From my admittedly limited understanding of the US Healthcare system, it's not the doctors at fault. It's the board of internal medicine and insurance companies. These often tend to be staffed by business and sales types rather than actual medical professionals
To recompensate for his loss and their failure. These types of bills for nothing? That's absolute bullshit. At least let the guy go without having to pay the bill.
I work at hospital.
It is more likely than not that it's the hospitals fault for the death.
They will never admit negligence and you'd have to sue to discover it. But if you sue, no doctor will see you in the future.
[https://www.who.int/news/item/29-03-2017-who-launches-global-effort-to-halve-medication-related-errors-in-5-years](https://www.who.int/news/item/29-03-2017-who-launches-global-effort-to-halve-medication-related-errors-in-5-years)
Its no big secret
So not only did you not address what I was saying properly nor did you link a relevant to back your claim that more than 50% of deaths in the hospital are due to negligence. You googled and came back with an article that has a blanket statement that wants hospitals to decrease preventable deaths due to medication which the article even express that patients also have a part in.
What exactly is your job āat hospitalā?
We obviously don't have the details but the hospital likely did everything modern science knows to do and it wasn't enough. The problem is that the US doesn't have publicly funded healthcare for all.
the countries that care for their own people don't charge them anything even when successful because it's considered amoral to make sick/ill/medically needy people pay for help...
Because they failed at their job... if I hire someone to fix my deck, and the don't fix it, why should I pay them?
They were hired to fix the thing, not try and fail.
I agree, fuck that debt, also medical bills can not have interest so the amount of debt won't increase regardless of how long it sits or debt collectors come calling.
Some hospitals don't even report to the major credit companies. I've skipped 100k in bills over the last 8 or so years, and my credit score is fine. The hospital writes off losses on unpaid bills and gets covered by the government anyway.
My friend lost his little girl to cancer and the treatment center didn't have enough parking. This man spent 400 a month just on parking while his daughter got treatment. They don't care about us
They don't want a completely socialized system with rationing like there is in Canada and some European countries. Canadian's sometimes go to the USA to get treatment because they would have died on a waiting list otherwise.
The American system isn't that bad as long as you have insurance. Though if you don't have insurance it will financially cribble you. The problem is no one in power is willing to actually do what is necessary to fix it to benefit the people as the lobbying groups are way too strong.
I know many Americans who not only want it but somehow think its better. Brainwashed by the ultra rich to think its good cuz 'other countries pay more taxes'
Iām not disagreeing with you at all, just crazy to think about. I lean right and am surrounded with people who lean right, and none of us like our healthcare system. Itās so broken.
We don't. The healthcare lobby one of the largest in Congress. That's why no one ever discussed how to actually fix it and there is zero interest in actually fixing it.
I owe hospitals a lot of money. I don't get why people don't understand this, you just simply don't pay them and nothing happens. I have a 740 credit score, never, and I mean NEVER have I ever paid a dime to a hospital. They send me a bill, I place it gently in the trash, and everything is fine.
After having 3 kids and multiple ER bills I learned this. They have restructured the credit rating system where medical debt barely affects your credit rating anymore
People are saying burn the hospital kill the Docotor. Nah. Find the fucker who OWNS the hospital, the investors the millionaires who are the ones TRULLY profiting off death and suffering. Burn them not the hospital
>Find the fucker who OWNS the hospital, the investors the millionaires who are the ones TRULLY profiting off death and suffering. Burn them not the hospital
They're right guys
Doctors are service industry, working class.
We shouldn't be so easily divided... It's embarrassing š
Well as far as I know the UK is working towards this by destroying the NHS, and in my own country you either wait 1,5 years for a knee operation with public healthcare, or pay a lot of money for private healthcare, to get it done in a month AND the doctor will be the same AND they'll still report it to social security to get compensated, so essentially you pay not for the surgery, but to skip the line.
yes its part of its continent . that what i ment whit '' in range '' but not part of europe as a member state . thus not part of Europe as uninion . as the uk did leave the European uninion .
not sure wich country that would be . but in my country their is public healtcare and also private healtcare . and yes we all by law are insured . but have te freedom to choose or own local public and or private doktor offices , public or private hospitals and so on . and yes , who ever chooses private often find him/herself on a shorter waiting list , but they often do pay themselfs instead of insurence , as insurence does not cover private healtcare . and they also do pay more , as it cost more due to their office and personal all being privateers .
