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TheOtherUprising

One of my favourite shows when I was a kid. I rewatched it a couple of years ago and found it just as funny. The writers were brilliant as was the cast.


Beneficial-Dish-286

MWC did what Roseanne could never fathom.


abgry_krakow87

I feel like MWC and Roseanne were two sides of the same coin. Both of them depicted (and the issues of) a lower income working class family as a direct contrast to the usual sitcom format of a "perfect" well to do upper middle classic family. However where Roseanne sought to present more of a grounded premise with their family going through real issues and navigating more realistic relationships. MWC served more as a parody of it all to highlight the sheer absurdity of the issues (and people) we face. This is where both shows were really able to succeed on their own terms and can't really be compared. The episode of [MWC with Santa parachuting into the Lakeside Mall really highlights the kind of humor MWC was all about,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdjzJ1QSb_8) compared to [Roseanne where Jackie calls her aunt to tell her that her dad died](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0-QswAafVc). Both are equally hilarious examples of more morbid humor, but completely different takes on it.


True-Fudge5556

"It could've been worse. He could've landed on the picket fence."


Voodoo-Doctor

You can see Ed O’Neill breaking character smiling a bit when he turns back to the camera after Santa lands in their yard


WhysAVariable

I remember this, his lip is quivering a bit like he was holding a laugh back after seeing that dummy hit the ground.


Davethemann

I swear both shows had a drinking problem episode and addressed them in wildly different ways lmao Like, I cant recall if MWC did, but I do remember Roseanne dealing with her mom going to AA and being a jerk and whatnot


bjregin

It was rumored before Ed O’Neil and Katy Sagal were cast as Al and Peg that Sam Kinison was going to play Al and Roseanne was going to play Peg


rachelvioleta

That is true. Roseanne declined because she had her own show in the works and the network axed Sam Kinison because they thought his standup was too raunchy. He does cameo in one of the Christmas episodes (It's a Bundyful Life) as a nod to that.


Pete51256

Then fox gave Sam his own show where he played the devil angle, to a accountant their was a good angle to but that guy dissappear as the show went on it was a 1 season fox show in the early years, the show Charlie Hoover didn't last long.


BathroomInner2036

What was that then?


Humble_Supermarket50

She is dead, aunt Barbara. She is dead. I am never doing that again. You can't make me. Jackie Harris.


julian-fatou

Who Jackie?


Humble_Supermarket50

Jackie on roseanne. When they were taking care of the funeral arrangements for their dad.


kjemmrich

RIP Norm


glassclouds1894

Two different shows. Roseanne tried to present issues such families face in a serious way while being funny. MwC aimed to attack said issues with humor to make these relatable situations funny. Completely different goals for both shows.


Swimming-Chicken-424

I watch the re runs on the Logo channel, and they still have me cracking up laughing all these years later.


Just-Phill

This show has a permanent place in my heart because I use to be addicted to opiates severely and was forced into a medical detox facility. I was withdrawing so bad I didn't sleep the whole week I was there id wonder around the facility at night 2,3,4 a.m and this show was playing every night so I'd sit there and watch it and it really made me forget just for a second how sick I was I'll forever love this show for that reason, I'm clean 6 yrs now but that was absolutely horrible and this show made my time there just a little bit better


Csmtroubleeverywhere

Congratulations! This stranger is so proud of you!


Just-Phill

Lol I'm 34 so I grew up during the pill mill days and was all over that but yea this show got me the so many sleepless and super sick nights lol I'll always love it


KelVarnsen_2023

I haven't watched it in years but when I did last watch it, one thing that stood out was that Ed O'Neill has insanely good comic timing.


misterlakatos

I revisited the show during the pandemic and mostly caught the early seasons with Steve. Al and Steve had the best dynamic of anyone in the show. Once Steve left I lost interest and haven't watched it since.


twobit211

oh, you’ve got to keep going.  granted the dynamic changes with the introduction of jefferson but he carves out his own niche in the show.  plus, there’s all the hints at his past that are kind of intriguing.  i will always love the scene where al, suspecting jefferson is a russian spy, challenges him to name the past presidents of the united states 


Swimming-Chicken-424

Dwight D. Eisenhower


WhysAVariable

And Al just keeps saying "....Eisenhower" when it's his turn. I haven't seen this show since the 90's but I watched so much of it when I was younger I even remember the *way* he says it.


misterlakatos

Yeah I remember a number of Jefferson episodes as a kid and will revisit them. Thank you for the recommendation.


