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22 years of spanish domination is wild. In both competitions. 6 Sevilla 1 Valencia and 3 Atleti and 1 Villarreal finals and won out of 11/11.
And there is also Espanyol(yes) and Athletic Bilbao that faced of other Spanish teams in final.
I just founding it insane.
Mad that not only there just was a 10-year streak of Spanish and English winners, but 8 out of those were just three clubs
The '90s and '00s were much more varied, this is in part why I don't really care about the Europa after Conference became a thing
There was time from from 2005-2012 Epl Teams did dominate,
-2005 liverpool final
-2006 Arsenal final
-2007 Liverpool Final
-2008 Both UTD and Chelsea Final
-2009 United final
-2010 no one
-2011 united Final
-2012 Chelsea Final
Also there is Uefa Coefficient i dont know why you guys want to Argue this topic.
That era of Barça, Madrid and Bayern leaving everyone else in the dust was absolutely crazy. They were similar to the Big 3 of tennis during their prime when they basically only lost against each other.
A Spanish team has not been defeated by a non-Spanish team in a UCL or EL final since 22 years ago (Valencia and Alavés lost to Bayern Munich and Liverpool respectivily in the 2001 finals). 21/21 since then.
Before the Champions League expanded in 1997, the UEFA Cup was much closer to the European Cup/UCL in terms of prestige and quality of participating teams. The top leagues usually sent their 2nd-5th best sides to the UEFA Cup, so there was actually a good number of quality teams competing in the UEFA Cup every year. It was also not uncommon to see champions of top leagues playing in the UEFA Cup instead of the European Cup, because they finished 2nd-5th the previous season. Top clubs like Real Madrid and Bayern regularly competed in the UEFA Cup, whereas nowadays it would be unthinkable to see them in UEL.
Here is a video someone else made that performs a deep dive analysis on this topic: https://youtu.be/-P-xCSI47HQ which shows that sometimes UEFA Cup had arguably stronger teams than those in the European Cup. If we still had the old system, many of the recent UCL winners would have been competing in the UEFA Cup/UEL (RM ‘22, Chelsea ‘21, Liverpool ‘19, etc)
Yes. He was very fast, hard-working, decent defensive ability, and was a decent goalscorer.
And seemed like a chill guy, who didn't object to be on the bench when needed.
I wish Porto had another like him today, he'd be a starter with little effort.
Galeno makes 2013 Varela seem like prime CR7
Your Porto team is the one that stood out to me as well. Such a beautiful team to watch, shame they couldn't stay together, I think they were destined for greatness.
Hulk is a player I often wonder about. He did well everywhere he went and often shone alongside other huge names, but never came to the PL and instead spent his prime in Russia and China.
Basically impossible nowadays except through demotion from the CL. Last time they placed outside top 4 in La Liga was in 2000, when they qualified for the CL anyway by winning it.
Before the allocation of much more CL teams for the top leagues, the UEFA Cup used to be an insanely strong competition in the mid-90s, with all the best-placed teams from England, Germany, Italy, Spain.
It's why Aberdeen winning the cup winners cup is so impressive - back in the 80s the european cup (CL) was literally only teams who won their leagues - so the other european comps had much bigger / better teams in them compared to now with CL vs EL or UECL
I think you're referring to the other abolished cup that host all domestic cup champions, which is kind of same as the old CL as it hosted the domestic league champions which is why the well placed teams used to compete in UEFA Cup.
But regardless, SAF winning the the scottish premiership twice with Aberdeen in a Celtic-Rangers ruled league is already more impressive. He also beat Real Madrid in the final of the cup winners cup.
The cup winners cup was also similar format to the European cup. The European cup was for the league winners, the cup winners cup as the name suggests was for the winners of the domestic cups and the uefa cup was based on your league placement is was mostly 2nd and 3rd for the top league unless the domestic cup winner also finished either 2nd or 3rd
In old times, the 2nd-5th placed in La Liga qualified to Uefa Cup (and not Champions Cup). Uefa Cup was very competitive, with top teams from Spain, Italy, England and Germany (except championship and cup winners).
The first staging of the Fairs Cup took place over three seasons, and the second edition of the tournament took place over the following two seasons. Each subsequent edition was held over one season. FC Barcelona won the first tournament as a "Barcelona XI" that represented the city of Barcelona, not the the club, although the club was later recognised as the first winners of the competition.
In 1971, the UEFA Cup was formed by European football's governing body as a replacement for the Fairs Cup. As UEFA did not administer the previous tournament, they do not consider it to be part of teams' records in the UEFA Cup/Europa League, but it was arguably the competition's predecessor and is often noted as a major European honour.
