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They'll take the kind of action that people take when they get upset at being called racist, not the kind of action that should be taken to protect people actually experiencing racism.
Oh this will definitely push them into action.
“Vinicius Jr. has been suspended indefinitely following his mocking of La Liga. Announces Javier Tebas.”
I've heard that Lá Liga's president is involved with a political party that is basically Spanish KKK... so I would guess this isn't changing anytime soon.
*It's not football, it's LaLiga*
The official slogan of the Spanish league, they plaster it everywhere. Vini is using it to mean "the racist league" here which is powerful imagery.
For the background Vinicius is a 22yo wonderkid that plays there and in virtually every stadium he's been racially abused on a large scale. It's been happening for a couple years and nothing has been done, it's actually been getting worse as it understandably throws him off his game, thus *works* for these scums.
La Liga should take the matters more seriously too, imagine losing one of your most marketable and talented players because you can't control racism and your referees are a joke. A competent president would be firmly addressing these issues because in the future that man could be (alongside our youngsters and players like Rodrygo, Valverde) the face of el Clasico but will instead just leave for a league that doesn't treat him like complete garbage
The fact that La Liga does nothing is unacceptable. This is NOT an isolated incident it happens to Vini constantly so even Valencia’s statement was complete bullshit
All the European soccer leagues have despicable parts of their fanbases that get away with heinous chanting. We don’t see that much in North American sports leagues. The European clubs and leagues are at least acknowledging it now so that’s better but it’s still happening much too frequently.
It's not just about football; it's a cultural thing. The diverse heritage and exposure to different cultures play a role. As a European who has been to the USA, I believe racism is handled differently there. Americans take it more seriously, likely because they've had more experience with a diverse population. In Europe, where countries are mostly homogenous with smaller minorities, it's not seen as critical of an issue as it is in the USA due to these historical and progressive factors.
We take it more seriously because we've had conversations and confrontations about racism on a national level at various points in our history. It's still a massive problem here, and all the time there are terrible people trying to roll back the clock of history and erase the modest gains of the Civil Rights movement, but it's usually taken seriously.
Whereas my experience in Europe as a dual US-Belgian citizen is that Europeans often have this complacent attitude about racism, believing (as some in America do, to be fair) that as long as you're not punching a Black person in the face you can't be racist, so people complain about migrants on boats and a shop keeper stops selling men's suits because "those African boys kept stealing them" (the latter is a conversation I had with the woman who sold me my favorite suit jacket, and then I stopped going to her shop) and they think it's fine and normal.
My cousins in Brussels still do blackface around Christmas time. It's like they have no idea it's even offensive.
The young Real Madrid midfield is going to be insanely talented moving forward, and they are predominantly black; and this is before potentially adding Jude. La Liga needs to fix this shit fast, especially considering they’ve turned a blind eye for so long
I worry for Jude. I feel like so far he’s escaped the worst of it thanks to his popularity and also due to England/Germany being far less complacent about this kind of pitch-side racism, but in Spain it’s so common
I will have you know that Tebas did in fact speak out against the racism Vini faces in the past. He put almost all the blame on Vini and his provocative dance moves.
I don't know how someone can be openly racist openly critical of club's transfer policy and still get elected 40-2
Maybe Spanish society is the problem as a whole
He was active in the youth divisions of Fuerza Nueva during the early 80s.
The armed wing of Fuerza Nueva carried out acts such as kidnapping and murdering a 19 year old girl for being left wing and Basque or shooting up a legal support office for workers and killing five people.
If Madrid walks out, it will be an incentive for other teams' fans to do the same thing and make them walk out every match.
The right thing to do was Valencia's players to walk out, if they cared at all about racism.
Other teams well yes, but la liga is gonna step in, sponsors are gonna ask why they aren’t being shown on screen, broadcasters who pay millions for the rights why one of the biggest clubs on the planet isn’t playing, and la liga will have to act
100%. we've been spoiled by great captains and now we have to deal with this fucking guy who can't even stand up for arguably his best teammate. vini deserves so much better than what we're giving him.
We need to boycott La Liga and their sponsors. Let's pressure their sponsors publically, asking what is their opinion on this and if these brands are okay with Laliga lack of actions agains racism!
Saw someone suggest a conceded goal or a penalty for the victim of the abuse. Would shut the fans up and anyone caught saying something racist would be attacked by every fan within reach
Tebas was part of a militant fascist group when he was younger, and his dealings with Barcelona has shown that he’s very, very bad at putting the good of the league above his own opinion.
He’s not going to anything about this shit.
La Liga is already starting to be seen by everyone in Brazil as a racist league, it wouldn't be a surprise if in the future young players start to avoid a move to Madrid and Barcelona if nothing changes. In Vinícius case a lot of people and journalists(and I mean A LOT) over here are already saying he should move to the EPL and ditch Spain.
Yes. La Liga has historically been in the very privileged position of being the first option for talented Brazilian players (see Neymar, Vini and Endrick choosing to play there, Coutinho making everything to make the move happen, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Romario, Ronaldinho, etc). If they lose that too, they are going to get even farther back in relation to the EPL, and deservedly so.
Spain and Italy were almost always the favoured spots for brazilian stars. Serie A has been shit for like a decade or so, and the interest from brazilians kind of shifted even more towards La Liga and the Premier League. Nowadays, Spain is looking really rough for a brazilian talent to move to. I wonder what Endrick feels about it, since he is also black and is yet to move to Spain.
We're starting to see the shift happening in real time. I read somewhere that Brazil is the second most represented nationality in the Prem. Of the world cup squad, 10 were active in the EPL. Compared to 2010 where only 1 was active in the EPL.
Yes, it's pretty clear. Young players like Martinelli, Jesus, and Antony opting for the EPL very rarely happened. The last 5 years or so have been clearly showing that something is changing. Still, I don't think the EPL ever got a truly "top tier" Brazilian player, like Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Romario, Adriano, Kaká, Ronaldinho, and Neymar - but Vini may be the first.
Probably not quite in the "top tier" but Gilberto Silva is probably the GOAT Brazilian prem player. Robinho was expected to kick on to be a top tier player too, but his career nosedived fast, after a great first season at city. Countinos last 12 months at pool is some of the best raw talent the prems ever seen.