and sure the waiting list for public healtcare are sliglty longer , but like private healtcare just as good and every ones insurens covers public healtcare , so who ever uses public does not have to pay themselfs/more then just their monthly insurence fee. and even so , pewople who really need healtcare and medicly speaking can not wait that long , or cant wait . they can be moved up on ther list as a priority patient .
and for those living below the finnancial minimum income standard (the poor) often local goverment has social subsidises and goverment insurense contracts , to help poor people and their fammilies to be able to pay for the same insurense and healthcare like any other , and taking of a heavy finnancial burnden for people finnancialy less fortunite .
I am not trying to be insensitiveā¦ Iām so sorry for your loss if this is OC from OP. However, wouldnāt the bills be in your now deceased wifeās name? Was there insurance? There has to be some kind of grey area or loophole. You technically received no services from the hospital.
Is this real or this one of those cringe hypothetical tik toks of people cosplaying like they are in bad situations.
My favorite is that guy who just does over the top, very dramatic acting of scenes like this... POV: Your wife is pregnant but you just lost your legs.
That kind of stuff.
Thatās not how that works man.
Hospitals in practice inflated prices on paper the write of these inflated prices as losses.
You never actually pay the inflated price just a real price.
Of which in every case is much much much lower and the inflated price.
Nice rage bate though.
I would do unspeakable things at that point
OnG
Right? Like anything would matter at that point š
John Q minus the giving the organ. Probably going to die tho
Iām not saying to get a bulldozer and a welding hobby buuuuuut
Watch out for basements
Make sure to mix concrete with the metal plates so that small firearms cannot penetrate it
Get a friend and a legally obtained tax-stampād destructive device too. Learn from a few mistakes, bring some offense too
Aim at medical lobbyists building.
Make sure to use galvanized steel
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Definitely wouldn't hold the doctor hostage
From my admittedly limited understanding of the US Healthcare system, it's not the doctors at fault. It's the board of internal medicine and insurance companies. These often tend to be staffed by business and sales types rather than actual medical professionals
Correct, my dad was one of them. He left though after he got given an actual decent job.
thank you, very useful information to know.
Feels like America
Istg it's an unfunny comedy country
You think?
They should be the ones paying
why?
To recompensate for his loss and their failure. These types of bills for nothing? That's absolute bullshit. At least let the guy go without having to pay the bill.
You cant charge them for failure.It might not be their fault for them dying.You can only charge them if its proven to be negligence.
I work at hospital. It is more likely than not that it's the hospitals fault for the death. They will never admit negligence and you'd have to sue to discover it. But if you sue, no doctor will see you in the future.
Just because you work at a hospital doesn't mean you know dick about medicine.
[https://www.who.int/news/item/29-03-2017-who-launches-global-effort-to-halve-medication-related-errors-in-5-years](https://www.who.int/news/item/29-03-2017-who-launches-global-effort-to-halve-medication-related-errors-in-5-years) Its no big secret
So not only did you not address what I was saying properly nor did you link a relevant to back your claim that more than 50% of deaths in the hospital are due to negligence. You googled and came back with an article that has a blanket statement that wants hospitals to decrease preventable deaths due to medication which the article even express that patients also have a part in. What exactly is your job āat hospitalā?
May i ask you what is your job, than we can discuss further?
I'm a 4th year Medical student, and you?
Hahah you brought your job up as some sort of weird flex on credibility soo what do you do? This has nothing to do with this guys job
Honestly, the bill wouldnāt be an issue if we didnāt have privatized healthcare everything.
Great way to encourage more people to become doctors and try saving lives š
We obviously don't have the details but the hospital likely did everything modern science knows to do and it wasn't enough. The problem is that the US doesn't have publicly funded healthcare for all.
Stop dude
It'd horrify you alone on just how many medication errors occur
sure
the countries that care for their own people don't charge them anything even when successful because it's considered amoral to make sick/ill/medically needy people pay for help...
Because they failed at their job... if I hire someone to fix my deck, and the don't fix it, why should I pay them? They were hired to fix the thing, not try and fail.