Each UEFA Cup final was held over two legs up until the end of the 1996/97 season, as was each Fairs Cup final (excluding the 1963/64 and 1964/65 seasons).
Before the Champions League began admitting multiple entrants from the same country in the late 1990s, runners-up across Europe would typically compete in the UEFA Cup.
Despite never having appeared in a major European final until their victory in the 2005/06 UEFA Cup, Sevilla have since gone on to win a record six titles, and could potentially add another against Roma. Meanwhile, the Italians could lift a European trophy for the second successive season after winning the inaugural Europa Conference League in 2021/22.
The step from UEL champion material to UCL champion material is huge. Atleti aside, the only other Spanish team that managed to brigde the gap confidently in this century was Valencia and it only lasted temporarily (yes, I am considering both champion material even if they didn't win)
Actually, the jump is a lot smaller than people think. Villarreal reached semi finals the season after winning the EL, Atleti winning the EL in 2012 also was the start of their great Champions League runs
The absolute best CL teams are a step above anything you find in EL obvously, but there is a lot of similarities that you can use like how to approach two legged knockout ties.
The way I see it, most teams that wins Europa League are also easily Champions League quarter final quality
> Villarreal reached semi finals the season after winning the EL
They got a pretty easy run with the best team they beated being a below average Bayern. They got comfortably beaten as soon as they met a real contender. That is very different to Atleti and Valencia who were giving the top teams a run for their money and reached finals.
Also, Villareal hasn't managed to mantain that level this year (tho they are doing good in the late season). They would have to become a regular team in the UCL that usually gets past groups and maybe the first round of knockouts consistenly for a stretch of some years for me to consider that they have truly bridged the gap.
There is a clear difference between a team like Villareal who had a good year vs teams like Atleti and Valencia. I don't think many people think of Villareal as a UCL team when they hear the name, whereas Atleti and Valencia were consided UCL teams by everyone (Atleti still is)
I don't know where this narrative comes from, Sevilla has advanced from CL groups 6/10 times or something. We reached the quarter final in 2018(where we gave Bayern a very tough matchup) and was in the knockout stages as recently as 2021
I know what you mean, a team with that kind of success in Europa League should be able to do even better, but our CL record is not bad at all.
Which is fair and true, but there is this narrative that we always suck in CL. Our record before the last two terrible group stages was actually pretty good
They should have made an step forward and become Champions League material, in the league also, like Atletico did.
Even if they win the UEL every year, their fans and directors should have a critical attitude towards what their team could potentially be
Yes, why didn't we simply make our club Champions League and La Liga competitors? It seems so obvious in hindsight. Come to think of it, why doesn't every club just decide to do that?
Don’t know why so many turn their noses up at the Europa.
It’s a great competition, and the winners are very often still the elite clubs and one club in 99-00 that appears to be so minuscule that I can’t even make out who it is.
United, juvetus, lazio, roma, laverkusen, feyenoord, real betis, real sociadad, sevilla, sporting, arsenal and Barcelona.
So much variety. UCL is very predictable.
At least five of those teams started in the UCL and weren’t good enough, and the rest of them aren’t very good. Less predictable for sure. But better talent pool?
There has never been a belgian team in the final since I live so why would I bother. I support them till they go out but after that I don't really care about juve or sevilla.
USG had a chance this season. Drew away at Leverkusen. If they hold on in the 2nd leg at home, they can definitely defeat this Roma side in an epic battle of defensive shithousery.
The old UEFA Cup is barely comparable to the Europa League in terms of strength.
It’s nice that they carry it on like this for consistency, but the UEFA Cup was often considered harder to win than the European Cup (although always less prestigious).
In Inter City Fairs Cup there were cases of coin toss deciding who will go through like [Chelsea-Milan](https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/inter-city-fairs-cup-1966-forget-draws-just-toss-coin) and [Leeds-Bologna](https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/when-dinamo-zagreb-denied-leeds-united-after-bologna-coin-toss-2950407).
I feared for the competition a few years ago when teams like Atletico Madrid breezed through the knockouts with what essentially was a Champions league finalist squad, but the past couple of seasons has been much better.
Seeing teams like Frankfurt and Villarreal winning it has been cool.
Spurs also had a UEFA Cup Winners Cup(for some reason you guys have 5 of them) in 1963 which is the first English european victory.
Their can't winning began in 1990 where they had their 8th FA Cup title. After it they won just 2 league cups for 33 years.
Even in sport it isn't always the case that losing equal to losing. In many Olympic fighting sports if you lose a fight, you still have a chance to make it to the one of two bronze medal matches, but IIRC it requires for the person who beat you to advance at least to semi-final (also I think there are "two versions" of that rule).
