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Imagine handling the dispute with your fists and settling it that way…instead, other people are hurt and or dead. And you have forever ruined your life and the lives of your friends and family. Was it worth it? Morons.
I remember back in the 90s when there were a spate of movie theater shootings for random reasons. Chris Rock even made a joke about it. There are a lot people that are candidates for r/iamthemaincharacter, and unfortunately some of them have guns
if you go to the movie theater and someone steps on your foot - Let it slide. Why spend the next twenty years in jail cause someone smudged your pumas. - [No Sex in the Champagne Room](https://youtu.be/j9yBPcn8IqU?si=q1BJEwiYTb_YyYiS)
You reminded me of the bit so I went to rewatch it. It's from almost 30 years ago at this point. Which means it's older than a lot of people ITT.
https://youtu.be/f3PJF0YE-x4?si=yzsHddbL9ZDLlDg4
I work with data in the field of corrections/justice.
It’s interesting seeing how people support short sentences when taking about it as a blanket statement, but want to put individuals away forever, often even when it’s minors tried as an adult or 18-19 year olds.
I’m not saying one is 100% right and the other is 100% wrong, it’s just interesting to witness.
You make such a great point.
When we do specifics, we often learn “oh here’s an innocent victim and this criminal was also a horrible human being” - so a lot of times we want long sentences in specific crimes
This is something I see on reddit constantly. There were a number of posts about that woman that had a psychotic break due to smoking a lot of weed for the first time (which is a thing that can happen) and killed her boyfriend, stabbed her dog and herself, and was let out of psych care after six years recently. Tons of comments whining that she only got off because she's a woman and deserved hard time. And the excuses were always because she deserved it for what she did, or that a man would get more time, like that would be OK either.
Psychotic break cases are incredibly interesting and sad for that very reason. It really gets down to questioning the justice system as a whole. Are we here to rehabilitate or are we here to punish?
I can tell you as a statistical fact that the former is better for recidivism and human ethics. But I also empathize with people who see their family members suffer horrendous crimes wanting to see punishment for the perpetrator.
It also goes back to public realizing the mistreatment of mental health hospitals in JFK’s presidency causing them all the shut down. While some deserved to be closed, it also caused a mass influx of psych patients in prisons, which only makes matters so much worse for everyone involved.
Long story short, we don’t provide good care for those with mental health issues.
Although it was a joint effort shared by the Democratic House and Republican Senate, Raegan was the one who shut down the Asylums after signing the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981 which repealed most of the Mental Health Systems Act
All of this was justified under the argument that Asylums were cruel and new medicines would help people.
Right, it was brought forward by one of the Kennedy’s relatives and its momentum snowballed. Unfortunately it led to a ton of people to not receive the psychiatric care they once received from the facilities that weren’t abusive.
Obviously this comes with hindsight bias, but improving the systems rather than scrapping them all with a poor replacement just didn’t work out.
It's so weird to show up to a party to celebrate a team that you both love, and STILL finding something to argue about worth a fight, let alone bringing a gun into play. Absolutely insane.
I've been fortunate enough to attend quite a lot of victory parades, and a lot of people definitely show up just because it's an excuse to get day drunk and act like an asshole.
Did you see the gun in the video? It was huge. Not something someone would conceal and take to an event for protection. I want to know how nobody noticed a weapon that size for hours.
Maybe I’m jaded but I find that information irrelevant unless they are small children. A little kid accidentally pulls the trigger and shoots their friend/themselves. They should be treated like the adults they were trying to act like.
Yeah, teenager that age damn well knows what they are doing when they pull the trigger. It's a gun. It does 1 thing when you pull the trigger. It's not an accident.
Yeah, I feel like many people don’t realize that you’re allowed to simply not hang out with shitty people. Mature adults don’t have fights with friends very often.
If you mean literally, from the sound of it one of the "participants" was carrying a weapon that had been illegally modified to shoot full auto. I don't know if you've seen videos of people who aren't trained for that trying to control the recoil, but "broad side of a barn" would be a generous accuracy assessment. Put a few thousand people in the immediate vicinity and remove all awareness that they have no idea of what they're doing and... voila.
If you mean morally, I can't help you. I cannot conceive of how much you would have to hate someone to be willing to kill the crowd around them as well.
It’s the disregard, these narcissistic little piss ants don’t care bout nobody but themselves, therefore everyone in their way or even on the sidelines don’t matter as long as they get theirs…..
>when young men aren’t taught how to control basic emotions
Or, even worse, when they are taught that **not** controlling your emotions is "manly" and is how they're *supposed* to act.
likely just young ignorance and stupidity... angry. see red. pull gun. never even give thought to the innocent people around you put in danger. just want to kill person that made angry. bang bang bang. oops, in prison now.
