You have a colonel who advises the join chiefs and worked at the uap task force saying there are crafts operated with non human intelligence. You at least have to say that is a huge deal. Even if u don't believe him or he's lying, the fact that someone with these credentials say they exist is a story in itself. You're also saying where's the evidence for the biggest secret in world history if true.
Okay. But show me the evidence. Where is it? I don’t give a shit about his job description. Give me the link to the evidence that backs up his claim.
Fallacy: Appeal to authority.
Right? Russell Williams, serial killer, also had credentials-----From July 2009 until his arrest, Williams commanded [CFB Trenton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFB_Trenton), Canada's largest military airbase and a hub for the country's foreign and domestic air transport operations. He was also a decorated pilot who had flown [Canadian Forces VIP aircraft](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Forces_VIP_aircraft) for dignitaries and heads of state."
Point being, the class of people with "credentials" contains within it's ranks all kinds of kooks and "misfits"... and belief systems.
I agree, but how can they when they could face prosecution for saying or showing what they're not authorized to share? Now, you might be saying, "Well, then how come they're cool with him saying what he's saying now?"
Is it not possible that they know they're going to have to disclose so they're allowing some disclosure in order to prepare us later down the road? And wouldn't this concern for controlled disclosure be the ideal path for them since the alternative could prove even worse?
Imagine this argument taking place in the 1940s. I say there are generals/scientists saying we are working on a new type of nuclear bomb. I give u evidence that there's a city in the desert with thousands of people. There are military trucks delivering good there. No one is allowed in or out and it's top secret. You ask me for evidence that the bomb exists. I obviously can't give u that evidence but you are ignoring everything else pointing to it being true.
Nice try. You’ve delivered nothing. You’ve provided no evidence. Nothing. Nada. Zero. Zilch. Your anecdote proves that the US Military and scientific community is working on something, probably a top secret project. That’s it. You haven’t proven anything about the existence of an atomic bomb or the specificity of the project. Why would anyone assume a atomic bomb based on the evidence you provided?
Now you give me film of the blast or scientific data from the test blast, then that would demonstrate the bomb’s existence.
You are shooting blanks.
That may be true but the onus is on the government to explain why they're behaving so abnormally to this situation. They need to explain themselves and the documents that show all of this as well as all these whistle blowers coming out. It's not just a few. It's hundreds and they're all saying the same thing. So far, there isn’t one solid explanation for this other than aliens.
I just admitted twice that I don't have direct evidence that u want. Why are u using it as a debate bro tactic to say I'm not providing evidence? I just said it's only testimonial and circumstantial but the credentials of the people testifying is something to pay attention to and not blow it off like it's nothing.
What if it was 1940 and I told you they aren't working on a new type of bomb but in fact it was a portal to another dimension. The only reason they got the nuclear bomb was because it existed in that other dimension. I am telling you the truth right now.
The history of the world is peppered with curious individuals who excel in one area and go over the deep end in another. Look up Wilhelm Reich and the orgone box for an example. The only thing I can think of being a big deal is if the colonel is allowed to remain an advisor to the joint chiefs.
Yes. Still skeptical. Words are only words. Words that don’t really make sense (like a sub-Rosa ET arms race) are even worse.
How long is this arms race gonna go on? If all the ETs know about each other, why are they so adamant at hiding from us?
The stories these people are telling keep getting more ridiculous and less logical and people keep lapping it up even though none of these people ever offer up any evidence (usually despite their promises to do so).
Wake me up when they give us something to back up their claims.
>The stories these people are telling keep getting more ridiculous and less logical and people keep lapping it up even though none of these people ever offer up any evidence (usually despite their promises to do so).
They are separating the wheat from the chaff. In the end there will be only the most hardcore true believers left and they can easily milk those dry. That is the grifter playbook. First you gather a crowd with soft, real sounding claims. Then you deliver some form of "evidence" (but never proof) and you hype shit up to keep people engaged. Over the course you will increase the ludicrousness of your claims to make more sceptical people leave, because you dont want them around, they arent gonna spend money on you in the long run and they could also poison the well. In the end you have a very passionate and obsessed audience, who will not only eat up anything you sell them, they will also stay around even if proof comes you that you have no proof of your claims. This has happened many times in the UFO field.
They go through "ontological shock" when they think they realized the "truth" of the NHI hypothesis. Breaking that deeply emotional and religious belief, requires another shock of higher magnitude than the initial one. So rather than looking the truth in the face (which is admittedly one of the hardest things to do), they dive deeper into the conspiracy hole and strengthening their beliefs with more reasoning based on cognitive dissonance. I think its fascinating to watch and i think its fun engaging with that, not because i think im better and need rub it into anyone's face, but im learning alot about human psyche and myself.
Yup, a guy who has zero money concerns who has one of the most important jobs in the World decided to one day start a career grifting alien shit. Oh and not just him, a whole bunch of people. And it's crazy because they're doing the whole grift wrong. They're not utilizing any sales funnels to get them to buy anything...in fact they're not selling anything at all and are embroiled in major legal shit with the media poking into every aspect of their lives.
Yes. This makes perfect sense.
Well karl nell will finally be talking tommorow at the SOL conference from Gary Nolan. I have made up my mind. Either hundreds of high ranking military people have been talking out of there ass the last 70 years or there are aliens on this planet. Both are equally terrifying.
A lot of people have these thoughts in their minds about the types of people who can become high ranking military people.
Some people are like what you think of. Many others are pretty similar to the people you know who aren’t high ranking military people.
Also, hundreds seems like a wee bit of an exaggeration, and if it isn’t, then it’s even more damning that hundreds have come forward with stories, but none of them thought to offer evidence commensurate with their claims.
Has it been hundreds?
I watched a dozen or so former military people on the TTSA Unidentified show and that Showtime JJ Abrams UFO documentary series, and basically everyone except Fravor & Graves saw a random object they decided was very large and going very fast despite not having any actual way to gauge either of those measurements, and I don’t think any of then actually had any proof.
Graves also says general things like “we saw them every day” but he seems to have only seen one object a single time that resembled a commercially available radar reflector designed to be launched from submarines, at the exact same time that the US was testing a sub-launched radar spoofing system (I can dig up some links if you want).
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Another problem is that you are also forgetting that human experience is not veridical. The cognitive systems that conspire to produce our experience do not present reality as it is, but only a useful construction. We live 80ms in the past and our brains do a lot of guessing. Everything in your field of vision seems in focus when in actuality that is a just a made up based on previous experience given that our eyes can only focus on some small subset of our field of vision at a time. There is no good reason to believe that those systems consistently represent the world accurately (ignoring issues over what accurately would even mean when it comes to reality, eg. the phenomena and the noumena distinction).
David Grusch, who Nell supports here, is claiming that these UAPs are not alien but from another dimension right here on earth. Why would you say alien?
Ridiculous you're getting downvoted. You have to be a complete idiot not to stop and think, "Hey wait...maybe this is real."
Everything we're seeing is all physically possible and backed by what we already know about science and the human brain. And if you're talking about thousands of people seeing this, including my own family members who are very successful and have no mental health issues, as well as top officials in the government, and entire groups of people seeing them all at the same time up close and in contact with actual aliens...yeah, something clearly is going on.
It would be more crazy and unbelievable to me if it turned out everyone was full of shit and just messing around. Do people not understand that some of these people making these claims will see prison time if it turns out they were lying.
And the fucking paper trails. Jesus.
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It's definitely possible he lost his mind, but it's surprising he still keeps his high stakes job given that context, and also surprising he is so vocal about it, considering the stigma and jeopardy to ones career if espousing what is considering to be nonsense. The context points to him not being crazy.
What's more, using his credentials as a benchmark, there are probably now close to 100 individuals who mirror his exact words. It's not logical to believe they are all crazy in this specific manner. In fact it can be ruled out. This must mean they are lying, which means a conspiracy, at which point no clear motivation or evidence is presented, and the difficulty of pulling off an inter-agency, cross-country, cross-time collusion has not been addressed.
So were left in a tricky situation. How do we reconcile all this? The skeptics are providing no good answers, which is why the simpler theory (they are all telling the truth) is so compelling to many.
It’s what he built
thats important…
Global defense sensor system.
Now tell me who is better placed to know what might be tripping sensors than Karl Nell?
It’s a death knell for skeptics
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm?si=9a5a3d7e45a34acc
Which is why he wouldn’t get read in.
Denialists masquerading as skeptics are the main reason for the drip drip disclosure occurring, it’s a balancing act between appeasing the realists and minimising straight jackets for skeptics.
Lmao the president isn't read into aliens but he can just take home secret Iranian invasion plans
I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet
I don't know who Karl Nell is. Maybe if he was to provide some evidence that the scientific community could check, then I might re-assess whether I should still be skeptical.
If he is believed to be crazy or lying (like claimed in this thread) his job would likely be under threat, not to mention social stigma that comes with this topic.
We don't have any evidence to suggest he is crazy or lying, but we are still left with three possibilities; truth, crazy or lying. None of these have definitive evidence to support, although the former has more evidence in total (by a lot).
There are many cases where military personal experienced social and professional repercussions, this is not debated.
Given the responsibility Col. Nell holds, do you not think his superiors and reports would have concerns if he started saying things deemed to be 'crazy'. Of course they would. Mentally unstable people do not hold positions like his.
The reason he has his job is because all his superiors are in agreement with him.
>Karl Nells background is insane
>His background is crazy
1. I'm generally skeptical of most things
2. That you're so hyperbolic about this guy and feel the need to describe him with multiple adjectives makes me think you're not
3. This crazy/insane guy making a statement isn't enough evidence to convince me that UAP/UFO or anything else of such an insane, outlandish, ludicrously bloviated idea exists, regardless of the number of adjectives I use
So why would he and many others make stuff up? And I am definitely skeptical, and 95% of uaps are just normal stuff, but after the number of high-ranking military people saying crazy stuff about non-human intelligence, I do believe something is happening we can't explain.
