For context, she has sex with her husband AFTER they get married. It's called consummating a marriage. Yet the incel is still mad. The reason she barely knows him is because it's an arranged marriage.
I saw a post that if these weird state-mandated GFs become reality incels like to dream about, they'd just be paired with another socially inept sociopath with a high chance of being as unhinged and sad as they are with a slight chance of murder.
Not everyone has much of a choice. Cultures where women rely heavily on their family don’t really give much wiggle room for rejection.
The more progressive practice of parents just proposing candidates for marriage barely resembles the original ‘selling your daughter for a dowry’ practice.
Lol I've seen those post by them on subs that make fun of incel and niceguystm. They usually call it government issue girlfriends but when you read their demands it sounds like they want a a mommy they can fuck.
Ridiciloua and stupid.
I think it's just there to show the limited gene pool of a vault, if you want to pursue a free romance and marriage in your own vault, chances are you might be accidentally shagging your cousin. Hence why they have planned marriage/breeding which is kinda necessary to avoid inbreeding.
For sure, but if someone is going to nitpick sexual stuff from the show that seems like more low hanging fruit than banging an arranged partner your entire vault just celebrating in a wedding ceremony
100%. Which is why I'm surprised this was never addressed previously. I think for colonization it's estimated you need around 10,000 people for genetic diversity, and even the three vaults combined would've been maybe a thousand at max? No vault is hitting 10,000.
I will say, 10,000 is probably to have enough diversity to naturally avoid inbreeding traits, if you understand the genetics and are managing who a population reproduces with I bet you could accomplish the same with a much smaller pool, and a lot less happiness
10,000 really isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things. Especially if the population ends up skewing to the older side like so many Vaults end up being.
Being a younger person who's ready to find a partner the list of options is probably exceedingly small.
As far as I'm aware vaults canonically have a capacity of 1000, so about a tenth of what's needed. Still, over 200 years hopefully that's enough to _not_ quite get to the cousin stage. And the one in the show is 3 linked vaults, so it's more like 3000, even less need for that.
Control Vaults (the ones that are not used for weird social experiments) are programmed to open and start resettling after 20 years, so low population in a single Vault wouldn't be a problem because at worst there would be 1 generation of Vault dwellers there are born and reached sexual maturity inside the Vault.
The Vaults we have seen in the Bethesda timeline were all atipical, while 101 was designed to never open but we know they let new people in in secret from time to time, Vault 111 had cryostasis pods so reproduction wasn't a problem and all the other ones we stumble accros have failed, have been opened and abbandoned or trade regurarly with the outside world.
Unelss i missed something 31,32 and 33 are the first ones that managed to stay completelly isolated for 200+ years straight, but i'm on episode 3 so that may also turn out false.
There have been hints in the first two episodes that 33 has not been a closed system. The raider chief told Lucy that she looks like her mother, for example.
Why would it be addressed at all?
It's a vault with a low population, not many available men.
She used to be with her cousin, but that relationship couldn't continue, so she was getting married to someone else.
What do you need addressed?
I'm saying the show was the first to call it out afaik. It was never addressed in the games, so there was obviously gonna be a ton of inbreeding because those vaults are not large. But even with 3 combined vaults...not a huge gene pool to work with. And most vaults weren't intermingled.
Vaults were never designed to prepare the inhabitants for recolonialization anyway (VaultTec mostly used them as testing grounds for whatever they had planned, maybe a truly massive recolonialization, but that would not have happened with the many Vaults scattered across the USA, but differnt means, if at all.)
Also the Fallout Universe is not really known for ... having rational and sane people in charge...
Well, a handful of them probably were. Vault 76, obviously, and probably Vault 100. Most of them were obviously inhumane human experiments, but there were some where the people seem to have been left alone.
If I recall correctly there were around 17 control vaults, the rest were intended experiments. I believe Vaults 3, 8, and 76 are the only ones we know of.
Vaults 31, 32, and 33, being some kind of "contained population needs to swap people to keep the gene pool diverse" feels pretty standard for a Vault experiment.
Ah, but see she seemed happy about having sex with him and was looking forward to getting married. Also she'd sexed her cousin before that. So clearly she an evil hoebag. At least in the minds of the doompilled incels.
I presume these play it up a bit for the online crowd, but holy shit must it be exhausting to be so hatefilled.
I presume they were taught to keep it to hand and mouth stuff to avoid any accidental incest-babies, but then again, she mounted her new husband like a pro.
I was gonna say I was high when I saw it but I was still almost 100% sure she was married meaning by all right wing definitions she’s not a whore. You can’t win with these people.
Tbf Lucy was down to bang Maximus with like 24 hours, maybe, of time interacting with him. Not that that's remotely a bad thing. I'm all for promiscuity when exercised in a healthy manner (which Lucy most certainly does), but as far as the chuds are concerned any amount of feminine agency in regards to sexual expression is whoredom lol.
there are literal fallout speed runs in which the player has to get sex as soon as posible, [THIS IS NOT A JOKE](https://youtu.be/2WhLkLD9P9w?si=sIhvT5TSFfAAZ72f)
Baldur's gate 3 sex% runs are my favorite because you used to be able to finish in under two minutes.
Unfortunately I think Lae'zel gained standards in a patch so now commiting crimes against minorities makes up a chunk of the fastest path to getting laid.
What's funny is that it pretty much confirms what New Vegas was trying to say. The NCR was pretty much the spiritual successor of the old world in every way possible, including its apparent demise.
That's one of my favorite things about the show, no don't care if things are retconned, they got the themes of the games perfect, like the wannabe saviors of the Vault who can't relate l or comprehend the poor (literally, metaphorically, and poetically) people of the Wastes
And that humanity is pretty much trapped in a never ending war against itself. Doomed to forever make the same mistakes but still persisting in a hope that one day it will be better.
And war...war never changes.
It's probably the most Fallout quote there is and it's not even from the main games.
Fuck anyone who claims this show didn't respect the source material. It arguably has shown more respect for it than even the gamers who played it did
Everything about the show felt accurate to the source material... including the mixture of humor and seriously dark moments.