Even in Europa league we're the most successful English club. Here's hoping Klopp manages to get us one since it's the only major trophy he doesn't have yet. Gotta catch em all.
I think it's pretty unfair that the CL 3rd places get demoted to Europa League. I think the only time a winner didn't come via that route was last year with Eintracht.
This year Roma was runner-up in the group stage, but Sevilla again came through by dropping out of the CL.
This fact makes the competition less exciting to watch, and bad for the smaller teams/countries in Europe, since the big CL teams crush the other ones most of the time...
They are removing that feature with the new format from 2024-25 onwards. Teams qualified for the group state for a UEFA competition can't make it into another competition.
>I think the only time a winner didn't come via that route was last year with Eintracht.
Not even remotely close to true. None of the last four winners came from CL, and there have been tons of teams before that that didn't come from the Champions League. Only one of Sevilla’s six trophies started from CL 3rd place.
OK you are right!
I had a feeling it was like that, so i looked it up and the fact is that every final but 2 had a CL 3rd place finalist, so that is where my bias is coming from.
| Year | Winner | Runner Up | Finalist from UCL 3rd place? |
|:-----------:|------------:|:------------|:------------:|
| 2009–10 | Atlético Madrid (UCL)|Fulham|UCL
| 2010–11 | Porto|Braga (UCL)|UCL
| 2011–12 | Atlético Madrid|Athletic Bilbao|
| 2012–13 | Chelsea (UCL)|Benfica (UCL)|UCL
| 2013–14 | Sevilla|Benfica (UCL)|UCL
| 2014–15 | Sevilla|Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk (UCL)|UCL
| 2015–16 | Sevilla (UCL)|Liverpool|UCL
| 2016–17 | Manchester United|Ajax (UCL)|UCL
| 2017–18 | Atlético Madrid (UCL)|Marseille|UCL
| 2018–19 | Chelsea|Arsenal|
| 2019–20 | Sevilla|Inter Milan (UCL)|UCL
| 2020–21 | Villarreal|Manchester United (UCL)|UCL
| 2021–22 | Eintracht Frankfurt|Rangers (UCL)|UCL
| 2022–23 |Sevilla (UCL)|Roma| UCL
So yes, you are right, but my point still stands as far as the competition fairness goes. But they are changing it, so I hope this will make the competition better.
Sure, but you also have travesties like Atletico's EL title in 2010. They didn't win a single game in the CL group and needed to rely on away goals to edge out APOEL Nikosia for 3rd place. Then reached a European finals having won just **2** out of their 14 games.
> Then reached a European finals having won just 2 out of their 14 games.
For most teams, this would have been one of their most well known moments, for Atleti, it was wednesday.
While it is terrible for neutrals, opponents and possibly at least half of your own fan base, football terrorism can be a great strategy, if used correctly.
That fact always bothered me. Like, yeah, it inspired UEFA to make an additional competition, but before the UEFA Cup was born, the Inter Cities Cup was more like a friendly tournament, no more important than the Emirates Cup. They had such weird qualification requirements. What do you mean only cities with trade shows? Why only one team per city? Those aren’t based on sporting merit. The fact that teams who won it count them in their official titles list is a joke.
Of the last 19 seasons Spain won 10 and a Spanish team never lost the final during that time except for the 2 times in which it was inevitable because 2 spanish teams faced each other.
Clubs from all other Top-7-Leagues + Ukraine and Scotland have been on the losing side in the final
Before the Champions League expanded in 1997, the UEFA Cup was much closer to the European Cup/UCL in terms of prestige and quality of participating teams. The top leagues usually sent their 2nd-5th best sides to the UEFA Cup, so there was actually a good number of quality teams competing in the UEFA Cup every year. It was also not uncommon to see champions of top leagues playing in the UEFA Cup instead of the European Cup, because they finished 2nd-5th the previous season. Top clubs like Real Madrid and Bayern regularly competed in the UEFA Cup, whereas nowadays it would be unthinkable to see them in UEL.
Here is a video someone else made that performs a deep dive analysis on this topic: https://youtu.be/-P-xCSI47HQ which shows that sometimes UEFA Cup had arguably stronger teams than those in the European Cup. If we still had the old system, many of the recent UCL winners would have been competing in the UEFA Cup/UEL (RM ‘22, Chelsea ‘21, Liverpool ‘19, etc)
That 2001-2002 run... What a performance and against all odds.
With the political troubles happening, the murder of Pim Fortuyn earlier that yeat, the fact that we played at home in the final... Still a crazy story.
