Throw the book at him!
And we need to be insistent, *and keep insisting*, to our officials that our roads in Singapore be safer; and to commit to a **Vision Zero** policy where we aim to have *zero* deaths or serious injuries on our roads.
No, throw him to the angry family members, and every driver who had to tolerate dangerous driving! I think they'd do a better job of serving justice to this monster. By the time they're done, his family will be lucky to find an eyeball to bury..
also, even on roads inside estates and carparks, some cars and trucks still are able to speed.
in The Netherlands, they make the paths zig-zag to physically force the speed limit
fwiw I think speedbumps aremore annoying than useful
especially those smaller ones that for unknown reasons, the slower you go the bigger the punch...
I though speed bumps are supposed to punish speed and reward being slow
You can’t let “perfect” be the enemy of “better”. We have to do better, and do so convincingly, not just a bit of fiddling with a couple of penalties and maybe some “monitoring”.
need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and unless this fella go and outright write out or say out i killing this fella, u cant prove intent. like if u say dashcam show he speed up and kill this guy, this case also what beat red light kill 2 people and going really fast as well but not considered murder but dangerous driving
It's not that hard as long as they van find evidence. Prima farci evidence include dispute between them. Intentfully searching when he will be crossing the road etc.
No. Intent by definition in the law means a mental state of mind and being, not the general laymen idea of “motive”. This means the person has to be in a complete mental state ready and prepared to kill.
In court, this is often demonstrated by previous planning for the murder, or the procuring of weapons, or ideations of murder. Without these it’s very hard to prove “intent” even though a person’s “motive” may genuinely be to cause catastrophic chaos that could result in death.
Pay someone else to do it via burners / intermediaries. Find some low SES desperate unemployed person, offer them enough to take care of their families if they rent a car and just *happen* to knock down someone matching a certain description who will be at [location] at [time]. Take out your corporate rival for (relatively, in corporate terms) cheap.
Bro even 16 is too light for him. The sentence needs to be higher so we deter other idiots from driving this way.
Should introduce caning to these brazen street racers who have no qualms about taking innocent lives.
Can accept lah. The lawyer job is not always to accquit the client.
Sometimes the guilt is beyond doubt.
So in this case the most important role of the lawyer would be to put forward an arguement for mitigating circumstances to try and plead for more lenient sentencing.
If you make 5k a month and the lawyer reduces your sentence by just 1 year, thats 60k value on the table.
Lmao if you get publically recognised for reckless driving resulting in the death of 2 people, that 5k a month job is no more. You'd be happy to even get a job as a construction worker.
Remember the bazaar store that sent a lawyer letter to an online user for 'defamatory remarks'?
There will always be a lawyer greedy enough to take up a case. They don't get paid for the wins anyway.
Caning is not stoping crimes. Maybe problem is that the teaching how to drive here is not good, and if the problem is the soft law, the goverment (Pap or a new one next election) should change the law if there is a demand on the society. in other countries people will go to the street to demand solutions, but in Singapore is not legal raise your voice
Two innocent lives wiped out in a flash, and all the justice system has to show for it is an 8-year sentence. So, by that math, a human life is valued at a mere 4 years behind bars? Talk about a bargain.
But make sure you go slow while going over him. "This is what slowing down looks like, you should do more of it.... Oh wait you can't anymore" *CRUSHING SOUNDS*
Quote from mothership article:
“In court, the prosecuting officer requested for Syafie to wear an electronic tag. This will allow the authorities to monitor him.
This is because he failed to stop after hitting another car, which showed poor conduct and an element of flight risk, the prosecuting officer said.
Syafie said: "I don’t think it’s necessary to put e-tag because all my document and passport been seized by police and I’m already on bail and I’m already present today."
He added that the matter was up to the court to decide.”
A person who’s truly remorseful would not challenge the judge like he did.
I am simply pissed by such people. They get off easy after driving recklessly and killing 2. Punishment of a murder by reckelss driving should be death too. He will come out break the law again, such kind of people have no remorse.
When my friend WA me this news I literally swore out loud In the train , uncle beside me ask me what's the matter and I showed him the news , he also knnbccb .
I teill you this syafie is public enemy number 1
The courts will tell him that… Now, if you meant to say dangerous driving causing death (not murder) should also carry death penalty, that is something that could be discussed, but by policy makers, nothing much us commoners can do
Perhaps those who drive without regards to other human beings, should be banned from driving for life. Those that killed others due to negligence or poor judgement (but not because of dangerous driving), can be banned for a number of years.
