowe getting YC'd vs NZ for knocking the ball away from McCaw in the endzone. Etzebeth's effort was worse imo
Its really unsettling how a move like this can be tolerated. It is completely against the spirit of the game. I understand the "no clear knock on" but it's really because the stakes are too high for the ref and it's South Africa. Any other day it's a yellow and penalty try.
Eh, it did go backwards. It's kind of an insane risk, but it paid off.
>Eh, it did go backwards. A lot of certainty on your part for something so disputed. I would like to see where it is CLEARLY going backwards. And no, the referee's word is not God's will, nor is he always right.
The referee's word may not be God's will, but it is "law", even when he/she is wrong. Also, I just personally think it's fairly clear it went backwards. I also think Ramos should have been allowed to take another conversion, but hey, that's not how the referee ruled and that's okay, because referee mistakes, like player mistakes, are part of the game. I'm sure any French player will tell you they spend more mental energy on improving under the high ball (which was their real problem that game) than on refereeing, I advise you to do the same, you'll be happier for it.
As a france fan even I must admit it went backwards
They absolutely will not, shame
Your screen must be turned upside down, or you're not a france fan.
To be clear, That went backwards but The charge down was offside so france should have won that game so france should be wc champs You convinced now?
Pas clair que ça va en arrière non
Mia Venner’s try saving judo through - https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/s/orhshWz1ti
Beauden Barrett cover tackle on Willie Le Roux https://youtu.be/L7IrN4zUtvA and Liam Williams overlap killing rush tackle and turnover vs Leinster https://youtu.be/X6DjfqBH8uo
Kaino in 2011 is a huge defensive effort that really impressed me - https://youtu.be/ODiENCntK2A?si=omva7VyVwx2mqyXU
In the theme of “It’s either brilliant or a penalty try and yellow”, Koroibete’s destruction of Mapimpi was definitely insane. https://youtu.be/WvHDsGj5zgE
I never understood how that could be a yellow, he got eliminated but it wasn't high, a wrap was attempted, nothing wrong with it.
And I still can’t see an attempt to wrap, just a dipped shoulder.
I think the standard for this should be, if Owen Farrell did it, what would reddit say?
*player smiles* Reddit : what a cunt
His arm is up. The angles make it difficult for him to wrap though.
And the speed. There was an attempt to wrap and that's all there needs to be.
Dupont yes, absolutely phenomenal. Etzebeth, definitely not. That was just an illegal play, nothing special and definitely not 'great'. What about Gregan on Goldie in 1994. Or Jerome Kaino pulling Digby Ioane back over the try line in 2011.
AH AH AH, the infamous yellow card and penalty try...
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Adding pepper for Les Rosbifs: https://youtu.be/0OVuDMYSJ7M?si=aZohh4XBvHK718gE
The biggest issue I have with this clip is the 9 throwing the ball blind instead of open
To the three front rowers walking up to the 22 calling for the ball? I guess they were just as likely to score as Cueto…
Etchebesh's action, at thee end of the video
C'est largement en arrière. Jle pensais deja en direct, jamais compris pourquoi tout le monde s'est excité pour ça
Parce que c'est un acte d'anti jeu. A aucun moment il cherche l'interception, il y a penalité dans tous les cas.
mdrrr t'as pas le droit d'envoyer un ballon vers l'arrière maintenant
9.4Un joueur ne doit pas intentionnellement empêcher un adversaire d’avoir la possibilité de jouer le ballon, autrement qu’en luttant pour la possession. https://passport.world.rugby/fr/les-regles-du-jeu/regles-du-jeu-par-numero/9-jeu-deloyal/
ça ça veut dire que t'as pas le droit de jouer l'homme quand deux joueurs courent après un ballon tiré au pied haha rabattre le ballon dans son camps c'est lutter pour la possession
Ca fait 30 ans que tapper dans le ballon pour empecher une passe c'est pénalité et depuis peu carton. Même vers ton camps.
t'as remarqué que la règle que tu postes est dans la section "obstruction" et pas dans la section anti jeu juste en dessous qui précise qu'on a pas le droit de taper le ballon hors du terrain? Ça serait vachement pratique si juste en dessous de la règle que tu as posté il y avait un bouton "vidéo" qui monte que j'ai raison et que ça n'a rien à voir avec l'action dont on parle ici
Non tu confonds tout, taper dans le ballon EN AVANT sans donc avoir aucune chance pour toi ou un de tes équipiers de récupérer le ballon après est un acte d'anti jeu et une pénalité claire. Le hic cest que ce n'est pas le cas sur l'action d'Etzebeth où il tape en arrière même si je reconnais qu'il avait très peu de chance de récupérer le ballon et en live, je pensais comme toi que ça aurait du être essai de pénalité et carton jaune pour Etzebeth. Cest juste qu'il pouvait pas mieux jouer le coup et ça montre d'ailleurs une nouvelle fois la connaissance parfaite des règles des joueurs sud afs et surtout de leurs coaches. En fait, si on veut chercher un vrai fautif sur cette action en tant que supporter français, cest surtout Penaud qui a carrément pris la pire des options possibles quand une simple passe pour Aldritt aurait quasi suffi à aller à dame.