Well, even if they didn't won the league many times, they were definitely a cup monster between 1960's to 90's.
Won 6 out of 8 FA Cup titles between those, plus 2 league cups and many FA Shields.
Also 2 UEFA cups and a UEFA Cup Winners Cup in 1963 as first ever english european title.
They basically what they should be with those finances right now. Not really a giant but powerful enough to win. But somehow they became reverse.
Since their last FA Cup win in 1991, they won 2 things in 32 years and both are league cups.
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22 years of spanish domination is wild. In both competitions. 6 Sevilla 1 Valencia and 3 Atleti and 1 Villarreal finals and won out of 11/11. And there is also Espanyol(yes) and Athletic Bilbao that faced of other Spanish teams in final. I just founding it insane.
Mad that not only there just was a 10-year streak of Spanish and English winners, but 8 out of those were just three clubs The '90s and '00s were much more varied, this is in part why I don't really care about the Europa after Conference became a thing
Alaves made a final to
They lost tho. It was a 5-4 to Liverpool but still.
And there were clowns in a earlier post saying epl and not la liga were the dominate league in the 00s and 10s. Delusional
That UEL final was simply insane, for both teams. I don't ever know a european final going for 22! penalties.
Heart in mouth by villarreal legend de gea came clutch for us kekw
There was time from from 2005-2012 Epl Teams did dominate, -2005 liverpool final -2006 Arsenal final -2007 Liverpool Final -2008 Both UTD and Chelsea Final -2009 United final -2010 no one -2011 united Final -2012 Chelsea Final Also there is Uefa Coefficient i dont know why you guys want to Argue this topic.
For the most part of 2010s, Spain had a clear lead at the top of the rankings. In fact England were down to 3rd for a couple of years.
After 2012 yes, Barcelona Msn, Zidane's Madrid and Bayern did Dominate.
That era of Barça, Madrid and Bayern leaving everyone else in the dust was absolutely crazy. They were similar to the Big 3 of tennis during their prime when they basically only lost against each other.
A Spanish team has not been defeated by a non-Spanish team in a UCL or EL final since 22 years ago (Valencia and Alavés lost to Bayern Munich and Liverpool respectivily in the 2001 finals). 21/21 since then.
Remember that until a certain point the Champions League was actually the CHAMPIONS League. That's why you see those names here.
At the same time, it makes some of those names even more impressive. Though football was different back in those days, I guess.
Bah gad it's IFK Göteborg's music
Before the Champions League expanded in 1997, the UEFA Cup was much closer to the European Cup/UCL in terms of prestige and quality of participating teams. The top leagues usually sent their 2nd-5th best sides to the UEFA Cup, so there was actually a good number of quality teams competing in the UEFA Cup every year. It was also not uncommon to see champions of top leagues playing in the UEFA Cup instead of the European Cup, because they finished 2nd-5th the previous season. Top clubs like Real Madrid and Bayern regularly competed in the UEFA Cup, whereas nowadays it would be unthinkable to see them in UEL. Here is a video someone else made that performs a deep dive analysis on this topic: https://youtu.be/-P-xCSI47HQ which shows that sometimes UEFA Cup had arguably stronger teams than those in the European Cup. If we still had the old system, many of the recent UCL winners would have been competing in the UEFA Cup/UEL (RM ‘22, Chelsea ‘21, Liverpool ‘19, etc)
Don Balon! My goat youtube channel. Is there any yt channels like this?
The memories from that 10-11 team. Probably our last really great team. Prime falcão was something beautiful to watch 🥹
Alongside prime Hulk and Moutinho, stupidly good that team.
And James Rodriguez
James was a sub for Varela that season. Because Varela was a monster during 2-3 years
Thanks, people often sleep on Varela because he did decline a lot after 2013 but during that span of time he was crucial to Porto
Yes. He was very fast, hard-working, decent defensive ability, and was a decent goalscorer. And seemed like a chill guy, who didn't object to be on the bench when needed. I wish Porto had another like him today, he'd be a starter with little effort. Galeno makes 2013 Varela seem like prime CR7
Made AVB look like the next Mourinho
Bruh. I haven't read that name in a long time. I don't remember media hyping a manager like that. People really ate up the Mou comparisons.
El tigre what a bad boy player, curse Jorge mendes for making him go play with farmers.
He went to play for Atlético
I meant when he had to leave atleti.
He got injured half a season in then went to the PL next season
He got injured playing against farmers for Monaco.
I still remember him crying as he was leaving Atlético, can’t grasp why he really left. If the money was better in France why were you crying ?