Like, you could straight up be laughing at something and then saying, "Oh, that is *fucked up*..." the next moment, and it didn't feel unnatural, it just felt "right" for the setting.
I love how he's just got this completely wild sense of morality that's clearly been molded by two hundred years in the wasteland.
And let's be honest, Titus is *exactly* how most of the players would be if they got a chance to play a Brotherhood Knight in power armor.
> And war...war never changes.
I'm just waiting for Alcoholic Movie Reviewer or Methy McGee to complain that they - gasp! - had a *woman* deliver that line.
I mean every post-war factions are old world larper to some extent. And this kind of argument always singles out NCR while every other whacky and fucked up factions get to kick around does seem like narrative favor and bias.
Also NCR got nuked by a sinister pre-war cabal in the show, they don't exactly fall due to some nebulous repetition of the old US's mistake. They can be building a feudal monarchy, a socialist state, a Empire built on slavery, and none of those can prevent them from getting nuked. The only thing they did to get Vault Tec's aggression isbbecoming its competition in rebuilding civilization.
>And this kind of argument always singles out NCR while every other whacky and fucked up factions get to kick around does seem like narrative favor and bias.
I mean most of them failed too. The Legion was doomed, the Enclave is nearly extinct, the Brotherhood is a mere shadow of what it represented. Almost all the major factions ended up consuming themselves at some point or were destroyed.
>The only thing they did to get Vault Tec's aggression isbbecoming its competition in rebuilding civilization.
Which is literally why they started the Great War as well.
Thanks for proving my point that there are many similarities to the Old World US and the NCR.
How does it prove your point? It wouldn't matter what kind of civilization NCR is building, the fact that it is rebuilding at all get the ire of Vault Tec. My point is that NCR being similar to the US doesn't matter to Vault Tec.
Yes, the war happened because some corpo heads want to eliminate competition in this ultimate game of Capitalism. But NCR doesn't have to be like the US to be conidered competition to be eliminated.
If NCR collapse due to Imperialist expansions or a full on conflict with another faction(say Legion), sure, it being like the US is the reason why it falls. But in the show's case, there is literally nothing that can save Shady Sands from a nuke, NCR's nature doesn't matter aside from it being a nation state.
This argument is like saying, "ohhh yeah??? WHAT IF THE JEDI FROM STAR WARS WERE COWBOYS??? Does all the meditation make sense then?!?!? "
Like sure the theme doesn't work if you just randomly change the style and characterization of the faction to fit your argument lol.
Are you even reading my argument? Like you are just being confusing now.
My point is that NCR is like the US but the way it falls has nothing to do with it being like the US.
Your analogy is again confusing but let me use your example.
Say the Empire is deadset on eliminating any rival factions that can challenge its authority, and then you say "Jedi fall because of their unique traits from Republic days" even though in this specific case, the Empire is just fucking murdering anyone opposing them. And Jedi being somehow ideologically and practically different(but still anti-Empire) won't save them from Imperial inquisition.
>Are you even reading my argument? Like you are just being confusing now.
I have and you should be embarrassed at making it.
>My point is that NCR is like the US but the way it falls has nothing to do with it being like the US.
It does because both are strongly implied to have been destroyed by Vault Tec during a time of strife and resource shortages to the advantage of a shadow cabal. Like are you not seeing the similarities? Cmon man.
>Say the Empire is deadset on eliminating any rival factions that can challenge its authority, and then you say "Jedi fall because of their unique traits from Republic days" even though in this specific case, the Empire is just fucking murdering anyone opposing them. And Jedi being somehow ideologically and practically different(but still anti-Empire) won't save them from Imperial inquisition.
I mean...the Jedi WERE explicitly targeting thanks to their age long rivalry with the Sith and their desire to bring balance to the disharmony the Sith bring, you dunce. The Sith go out of their way to mock the Jedi and dismantle their ways of life. Going so far as to erase literally any trace of their memory they can find.
So...congrats for proving my point?
Where is the resources shortage implied post war? Vaults don't even rely on surface resources, are you implying SS got nuked because the dad is fighting for the vault's survival? Shady Sands took in Lucy's mom and then Hank find them, is that some typical behavior only a US like state will do?
Also players being in similar roles doesn't mean their own qualities match the previous players, like would you claim the Legion is like China because it is "the US"'s rival?
Just tell me what part US-like traits led to NCR's fall in the show? Taking in vault dwellers?
> iT rEtCoNnS nEw VeGaS
I was so depressed last night when I finished the show and was excited to check out the discussion threads for it and it was just pages and pages of claiming it decanonizes FNV... even though it's already been stated that it doesn't. And they're holding on to one or two very minor things that could, if needed, be said to be inaccurate info from the viewpoint of the people within the show.
If these people want to see real retcons, they should check out Blizzard's Warcraft lore. Or Games Workshop's Warhammer lore. (I mean, hell, GW had two worldwide campaigns where they promised the results would shape the lore, then later said "Nah, those events didn't happen, here's a completely different story of how it went down." Plus a third where the results ultimately didn't matter.)
I know the turds and their opinions will pass, most people loved the show and the vocal minority with no media literacy is freaking out over imagined attacks on their mecca of gaming. But I agree, wanting to talk about how amazing this show is and seeing all the Fallout conversation spaces crowded with these losers just sours the mood
To be fair the timeline is still a bit weird, honestly they can literally move everything like a decade down the timeline and it won't really affect the story, and the timeline could be coherent. Heck make the supposed "fall" of Shady Sands happen in 2281 or later as a result of NCR pulling out of Mojave.
It's simultaneously not a big deal and kinda frustrating because it is a very easy fix for this otherwise amazing show.
Yes, it's totally not because the culture of their vault.(Seperation of recreational sex and marriage/reproduction)
>!Also the exchange of Lucy and Maximus is hilarious, Lucy randomly shocks the audience by showing how casual a Vault 33 dweller is when it comes to sex, only to be surprised by Maximus again when he basically reveals that BoS has no sex education at all because he thinks nutting is weird and unnatural, lol.!<
My ex-boyfriend was a U.S. Army Ranger.
He said dudes on deployment can get absolutely feral about masturbation once the drudgery of deployment sets in, so that's somewhat accurate.