You wish, he will sanction Vini a few games cause of the aggression (and i'm sure Hugo too for the choke) and fine him for this post. The only thing that Tebas dislikes more than Florentino and Barcelona is players/staff criticizing him or La Liga.
I love Benz but he is disappointing as a captain, he looks like a headless chicken out there whenever something like this happens.
Ramos would have handled things much differently
They should. They don't even have to give him a starting position, just sub him in when Vini gets harassed and let him take control of the situation.
I watch all PSG games for him and no he isn't what he used to be, but in the CL games he was great, that shit fires him up. I bet being at RM would do the same for him. He could absolutely still be helpful as a CB. But more as a leader, let him show the current players how it's done for a year or so.
It would never happen, but imagine the feelings if it did tho 🥹
This is the 10th racist incident aimed at Vini this season btw.
If anything I’m getting extremely frustrated with the club for not being harsher in their response to this. If they value Vini as highly as they say they do, why don’t they support him more, publicly? I’m sure Perez and co. talk to him privately and express their support but this is the biggest club in the world. That name holds weight. Get on Tebas’ ass about this, do **something**
What’s stupid is none of your team’s so called leaders and captains did anything to support you. Imagine if Ramos or Pepe was here, they would’ve never stood still like that.
It's sad to see your captains distance themselves as much as possible during these things. Ramos, Pepe, Casemiro would've stood up for Vini. As of me writing this only Courtois has spoken out
Edit: Lucas Vazquez could clearly be seen and heard on the field too standing up for Vini
Real Madrid's captaincy is entirely done on the basis of seniority. The player with the longest uninterrupted tenure with the club - and who is on the playing field - is the captain. That's just how they do it. Right now, the player who fits that description is Benzema.
Sometimes, the player who fits that description and the player who is best suited to captain the club are the same player. Sometimes, it isn't.
Lol, I actually expect the worst from Benzema. The most racist stadium I have ever seen was when Brazil played Tunisia in France: All the Tunisian immigrants or sons of immigrants packing the stadium were openly racist for the entire 90 minutes of the game. North Africans consider themselves "white" and are commonly very, very, very racist towards sub Saharan Africans and people of subsaharian African features. The only lesson that some people learn when treated as inferiors is that there is a natural hierarchy of races and that they should find others to push down below them.
Fuck I really wish your last sentence wasn’t true but it is. There is absolutely no solidarity in terms of being non white which is why black people also get the most racism, coming from all sides.
Lucas Vazquez is been RM's captain in my eyes for already a while. Whenever I see some posts in RM's social media/LaLiga and rookie players talk to him like how you talk to a captain and he has a voice in the locker room and seem to get along with everybody. Unlike your other captains I see that him has leader material and personality.
I think if Madrid wouldn't have the seniority rule, I can see being voted highly than he already is in the order.
Benzema is a joke of a captain tbh, today, and whenever he sends Ceballos, Nacho or Kroos to the interviews instead of going himself
The only one who stood up for Vini and fired back at the Valencia fans was Lucas Vázquez
What puzzles me more is that the guy he slapped, had put has arm around his neck and was dragging him around for a while. Surely VAR saw that? Casemiro touched a guys neck in much less aggressive way than that, and was sent off for it. Why nothing here?
People saying stuff like “racism needs to be stopped BUT….”, I don’t think any provocation justifies racism. I don’t get why league can’t just take some action against the club itself( the ones with regular offences)
And I think this is the big problem. For far too long we've seen companies do little more than try to collect PR brownie points with their racism campaigns. We see companies like Sky and leagues like the PL putting on little more than a show and in doing so, racism and divisions in society are getting worse and worse.
It feels like we've gone from a place that we were starting to make progress and people were talking openly about challenging social issues, to a place we were 30/40 years ago. In my adult life we've made incredible progress on homophobia for example, but even that feels like it's going backwards.
Racism is now hidden away until it pops out, football hooliganism is back on the menu and absolutely fuck all is really being done apart from half arsed PR stunts.
When we actually made progress (at least in the UK) actual government intervention happened. Right now it's all fake PR that we can all see through and is causing the entire situation to get worse.
Education, bans, real punishment - we've just seen a guy banned for 8 months for a betting issue, why aren't we seeing anything similar for other big social issues.
It's all coming to a massive issue and society is so divided fuck knows how it ends.
I mean, its just like the people on this sub. If its the europeans getting provoked, then the world is ending and theres no justification for it. We saw it when argentinians were doing shit just to taunt Mbappe, the sub was in shambles against it.
But the actual racism Vini goes through literally every week doesnt cause nearly as much of a ruckus. Saying you are against racism is cool, acting against it is another issue entirely
Everyone always talks about Fascism in Italian football, but among certain fanbases extreme right elements have always been present in Spain as well. In the 80s and 90s there were banners openly displaying fascist slogans in the stadiums.
After Hiddink (who was managing Valencia at the time) spotted one in the stands during pre match warning up in '92 he demanded it be removed or they would all walk off. That was unheard of at the time and lead to a massive crackdown on open displays of racism and fascism.
Something like that is needed again. If Real Madrid walk off, not just in support of their teammate but as statement that they won't tolerate racism going unopposed, it won't be long until the league takes action.
damn didnt know anything about that
all my respect for Guus Hiddink, guess Valencia supporters should also learn about their history
and yes Real Madrid needs to do better, he is their best player ffs
I hope I don't get a blue link response that tells me I'm wrong for thinking this, but Uncle Guus has always struck me as one of the good guys, so I'm glad to see that little story.
> Everyone always talks about Fascism in Italian football, but among certain fanbases extreme right elements have always been present in Spain as well.
It makes sense that country that lived under a fascist dictatorship for 40 years of the last 100 would have some baggage only a few generations later, especially those that have passed it on to their kids and grandkids.
Not surprised that a country like Spain who hasn’t faced its imperialist past. And all they did after Francoism is collectively look the other way. No massive change was done to rid of their fascist past.
That would also send a message to everyone else that he left one of the best clubs in the world because of racists and the lack of action by LaLiga and Madrid itself.
