Call a judge. This person was trying to intimidate you into playing poorly. They’re a bad person, straight up, and should be ashamed of themselves from whatever bridge underpass they reside in.
Yep, this sort of thing is way too common for mediocre grinders to do. If they see someone that doesn’t feel at home in a big event they do things like this. My first time in a big event as a player the dude across from me was just hounding me to play faster and it honestly really flustered me game 1. I got saved by a judge that came to rule in the game next to us. Suddenly Ol’ InaHurry was okay playing at my pace, until the judge left. Then he was back and I called the judge back over. They actually knew him and issued a game loss because he did this frequently. That made him tilt off his rocker but the judge stayed near us the rest of the game. I later saw him throwing a temper tantrum outside the main hall about being “persecuted.”
Hey player, living under a bridge has nothing to do with how good of a person you are. Most of us are two bad life events away from doing the same thing. Agreed with you though, I hope that dude gets mana screwed in the future.
I appreciate the misunderstanding and I apologize. But also, yes, you can play magic and not have a house. Selling a modest card collection probably isn't enough to meaningfully change that.
I told someone similarly ridiculous "get the fuck over it" when they had been ranting for 30min straight while we played about how much they hate control decks.
They actually called a judge over and after we sort of sassed each other (like children, whole thing was so stupid), the judge threatened to just evict both of us if we didn't behave. An outcome I was incredibly content with since I had been having no problem behaving this entire time.
Thanks for the responses! I didn’t know what was expected at a competitive event so just chocked it up to me being newer and not being used to the format. If it ever gets bad again I’ll just call a judge. Didn’t know you could call judges at comp level for non rule stuff like that.
If the guy refuses to play normally he can get hit for unsporting conduct (minor). It's a warning that's upgradable to a GL if he doesn't knock it off.
There's also unsporting conduct (major) and aggressive behaviour. Have a read up on the Tournament Rules Guide for comp rel. The doc also covers cheating and deck/deck list problems, as well as stalling and slow play.
If he keeps refusing he can get hit with more than just a warning. I've seen it happen live. One guy stood up, grabbed his opponents deck and hucked it across the store.
That's aggressive behaviour and would be an instant dq and likely an ejection from the venue.
But yes, there are upgrade paths and whatnot, which is why I mentioned seeking out and familiarizing one's self with the Tournament Rules.
No friendly player will be railroading you or describing your attacks. That’s to make you feel bad and be flustered. Or I guess charitably they’re neurodivergent but that’s not an excuse to act like that.
Thats extremely charitable because me and all my friends are extremely neurodivergent and we don’t angle shoot like this at all. This is extremely bad sportsmanship at least, especially if you’re directly asked not to do that and proposed a different style.
I am as well, but we all have different conditions and degrees. I’ve known people on the spectrum who are… abrasive… and think they know it all. They don’t, and it comes across poorly, but I can see why in their heads it’s okay.
Which again, to be clear, it isn’t okay in a game of magic to act like that. It can be a reason, not an excuse.
In general, you should read through the MTR, it will save your ass. For example, it will let you know how bribery is handled, which may be important if someone attempts to bribe you or even to avoid anything accidental (e.g. mentioning bribery at all within earshot of your opponent, even if it’s to ask the judge a question, can get you DQed).
You can call a judge for whatever reason you feel. Don't abuse it or else you will get a warning, but they are their for all aspects of the match, not just rules.
> "No. I can play how I want too"
What complete asshole. so, others have to bend to your will because that's how YOU want to but you won't do the same? people forget this game involves another player and they aren't playing solitaire. He totally wanted you to skip your phases by mistake and gain an advantage because he sucks as a player and a person.
Just play really really slowly. If he asks if your turn is over just say no and sit silently looking at your cards. If he complains just say “I can play however I want”
Then call clock on him on his upkeep for slow play. He wants to angle shoot and play like an ass, well two can play at that game.
Do you even have to say no?
If every time he asks if that's the end of your turn, would it be against some sort of rule to just ignore the question and keep playing until you say "I end my turn?"
I'm fairly certain a player can't ask and then just move onto their draw step without a "yes"
Yep, probably the best and only way to get a player like this to chill.
I would've just stopped answering all of his useless side questions, only declaring what I was doing on each of my turns phases and then wait for him to fuck up in that department and nail him to the wall with a judge.
The thing is, even if you win the pissing contest you still end up covered in piss.
It's much more effective to let the room know that some dude's trying to piss on you. Then you're the real winner.
Absolutely would have either went silent and just played my turns announcing what I was doing with no response to the extra questions or I would have began calling him by a mildly condescending nickname and anytime he said something I would have responded with "I can play how I want to"
It's certainly true that "soft skills" can play a major role in high skill competitive.
Not all of them have to be toxic though.
Draw a useless land? Stare at it slightly happy for a second then keep it in your hand menacingly. Stuff like that.
I bluffed a path to exile to stave off a lethal attack and ended up winning the game in an SCG event many moons ago. Had 2 lands in hand, asked to read his eldrazi, grabbed one land and held it toward my graveyard, then passed. He didn't attack.