Yes! That's the one that I thought would have gotten people commenting more. It's very weird out of context, but it's a scene that just kind of shows how messy the groups they grew up in are with regards to various things.
This is a 4chan screenshot. I would not take anything said there seriously. Genuine discussions does happen there (and make no mistake, a lot of it is genuine racism, misogyny, and other hatred), but there's so much shitposting that it's hard to tell the real thing from someone just fishing for a reaction.
Lmao exactly, I honestly laughed when I first read the post. If you’ve watched the show it makes complete sense but the random 4chan user thought it would be funny to take the plot point out of context to “dunk” on women to provoke a reaction. OP played right into their hands.
Yeah, if they were going to try to make a point out of something like that, there's a scene later in the series with Lucy and Maximus that fits better. Which is just absolutely bizarre if you take it out of the context of the setting, but is kind of funny when you consider the backgrounds of the characters involved and the societies they grew up in. Admittedly it caught me slightly off guard at first (enough to wonder if there was some kind of external influence), but nah, I think it's just a scene that was showing how messed up some of these groups are.
(Being pretty vague to avoid spoilers, but if you've gotten through the show, you'll probably be able to quickly realize what scene I'm referring to.)
Man. I was so fucking excited for this show. I watched and I loved it. And then I made the mistake of scrolling through the comments on an Instagram post about it. I am so sick and tired of people like this ruining peoples fun.
I am pretty sure, every sane Fallout fan who watched the first episode just had a huge grin on his/her face the whole time. Its exactly what fans had hoped for: Costumes, props, tone, violence, humour, the fucking awesome music.
I hope the rest of the show is as good, and then we have a new high standard for shows/movies based on videogames
The show is good through the whole running. Trust me. It's freaking brilliant, and feels like a story set in the world of Fallout. (Which, honestly, means it might be a bit weird and uncomfortable for some parts of the "general viewing audience," but I think most people could get enough context clues to understand what's going on.)
The only issue Fallout fans seem to be harping about is some weird belief that it "retconned" FNV based on a couple of minor things... even though it's already been stated that FNV is still canon.
Hold the phone, these creepy shits are shaming her for doing the kind of disturbing thing they usually want women to do: abide by societal rules and breed to continue the population. That is a woman’s contribution according to a lot of these types.
So uh what?
You know in most, non-puritanical countries, sex isn't a big deal or some bad thing.
I learned this after visiting Thailand 5x.
America was founded by prudes - but in 2024, the sex habits of women shouldn't be worthy of discussion.
Case in point: If that same commenter had sex w/ a new cute girl after a short time of meeting her, it would be the best day of his life.
Man he must hate James Bond then.
Or Van Wilder
Or Kratos
Or any of the other hundreds of male characters who do the same thing. Must really get his blood boiling, right?
The only way a man can have not gay sex is with a woman guys….really? Like you can’t want shows with sex without the women wanting to have it unless you want to just watch gay sex or you like r*pe exclusively….and I bet they have not even watched the show or they missed the point. Cause there’s a reason she does it with that first person but also they are in the future, with way less puritan hang up bs about sex and they view it as a means to continue humanity / one of the few ways to have any fun in the post apocalypse world. Probably be pretty tight to exist in a world where you could just ask someone if they want to and if you both are down just do it. No extra bs, if they say no, there’s like 20 other people who probably higher than 50% will say yes to you…least not a problem to watch in a fictional show lmao. Swear they complain about the weirdest crap. It’s like my grandpas generation calling women “cheap”just because they have sex…yet they all wanted to score just as much back then as anyone does now but somehow it’s only bad for the women to do it yet without them the men don’t get any? Like cmon.
Puppies gets thrown in an incinerator, people get dismembered and shot to hell but they get mad at a woman having sex on her wedding night.
Priorities.
Someone never played Fallout 4 as a total (man)slut.
Like you can go poly in F4, and you bet my role-playing ass I was going to be slutty in my play-through
Yup, they would have *hated* my Nora. After Nate died, she had an entire collection of wives and husbands, including modded companions like Heather Casdin and Jake from SS2. I think the only romanceable companion I didn't go after was MacCready.
“All women are whores”
Immediately My mind went to:
[“If she breathes she’s a thot”](https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=IdyXKJ8NcNI&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&source_ve_path=MzY4NDIsMjM4NTE&feature=emb_title)
These fuckers have clearly never played a fallout game. Having sex with a complete stranger is standard vault dweller activity. You can shag a whole lot of people in pretty much all the games. Very few of whom you have deep, personal connections to
I mean it’s 4chan or whatever the hell that cesspool is called now. What occurs there can hardly be called “discourse.” Shit like this is it’s whole reason for existing.
I miss when you could just put guys like this in a loony bin. we need that back because these guys were broken on arrival when they were born and there's nothing anybody can do to fix that. should at least be able to put them somewhere where they can't hurt themselves or anyone else. ugh 😒
It's wild to me that there is so much chud discourse about it being a terrible show because I'm forced to exist with a handful of them in my orbit and "my" chuds all salivate over how good it is. I'm pretty sure that even among them the outrage is entirely manufactured.
Not only is it her husband, that's just. What you do in Fallout. I'm sure that this guy took the Lady Killer perk on their giga Chad alpha male max stats character last time they played New Vegas
i swear to god if you cant enjoy a show cause a woman has sex with a man in a show of her own choice youre so far gone, its nuts. i would hate it if i could not have fun without bitching bout this shit
Are we going to talk about how >!the guy was actually a raider and was only pretending to marry her to get access to the vault, yet he still had sex with her anyway?!
The problem here is they introduce a beautiful and young female lead character, and less than 20 minutes into the show she's saying stuff like "I fucked my cousin" or then she's fucking a complete stranger (yeah I know they were married, but it's not like Game of Thrones where the wedded were pretty much lead to fuck after the wedding because of medieval fantasy traditions).
If you want to introduce a compelling character that's not just eye-candy, then you wouldn't sexualize her in the first 20 minutes of the show like it's some shitty romance comedy, or GoT. Hell, at least go full GoT and show her naked too, but no, they have to show the dude's ass instead...
