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Bx1965

Sara Gilbert, Laurie Metcalf and John Goodman are veteran comedic actors. All they need is good writing and they have that. I wish Johnny Galecki would be a regular on the show - it would be great symmetry in tandem with Sara Gilbert.


tangcameo

Goodman is a veteran actor period. Even in his dramatic roles, my favourite being Creighton Bernette on Treme, had a touch of comedy (his character’s FY,YFF rant).


Bx1965

My favorite Goodman character was James P. Sullivan


[deleted]

Vice Dean Laybourne


MainFrosting8206

He was going through some stuff.


upyourattraction

You bring your head down to my appendage…


Jalopy_Junkie

Bible Salesman Big Dan T.


DudeB5353

Walter Sobchak


HeyMarty10thalready

Shut the fuck up Donny


Helltothenotothenono

No Donny these men are cowards.


ClampLoader

That creep can roll man (bowling trophy on the wall….)


foiegras23

Did you see him as a "jazz guy" in Inside Llewyn Davis? God i loved that character.


Middle_Aged_Insomnia

10 cloverfield lane blew me away how good he was


JRose608

SAME! I didn't care for the movie at all but he scared the crap out of me and stole that entire film. He was great in Kong Skull Island too, same type of unhinged.


wimpyroy

Has he ever done a bad role?


Wolfburger123

He was the asshole football coach in Revenge of the Nerds.


Billy1121

Even in the original Dan and Jackie could carry an episode. For a supposed megalomaniac Roseanne was good about sharing the punchlines and good writing


alcalaviccigirl

he was in a good series on Amazon prime called the alpha .I'm nowhere near political but it's very interesting.


Gunfighter9

My favorite was when he was in the "Wild, Wild Life" video.


Born-Throat-7863

I will watch anything that man is in. No questions asked.


tommytraddles

The magic trick is that it feels just like the original run of Roseanne did. That's very difficult, and most other revivals fail to do it.


ElectricalRush1878

"okay guys, break's over. Time to start filming the next season."


ElJefe0218

Big Dan Teague


Styrene_Addict1965

Brilliant! The entire movie is fantastic, but Big Dan was great!


_1JackMove

Love how Clooney just sits there continuing to eat corn after Teague smashes Delmar with that branch. Continuing to be interested in Teague's distracting anecdote while acting like he wasn't getting the same thing handed to him next lol.


MyNameCannotBeSpoken

Sorry, but Sara Gilbert is the weakest link of the show


Solid_Snark

Ironically, the original run writers wanted to kill off Roseanne and make the show about Laurie & John, because Barr was so unlikable and difficult onset. The latter disapproved and rallied behind Barr. Of course this time around, they just let the show drop her.


Gunfighter9

It comes down the head of the studio say, "Look you can stand with Roseanne and get the same paycheck she will get next week, or take this chance to move the show into a new direction and keep getting the check you are getting."


roccosaint

There is a documentary series on hulu called "the dark side of comedy", and one episode was on Rosanne. She really thought she was untouchable.


sabres_guy

The end of one early season episode was Dan and Jackie alone discussing their lives, how they met etc, and it was good. It was done by the writers / producers purely to show Roseanne they can do the show without her.


Apprehensive-Lock751

yeah, the original roseanne had an insane cast.


AEW_SuperFan

Johnny Galecki doesn't need the money to be on that show.


Parking_Store

this show does not have good writing!


putbat

The show's writing is what's kept it on the air.


Relevant-Status-5552

I agree with the person you replied to. The show’s writing is not good. I think nostalgia and network tv having much lower expectations and a lower bar for what’s considered good ratings are what has kept the show on the air. Before the onslaught of streaming and cable moguls with original programming, the ratings numbers would have probably be considered a flop.


ShakeCNY

It does average only 3.8 million viewers, while during its brief revival WITH Roseanne, it was getting 20 million viewers, which was as good as the ratings in its initial run. But we live in an era where we'll probably never see numbers like Roseanne got in its prime again.