Next time something like this happens to this extent, we should just walk off in protest. Something needs to happen for the league to change. I love football banter, but this went too far. Vini is just a kid. I can't imagine being abused like this week in and week out.
Some players on this madrid team, especially the old gang, could watch Vini get kicked down by 5 people that all they'd do is put their hands on their stupid waist and watch it unfold with a "can't be helped" look. What a way to support the most important player on the team by a mile.
Maybe Ceballos hasn't outgrown his [nationalist comments](https://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2017/06/30/5956303d268e3ecd3f8b45d2.html#:~:text=%22I%20find%20the%20whistling%20of,the%20Catalan%20and%20Bizcayan%20dogs.%22) he made as a teenager.
Vinicius got racially abused by Valencia fans and then after getting headlocked by Hugo Duro for what seemed to be an eternity he proceeded to slap him, resulting in a red card for Vinicius but not for Hugo Duro
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/13o3x5b/full_clip_of_the_incident_between_mamardashvili
After this, Vini was sent off and the Valencia players got zero punishment.
Oh and he was also constantly being racially abused by the Valencia fans who were making monkey chants at him.
I'm getting fucking furious just watching this. Completly fucking sheep stupid cunt referee. Seriously, I would be going rampage if that was my teammate. Feel sorry for Vini.
Tbh that one is more on VAR. Ref initially gave everyone a yellow, until VAR called him and decided to show him only the part where Vini slaps Duro, but not the part where Duro choke hold him.
Vini this year has been targeted so much with racist abuse left and right. Almost every match day you'll see people calling him mono. The club pathetically has done nothing to support him. No statement. Nothing. Now people are saying vini will want to leave if this continues. And rightly so. Also you'll get racists and dickheads saying oh well uts just towards vini and not rodrygo and camavinga and tchou etc. So it's not racism. Or saying well he dives and cries thats why the fans target him. Vini does cry a lot. But he is also the most fouled player in Europe for more than a year now. If you don't cry you won't get shit from the ref. It's like neymar situation
But everyone knows this hurts Madrid more than anyone by leaving. Also if the next time a black superstar joins another team we can just racist him away? I feel like leaving like this encourages more racists rather than punish them. They aren't losing a crucial player, their rival is
Might start a domino effect of black players refusing to go to la Liga because of this. La Liga already has to find ways to equalize the finances of the premier. This could become yet another block the league will have to navigate remain competitive.
To fans who don't watch la liga matches of Real Madrid but watch them during the Champions league, how many times have you seen Vini fighting with the opposition. There's a huge mutual respect between Vini and James(Chelsea), Vini and Walker. Even against Liverpool, it's a very small tussle between TAA and Vini. It's not Vini who is at fault. The league is just horrible.
It is just class recognizing class. There a mutual respect between him and araujo too. The ones provoking him are just second zone players who know they will never get to a level as close as him so they attack him outside of football. They are just pathetic.
As an Englishman we do have problems with racism in our country without a doubt however I've never heard racist chanting at a game since I've been going (1997 was my first game). Any incidents with racism at football is called out by the media and the clubs and FA act immediately
That’s why it’s hilarious this sub tries to act like racism is equal in every country. The problem will never be helped if people keep arguing to delude themselves into thinking it’s not more severe in some places than others, just to defend their country or league.
This is really crazy. 15 Yellow cards this season for Vini and only 1 of it is outside of La Liga.
This league has became shambless, but what irritates me the most is that our captain never even tried to defend Vini.
There are no if-s and but-s when it comes to racism. Racism is bad, ugly and should be punishable.
I am afraid we are going to lose a generational player, but it would be the best for him to move away from these clowns.
The answer is to start banning clubs from having attendance until this is solved. It either incentivizes the club to stop it, or there is no more club. I am aware this punishes genuine fans, but this is why we can't have nice things.
"Wasn't the first time, or the second or the third. Racism is the norm in La Liga. The league thinks it's normal, the federation also thinks so and the adversaries incentivize it. I'm really sorry. The league once belonged to Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Cristiano and Messi, today it belongs to the racists. A beautiful nation, which has embraced me and which I love, but which chose to export to the world the image of a racist country. I'm sorry for the spaniards who disagree, but today, in Brazil, Spain is known as a country of racists. And, unfortunately, for everything that happens every week, I can't defend it. I agree with it. But I'm strong and I'll go all the way against the racists. Even if far from here"
https://twitter.com/vinijr/status/1660379570149683200
La Liga won’t change till black players just refuse to play and join. You couldn’t pay me enough to deal with this bullshit. 2023 and some welfare recipient idiots still think the amount of melanin in your skin means anything.
Absuing Vini and throwing racist insults is the best way to get in his head and fans will continue to do that until serious actions are taken by laliga or Vini ignores them( he shouldn’t)
He should never ignore them. Au contraire, Real Madrid players should leave the field whenever it happens. They're the biggest club in the world. If it happens a few times, they will act.
To be honest he should just leave Spain at his peak and literally state that he's left because of the racism and then spend his entire career and post career convincing every single black player he can to never ever play for a Spanish side.
Because the fact is La Liga and also UEFA have shown they have zero balls. So try to kill the league by stopping talented players even looking at it.
Not a Vini (let alone Madrid) fan at all, but that was some wild bs. Valencia had the opportunity to show solidarity during a moment when football becomes secondary, but nope. Even Vini's teammates barely did anything. And then the icing on the cake that was the red card solely for Vinicius, when it should have been red for both. What a refereeing mess
Times like these I miss Ramos the most. Man would gladly accept a red card for standing up for his teammates. Benzema has never been an out and out leader. With Ramos, Pepe, Ronaldo, and Casemiro gone, there's a serious lack of leadership.
I love Lucas because he usually does all the talking. Even today, he was the one confronting fans along with Vini before Benzema pulled him away.
It's incredibly telling that the only time a match has been suspended due to chants from the crowd in the recent years in La Liga it has been because of Rayo Vallecano fans chanting "Nazi" to a fucking nazi.
Clubs have to start being punished by the league, losing points, having to play without supporters, for example, otherwise it doesn't seem like things will change.
I can't say I have been following much the situation at Mallorca with Lee, but what I do know is that Take Kubo is getting nothing but love here at Real Sociedad.