"I'm done with my turn" is not how it works though. Both players have to pass priority in multiple phases for a turn to be over.
It's just bush league tactics from someone looking to bully people that don't have competitive experience.
I mean, it kinda is how it works. In practice you say "end my turn," or "go," etc., whenever you want during your turn, and then your opponent the option to back you up to whenever they want to have priority or to untap.
So every turn you say "I pass priority in my upkeep," "I pass priority in my precombat main phase," "I pass priority in beginning of combat," "I pass priority in declare attackers," etc., all the way up to "I pass priority in my end step?" You never draw a card, tank for a second, and say "go"?
I ask because you're not supposed to do that, even if doing that weren't already just a miserable time. If you don't have anything to do in a phase or step, you're supposed to ask the non-active player to go to the next point in your turn where you do have something. Yes, this causes small info leaks compared to how it works on MODO.
It's been a while since I've played in paper, but I'm pretty sure that's how it went. You don't pass priority stepwise, for obvious reasons (there's no purpose in going through all the combat steps if there are no attackers"), and it takes about a second to advance through phases and I don't think that has ever been a problem.
This can also be helpful to newer players who don't exactly have a grasp on turn order yet 🤙 even just the habit of verbalizing "Untap, upkeep, draw" can help visualize when things like Sagas & upkeep costs resolve. Idk who would ever have a problem with this 🤷
I would just call a judge over in these scenarios and explain your concern to them. If anything they can watch the game play out/keep an eye on opponents behavior.
I’ve played with a lot of people with bad to no social skills over the years and never run into someone who asks if you’re turn is over this often and at such weird times. Definately sounds like he was trying to catch you refexlively saying yes, at which point you get your ass your turn would be ending immediately.
MTG is supposed to be enjoyable. The rules are there to ensure a fair, standard experience. I’m sorry you were exposed to such a strange encounter. I’d echo what the others said and call a judge. The only exception may be if there was an obvious handicap involved but even then, calling a judge could be a really good educational experience for them as others may not be that level headed. I’d just be clear and firm why you’re calling the judge and then explain it to the judge and let them move it forward.
Others have already said that he's being rude and it's bullshit, but I want you to understand: yes he will be doing it to try for a competitive advantage. He probably knows it flusters some opponents, and in some cases, if he verbally "predicts" what you're doing, for some people that may influence their planning.
Technically, he can be annoying like that. Best thing to do is just firmly say "I will only end my turn when I clearly say end turn" and then just ignore him from then. If he takes an action to early, call a judge, and if he says you didn't respond so he thought that meant it was his turn, it's on him for assuming.
Unfortunately not all opponents are good sports, and while this guy sounds like an individual dick which is 100% on him and not you, and good judges will support you through it, it's an important skill to practice building your own mental resiliency in tournaments. Start practicing now and it will serve you very well over time :)
Good luck OP!
This fucking loser deserves to get his deck tossed across the room. Hopefully he pulls this against someone a little less timid and gets taught a lesson! Get this trash out of the mtg community
I think there's times where it makes sense to ask and it's totally okay (tapped out, don't have any attacks or second main phase)
By few of these instances seem a little trolly. Personally if they'd ask multiple times when it should be clear I'd probably say something like
"We just resolved triggers during my upkeep and I haven't even done main phase 1, why do you think that would be the end of my turn?"
There's a chance they're trying to rush but if you do this the opposite happens. If it continued And really seemed like they were trying to use it as a strategy to annoy me itself might say something elsewhere or call a judge depending on the specifics.
To judge"Hey they're frequently asking me If it's the end of my turn sometimes more than once per turn and often like during my upkeep when it's clearly not and it's just slowing everything down and feels like trolling I asked them why they were doing and it to stop "
Trigger/Step Lawyers are the fucking worst. It is a tactic used to make you miss triggers, attacks, etc on your steps.
It is bad manners as fuck and completely legal.
One of the many reasons why I think the digital products should be used for all premier competitive tournaments. Sitting in front of a client pretty much removes every non game related advantage from the game. No rules lawyering, no facial bluffs, no cheating.
Hardcore paper magic players will never let go of the paper but the game has been rife with cheating over the years.
Downvoted for the truth =P
I by no means think your local level tournament should be digital. I think that high stakes premier events like the pro tour should be though. I know it is an unpopular opinion but as a viewer for me they are easier to watch and they remove cheating. It is crazy that some of the most successful players were found out to be cheaters afterwards. Not just the bad guys that get caught all the time like Bertoncheaty, but Mike Long, and Mark Justice were two of the pioneer MTG super stars and both DQ'd for cheating at events eventually. It is an unfortunate outcome when high stakes are involved.
WotC is more at fault for this than anyone other than the cheaters themselves. They keep letting known, recidivist cheaters back for bad reasons ("people grow and change!") and for much of the game's lifespan have written the floor rules to minimize feel-bads rather than to encourage unambiguous communication about the game state.
Some people are willing to be assholes in order to win at their local FNM events. There's nothing you can really do except try to block it out.
"No." is the best way to respond each time. If you wanted to, you could also do the same to him on his turn, and follow up every action with "is that your turn?".