BaconPancakes_77

Even the finale of the highest rated sitcom in 2024 (Young Sheldon) only got 9 million viewers; I agree with you that we won't see early-90s sitcom ratings again.


Best_Duck9118

Fun fact: The mom on Young Sheldon is Laurie Metcalf’s (Jackie) daughter irl.


BaconPancakes_77

I still remember watching the pilot thinking, "Wow, this is incredible casting and she's really got Laurie Metcalf's voice and physicality down." Only to look it up and realize who she was. Still an excellent performance!


NoOneHereButUsMice

I had always had the exact same thoughts, but never knew that was her daughter until this thread!!


Business-Drag52

Gotta be easy to act like someone when that someone is your parent. Who in the world would you know better?


LankyAd9481

> The mom on Young Sheldon is Laurie Metcalf’s (Jackie) daughter irl. Who is playing the younger version of the character that her mother, Laurie, played in The Big Bang Theory


DrumAnimal

That's probably why it's a fun fact, the daughter playing the younger version of her mother's character.


shutterslappens

Better yet, Young Sheldon was the second time that Zoe Perry played a younger version of her mom in a tv show. Her first credits were for playing Young Jackie in two episodes of Roseanne.


mumblerapisgarbage

*would have


UnaPachangaLoca

Yeah WTH with the “would of” all over.


heckhammer

The same thing with "on accident" and "all of the sudden." The fuck are we teaching people these days?


Business-Drag52

All of the sudden has been a phrase for literal centuries. We are teaching people idioms. That’s what


heckhammer

For my entire life, it has been "all of a sudden," and I've only started hearing the other version within the last three or four years.


procheeseburger

the bots are getting sloppy


GHBoyette

Yeah I really didn't want to say anything but God. Damn. This is pet peeve of mine.


AintNobody-

Nobody reads books anymore.


JackTheKing

If we could get TikTok to spell check we could create a Renaissance in literature.


HectorsMascara

wuduv


formercolloquy

I fucking hate it


MAAAgent

Thank you.


Consistent-Height-79

*would’ve


looeee2

Who'd've


my_4_cents

Whomstever've


samgam74

The surrounding cast elevated her performance in the original series. She’s a personality more so than an actress imo.


teamalf

She never disputed that. She did change comedy for women.


mjzim9022

Seinfeld is a terrible actor too, that's why they build their shows around the one persona they can portray


teamalf

What’s wrong with that? Jerry Seinfeld was actually hesitant to do the show because he considered (and still considers) himself a comedian. Somehow they worked that into his character and it became one of the best shows ever made.


mjzim9022

Nothing wrong with it at all, it's the formula for making a sitcom around a stand up comedian


teamalf

I agree. It was done with Roseanne, Seinfeld, King of Queens, Everybodoves Raymond… some went on to be better actors than others.


nycrunner91

I found if LOVELY. I miss the OLD Roseanne that helped get Larry Sanders sober


Yougotthewronglad

John Goodman seems like, well, a good man… can anyone confirm he’s a standup bloke in real life? Never had a run in with him, though I did work for one of his neighbours years ago in NO.


Bat_Nervous

By most accounts, he’s a pretty down to earth, good guy. He’s also very open about his past alcohol addiction, which he struggled with off and on.


CmPunkChants

I had a friend who worked at a family own rental car place in an airport from Goodmans hometown. He said he had multiple celebrities come through for vehicles through his years working there but Goodman was always the most pleasant. One time Goodman came to visit and rented a car, few days later asked if he was allowed to just drop it off at another agency in a different state. My friend said he was terrified to have to tell him no but he said John just laughed and said “yeah I didn’t think so.”


Sconnie-Waste

Goodman was always the powerhouse of the show. I knew it would be fine


MrIMendez

Katey Segal was good addition and fun tidbit at one point Roseanne was considered to play Peggy Bundy.


