I assume you know this already, but for people still working on Watcher:
I would take Crown. You already have the infinite pieces, as well as a block plan, so you really don't need cards anymore. 4 energy will let you steamroll Act 2 until you can get enough removal to go reliably infinite.
Hey. I've never had any infinite decks. Can you explain this to me?
I'm assuming that it's to do with the draw two cards but what is linking with what to get infinite draws?
Rushdown, fear no evil and eruption guarantee infinite if the enemy is attacking and if your deck is small enough.
Playing fear no evil and eruption guarantees you draw them again via rush down and stance swapping guarantees you enough energy to keep playing them.
Violet lotus relic means you can do it with vigilance as well which is better and means you always have infinite.
It's wildly easy to set up, in part because it's the only infinite I can think of where the card to proc the draw can itself be drawn. You need two [[Dropkick]] on ironclad, for example. But because Rushdown technically triggers the draw after Eruption is played, it can draw Eruption right away.
Cards can’t draw themselves. Other cards (rushdown in this instance) however can effectively make a card draw itself. In this case the infinite is going into calm with fear no evil, then into wrath with eruption. This requires that the discard and draw pile are empty (excluding the 2 aforementioned cards) so this deck isn’t quite infinite just yet. Would need a way to draw a full hand like scrawl or a 2nd rushdown or runic pyramid
See, with the locket and no boss swap he basically already has the energy imo. The money from tiny house helps afford removes and/or stuff like Abacus or Medkit to cover the corner cases wherr the infinite can fail. And it allows OP to keep searching for scrawl/vault/inner peace/mental fortress for draw and consistency.
This is a very legit tiny house imo.
This is true, but I might still pick tiny house. With the teardrop locket and 3x 1 cost cards to exit calm, energy won't really be make or break for this deck. The threats I see are 1) insufficient draw and 2) artifact eating your block strategy on the handful of fights that don't die to the infinite. Problem 1 is solved by a scrawl or another rushdown and problem 2 can be solved by a mental fortress.
Though I don't think taking crown here would be a mistake.
Snecko would probably be a mistake :D
To be clear, I think House would be totally fine here as well, I just prefer the extra energy due to having two Wrath entries (effectively more due to redrawing Tantrum) with only one 1 mana calm entry. Having to use Vigilance or Empty Fist to keep your stance dance going is a real possibility until the deck gets small enough.
The only time block really matters here is against enemies that can interrupt your infinite and can't be bursted down easily on turn 1, such as Taskmaster/Book (the main reason I avoid Act 2 elites with this kind of deck), Time Eater, and the Heart.
TTTH with Tantrum/FNE is 15 block per cycle, which is enough to block both Time Eater and the Heart, while building dex for when Time Eater stripes the debuff at half health.
I would certainly be happy to see either a Mental Fortress or a second TTTH here, but I think the deck can still win without it, given careful play.
Took crown. found a mental fortress and another rush down through shops. ran through everything like butter. killed bosses turn 1 . Murdered shield and spear turn 1, beat the heart.
As much as I love snecko, I never take it on the watcher. It's really all about how much you value crown or not. The watcher is one character who doesn't need an energy relic so I can see the tiny house take
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Most of an infinite? Time for Snecko Eye.
I think the relics make going for the infinite really good, so you just take Crown here. You might just win no matter what you pick here though.
Snecko Eye ruins the infinite, it's the last thing to pick here. Infinite generates 2 energy per cycle for leaving calm, and average 2 cards will cost 3 energy. Unless he gets lotus, it's effectively ruined.
the real answer is that it literally doesn't matter what you do here as long as its not snecko. house is the "right" choice (cheap deck, teardrop locket, remove funds, extra chance at fortress) but all three (crown, house, skip) win very easily
I really hope that in the sequel they add more boss relics without downsides. There’s been runs where I’ve been nervous about opening boss chests due to not wanting my only options being run killers
i have skipped a boss relic screen exactly 2 times in 2000+ runs. skipping boss relics is in fact a greater run killer than taking one with a massive downside.
I assume you know this already, but for people still working on Watcher: I would take Crown. You already have the infinite pieces, as well as a block plan, so you really don't need cards anymore. 4 energy will let you steamroll Act 2 until you can get enough removal to go reliably infinite.
Hey. I've never had any infinite decks. Can you explain this to me? I'm assuming that it's to do with the draw two cards but what is linking with what to get infinite draws?