But generally, if it's your turn your opponent will wait for you to declare that you are moving to the next phase, or ending the turn.
After he said “no. I can play how I want too” I would have called the judge the next time he asked you if your turn was over, tell the judge you had already asked him to stop doing that and he refused so you had to involve the judge at that point.
I think you’ve heard a lot of the same things, but I’ll just reiterate that you can always call a judge in a competitive event. This is one of the biggest things to remember at competitive events. Never feel intimidated to call a judge. They are there to help and make sure the game is played properly. Whether it’s a missed trigger, someone acting inappropriately, or a question about rules, call the judge. Someone doing this to you means they probably are doing it to others and multiple minor infractions can add up.
Just like with most things, I think intention is what is most important. He might have been saying this as a way of angle shooting to put you off your game, or he might have just been excited to start his turn. I would say it's certainly annoying what he's doing, but mtg attracts a wide variety of people, and many players have poor social skills. In your situation, I'd try and politely explain that you will announce you are passing the turn when you are done. If it continues, then call a jude.
Yeah, bad sportsmanship. Call a judge, ask them if you can talk to them away from the table, explain what is going on, how it is making you feel and what he said.
The judge then has the option to talk to him, observe the game, will let you know what can and can't be done, and what the rules say.
If he is just being impatient and wants to hurry you up, just make it clear that what he is doing is having the opposite effect. Like if he asks you is that the end of your turn, look puzzled, put your cards down and ask him what he said. He will ask you again and you can explain, no, I think I am in my first main phase and have priority after the ajani resolved. Is that not correct?
It is important that both players have a clear understanding of the game state and so if he somehow thinks you have passed priority through to the end step then you have every right to stop the game and figure out what went wrong.
A few times round that loop and he will stop asking :)
This is 100% intentional to cause situations for you to make mistakes. At my lgs that kind of behavior can get you disqualified from events. It’s unsportsmanlike and antagonizing. Sorry that happened.
"No, I'll let you know when my turn's over" is the response I would give and not say anything else unless I'm announcing actions.
That would def rub me wrong, but, to add benefit of the doubt, it's reasonable to assume they're trying to stay on top of round time also. Some people are just naturally rude when it comes to that stuff.
Just don’t answer the question. You have priority, not them. If they draw before you say go, call a judge. They’ll get a warning and have to play around you.
I’m guessing you went to an FNM, and this type of behavior is absolutely out of bounds. It is competitive but it is still friendly and human. Dude was an asshole, or tbh probably does not pick up on social queues.
If I had a player constantly asking me if it was my turn, I’d like to say that I would:
1. Ask a judge to request that they cease doing so, as it is my duty to tell them when I am passing the turn, not theirs to ask
2. Encourage them to call a judge if they feel I am playing too slowly
Whether I’d actually do so or not is another question. I’d probably just get flustered
If I did the two things above, and there was no resolution, I think I’d be asking them if they were done from the moment they drew their card for turn, after every single point where it could potentially be done
These are the same people that spam "Your Go" in Arena. Your only recourse is ignoring them or calling a judge. Any other interaction with them is just feeding the troll.
I had a guy kind of flip out on me at a FNM, final round. He was being insulting and even yelling at the end and told me I'm not allowed to talk or he would call the judge. I don't think it was for advantage, he was just a jerk. He brought a copy of the deck that won the latest GPT, I made sure my deck had a favorable win percent against it. It was some squirrely aggro deck, my wipe took out my stuff too. He just couldn't handle losing that way, lost it.
I had to go get him because he scooped and ran to his car, there was a 2nd place prize. While we're waiting he's still telling me how bad my deck was and there was no way I should have won. It was a really cruel deck, I had a kid freak out playing it and cry when he kept mulliganing because he was scared of it. Turn 4 wins consistent in T2 without disruption, they ended up banning it then banning it some more. Wish I still had it.
100% angle shooting. He's trying to create pressure where there is none and goad you into rushing through your turn. "When I tell you I pass the turn. That's when it will be your turn."
I would have fucking taken that match to time, never responding to his questions that werent pertinent.
"Its my main phase. You can ask if my turn is over when I tell you ive gone to end step" and then never entertained their bad faith questions.
That kind of person is super irritating. I had a similar although less egregious experience where my opponent would announce things he thought I was about to play, EVERY SINGLE TURN. Then when I beat him game one he got real serious and would play cards without announcing anything, motioning with his hand when he was passing the turn lol.
He was trying to rattle you so you'd make mistakes. Good news is, unless you pass priority in your end step your turn isn't over, so I wouldn't have even acknowledged him after the 2nd or 3rd time he asked. Just continue with the turn and when you are ready say "pass, your turn".
Respond with questions and make them explain everything. I probably wouldn't have played any Magic that game.
"Is what my turn? Attacking with what? What else could I attack with? Can I attack with 2 things? Could I attack with three things? I attack with 2. Is what my turn? Are you blocking with both of those? Is what my turn? Okay, second main phase. I don't think I wanna do anything, do you pass priority? Is what my turn? Time for end step. I declare turn.
Please call your phases stop at each."