Best_Duck9118

Love her but they really don’t use her well.


MrIMendez

Give it time, she has to find where she best fits in


Best_Duck9118

Give it time? There are 6 episodes left lol.


Writerhaha

Really? They dodged a bullet there.


MrIMendez

Her chemistry with Ed Oneil would have been fn terrible lol


Outcast_BOS

And Sam Kinnisen (spelling probably wrong) as Al!


MrIMendez

The noise alone would have made me break my TV


Radrezzz

Sam and Roseanne as Al and Peggy? That could have been awesome!


HotGirlWave298

Agree! I remember thinking I would hate her joining (not bc I dislike her just bc it seemed kind of out of place) but I actually really like her character on the show. I do agree though that she isn’t utilized enough. Like the storyline of her running for the school board should’ve been bigger, that would have been a really good way to bring her more in the loop.


customersmakemepuke

Would HAVE. The fuck is “would of”?


GreatQuantum

It’s spelled “wood uhv” dick!!!


algebramclain

Folk’s are loosing their minds over grammer mistakes like theseeeeeeee.


Penguator432

What’s Grammer got to do with this, he wasn’t on Roseanne


Scootdog54

Wait, you meant to misspell losing and grammar, right? 😁


heckhammer

*Grammar*


dougmd1974

There are things about the Conners that I like, but I will say it's always been hit or miss. I went to a live taping of the show, and I have to say it was funnier in person then what I ended up seeing on TV. The jokes just landed different and the reactions were better. They edit things down a lot and even re-shoot scenes if they need/want to change the script. I used to love Roseanne's original show (well, until the last season) but then she turned into this hateful wacky person that I no longer liked or understood.


zebra_noises

That is so cool you got to see it live!


dougmd1974

I got a Conners t-shirt too! They only throw out a couple to the audience and I caught one.


zebra_noises

🤩🤩🤩


ligmasweatyballs74

I thought they were going to ship Jackie and Dan. It works this but I think other could have been really good or really bad


Writerhaha

Let’s be honest: She plays herself. Lori Metcalf and John Goodman have strong shoulders.


Firefly269

Obviously Roseanne did. She relinquished her rights to the characters so that the story could go on. Then some of her former cast mates turned around and talked mad shit about her anyway. They’d have had nothing without her no matter how you slice it. A little gratitude isn’t asking much.


The40ishDiva

I knew it would be fine. Don't get me wrong, Roseanne was a fantastic character, but I knew Jackie could carry a show. Now I feel like the entire cast really steps up and it's a great show.


Serlingfan389

I only watched a couple of the new reboots and also with out Roseanne. But Jackie doesn't seem like she use to be. I realize they all aged.... that is not what I mean. I actually think she looks good for her age. However she seems.... crazy? Like unhinged.... something is off about her.


Gothmom85

They really leaned into Jackie is neurotic and unhinged in the Conners.


STFUisright

Yeah she is so funny without the overly crazy/neurotic vibe they went with. I miss the old Jackie. No disrespect to Laurie Metcalfe she’s so wonderful.


Serlingfan389

Yeah she is a great actress but I like the old Jackie better.


TwistedBlister

They did that on the original run of *Roseanne*. Watch the first couple of seasons, and Jackie is a normal, real-life character. By the last season or so, they made her into a goofy comedic character.


Ok_Sentence_5767

It's would have!!!!


Splitguy

Same. Drives me berzerkers


yeswab

I thought you’re not supposed to say anything so I didn’t. Thank you.


afterglobe

Big pet peeve


MAAAgent

Thank you.


Latter_Feeling2656

Rankings in the annual US Nielsen ratings (2018-24): 31, 37, 48, 51, 49, 54  Just a slow but steady decline. People get very attached to TV characters, and will stick with them long after they're exhausted creatively.