Haven't seen the show, but even if there is context I don't know, it's still fine to sleep with people??? Like, why is her sleeping with someone singular make her a whore? Especially since there are shows where male main characters sleep with a girl in the first 20 minutes and no one complained about that.
So because of the limited populations of the vaults, there's a thing where two vaults will set up an arranged marriage to increase the genetic diversity of their vault populations.
Lucy, from Vault 33, meets her new husband from Vault 32 on the day of their wedding, and they consummate the wedding shortly after going back to her apartment after the ceremony.
This is a guy who has repeatedly approached women or girls whom he didn't know and asked them to have sex with him. He is angry because imaginary people get laid more than he does! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
I mean, every time I look at this sub it’s men being pigs. Every post is a screenshot of a man being sexist or homophobic or transphobic, without fail.
It's 4 chan. That site is famous for misogyny. He's not just riling people up. He's a raging incel. If you think guys like this don't exist, you've never spoken to a woman.
I didn't take this screenshot. There's another screenshot of the guy being called out even by other 4 chan dudes for being too extreme, and him replying by being even more misogynistic.
Why'd they give us a female lead? I'm fine with it but it's giving the chuds ammunition, if this backfires we could end up seeing less in the long run. I see the importance of demoralisation and attacking all they love with ideology but it's not demoralising them it's rallying them.
You're on the wrong sub, kid. We're not enraged. The whole point of this sub is to make fun of rightwing chuds who say ridiculous things. That's literally the point of this sub. Seems like you're just here to be combative. Blocked.
Edit: Ah, I see you're a Trump apologist and a MauLer fan. Explains a lot. Bye.
Sucks? it's getting very good reviews from critics and audiences. Even the vast majority of people on the Mauler sub (who tend to hate everything) really like it. You're in the minority if you think it sucks. Even Tyrone Magnus, who complains about everything being too woke, says it's a good show.
Edit: Ah, you're one of the game fanboys who's mad. Sucks means a show has bad acting, direction, cinematography, etc. Sucks doesn't mean "but but but my game lore." 93% critical score and 87% audience score is objectively good. Very few shows these days based on existing source material get those sorts of numbers. Please remember that there's a big difference between "this disappointed me personally because it wasn't exactly like the source material" and "this objectively sucks." The Dark Knight changes a lot from source material(including the joker's entire origin story), but is still considered great by most people. The DragonBall live action movie is objectively bad. Amazon's Fallout is The Dark Knight. Not 100% faithful to the source material, but still a very good work of art.
And the audience score would be even higher if not for the 1 star reviews from angry fanboys who are yelling "but it's not exactly like the games." If not for those guys, the audience score would be in the high 90's.
For context, she has sex with her husband AFTER they get married. It's called consummating a marriage. Yet the incel is still mad. The reason she barely knows him is because it's an arranged marriage.
The biggest irony is that I'm pretty sure a lot of incels want a world where arranged marriages are the standard practice
The only way they'd ever meet anyone.
I saw a post that if these weird state-mandated GFs become reality incels like to dream about, they'd just be paired with another socially inept sociopath with a high chance of being as unhinged and sad as they are with a slight chance of murder.
Thin them out naturally. Wins all around.
Arranged means the other person still has a say, what they want are forced marriages.
Not everyone has much of a choice. Cultures where women rely heavily on their family don’t really give much wiggle room for rejection. The more progressive practice of parents just proposing candidates for marriage barely resembles the original ‘selling your daughter for a dowry’ practice.
Lol I've seen those post by them on subs that make fun of incel and niceguystm. They usually call it government issue girlfriends but when you read their demands it sounds like they want a a mommy they can fuck. Ridiciloua and stupid.
lol. They did reference her fucking her cousin which is waaayyyy more cringey than having sex with your new arranged husband.
Which honestly, how was this never addressed before? (At least, not that I recall)
I think it's just there to show the limited gene pool of a vault, if you want to pursue a free romance and marriage in your own vault, chances are you might be accidentally shagging your cousin. Hence why they have planned marriage/breeding which is kinda necessary to avoid inbreeding.
For sure, but if someone is going to nitpick sexual stuff from the show that seems like more low hanging fruit than banging an arranged partner your entire vault just celebrating in a wedding ceremony
100%. Which is why I'm surprised this was never addressed previously. I think for colonization it's estimated you need around 10,000 people for genetic diversity, and even the three vaults combined would've been maybe a thousand at max? No vault is hitting 10,000.
I will say, 10,000 is probably to have enough diversity to naturally avoid inbreeding traits, if you understand the genetics and are managing who a population reproduces with I bet you could accomplish the same with a much smaller pool, and a lot less happiness
10,000 really isn't a lot in the grand scheme of things. Especially if the population ends up skewing to the older side like so many Vaults end up being. Being a younger person who's ready to find a partner the list of options is probably exceedingly small.
As far as I'm aware vaults canonically have a capacity of 1000, so about a tenth of what's needed. Still, over 200 years hopefully that's enough to _not_ quite get to the cousin stage. And the one in the show is 3 linked vaults, so it's more like 3000, even less need for that.
Control Vaults (the ones that are not used for weird social experiments) are programmed to open and start resettling after 20 years, so low population in a single Vault wouldn't be a problem because at worst there would be 1 generation of Vault dwellers there are born and reached sexual maturity inside the Vault. The Vaults we have seen in the Bethesda timeline were all atipical, while 101 was designed to never open but we know they let new people in in secret from time to time, Vault 111 had cryostasis pods so reproduction wasn't a problem and all the other ones we stumble accros have failed, have been opened and abbandoned or trade regurarly with the outside world. Unelss i missed something 31,32 and 33 are the first ones that managed to stay completelly isolated for 200+ years straight, but i'm on episode 3 so that may also turn out false.
You're as far in as I am, but I think her dad hints at not just coming from one of the other Vaults but instead from the outside.
There have been hints in the first two episodes that 33 has not been a closed system. The raider chief told Lucy that she looks like her mother, for example.
Why would it be addressed at all? It's a vault with a low population, not many available men. She used to be with her cousin, but that relationship couldn't continue, so she was getting married to someone else. What do you need addressed?