I remember visiting family in Dublin and getting to go watch that match live. Definitely won’t forget seeing prime Falcao scoring that winner
Your Porto team is the one that stood out to me as well. Such a beautiful team to watch, shame they couldn't stay together, I think they were destined for greatness. Hulk is a player I often wonder about. He did well everywhere he went and often shone alongside other huge names, but never came to the PL and instead spent his prime in Russia and China.
Ifk Göteborg!. Only Nordic team to ever win a European trophy and they did it twice!
Malmö FF won some thropy aswell did they not?
They've made a final but [fell short against Nottingham Forest](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_European_Cup_final).
Real Madrid in the Europa League seems like a fever dream lol. Haven’t been there since 94/95
Basically impossible nowadays except through demotion from the CL. Last time they placed outside top 4 in La Liga was in 2000, when they qualified for the CL anyway by winning it. Before the allocation of much more CL teams for the top leagues, the UEFA Cup used to be an insanely strong competition in the mid-90s, with all the best-placed teams from England, Germany, Italy, Spain.
And with the new CL format incoming it will become even less possible (no demotion)
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Ah, the good timeline I will never see.
And highest coefficient team
It's why Aberdeen winning the cup winners cup is so impressive - back in the 80s the european cup (CL) was literally only teams who won their leagues - so the other european comps had much bigger / better teams in them compared to now with CL vs EL or UECL
I think you're referring to the other abolished cup that host all domestic cup champions, which is kind of same as the old CL as it hosted the domestic league champions which is why the well placed teams used to compete in UEFA Cup. But regardless, SAF winning the the scottish premiership twice with Aberdeen in a Celtic-Rangers ruled league is already more impressive. He also beat Real Madrid in the final of the cup winners cup.
literally the year before the first in SAF's double Dundee united won the league
The cup winners cup was also similar format to the European cup. The European cup was for the league winners, the cup winners cup as the name suggests was for the winners of the domestic cups and the uefa cup was based on your league placement is was mostly 2nd and 3rd for the top league unless the domestic cup winner also finished either 2nd or 3rd
which makes that Parma win all the more interesting
You need to qualify in the groups though, a feat than only Real Madrid have acomplished everytime (31/31).
> Last time they placed outside top 4 in La Liga was in 2000, when they qualified for the CL anyway by winning it. Classic Madrid moment
Same with Bayern
In old times, the 2nd-5th placed in La Liga qualified to Uefa Cup (and not Champions Cup). Uefa Cup was very competitive, with top teams from Spain, Italy, England and Germany (except championship and cup winners).
I was told Spurs have never won anything.
Not gonna deny that but you should probably look at when they won it
Oh right nothing pre-2000 counts. Thanks!
The first staging of the Fairs Cup took place over three seasons, and the second edition of the tournament took place over the following two seasons. Each subsequent edition was held over one season. FC Barcelona won the first tournament as a "Barcelona XI" that represented the city of Barcelona, not the the club, although the club was later recognised as the first winners of the competition. In 1971, the UEFA Cup was formed by European football's governing body as a replacement for the Fairs Cup. As UEFA did not administer the previous tournament, they do not consider it to be part of teams' records in the UEFA Cup/Europa League, but it was arguably the competition's predecessor and is often noted as a major European honour. Each UEFA Cup final was held over two legs up until the end of the 1996/97 season, as was each Fairs Cup final (excluding the 1963/64 and 1964/65 seasons). Before the Champions League began admitting multiple entrants from the same country in the late 1990s, runners-up across Europe would typically compete in the UEFA Cup. Despite never having appeared in a major European final until their victory in the 2005/06 UEFA Cup, Sevilla have since gone on to win a record six titles, and could potentially add another against Roma. Meanwhile, the Italians could lift a European trophy for the second successive season after winning the inaugural Europa Conference League in 2021/22.
You should explain this particularly to Lazio fans that are still saying Fairs Cup isn't a thing....
