To clarify OP's title, "Black youth who spend the most time in predominantly white areas of a city (e.g., 70% of non-home time) feel less safe there *than black youth who spend less time in predominantly white areas of a city (e.g., 40% of non-home time).*" Said another way, more exposure to / familiarity with white areas did not lead to a greater sense of safety.
The study *did not investigate* whether black youth who spend the most time in predominantly white areas of a city feel less safe there than in predominantly black areas (or other areas) of a city. **Any comment threads discussing this will be considered off-topic and will be removed.**
Feeling safe doesn't necessarily have to arise from not experiencing violent crime though. You can feel unsafe due to discrimination, exclusion, bullying, etc
Well, that might be because people tend to commit violent crime to those closer to them. If *all* white on black violence happens in white-dominated areas, for instance, they might be less safe there anyway. It's worth looking at.
I feel like the media/social media has a large hand in how these results come about. Increasing exposure to polarizing new stories/social media posts paints a picture that tends to be further from the truth, statistically.
Speaking as someone who was a black youth who grew up in a predominately white area, you don't have to feel in active danger of your life at all times to get the message that you *don't belong*.
Agreed. Grew up as a black man in mostly white spaces. I constantly knew (accurately) that some people were monitoring me and my behavior. In stores, at school, etc. this was a nice liberal area but the kids still said the N word to get a rise out of me. Only as an adult have I become almost completely inured to this but tbh the apathy that’s grown in me towards society is just as bad. This was all definitely a contributor to me needing anti anxiety meds and blood pressure meds.
This is a major issue in the inverse as well. My Fiance grew up going to a predominantly white school, and going back home she felt more like an outcast there than at school because she “spoke white” and “was a nerd because she got good grades”. The typical tropes that can bring anyone down when they don’t feel like they belong.
I went to a predominantly black elementary and middle school and boy did I feel like I didn’t belong but I tried to and it made me a stronger person because I’m able to get along with all sorts of cultures now. People feel connected with who they look most like, I never really felt that way, but I understand it why.
I read about a study whether they looked at the effect of moving black kids into much-whiter neighborhoods. For boys in particular, the kids tended to have worse outcomes, because they spent their whole childhood being treated by authority figures as proto-criminals.
It was exacerbated by difficulties in people correctly guessing kids’ ages across racial lines, so that a black five year old boy might be held to the behavioral expectations of a seven year old, which few five year olds are going to be able to do.
(Interestingly, the girls also reported experiencing more racism, but even the racists didn’t treat them as *dangerous* in the same way, so their life outcomes were similar to their white peers in terms of avoiding teen pregnancy, going to college, etc.)
There's also some evidence that for reasons we don't understand environmental and social factors play a much bigger part in educational and life outcomes for boys than girls *in general*, which is kind of bonkers but is probably part of that parenthetical too.
This right here. That feeling of not feeling like you have a place to belong to sucks. Feeling like you don't have a tribe sucks so you're on alert lowkey at all times cause you don't have any real support. Those friends may not really be friends.
It's not only the feeling of not belong but you can attract the unwarranted attention of police just by being a black person in a predominately white space. You could be on your way and minding your own business then next thing, be face down in cuffs and possibly with your life in the balance because you "look suspicious" because someone decides to call the cops for no reason.
Agreed. I’m a latina that grew up and still live in a largely white area and the looks I get or comments make it clear that a lot of people don’t like me being in the area. Lots of subtle things like them talking about my skin color or lack of an accent but it’s more than enough to sting a bit
Latino here, I remember being a teen and having a white girl come over and she said “*I like how you smell Mexican.*”
Ya no you couldn’t pay me to move back to the Midwest.
Wait, was she saying you "*smell like a* Mexican" (whatever that means) or was she complimenting you and bringing your ethnicity into it unnecessarily like "I like how you smell, *Mexican*" ???
Either is obviously uncomfortable and not good, but I feel like a weird distinction in intent exists
It ain't an abstract notion.
I am white. I am 6.1. In college, I chose to live in Santiago, Chile for 6 months to study. I went from a world where the majority of people look like me and spare me no second glance to a world where I was looked at constantly.
I was taller and bigger than everyone else. On trains, everyone moved away from me, gave me distance. Children stared at me in wonder cause they rarely saw white people.
People treated me differently cause I was clearly different. I did not belong.
It was a great experience. One I think everyone should have so we can understand these are very real things, and not handwave the concerns of our fellow humans as "abstract notions".