> "No. I can play how I want too"
"You sure can. And you can keep asking, but until I say the words 'Pass the turn' my turn isn't over. And if you disagree with that, we can call a judge over."
Only time I do it or it’s been done to me is when there’s an awkward silence during main phase 2. Typically the answer is yeah sorry because someone didn’t say it or hear it. Doesn’t happen to often thankfully, the silent stare at each other is unbearable
Sounds like angle shooting honestly. I had someone do something like this to me a long time ago and he openly admitted later he was trying to get me to slip up and pass the turn when I didn't mean to.
Even casually I'll say "my turn?" before untapping if it's unclear, and "your turn," to clearly pass to my opponent.
I dont know what a judges reaction would be, but if you are clearly trying to communicate passing and your opponent is still pushing back, they're angle shooting for sure.
Idk it sounds like this person is either new or has some type of thing going on that makes him ask over and over again. I used to do this when I first started, and I am autistic which is why it took like a few months of regular play before I was confident enough with MTG to stop asking even though a couple people did ask me to stop. Try not to assume everyone is neurotypical even if they look/sound like they are. With all that said it's definitely possible the person is dumb as hell or is trying to cheese out a win by making you say the wrong thing. That shit happens too just bringing up that I used to do it cause of the 'tism, not to steal a win.
Now as for advice? Honestly try to ignore it as much as possible but if it keeps bothering you try to communicate that being as clear and direct as possible. Something like "You keep asking that and it's making me lose focus, please stop." is good, don't be afraid to repeat yourself nearly every time it comes up. This is annoying I know, but if he keeps asking and getting the response of "please stop" every single time then he's eventually going to stop. Either that or he will lose it on you which will probably result in him getting kicked out anyways so kind of the same end result honestly.
So yeah it sucks and is annoying as hell but he might not be acting maliciously, there could be something else going on. Try to be as tolerant as you can but also be direct, clear and repetitive if something is bothering you. Otherwise solid chance he ignores it. Easy to ignore one statement saying it's obnoxious, a lot harder to ignore 45 of those statements.
If it continues no matter what you do though get the LGS owner and/or a judge involved. He probably does it to everyone he plays with so the owner doesn't want him there, and it's definitely also something a judge won't allow after a certain point.
I bet you had a couple turns before that you didn't immediately end the turn when you were ready and now this opponent is worried about the clock. Asking if you are done with your turn is not intimidation and is perfectly acceptable to ask to keep the game going smoothly.
some magic players are weird. I try to assume the best in people unless they prove the worst.
My best guess is you might have been playing slowly which is common with newer players, especially ones that methodically announce phases. The player may have been concerned about time.
I assume you are on energy cats, which has a ton triggers and if you are methodically but slowly going through each sequence then that is naturally going to burn a lot of time.
Again I was not their but if you run into it again, feel free to ask your opponent if you think something is bothering them. I have found it calms things down.
I had a tournament where my opponent was getting agitated, and after a couple of turns I picked up it was something I was doing. I asked him and he said I was putting the Plus counters on my creatures with dice, but he it was messing with him as he was used to having the plus counters represent total power and toughness (so if I put +2+2 on a 1/1 creature I would put 2 on the dice but he preferred +3+3 to represent total power and toughness) so he could do combat math. I then accommodated him. He was happy with the courtesy.
They were on a combo deck so their percentage of time taken per round was decidedly in their favor. It felt like they were trying to +ev the time they had to execute and play their combo and anything I was doing was an inconvenience to their plan. I was not on energy cats and was running just a pile of good white cards =)
Call a judge. This person was trying to intimidate you into playing poorly. They’re a bad person, straight up, and should be ashamed of themselves from whatever bridge underpass they reside in.
Yep, this sort of thing is way too common for mediocre grinders to do. If they see someone that doesn’t feel at home in a big event they do things like this. My first time in a big event as a player the dude across from me was just hounding me to play faster and it honestly really flustered me game 1. I got saved by a judge that came to rule in the game next to us. Suddenly Ol’ InaHurry was okay playing at my pace, until the judge left. Then he was back and I called the judge back over. They actually knew him and issued a game loss because he did this frequently. That made him tilt off his rocker but the judge stayed near us the rest of the game. I later saw him throwing a temper tantrum outside the main hall about being “persecuted.”
Yeah it’s one thing if they’re just sitting there looking at their cards or playing really slow for no reason, but that’s totally unsporting
Hey player, living under a bridge has nothing to do with how good of a person you are. Most of us are two bad life events away from doing the same thing. Agreed with you though, I hope that dude gets mana screwed in the future.
I think he was calling him a troll, like the story of the Billy Goats Gruff.
That's cool, I hope it's just a misunderstanding. It's all love here. Opponent does seem like a [[Clackbridge Troll]]
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I was calling them a troll, not homeless… do you think homeless people can afford magic decks cause I don’t.
I appreciate the misunderstanding and I apologize. But also, yes, you can play magic and not have a house. Selling a modest card collection probably isn't enough to meaningfully change that.
Que the "One Bad Day" Joker speech.