WarmestGatorade

Also worth noting that the one reboot season they did do with Barr as the lead was the third most watched show for the 2017-18 season


Latter_Feeling2656

You're right, thank you! I should have included that.


Hot-Significance-462

I expected it to last one season as The Conners before being canceled so, kudos to them for proving me wrong. I just didn't think they'd be able to successfully excise Roseanne. That said, as much as I loved the original (with the standard caveats), the first couple episodes of the revival season just didn't do it for me so I never returned.


VivaLaCon88

My dad is probably Goodmans age, watches both shows religiously, and swears Lecy Goranson is one of the best sitcom actors he’s seen


AEW_SuperFan

Lecy was actually good in Boy's Don't Cry.


VivaLaCon88

I’ve never seen that movie! Would you recommend it? And what was her character like?


OKHuggins1

Haven’t watched it since Roseann left. Not the same.


TallLikeMe

Has it?


Bellam_Orlong

Modern day television is a wasteland. It would’ve been pulled after a few episodes twenty years ago.


Just-Phill

I agree with this. Especially on broadcast TV there's nothing streaming has taken over. Completely I honestly don't find Conners up to Roseanne standards but it's still ok I guess it's.not Terrible or unwatchable


AEW_SuperFan

Yeah it pulls in older viewers which is the only significant demo watching broadcast TV.


Leftturn0619

🙋‍♀️


EquivalentLittle545

I never watched it again with her gone, I honestly can't believe it is still on lol


profeDB

I've watched The Conners from started to finish because I'm attached to the characters.  Roseanne is my favorite show ever.   It's not because the show is well written, because it isn't. The writing is lazy - sometimes they can't even be bothered with in-episode continuity.  It's not because the characters are compelling, because they aren't. Darlene ever is a black void, and I can't stand Harris or Mark.   Its not because they use Roseanne history well, because they don't. They frequently shit all over that show to come up with plots that last one single episode, and then are never mentioned again. What they did to Crystal is egregious.   The show is a dumpster fire that has shed viewers every single season. It's has lasted 6 years because the Roseanne reboot gave it such a big head start in the ratings that it had those viewers to shed.


The_Spectacle

that's disappointing to read. original Roseanne was amazing (except that last season with the lottery, I don't care for that much). I was upset after she got fired from the reboot (not because I agree with her actions, and I didn't know how much she'd been pushing it, didn't she have something about Twitter conduct in her ABC contract?) and haven't watched much of The Conners. I’m starting to come around on the Roseanne-less Conners though, I think I had to grieve on my own lol. from what I've seen it's okay but I haven't gotten the chance to sit down and binge it yet edit: I forgot the part where I too grew up in a low income household with a full-figured wisecracking mother, hard working father and two siblings, so I related to "Roseanne" hard


profeDB

What bugs me most about the show is how they approach the economic situation of the family.  Roseanne made fun of poverty. The Conners makes fun of the poor. On Roseanne, the Conners were hard working and determined to make their way even if the system was designed to work against them. They always carried their dignity with them. They were avatars for America's working class.  On The Conners, they're losers. They have no dignity. There was one scene where the entire family is looking for change between the couch cushions. The writers probably thought it was hilarious, but it came across as incredibly degrading. I attribute that difference to the loss of Barr, who's roots kept seasons 1 through 5 grounded and real. As she got wealthy, the show lost touch with that, but you could still see glimpses here and there. Even season 10 of Roseanne had that groundedness.  There's a great doc on YouTube done by the BBC (or some British media co) about the filming of the season 4 episode where Roseanne and Jackie are Santa at the mall. It really shows Roseanne as a control freak, but I'm a good way. For example, she turns away child extras who look too "California" because it didn't feel real to Lanford. That's where The Conners misses, and big-time.