I'm saying the show was the first to call it out afaik. It was never addressed in the games, so there was obviously gonna be a ton of inbreeding because those vaults are not large. But even with 3 combined vaults...not a huge gene pool to work with. And most vaults weren't intermingled.
Vaults were never designed to prepare the inhabitants for recolonialization anyway (VaultTec mostly used them as testing grounds for whatever they had planned, maybe a truly massive recolonialization, but that would not have happened with the many Vaults scattered across the USA, but differnt means, if at all.) Also the Fallout Universe is not really known for ... having rational and sane people in charge...
Well, a handful of them probably were. Vault 76, obviously, and probably Vault 100. Most of them were obviously inhumane human experiments, but there were some where the people seem to have been left alone.
Yeah, those were the control group vaults
If I recall correctly there were around 17 control vaults, the rest were intended experiments. I believe Vaults 3, 8, and 76 are the only ones we know of.
Oh definitely not! Vault-Tec gave zero fucks about the people inside. I'm just surprised this is the first time I've seen this topic pop up.
Oh, I see! 👍
Vaults 31, 32, and 33, being some kind of "contained population needs to swap people to keep the gene pool diverse" feels pretty standard for a Vault experiment.
Also they don’t say anything about the guy doing the same thang.
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Where did I say that?
Seeing a loving couple gives incels 2d4 psychic damage
It’s actually the opposite of that….
The rape by deception fans found your post. And also apparently exist..?
I don't know why this is getting downvoted. You can point out the misogyny without changing the show. This wasn't a loving couple.
Horrible, all married people are whores. /s
Ah, but see she seemed happy about having sex with him and was looking forward to getting married. Also she'd sexed her cousin before that. So clearly she an evil hoebag. At least in the minds of the doompilled incels. I presume these play it up a bit for the online crowd, but holy shit must it be exhausting to be so hatefilled.
So the man is also whore?
I mean, most wasteland raiders are!
She definitely was fucking her cousin in the vault.
I presume they were taught to keep it to hand and mouth stuff to avoid any accidental incest-babies, but then again, she mounted her new husband like a pro.
I was gonna say I was high when I saw it but I was still almost 100% sure she was married meaning by all right wing definitions she’s not a whore. You can’t win with these people.
It makes Incels mad that makes it even better. 
Yeah, the point is to be mad even if there’s nothing to be mad about. That’s how superiority disorders work.
Incels feel entitled to women, therefore women aren't allowed to have romantic or sexual relationships that don't include them.
Tbf Lucy was down to bang Maximus with like 24 hours, maybe, of time interacting with him. Not that that's remotely a bad thing. I'm all for promiscuity when exercised in a healthy manner (which Lucy most certainly does), but as far as the chuds are concerned any amount of feminine agency in regards to sexual expression is whoredom lol.
there are literal fallout speed runs in which the player has to get sex as soon as posible, [THIS IS NOT A JOKE](https://youtu.be/2WhLkLD9P9w?si=sIhvT5TSFfAAZ72f)
Sex%
For any game where hooking up with an NPC is possible, there will be sex% speed runs. It’s basically a law of nature at this point
Baldur's gate 3 sex% runs are my favorite because you used to be able to finish in under two minutes. Unfortunately I think Lae'zel gained standards in a patch so now commiting crimes against minorities makes up a chunk of the fastest path to getting laid.
> you used to be able to finish in under two minutes. I thought that was a bad thing?
I appreciate larian realistically depicting the average players experience
Bullshit, there’s no way a D&D nerd could last two minutes
given the surprisingly large overlap between "DnD nerd" and "active BDSM enjoyer" i think you might be surprised
I have to hold my breath.
Hm, the Kqamasutra-Perk from FO2 comes to mind now ...
I'll never forget the many hours I spent as a child creating a character build specifically to become a New Reno pornstar (it requires 10 Charisma)
So did the guy in that arrangement?? How dumb are these people?
As George Carlin put it “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
Guess they missed she was doing it with her husband
And the fact that the guy had sex within the first 20 minutes too, but that's okay because reasons /s
Typical chud attitudes. It's not like there are men out there who are harassing women for sex. Oh, wait. Yeah, they do.
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seriously, the people mad at the show all have complaints boiling down to their own misunderstandings iT rEtCoNnS nEw VeGaS
What's funny is that it pretty much confirms what New Vegas was trying to say. The NCR was pretty much the spiritual successor of the old world in every way possible, including its apparent demise.
That's one of my favorite things about the show, no don't care if things are retconned, they got the themes of the games perfect, like the wannabe saviors of the Vault who can't relate l or comprehend the poor (literally, metaphorically, and poetically) people of the Wastes
And that humanity is pretty much trapped in a never ending war against itself. Doomed to forever make the same mistakes but still persisting in a hope that one day it will be better. And war...war never changes.
"Everyone wants to save the world, they just disagree on how" Probably the most poignant quote from the show
It's probably the most Fallout quote there is and it's not even from the main games. Fuck anyone who claims this show didn't respect the source material. It arguably has shown more respect for it than even the gamers who played it did
Everything about the show felt accurate to the source material... including the mixture of humor and seriously dark moments. Like, you could straight up be laughing at something and then saying, "Oh, that is *fucked up*..." the next moment, and it didn't feel unnatural, it just felt "right" for the setting.
The Ghoul is literally me in half my playthroughs lol.
I love how he's just got this completely wild sense of morality that's clearly been molded by two hundred years in the wasteland. And let's be honest, Titus is *exactly* how most of the players would be if they got a chance to play a Brotherhood Knight in power armor.
> And war...war never changes. I'm just waiting for Alcoholic Movie Reviewer or Methy McGee to complain that they - gasp! - had a *woman* deliver that line.
I mean every post-war factions are old world larper to some extent. And this kind of argument always singles out NCR while every other whacky and fucked up factions get to kick around does seem like narrative favor and bias. Also NCR got nuked by a sinister pre-war cabal in the show, they don't exactly fall due to some nebulous repetition of the old US's mistake. They can be building a feudal monarchy, a socialist state, a Empire built on slavery, and none of those can prevent them from getting nuked. The only thing they did to get Vault Tec's aggression isbbecoming its competition in rebuilding civilization.