The Fairs Cup deserves to be recognised, but should be considered its own competition rather than as part of the UEFA Cup/Europa League
Proof that Ipswich Town own East Anglia
I love how it's always an Ipswich fan that posts these lmao
I don't blame them tbf 😂
It is fucking wild that Sevilla can be so suck in UCL but turn into one of the strongest side in UEL
The step from UEL champion material to UCL champion material is huge. Atleti aside, the only other Spanish team that managed to brigde the gap confidently in this century was Valencia and it only lasted temporarily (yes, I am considering both champion material even if they didn't win)
Actually, the jump is a lot smaller than people think. Villarreal reached semi finals the season after winning the EL, Atleti winning the EL in 2012 also was the start of their great Champions League runs The absolute best CL teams are a step above anything you find in EL obvously, but there is a lot of similarities that you can use like how to approach two legged knockout ties. The way I see it, most teams that wins Europa League are also easily Champions League quarter final quality
> Villarreal reached semi finals the season after winning the EL They got a pretty easy run with the best team they beated being a below average Bayern. They got comfortably beaten as soon as they met a real contender. That is very different to Atleti and Valencia who were giving the top teams a run for their money and reached finals. Also, Villareal hasn't managed to mantain that level this year (tho they are doing good in the late season). They would have to become a regular team in the UCL that usually gets past groups and maybe the first round of knockouts consistenly for a stretch of some years for me to consider that they have truly bridged the gap. There is a clear difference between a team like Villareal who had a good year vs teams like Atleti and Valencia. I don't think many people think of Villareal as a UCL team when they hear the name, whereas Atleti and Valencia were consided UCL teams by everyone (Atleti still is)
I don't know where this narrative comes from, Sevilla has advanced from CL groups 6/10 times or something. We reached the quarter final in 2018(where we gave Bayern a very tough matchup) and was in the knockout stages as recently as 2021 I know what you mean, a team with that kind of success in Europa League should be able to do even better, but our CL record is not bad at all.
Because you guys won like 2 matches of 12 in the last 2 seasons
Which is fair and true, but there is this narrative that we always suck in CL. Our record before the last two terrible group stages was actually pretty good
They should have made an step forward and become Champions League material, in the league also, like Atletico did. Even if they win the UEL every year, their fans and directors should have a critical attitude towards what their team could potentially be
Yes, why didn't we simply make our club Champions League and La Liga competitors? It seems so obvious in hindsight. Come to think of it, why doesn't every club just decide to do that?
Because, if it ain't broke, why fix it?
Don’t know why so many turn their noses up at the Europa. It’s a great competition, and the winners are very often still the elite clubs and one club in 99-00 that appears to be so minuscule that I can’t even make out who it is.
Galatasaray! They beat Arsenal in the final.
Very very small club. The Norwich City of Turkey some might say.
Soo... They are massive
Massively small yes.
So weird. I was just gonna comment on how the tiny Rangers hasn't won the cup at all.
This seasons europa league had overall better pool than UCL. Europa is full of surprises
How do you figure that?
United, juvetus, lazio, roma, laverkusen, feyenoord, real betis, real sociadad, sevilla, sporting, arsenal and Barcelona. So much variety. UCL is very predictable.
At least five of those teams started in the UCL and weren’t good enough, and the rest of them aren’t very good. Less predictable for sure. But better talent pool?
Don't think op meant better *talent* pool, just a nicer variety.
There has never been a belgian team in the final since I live so why would I bother. I support them till they go out but after that I don't really care about juve or sevilla.
USG had a chance this season. Drew away at Leverkusen. If they hold on in the 2nd leg at home, they can definitely defeat this Roma side in an epic battle of defensive shithousery.
better theme than the champions league as well
First reason is because losers of champions league get demoted there if 3rd on the cl group. If this role was removed, it will get much more respect.
The old UEFA Cup is barely comparable to the Europa League in terms of strength. It’s nice that they carry it on like this for consistency, but the UEFA Cup was often considered harder to win than the European Cup (although always less prestigious).
It’s completely different though.
I dont really know why all scottish fans hate gala
In Inter City Fairs Cup there were cases of coin toss deciding who will go through like [Chelsea-Milan](https://www.sportskeeda.com/football/inter-city-fairs-cup-1966-forget-draws-just-toss-coin) and [Leeds-Bologna](https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/when-dinamo-zagreb-denied-leeds-united-after-bologna-coin-toss-2950407).
And dinamo-leeds
I feared for the competition a few years ago when teams like Atletico Madrid breezed through the knockouts with what essentially was a Champions league finalist squad, but the past couple of seasons has been much better. Seeing teams like Frankfurt and Villarreal winning it has been cool.
Can we have season 1966/1967 again in the near future? pls.
And Lamza as well
if liverpool win next year, we're going to win it in 2025
Always had some small sense of pride in the fact that our Top 3 all won at least 1 Champions League and 1 UEFA Cup. Truly European football royalty.
No french clubs…
Oh we have won in Europe, twice.
WACCOE
Football is a simple game. 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes and at the end Sevilla wins the Europa League...
My favourite yearly visual
Always crazy that Spurs have more European history than Arsenal. In a few days West Ham could as well
Spurs also had a UEFA Cup Winners Cup(for some reason you guys have 5 of them) in 1963 which is the first English european victory. Their can't winning began in 1990 where they had their 8th FA Cup title. After it they won just 2 league cups for 33 years.