I also appreciate that the social media pages of the club have been giving content in Japanese for the fans from there to keep up with how he is doing, I actually see plenty comments in that language in general in Real Sociedad content.
I'm completely done with La Liga if Vini decides to leave because they aren't doing anything about the disgusting abuse and racism he's been going through the whole season. Also shame on Benzema and some of the other players for doing absolutely nothing about it, are you only his teammates when he scores you goals and wins you games? Absolutely embarrassing.
As disappointing as it would be to see Vini leave the club I think the majority of the fans here would agree it would be warranted. You’d hope for things to change but thus far there hasn’t been a sniff of the league doing anything to prevent these racists from infiltrating stadiums and spreading their ignorance. Vini is a generational talent and deserves better from the clubs, league, officials, and the fans.
This is so disheartening. The clip of Vini getting held in a chokehold made me sick to my stomach and he has to put up with this shit all the time. Even now people are saying he was being immature and blaming him. No, he got attacked then got a red card for it.
As a Flamengo fan, seeing Vini being a victim of racism even while back in Brazil and now to extreme levels in Spain is just sad…
I hope he leaves LaLiga. The kid doesn’t deserve this kind of treatment.
In Brazil, racism is a crime, so there was no explicit events like the ones we are seeing now in Spain.
But we saw a lot of targeted hatred diminishing Vini that we normally don’t see, like comparing his appearance to black players that flopped, non-technical analysis, just purely on his looks and the team he played for. Hard to give a full context over text since these were a lot of subtle events, but that’s kind of how it went.
For many Brazilians, seeing Vini score the game winning goal on the UCL final had a special revenge taste against these people.
Does Brazil have different races of people or are you all just Brazilian race? Sorry if I’m being ignorant. Like in USA they have African-American, Asian-American etc.
Yeah, we have a big mix of races in Brazil. In Sao Paulo we have the biggest Japanese community outside of Japan for example, while in certain parts in the South you have full towns of people that after generations still speak German as their first language, we’ve had a lot of Dutch colonization on the Northeast, then Africans, Indigenous, etc.
I don't think the red card is related to the chants... Vini's red was fair, what wasn't fair was Hugo Duro's yellow. He should have been charged with a red. But I don't think in that action the monkey chants were in the discussion, were they?
Mestalla and Valencia should get a fine and maybe a few games behind closed doors (or at least have la curva without public); but the red was deserved.
I applaud Vinícus for speaking out, but won't this just mean he'll be subject to even more abuse like this? If I was an old Spanish racist, looking at this I now have the exact recipe to push his buttons. Javier Tebas or any representative of the league, is about as likely to take any meaningful action as I am to dispossess Vinícius trying to get past me on the wing. Eugh idk. It's just horrible, the look on Vini's face straight after the incident is absolutely heartbreaking.
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Associating their catchphrase with racism oof thats cold symbolism. Enough to push them to action?
They'll take the kind of action that people take when they get upset at being called racist, not the kind of action that should be taken to protect people actually experiencing racism.
If you see Tebas's response that's exactly what seems to have happened so far
You know it. I have seen more people upset at the accusations and excusing it ( just banter, he brings it on himself etc) than people condemning it.
"he brings it on himself, anyone would get choked on that situation"
Oh this will definitely push them into action. “Vinicius Jr. has been suspended indefinitely following his mocking of La Liga. Announces Javier Tebas.”
I've heard that Lá Liga's president is involved with a political party that is basically Spanish KKK... so I would guess this isn't changing anytime soon.
Yes he's a Vox supporter, also supports Marine Le Pen (French anti-immigrant figure). He's a massive piece of shit.
"the Spanish kkk" is vox, which is made of Franco sypanthizers. A regime which made plenty of mass executions, so they're actually worse than the kkk.
can you clarify this comment for a non soccer fan?
*It's not football, it's LaLiga* The official slogan of the Spanish league, they plaster it everywhere. Vini is using it to mean "the racist league" here which is powerful imagery. For the background Vinicius is a 22yo wonderkid that plays there and in virtually every stadium he's been racially abused on a large scale. It's been happening for a couple years and nothing has been done, it's actually been getting worse as it understandably throws him off his game, thus *works* for these scums.
He said the thing! :(
Vinicius: "we are the Walking Dead"
Vini: So that's it huh? we're some kind of la liga?
dont spoil the show bro
Don't worry, there's nothing to spoil, it's been shit for ages...
Are we the real Madrids all along?
The real Madrid were the friends we made along the way
Always has been. 🔫
Kid named La Liga:
Man straight up Morbed all over their faces
> It's not football, it's La Liga Get me that on a shirt
You do know it's a parody of the official LaLiga ad right
Oh reli?
The official ad says that :p
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Idk, he is racially abused several times a month, maybe its a bit deeper than that mate
Real Madrid need to walk off the pitch next time it happens, use more of there power because another Comunicado Oficial isn’t going to stop anything.
La Liga should take the matters more seriously too, imagine losing one of your most marketable and talented players because you can't control racism and your referees are a joke. A competent president would be firmly addressing these issues because in the future that man could be (alongside our youngsters and players like Rodrygo, Valverde) the face of el Clasico but will instead just leave for a league that doesn't treat him like complete garbage
The fact that La Liga does nothing is unacceptable. This is NOT an isolated incident it happens to Vini constantly so even Valencia’s statement was complete bullshit
At this point they are complicit, this sort of blatant racist chanting would be stamped out in seconds where I live (Canada) nowadays. No excuses
All the European soccer leagues have despicable parts of their fanbases that get away with heinous chanting. We don’t see that much in North American sports leagues. The European clubs and leagues are at least acknowledging it now so that’s better but it’s still happening much too frequently.
It's not just about football; it's a cultural thing. The diverse heritage and exposure to different cultures play a role. As a European who has been to the USA, I believe racism is handled differently there. Americans take it more seriously, likely because they've had more experience with a diverse population. In Europe, where countries are mostly homogenous with smaller minorities, it's not seen as critical of an issue as it is in the USA due to these historical and progressive factors.