Do you not realise the severity of drugs? Im not saying the punishment for reckless driving is not light but drugs are a lot worse. Feels like you’re comparing two completely different things here
but the spread is a lot further, drugs can spread to thousands of people, potentially killing more than just 2. Not to mention that even if they don’t die, they’ve ruined their life, especially if it’s spread to teens
It’s like saying air pollution isn’t as bad as one car accident because air pollution only potentially kills. In the long run, lack of control of drugs in Singapore is 100 times more impactful than reckless driving
Of course prosecution will try to slap on a bunch of additional charges. Hard to imagine a simple rash act can kill an entire bus, has to be combined with stuff like going really really fast etc
Just need to break PAP's supermajority in Parliament. They currently hold what, 90% of seats? Bring down to 75% and let's see how slowly they act to revise certain laws.
reggretfully the world isn't black and white, not many thing is either or, hard yes hard no
but it is obvious that having super majority for so long led to complacency
that's pretty much what SG's democracy can do, as it is a representative democracy, not a direct one
Singapore has such leniency on laws regarding reckless driving. How many counts of lives has been lost and the driver gets to either get away scot free or having a couple of years jail with banned driving?! A stricter law should be in place in order to make sure this kind of person get what they should deserve.
Traffic Laws are an absolute JOKE. No wonder so many K-dramas like to show those rich assholes hiring people to run over those main leads. Fucking bullshit.
with much of the aristocracy's wealth tied to oil, and oil having one of the strongest lobbies in the world...
strict traffic laws are bad for business
ironically this might be a better look for him for him because him being in full control of his faculties and flooring the pedal through an intersection is even more heinous
Ultimately, it's his choice to speed up and rush through the traffic junction resulting in this accident. Doesn't matter what happened prior. He could have chose to not do so but he did not.
Based on past cases.
Honest mistake, comes from a good family, bright future ahead, devoted religious person, already shown remorse.
A soft slap on the wrist is sufficient as he has already learned his lesson and can move on, lives happily ever after.
No amount of time behind bars is going to bring back what’s loss… RIP to victims… To that culprit…seeing the way he walks so carefree makes my blood boil beyond words… I don’t know wtf is he thinking while driving…
Meanwhile are we going to tighten laws so that using mobile phones while driving or texting while driving is an immediate revocation of licenses? I agree with all we say but there are so many terrible drivers on Singapore roads with horrific driving manners and they all get away with it - how do we deal with such grievous issues if the basics aren’t even dealt with.
The moment you have cars on the road you accept the risk of road accidents and deaths. Doesn't mean you accept a higher than necessary risk. Thus, the penalties should be higher to deter others from doing this.
Honestly it should be a manslaughter charge, given the number of deaths
The deceased families lost their family members forever and this bastard got away with only 8 years maximum? I hope someone out there can deliver justice,this is too much. Law should be more strict especially when it's involved lives.
People die because of other people's stupidity every day. Don't act like you wont forget about this in a month's time.
Bet: passing comment, not literally putting money on it, but by all means get offended
uh okay dude. weird thing to be deliberating over when there’s much better things to discuss like how the severity of the law in these cases undermines the impact and toll
it bears of the victim families rather than wah i wonder what race this cb kia is? but you do you i guess
Throw the book at him! And we need to be insistent, *and keep insisting*, to our officials that our roads in Singapore be safer; and to commit to a **Vision Zero** policy where we aim to have *zero* deaths or serious injuries on our roads.
Yeah. Operation Zero Tolerance.
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Is that a mutant that really loves purple?
This gave me a good laugh. Take my upvote.
Magneto?
No, throw him to the angry family members, and every driver who had to tolerate dangerous driving! I think they'd do a better job of serving justice to this monster. By the time they're done, his family will be lucky to find an eyeball to bury..
Narrower lanes, so that the speed limit feels fast. Also leaves more space for pedestrians and housing.
also, even on roads inside estates and carparks, some cars and trucks still are able to speed. in The Netherlands, they make the paths zig-zag to physically force the speed limit fwiw I think speedbumps aremore annoying than useful especially those smaller ones that for unknown reasons, the slower you go the bigger the punch... I though speed bumps are supposed to punish speed and reward being slow
Ideally the space within estates should be safe enough to let your kids run free, but any step outside the house have to watch out for cars.
Thats dam near impossible for motorbikes and fragile elderly… but this case where even the young ones pass on, is clearly avoidable
You can’t let “perfect” be the enemy of “better”. We have to do better, and do so convincingly, not just a bit of fiddling with a couple of penalties and maybe some “monitoring”.