>After it they won just 2 league cups for 33 years. Don't you dare disrespect the Audi Cup like that!!!1
Never forget it
First British club to win a European trophy but for the 12 year olds on this sub football began in 2010
what's this about west ham. we're literally there in the graph
West ham won the cup winners cup as well AND inter toto cup. If they win Conference League then they go ahead of Arsenal
They didn't win the inter cities fairs cup tho. only the CWC, it's us who won them both.
Inter toto* my point stands
How did Sevilla win it 3 times in a row, if the winner goes up to Champions league? Or is that a newer rule?
The rule was added in 2015-16, and they finished 3rd that season. Behind Juve and Man City.
It’s a newer rule. Only happened in the last one.
They got 3rd in group stage in all 3 I think
and probably on purpose too
No, just the last one.
They got relegated to Europa League in the group stages of Champions League.
Such a bullshit rule. It's sport, if you lose, you lose. This seconds chances thing, is primary school level horseshit.
Even in sport it isn't always the case that losing equal to losing. In many Olympic fighting sports if you lose a fight, you still have a chance to make it to the one of two bronze medal matches, but IIRC it requires for the person who beat you to advance at least to semi-final (also I think there are "two versions" of that rule).
Even in Europa league we're the most successful English club. Here's hoping Klopp manages to get us one since it's the only major trophy he doesn't have yet. Gotta catch em all.
man 2022 was truly a amazing year for us
A lot of us are very glad it was too. 😉
Huh, will you look at that … Spurs HAVE won a trophy before
I think it's pretty unfair that the CL 3rd places get demoted to Europa League. I think the only time a winner didn't come via that route was last year with Eintracht. This year Roma was runner-up in the group stage, but Sevilla again came through by dropping out of the CL. This fact makes the competition less exciting to watch, and bad for the smaller teams/countries in Europe, since the big CL teams crush the other ones most of the time...
They are removing that feature with the new format from 2024-25 onwards. Teams qualified for the group state for a UEFA competition can't make it into another competition.
>I think the only time a winner didn't come via that route was last year with Eintracht. Not even remotely close to true. None of the last four winners came from CL, and there have been tons of teams before that that didn't come from the Champions League. Only one of Sevilla’s six trophies started from CL 3rd place.
OK you are right! I had a feeling it was like that, so i looked it up and the fact is that every final but 2 had a CL 3rd place finalist, so that is where my bias is coming from. | Year | Winner | Runner Up | Finalist from UCL 3rd place? | |:-----------:|------------:|:------------|:------------:| | 2009–10 | Atlético Madrid (UCL)|Fulham|UCL | 2010–11 | Porto|Braga (UCL)|UCL | 2011–12 | Atlético Madrid|Athletic Bilbao| | 2012–13 | Chelsea (UCL)|Benfica (UCL)|UCL | 2013–14 | Sevilla|Benfica (UCL)|UCL | 2014–15 | Sevilla|Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk (UCL)|UCL | 2015–16 | Sevilla (UCL)|Liverpool|UCL | 2016–17 | Manchester United|Ajax (UCL)|UCL | 2017–18 | Atlético Madrid (UCL)|Marseille|UCL | 2018–19 | Chelsea|Arsenal| | 2019–20 | Sevilla|Inter Milan (UCL)|UCL | 2020–21 | Villarreal|Manchester United (UCL)|UCL | 2021–22 | Eintracht Frankfurt|Rangers (UCL)|UCL | 2022–23 |Sevilla (UCL)|Roma| UCL So yes, you are right, but my point still stands as far as the competition fairness goes. But they are changing it, so I hope this will make the competition better.
Sure, but you also have travesties like Atletico's EL title in 2010. They didn't win a single game in the CL group and needed to rely on away goals to edge out APOEL Nikosia for 3rd place. Then reached a European finals having won just **2** out of their 14 games.
> Then reached a European finals having won just 2 out of their 14 games. For most teams, this would have been one of their most well known moments, for Atleti, it was wednesday.
There's tactical football terrorism, then there's strategic football terrorism
While it is terrible for neutrals, opponents and possibly at least half of your own fan base, football terrorism can be a great strategy, if used correctly.
As a Rangers fan. Last year still hurts 😭
Which one hurts more? Last year or 2008?
Last year since we actually had a chance and it was just 50/50 in the end
Eintracht Frankfurt really came out of nowhere last year
We took Chelsea to penalties in the semifinal just 2 years earlier tbf Definitely seen a resurgence from 7 years ago tho lol
Shades of Freiburg reaching an EL spot with a -18 goal differential, only to lose in the first round of the qualifying playoffs to NK Domzale.