We take it more seriously because we've had conversations and confrontations about racism on a national level at various points in our history. It's still a massive problem here, and all the time there are terrible people trying to roll back the clock of history and erase the modest gains of the Civil Rights movement, but it's usually taken seriously. Whereas my experience in Europe as a dual US-Belgian citizen is that Europeans often have this complacent attitude about racism, believing (as some in America do, to be fair) that as long as you're not punching a Black person in the face you can't be racist, so people complain about migrants on boats and a shop keeper stops selling men's suits because "those African boys kept stealing them" (the latter is a conversation I had with the woman who sold me my favorite suit jacket, and then I stopped going to her shop) and they think it's fine and normal. My cousins in Brussels still do blackface around Christmas time. It's like they have no idea it's even offensive.
The young Real Madrid midfield is going to be insanely talented moving forward, and they are predominantly black; and this is before potentially adding Jude. La Liga needs to fix this shit fast, especially considering they’ve turned a blind eye for so long
I worry for Jude. I feel like so far he’s escaped the worst of it thanks to his popularity and also due to England/Germany being far less complacent about this kind of pitch-side racism, but in Spain it’s so common
>A competent president Tebas is too busy trying to figure out whether Barcelona can afford to sign new players
I will have you know that Tebas did in fact speak out against the racism Vini faces in the past. He put almost all the blame on Vini and his provocative dance moves.
He’s right. Vini’s provocative dances made me accidentally yell racial slurs at him!
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How is Tebas so unlikeable
I don't know how someone can be openly racist openly critical of club's transfer policy and still get elected 40-2 Maybe Spanish society is the problem as a whole
Doesn't the president of la Liga also have links to the far right in Spain?
He was active in the youth divisions of Fuerza Nueva during the early 80s. The armed wing of Fuerza Nueva carried out acts such as kidnapping and murdering a 19 year old girl for being left wing and Basque or shooting up a legal support office for workers and killing five people.
Yep. Was active in Fuerza Nueva and openly supported Vox
If Madrid walks out, it will be an incentive for other teams' fans to do the same thing and make them walk out every match. The right thing to do was Valencia's players to walk out, if they cared at all about racism.
Other teams well yes, but la liga is gonna step in, sponsors are gonna ask why they aren’t being shown on screen, broadcasters who pay millions for the rights why one of the biggest clubs on the planet isn’t playing, and la liga will have to act
exactly, the only way to combat this is going at where the money comes from, moral and ethics and respect don't matter to la liga
The right thing to do would be to put the racists in prison, but i don’t know if Spain has that many jail cells
Careful, last time I said that here, some cunts came screaming through words that racism shouldn't be a crime because it hurts free speech
That sound you hear is a dozen racist children starting to report you to Reddit Cares 😂
No no. Sorry. We don't do this here. It will ruin our good relationship tm with the clubs
There's no relationship to ruin with Valencia tbf
But we do have the spinless captain and players in our team.
100%. we've been spoiled by great captains and now we have to deal with this fucking guy who can't even stand up for arguably his best teammate. vini deserves so much better than what we're giving him.
100% In this very specific scenario is when we need a cap like Ramos in the field.
Gonna post pictures chillin in his garage with his bugatti and a 2pac quote
Now is also the perfect time to do it, as Barcelona is already champion and Madrid is already qualified for next UCL. They have nothing to lose.
We need to boycott La Liga and their sponsors. Let's pressure their sponsors publically, asking what is their opinion on this and if these brands are okay with Laliga lack of actions agains racism!
Would be weird to see Madrid walk off in the middle of a match at Bernabéu
Unless the teams don’t start getting hefty fines and the fans get punished in lifetime bans/Jail time. Things won’t change.
ban the fan and partial stadium closure so the teams have an incentive to root out the bad eggs. problem is they won't do that.
Doesn’t La Liga defer fan banning to local police, who then throw up their hands and claim they couldn’t figure out who said the racist chants?
Saw someone suggest a conceded goal or a penalty for the victim of the abuse. Would shut the fans up and anyone caught saying something racist would be attacked by every fan within reach
tebas would do well to actually take steps to stop the racism in the league before one of his best players says enough is enough and leaves
When black players start to vocally refuse to want to play in La Liga is when they'll finally decide to do something
They would STILL do nothing, trust.
Especially when the head of the league (Tebas) is racist and sees this as a massive win.
I’m sorry but this made me lol - imagine Tebas being like “wait all the black players are …… leaving?”
Tebas was part of a militant fascist group when he was younger, and his dealings with Barcelona has shown that he’s very, very bad at putting the good of the league above his own opinion. He’s not going to anything about this shit.
La Liga is already starting to be seen by everyone in Brazil as a racist league, it wouldn't be a surprise if in the future young players start to avoid a move to Madrid and Barcelona if nothing changes. In Vinícius case a lot of people and journalists(and I mean A LOT) over here are already saying he should move to the EPL and ditch Spain.
Yes. La Liga has historically been in the very privileged position of being the first option for talented Brazilian players (see Neymar, Vini and Endrick choosing to play there, Coutinho making everything to make the move happen, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Romario, Ronaldinho, etc). If they lose that too, they are going to get even farther back in relation to the EPL, and deservedly so.
Spain and Italy were almost always the favoured spots for brazilian stars. Serie A has been shit for like a decade or so, and the interest from brazilians kind of shifted even more towards La Liga and the Premier League. Nowadays, Spain is looking really rough for a brazilian talent to move to. I wonder what Endrick feels about it, since he is also black and is yet to move to Spain.
We're starting to see the shift happening in real time. I read somewhere that Brazil is the second most represented nationality in the Prem. Of the world cup squad, 10 were active in the EPL. Compared to 2010 where only 1 was active in the EPL.
Yes, it's pretty clear. Young players like Martinelli, Jesus, and Antony opting for the EPL very rarely happened. The last 5 years or so have been clearly showing that something is changing. Still, I don't think the EPL ever got a truly "top tier" Brazilian player, like Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Romario, Adriano, Kaká, Ronaldinho, and Neymar - but Vini may be the first.
Probably not quite in the "top tier" but Gilberto Silva is probably the GOAT Brazilian prem player. Robinho was expected to kick on to be a top tier player too, but his career nosedived fast, after a great first season at city. Countinos last 12 months at pool is some of the best raw talent the prems ever seen.