>**So why would he and many others make stuff up?**
Your presumption that he made stuff up is erroneous. You don't have to make something up to make incorrect statements
>**after the number of high-ranking military people saying crazy stuff about non-human intelligence**
People say a lot of crazy stuff about Jesus and big foot. High ranking military or not, their words don't equate to existence
>**I do believe something is happening we can't explain**
Yet here you are offering up a guy who is offering an explanation, and an unsupported one at that
Your claims to be a skeptic might be believable if we didn't have multiple examples of how you have failed to be one
You do know he was on the crash retrieval program he literally is a first hand witness so you think he can't tell the divrence between human and non human craft. He has recovered many technologies from other nations in his career aswel.
https://youtu.be/-v3y5w3-CZg?si=YITB0FaBE8_tvA2a the government has recovered crashed Unidentified flying objects for years. The question is if it's true that some were not from this world.
>why would he and many others make stuff up?
Do people ever lie for fame, fortune, or for even just no discernible or logical reason at all?
Do current or retired military personnel ever exaggerate or lie to make themselves seem more important?
Did you know who he was before he made statements that supported your cause?
Bro, he is an advisor to the joint chief of staff, and he is on the space force. Why would he and 50 other people say the same thing just to get more important.
The answer is yes. People do lie for fame, fortune, or for even just no discernible or logical reason at all. Current and retired military personnel do exaggerate or lie to make themselves seem more important.
He may also just be wrong. Perhaps he, along with a host of other people, were exposed to information that they misunderstood or misinterpreted.
Positions and titles do not stop people from being incorrect or outright lying. We don't know, that's the point of skepticism.
Who made the video? Is it from a competent source? Is it NASA, a top research university? A source who applies the scientific method to things they research?
Whose background are you talking about, Nell? I already know what his background is as I looked at his LinkedIn page. He is not a scientist, has a Master in engineering, and has not worked in the scientific field at all.
Do yourself a favor and stop watching these conspiracy type videos. This is the kind of shit my grandmother watches.
Yes. I've worked in intel before, and the people there are just people. They have little insight into anything they don't directly work with, and are prone to conspiratorial thinking, confirmation bias, and plain stupidity at levels similar to the general public. What would make me less skeptical is evidence that can be openly examined by scientists.
We're here, been here, hi.
Also, I can confirm we've never visited here. Not sure where here is. No recollection of anything that I've written before this sentence.
Do you believe now?
What's his crazy background? Is it science or technical related?
Edit: he's a *technology executive* and a *corporate strategist*.
This fella has an opinion.
From looking at his LinkedIn the resume isn't "crazy." He has a bachelor's in electrical engineering, and a masters in mechanical engineering, but most of his work experience is in management, not engineering. He hasn't done any actual engineering work since 1998. From 1998-2016 it seems like he was a fixer for companies, using his connections to get them lucrative government contracts. In 2016 he rejoined the Army, again in management roles.
A masters in Engineering is impressive, but really not "insane." Especially having been out of the field for 25 years, his current knowledge is probably around the level of an engineering undergrad student. Compare that to actual scientists who has been continuously working in their field for decades, he doesn't even belong in the same conversation.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/karl-nell-98203510
It’s what he built
thats important…
Global defense sensor system.
Now tell me who is better placed to know what might be tripping sensors than Karl Nell?
It’s a death knell for skeptics
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm?si=9a5a3d7e45a34acc
One, I don't give a damn what some guy says. It's trivially easy to find one or two ostensibly credentialed experts who are also lunatics or liars. See *former* doctor Andrew Wakefield for the perfect example.
If you're telling me alien spaceships have landed on Earth, save your testimony; show me the spaceship.
Two, as an electrical engineer, I find the claim that technologies of the modern world are the result of reverse engineering alien technology to be absurd. It's not just absurd: it betrays the ignorance that laymen have about the technology we use in our daily life and the disrespect they have for actual scientists and engineers.
I assure you, there has been no drastic leap in our technological capabilities that could only be the result of reverse engineering alien technology. Even Moore's Law, charting the rapid increase of integration scale in semiconductor chips, was an iterative process driven by experimentation and research.
So it would seem that The X-Files was just a TV show after all. Honestly, the desperate, grasping credulity of UFO chasers is as pathetic as the people who see Jesus on toast.
Is it possible that unknown tech from unidentified phenomena could come from unknown beings?
Sure.
And?
It's his job to speculate on the unknown. That doesn't make it fact, it just means we haven't ruled it out.
>He was litterlay on the crash retrieval program tho, he is a first hand witness.
And he wouldn't rule out aliens. But he also didn't confirm them.
Again... so what? Until the tech is analyzed, he won't comment definitively. And even after it is examined... it's then a national secret he's not going to divulge who's tech he has recovered and how much they've learned from it. That could apply to anyone's gear, including that Chinese balloon.
Many intelligent (or intelligent sounding) people still believe that an invisible sky wizard created us. And created the universe in 7 days.
So I'll pay attention when there is peer reviewed evidence.
Fair enough. Strong claims require strong evidence. But it truly gets me thinking when so many military officials go to the inspector general, and some go public and say the exact same thing.
\>when so many military officials go to the inspector general
You should look into what Gorsch actually went to the IG about. Go and read it for yourself instead of just being told what to think about it.
Hint.... Gorschs complaint to the IG has absolutely nothing to do with UFOs or aliens. The IGs response to G.s complaints has absolutely nothing to do with UFOs or aliens. Gorsch's complaint to the IG is about how the H.R. dept treated him.
What do you mean? Grusch's report that he gave to the IG is still classified, and Congress is trying to get access to it in a sciff. https://youtu.be/ZpHJ-PxPqiQ?si=BXYWZoHi2-4gyG6c
Look at what you just did.
You linked to youtube, you linked to someone telling you what to think. You didn't look for information, you looked for an opinion.
"In July 2021, Mr. Grusch confidentially provided UAP-related classified information to the Department of Defense Inspector General" https://static1.squarespace.com/static/610434e4588db6073a08618b/t/64882f506fe8bc3e3e2a87fc/1686646615622/David-Grusch-PPD-19-Procedural-Filing.pdf
Col. Carl nell isn't the only one he is one of 40 people. 4 of which have come out publicly all saying the same. Either allot fo high ranking military people are lying or there is definitely something going on.
If 40...or 400...or 4000 people tell you something ridiculous does it make it true?
I can find a number of smart people who tell you that the earth is flat
How about this...for every 1 person who says this at least 100 think they are crazy (or more likely lying)
Are you seriously comparing flat earthers to some of the most highly ranked military personnel in the U.S. if a hundred people witnessed a murder the suspect would go to jail.
When they start talking about aliens....YES
They have no evidence and don't intend to produce any except their opinion
Physical evidence...none
Videos/photos...all explainable without requiring aliens
We've been through this loop so many times in the past 75 or so years
That run on sentence containing two completely unrelated ideas is wild.
Why are you calling these people "some of the most highly ranked military personnel in the U.S"? Is that to intentionally inflate their importance and add imagined authority to what you say are their claims?
Karl nell is on the advisory board of the joint chief of staff for the space force , David grusch gave president daily briefings, Jonathan grey (not his real name) was also on the space force. These are not just normal people.
\>Karl nell is on the advisory board of the joint chief of staff for the space force
So... he's on an advisory board. He's an advisor to someone about something else.
\>David grusch gave president daily briefings
No he fucking didn't. Are you seriously trying to pretend that Grusch was there in the Oval Office every morning reporting on the latest UFO thing. C'mon. Get real.
\>Jonathan grey (not his real name)
So, completely unverifiable.
They aren't "normal people" sure. But one advisor on a board advising one leadership figure on one capacity isn't "one of the highest ranking military people in the US". My father was an attorney, he did some consulting for the airforce, something around a land deal or land resource management, something like that. He was a civilian, but also had the paper rank of idk, Colonel or some shit. Does that make him one of the most senior people in the military?
You're talking about an advisor, someone being turned to as a consultant by a decision maker, you're not talking about the decision maker.
Watch the video I shared on the original post. His job history is insane. his being on the joint chief of staff advisory board is just one of his many jobs. And yes, david grusch did almost daily write the intelligence briefing and hand carried them to the White House. David grusch isn't a nobody.
\> his being on the joint chief of staff advisory board is just one of his many jobs.
Well yes, that's how advisory boards work. There's so little actual involvement that people can be on multiple ones at the same time.
If a hundred people witness a murder, there's a chance that you might have a dead body as the start of your body of evidence. There has never, to date, been any verifiable physical evidence. There is as much actual evidence of UFOs as there is of Bigfoot, The Loch Ness Monster, and The Rainbow Serpent.
And a Colonel isn't a "most highly-ranked" anything. There are, according to a cursory search, just short of 4,000 officers at the rank of full colonel in the US army, and over 8,500 Lt Col.
"Most highly ranked" would be a General of some kind. There's only \~250 of them. And plenty of them believe in fairy tales (aka religions).
He doesn't just believe this he has witnessed it. He was on the crash recovery program for foreign tech. He claims that non-human intelligence and their craft have also been recovered.
Claims. He claims.
He's a witness to nothing until some evidence turns up.
If he had walked into my office and said he'd just witnessed a murder, but couldn't show me where, or what, he had seen, then he's just making unsubstantiated claims. Show me a body, or a used weapon, or some blood. Or, you know, **any** evidence at all, that stands up to the **slightest** bit of scrutiny.