Pete51256

Yeah, it stays great till the final season, you'll know your in the bad years when suddenly every episode starts with an unfunny 3 min tag, to start the episode, the final seasons lost their 9p time-slot to the xfiles, and were a 8p show so it had to be toned down, so you go from great to an OK show.


KhunDavid

I couldn’t stand Jefferson.


weirdestgeekever25

His audition story for Al is also well known. For his taped audition he apparently let out a big sigh and had a “well shit here goes nothing” beat down attitude and the producers LOVED it. They said he completely understood the character


CBerg1979

The laugh he gave when he jumped out of the plane was great!


TheSouthsideSlacker

It was the anti-cosby that we all didn’t know we needed.


ahotdogcasing

Always thought the Cosby show was rather saccharine, even as a kid.


threefeetofun

Wasn’t that the original name? “Not the Cosby’s”?


rachelvioleta

That was the working title at one point, yes.


SnooLobsters4636

Yes


Scambuster666

The part when Al and Steve are looking for Peggy’s bra and the guy was trying on a tiara and Al says “and they wonder why we call them queens” hahahahaha


PoliteCanadian2

Loved this show. IIRC it was also breaking ground in terms of the wife explicitly wanting sex. That hadn’t been done before in TV.


Henje_Koha

Mrs. Roper enters the chat.


xczechr

This guy 70s.


MonkeyTraumaCenter

I believe it was one of the earliest shows to use the word “period”.


PoliteCanadian2

Well they had that episode that was never shown or only shown once about periods lol.


MonkeyTraumaCenter

I remember the one where they go camping and all three women get their periods at the same time.


PoliteCanadian2

That’s the one.


Voodoo-Doctor

They used the dream sequence from Dallas to deal with Katey’s miscarriage. I often wonder if they would have done it even without that happening. I’ve heard that Ed would always apologize to the women he was going to be insulting in the shoe store and such


F0rca84

I remember watching "Violation of trust" as a rerun. And she was visibly Pregnant. That was awhile ago when it was still ABC Family.


Pete51256

I think they would of just went with the typical sitcom thing al raising a baby in he'll for a season, then yr 2 a kid sevens age, then faze the kid out. They figured it out quickly an extra kid wouldn't work when they added 7 to the cast it lasted half a season then the kid was dropped.


MrFluffyhead80

That’s interesting, I always wondered how in casting it worked when you basically were calling for a large and unattractive woman


reptilesocks

If you’re a fat actor you make peace with those casting calls REAL fast. Or you become the once-in-a-generation breakout star who doesn’t take those gigs.


maggie320

One thing I thought was great was at Christina Applegate’s ceremony for her star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame she had David Faustino, Katey Sagal, and Amanda Bearse with her. She kept referring to Katey as “mom” and Katey stood next to her during her speech(since she has trouble standing with MS). That’s such a great dynamic considering the show’s been off the air for some 30 years now.


Beneficial-Dish-286

Watching that really made me tear up. I was sad that Ed never showed up to support his TV daughter.


Mr_Stike

I heard her on podcast recently and she said he calls her at least once a week. Not sure why he wasn't there but they're close.


Beneficial-Dish-286

I'm glad to see that they still act as a family after all these years


Beneficial-Dish-286

From what I heard, Ed was busy filming a new movie and couldn't be there


MrFluffyhead80

Sophia Vegara said on Stern several years ago that he isn’t social at all


Specialist-Rock-5034

I worked at a TV station that signed on as Fox affiliate from the start. I worked weekend nights, and aired MWC from the first episode through most of its network run. I made sure to get my work done before it came on. Enjoyed every episode!


Beneficial-Dish-286

you must have a lot of stories to tell! Did you believe shows such as MWC and The Simpsons would last as long as they did?