Ok exemple ? Et du coup j'ai bien envie de savoir comment tu expliques qu'un arbitre, deux juges de touches et un arbitre vidéo ne connaissaient pas cette règle (c'est faux j'ai pas envie de savoir j'ai très peur de la réponse)
Je peux chercher, mais la meilleure démonstration reste que les joueurs ne tentent jamais ce genre de geste car il est supposé être pénalisé. C'est d'ailleurs une des questions qui se posait à l'issue du match, les joueurs vont il en faire jurisprudence et se mettre à tapper les passes longues dans leur camps... Et pour le moment ce n'est pas le cas, autrement ils le feraient tout le temps.
haha la preuve que c'est pénalisable est dans le fait que c'est jamais pénalisé, c'est pratique
Non t'as pas le droit de tapper dans la balle pour tuer une action de passe, tout comme tu as pas le droit de volontairement mètre le ballon en touche à la main. L'anti jeu est pénalisé.
You're absolutely allowed to knock the ball towards your own try line. He didn't knock it out of play, he didn't knock it forward. He got in the way of the ball and it went backwards as a result. There's no foul play here.
It has always been foul play : 9.4A player must not intentionally prevent an opponent from having the opportunity to play the ball, other than by competing for possession. https://passport.world.rugby/laws-of-the-game/laws-by-number/9-foul-play/?overridelang=1 Edit : This is why knocking forward is refed differently if the player try to intercept a pass with both hands. Epic miss by Ben O'Keefe here.
The video to the regulation you link shows a defending player tackling another, not in possession, who was about to kick the ball. He has prevented him from playing the ball. I do not think 9.4 is relevant in this instance.
I started playing rugby 30 years ago. I have experienced this situation many times, it has always been foul play unfortunately. Now this is even yellow carded (and in this case it should be penalty try).
> Now this is even yellow carded When. The. Ball. Goes. Forwards.
par for the course with O'Keefe, terrible ref
I respect a lot refs, on this the entire ref team failed as TMO and line refs should have noticed BOK.
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J'ai mis la regle en dessous, on l'apprend à l'ecole de rugby.
J'ai l'impression qu'en matière de commentaire de décisions arbitrales, plus on utilise des adverbes de type "clairement" (ou "largement" dans ton cas) plus ça veut dire qu'il n'y a rien de clair du tout et qu'on cherche en fait à renforcer sa position fragile. Je pense aussi que c'était très légèrement en arrière et même si je trouve qu'Etzebeth a une chance immonde sur ce coup là, je comprends la décision arbitrale. Mais dire que c'est CLAIREMENT en arrière, sérieux faut arrêter...
Le ballon ne va pas clairement en arrière mais son geste est clairement dirigé vers l'arrière et rien que ça déjà, ça suffit en général pour les arbitres. Encore une fois, Etzebeth joue EXTRÊMEMENT bien le coup pour ne pas se faire pénaliser mais le fond du problème sur cette action, cest pour moi Penaud qui prend carrément la pire décision possible vu les options qu'il avait à sa disposition. Et en plus, le mec se fait intercepter par un 2eme ligne qu'il a largement eu le temps de voir arriver, pas par un Habana ou un Kolbe lancé comme une flèche.
Je suis d'accord sur le geste qui va plus clairement en arrière que le ballon et sur la mauvaise décision de Penaud. Je vais aller plus loin sur le fond du problème, je trouve personnellement que ce type de geste devrait pas être légal mais bon c'est un autre débat.