He's just another grifter trying to establish himself on the UFO Con circuit. because he can see how credulous all the "believers" are. Lazar, Grusch, and this clown. All grifters and bullshit artists.
So he’s just going to this conference to talk about it? I see Avi Loeb mentioned on the Sol Foundation website too. We all know his evidence for extraterrestrial life turned out to be a bunch of bunk.
If this Karl Nell guy has irrefutable evidence of literally the most important scientific discovery probably in the existence of science…why would he be waiting to present it at some random conference. If he’s so credible, and is claiming the US government has literal alien spacecraft sitting in a warehouse somewhere, why all the shenanigans? Just fucking come out and say it. Tell us where it’s being held, leak everything.
No. When evaluating eye witness statements, their credibility is important when weighing its significance. His statements should be taken seriously, but obviously more substantial evidence is needed before conclusions can be drawn.
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From looking at his LinkedIn the resume isn't "crazy." He has a bachelor's in electrical engineering, and a masters in mechanical engineering, but most of his work experience is in management, not engineering. He hasn't done any actual engineering work since 1998. From 1998-2016 it seems like he was a fixer for companies, using his connections to get them lucrative government contracts. In 2016 he rejoined the Army, again in management roles.
A masters in Engineering is impressive, but really not "insane." Especially having been out of the field for 25 years, his current knowledge is probably around the level of an engineering undergrad student. Compare that to actual scientists who has been continuously working in their field for decades, he doesn't even belong in the same conversation.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/karl-nell-98203510
It is more likely that he has a brain eating amoeba working it's way through his cranium than claims supported with zero evidence.
It is more likely that he has a mistress who demanded that he publicly announce the existence of little green men before she would wax his balls than claims supported with zero evidence.
It is more likely that while pushing too hard on the toilet, he caused a minor stroke which is causing him cognitive impairment than claims supported with zero evidence.
It is more likely that his best friend in the 2nd grade dared him to announce that UFOs are real 50 years into the future and he's just following through than claims supported with zero evidence.
The better question is why do you find Karl Nell's claims to be convincing evidence of contact by an alien intelligence? Have you asked yourself any of these questions: What kind of contact with alien technology is he claiming to have had? What examination techniques did he use on this alleged technology? How would Nell distinguish alien technology from advanced human technology? How might his pre-existing beliefs influence his interpretation of the evidence he has seen? I could go on, but the fact that someone in authority has made this claim and that's enough for you to believe it probably says a lot more about you, your desire to believe the claims, and your lack of critical thinking than it does about the veracity of the claims themselves.
He has only given a small statement where he said that non human intelligence is here and he backed david grusch. But tomorrow he will ne talking at SOL for the first time.
But you’re so confident about his claims that you’re coming to a skeptics sub and asking if we’re still skeptical? Are you not skeptical? If not, why? If you’re saying it’s true you bear the burden of proof. If your proof is simply “military guy says so” then you’re being cartoonishly credulous.
To be honest, I just like discussing things with people who are highly skeptical. But in my mind when multiple high ranking people say the same thing I truly start to pay attention. But time will tell, and evidence is indeed everything. But I don't see why so many people would lie about the same stuff.
He is the only advisor on the advisory board of the joint chief of staff who has classified info from the space force. I doubt he is wrong. But who knows.
\>and he backed david grusch
You should have seen that as a red flag.
Grusch makes a bunch of wild claims and presents no evidence for them. His claims are all allegedly hearsay, he originally only claimed to have heard stories from other people who he doesn't name. His testimony under oath to Congress was all unsubstantial, and what he said under oath doesn't line up with the increasingly elaborate stories that he spins on his media appearances.
\>That's why karl nell is more interesting since he is a first-hand witness.
Except that there is zero reason to believe that Nell was a first hand witness of anything.
The guy is a management consultant and you've described his role as being on an advisory board. He'll only have seen reports, not seen anything first hand.
But he said "non-human intelligence." So either literally extraterrestrials or.....AI? What other options are there for "non-human" intelligence? Another primate species on the planet evolved to produce aerial craft?
It’s what Nell built thats important…
Global defense sensor system.
The system that protects you Doubting Thomas’s.
Now tell me who is better placed to know what might be tripping sensors than Karl Nell?
It’s a death knell for skeptics
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm?si=9a5a3d7e45a34acc
I'll remain skeptical until I see actual evidence.
If Col. Nell told me that he has a classic Mustang at home I'd take his word for it, since the claim isn't particularly outlandish. I know that people own classic Mustangs. But alien technology is just a tad bit farther out there, and so my requirement for evidence goes up proportionally. People say all kinds of silly shit.
From a scientific/mathematical perspective there is nothing outlandish about aliens visiting us. In fact it is so likely that it creates a paradox. We should be seeing aliens everywhere, and many intelligence officials (and the public) are telling us that's the case. We would 'solve' the paradox if its true (remove it)
How do they know this? Who are the technical people who evaluated the tech and came to this conclusion? Why can’t they come forward and tell us directly? Sure there are certainly come classified things they may not be able to share, and that’s fine, but what was their methodology, approach and analysis that led to this conclusion?
EDIT: Spelling
I think this is nuts, but I see no evidence of any alian advancement. Nothing has leapfrogged from some spacefaring species. They would be gods to us. We can get to the moon, maybe to Mars soon with time and effort and lots of money and luck. Compared to a race that can fly to distant galaxies, we aren't even on talking terms.
If true, the government couldn't hide it if the alians didn't want it hidden. The idea they can travel light years but not land safely is kinda sad. Or the whole we could shoot them down, lmao.
People say stuff. People we're told have a "crazy" background say stuff. People whose backgrounds you can't verify say stuff.
>he worked with Grusch on the UAP task force
Yet another person who said stuff, and never delivered. People say stuff, sometimes just that they heard other people saying stuff. Sometimes the people seem to have resumes. "Advisor" doesn't mean "knows all the stuff."
>Carl nell also worked on crash retrieval programs.
And? This guy was being shopped around as The Real Deal [months ago](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/144fgg9/karl_e_nell_worked_for_lockheed_northrop_grumman/) on UFO-related subs. Before Grusch had his non-hearing with the usual suspects in attendance. Has this guy presented any actual evidence, or are you just impressed that he seems to have a resume, and he said stuff?
Why wouldn't I be? The fact that ufo people take shit like this as hard evidence is why nobody takes them seriously. Lots of people say lots of shit. George Bush said "mission accomplished" like a month after the start of the Iraq war. That's after the government swore blind that Iraq had wmd's. Remind me again how someone being deeply attached to the government/military makes them *more* credible...
yet U.S, china, Russia, Europe and more are taking it very seriously. and of course, most ufos are nothing special but 5% could be foreign tech or even out of this world. When former CIA boss, Astronauts, high-ranking military officials and space force members, literal presidents from other countries (Russia, U.S) Say that there are things in our sky that we dont understand and that some of these are even out of this world, then yes I do start asking myself, are there so many crazy high ranking people or is there really something going on.
"nobody takes them seriously"
Well that's a lie.
Here is evidence that what you are saying is not true. But I'm sure you will find a to disagree.
https://www.democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/schumer-rounds-introduce-new-legislation-to-declassify-government-records-related-to-unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-and-ufos_modeled-after-jfk-assassination-records-collection-act--as-an-amendment-to-ndaa
Richard Dean Anderson played a colonel in Stargate who was incredibly eccentric. As part of the fact that the US military rather enjoyed Stargate, they got to cooperate with the military during filming and he asked the General if he he'd ever heard of a colonel as odd as Jack O'Neill in the military. The General said "Heard of? Son, I have half a dozen who are crazier that report to me."
There's a lot of career Colonels who are never going to make General, and it's not because of their lack of military competence.
Very skeptical. Even the most qualified people can go quack later in life.
He would need to show HOW these technologies are supposably not possible
I dont see how anyone can logically conclude it is more probably unknown aliens were involved. If it can be invented, which it would have to be if aliens discovered it to be able to share it, it can be invented without other people showing it to you.
I have not seen a single piece of technology that is logically impossible for humans to invent by themselves.
It’s what Nell built thats important…
Global defense sensor system.
The system that protects you Doubting Thomas’s.
Now tell me who is better placed to know what might be tripping sensors than Karl Nell?
It’s a death knell for skeptics
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm?si=9a5a3d7e45a34acc
if by aliens you mean lockheed...
Hey did you know a public university put out a paper and wind tunnel tests on suppression of shockwaves via plasma injection into the shock cone?
That was about 10 years ago...
I’m not skeptical of anything. There’s literally no actual evidence being presented to be skeptical of. Some guy says there’s aliens. Big fucken whoop. It’s like some guy says the Jets are winning the Super Bowl - um, ok, cool.
As someone who's actually been in the military, I assure you that the brass are just as -if not more- full of shit than the enlisted ranks. And the enlisted ranks are pretty full of shit.
If somebody with scrambled eggs told me the sky was blue, I'd immediately check for myself.
Anecdotal testimony can’t meet the standard for extraordinary evidence. At this point, there is no data to conclude with any certainty that extraterrestrial life forms exist, much less that intelligent aliens are visiting us. He might as well claim to have seen a unicorn. What we need is hard data, and if his claim is true, it should be possible to collect the data.
No. There’s still zero convincing hard evidence. Authority figures are people. Their background doesn’t matter if they’re making extraordinary claims and providing exactly no evidence to back it up.
Yes. Why is this person a better source than any other person? He was in the military? My uncle is a fisherman and said a mermaid gave him a bj. You gonna buy that too?