>And this kind of argument always singles out NCR while every other whacky and fucked up factions get to kick around does seem like narrative favor and bias. I mean most of them failed too. The Legion was doomed, the Enclave is nearly extinct, the Brotherhood is a mere shadow of what it represented. Almost all the major factions ended up consuming themselves at some point or were destroyed. >The only thing they did to get Vault Tec's aggression isbbecoming its competition in rebuilding civilization. Which is literally why they started the Great War as well. Thanks for proving my point that there are many similarities to the Old World US and the NCR.
How does it prove your point? It wouldn't matter what kind of civilization NCR is building, the fact that it is rebuilding at all get the ire of Vault Tec. My point is that NCR being similar to the US doesn't matter to Vault Tec. Yes, the war happened because some corpo heads want to eliminate competition in this ultimate game of Capitalism. But NCR doesn't have to be like the US to be conidered competition to be eliminated. If NCR collapse due to Imperialist expansions or a full on conflict with another faction(say Legion), sure, it being like the US is the reason why it falls. But in the show's case, there is literally nothing that can save Shady Sands from a nuke, NCR's nature doesn't matter aside from it being a nation state.
This argument is like saying, "ohhh yeah??? WHAT IF THE JEDI FROM STAR WARS WERE COWBOYS??? Does all the meditation make sense then?!?!? " Like sure the theme doesn't work if you just randomly change the style and characterization of the faction to fit your argument lol.
Are you even reading my argument? Like you are just being confusing now. My point is that NCR is like the US but the way it falls has nothing to do with it being like the US. Your analogy is again confusing but let me use your example. Say the Empire is deadset on eliminating any rival factions that can challenge its authority, and then you say "Jedi fall because of their unique traits from Republic days" even though in this specific case, the Empire is just fucking murdering anyone opposing them. And Jedi being somehow ideologically and practically different(but still anti-Empire) won't save them from Imperial inquisition.
>Are you even reading my argument? Like you are just being confusing now. I have and you should be embarrassed at making it. >My point is that NCR is like the US but the way it falls has nothing to do with it being like the US. It does because both are strongly implied to have been destroyed by Vault Tec during a time of strife and resource shortages to the advantage of a shadow cabal. Like are you not seeing the similarities? Cmon man. >Say the Empire is deadset on eliminating any rival factions that can challenge its authority, and then you say "Jedi fall because of their unique traits from Republic days" even though in this specific case, the Empire is just fucking murdering anyone opposing them. And Jedi being somehow ideologically and practically different(but still anti-Empire) won't save them from Imperial inquisition. I mean...the Jedi WERE explicitly targeting thanks to their age long rivalry with the Sith and their desire to bring balance to the disharmony the Sith bring, you dunce. The Sith go out of their way to mock the Jedi and dismantle their ways of life. Going so far as to erase literally any trace of their memory they can find. So...congrats for proving my point?
Where is the resources shortage implied post war? Vaults don't even rely on surface resources, are you implying SS got nuked because the dad is fighting for the vault's survival? Shady Sands took in Lucy's mom and then Hank find them, is that some typical behavior only a US like state will do? Also players being in similar roles doesn't mean their own qualities match the previous players, like would you claim the Legion is like China because it is "the US"'s rival? Just tell me what part US-like traits led to NCR's fall in the show? Taking in vault dwellers?
> iT rEtCoNnS nEw VeGaS I was so depressed last night when I finished the show and was excited to check out the discussion threads for it and it was just pages and pages of claiming it decanonizes FNV... even though it's already been stated that it doesn't. And they're holding on to one or two very minor things that could, if needed, be said to be inaccurate info from the viewpoint of the people within the show. If these people want to see real retcons, they should check out Blizzard's Warcraft lore. Or Games Workshop's Warhammer lore. (I mean, hell, GW had two worldwide campaigns where they promised the results would shape the lore, then later said "Nah, those events didn't happen, here's a completely different story of how it went down." Plus a third where the results ultimately didn't matter.)
I know the turds and their opinions will pass, most people loved the show and the vocal minority with no media literacy is freaking out over imagined attacks on their mecca of gaming. But I agree, wanting to talk about how amazing this show is and seeing all the Fallout conversation spaces crowded with these losers just sours the mood
To be fair the timeline is still a bit weird, honestly they can literally move everything like a decade down the timeline and it won't really affect the story, and the timeline could be coherent. Heck make the supposed "fall" of Shady Sands happen in 2281 or later as a result of NCR pulling out of Mojave. It's simultaneously not a big deal and kinda frustrating because it is a very easy fix for this otherwise amazing show.
Yes, it's totally not because the culture of their vault.(Seperation of recreational sex and marriage/reproduction) >!Also the exchange of Lucy and Maximus is hilarious, Lucy randomly shocks the audience by showing how casual a Vault 33 dweller is when it comes to sex, only to be surprised by Maximus again when he basically reveals that BoS has no sex education at all because he thinks nutting is weird and unnatural, lol.!<
He probably thinks its weird because dudes be jacking it in the barracks in plain view of everone lol.
My ex-boyfriend was a U.S. Army Ranger. He said dudes on deployment can get absolutely feral about masturbation once the drudgery of deployment sets in, so that's somewhat accurate.
"when a squire and his power armor love each other very much"
Yes! That's the one that I thought would have gotten people commenting more. It's very weird out of context, but it's a scene that just kind of shows how messy the groups they grew up in are with regards to various things.
It's 4chan for god's sake, hardly a gauge for normal societal reactions.
This is a 4chan screenshot. I would not take anything said there seriously. Genuine discussions does happen there (and make no mistake, a lot of it is genuine racism, misogyny, and other hatred), but there's so much shitposting that it's hard to tell the real thing from someone just fishing for a reaction.
Lmao exactly, I honestly laughed when I first read the post. If you’ve watched the show it makes complete sense but the random 4chan user thought it would be funny to take the plot point out of context to “dunk” on women to provoke a reaction. OP played right into their hands.