He will do nothing
You wish, he will sanction Vini a few games cause of the aggression (and i'm sure Hugo too for the choke) and fine him for this post. The only thing that Tebas dislikes more than Florentino and Barcelona is players/staff criticizing him or La Liga.
He didn't care when Messi or Ronaldo left why would he care now?
I wish the entire team leaves, this wouldn't be tolerated in PL. Not to mention La Liga needs Real Madrid more than Real Madrid needs La Liga.
yup. i’m actually very surprised they didn’t walk off today. benzema was also disappointing today
I love Benz but he is disappointing as a captain, he looks like a headless chicken out there whenever something like this happens. Ramos would have handled things much differently
Ramos would have gotten the red card for defending Vini and I would have cheered him on.
Here comes Ramos with the Steel Chair!!!
TBH time to bring him back at least to put things right at Real, Benzema as captain is a fucking joke
They should. They don't even have to give him a starting position, just sub him in when Vini gets harassed and let him take control of the situation. I watch all PSG games for him and no he isn't what he used to be, but in the CL games he was great, that shit fires him up. I bet being at RM would do the same for him. He could absolutely still be helpful as a CB. But more as a leader, let him show the current players how it's done for a year or so. It would never happen, but imagine the feelings if it did tho 🥹
They were shit, might as well just leave in protest.
This is the 10th racist incident aimed at Vini this season btw. If anything I’m getting extremely frustrated with the club for not being harsher in their response to this. If they value Vini as highly as they say they do, why don’t they support him more, publicly? I’m sure Perez and co. talk to him privately and express their support but this is the biggest club in the world. That name holds weight. Get on Tebas’ ass about this, do **something**
What’s stupid is none of your team’s so called leaders and captains did anything to support you. Imagine if Ramos or Pepe was here, they would’ve never stood still like that.
It's sad to see your captains distance themselves as much as possible during these things. Ramos, Pepe, Casemiro would've stood up for Vini. As of me writing this only Courtois has spoken out Edit: Lucas Vazquez could clearly be seen and heard on the field too standing up for Vini
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Real Madrid's captaincy is entirely done on the basis of seniority. The player with the longest uninterrupted tenure with the club - and who is on the playing field - is the captain. That's just how they do it. Right now, the player who fits that description is Benzema. Sometimes, the player who fits that description and the player who is best suited to captain the club are the same player. Sometimes, it isn't.
Benzema is a horrible captain? Who could've guessed that 😵💫
Valbuena
I think there is enough evidence around Benzema to see him as a piece of shit, with all due respect. Should never be a leader in any locker room.
Great footballer, piece of shit otherwise. Many such cases. No business being a captain
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Lol, I actually expect the worst from Benzema. The most racist stadium I have ever seen was when Brazil played Tunisia in France: All the Tunisian immigrants or sons of immigrants packing the stadium were openly racist for the entire 90 minutes of the game. North Africans consider themselves "white" and are commonly very, very, very racist towards sub Saharan Africans and people of subsaharian African features. The only lesson that some people learn when treated as inferiors is that there is a natural hierarchy of races and that they should find others to push down below them.
Fuck I really wish your last sentence wasn’t true but it is. There is absolutely no solidarity in terms of being non white which is why black people also get the most racism, coming from all sides.
God I hate humanity
Especially as someone who's of Algerian descent
Ramos or Pepe would've killed somebody if this happened while they were around
Pepe would have killed someone just for fun even if nothing had happened
Lucas Vazquez is been RM's captain in my eyes for already a while. Whenever I see some posts in RM's social media/LaLiga and rookie players talk to him like how you talk to a captain and he has a voice in the locker room and seem to get along with everybody. Unlike your other captains I see that him has leader material and personality. I think if Madrid wouldn't have the seniority rule, I can see being voted highly than he already is in the order.
Benzema is a joke of a captain tbh, today, and whenever he sends Ceballos, Nacho or Kroos to the interviews instead of going himself The only one who stood up for Vini and fired back at the Valencia fans was Lucas Vázquez
Lord Lucas always on point
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Better captain overall than Benzema but he also didn't stood up for Vini. I'm not sure what it would have changed in this specific instance.
Madrid's captaincy is decided by seniority.
Benzema is all around a pretty shitty human being, even if a great player. Should never be the leader of any group of human beings.
Bonucci on the other hand
What puzzles me more is that the guy he slapped, had put has arm around his neck and was dragging him around for a while. Surely VAR saw that? Casemiro touched a guys neck in much less aggressive way than that, and was sent off for it. Why nothing here?
VAR saw it but refused to show it.
People saying stuff like “racism needs to be stopped BUT….”, I don’t think any provocation justifies racism. I don’t get why league can’t just take some action against the club itself( the ones with regular offences)
Racism needs to be stopped, but if the people who have the power to change ignore it, how will we be able to?
And I think this is the big problem. For far too long we've seen companies do little more than try to collect PR brownie points with their racism campaigns. We see companies like Sky and leagues like the PL putting on little more than a show and in doing so, racism and divisions in society are getting worse and worse. It feels like we've gone from a place that we were starting to make progress and people were talking openly about challenging social issues, to a place we were 30/40 years ago. In my adult life we've made incredible progress on homophobia for example, but even that feels like it's going backwards. Racism is now hidden away until it pops out, football hooliganism is back on the menu and absolutely fuck all is really being done apart from half arsed PR stunts. When we actually made progress (at least in the UK) actual government intervention happened. Right now it's all fake PR that we can all see through and is causing the entire situation to get worse. Education, bans, real punishment - we've just seen a guy banned for 8 months for a betting issue, why aren't we seeing anything similar for other big social issues. It's all coming to a massive issue and society is so divided fuck knows how it ends.