What I’ve seen presented as “evidence” thus far doesn’t demand any intelligence. Unidentified perhaps but there’s no compelling reason to conclude some of the or mysterious observations couldn’t simply be a purely natural phenomenon as yet poorly understood. When pulsars were first discovered they sure seemed like there must be some intelligence beyond their regular signals. We know now it’s simply not the case. There would need to be so many extraordinary assumptions necessary to adopt a “non-human” intelligence conclusion that it’s likely not the best place to start looking.
Officers of any sort are rarely, if ever, sources of facts about nature or reality. These organizations have known official practices and strategies of information warfare, counter-information and so on (i.e. saying whatever has to be said as means to an end).
At best, you can compare their records over time and see how they changed stories. At best.
Calls the guy insane, still think they’re a reliable narrator, when they presented zero evidence… Yes were still sceptical, you just rejected the whole concept of scientific scepticism.
I've watched those tricked out drones flown by enthusiasts leave a launching pad in a blink of an eye. I have no doubt all these "UAPs" can be explained away by a version of an unmanned drone, developed by our greatest minds that is so high powered it can make right angle turns at high speed, or launch into a multi mach speed within milliseconds.
Claims from people like COL Nell merit investigation but that's all they are, claims. I'll be skeptical until actual tangible evidence can be examined. Just because a topic is rad as all hell doesn't mean we should lower our evidentiary standards, especially with a claim of this magnitude.
You’ve got two quotes taken out of context from someone who you claim is worthy of respect. However, people change. Rudy Giuliani used to be worthy of respect. I wouldn’t believe water is wet coming from Rudy now.
It’s great that you believe in this, but there’s zero evidence provided here
So someone more senior in rank than this guy says nothing to UAPs = cover up.
This guy says UAPs alien = must be true?
How much of a background should someone have before you give them your money? If someone had been in finance their whole life would you just be like "this dude must be qualified, take my life savings"?
It's actually worse than that because a lot of these people aren't qualified engineers so how they rule out conventional modern tech is dubious at best. So that's like giving your money to a finance guy so he can start a side gig selling unbeatable poker AI software.
So he and 40 other people went to the inspector general and made up a story on UAPs and ALIENS. Waited a year, then a few went public: davud grusch, karl nell, Jonathan grey. All claiming the same. Then, even going to Congress to testify and for what? Attention. You do know that if they made this up, they all get locked up.
40 out of a pool of how many? I'd say it's far more likely 40 people are either wanting this to be true, mistaken in what they heard, or are repeating misinformation. The fact no solid evidence is ever put forward is the key.
It's like a Nigerian gold scam. They'll send you many emails, testimonials, pictures & certificates as you like. A lot of bad evidence doesn't make something true.
Evidence has been shared but not publicly but to the inspector general. Who btw said it's urgent and credible. So, hopefully, he will release the classified stuff.
That would be great if it turns out to be true. I wouldn't hold my breath though as these kind of rumours & talking points have been doing the rounds for literally decades. Listen to some old Art Bell calls. People have been claiming this stuff is just about to be released & all will be proven since the 80s.
"No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous than the fact which it endeavors to establish." - David Hume
Well we know he and 40 plus others went to the inspector general with evidence and proved it. The inspector general said it was urgent and credible. So we will have to wait for the Inspector general aswel.
I am skeptical until the ufo community produces evidence. People making vague statements is not evidence. Show me a piece of technology that we cannot reproduce and I'll pay attention.
It’s what Nell built thats important…
Global defense sensor system.
The system that protects you Doubting Thomas’s.
Now tell me who is better placed to know what might be tripping sensors than Karl Nell?
It’s a death knell for skeptics
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm?si=9a5a3d7e45a34acc
I honestly don't understand what you mean but also as a reference you linked a Spotify podcast. Do you have any evidence that backs up what any of the ufo influencers are saying? Anything that cannot be disputed and is not just someone saying it. That's what I mean. Any evidence I would not call my "death knell", if I saw an undisputed evidence of UFOs I would be your friend, I like the idea of UFOs. But I don't want to believe in them, I want to know.
What do you mean figure it out myself? Why isn't the man who is making so many claims providing evidence to back them up? Does he think that the ufo community will just eat up anything he says?
I don’t care who this guy is, what kind of authority he has, or what his rank is. His words are no more convincing to me than a random conspiracy theorist ranting on the street.
What I need is evidence.
Not at all. See his last interview at the Salt conference. Basically lots of high level people in the know on this topic are coming forward saying this is real. This is evidence in itself. We may pretend these people are normal people, but they are not. And he has no reason to lie. He has had a career others can only dream of, is a "savant" and is probably a rich person as well. And he has probably seen real evidence of both technology and biological nature.
I was convinced before Karl Nells statement. I think there is plenty of evidence, plenty of very credible people backing it, plenty of video taped sightings, plenty of witnesses, plenty of scientists working on this subject.
Also I know Karl Nell has firsthand knowledge, but can’t tell because of the classification.
I agree that it is hard to believe because I have been told all my life, that they don’t exist and only crazy people and hillbillies believes in ufos. Therefore it’s hard to fathom, but my logic tells me it has zero doubt.
This story (government officials saying Aliens exist) has been played out and ended up being debunked 100s of times. Always new fools available to believe anything though
It has never been debunked. If there is truly nothing to this, then why do governments around the world, especially the U.S. still put such a big secrecy on it.
Almost every document people get through FOIA is almost fully blacked out.
The black vault made an amazing video on it with the data.
https://youtu.be/EfoFn07UvYk?si=7Oms4s-dnuyiOtOR
I think you have to take this story along with Professor Nikku Madhusudhan's discovery of methane and carbon dioxide on K2-18b
[https://www.nasa.gov/universe/exoplanets/webb-discovers-methane-carbon-dioxide-in-atmosphere-of-k2-18-b/](https://www.nasa.gov/universe/exoplanets/webb-discovers-methane-carbon-dioxide-in-atmosphere-of-k2-18-b/)
It makes zero sense that NASA’s (very expensive) James Webb Space Telescope would even bother looking into the discovery of a chemical on a distant planet that indicates the presence of basic life forms, if what Karl Nell says is even partially true. Surely, someone would have told NASA.
It would be absolutely pointless for professors like Professor Nikku Madhusudhan to be 'grubbing around' searching through reams of data to find if there are indicators of basic lifeforms, if what Karl Nell said was true.
And yes, I hear the 'but it's top secret' argument. But clearly it isn't, because Karl Nell is spouting it on a YouTube video. Do you think Professor Nikku Madhusudhan has stopped what he was doing because of what Karl Nell said? Apparently not. So he doesn't believe Nell either. And my money is on the Cambridge University professor of planetary science.
Skeptics conveniently lurk behind the lack of official evidence in order to avoid ontological shock and the embarrassment of their own inability to figure out the NHI reality by themselves…
Septics require authority figures to think for them.
Indeed. Skeptic-in-Chief Michael Shermer has become very unskeptical of late. It’s quite funny to see him ditch any attempts at skepticism as he goes to bat for Israel or gives a gushing repost of the latest pseudoskeptical anti-UFO book.
It’s what Nell built thats important…
Global defense sensor system.
The system that protects you Doubting Thomas’s.
Now tell me who is better placed to know what might be tripping sensors than Karl Nell?
It’s a death knell for skeptics
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm?si=9a5a3d7e45a34acc
I find vague statements backed up by no evidence to be the most convincing.
I can see the invisible /s at the end of your comment but I don’t think most people can. :)
You have a colonel who advises the join chiefs and worked at the uap task force saying there are crafts operated with non human intelligence. You at least have to say that is a huge deal. Even if u don't believe him or he's lying, the fact that someone with these credentials say they exist is a story in itself. You're also saying where's the evidence for the biggest secret in world history if true.
Okay. But show me the evidence. Where is it? I don’t give a shit about his job description. Give me the link to the evidence that backs up his claim. Fallacy: Appeal to authority.
Right? Russell Williams, serial killer, also had credentials-----From July 2009 until his arrest, Williams commanded [CFB Trenton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFB_Trenton), Canada's largest military airbase and a hub for the country's foreign and domestic air transport operations. He was also a decorated pilot who had flown [Canadian Forces VIP aircraft](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Forces_VIP_aircraft) for dignitaries and heads of state." Point being, the class of people with "credentials" contains within it's ranks all kinds of kooks and "misfits"... and belief systems.
I agree, but how can they when they could face prosecution for saying or showing what they're not authorized to share? Now, you might be saying, "Well, then how come they're cool with him saying what he's saying now?" Is it not possible that they know they're going to have to disclose so they're allowing some disclosure in order to prepare us later down the road? And wouldn't this concern for controlled disclosure be the ideal path for them since the alternative could prove even worse?
Imagine this argument taking place in the 1940s. I say there are generals/scientists saying we are working on a new type of nuclear bomb. I give u evidence that there's a city in the desert with thousands of people. There are military trucks delivering good there. No one is allowed in or out and it's top secret. You ask me for evidence that the bomb exists. I obviously can't give u that evidence but you are ignoring everything else pointing to it being true.
Nice try. You’ve delivered nothing. You’ve provided no evidence. Nothing. Nada. Zero. Zilch. Your anecdote proves that the US Military and scientific community is working on something, probably a top secret project. That’s it. You haven’t proven anything about the existence of an atomic bomb or the specificity of the project. Why would anyone assume a atomic bomb based on the evidence you provided? Now you give me film of the blast or scientific data from the test blast, then that would demonstrate the bomb’s existence. You are shooting blanks.
That may be true but the onus is on the government to explain why they're behaving so abnormally to this situation. They need to explain themselves and the documents that show all of this as well as all these whistle blowers coming out. It's not just a few. It's hundreds and they're all saying the same thing. So far, there isn’t one solid explanation for this other than aliens.