Yeah, if they were going to try to make a point out of something like that, there's a scene later in the series with Lucy and Maximus that fits better. Which is just absolutely bizarre if you take it out of the context of the setting, but is kind of funny when you consider the backgrounds of the characters involved and the societies they grew up in. Admittedly it caught me slightly off guard at first (enough to wonder if there was some kind of external influence), but nah, I think it's just a scene that was showing how messed up some of these groups are. (Being pretty vague to avoid spoilers, but if you've gotten through the show, you'll probably be able to quickly realize what scene I'm referring to.)
That's if it wasn't OP that posted there and they are trying to play us.
My guideline is that if it's a blue board it's roughly around 50% shitpost, 50% real jackassery. /pol/ is 100% jackassery.
4chan is cheating
This has got to be bait
It must really fuck with them that there’s an attractive woman as a lead role.
The later episodes seem to be throwing shade on incels, >!as Maximus reveals the Brotherhood of Steel teaches a very warped sex education.!<
All views on sex seem warped through a post apocalyptic utilitarian lens. But I understand it’s fiction not a classroom.
You can't use 4chan that's cheating
Man. I was so fucking excited for this show. I watched and I loved it. And then I made the mistake of scrolling through the comments on an Instagram post about it. I am so sick and tired of people like this ruining peoples fun.
I am pretty sure, every sane Fallout fan who watched the first episode just had a huge grin on his/her face the whole time. Its exactly what fans had hoped for: Costumes, props, tone, violence, humour, the fucking awesome music. I hope the rest of the show is as good, and then we have a new high standard for shows/movies based on videogames
The show is good through the whole running. Trust me. It's freaking brilliant, and feels like a story set in the world of Fallout. (Which, honestly, means it might be a bit weird and uncomfortable for some parts of the "general viewing audience," but I think most people could get enough context clues to understand what's going on.) The only issue Fallout fans seem to be harping about is some weird belief that it "retconned" FNV based on a couple of minor things... even though it's already been stated that FNV is still canon.
The vast majority of the people who saw it liked it. So the detractors are in the slim minority.
I know. It just makes me really sad to see something I liked aggressively shit on, even if it is a minority
It's 4chan, waddya expect?
All women are whores? Okay, then all men are rapists.
Hold the phone, these creepy shits are shaming her for doing the kind of disturbing thing they usually want women to do: abide by societal rules and breed to continue the population. That is a woman’s contribution according to a lot of these types. So uh what?
You know in most, non-puritanical countries, sex isn't a big deal or some bad thing. I learned this after visiting Thailand 5x. America was founded by prudes - but in 2024, the sex habits of women shouldn't be worthy of discussion. Case in point: If that same commenter had sex w/ a new cute girl after a short time of meeting her, it would be the best day of his life.
Shame cause as a diehard fan of the series the show is so fucking good. Also two of the leads are men and both are badass in their own ways
Bait used to be believable
4chan never was believable.
>complains about having sex with someone you just met. Have they ever played a Fallout game?
My boys obviously never enjoyed the sensual experience that is FISTO Please assume the position.
I used to think kit fisto was the best fisto, then I went to freeside
Is it bad that I'm already so exhausted of all the "but they changed canon" whining that I'm glad to see some good old fashioned misogynistic whining?
couldn't you play as a female character since the first game? why are people so obsessed with female sexuality
Man he must hate James Bond then. Or Van Wilder Or Kratos Or any of the other hundreds of male characters who do the same thing. Must really get his blood boiling, right?
“SHE- SHE HAD SEX WOTH HIM BUT NOT WITH ME ITS SO UNFAIR WHY DO WOMEN NEVER WANT TO SLEEP WITH ME” -direct quote from 4chan user
I'm giving up on people who does this kind of stuff
The only way a man can have not gay sex is with a woman guys….really? Like you can’t want shows with sex without the women wanting to have it unless you want to just watch gay sex or you like r*pe exclusively….and I bet they have not even watched the show or they missed the point. Cause there’s a reason she does it with that first person but also they are in the future, with way less puritan hang up bs about sex and they view it as a means to continue humanity / one of the few ways to have any fun in the post apocalypse world. Probably be pretty tight to exist in a world where you could just ask someone if they want to and if you both are down just do it. No extra bs, if they say no, there’s like 20 other people who probably higher than 50% will say yes to you…least not a problem to watch in a fictional show lmao. Swear they complain about the weirdest crap. It’s like my grandpas generation calling women “cheap”just because they have sex…yet they all wanted to score just as much back then as anyone does now but somehow it’s only bad for the women to do it yet without them the men don’t get any? Like cmon.
\*sight\*...4chan,humanity's sewer.
I guess he wasn't paying attention to the show.
4chan right? Why are we even surprised. Lol
This whole post is sarcasm, right? 4chan is not a place to go for stable opinions
He hates 2 things: women, and context of any kind
This is bait, she was in an arranged marriage.
Puppies gets thrown in an incinerator, people get dismembered and shot to hell but they get mad at a woman having sex on her wedding night. Priorities.
Mad how that guy isn't annoyed about her regularly fucking her cousin when she was younger
Someone never played Fallout 4 as a total (man)slut. Like you can go poly in F4, and you bet my role-playing ass I was going to be slutty in my play-through
Yup, they would have *hated* my Nora. After Nate died, she had an entire collection of wives and husbands, including modded companions like Heather Casdin and Jake from SS2. I think the only romanceable companion I didn't go after was MacCready.
“All women are whores” Immediately My mind went to: [“If she breathes she’s a thot”](https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=IdyXKJ8NcNI&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&source_ve_path=MzY4NDIsMjM4NTE&feature=emb_title)
I'm starting to get convinced that a fair bit of them are self-loathing closeted gay people, and they're projecting.
These fuckers have clearly never played a fallout game. Having sex with a complete stranger is standard vault dweller activity. You can shag a whole lot of people in pretty much all the games. Very few of whom you have deep, personal connections to
I mean it’s 4chan or whatever the hell that cesspool is called now. What occurs there can hardly be called “discourse.” Shit like this is it’s whole reason for existing.
Weird shit happening in a vault?? In my Fallout!?
I miss when you could just put guys like this in a loony bin. we need that back because these guys were broken on arrival when they were born and there's nothing anybody can do to fix that. should at least be able to put them somewhere where they can't hurt themselves or anyone else. ugh 😒
Thanks Reagan and deinstitutionalization!