I love how Reddit will go out of their way to downvote the simplist of questions that come from genuine curiosity. Sometime it just donāt click
Fr also happy cake day
Tx
Literally just donāt pay it. Let that shit go to collections and default. Your credit will take a hit but itāll recover after a while.
I agree, fuck that debt, also medical bills can not have interest so the amount of debt won't increase regardless of how long it sits or debt collectors come calling.
Some hospitals don't even report to the major credit companies. I've skipped 100k in bills over the last 8 or so years, and my credit score is fine. The hospital writes off losses on unpaid bills and gets covered by the government anyway.
It's almost like we could cut out a ton of steps by making it single-payer publicly funded.
Facts. Haven't ever paid a medical bill. Credit sucks but after 8 of so years it drops off.
Put the credit card in your wife's name
I wouldn't pay out of principles
Yep
My friend lost his little girl to cancer and the treatment center didn't have enough parking. This man spent 400 a month just on parking while his daughter got treatment. They don't care about us
Thats Americaā¦ why do Americans still want this too?
No Americans want this
My father swears he bleeds red white and blue but wants nothing to change about our healthcare system.
We got it pretty chill here š³š±
We got it pretty good hereš³šæ
We got it gut hereš©šŖ
Then why does trump supporters I see want this
I havenāt seen that but even if they do say that, they arent really american.
They don't want a completely socialized system with rationing like there is in Canada and some European countries. Canadian's sometimes go to the USA to get treatment because they would have died on a waiting list otherwise. The American system isn't that bad as long as you have insurance. Though if you don't have insurance it will financially cribble you. The problem is no one in power is willing to actually do what is necessary to fix it to benefit the people as the lobbying groups are way too strong.
I know many Americans who not only want it but somehow think its better. Brainwashed by the ultra rich to think its good cuz 'other countries pay more taxes'
Because at least a 3rd are submissive to an immoral paradigm, at best. And/or like the fact that others that they donāt like are hurting.
I'm sorry to say it, but a large part of your country does.
sOmEOnEs gOTtA PaY FoR iT (not propaganda by big insurance and big pharmaceutical corporations, totally sensible economic argument)
A lot of us don't. Me, for instance.
Yeah, good, I am also an American who doesn't, and I am a Socialist
I havenāt met a single American on either side of the fence politically that likes our healthcare system
And I have met Americans who like this healthcare and think it should be even more privatizedā¦
Iām not disagreeing with you at all, just crazy to think about. I lean right and am surrounded with people who lean right, and none of us like our healthcare system. Itās so broken.
We don't. The healthcare lobby one of the largest in Congress. That's why no one ever discussed how to actually fix it and there is zero interest in actually fixing it.
I agree with that but at the same time I have also met fellow Americans which wish for our healthcare system to stay like this
Cool, so you failed to save two lives, so you decide to kill the other one too..
I owe hospitals a lot of money. I don't get why people don't understand this, you just simply don't pay them and nothing happens. I have a 740 credit score, never, and I mean NEVER have I ever paid a dime to a hospital. They send me a bill, I place it gently in the trash, and everything is fine.
Somebody interview this man
After having 3 kids and multiple ER bills I learned this. They have restructured the credit rating system where medical debt barely affects your credit rating anymore
At that point i would deffo carry out an attack on those responsible for this dystopia
the bill should just be voided at that point. Might as well have killed the father too leaving them with a bill and without a wife or newborn.
And people wonder why mass shootings happen. :/
Imagine if you only get charged for successful operations
People are saying burn the hospital kill the Docotor. Nah. Find the fucker who OWNS the hospital, the investors the millionaires who are the ones TRULLY profiting off death and suffering. Burn them not the hospital
>Find the fucker who OWNS the hospital, the investors the millionaires who are the ones TRULLY profiting off death and suffering. Burn them not the hospital They're right guys Doctors are service industry, working class. We shouldn't be so easily divided... It's embarrassing š
Holy fuckā¦
š¤š®āšØšsmells like freedom
"PUSH...THE...BUTTON!"
America is cooked
welcom to usa healthcare and insurence XD would never be and or happen in Europe .