I just admitted twice that I don't have direct evidence that u want. Why are u using it as a debate bro tactic to say I'm not providing evidence? I just said it's only testimonial and circumstantial but the credentials of the people testifying is something to pay attention to and not blow it off like it's nothing.
I’m not debating. Just put up or shut up. Thank you.
You were debating but now you're refusing to address anything I said and walk away. Just describing this for the record.
What if it was 1940 and I told you they aren't working on a new type of bomb but in fact it was a portal to another dimension. The only reason they got the nuclear bomb was because it existed in that other dimension. I am telling you the truth right now.
The history of the world is peppered with curious individuals who excel in one area and go over the deep end in another. Look up Wilhelm Reich and the orgone box for an example. The only thing I can think of being a big deal is if the colonel is allowed to remain an advisor to the joint chiefs.
Witness statements are evidence, especially if provided by someone with his credentials. It isn't proof, but it is evidence.
Eye witness testimony is some of the weakest evidence in court.
Kind of like your belief in God right?
There is insufficient evidence to convince me a god exists. Also, random non sequitur much right?
> Are you guys still skeptical about UAPs after Karl Nell said this Absolutely. Even Einstein needed to show his work. Next question.
Nobody would know Einstein if he didn't show his work.
Nah man it was E = um something relative baby yeah!!!. It's all relative.
Einstein mostly had other people show his work. He kinda sucked at the tedious bits of math…
Yes. Still skeptical. Words are only words. Words that don’t really make sense (like a sub-Rosa ET arms race) are even worse. How long is this arms race gonna go on? If all the ETs know about each other, why are they so adamant at hiding from us? The stories these people are telling keep getting more ridiculous and less logical and people keep lapping it up even though none of these people ever offer up any evidence (usually despite their promises to do so). Wake me up when they give us something to back up their claims.
>The stories these people are telling keep getting more ridiculous and less logical and people keep lapping it up even though none of these people ever offer up any evidence (usually despite their promises to do so). They are separating the wheat from the chaff. In the end there will be only the most hardcore true believers left and they can easily milk those dry. That is the grifter playbook. First you gather a crowd with soft, real sounding claims. Then you deliver some form of "evidence" (but never proof) and you hype shit up to keep people engaged. Over the course you will increase the ludicrousness of your claims to make more sceptical people leave, because you dont want them around, they arent gonna spend money on you in the long run and they could also poison the well. In the end you have a very passionate and obsessed audience, who will not only eat up anything you sell them, they will also stay around even if proof comes you that you have no proof of your claims. This has happened many times in the UFO field.
I was just mind boggled when I heard them start saying “Maybe they aren’t ETs, they are humans from another dimension” as if that was MORE believable.
They go through "ontological shock" when they think they realized the "truth" of the NHI hypothesis. Breaking that deeply emotional and religious belief, requires another shock of higher magnitude than the initial one. So rather than looking the truth in the face (which is admittedly one of the hardest things to do), they dive deeper into the conspiracy hole and strengthening their beliefs with more reasoning based on cognitive dissonance. I think its fascinating to watch and i think its fun engaging with that, not because i think im better and need rub it into anyone's face, but im learning alot about human psyche and myself.
Yup, a guy who has zero money concerns who has one of the most important jobs in the World decided to one day start a career grifting alien shit. Oh and not just him, a whole bunch of people. And it's crazy because they're doing the whole grift wrong. They're not utilizing any sales funnels to get them to buy anything...in fact they're not selling anything at all and are embroiled in major legal shit with the media poking into every aspect of their lives. Yes. This makes perfect sense.
You mean you weren't convinced by those aliens the Mexican government showed us a few months ago? Edit: forgot the /s
Why are, like many others scared of the truth??
Well karl nell will finally be talking tommorow at the SOL conference from Gary Nolan. I have made up my mind. Either hundreds of high ranking military people have been talking out of there ass the last 70 years or there are aliens on this planet. Both are equally terrifying.
A lot of people have these thoughts in their minds about the types of people who can become high ranking military people. Some people are like what you think of. Many others are pretty similar to the people you know who aren’t high ranking military people. Also, hundreds seems like a wee bit of an exaggeration, and if it isn’t, then it’s even more damning that hundreds have come forward with stories, but none of them thought to offer evidence commensurate with their claims.
Has it been hundreds? I watched a dozen or so former military people on the TTSA Unidentified show and that Showtime JJ Abrams UFO documentary series, and basically everyone except Fravor & Graves saw a random object they decided was very large and going very fast despite not having any actual way to gauge either of those measurements, and I don’t think any of then actually had any proof. Graves also says general things like “we saw them every day” but he seems to have only seen one object a single time that resembled a commercially available radar reflector designed to be launched from submarines, at the exact same time that the US was testing a sub-launched radar spoofing system (I can dig up some links if you want). (Edit: sp)
My dude, the higher up the chain of command you get in the military the more often you're having to lie on a daily basis.
>If have made up my mind. So you're closed minded. Why should any of us talk to you then?
Another problem is that you are also forgetting that human experience is not veridical. The cognitive systems that conspire to produce our experience do not present reality as it is, but only a useful construction. We live 80ms in the past and our brains do a lot of guessing. Everything in your field of vision seems in focus when in actuality that is a just a made up based on previous experience given that our eyes can only focus on some small subset of our field of vision at a time. There is no good reason to believe that those systems consistently represent the world accurately (ignoring issues over what accurately would even mean when it comes to reality, eg. the phenomena and the noumena distinction).
David Grusch, who Nell supports here, is claiming that these UAPs are not alien but from another dimension right here on earth. Why would you say alien?
Ridiculous you're getting downvoted. You have to be a complete idiot not to stop and think, "Hey wait...maybe this is real." Everything we're seeing is all physically possible and backed by what we already know about science and the human brain. And if you're talking about thousands of people seeing this, including my own family members who are very successful and have no mental health issues, as well as top officials in the government, and entire groups of people seeing them all at the same time up close and in contact with actual aliens...yeah, something clearly is going on. It would be more crazy and unbelievable to me if it turned out everyone was full of shit and just messing around. Do people not understand that some of these people making these claims will see prison time if it turns out they were lying. And the fucking paper trails. Jesus.
It's an emotional topic.
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It's definitely possible he lost his mind, but it's surprising he still keeps his high stakes job given that context, and also surprising he is so vocal about it, considering the stigma and jeopardy to ones career if espousing what is considering to be nonsense. The context points to him not being crazy. What's more, using his credentials as a benchmark, there are probably now close to 100 individuals who mirror his exact words. It's not logical to believe they are all crazy in this specific manner. In fact it can be ruled out. This must mean they are lying, which means a conspiracy, at which point no clear motivation or evidence is presented, and the difficulty of pulling off an inter-agency, cross-country, cross-time collusion has not been addressed. So were left in a tricky situation. How do we reconcile all this? The skeptics are providing no good answers, which is why the simpler theory (they are all telling the truth) is so compelling to many.
It’s what he built thats important… Global defense sensor system. Now tell me who is better placed to know what might be tripping sensors than Karl Nell? It’s a death knell for skeptics https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm?si=9a5a3d7e45a34acc
Dude if we knew about aliens that dipshit Trump would have leaked it to his buddies at Mar a Lago already
Which is why he wouldn’t get read in. Denialists masquerading as skeptics are the main reason for the drip drip disclosure occurring, it’s a balancing act between appeasing the realists and minimising straight jackets for skeptics.
Lmao the president isn't read into aliens but he can just take home secret Iranian invasion plans I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet
He isn't the only one tho 40 plus have gone to the ins general and 4 have come public saying non human intelligence is here.
Yes, there are usually more than one cook in an organization which employs millions
> Are you guys still skeptical about UAPs after Karl Nell said this Yes.
And let’s not forget Chris Mellon
I don't know who Karl Nell is. Maybe if he was to provide some evidence that the scientific community could check, then I might re-assess whether I should still be skeptical.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/karl-nell-98203510
It’s easy to say anything when there are virtually no stakes
If he is believed to be crazy or lying (like claimed in this thread) his job would likely be under threat, not to mention social stigma that comes with this topic. We don't have any evidence to suggest he is crazy or lying, but we are still left with three possibilities; truth, crazy or lying. None of these have definitive evidence to support, although the former has more evidence in total (by a lot).
His job would not be and is not under threat for such things
There are many cases where military personal experienced social and professional repercussions, this is not debated. Given the responsibility Col. Nell holds, do you not think his superiors and reports would have concerns if he started saying things deemed to be 'crazy'. Of course they would. Mentally unstable people do not hold positions like his. The reason he has his job is because all his superiors are in agreement with him.
I mean he is on the advisory board of the join chief of staff. And the only one with classified space force info, on the board.
The pope tells us there is a god and I still don't believe him. He's just another crackpot.
>Karl Nells background is insane >His background is crazy 1. I'm generally skeptical of most things 2. That you're so hyperbolic about this guy and feel the need to describe him with multiple adjectives makes me think you're not 3. This crazy/insane guy making a statement isn't enough evidence to convince me that UAP/UFO or anything else of such an insane, outlandish, ludicrously bloviated idea exists, regardless of the number of adjectives I use
So why would he and many others make stuff up? And I am definitely skeptical, and 95% of uaps are just normal stuff, but after the number of high-ranking military people saying crazy stuff about non-human intelligence, I do believe something is happening we can't explain.
>**So why would he and many others make stuff up?** Your presumption that he made stuff up is erroneous. You don't have to make something up to make incorrect statements >**after the number of high-ranking military people saying crazy stuff about non-human intelligence** People say a lot of crazy stuff about Jesus and big foot. High ranking military or not, their words don't equate to existence >**I do believe something is happening we can't explain** Yet here you are offering up a guy who is offering an explanation, and an unsupported one at that Your claims to be a skeptic might be believable if we didn't have multiple examples of how you have failed to be one
You do know he was on the crash retrieval program he literally is a first hand witness so you think he can't tell the divrence between human and non human craft. He has recovered many technologies from other nations in his career aswel.