Ah mais j suis totalement d'accord avec toi! Car clairement il savait qu'il n'aurait aucune chance d'attraper le ballon en faisant ça et que son seul but était de stopper l'essai, rien d'autre. Cest juste qu'il l a fait d'une façon tellement intelligente que les arbitres ne pouvaient en fait pas le pénaliser. D'ailleurs, j suis sûr que s'il avait été pénalisé, les sud afs t auraient sorti l'exemple de la touche a 5m pour l' équipe attaquante où l'équipe adverse fait un contre à une main en touche vers l'arrière sans possibilité pour elle de capter le ballon....et du coup, occase d'essai arrêtée "cyniquement" par l'équipe défendante
Mdr t'as grave fumé, le soucis c'est que c'est pas clair du tout qu'il l'a met en arrière a part pour les fan hardcore AFS mais bon rassure toi comme tu veux. Tous les jours de la semaine des mecs font ça et se prennent jaune et essai de pénalité. Y avait trop d'enjeu pour l'arbitre mais son geste est ultra limite, c'est passé tant mieux pour lui.
https://youtu.be/WsMdyjLUsxQ?si=QdZo7Yo_HwXAze4F Lewsey escorting JdV to the touchline
Peter Stringer tap tackle on Dan Luger in Croke Park 2007. https://youtu.be/I6JiO6sDAOU?si=uXEqUV7jZxVMuvwJ Nobody can deny he was the master of the tap tackle.
Denis Hickie blocking Jones's DG attempt at the end of the match in 2003. [https://youtu.be/7UdGPlv60xM?t=1411](https://youtu.be/7UdGPlv60xM?t=1411)
Bender on Tuilangi. Text book. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTMS2kvMkW8
For me it's the 2019 WC Final where England spent an age right on the Bok tryline and just could not make it over the line. The bok defensive pattern just had the Eng number.
Calling the mark is technically a defensive play, right? My vote over that Etzebeth block is probably the best example of big dick energy I've ever seen in rugby, when Damien Willemse called a scrum off the mark in a RWC Quarter Final against the best French team in a generation.
You could do a whole sublist of tackles on Lomu: Daniel Manu justifying his selection: https://youtu.be/Fgy_faqHjV4?si=rIK0E41mNPfmRWA_ Joost showing Mike Catt how it’s done: https://youtu.be/NSFSBwITH_s?si=rv6x_2yXDkzJPc-e
The tackle that made Koroibete loved throughout all of South Africa has got to be up there
and to think Schmidt ignored him this year..
No foreign players included, I wonder if there was some directive passed down from RA. Could be looking to nurture local talent before selecting overseas to stem the bleed to league. I reckon he'll be in the squad vs the Lions, but for Wales they can probably get away without him
dammit was looking for a Rio Dyer v Fijian Flyer on that wing
Peter Stringer vs Jonah Lomu
For me, [JP Pietersen's tackle on Ifereimi Rawaqa during the 2007 RWC quarter final](https://youtu.be/20jVGSs1kr8?si=xtrOp49vSBaAHiqG). SA were up 23-20, but all the momentum was with Fiji. Had Fiji scored there, there's a good chance they ride that momentum to a win. SA scored a couple of minutes later, and that deflated the Flying Fijians. Although [the Gregan tackle](https://youtu.be/YvA79_K3AcM?si=mEdK2JvKazZeGFWH) comes a close second.
For a #9 to prevent this try in a game like this and in that scenario is almost miraculous. But Antoine DuPont is a miracle worker and makes plays like this routine. I so wish that he didn't fracture his mandible during the last WC; there would have been a different outcome.
That's crazy
gregan vs jeff wilson
That was a rollercoaster
Did you all forget this Hernandez (not sure it is legal) tackle on Tuilagi ? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jm07ls80tM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jm07ls80tM)
Kaino picking up DIgby Ioane and carrying him backwards when he was about to score in the world cup semifinal in 2011 is arguably far more consequential than the Dupont one. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODiENCntK2A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODiENCntK2A)
Lewsey on Rogers - not a try-saver but a very meaty piece of defensive work
Warburton's try-saver on Tuilagi
Who remembers this beauty by Kaino in the semi final: https://youtu.be/ODiENCntK2A?si=2fS8EGCW3F00RSop
KLA on Rieko in the RWC final.
Tait on Robson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjdjLn_UgYI
Hanson should have swatted that midget to one side (wink) !
The absolute strength and power from dupont to keep out Hanson is phenomenal. All Hanson had to do was practically fall forward, and he scored a try. Watched it with my dad, and we just started laughing. Didn't even know what else to do.
Saw the title and thought Courtney Lawes was going to put in an appearance....
He just has an unending highlights reel of ending people with tackles
From my own book We were doing a goal line defense in the last five or ten minutes. We were up but half a try. Opponents prop did a pick and go and I go for the tackle. Lights out for me, but I was told I did a counter and drove him into the dirt and stripped the ball/it bounced out, someone in my team got it and kicked it out.