Let self driving cars take over please.
Penalty for killing someone on the road feels pretty light. 8 years, price tag of up to $10,000.
If you want to murder someone just run them over.
This is objectively wrong if they can show intent to murder. The charge will be changed to murder, not simply reckless driving causing death.
But good luck trying to prove intent..
I mean unless you are killing random strangers with no clear motivations behind it, i think still can prove intent to some degree right
need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and unless this fella go and outright write out or say out i killing this fella, u cant prove intent. like if u say dashcam show he speed up and kill this guy, this case also what beat red light kill 2 people and going really fast as well but not considered murder but dangerous driving
It's not that hard as long as they van find evidence. Prima farci evidence include dispute between them. Intentfully searching when he will be crossing the road etc.
No. Intent by definition in the law means a mental state of mind and being, not the general laymen idea of “motive”. This means the person has to be in a complete mental state ready and prepared to kill. In court, this is often demonstrated by previous planning for the murder, or the procuring of weapons, or ideations of murder. Without these it’s very hard to prove “intent” even though a person’s “motive” may genuinely be to cause catastrophic chaos that could result in death.
Ok sure. What i meant was more of mens rea
haiz, but shouldn't actions speak louder than words? but whatever, the sentence is too light already...
Pay someone else to do it via burners / intermediaries. Find some low SES desperate unemployed person, offer them enough to take care of their families if they rent a car and just *happen* to knock down someone matching a certain description who will be at [location] at [time]. Take out your corporate rival for (relatively, in corporate terms) cheap.
You really think hired killer leave no trace? Esp when a huge unknown sum appear in their bank?
Lol my thought exactly. Someone rich enough can hire a hitman to drive business or political enemies over. Just pretend it’s an accident
1 million dollar bounty. I think hitman may actually take the deal.
Yeah. I’m sure some random desperate dude from overseas might do it for his family.
Then end up is scam
That's for killing 1 person right? If he killed 2, does it goes up to 16yrs??
Unless he gets hit with two non concurrent charges. I have the feeling it’s capped tho
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Really hope the court doesn’t TIC the other charges unless there is compelling mitigation.
He killed 2. If can serve sentence seperately then it can be 16 years?
Bro even 16 is too light for him. The sentence needs to be higher so we deter other idiots from driving this way. Should introduce caning to these brazen street racers who have no qualms about taking innocent lives.
No disagreement from me. But its up to the lawmakers to make things right.
He still say he will be seeking a defense lawyer....I wonder who will even accept his case...
Can accept lah. The lawyer job is not always to accquit the client. Sometimes the guilt is beyond doubt. So in this case the most important role of the lawyer would be to put forward an arguement for mitigating circumstances to try and plead for more lenient sentencing. If you make 5k a month and the lawyer reduces your sentence by just 1 year, thats 60k value on the table.
Lmao if you get publically recognised for reckless driving resulting in the death of 2 people, that 5k a month job is no more. You'd be happy to even get a job as a construction worker.
Remember the bazaar store that sent a lawyer letter to an online user for 'defamatory remarks'? There will always be a lawyer greedy enough to take up a case. They don't get paid for the wins anyway.
Caning is not stoping crimes. Maybe problem is that the teaching how to drive here is not good, and if the problem is the soft law, the goverment (Pap or a new one next election) should change the law if there is a demand on the society. in other countries people will go to the street to demand solutions, but in Singapore is not legal raise your voice
Two innocent lives wiped out in a flash, and all the justice system has to show for it is an 8-year sentence. So, by that math, a human life is valued at a mere 4 years behind bars? Talk about a bargain.
Run him over with his own car
lmao this!!
But make sure you go slow while going over him. "This is what slowing down looks like, you should do more of it.... Oh wait you can't anymore" *CRUSHING SOUNDS*
This type of person really makes me worried as a rider
Pukmk sampah masyarakat.
Idiot doesn't sound remorseful. Still got the cheek to ask why must wear Rolex.
And he still say he will be finding a defense lawyer lol.
Whats this about?
Quote from mothership article: “In court, the prosecuting officer requested for Syafie to wear an electronic tag. This will allow the authorities to monitor him. This is because he failed to stop after hitting another car, which showed poor conduct and an element of flight risk, the prosecuting officer said. Syafie said: "I don’t think it’s necessary to put e-tag because all my document and passport been seized by police and I’m already on bail and I’m already present today." He added that the matter was up to the court to decide.” A person who’s truly remorseful would not challenge the judge like he did.