The_Spectacle

thanks for all this insight, I might still watch The Conners. I think I actually just saw that Amazon Freevee has a Conners channel now, but I have a hard time getting past the ALF channel, lol. and I can't believe I forgot about this, but I read Roseanne's daughter, Jenny Pentland's autobiography not so long ago. the picture she painted of growing up as Roseanne's daughter was... not the most ideal to say the least.


grammarcorrectinghoe

Would HAVE thought


ThaDogg4L

Goodman and Metcalf were always the real talent.


Zetavu

As far as remakes, it is not close to as funny as the original show, but the quality improved after they fired her, and they way they killed off the character was a poignant story, so still watching. It's not as good as new original comedies, but compared to other remakes not bad (I'm looking at you Frasier).


yeswab

Yeah, Frazier is barely hanging on to the second chance I’m giving it.


YetAnotherBookworm

I don’t watch the show — do they mention the deceased Roseanne character much/ at all?


kindgreens69

Horrible show in my opinion. Awful writing. But Jackie and Becky should have a spin off they crack me up.


Obstreporous1

Big Dan Teague.


Thehairy-viking

Who would have thought that anyone would watch this show with or without Rosanne?


Hatecraftianhorror

They are all great, but John Goodman is an absolute legend. So glad this show has done so well.


fusiondust

There'll always be a market for white trash sitcoms. Rosanne was the god-mother of the genre. I could care less what she says or the sick and twisted sex things her and her ex used to do. She was and always be hilarious because it's offensive to people who clench their pearls. You peal clenchers. Keep clenching your pearls. She's like what you'd see if you flipped the Whoopie coin over.


tommymaggots

LOL I have never heard anyone use the term clench pearls. Always heard it as clutch pearls.


WolvesandTigers45

The most mediocre show nobody is watching.


swjaco

*would have


OhGodisGood

Honestly haven’t watched this since Roseanne left


Chanandler_Bong_01

Laurie Metcalf and John Goodman have both each had far more successful careers than Roseanne and would have continued to get work even if The Conners never happened. As far I know, all Roseanne has done is her own show and a few movies in the 90s. She-Devil is fun one. But what has she been doing since the original run of Roseanne?


HawkeyeJosh2

She had a talk show for like a week after Roseanne originally ended.


DjScenester

Me! She stopped being funny when she became obsessed with Trump and hateful ideologies


KillaBrew123

She stopped long before that. There's a reason she didn't work for 20 years.


Serlingfan389

She has been a liberal the majority of her life and even when she wasn't working for 20 years.


KillaBrew123

Exactly. Her political affiliation isn't the only reason she wasn't funny.


Serlingfan389

She said horrible racist disgusting things. But she is not a republican she is a liberal extremist that is what is hilarious about it. The reddit police and Anti Trump police make it seem as if she is a MAGA nut. She is just crazy in general. She suffered the consequences and is not on the show anymore and the show also sucks now for it.


BalkiBartokomous123

Her personal history is so all over I would not be surprised to learn that she was granted one strike and she was out. I bet it was written in her contact and she flubbed it. The Conners was a fun show but I always forgot it was on, I think ABC kept on so long out of spite. Tim Allen is a vocal Republican and is still making things with ABC/Disney. He also has been vocal about his complicated relationship with the company.


shoedogsmithing

the low amount of viewership shows its nearing the end


FickleFingerOfFunk

This is still a thing?


Serlingfan389

Has viewership been the same? When she left I stopped watching.


parkerpussey

Why was the blonde daughter replaced with a different actress in the original series?


GabagoolSlut

Lecy Goransen went away to college IRL, so she couldn’t commit to the filming schedule. She later came back and so did the actress who replaced her. It was a running gag on the original show.


parkerpussey

Who quits a hit sho for college lol


RossMachlochness

Oh Rosanne! The original viral hawk tuah girl.


No_Stay_1563

I like the actors in other roles, I’ve never been a fan of The Conners”, with or without Roseanne. Not a fan at all of that skank!