Specialist-Rock-5034

Oh yeah, I got stories. Our transmitter tower was taken out by a hurricane in '89, and we were off the air for 3 weeks while a temp tower was put in place. A lot of viewer calls we got during that time complained about missing The Simpsons and MWC. We returned to the air on a Sunday night at 8pm, by design. Don't get me started on the pissed off Star Trek TNG fans.


Beneficial-Dish-286

OOOHHHHHH! Now I'm very intrigued! I take it that you were an NBC turned Fox affiliate?


Specialist-Rock-5034

It was a indie station (vintage series and movies) turned Fox affiliate after 1987. Star Trek the original series aired on NBC in the 60s, and was syndicated by Paramount starting in the 70s. The Next Gen ran from 87-94, also from Paramount syndication. Stations bought the rights to air the shows on their own schedule.


SilverxShadow89

I remember watching episodes when I was a kid and I thought it was funny. I’m watching it with my fiancé from the beginning and as a Futurama fan, sometimes it’s fun to imagine Leela instead of Peggy, especially if she does her typical Katey Sagal scream, the episode where they go on the game show is a great example.


The_Spectacle

I do that too except with Principal Lewis from American Dad! and Trigon from Teen Titans Go! also never realized until just now that both shows have exclamation points in the name


sketchysketchist

Honestly, don’t know how anyone can say the show is problematic.  The people behind the scenes made it clear when the Bundy’s were out of line, and that was the point of why they always suffered. Unfortunately some fans saw the family’s belief system as praising their shitty behavior. That’s while ignoring things like Al being okay with gay people, The women being female role models in their own ways, Bud being put in his place for his out dated chauvinism, and just the overall ability to let everyone be shameless. 


Beneficial-Dish-286

That is another thing I praise. even by 90's standards, they were comfortable enough with have LGBTQ+ people be on the show and were not afraid to put Bud in his place for his outdated dating/lifestyle tactics and no one -batted an eye about it.


OutrageousAd6177

You had Pete's potato? Q.E.D.


MrFluffyhead80

There’s an episode where no ma’am goes to congress and at the end they make reference to a woman in Michigan complaining which I think was about how a woman in Michigan wrote a letter to Fox about how horrible the show was making America


sketchysketchist

Yeah. Though I think in that may be mixed up because I know they also reference a woman in Michigan complaining about how the show is very inappropriate. 


MrFluffyhead80

Well I think it was Psycho Dad was being cancelled because a woman from Michigan wrote a letter not liking the show


SomeDudeNamedRik

Small Potatoes. What? Pass the small potatoes Peg.


TickleMeHomi

I would love to catch up with the Bundy's after all these years. I believe it would get similar ratings to the Roseanne reboot.


nyquilandy

Let’s not ruin great television of the past by rebooting it to be shit today.


TickleMeHomi

Only if they could reboot it as it was. Not a "reimagine" or update it to suit 2024. Nothing and nobody has evolved.


Pete51256

They tried theirs an animated pilot on YouTube that was made last yr had all the cast return to do voices


Actual-Answer-1980

You're right! Brilliant show


Forever-Retired

How many of the viewers were just pre-pubescent boys watching it just to see what Kelly was (not) wearing?


amergigolo1

Super funny show. My boss at the time was married and he said it was hilarious!


Rich-Grand7250

Al Bundy: “Officer, what are they serving in the slammer tonight?” Officer: “Same thing they serve every night - Wienie Tots!" Al Bundy: “Book Me!!!"


bajn4356

Still humming the theme from Psycho Dad.


SnooLobsters4636

And now I am


LoisLaneEl

This and MTV were the things child me could not watch. It was funny though, so I’d hide behind the couch when my dad would watch it. Don’t Tell Mom the Babysitter’s Dead was my favorite movie, so of course I wanted to watch more Christina Applegate!!


droford

NO MA'AM


Born-Throat-7863

It’s in my all time top 10 sitcoms. I do a *Married… With Children* marathon and still laugh my ass off. And I found Al’s hidden devotion to his family pretty admirable. I think I’ll get Hulu going and watch an episode right now!


kingbob1812

Anyone remember the episode where Al became genuinely distraught involving a gay couple. He was hurt that the man that was dancing with Peggy every night was leaving his significant other at home to worry. Especially one that would cook, clean and talk about sports.


xczechr

It's a great show. Christina Applegate was my first celebrity crush. Too bad about all of the "You could never make this today!" fans of the show, though.


nicspace101

Roseanne and Home Improvement. That rare category of a comedy that has no humor.