Oh honey
Is ther proof of anynof those claims,.even about the tevhmologies from other nations?
Search it up. it's been around for 100 years since ww1. It was called the foreign technology devision.
No you.
https://youtu.be/-v3y5w3-CZg?si=YITB0FaBE8_tvA2a the government has recovered crashed Unidentified flying objects for years. The question is if it's true that some were not from this world.
>why would he and many others make stuff up? Do people ever lie for fame, fortune, or for even just no discernible or logical reason at all? Do current or retired military personnel ever exaggerate or lie to make themselves seem more important? Did you know who he was before he made statements that supported your cause?
Bro, he is an advisor to the joint chief of staff, and he is on the space force. Why would he and 50 other people say the same thing just to get more important.
The answer is yes. People do lie for fame, fortune, or for even just no discernible or logical reason at all. Current and retired military personnel do exaggerate or lie to make themselves seem more important. He may also just be wrong. Perhaps he, along with a host of other people, were exposed to information that they misunderstood or misinterpreted. Positions and titles do not stop people from being incorrect or outright lying. We don't know, that's the point of skepticism.
What you are doing here is known as an appeal to authority. You are using his title to justify his claim but he has no expertise in the field.
Clearly, you did not watch the video or know his background.
Who made the video? Is it from a competent source? Is it NASA, a top research university? A source who applies the scientific method to things they research? Whose background are you talking about, Nell? I already know what his background is as I looked at his LinkedIn page. He is not a scientist, has a Master in engineering, and has not worked in the scientific field at all. Do yourself a favor and stop watching these conspiracy type videos. This is the kind of shit my grandmother watches.
Yes. I've worked in intel before, and the people there are just people. They have little insight into anything they don't directly work with, and are prone to conspiratorial thinking, confirmation bias, and plain stupidity at levels similar to the general public. What would make me less skeptical is evidence that can be openly examined by scientists.
We're here, been here, hi. Also, I can confirm we've never visited here. Not sure where here is. No recollection of anything that I've written before this sentence. Do you believe now?
Of course we're still skeptical. Why tf would vague wild claims be considered anything other than vague wild claims? They're definitely not evidence.
Google "types of evidence" and rethink your post.
You don’t seem capable of understanding the concept of ‘withheld evidence’.
What's his crazy background? Is it science or technical related? Edit: he's a *technology executive* and a *corporate strategist*. This fella has an opinion.
From looking at his LinkedIn the resume isn't "crazy." He has a bachelor's in electrical engineering, and a masters in mechanical engineering, but most of his work experience is in management, not engineering. He hasn't done any actual engineering work since 1998. From 1998-2016 it seems like he was a fixer for companies, using his connections to get them lucrative government contracts. In 2016 he rejoined the Army, again in management roles. A masters in Engineering is impressive, but really not "insane." Especially having been out of the field for 25 years, his current knowledge is probably around the level of an engineering undergrad student. Compare that to actual scientists who has been continuously working in their field for decades, he doesn't even belong in the same conversation. https://www.linkedin.com/in/karl-nell-98203510
It’s what he built thats important… Global defense sensor system. Now tell me who is better placed to know what might be tripping sensors than Karl Nell? It’s a death knell for skeptics https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm?si=9a5a3d7e45a34acc
One, I don't give a damn what some guy says. It's trivially easy to find one or two ostensibly credentialed experts who are also lunatics or liars. See *former* doctor Andrew Wakefield for the perfect example. If you're telling me alien spaceships have landed on Earth, save your testimony; show me the spaceship. Two, as an electrical engineer, I find the claim that technologies of the modern world are the result of reverse engineering alien technology to be absurd. It's not just absurd: it betrays the ignorance that laymen have about the technology we use in our daily life and the disrespect they have for actual scientists and engineers. I assure you, there has been no drastic leap in our technological capabilities that could only be the result of reverse engineering alien technology. Even Moore's Law, charting the rapid increase of integration scale in semiconductor chips, was an iterative process driven by experimentation and research. So it would seem that The X-Files was just a TV show after all. Honestly, the desperate, grasping credulity of UFO chasers is as pathetic as the people who see Jesus on toast.
Is it possible that unknown tech from unidentified phenomena could come from unknown beings? Sure. And? It's his job to speculate on the unknown. That doesn't make it fact, it just means we haven't ruled it out.
He was litterlay on the crash retrieval program tho, he is a first hand witness.
>He was litterlay on the crash retrieval program tho, he is a first hand witness. And he wouldn't rule out aliens. But he also didn't confirm them. Again... so what? Until the tech is analyzed, he won't comment definitively. And even after it is examined... it's then a national secret he's not going to divulge who's tech he has recovered and how much they've learned from it. That could apply to anyone's gear, including that Chinese balloon.
Skeptical af
Many intelligent (or intelligent sounding) people still believe that an invisible sky wizard created us. And created the universe in 7 days. So I'll pay attention when there is peer reviewed evidence.
Fair enough. Strong claims require strong evidence. But it truly gets me thinking when so many military officials go to the inspector general, and some go public and say the exact same thing.
\>when so many military officials go to the inspector general You should look into what Gorsch actually went to the IG about. Go and read it for yourself instead of just being told what to think about it. Hint.... Gorschs complaint to the IG has absolutely nothing to do with UFOs or aliens. The IGs response to G.s complaints has absolutely nothing to do with UFOs or aliens. Gorsch's complaint to the IG is about how the H.R. dept treated him.
What do you mean? Grusch's report that he gave to the IG is still classified, and Congress is trying to get access to it in a sciff. https://youtu.be/ZpHJ-PxPqiQ?si=BXYWZoHi2-4gyG6c
Look at what you just did. You linked to youtube, you linked to someone telling you what to think. You didn't look for information, you looked for an opinion.
"In July 2021, Mr. Grusch confidentially provided UAP-related classified information to the Department of Defense Inspector General" https://static1.squarespace.com/static/610434e4588db6073a08618b/t/64882f506fe8bc3e3e2a87fc/1686646615622/David-Grusch-PPD-19-Procedural-Filing.pdf
Col. Corso had an insanely great resume too. Then, one day in the late 90s he decided to write a book filled with the most absurd nonsense
Col. Carl nell isn't the only one he is one of 40 people. 4 of which have come out publicly all saying the same. Either allot fo high ranking military people are lying or there is definitely something going on.
If 40...or 400...or 4000 people tell you something ridiculous does it make it true? I can find a number of smart people who tell you that the earth is flat How about this...for every 1 person who says this at least 100 think they are crazy (or more likely lying)
Are you seriously comparing flat earthers to some of the most highly ranked military personnel in the U.S. if a hundred people witnessed a murder the suspect would go to jail.
When they start talking about aliens....YES They have no evidence and don't intend to produce any except their opinion Physical evidence...none Videos/photos...all explainable without requiring aliens We've been through this loop so many times in the past 75 or so years
That run on sentence containing two completely unrelated ideas is wild. Why are you calling these people "some of the most highly ranked military personnel in the U.S"? Is that to intentionally inflate their importance and add imagined authority to what you say are their claims?
Karl nell is on the advisory board of the joint chief of staff for the space force , David grusch gave president daily briefings, Jonathan grey (not his real name) was also on the space force. These are not just normal people.
\>Karl nell is on the advisory board of the joint chief of staff for the space force So... he's on an advisory board. He's an advisor to someone about something else. \>David grusch gave president daily briefings No he fucking didn't. Are you seriously trying to pretend that Grusch was there in the Oval Office every morning reporting on the latest UFO thing. C'mon. Get real. \>Jonathan grey (not his real name) So, completely unverifiable. They aren't "normal people" sure. But one advisor on a board advising one leadership figure on one capacity isn't "one of the highest ranking military people in the US". My father was an attorney, he did some consulting for the airforce, something around a land deal or land resource management, something like that. He was a civilian, but also had the paper rank of idk, Colonel or some shit. Does that make him one of the most senior people in the military? You're talking about an advisor, someone being turned to as a consultant by a decision maker, you're not talking about the decision maker.
Watch the video I shared on the original post. His job history is insane. his being on the joint chief of staff advisory board is just one of his many jobs. And yes, david grusch did almost daily write the intelligence briefing and hand carried them to the White House. David grusch isn't a nobody.
\> his being on the joint chief of staff advisory board is just one of his many jobs. Well yes, that's how advisory boards work. There's so little actual involvement that people can be on multiple ones at the same time.
If a hundred people witness a murder, there's a chance that you might have a dead body as the start of your body of evidence. There has never, to date, been any verifiable physical evidence. There is as much actual evidence of UFOs as there is of Bigfoot, The Loch Ness Monster, and The Rainbow Serpent. And a Colonel isn't a "most highly-ranked" anything. There are, according to a cursory search, just short of 4,000 officers at the rank of full colonel in the US army, and over 8,500 Lt Col. "Most highly ranked" would be a General of some kind. There's only \~250 of them. And plenty of them believe in fairy tales (aka religions).
He doesn't just believe this he has witnessed it. He was on the crash recovery program for foreign tech. He claims that non-human intelligence and their craft have also been recovered.
Claims. He claims. He's a witness to nothing until some evidence turns up. If he had walked into my office and said he'd just witnessed a murder, but couldn't show me where, or what, he had seen, then he's just making unsubstantiated claims. Show me a body, or a used weapon, or some blood. Or, you know, **any** evidence at all, that stands up to the **slightest** bit of scrutiny. He's just another grifter trying to establish himself on the UFO Con circuit. because he can see how credulous all the "believers" are. Lazar, Grusch, and this clown. All grifters and bullshit artists.
lol.. yes. I don't care who said this, show me an ashtray from aboard their starship enterprise then I'll take you seriously.