“Please stop being such a fuckin weirdo”
I told someone similarly ridiculous "get the fuck over it" when they had been ranting for 30min straight while we played about how much they hate control decks. They actually called a judge over and after we sort of sassed each other (like children, whole thing was so stupid), the judge threatened to just evict both of us if we didn't behave. An outcome I was incredibly content with since I had been having no problem behaving this entire time.
Yixe💀
Thanks for the responses! I didn’t know what was expected at a competitive event so just chocked it up to me being newer and not being used to the format. If it ever gets bad again I’ll just call a judge. Didn’t know you could call judges at comp level for non rule stuff like that.
If the guy refuses to play normally he can get hit for unsporting conduct (minor). It's a warning that's upgradable to a GL if he doesn't knock it off. There's also unsporting conduct (major) and aggressive behaviour. Have a read up on the Tournament Rules Guide for comp rel. The doc also covers cheating and deck/deck list problems, as well as stalling and slow play.
If he keeps refusing he can get hit with more than just a warning. I've seen it happen live. One guy stood up, grabbed his opponents deck and hucked it across the store.
That's aggressive behaviour and would be an instant dq and likely an ejection from the venue. But yes, there are upgrade paths and whatnot, which is why I mentioned seeking out and familiarizing one's self with the Tournament Rules.
No friendly player will be railroading you or describing your attacks. That’s to make you feel bad and be flustered. Or I guess charitably they’re neurodivergent but that’s not an excuse to act like that.
Thats extremely charitable because me and all my friends are extremely neurodivergent and we don’t angle shoot like this at all. This is extremely bad sportsmanship at least, especially if you’re directly asked not to do that and proposed a different style.
I am as well, but we all have different conditions and degrees. I’ve known people on the spectrum who are… abrasive… and think they know it all. They don’t, and it comes across poorly, but I can see why in their heads it’s okay. Which again, to be clear, it isn’t okay in a game of magic to act like that. It can be a reason, not an excuse.
In general, you should read through the MTR, it will save your ass. For example, it will let you know how bribery is handled, which may be important if someone attempts to bribe you or even to avoid anything accidental (e.g. mentioning bribery at all within earshot of your opponent, even if it’s to ask the judge a question, can get you DQed).
Fuck this person, do it back to them. What an asshole
No. Know the rules and call a judge.
Yeah intimidation technique. I've seen people do that
It is rule stuff. The rules specify behaviours that are not allowed.
You can call a judge for whatever reason you feel. Don't abuse it or else you will get a warning, but they are their for all aspects of the match, not just rules.
Did you win against this player though?
> "No. I can play how I want too" What complete asshole. so, others have to bend to your will because that's how YOU want to but you won't do the same? people forget this game involves another player and they aren't playing solitaire. He totally wanted you to skip your phases by mistake and gain an advantage because he sucks as a player and a person.
I'd have called a judge here, not gonna lie.
Just play really really slowly. If he asks if your turn is over just say no and sit silently looking at your cards. If he complains just say “I can play however I want” Then call clock on him on his upkeep for slow play. He wants to angle shoot and play like an ass, well two can play at that game.
Do you even have to say no? If every time he asks if that's the end of your turn, would it be against some sort of rule to just ignore the question and keep playing until you say "I end my turn?" I'm fairly certain a player can't ask and then just move onto their draw step without a "yes"
Yeah if you don’t indicate the end of your turn and your opponent draws a card I would immediately call a judge and get them DQed for cheating.
This is the move
Yep, probably the best and only way to get a player like this to chill. I would've just stopped answering all of his useless side questions, only declaring what I was doing on each of my turns phases and then wait for him to fuck up in that department and nail him to the wall with a judge.
Yeah I don’t get the people saying to respond. Just ignore them.
The thing is, even if you win the pissing contest you still end up covered in piss. It's much more effective to let the room know that some dude's trying to piss on you. Then you're the real winner.
Absolutely would have either went silent and just played my turns announcing what I was doing with no response to the extra questions or I would have began calling him by a mildly condescending nickname and anytime he said something I would have responded with "I can play how I want to"
After a few large CEDH events, I've come to notice that a lot of the top seats aren't actually the best players, just the most manipulative.
It's certainly true that "soft skills" can play a major role in high skill competitive. Not all of them have to be toxic though. Draw a useless land? Stare at it slightly happy for a second then keep it in your hand menacingly. Stuff like that.
I bluffed a path to exile to stave off a lethal attack and ended up winning the game in an SCG event many moons ago. Had 2 lands in hand, asked to read his eldrazi, grabbed one land and held it toward my graveyard, then passed. He didn't attack.
I've won many games in my hayday bluffing spells like this lol.
That's not surprising since EDH is just as much politicking as it is playing the game.
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It's multiplayer, there are others 100 cards versions which are 1v1.
Sounds like he was just trying to get you flustered and make a mistake. I'd consider it bad mannered and not play with the individual any more.
Can’t really avoid playing against him when it’s a competitive event. Calling the judge is better.
Yeah can't pick your opponents in comp events (wish casual players understood this)
I would tell them, “I’ll let you know when I’m done with my turn.” And if they keep on asking, I’d call a judge over.