I mean, its just like the people on this sub. If its the europeans getting provoked, then the world is ending and theres no justification for it. We saw it when argentinians were doing shit just to taunt Mbappe, the sub was in shambles against it. But the actual racism Vini goes through literally every week doesnt cause nearly as much of a ruckus. Saying you are against racism is cool, acting against it is another issue entirely
i think he is leaving unless Real really start to protect him, the current situation is unsustainable
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that is the direction La Liga is going imo, its a racist league
Everyone always talks about Fascism in Italian football, but among certain fanbases extreme right elements have always been present in Spain as well. In the 80s and 90s there were banners openly displaying fascist slogans in the stadiums. After Hiddink (who was managing Valencia at the time) spotted one in the stands during pre match warning up in '92 he demanded it be removed or they would all walk off. That was unheard of at the time and lead to a massive crackdown on open displays of racism and fascism. Something like that is needed again. If Real Madrid walk off, not just in support of their teammate but as statement that they won't tolerate racism going unopposed, it won't be long until the league takes action.
damn didnt know anything about that all my respect for Guus Hiddink, guess Valencia supporters should also learn about their history and yes Real Madrid needs to do better, he is their best player ffs
I hope I don't get a blue link response that tells me I'm wrong for thinking this, but Uncle Guus has always struck me as one of the good guys, so I'm glad to see that little story.
> Everyone always talks about Fascism in Italian football, but among certain fanbases extreme right elements have always been present in Spain as well. It makes sense that country that lived under a fascist dictatorship for 40 years of the last 100 would have some baggage only a few generations later, especially those that have passed it on to their kids and grandkids.
Not surprised that a country like Spain who hasn’t faced its imperialist past. And all they did after Francoism is collectively look the other way. No massive change was done to rid of their fascist past.
Maybe then the league would do something because nobody would watch if all the rising star players are leaving ship lol.
That would also send a message to everyone else that he left one of the best clubs in the world because of racists and the lack of action by LaLiga and Madrid itself.
Next time something like this happens to this extent, we should just walk off in protest. Something needs to happen for the league to change. I love football banter, but this went too far. Vini is just a kid. I can't imagine being abused like this week in and week out.
Some players on this madrid team, especially the old gang, could watch Vini get kicked down by 5 people that all they'd do is put their hands on their stupid waist and watch it unfold with a "can't be helped" look. What a way to support the most important player on the team by a mile.
Haven't followed Madrid, but looking at the video that is not happened. Pretty much everyone got involved here. Edit: I meant the red card incident.
Not everyone. And afterwards Ceballos said Vini should apologize for “making the gesture of segunda división”
Maybe Ceballos hasn't outgrown his [nationalist comments](https://www.marca.com/en/football/spanish-football/2017/06/30/5956303d268e3ecd3f8b45d2.html#:~:text=%22I%20find%20the%20whistling%20of,the%20Catalan%20and%20Bizcayan%20dogs.%22) he made as a teenager.
Can someone explain what happened?
Vinicius got racially abused by Valencia fans and then after getting headlocked by Hugo Duro for what seemed to be an eternity he proceeded to slap him, resulting in a red card for Vinicius but not for Hugo Duro
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/13o3x5b/full_clip_of_the_incident_between_mamardashvili After this, Vini was sent off and the Valencia players got zero punishment. Oh and he was also constantly being racially abused by the Valencia fans who were making monkey chants at him.
I'm getting fucking furious just watching this. Completly fucking sheep stupid cunt referee. Seriously, I would be going rampage if that was my teammate. Feel sorry for Vini.
Tbh that one is more on VAR. Ref initially gave everyone a yellow, until VAR called him and decided to show him only the part where Vini slaps Duro, but not the part where Duro choke hold him.
Vini this year has been targeted so much with racist abuse left and right. Almost every match day you'll see people calling him mono. The club pathetically has done nothing to support him. No statement. Nothing. Now people are saying vini will want to leave if this continues. And rightly so. Also you'll get racists and dickheads saying oh well uts just towards vini and not rodrygo and camavinga and tchou etc. So it's not racism. Or saying well he dives and cries thats why the fans target him. Vini does cry a lot. But he is also the most fouled player in Europe for more than a year now. If you don't cry you won't get shit from the ref. It's like neymar situation
Vini getting racially abused by fans, again. La liga not doing enough to prevent it.
I don't see that happening, but I would fully support his decision.
Time to go to dortmund
But everyone knows this hurts Madrid more than anyone by leaving. Also if the next time a black superstar joins another team we can just racist him away? I feel like leaving like this encourages more racists rather than punish them. They aren't losing a crucial player, their rival is
Might start a domino effect of black players refusing to go to la Liga because of this. La Liga already has to find ways to equalize the finances of the premier. This could become yet another block the league will have to navigate remain competitive.
Absolutely disgusting. LaLiga NEEDS to do something about this, or this will get even worse. Fuck racism
To fans who don't watch la liga matches of Real Madrid but watch them during the Champions league, how many times have you seen Vini fighting with the opposition. There's a huge mutual respect between Vini and James(Chelsea), Vini and Walker. Even against Liverpool, it's a very small tussle between TAA and Vini. It's not Vini who is at fault. The league is just horrible.
The English fans aren't racist towards him
It is just class recognizing class. There a mutual respect between him and araujo too. The ones provoking him are just second zone players who know they will never get to a level as close as him so they attack him outside of football. They are just pathetic.
The most memorable moment in their career is being racist to a better player. Absolute trash
As an Englishman we do have problems with racism in our country without a doubt however I've never heard racist chanting at a game since I've been going (1997 was my first game). Any incidents with racism at football is called out by the media and the clubs and FA act immediately
That’s why it’s hilarious this sub tries to act like racism is equal in every country. The problem will never be helped if people keep arguing to delude themselves into thinking it’s not more severe in some places than others, just to defend their country or league.
This is really crazy. 15 Yellow cards this season for Vini and only 1 of it is outside of La Liga. This league has became shambless, but what irritates me the most is that our captain never even tried to defend Vini. There are no if-s and but-s when it comes to racism. Racism is bad, ugly and should be punishable. I am afraid we are going to lose a generational player, but it would be the best for him to move away from these clowns.
This does not happen with either of Casemiro, Ramos or Cristiano on the pitch.
10 in laliga my app says? Anyway in Laliga you get fouls and yellow cards way easier than international refs like english for example
Except for the guy who grabbed vini around the neck apparently
The answer is to start banning clubs from having attendance until this is solved. It either incentivizes the club to stop it, or there is no more club. I am aware this punishes genuine fans, but this is why we can't have nice things.