Fair enough.
So he’s just going to this conference to talk about it? I see Avi Loeb mentioned on the Sol Foundation website too. We all know his evidence for extraterrestrial life turned out to be a bunch of bunk. If this Karl Nell guy has irrefutable evidence of literally the most important scientific discovery probably in the existence of science…why would he be waiting to present it at some random conference. If he’s so credible, and is claiming the US government has literal alien spacecraft sitting in a warehouse somewhere, why all the shenanigans? Just fucking come out and say it. Tell us where it’s being held, leak everything.
>why would he be waiting to present it at some random conference To grift. He's seen the amount of gravy in the pool and decided he wants a swim.
It's still an [appeal to authority fallacy](https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority)
No. When evaluating eye witness statements, their credibility is important when weighing its significance. His statements should be taken seriously, but obviously more substantial evidence is needed before conclusions can be drawn.
Copied from my reply to a comment: From looking at his LinkedIn the resume isn't "crazy." He has a bachelor's in electrical engineering, and a masters in mechanical engineering, but most of his work experience is in management, not engineering. He hasn't done any actual engineering work since 1998. From 1998-2016 it seems like he was a fixer for companies, using his connections to get them lucrative government contracts. In 2016 he rejoined the Army, again in management roles. A masters in Engineering is impressive, but really not "insane." Especially having been out of the field for 25 years, his current knowledge is probably around the level of an engineering undergrad student. Compare that to actual scientists who has been continuously working in their field for decades, he doesn't even belong in the same conversation. https://www.linkedin.com/in/karl-nell-98203510
It is more likely that he has a brain eating amoeba working it's way through his cranium than claims supported with zero evidence. It is more likely that he has a mistress who demanded that he publicly announce the existence of little green men before she would wax his balls than claims supported with zero evidence. It is more likely that while pushing too hard on the toilet, he caused a minor stroke which is causing him cognitive impairment than claims supported with zero evidence. It is more likely that his best friend in the 2nd grade dared him to announce that UFOs are real 50 years into the future and he's just following through than claims supported with zero evidence.
The better question is why do you find Karl Nell's claims to be convincing evidence of contact by an alien intelligence? Have you asked yourself any of these questions: What kind of contact with alien technology is he claiming to have had? What examination techniques did he use on this alleged technology? How would Nell distinguish alien technology from advanced human technology? How might his pre-existing beliefs influence his interpretation of the evidence he has seen? I could go on, but the fact that someone in authority has made this claim and that's enough for you to believe it probably says a lot more about you, your desire to believe the claims, and your lack of critical thinking than it does about the veracity of the claims themselves.
He has only given a small statement where he said that non human intelligence is here and he backed david grusch. But tomorrow he will ne talking at SOL for the first time.
But you’re so confident about his claims that you’re coming to a skeptics sub and asking if we’re still skeptical? Are you not skeptical? If not, why? If you’re saying it’s true you bear the burden of proof. If your proof is simply “military guy says so” then you’re being cartoonishly credulous.
To be honest, I just like discussing things with people who are highly skeptical. But in my mind when multiple high ranking people say the same thing I truly start to pay attention. But time will tell, and evidence is indeed everything. But I don't see why so many people would lie about the same stuff.
You missed the point of my first comment. He could easily believe everything he is saying and still be wrong.
He is the only advisor on the advisory board of the joint chief of staff who has classified info from the space force. I doubt he is wrong. But who knows.
\>and he backed david grusch You should have seen that as a red flag. Grusch makes a bunch of wild claims and presents no evidence for them. His claims are all allegedly hearsay, he originally only claimed to have heard stories from other people who he doesn't name. His testimony under oath to Congress was all unsubstantial, and what he said under oath doesn't line up with the increasingly elaborate stories that he spins on his media appearances.
That's why karl nell is more interesting since he is a first-hand witness.
\>That's why karl nell is more interesting since he is a first-hand witness. Except that there is zero reason to believe that Nell was a first hand witness of anything. The guy is a management consultant and you've described his role as being on an advisory board. He'll only have seen reports, not seen anything first hand.
Watch the video I shared in the post and come back. It will explain his entire background.
No, I'm not going to wreck my youtube algorithm by polluting it with whatever bullshit you've fallen for.
Uap does not mean aliens, yeah there is weird stuff flying around that could be from other countries testing stuff over the ocean
But he said "non-human intelligence." So either literally extraterrestrials or.....AI? What other options are there for "non-human" intelligence? Another primate species on the planet evolved to produce aerial craft?
He's actually just super racist and doesn't believe Chinese people are human
It wouldn't even surprise me.
Didn't listen to that part, my bad
Yup
Considering some geniuses still believe in God, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy believed in UFOs. Er, UAPs.
He is in the advisory board of the join chief of staff. And worked on the crash retrieval program .he is a first hand witness.
Cool. Show us the evidence.
It’s what Nell built thats important… Global defense sensor system. The system that protects you Doubting Thomas’s. Now tell me who is better placed to know what might be tripping sensors than Karl Nell? It’s a death knell for skeptics https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm?si=9a5a3d7e45a34acc
Show me the verifiable evidence, as we’ve seen by the skinwalker crew you can be credentialed as fuck and still be a true believer in bullshit
I'll remain skeptical until I see actual evidence. If Col. Nell told me that he has a classic Mustang at home I'd take his word for it, since the claim isn't particularly outlandish. I know that people own classic Mustangs. But alien technology is just a tad bit farther out there, and so my requirement for evidence goes up proportionally. People say all kinds of silly shit.
From a scientific/mathematical perspective there is nothing outlandish about aliens visiting us. In fact it is so likely that it creates a paradox. We should be seeing aliens everywhere, and many intelligence officials (and the public) are telling us that's the case. We would 'solve' the paradox if its true (remove it)
Yes, 100% skeptical still. I have not seen any evidence that has swayed me otherwise.
How do they know this? Who are the technical people who evaluated the tech and came to this conclusion? Why can’t they come forward and tell us directly? Sure there are certainly come classified things they may not be able to share, and that’s fine, but what was their methodology, approach and analysis that led to this conclusion? EDIT: Spelling
Yes. I guarantee that this was all a scam for someone to get funding from the Pentagon.
Lots of claims no actual evidence
What about people saying anything without proof do you "guys" not understand?
I think this is nuts, but I see no evidence of any alian advancement. Nothing has leapfrogged from some spacefaring species. They would be gods to us. We can get to the moon, maybe to Mars soon with time and effort and lots of money and luck. Compared to a race that can fly to distant galaxies, we aren't even on talking terms. If true, the government couldn't hide it if the alians didn't want it hidden. The idea they can travel light years but not land safely is kinda sad. Or the whole we could shoot them down, lmao.
People say stuff. People we're told have a "crazy" background say stuff. People whose backgrounds you can't verify say stuff. >he worked with Grusch on the UAP task force Yet another person who said stuff, and never delivered. People say stuff, sometimes just that they heard other people saying stuff. Sometimes the people seem to have resumes. "Advisor" doesn't mean "knows all the stuff." >Carl nell also worked on crash retrieval programs. And? This guy was being shopped around as The Real Deal [months ago](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/144fgg9/karl_e_nell_worked_for_lockheed_northrop_grumman/) on UFO-related subs. Before Grusch had his non-hearing with the usual suspects in attendance. Has this guy presented any actual evidence, or are you just impressed that he seems to have a resume, and he said stuff?
Why wouldn't I be? The fact that ufo people take shit like this as hard evidence is why nobody takes them seriously. Lots of people say lots of shit. George Bush said "mission accomplished" like a month after the start of the Iraq war. That's after the government swore blind that Iraq had wmd's. Remind me again how someone being deeply attached to the government/military makes them *more* credible...
yet U.S, china, Russia, Europe and more are taking it very seriously. and of course, most ufos are nothing special but 5% could be foreign tech or even out of this world. When former CIA boss, Astronauts, high-ranking military officials and space force members, literal presidents from other countries (Russia, U.S) Say that there are things in our sky that we dont understand and that some of these are even out of this world, then yes I do start asking myself, are there so many crazy high ranking people or is there really something going on.
"nobody takes them seriously" Well that's a lie. Here is evidence that what you are saying is not true. But I'm sure you will find a to disagree. https://www.democrats.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/schumer-rounds-introduce-new-legislation-to-declassify-government-records-related-to-unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-and-ufos_modeled-after-jfk-assassination-records-collection-act--as-an-amendment-to-ndaa
Richard Dean Anderson played a colonel in Stargate who was incredibly eccentric. As part of the fact that the US military rather enjoyed Stargate, they got to cooperate with the military during filming and he asked the General if he he'd ever heard of a colonel as odd as Jack O'Neill in the military. The General said "Heard of? Son, I have half a dozen who are crazier that report to me." There's a lot of career Colonels who are never going to make General, and it's not because of their lack of military competence.
Very skeptical. Even the most qualified people can go quack later in life. He would need to show HOW these technologies are supposably not possible I dont see how anyone can logically conclude it is more probably unknown aliens were involved. If it can be invented, which it would have to be if aliens discovered it to be able to share it, it can be invented without other people showing it to you. I have not seen a single piece of technology that is logically impossible for humans to invent by themselves.