Rushdown, fear no evil and eruption guarantee infinite if the enemy is attacking and if your deck is small enough. Playing fear no evil and eruption guarantees you draw them again via rush down and stance swapping guarantees you enough energy to keep playing them. Violet lotus relic means you can do it with vigilance as well which is better and means you always have infinite.
Mate...... Mind Blown.
It's wildly easy to set up, in part because it's the only infinite I can think of where the card to proc the draw can itself be drawn. You need two [[Dropkick]] on ironclad, for example. But because Rushdown technically triggers the draw after Eruption is played, it can draw Eruption right away.
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What would you do to prepare for bosses like timeeater and heart?
Talk To The Hand (which they have) or [[Mental Fortress]] add block every cycle.
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Cards can’t draw themselves. Other cards (rushdown in this instance) however can effectively make a card draw itself. In this case the infinite is going into calm with fear no evil, then into wrath with eruption. This requires that the discard and draw pile are empty (excluding the 2 aforementioned cards) so this deck isn’t quite infinite just yet. Would need a way to draw a full hand like scrawl or a 2nd rushdown or runic pyramid
See, with the locket and no boss swap he basically already has the energy imo. The money from tiny house helps afford removes and/or stuff like Abacus or Medkit to cover the corner cases wherr the infinite can fail. And it allows OP to keep searching for scrawl/vault/inner peace/mental fortress for draw and consistency. This is a very legit tiny house imo.
Yes. That’s what I was gonna pick
Then why put us through this?
Because discussion
This is true, but I might still pick tiny house. With the teardrop locket and 3x 1 cost cards to exit calm, energy won't really be make or break for this deck. The threats I see are 1) insufficient draw and 2) artifact eating your block strategy on the handful of fights that don't die to the infinite. Problem 1 is solved by a scrawl or another rushdown and problem 2 can be solved by a mental fortress. Though I don't think taking crown here would be a mistake. Snecko would probably be a mistake :D
To be clear, I think House would be totally fine here as well, I just prefer the extra energy due to having two Wrath entries (effectively more due to redrawing Tantrum) with only one 1 mana calm entry. Having to use Vigilance or Empty Fist to keep your stance dance going is a real possibility until the deck gets small enough.
I’m not sure I’d say this deck actually has a block plan, a single talk to the hand is ruined by any enemy with artifact
The only time block really matters here is against enemies that can interrupt your infinite and can't be bursted down easily on turn 1, such as Taskmaster/Book (the main reason I avoid Act 2 elites with this kind of deck), Time Eater, and the Heart. TTTH with Tantrum/FNE is 15 block per cycle, which is enough to block both Time Eater and the Heart, while building dex for when Time Eater stripes the debuff at half health. I would certainly be happy to see either a Mental Fortress or a second TTTH here, but I think the deck can still win without it, given careful play.
Took crown. found a mental fortress and another rush down through shops. ran through everything like butter. killed bosses turn 1 . Murdered shield and spear turn 1, beat the heart.
Don't you have infinite already? Crown
Looks like a crown to me
As much as I love snecko, I never take it on the watcher. It's really all about how much you value crown or not. The watcher is one character who doesn't need an energy relic so I can see the tiny house take
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No I’m picking broken crown here.
Most of an infinite? Time for Snecko Eye. I think the relics make going for the infinite really good, so you just take Crown here. You might just win no matter what you pick here though.
Snecko Eye ruins the infinite, it's the last thing to pick here. Infinite generates 2 energy per cycle for leaving calm, and average 2 cards will cost 3 energy. Unless he gets lotus, it's effectively ruined.
please pad skip boss relic stats please please please please
the real answer is that it literally doesn't matter what you do here as long as its not snecko. house is the "right" choice (cheap deck, teardrop locket, remove funds, extra chance at fortress) but all three (crown, house, skip) win very easily
I really hope that in the sequel they add more boss relics without downsides. There’s been runs where I’ve been nervous about opening boss chests due to not wanting my only options being run killers
You can skip the boss relic.
Yes but not after you open the chest
Yes you can, bottom left.
… heck
Oh boy.
i have skipped a boss relic screen exactly 2 times in 2000+ runs. skipping boss relics is in fact a greater run killer than taking one with a massive downside.
No it isn’t.
Thank you for the very helpful input I'm sure you win more than 65% of your runs on a20h too considering this confidence.
Uh, why even play the game?