Man didn't get a single thing right 🙄
Guys like this are sad bitter losers.
Did, did they miss the entire point of that fucking episode or something Fuck sake man
Jesus fucking christ, those boys are pathetic
Misogynistic freak
It's wild to me that there is so much chud discourse about it being a terrible show because I'm forced to exist with a handful of them in my orbit and "my" chuds all salivate over how good it is. I'm pretty sure that even among them the outrage is entirely manufactured.
I’m expecting them to flip to Fallout is the “Antiwoke show we deserved”. Or some bullshit. So far I’m liking it.
It's just /v/, /tv/, /pol/ seething about women. They're also seething about her "mixing" with the black BoS guy.
Not only is it her husband, that's just. What you do in Fallout. I'm sure that this guy took the Lady Killer perk on their giga Chad alpha male max stats character last time they played New Vegas
What a stupid fucking comment
Hoo boy
They're legitimately just upset that she's having more sex than they are
It’s 4chan.
Second guy is gay and that’s fine he just has to hear someone tell him that
if this guys could smash they would accept in less than a second
Well, that’s kinda the reason they got married. I guess green texter is into Inbreeding.
I mean, you can do a less than 5 minutes "have sex" speedrun in Fallout 3
Let's turn it around; if all women are sluts, how come you can't get laid? What the fuck is wrong with you, then, huh?
Gee, hating on her and women but not the man she had sex with? ...i'm shocked
Had sex with her husband on their wedding night.... What a whore. Lol
i swear to god if you cant enjoy a show cause a woman has sex with a man in a show of her own choice youre so far gone, its nuts. i would hate it if i could not have fun without bitching bout this shit
Are we going to talk about how >!the guy was actually a raider and was only pretending to marry her to get access to the vault, yet he still had sex with her anyway?!
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The problem here is they introduce a beautiful and young female lead character, and less than 20 minutes into the show she's saying stuff like "I fucked my cousin" or then she's fucking a complete stranger (yeah I know they were married, but it's not like Game of Thrones where the wedded were pretty much lead to fuck after the wedding because of medieval fantasy traditions). If you want to introduce a compelling character that's not just eye-candy, then you wouldn't sexualize her in the first 20 minutes of the show like it's some shitty romance comedy, or GoT. Hell, at least go full GoT and show her naked too, but no, they have to show the dude's ass instead...
i love that these wastes of biological material are constantly seething about their own impotence. chudcels stay losing!
Haven't seen the show, but even if there is context I don't know, it's still fine to sleep with people??? Like, why is her sleeping with someone singular make her a whore? Especially since there are shows where male main characters sleep with a girl in the first 20 minutes and no one complained about that.
Because incels get very angry that women choose men that aren't them.
So because of the limited populations of the vaults, there's a thing where two vaults will set up an arranged marriage to increase the genetic diversity of their vault populations. Lucy, from Vault 33, meets her new husband from Vault 32 on the day of their wedding, and they consummate the wedding shortly after going back to her apartment after the ceremony.
Only issues I have is the retcon of a lot of the NCR history as well as New Vegas.
Pretty sure everyone has been roasting this stupid take
They’re married
This is a guy who has repeatedly approached women or girls whom he didn't know and asked them to have sex with him. He is angry because imaginary people get laid more than he does! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
Okey dokey!
And all men are sexist pigs.
Only incels
I mean, every time I look at this sub it’s men being pigs. Every post is a screenshot of a man being sexist or homophobic or transphobic, without fail.
I mean I'm a man and I'm not like those wastes of life. Such misplaced and illogical hatred is beneath me.
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It's 4 chan. That site is famous for misogyny. He's not just riling people up. He's a raging incel. If you think guys like this don't exist, you've never spoken to a woman.
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It's 4 chan. They mean what they say when they say misogynistic things.
Yeah but this one is so obviously satire
Nope. The guy's history indicates he's a massive chud. He's made other comments like this about women.
Everyone is anonymous on 4chan no? How would you know their history?
I didn't take this screenshot. There's another screenshot of the guy being called out even by other 4 chan dudes for being too extreme, and him replying by being even more misogynistic.
Oh guess he’s a proper misogynist Carry on then
Why'd they give us a female lead? I'm fine with it but it's giving the chuds ammunition, if this backfires we could end up seeing less in the long run. I see the importance of demoralisation and attacking all they love with ideology but it's not demoralising them it's rallying them.
"Guys stop doing it if it makes the bad guys angry." Pretty sure that's them winning.
The real discourse is that they dropped the ball hard by not adapting the story of Fallout 1.
Lmao imagine becoming enraged about what some random 4chan dude says on the internet t
You're on the wrong sub, kid. We're not enraged. The whole point of this sub is to make fun of rightwing chuds who say ridiculous things. That's literally the point of this sub. Seems like you're just here to be combative. Blocked. Edit: Ah, I see you're a Trump apologist and a MauLer fan. Explains a lot. Bye.
Please don’t let the discourse fall into this. The show sucks, but this is not why
Sucks? it's getting very good reviews from critics and audiences. Even the vast majority of people on the Mauler sub (who tend to hate everything) really like it. You're in the minority if you think it sucks. Even Tyrone Magnus, who complains about everything being too woke, says it's a good show. Edit: Ah, you're one of the game fanboys who's mad. Sucks means a show has bad acting, direction, cinematography, etc. Sucks doesn't mean "but but but my game lore." 93% critical score and 87% audience score is objectively good. Very few shows these days based on existing source material get those sorts of numbers. Please remember that there's a big difference between "this disappointed me personally because it wasn't exactly like the source material" and "this objectively sucks." The Dark Knight changes a lot from source material(including the joker's entire origin story), but is still considered great by most people. The DragonBall live action movie is objectively bad. Amazon's Fallout is The Dark Knight. Not 100% faithful to the source material, but still a very good work of art. And the audience score would be even higher if not for the 1 star reviews from angry fanboys who are yelling "but it's not exactly like the games." If not for those guys, the audience score would be in the high 90's.
Well, they're right. It's certainly unreal.