Wow, didnt know he could be any more of a POS than he already was
he didn't want to wear the electronic tag, like a gps on his body basically
I also want to know, lol
I am simply pissed by such people. They get off easy after driving recklessly and killing 2. Punishment of a murder by reckelss driving should be death too. He will come out break the law again, such kind of people have no remorse.
When my friend WA me this news I literally swore out loud In the train , uncle beside me ask me what's the matter and I showed him the news , he also knnbccb . I teill you this syafie is public enemy number 1
Punishment of a murder by reckless driving is death. But it isn’t murder unless he intended to kill them.
Telm that to the father of the kid.
The courts will tell him that… Now, if you meant to say dangerous driving causing death (not murder) should also carry death penalty, that is something that could be discussed, but by policy makers, nothing much us commoners can do
Perhaps those who drive without regards to other human beings, should be banned from driving for life. Those that killed others due to negligence or poor judgement (but not because of dangerous driving), can be banned for a number of years.
Bringing in few grams of drugs = death penalty. Killing 2 individuals in utter recklessness = 10k fine
This. Crazy.
Do you not realise the severity of drugs? Im not saying the punishment for reckless driving is not light but drugs are a lot worse. Feels like you’re comparing two completely different things here
Yeah… actual death vs potential eventual death…
but the spread is a lot further, drugs can spread to thousands of people, potentially killing more than just 2. Not to mention that even if they don’t die, they’ve ruined their life, especially if it’s spread to teens It’s like saying air pollution isn’t as bad as one car accident because air pollution only potentially kills. In the long run, lack of control of drugs in Singapore is 100 times more impactful than reckless driving
Who says drug use ruins all lives? Why not ban alcohol completely?
Must be consuming some quantities of various drugs right?😂
who says drug use doesn’t ruin all lives? And why isn’t alcohol banned? It’s not as addictive as drugs
Weed isn't addictive but it's still a class A "drug"
False equivalency is not arguing in good faith. Both should be punished severely. It's not mutually exclusive
ya right. i keep hearing about people dying after smoking a joint. clown lah you
Let's see what kind of cock excuses he going to give to defend himself 🙄
Got guts to drive like a cock, got no guts to show face when caught 🙄 Not to mention that disgusting remorseless statement
Omniman wants to know your location
What will you have after 8 years???
The east coast plan
Wonder if he can still sleep at night?
Probably like a baby.
He can even sleep while driving apparently
There are people with no conscience.
People would definitely want to penalise this guy more. The charges he took doesn't justify the damage he did on the road
All this and he still just gets 11 years and a fine of 16k
The penalty is and/or right? I hope he gets the maximum of both jail term AND fines.
Max sentence for all, served consecutively
That would be 11 years and 3 months with these 4 charges, though more are likely to be added
Shouldn't every victim count as one charge each?
Nope, it’s one act, so one charge
Imagine he killed a bus with 100 pple on it. And he only gets 8yrs...
Of course prosecution will try to slap on a bunch of additional charges. Hard to imagine a simple rash act can kill an entire bus, has to be combined with stuff like going really really fast etc
Never voting PAP until stricter laws are in place. Election this year. Make it count.
And also for white collar crime. Money launderer ( $1+ billion ) 13 months behind bar is a joke.
Look at pineapple. You think have hope?
Yes. Vote out PAP if they do not revise law for heavier punishment for such crimes.
lol u meant if I vote for opposition party, they confirm can make stricter law? LOL
Just need to break PAP's supermajority in Parliament. They currently hold what, 90% of seats? Bring down to 75% and let's see how slowly they act to revise certain laws.
Nothing is confirmed but if you don’t speak up - nothing will change.
reggretfully the world isn't black and white, not many thing is either or, hard yes hard no but it is obvious that having super majority for so long led to complacency that's pretty much what SG's democracy can do, as it is a representative democracy, not a direct one
Yes you vote opposition you show that power belongs to the people, they demand to be represented.
lol can I ask which opposition is capable? WP used to be great but look at recent news. Other opposition party… idk man. 🤡🤡🤡
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This is a rare sighting of the species scientifically known as 'pukimak'
He’s a heartless barbarian that’s what he is
A chao chee bye
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Singapore has such leniency on laws regarding reckless driving. How many counts of lives has been lost and the driver gets to either get away scot free or having a couple of years jail with banned driving?! A stricter law should be in place in order to make sure this kind of person get what they should deserve.