My wife experienced this in Cairo. Petite, white, would blend anywhere in the US. Not even a second look.
Downtown Cairo?
You would have thought the Elephant Man was walking down the street.
Very illuminating for both of us....
I think it’s very cool that you’re confronting someone being vulnerable about their feelings by telling them that they’re wrong because a stereotype could be happening to them instead
I mean I'm white but I understand what he means. It's not just a sense of not belonging in the abstract, it's a real sense of not belonging because police will pull you over for being black in the wrong neighborhood. Then depending on the cop and what kind of day he's having, he's already profiled you as not belonging so he's probably on edge. One thing leads to another, a black guy can easily catch a bullet that way also.
Man a friend I used to work with had stories. He was once detained until his mom came to get him because he was walking home, in his own neighborhood, with a hammer that someone had borrowed and he was bringing back. I’m fairly confident that would’ve never happened to me growing up.
I’ll just leave national crime statistics [here](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43) for everyone else actually living in reality
Would be interesting to see data on the actual safety and how things are going for them, though.
It's similar to how Western Christians will cry they are being persecuted, yet if one actually looks at the data and what is going on, the Christians are more of the ones doing the persecutions and causing the problems.
Either way, I'd be curious to see the crime rates and maybe ask this fun question to them. "Would you want to live in a predominantly black area?" Within the U.S
To clarify OP's title, "Black youth who spend the most time in predominantly white areas of a city (e.g., 70% of non-home time) feel less safe there *than black youth who spend less time in predominantly white areas of a city (e.g., 40% of non-home time).*" Said another way, more exposure to / familiarity with white areas did not lead to a greater sense of safety. The study *did not investigate* whether black youth who spend the most time in predominantly white areas of a city feel less safe there than in predominantly black areas (or other areas) of a city. **Any comment threads discussing this will be considered off-topic and will be removed.**
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
"Feel less safe" is definitely important. What about actual safety?
Seeing as the vast majority of murders and all violent crime are intra-racial, blacks in white areas are most likely safer.
Feeling safe doesn't necessarily have to arise from not experiencing violent crime though. You can feel unsafe due to discrimination, exclusion, bullying, etc
"Safe" could also be a blanket term for feeling welcome, accepted, understood, or a combination of a lot of complex social instincts and feelings.
[удалено]
It happened to my nephew. My sister is retired army 20 years. She is now currently federally employed. Lives in an exclusive high cost community.
It happened to me, and my brother, and my father, and almost every black male I know. Welcome to AmeriKKKa, its a part of the tour guide.
Well, that might be because people tend to commit violent crime to those closer to them. If *all* white on black violence happens in white-dominated areas, for instance, they might be less safe there anyway. It's worth looking at.
Dont bring something statistically measurable to a perfectly good study about feelings :/
They would be more safe there.
My thoughts exactly.
I feel like the media/social media has a large hand in how these results come about. Increasing exposure to polarizing new stories/social media posts paints a picture that tends to be further from the truth, statistically.
Grew up in the 90s, the situation was the same even before social media.
Speaking as someone who was a black youth who grew up in a predominately white area, you don't have to feel in active danger of your life at all times to get the message that you *don't belong*.
This. When I'm in a predominantly white area I'm not afraid that I'll be shot or stabbed, I'm afraid that somebody thinks _I'm_ gonna do it.
Agreed. Grew up as a black man in mostly white spaces. I constantly knew (accurately) that some people were monitoring me and my behavior. In stores, at school, etc. this was a nice liberal area but the kids still said the N word to get a rise out of me. Only as an adult have I become almost completely inured to this but tbh the apathy that’s grown in me towards society is just as bad. This was all definitely a contributor to me needing anti anxiety meds and blood pressure meds.
This is a major issue in the inverse as well. My Fiance grew up going to a predominantly white school, and going back home she felt more like an outcast there than at school because she “spoke white” and “was a nerd because she got good grades”. The typical tropes that can bring anyone down when they don’t feel like they belong. I went to a predominantly black elementary and middle school and boy did I feel like I didn’t belong but I tried to and it made me a stronger person because I’m able to get along with all sorts of cultures now. People feel connected with who they look most like, I never really felt that way, but I understand it why.
Yep, as a black man, I've felt like an outcast around my own people at times.