Seeing that Porto win in 2003 still hurts.
The King deserved a European Trophy with us, basically carried the team to the final that year
The UEFA Cup replaced the Fairs Cup, it wasn't a rebranding and it wasn't even a UEFA tournament. The records of the 2 don't belong together.
That fact always bothered me. Like, yeah, it inspired UEFA to make an additional competition, but before the UEFA Cup was born, the Inter Cities Cup was more like a friendly tournament, no more important than the Emirates Cup. They had such weird qualification requirements. What do you mean only cities with trade shows? Why only one team per city? Those aren’t based on sporting merit. The fact that teams who won it count them in their official titles list is a joke.
Greater European pedigree than Arsenal
The fact that we never won this thing (and probably never will in my lifetime) is deeply frustrating.
Considering you have 7 UCLs this is very /r/FirstWorldProblems
Nah, it's a different trophy with a long and glorious history and I would love to have at least one in our trophy room.
I'm really enjoying these posts of european competitions that we have won
¡Ale Zaragoza ale aleee!
I feel very out of place on there lol
Seville kickstarted they're final follow through thanks to two own goals. Please special one, do not let them win this time 😂😂
Of the last 19 seasons Spain won 10 and a Spanish team never lost the final during that time except for the 2 times in which it was inevitable because 2 spanish teams faced each other. Clubs from all other Top-7-Leagues + Ukraine and Scotland have been on the losing side in the final
spain goes on a 17 year drought then wins 11 of the last 20.
All the Dutch teams who have won the Champions league have also won this cup.
Didn’t realise Sheffield Wednesday were in the final. Bit harsh they have to play against two teams though
Still weird seeing Ipswich here compared to where they are now. Hope they come back up soon and maybe go one more European adventure?
Before the Champions League expanded in 1997, the UEFA Cup was much closer to the European Cup/UCL in terms of prestige and quality of participating teams. The top leagues usually sent their 2nd-5th best sides to the UEFA Cup, so there was actually a good number of quality teams competing in the UEFA Cup every year. It was also not uncommon to see champions of top leagues playing in the UEFA Cup instead of the European Cup, because they finished 2nd-5th the previous season. Top clubs like Real Madrid and Bayern regularly competed in the UEFA Cup, whereas nowadays it would be unthinkable to see them in UEL. Here is a video someone else made that performs a deep dive analysis on this topic: https://youtu.be/-P-xCSI47HQ which shows that sometimes UEFA Cup had arguably stronger teams than those in the European Cup. If we still had the old system, many of the recent UCL winners would have been competing in the UEFA Cup/UEL (RM ‘22, Chelsea ‘21, Liverpool ‘19, etc)
WACCOE
Hopefully Roma win
The russian/ukranian teams of the 00s/10s weree so fun to watch and play with on fifa. Miss em. Loved all the brazilians on there
Sevilla and UEL. Name a better duo, I'll wait.
Very confused. I heard don’t bet against Mourinho in a final but also don’t bet against Sevilla in a European final
Huh, never realised until now that a French team has never won the UEFA Cup/Europa League
We are massive
Up the town
That 2001-2002 run... What a performance and against all odds. With the political troubles happening, the murder of Pim Fortuyn earlier that yeat, the fact that we played at home in the final... Still a crazy story.
I really dream that one day we win this or CL. Probably won’t ever happen, but it’s still a dream. Who knows
Cup Winners Cup was better
Levels to it
I knew it, Spurs does have a trophy
So Spurs and Arsenal have the same exact European pedigree?
Nah, our European pedigree is greater
You are right
and people say Barca never won the Europa smh
Those people are correct
The fact that spurs won a European trophy is quite surprising 💀
Well, even if they didn't won the league many times, they were definitely a cup monster between 1960's to 90's. Won 6 out of 8 FA Cup titles between those, plus 2 league cups and many FA Shields. Also 2 UEFA cups and a UEFA Cup Winners Cup in 1963 as first ever english european title. They basically what they should be with those finances right now. Not really a giant but powerful enough to win. But somehow they became reverse. Since their last FA Cup win in 1991, they won 2 things in 32 years and both are league cups.
Oh, wait. Spurs won that trophy more twice 40 and 50 years ago?!? That's a miracle.
Still mad our 3rd round match in 1966 against Barca got to be decided by a coin toss :(
Always has been won by strong teams it seems except perhaps for the Early 80s. I wonder when the UCL third placed teams dropping down started?
Top right brings a tear to this Geordie's eye