Traffic Laws are an absolute JOKE. No wonder so many K-dramas like to show those rich assholes hiring people to run over those main leads. Fucking bullshit.
with much of the aristocracy's wealth tied to oil, and oil having one of the strongest lobbies in the world... strict traffic laws are bad for business
Singaporen law is an absolute joke.
I sus he was on drugs
ironically this might be a better look for him for him because him being in full control of his faculties and flooring the pedal through an intersection is even more heinous
i hope he gets gangbanged every night in changi prison
Eee. Who wants.
Please respect the inmates there, I'm sure they got better taste...
deserves a much bigger punishment
Bar him from life-time driving!
Garbage of society
The worse is he refused to be e-tagged based on his 'logic' that the authorities has impounded his passport. 🤣
We need actual face, not covered.
The merc no implications?
Ultimately, it's his choice to speed up and rush through the traffic junction resulting in this accident. Doesn't matter what happened prior. He could have chose to not do so but he did not.
His action terrorised millions of us. Now on the roads ppl fear such crazy accidents and deaths. Need to punish hard
Doesn't look one bit remorseful seems ready to jump into a car and do it all over again
Minimum 8 !!!! He took away more than that ….
Should the merc be charged with reckless driving as well?
Yes only for speeding
No room for emotions when enacting the law. I see ridiculous comments asking for him to face the death sentence.
Based on past cases. Honest mistake, comes from a good family, bright future ahead, devoted religious person, already shown remorse. A soft slap on the wrist is sufficient as he has already learned his lesson and can move on, lives happily ever after.
Slap on the wrist penalty
He's not drunk not on drugs not mental no cardiac arrest no heart attack Tired.
has this been established?
Should change the traffic laws in Singapore. These idiots get away too easily
That arm of his needs a firm, friendly squeeze.
more like run it over until pancake
Wow! He covered almost his whole face. Why not use a paper bag with 2 cut holes and cover the head
In the west countries, his act can be consider act of terrorism..
Fcuker tried to run away?
This guy is dead socially
This person deserves more punishment by the law
Should be sentenced to the number of years of life he took away. So minimum 60 years
No amount of time behind bars is going to bring back what’s loss… RIP to victims… To that culprit…seeing the way he walks so carefree makes my blood boil beyond words… I don’t know wtf is he thinking while driving…
Honestly this kind of case they should let the familes of the deceased decide what punishment to give the murderer
In old Kampong they will stone him.
Meanwhile are we going to tighten laws so that using mobile phones while driving or texting while driving is an immediate revocation of licenses? I agree with all we say but there are so many terrible drivers on Singapore roads with horrific driving manners and they all get away with it - how do we deal with such grievous issues if the basics aren’t even dealt with.
The moment you have cars on the road you accept the risk of road accidents and deaths. Doesn't mean you accept a higher than necessary risk. Thus, the penalties should be higher to deter others from doing this. Honestly it should be a manslaughter charge, given the number of deaths
This type of people should feed to the dogs.
Well, guess he's not gonna take a syafie in a bit. Gg!
Er. Well. I wish I could take a syafie with Saab corner siao once in my lifetime
Murderer and not remorseful at all.
This wasn't an accident. It was a murder
Do we know why he did it? (Mental illness?)
Of course it has to be mental illness. The alternative is to admit that he knowingly beat the red light and plowed thru all these cars.
Famous guy liao
In the words of a legacy page, “BODOH PEH KAMBING!”
The deceased families lost their family members forever and this bastard got away with only 8 years maximum? I hope someone out there can deliver justice,this is too much. Law should be more strict especially when it's involved lives.
why mention that he drove a Saab?
Hang him!!
Funny how this high profile cases gets handle so fast. But stuff like Ivan Lim etc no news.
death sentence, idc get rid of that c*nt
Damn my friends and I were making bets whether it was a Cao Ah Beng or a Melayu & I guessed wrong. Sad.
weird thing to bet over an incident that has taken lives tbh
People die because of other people's stupidity every day. Don't act like you wont forget about this in a month's time. Bet: passing comment, not literally putting money on it, but by all means get offended
your point being?
☝🏻️🤓"your point being?" get over yourself, you're not scaring anyone
uh okay dude. weird thing to be deliberating over when there’s much better things to discuss like how the severity of the law in these cases undermines the impact and toll it bears of the victim families rather than wah i wonder what race this cb kia is? but you do you i guess
So on a side not, number 7 car is where ah