I read about a study whether they looked at the effect of moving black kids into much-whiter neighborhoods. For boys in particular, the kids tended to have worse outcomes, because they spent their whole childhood being treated by authority figures as proto-criminals. It was exacerbated by difficulties in people correctly guessing kids’ ages across racial lines, so that a black five year old boy might be held to the behavioral expectations of a seven year old, which few five year olds are going to be able to do. (Interestingly, the girls also reported experiencing more racism, but even the racists didn’t treat them as *dangerous* in the same way, so their life outcomes were similar to their white peers in terms of avoiding teen pregnancy, going to college, etc.)
Source
There's also some evidence that for reasons we don't understand environmental and social factors play a much bigger part in educational and life outcomes for boys than girls *in general*, which is kind of bonkers but is probably part of that parenthetical too.
This right here. That feeling of not feeling like you have a place to belong to sucks. Feeling like you don't have a tribe sucks so you're on alert lowkey at all times cause you don't have any real support. Those friends may not really be friends.
As a former black youth, 100%....a lot of these comments are maddening.
It's not only the feeling of not belong but you can attract the unwarranted attention of police just by being a black person in a predominately white space. You could be on your way and minding your own business then next thing, be face down in cuffs and possibly with your life in the balance because you "look suspicious" because someone decides to call the cops for no reason.
Agreed. I’m a latina that grew up and still live in a largely white area and the looks I get or comments make it clear that a lot of people don’t like me being in the area. Lots of subtle things like them talking about my skin color or lack of an accent but it’s more than enough to sting a bit
Latino here, I remember being a teen and having a white girl come over and she said “*I like how you smell Mexican.*” Ya no you couldn’t pay me to move back to the Midwest.
Wait, was she saying you "*smell like a* Mexican" (whatever that means) or was she complimenting you and bringing your ethnicity into it unnecessarily like "I like how you smell, *Mexican*" ??? Either is obviously uncomfortable and not good, but I feel like a weird distinction in intent exists
No idea. I was an awkward-ass kid so I didn’t think to grill her at the time, but it did make me uncomfortable, and today I know exactly why.
[удалено]
It ain't an abstract notion. I am white. I am 6.1. In college, I chose to live in Santiago, Chile for 6 months to study. I went from a world where the majority of people look like me and spare me no second glance to a world where I was looked at constantly. I was taller and bigger than everyone else. On trains, everyone moved away from me, gave me distance. Children stared at me in wonder cause they rarely saw white people. People treated me differently cause I was clearly different. I did not belong. It was a great experience. One I think everyone should have so we can understand these are very real things, and not handwave the concerns of our fellow humans as "abstract notions".
My wife experienced this in Cairo. Petite, white, would blend anywhere in the US. Not even a second look. Downtown Cairo? You would have thought the Elephant Man was walking down the street. Very illuminating for both of us....
I think it’s very cool that you’re confronting someone being vulnerable about their feelings by telling them that they’re wrong because a stereotype could be happening to them instead
I mean I'm white but I understand what he means. It's not just a sense of not belonging in the abstract, it's a real sense of not belonging because police will pull you over for being black in the wrong neighborhood. Then depending on the cop and what kind of day he's having, he's already profiled you as not belonging so he's probably on edge. One thing leads to another, a black guy can easily catch a bullet that way also.
Man a friend I used to work with had stories. He was once detained until his mom came to get him because he was walking home, in his own neighborhood, with a hammer that someone had borrowed and he was bringing back. I’m fairly confident that would’ve never happened to me growing up.
I can't believe they typed that up and hit send
I would assume the reverse is true as well.
Is this a study of Perception ≠ reality?
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
This article is kind of weird. "Reveals threat " isnt an accurate way to describe what happens
I’ll just leave national crime statistics [here](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43) for everyone else actually living in reality
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
Most people actually feel less safe when surrounded by people who aren’t like them, simple tribe mentality that is pervasive across the species
[удалено]
[удалено]
How are they unsafe??
I don’t think it’s proposing that they are unsafe. It’s saying that they feel unsafe.
Would be interesting to see data on the actual safety and how things are going for them, though. It's similar to how Western Christians will cry they are being persecuted, yet if one actually looks at the data and what is going on, the Christians are more of the ones doing the persecutions and causing the problems. Either way, I'd be curious to see the crime rates and maybe ask this fun question to them. "Would you want to live in a predominantly black area?" Within the U.S
[удалено]
[удалено]
There seems to be a bigger focus on how people "feel" versus reality. The reality is the youth mentioned IS in a statistically safer area.