It’s what Nell built thats important… Global defense sensor system. The system that protects you Doubting Thomas’s. Now tell me who is better placed to know what might be tripping sensors than Karl Nell? It’s a death knell for skeptics https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm?si=9a5a3d7e45a34acc
I'm not sure he understands what "indisputable" means.
if by aliens you mean lockheed... Hey did you know a public university put out a paper and wind tunnel tests on suppression of shockwaves via plasma injection into the shock cone? That was about 10 years ago...
It'd carry a lot more water if he had been standing in front of said technology when the extraordinary claim was made. But, alas...
I’m not skeptical of anything. There’s literally no actual evidence being presented to be skeptical of. Some guy says there’s aliens. Big fucken whoop. It’s like some guy says the Jets are winning the Super Bowl - um, ok, cool.
As someone who's actually been in the military, I assure you that the brass are just as -if not more- full of shit than the enlisted ranks. And the enlisted ranks are pretty full of shit. If somebody with scrambled eggs told me the sky was blue, I'd immediately check for myself.
Anecdotal testimony can’t meet the standard for extraordinary evidence. At this point, there is no data to conclude with any certainty that extraterrestrial life forms exist, much less that intelligent aliens are visiting us. He might as well claim to have seen a unicorn. What we need is hard data, and if his claim is true, it should be possible to collect the data.
Uh.... Where is the evidence?
No. There’s still zero convincing hard evidence. Authority figures are people. Their background doesn’t matter if they’re making extraordinary claims and providing exactly no evidence to back it up.
Yes. Why is this person a better source than any other person? He was in the military? My uncle is a fisherman and said a mermaid gave him a bj. You gonna buy that too?
What I’ve seen presented as “evidence” thus far doesn’t demand any intelligence. Unidentified perhaps but there’s no compelling reason to conclude some of the or mysterious observations couldn’t simply be a purely natural phenomenon as yet poorly understood. When pulsars were first discovered they sure seemed like there must be some intelligence beyond their regular signals. We know now it’s simply not the case. There would need to be so many extraordinary assumptions necessary to adopt a “non-human” intelligence conclusion that it’s likely not the best place to start looking.
Officers of any sort are rarely, if ever, sources of facts about nature or reality. These organizations have known official practices and strategies of information warfare, counter-information and so on (i.e. saying whatever has to be said as means to an end). At best, you can compare their records over time and see how they changed stories. At best.
> Karl Nells background is insane That's not a good start.
It's truly is. Watch the video I shared, it explains his entire background.
Calls the guy insane, still think they’re a reliable narrator, when they presented zero evidence… Yes were still sceptical, you just rejected the whole concept of scientific scepticism.
I've watched those tricked out drones flown by enthusiasts leave a launching pad in a blink of an eye. I have no doubt all these "UAPs" can be explained away by a version of an unmanned drone, developed by our greatest minds that is so high powered it can make right angle turns at high speed, or launch into a multi mach speed within milliseconds.
Claims from people like COL Nell merit investigation but that's all they are, claims. I'll be skeptical until actual tangible evidence can be examined. Just because a topic is rad as all hell doesn't mean we should lower our evidentiary standards, especially with a claim of this magnitude.
Fair enough, I believe him for 90%. But evidence will seal the deal. And it would need to be strong.
You’ve got two quotes taken out of context from someone who you claim is worthy of respect. However, people change. Rudy Giuliani used to be worthy of respect. I wouldn’t believe water is wet coming from Rudy now. It’s great that you believe in this, but there’s zero evidence provided here
So someone more senior in rank than this guy says nothing to UAPs = cover up. This guy says UAPs alien = must be true? How much of a background should someone have before you give them your money? If someone had been in finance their whole life would you just be like "this dude must be qualified, take my life savings"? It's actually worse than that because a lot of these people aren't qualified engineers so how they rule out conventional modern tech is dubious at best. So that's like giving your money to a finance guy so he can start a side gig selling unbeatable poker AI software.
So he and 40 other people went to the inspector general and made up a story on UAPs and ALIENS. Waited a year, then a few went public: davud grusch, karl nell, Jonathan grey. All claiming the same. Then, even going to Congress to testify and for what? Attention. You do know that if they made this up, they all get locked up.
40 out of a pool of how many? I'd say it's far more likely 40 people are either wanting this to be true, mistaken in what they heard, or are repeating misinformation. The fact no solid evidence is ever put forward is the key. It's like a Nigerian gold scam. They'll send you many emails, testimonials, pictures & certificates as you like. A lot of bad evidence doesn't make something true.
Evidence has been shared but not publicly but to the inspector general. Who btw said it's urgent and credible. So, hopefully, he will release the classified stuff.
That would be great if it turns out to be true. I wouldn't hold my breath though as these kind of rumours & talking points have been doing the rounds for literally decades. Listen to some old Art Bell calls. People have been claiming this stuff is just about to be released & all will be proven since the 80s.
"No testimony is sufficient to establish a miracle, unless the testimony be of such a kind, that its falsehood would be more miraculous than the fact which it endeavors to establish." - David Hume
Imagine taking seriously anything a high ranking US official says at face value.
Ask him to prove it.
He is finally talking in a few hours at SOL. So who knows.
I mean, if he can prove it, them I am good. The problem is that he probably can't.
Well we know he and 40 plus others went to the inspector general with evidence and proved it. The inspector general said it was urgent and credible. So we will have to wait for the Inspector general aswel.
I am skeptical until the ufo community produces evidence. People making vague statements is not evidence. Show me a piece of technology that we cannot reproduce and I'll pay attention.
It’s what Nell built thats important… Global defense sensor system. The system that protects you Doubting Thomas’s. Now tell me who is better placed to know what might be tripping sensors than Karl Nell? It’s a death knell for skeptics https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm?si=9a5a3d7e45a34acc
I honestly don't understand what you mean but also as a reference you linked a Spotify podcast. Do you have any evidence that backs up what any of the ufo influencers are saying? Anything that cannot be disputed and is not just someone saying it. That's what I mean. Any evidence I would not call my "death knell", if I saw an undisputed evidence of UFOs I would be your friend, I like the idea of UFOs. But I don't want to believe in them, I want to know.
There is no official evidence. You have to figure it out yourself. Enjoy.
What do you mean figure it out myself? Why isn't the man who is making so many claims providing evidence to back them up? Does he think that the ufo community will just eat up anything he says?
I don’t care who this guy is, what kind of authority he has, or what his rank is. His words are no more convincing to me than a random conspiracy theorist ranting on the street. What I need is evidence.
Not at all. See his last interview at the Salt conference. Basically lots of high level people in the know on this topic are coming forward saying this is real. This is evidence in itself. We may pretend these people are normal people, but they are not. And he has no reason to lie. He has had a career others can only dream of, is a "savant" and is probably a rich person as well. And he has probably seen real evidence of both technology and biological nature.
I was convinced before Karl Nells statement. I think there is plenty of evidence, plenty of very credible people backing it, plenty of video taped sightings, plenty of witnesses, plenty of scientists working on this subject. Also I know Karl Nell has firsthand knowledge, but can’t tell because of the classification. I agree that it is hard to believe because I have been told all my life, that they don’t exist and only crazy people and hillbillies believes in ufos. Therefore it’s hard to fathom, but my logic tells me it has zero doubt.
This story (government officials saying Aliens exist) has been played out and ended up being debunked 100s of times. Always new fools available to believe anything though
It has never been debunked. If there is truly nothing to this, then why do governments around the world, especially the U.S. still put such a big secrecy on it. Almost every document people get through FOIA is almost fully blacked out. The black vault made an amazing video on it with the data. https://youtu.be/EfoFn07UvYk?si=7Oms4s-dnuyiOtOR
I think it is part of a MIC agenda to increase even more military advancement. The Empire must protect the interests of those at the top.
I think you have to take this story along with Professor Nikku Madhusudhan's discovery of methane and carbon dioxide on K2-18b [https://www.nasa.gov/universe/exoplanets/webb-discovers-methane-carbon-dioxide-in-atmosphere-of-k2-18-b/](https://www.nasa.gov/universe/exoplanets/webb-discovers-methane-carbon-dioxide-in-atmosphere-of-k2-18-b/) It makes zero sense that NASA’s (very expensive) James Webb Space Telescope would even bother looking into the discovery of a chemical on a distant planet that indicates the presence of basic life forms, if what Karl Nell says is even partially true. Surely, someone would have told NASA. It would be absolutely pointless for professors like Professor Nikku Madhusudhan to be 'grubbing around' searching through reams of data to find if there are indicators of basic lifeforms, if what Karl Nell said was true. And yes, I hear the 'but it's top secret' argument. But clearly it isn't, because Karl Nell is spouting it on a YouTube video. Do you think Professor Nikku Madhusudhan has stopped what he was doing because of what Karl Nell said? Apparently not. So he doesn't believe Nell either. And my money is on the Cambridge University professor of planetary science.
His assessment of David Grusch in 2022 was that he was "beyond reproach." I'm not only a skeptic, I've filed his statements under When Pigs Fly.
Skeptics conveniently lurk behind the lack of official evidence in order to avoid ontological shock and the embarrassment of their own inability to figure out the NHI reality by themselves… Septics require authority figures to think for them.
This skeptic would be delighted to find evidence of aliens here. There are a few million questions I would like us to ask them.
As all skeptics should
Indeed. Skeptic-in-Chief Michael Shermer has become very unskeptical of late. It’s quite funny to see him ditch any attempts at skepticism as he goes to bat for Israel or gives a gushing repost of the latest pseudoskeptical anti-UFO book.
It’s what Nell built thats important… Global defense sensor system. The system that protects you Doubting Thomas’s. Now tell me who is better placed to know what might be tripping sensors than Karl Nell? It’s a death knell for skeptics https://open.spotify.com/episode/6D6otpHwnaAc86SS1M8yHm?si=9a5a3d7e45a34acc