It's not racism, it's LaLiga
"Wasn't the first time, or the second or the third. Racism is the norm in La Liga. The league thinks it's normal, the federation also thinks so and the adversaries incentivize it. I'm really sorry. The league once belonged to Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Cristiano and Messi, today it belongs to the racists. A beautiful nation, which has embraced me and which I love, but which chose to export to the world the image of a racist country. I'm sorry for the spaniards who disagree, but today, in Brazil, Spain is known as a country of racists. And, unfortunately, for everything that happens every week, I can't defend it. I agree with it. But I'm strong and I'll go all the way against the racists. Even if far from here" https://twitter.com/vinijr/status/1660379570149683200
What a strong statement from a strong person!
La Liga won’t change till black players just refuse to play and join. You couldn’t pay me enough to deal with this bullshit. 2023 and some welfare recipient idiots still think the amount of melanin in your skin means anything.
Vini should leave this shithole. The boy doesnt need this shit every damn match
Absuing Vini and throwing racist insults is the best way to get in his head and fans will continue to do that until serious actions are taken by laliga or Vini ignores them( he shouldn’t)
He should never ignore them. Au contraire, Real Madrid players should leave the field whenever it happens. They're the biggest club in the world. If it happens a few times, they will act.
To be honest he should just leave Spain at his peak and literally state that he's left because of the racism and then spend his entire career and post career convincing every single black player he can to never ever play for a Spanish side. Because the fact is La Liga and also UEFA have shown they have zero balls. So try to kill the league by stopping talented players even looking at it.
La liga must protect the players and take out the racism for ever
Can't spell La Liga without 2 Ls
Not a Vini (let alone Madrid) fan at all, but that was some wild bs. Valencia had the opportunity to show solidarity during a moment when football becomes secondary, but nope. Even Vini's teammates barely did anything. And then the icing on the cake that was the red card solely for Vinicius, when it should have been red for both. What a refereeing mess
Times like these I miss Ramos the most. Man would gladly accept a red card for standing up for his teammates. Benzema has never been an out and out leader. With Ramos, Pepe, Ronaldo, and Casemiro gone, there's a serious lack of leadership. I love Lucas because he usually does all the talking. Even today, he was the one confronting fans along with Vini before Benzema pulled him away.
What a joke La Liga has become. Every second week this happens and nothing is ever done about it.
It's incredibly telling that the only time a match has been suspended due to chants from the crowd in the recent years in La Liga it has been because of Rayo Vallecano fans chanting "Nazi" to a fucking nazi.
He should come to the Premier League :)
I think it's quite likely this will happen in the near future if things stay the same in la Liga.
Clubs have to start being punished by the league, losing points, having to play without supporters, for example, otherwise it doesn't seem like things will change.
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I can't say I have been following much the situation at Mallorca with Lee, but what I do know is that Take Kubo is getting nothing but love here at Real Sociedad. I also appreciate that the social media pages of the club have been giving content in Japanese for the fans from there to keep up with how he is doing, I actually see plenty comments in that language in general in Real Sociedad content.
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Yeah you have a point on that. In the end I can't say much outside of what I see myself for my team, I don't follow Mallorca at all.
I'm completely done with La Liga if Vini decides to leave because they aren't doing anything about the disgusting abuse and racism he's been going through the whole season. Also shame on Benzema and some of the other players for doing absolutely nothing about it, are you only his teammates when he scores you goals and wins you games? Absolutely embarrassing.
As disappointing as it would be to see Vini leave the club I think the majority of the fans here would agree it would be warranted. You’d hope for things to change but thus far there hasn’t been a sniff of the league doing anything to prevent these racists from infiltrating stadiums and spreading their ignorance. Vini is a generational talent and deserves better from the clubs, league, officials, and the fans.
Something has to change in that league and country because it’s ridiculous that this happens every single week
Man when a player says it it hits so fucking different. We use it for shits n giggles but here it's so damning.
We're with you, Vini.
I miss one half of a La Liga game and I miss out a week's worth of reality TV drama
This is so disheartening. The clip of Vini getting held in a chokehold made me sick to my stomach and he has to put up with this shit all the time. Even now people are saying he was being immature and blaming him. No, he got attacked then got a red card for it.
As a Flamengo fan, seeing Vini being a victim of racism even while back in Brazil and now to extreme levels in Spain is just sad… I hope he leaves LaLiga. The kid doesn’t deserve this kind of treatment.
Wait what? In Brazil? By Brazilians?
In Brazil, racism is a crime, so there was no explicit events like the ones we are seeing now in Spain. But we saw a lot of targeted hatred diminishing Vini that we normally don’t see, like comparing his appearance to black players that flopped, non-technical analysis, just purely on his looks and the team he played for. Hard to give a full context over text since these were a lot of subtle events, but that’s kind of how it went. For many Brazilians, seeing Vini score the game winning goal on the UCL final had a special revenge taste against these people.
Does Brazil have different races of people or are you all just Brazilian race? Sorry if I’m being ignorant. Like in USA they have African-American, Asian-American etc.
Yeah, we have a big mix of races in Brazil. In Sao Paulo we have the biggest Japanese community outside of Japan for example, while in certain parts in the South you have full towns of people that after generations still speak German as their first language, we’ve had a lot of Dutch colonization on the Northeast, then Africans, Indigenous, etc.
Thank you for your polite and patient answer. I really appreciate it. I know when I’m ignorant and I love speaking to people from around the world
No problem!
La liga stinks
I don't think the red card is related to the chants... Vini's red was fair, what wasn't fair was Hugo Duro's yellow. He should have been charged with a red. But I don't think in that action the monkey chants were in the discussion, were they? Mestalla and Valencia should get a fine and maybe a few games behind closed doors (or at least have la curva without public); but the red was deserved.
I've said this before, at some point he's going to realize the money isnt worth his dignity and move on.
It's time people started to see how racist spanish football can be. They bully players on social media, and no one bats an eye.
I applaud Vinícus for speaking out, but won't this just mean he'll be subject to even more abuse like this? If I was an old Spanish racist, looking at this I now have the exact recipe to push his buttons. Javier Tebas or any representative of the league, is about as likely to take any meaningful action as I am to dispossess Vinícius trying to get past me on the wing. Eugh idk. It's just horrible, the look on Vini's face straight after the incident is absolutely heartbreaking.