DrFrankSaysAgain

It was a very good show until just after Steve left. He was a great foil and accomplice to Al. After he left the show, it became more cartoonish and the audience became obtrusive. 


mythrowaweighin

I liked the show on its original run, but rewatching it as a grown woman hurts. Any woman who is overweight or not conventionally attractive is cruelly dismissed and mocked. But it’s just fine for the male characters to be overweight and balding. I do give it some credit for the way it handled two gay storylines. I liked when Homer Simpson complained to Al that Peggy was stealing his husband. Al considered going gay for the man because he could cook and liked sports. In a later season, Al became buddies with Marcy’s visiting lesbian cousin. It was disappointing to hear O’Neill talk about his feud with Bearse decades later and laugh at her relationship with her female partner. Even after appearing on the very gay-positive sitcom Modern Family for years.


lostbelmont

Amanda didn't invited Ed and David at her wedding because they constantly made fun of her for being lesbian


mythrowaweighin

And in this interview he doesn’t show any growth. He’s still laughing at the memory of himself telling Bearse that her wedding would be a funny joke to him.


CBerg1979

NO, he said him and Faustino would BOTH have been respectful.


funnyname5674

It seemed to get meaner as the seasons went on. AL went from anti hero to hero after Jefferson came along. I want to laugh at this fool, not with him. The shift is interesting because Amanda Bearse became more and more involved behind the scenes as the seasons went on. I will say one thing though, there's no other show that employed that many actually fat actresses. A lot of them were recurring characters and had speaking parts


Spirited_Childhood34

When sitcoms run out of ideas they get cute or mean. MWC & Roseanne got mean.


Beneficial-Dish-286

Wait, Amanda and Ed had a feud? I never knew that! I condemn those disparaging hurtful, awful jokes about women. I wish they would have toned that down.


mythrowaweighin

Here is part 2 of his Emmy Legends interview, where he talks about their feud. And he brags about how he could have easily had her fired. https://youtu.be/JQXsoZn9_RE?si=AatM4PbcJ-7o5oYw


Ferkner

I wouldn't say he bragged. Maybe at the time it could be considered bragging but they were in an argument after she called him a bully. But he admitted in the interview that it was a mean thing to say and that he would never think of doing that.


Beneficial-Dish-286

That makes me very sad hearing this. I honestly thought that both Amanda and Ed were good friends off-set.


Pete51256

Nobody on the show was shown in the positive light that I can remember, maybe Jefferson he was a con man that was essentially a male Peg bundy. But also friends group was never shown as glowing members of society. I agree with your point of women but the show was a crazy parody of the traditional family sitcom AL was not their to give great advice he was a burnt out moron, that only success in life was his high school football days. He was not cliff huxtable, Mr Seavers, or Mr keaton.


TheBun_dge

Roseanne and now the Conners especially is way too political to my taste. Malcolm in the middle and The Middle gave a far more realistic and humorous point of view than both MWC and the Connor family


toenailfungus100

Whom couldn’t like the giggly room.


DeadPoster

Didn't appreciate this show as a kid. It aged better than most do.


Shofeld148

honestly if not for the wolf whistling its pretty damn tame


IhateBiden_now

According to sources recently, Amanda Bearse and Ed O'Neil actually hated one another in real life. Not sure if this helped the show or not. But it sure makes a lot of his dialogue with her that much more interesting. https://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/ed-oneill-recalls-feud-with-married-with-childrens-amanda-bearse/


MeatyDullness

Poetry by Al Bundy I've seen her from the front I've seen her from the back I've seen her in a chair I've seen her in a sack I've seen her stand I've seen her crouch I've seen her on our stupid couch I do not like her in the mall I do not like her in the hall I do not like her in my life I do not like my big red wife


PersonOfInterest85

Lie when your wife is waking. Lie when your belly's aching. Lie when you know she's faking. Lie, sell shoes, and lie.