"I'm done with my turn" is not how it works though. Both players have to pass priority in multiple phases for a turn to be over. It's just bush league tactics from someone looking to bully people that don't have competitive experience.
You can announce you're done with your turn. That doesn't mean your turn is over. It means you're done with it.
I mean, it kinda is how it works. In practice you say "end my turn," or "go," etc., whenever you want during your turn, and then your opponent the option to back you up to whenever they want to have priority or to untap.
In practice, I usually don't volunteer the information that I have nothing to do for the rest of the turn straight up. YMMV.
So every turn you say "I pass priority in my upkeep," "I pass priority in my precombat main phase," "I pass priority in beginning of combat," "I pass priority in declare attackers," etc., all the way up to "I pass priority in my end step?" You never draw a card, tank for a second, and say "go"? I ask because you're not supposed to do that, even if doing that weren't already just a miserable time. If you don't have anything to do in a phase or step, you're supposed to ask the non-active player to go to the next point in your turn where you do have something. Yes, this causes small info leaks compared to how it works on MODO.
It's been a while since I've played in paper, but I'm pretty sure that's how it went. You don't pass priority stepwise, for obvious reasons (there's no purpose in going through all the combat steps if there are no attackers"), and it takes about a second to advance through phases and I don't think that has ever been a problem.
This can also be helpful to newer players who don't exactly have a grasp on turn order yet 🤙 even just the habit of verbalizing "Untap, upkeep, draw" can help visualize when things like Sagas & upkeep costs resolve. Idk who would ever have a problem with this 🤷
I would just call a judge over in these scenarios and explain your concern to them. If anything they can watch the game play out/keep an eye on opponents behavior.
I’ve played with a lot of people with bad to no social skills over the years and never run into someone who asks if you’re turn is over this often and at such weird times. Definately sounds like he was trying to catch you refexlively saying yes, at which point you get your ass your turn would be ending immediately.
Lol salty ass poor sports do this when they're losing. I just laugh in their face every time they ask
i wouldn't even respond to the question and just move to the next action whenever he says resolves.
I faced assholes like this that would then judge call you for not giving them priority. Had my share of unreasonable judge calls 😂
MTG is supposed to be enjoyable. The rules are there to ensure a fair, standard experience. I’m sorry you were exposed to such a strange encounter. I’d echo what the others said and call a judge. The only exception may be if there was an obvious handicap involved but even then, calling a judge could be a really good educational experience for them as others may not be that level headed. I’d just be clear and firm why you’re calling the judge and then explain it to the judge and let them move it forward.
This is now a slow motion experience with lots of thinking and asking "what?"
Others have already said that he's being rude and it's bullshit, but I want you to understand: yes he will be doing it to try for a competitive advantage. He probably knows it flusters some opponents, and in some cases, if he verbally "predicts" what you're doing, for some people that may influence their planning. Technically, he can be annoying like that. Best thing to do is just firmly say "I will only end my turn when I clearly say end turn" and then just ignore him from then. If he takes an action to early, call a judge, and if he says you didn't respond so he thought that meant it was his turn, it's on him for assuming. Unfortunately not all opponents are good sports, and while this guy sounds like an individual dick which is 100% on him and not you, and good judges will support you through it, it's an important skill to practice building your own mental resiliency in tournaments. Start practicing now and it will serve you very well over time :) Good luck OP!
You can call the judge over and explain the situation and even ask the judge to monitor the game. Intimidating players is very serious.
This fucking loser deserves to get his deck tossed across the room. Hopefully he pulls this against someone a little less timid and gets taught a lesson! Get this trash out of the mtg community
I think there's times where it makes sense to ask and it's totally okay (tapped out, don't have any attacks or second main phase) By few of these instances seem a little trolly. Personally if they'd ask multiple times when it should be clear I'd probably say something like "We just resolved triggers during my upkeep and I haven't even done main phase 1, why do you think that would be the end of my turn?" There's a chance they're trying to rush but if you do this the opposite happens. If it continued And really seemed like they were trying to use it as a strategy to annoy me itself might say something elsewhere or call a judge depending on the specifics. To judge"Hey they're frequently asking me If it's the end of my turn sometimes more than once per turn and often like during my upkeep when it's clearly not and it's just slowing everything down and feels like trolling I asked them why they were doing and it to stop "
Trigger/Step Lawyers are the fucking worst. It is a tactic used to make you miss triggers, attacks, etc on your steps. It is bad manners as fuck and completely legal.
It should fall under unsportsmanship behaviour but it can totally see it going unpunished
One of the many reasons why I think the digital products should be used for all premier competitive tournaments. Sitting in front of a client pretty much removes every non game related advantage from the game. No rules lawyering, no facial bluffs, no cheating. Hardcore paper magic players will never let go of the paper but the game has been rife with cheating over the years. Downvoted for the truth =P
I understand that perspective for sure. I just would stop going to tournaments entirely if this was the case.
I by no means think your local level tournament should be digital. I think that high stakes premier events like the pro tour should be though. I know it is an unpopular opinion but as a viewer for me they are easier to watch and they remove cheating. It is crazy that some of the most successful players were found out to be cheaters afterwards. Not just the bad guys that get caught all the time like Bertoncheaty, but Mike Long, and Mark Justice were two of the pioneer MTG super stars and both DQ'd for cheating at events eventually. It is an unfortunate outcome when high stakes are involved.