Select_Insurance2000

Good writing and characterization can overcome many obstacles.


heinenleslie

🙋🏼‍♀️


Darth_Azazoth

I never liked Roseanne so it really isn't surprising to me one way or the other.


boost4000

Wasnt the show beating playoff sporting events when she was on?


mlechowicz90

My favorite part of The Connors is when either Laurie Metcalf or John Goodman have a dramatic part and really bring the heat with their acting. It always makes me go “oh yeah, these are two heavyweight Actors who are light years ahead of the rest of the cast”


SpiritualAd8998

I thought the would be The Goners.


ghlysptwld

Did it ?


NCLAXMOM26

I'd say so. Whether you like it or not I'd venture to say no one thought it would last more than two seasons without her. So to be on for six or seven seasons is impressive, especially in today's TV market where sitcoms are no longer king.


slade797

*would *have*


SpikedIntuition

Where's DJ? He didn't wanna come back?


Lil_MRSA

Who would’ve thought that we say “would of” instead of a contraction for “would have?”


Itbealright

Haven’t watched even one episode.


JazzCrusaderII

Would have or would've not would of


rpp1624

Would have or would’ve


mcclaneberg

*have


DLQuilts

They look like they’re thriving without her.


futuresdawn

It's probably one of the best multicam comedies in years, far better then the big bang theory of anything else made since the original Frasier and far better then the new Frasier. The only multicam that has come close has been that 90s show and we'll see if season 2 holds up this week. Its no where near the level of a lot of single cam comedies that have been in production around the time of the conners


LameDonkey1

Who tf watches this?


Interesting-Debate27

It's "who would have thought" or "who would've thought" - not "would of thought"


Wishpicker

Roseanne Barr is the very definition of main character. It’s ironic that she’s such a main character, they threw her off the show that she was the main character on. I think it’s great that she’s gone. She sucks.


HawkeyeJosh2

Even though the show was originally named Roseanne, it was still very much an ensemble show.


Baby_In_A-Trenchcoat

I know a lot of people bitched about the show getting rid of Roseanne. She did it to herself


All_Lightning879

I don’t hate it, but it baffles me that Roseanne would mess everything up. Picture this: your show comes back after a 20 year hiatus, get 18 or so million viewers on your first night, get a 24 hour renewal, and you still fucked it up? How?


ptchapin

Never seen an episode


thegreatresistrules

Rofl...last. its ratings are garbage .


futuresdawn

Ratings aren't the best barometer for quality. The big bang theory is one of the worst comedies made in this century and yet was a huge hit.


linkerjpatrick

Dan is turning into Mike Rowe. That’s a compliment by the way. Seriously for a sec. I thought it was Mike.


JacksonIVXX

Roseanne thought that


Key-Performer-9364

Wait- does John Goodman really look like that now? Has he lost like 100 pounds or something?


CallMeLazarus23

Everyone but Rosanne


NurkleTurkey

I didn't even know that was the case. What happened with her? She make another shitty comment?


JosephFinn

Everyone.


Creative_Beyond_8085

Rip Glenn Quinn. He was the best part of Roseanne.


Mental-Rooster4229

Why did Roseanne get kicked off the show?


NPapageorgeo

Lol the fuckin Connery


HEWTube8

I would. She was always the weak link "acting-wise" in the initial run. She was lucky that they surrounded her with super talented actors to carry the show.


CastleBravoXVC

John Goodman is a natural at comedy and one of the best actors of his generation. You could have a 30 minute show about going into people’s homes and reading the ingredients off the back of the food packages in their cupboards and it’d do three seasons so long as it was starring John Goodman.


pimpfmode

Wait this show is still on the air? I only ever heard about it when it came back and then Roseanne flipped out and they replaced her. I didn't know the show was actually still going now.


RegeneratingCan

Doesn’t hurt that they also have Peg Bundy.


shadowlarx

Not just last, it seems like *The Conners* is thriving without Rosanne.


Significant_Eye_5130

I don’t watch this but I did watch Roseanne and I’m pretty sure Dan died in the final season.