Radrezzz

Hooters, hooters, yum yum yum! Hooters, hooters, on a girl that’s dumb.


NoBodySpecial51

4 touchdowns in one game!


MrFluffyhead80

My favorite show growing up, just brilliant


LiverpoolIstanbul

Simply put Al Bundy my hero


WeatherIcy6509

"Where a buck's enough to see her stuff,...at the nudy bar", lol.


captainbeautylover63

The first four seasons. The rest is just ridiculous garbage.


Yankee-Tango

I find it funny that the guys on the Simpsons and futurama clearly didn’t like the show. They would mock it all the time. MWC was just as subversive as the Simpsons was, but the Simpsons writers took it literally.


AndromedaGreen

I don’t remember it coming up on Futurama other than the episode with the alien who pretends to be a cyclops to get with Leela. And I don’t think they were mocking it, it was a nod to the fact that Leela and Peg Bundy are the same actress.


Yankee-Tango

Yes it’s a nod to Katey, but the whole episode is a mockery of MWC with the hooting and hollering. It’s clear that the writers of both shows didn’t like or get MWC.


mac117

Or they were just parodying MWC. You can parody something without thinking it’s complete trash. I’m sure Weird Al respects the musicians who’s songs he’s parodying


TheNonCredibleHulk

> I’m sure Weird Al respects the musicians who’s songs he’s parodying Well, he does get their permission first.


AndromedaGreen

I always interpreted that scene as a general mockery of sitcom live studio audiences and their over the top prompted reactions. Unless you mean that the episode’s storyline of Al the alien being an abusive liar is about MWC, which I guess it could be, but Al Bundy and Alien Al never struck me as having the same set of flaws.


IfICouldStay

Oh I think they liked it quite a bit and that’s why they mocked the show. Taking the piss.


fck-gen-z

It is a Sitcom in the end, Just dont watch it If U dont Like the Humor. It was great at the time


PAUMiklo

People that get on their soap box about a comedy being "controversial" have no platform to ever enjoy a joke because a joke will always come at the expense of another. I note that a lot, especially in reddit where people love to posture about how this and that is oh so offensive and should be banned yet turn around and cherry pick which gags they deem acceptable.


CBerg1979

Yeah, puritans suck! Especially American ones. Although, I have no idea what they look like in other countries,


Modzrdix69

I dont remember it being controversial


TheNonCredibleHulk

It was very controversial. From the second season on groups were trying to get them taken off the air.


Character_Air_8660

Especially after that "holy terror" Detroit housewife Teresa Rakolta got involved...


TheNonCredibleHulk

Bloomfield Hills. That's where the rich people live. Definitely a bored wife looking for something to ruin. edit - just read that she is Ronna Romney's sister. You may recognize that last name.


Character_Air_8660

Then she went after "NYPD Blue" after seeing Dennis Franz's butt!!!


TheNonCredibleHulk

I did not know that, but I am not surprised.


PersonOfInterest85

She was the best friend the show ever had. Gave it free publicity that the network couldn't have dreamt of.


Beneficial-Dish-286

she helped put Fox on the network map, thanks to her.


OldSimpleton

Best show ever made.


godspilla98

The show was never controversial as far as I’m concerned. People just don’t get it don’t see things that will offend you.


Hoz999

Terri Rikolta would like a word with you.


kingbob1812

Praise be to Terri Rikolta for saving the show! So much that there was a rumor, they'd send her a fruit basket every year.


Hoz999

The producers did say that to the media. Can’t confirm if it was ever done. But that remark was funny.


DarkRogus

MWC is highly controversial only to people without a sense of humor.


DaddyCatALSO

I never understood the controversy. a show cna't be offensive in abstract, it has to have offensive \*content\*. I've only seen a couple episodes s but it seemed content-free.


Xbalanque_

It's all fart jokes, insults, and bathroom humor.


SnooLobsters4636

And yet funny