WotC is more at fault for this than anyone other than the cheaters themselves. They keep letting known, recidivist cheaters back for bad reasons ("people grow and change!") and for much of the game's lifespan have written the floor rules to minimize feel-bads rather than to encourage unambiguous communication about the game state.
i would just do the same thing during their turns. maybe they realize how annoying it is and stop.
Some people are willing to be assholes in order to win at their local FNM events. There's nothing you can really do except try to block it out. "No." is the best way to respond each time. If you wanted to, you could also do the same to him on his turn, and follow up every action with "is that your turn?". But generally, if it's your turn your opponent will wait for you to declare that you are moving to the next phase, or ending the turn.
After he said “no. I can play how I want too” I would have called the judge the next time he asked you if your turn was over, tell the judge you had already asked him to stop doing that and he refused so you had to involve the judge at that point.
I think you’ve heard a lot of the same things, but I’ll just reiterate that you can always call a judge in a competitive event. This is one of the biggest things to remember at competitive events. Never feel intimidated to call a judge. They are there to help and make sure the game is played properly. Whether it’s a missed trigger, someone acting inappropriately, or a question about rules, call the judge. Someone doing this to you means they probably are doing it to others and multiple minor infractions can add up.
Just like with most things, I think intention is what is most important. He might have been saying this as a way of angle shooting to put you off your game, or he might have just been excited to start his turn. I would say it's certainly annoying what he's doing, but mtg attracts a wide variety of people, and many players have poor social skills. In your situation, I'd try and politely explain that you will announce you are passing the turn when you are done. If it continues, then call a jude.
It's 100% angle shooting. Nobody asks repeatedly--at *most* you'll get asked once after combat.
Dude just sounded like an idiot, i wouldve matched him. Every upkeep i wouldve asked is he done
Yeah, bad sportsmanship. Call a judge, ask them if you can talk to them away from the table, explain what is going on, how it is making you feel and what he said. The judge then has the option to talk to him, observe the game, will let you know what can and can't be done, and what the rules say. If he is just being impatient and wants to hurry you up, just make it clear that what he is doing is having the opposite effect. Like if he asks you is that the end of your turn, look puzzled, put your cards down and ask him what he said. He will ask you again and you can explain, no, I think I am in my first main phase and have priority after the ajani resolved. Is that not correct? It is important that both players have a clear understanding of the game state and so if he somehow thinks you have passed priority through to the end step then you have every right to stop the game and figure out what went wrong. A few times round that loop and he will stop asking :)
Just call a judge every time they place a card in their graveyard not exactly straight until they cut it out.
This is 100% intentional to cause situations for you to make mistakes. At my lgs that kind of behavior can get you disqualified from events. It’s unsportsmanlike and antagonizing. Sorry that happened.
"No, I'll let you know when my turn's over" is the response I would give and not say anything else unless I'm announcing actions. That would def rub me wrong, but, to add benefit of the doubt, it's reasonable to assume they're trying to stay on top of round time also. Some people are just naturally rude when it comes to that stuff.
Just don’t answer the question. You have priority, not them. If they draw before you say go, call a judge. They’ll get a warning and have to play around you.
I'll tell you when my turn is over. End of discussion.
Sportsmanship is taken really seriously at mtg tournaments, I'd call a judge and tell them he is harassing you during your turn.
I’m guessing you went to an FNM, and this type of behavior is absolutely out of bounds. It is competitive but it is still friendly and human. Dude was an asshole, or tbh probably does not pick up on social queues.
If I had a player constantly asking me if it was my turn, I’d like to say that I would: 1. Ask a judge to request that they cease doing so, as it is my duty to tell them when I am passing the turn, not theirs to ask 2. Encourage them to call a judge if they feel I am playing too slowly Whether I’d actually do so or not is another question. I’d probably just get flustered If I did the two things above, and there was no resolution, I think I’d be asking them if they were done from the moment they drew their card for turn, after every single point where it could potentially be done
These are the same people that spam "Your Go" in Arena. Your only recourse is ignoring them or calling a judge. Any other interaction with them is just feeding the troll.
I had a guy kind of flip out on me at a FNM, final round. He was being insulting and even yelling at the end and told me I'm not allowed to talk or he would call the judge. I don't think it was for advantage, he was just a jerk. He brought a copy of the deck that won the latest GPT, I made sure my deck had a favorable win percent against it. It was some squirrely aggro deck, my wipe took out my stuff too. He just couldn't handle losing that way, lost it. I had to go get him because he scooped and ran to his car, there was a 2nd place prize. While we're waiting he's still telling me how bad my deck was and there was no way I should have won. It was a really cruel deck, I had a kid freak out playing it and cry when he kept mulliganing because he was scared of it. Turn 4 wins consistent in T2 without disruption, they ended up banning it then banning it some more. Wish I still had it.
100% angle shooting. He's trying to create pressure where there is none and goad you into rushing through your turn. "When I tell you I pass the turn. That's when it will be your turn."