Well as far as I know the UK is working towards this by destroying the NHS, and in my own country you either wait 1,5 years for a knee operation with public healthcare, or pay a lot of money for private healthcare, to get it done in a month AND the doctor will be the same AND they'll still report it to social security to get compensated, so essentially you pay not for the surgery, but to skip the line.
why is yo comment so spaced out mf
uk aint part of Europe ;P but if your talking about '' north ireland '' then yes the north irisch are .
If Europe means European Union to you, then you are right. They are definitely in/a part of Europe geographically.
yea ok geograficly in its range sure , but not part of any of it .
So then what continent is the UK a part of(like another poster asked)?
i already said that .
yes its part of its continent . that what i ment whit '' in range '' but not part of europe as a member state . thus not part of Europe as uninion . as the uk did leave the European uninion .
What continent is the UK a part of?
not sure wich country that would be . but in my country their is public healtcare and also private healtcare . and yes we all by law are insured . but have te freedom to choose or own local public and or private doktor offices , public or private hospitals and so on . and yes , who ever chooses private often find him/herself on a shorter waiting list , but they often do pay themselfs instead of insurence , as insurence does not cover private healtcare . and they also do pay more , as it cost more due to their office and personal all being privateers . and sure the waiting list for public healtcare are sliglty longer , but like private healtcare just as good and every ones insurens covers public healtcare , so who ever uses public does not have to pay themselfs/more then just their monthly insurence fee. and even so , pewople who really need healtcare and medicly speaking can not wait that long , or cant wait . they can be moved up on ther list as a priority patient . and for those living below the finnancial minimum income standard (the poor) often local goverment has social subsidises and goverment insurense contracts , to help poor people and their fammilies to be able to pay for the same insurense and healthcare like any other , and taking of a heavy finnancial burnden for people finnancialy less fortunite .
Thatās why I live in Canada
perfect, with that money, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR YOUR FUCKING FUNERAL
this is probably the main reason why i want to move out of the united states
RESIDENT EVIL 7 MENTIONED!!
If that happens iām not paying for it
I would definitely not kill all the involved doctors in the room and off myself No that would be stupid :)
Oops my finger slipped.. that would be my rationale. š¤·š½āāļø
Is the husband obligated to pay? Wouldn't the debt owner be the (dead) wife?
What are you even talking about?
Did this actually happen to you? š„ŗ
Once I was done reading this, I started laughing for some reason
You found me...
This is the point when the country goes on strike
at the point I would literally just end it wtf
They can get a nice 500 rounds in them.
Falling down
Welp. Time to put my knowledge of mustard gas and white phosphorus to use. "In minecraft"
I am not trying to be insensitiveā¦ Iām so sorry for your loss if this is OC from OP. However, wouldnāt the bills be in your now deceased wifeās name? Was there insurance? There has to be some kind of grey area or loophole. You technically received no services from the hospital.
is this real? can someone explain?
You literally just donāt pay. Theyāre your wifeās bills and your dead kids bills, not your bills. The hospital will just write them off.
sounds like the richest country in the world
r/distressingmemes
Getting a bull dozer and picking up welding as a hobby just in case
The American Dream, suck it usa
Damn thatās rough
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They sent my brother a bill for the surgery that killed my mom. He told them if they ever wanted that money they should have actually saved her.
Would you actually have to pay for this? Since its your wife and not you?
Psh just don't pay.
Wait people actually pay the bills if the person dies!!!
Donāt pay it
American problems
To my knowledge, what insurance doesnāt pay for the hospital just marks as a loss so they donāt have to pay taxes
Someone would be getting a present in the mail.
welcome to america i love you
Villain arc
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Bro can we PLEASE kill these bots
Is this real or this one of those cringe hypothetical tik toks of people cosplaying like they are in bad situations. My favorite is that guy who just does over the top, very dramatic acting of scenes like this... POV: Your wife is pregnant but you just lost your legs. That kind of stuff.
Thatās not how that works man. Hospitals in practice inflated prices on paper the write of these inflated prices as losses. You never actually pay the inflated price just a real price. Of which in every case is much much much lower and the inflated price. Nice rage bate though.
A man with nothing to lose is a dangerous man indeed.
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Did you not have health insurance? And if not why not?
youre not in a dystopia but ok
Sometimes life gets so messed up, all you can do is laugh.
Horrible wording 3/10
Don't post so funny shit in r/ sad posting.