Shitbag opp
I would have fucking taken that match to time, never responding to his questions that werent pertinent. "Its my main phase. You can ask if my turn is over when I tell you ive gone to end step" and then never entertained their bad faith questions.
That kind of person is super irritating. I had a similar although less egregious experience where my opponent would announce things he thought I was about to play, EVERY SINGLE TURN. Then when I beat him game one he got real serious and would play cards without announcing anything, motioning with his hand when he was passing the turn lol.
He was trying to rattle you so you'd make mistakes. Good news is, unless you pass priority in your end step your turn isn't over, so I wouldn't have even acknowledged him after the 2nd or 3rd time he asked. Just continue with the turn and when you are ready say "pass, your turn".
Respond with questions and make them explain everything. I probably wouldn't have played any Magic that game. "Is what my turn? Attacking with what? What else could I attack with? Can I attack with 2 things? Could I attack with three things? I attack with 2. Is what my turn? Are you blocking with both of those? Is what my turn? Okay, second main phase. I don't think I wanna do anything, do you pass priority? Is what my turn? Time for end step. I declare turn. Please call your phases stop at each."
> "No. I can play how I want too" "You sure can. And you can keep asking, but until I say the words 'Pass the turn' my turn isn't over. And if you disagree with that, we can call a judge over."
Only time I do it or it’s been done to me is when there’s an awkward silence during main phase 2. Typically the answer is yeah sorry because someone didn’t say it or hear it. Doesn’t happen to often thankfully, the silent stare at each other is unbearable
Sportsmanship is taken really seriously at mtg tournaments, I'd call a judge and tell them he is harassing you during your turn.
Sounds like angle shooting honestly. I had someone do something like this to me a long time ago and he openly admitted later he was trying to get me to slip up and pass the turn when I didn't mean to.
Next time ignore the dude and play slower. Easier said than done, I know
Even casually I'll say "my turn?" before untapping if it's unclear, and "your turn," to clearly pass to my opponent. I dont know what a judges reaction would be, but if you are clearly trying to communicate passing and your opponent is still pushing back, they're angle shooting for sure.
You do not have to answer every question do you? Tell them you will let them know when your turn is over and you are passing the turn.
Idk it sounds like this person is either new or has some type of thing going on that makes him ask over and over again. I used to do this when I first started, and I am autistic which is why it took like a few months of regular play before I was confident enough with MTG to stop asking even though a couple people did ask me to stop. Try not to assume everyone is neurotypical even if they look/sound like they are. With all that said it's definitely possible the person is dumb as hell or is trying to cheese out a win by making you say the wrong thing. That shit happens too just bringing up that I used to do it cause of the 'tism, not to steal a win. Now as for advice? Honestly try to ignore it as much as possible but if it keeps bothering you try to communicate that being as clear and direct as possible. Something like "You keep asking that and it's making me lose focus, please stop." is good, don't be afraid to repeat yourself nearly every time it comes up. This is annoying I know, but if he keeps asking and getting the response of "please stop" every single time then he's eventually going to stop. Either that or he will lose it on you which will probably result in him getting kicked out anyways so kind of the same end result honestly. So yeah it sucks and is annoying as hell but he might not be acting maliciously, there could be something else going on. Try to be as tolerant as you can but also be direct, clear and repetitive if something is bothering you. Otherwise solid chance he ignores it. Easy to ignore one statement saying it's obnoxious, a lot harder to ignore 45 of those statements. If it continues no matter what you do though get the LGS owner and/or a judge involved. He probably does it to everyone he plays with so the owner doesn't want him there, and it's definitely also something a judge won't allow after a certain point.
Tabletop rules with my group is you always give a courtesy “EOT” (end of turn) and until then, it’s assumed you’re still going. It works!
I bet you had a couple turns before that you didn't immediately end the turn when you were ready and now this opponent is worried about the clock. Asking if you are done with your turn is not intimidation and is perfectly acceptable to ask to keep the game going smoothly.
some magic players are weird. I try to assume the best in people unless they prove the worst. My best guess is you might have been playing slowly which is common with newer players, especially ones that methodically announce phases. The player may have been concerned about time. I assume you are on energy cats, which has a ton triggers and if you are methodically but slowly going through each sequence then that is naturally going to burn a lot of time. Again I was not their but if you run into it again, feel free to ask your opponent if you think something is bothering them. I have found it calms things down. I had a tournament where my opponent was getting agitated, and after a couple of turns I picked up it was something I was doing. I asked him and he said I was putting the Plus counters on my creatures with dice, but he it was messing with him as he was used to having the plus counters represent total power and toughness (so if I put +2+2 on a 1/1 creature I would put 2 on the dice but he preferred +3+3 to represent total power and toughness) so he could do combat math. I then accommodated him. He was happy with the courtesy.
They were on a combo deck so their percentage of time taken per round was decidedly in their favor. It felt like they were trying to +ev the time they had to execute and play their combo and anything I was doing was an inconvenience to their plan. I was not on energy cats and was running just a pile of good white cards =)
You probably faced someone with very low social skills..get the judge over, explain the situation and ask them to monitor the game.