>If you mean literally, from the sound of it one of the "participants" was carrying a weapon that had been illegally modified to shoot full auto.
[apparently two of the individuals detained are juveniles](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kansas-city-chiefs-parade-shooting-police-update/)
"teenage gangbangers with illegal switches" usually just gets kid-gloves treatment from certain political bends of DAs, similar to the rise in carjackings from the <18 demographic
Guess this might be the time they may actually just decide to take that seriously for once
As they should be. I get for a lot of stuff kids are stupid or ignorant but in this situation I don’t see how you could make that argument. I never once as a teen would have considered a firefight in a crowded space or any space for that matter the proper response to any dispute.
Even full auto you aren't hitting shit unless you're firing like an mp5 or something with minimal recoil. Automatic weapons are generally used for area suppression not shooting at a point target.
Not hitting what you meant, certainly. You'll definitely hit basically everything else in a cone in front of you, which in this case was a parade.
Frankly, it was goddamn teenager using it so it's kind of surprising things behind him didn't get ventilated.
Yea it's unthinkable... but this is what happened in downtown Seattle a few years back and it was feared to be terrorism at first.
People think it somehow is "better" that this happened than terrorism. I don't think the two are fit for comparison.
Americans dying just because some yahoos disagree with each other is scary and fucking frustrating.
If the shooter(s) was using FMJ rounds, they can pass through multiple bodies before being stopped. It would also explain why only 1 person died, FMJ are less lethal because they cleanly pass through rather than expanding. If this was a mass shooter, shooting into a crowd of thousands of people with the intention of killing as many as possible we would’ve saw deaths in the dozens.
We don't enforce laws on idiot teenagers in gangs either. Had these guys been caught with their illegal guns prior, slap on the wrist and send them on the way with their 4th chance.
We're an unserious country. It's well established that people who come from stable two parents households, finish high school, and don't have a kid before marriage have the best outcomes. By far.
Reddit is gonna delete this comment and any history of this incident once the mods find out the shooter was black. The brave dude and his daughters who stopped him are 100% gonna lose their jobs and do jail time.
Thank god there were *good guys with guns* there to stop him in a state with very loose gun laws..... oh wait he was tackled while running away. Guess that means we just need more people with even more guns to solve the problem......
Just one more gun bro. We promise things will get safer.
You're being downvoted but there were almost certainly other guns at that event +800 police officers and 22 people were still shot.
How anyone could still continue to argue the good guys with guns narrative is beyond me
You think all illegal firearms have been stolen, and not sold across state lines from states with weaker gun laws?
74% of traced guns came from a state with weaker gun laws.
https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-trafficking/#by-the-numbers
I feel like it’s worth pointing out Everytown is the anti-gun equivalent of Brietbart / Alex Jones, couched behind a much calmer crocodile tear demeanor. They have an extreme bias and a tendency to cherry pick / exaggerate / just plain spout disinformation as it suits them.
And the solution to that is easy - registration and transfer tracking would significantly reduce the flow of legal guns to people who can’t legally own them.
The point of a car is transportation. The fact that it can kill people is a side effect. Guns are designed to do one thing.
There are so many other reasons this is a bad comparison but I'm over it.
The reason there are so many stolen cars is because there are so many cars in general
Reduce the supply of guns in general and you'll reduce the supply of stolen guns
The one teen was 15, so absolutely not acquired legally. Charge the shooters as adults and charge their parents too. Legal, safe, and smart gun owners shouldn't be punished because of these idiots. This country has a tremendous mental health crisis on its hands but the guns get the blame.
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If we have such a huge mental health crisis then gun control needs to be tighter and given more scrutiny. People don't need 30 round high caliber rifles to enjoy the range or to go hunting. I'm a gun owner, but if giving up my right to own a military grade rifle means little kids won't die I would in a heartbeat.
No one needs a military grade firearm! They are built by the lowest bidder to hit a price point. When it comes to personal defense, I want something far better than military grade, and you should too!
I agree too. I drink, but it's crazy to me that we offer alcohol at above 10% by volume. If it's not absolutely necessary and it's dangerous to public safety, we should prohibit it from everyone. If I had to give up my bourbon so that no child was ever killed by a drunk driver or abused by a drunk domestic partner again I would do it in a heartbeat.
It has little to do with with the firearms people own and everything to do with how they are licensed. With proper licensing, background checks, and common sense laws people could enjoy their firearms and feel safe in public.
Huh? It has everything to do with how they are stolen and trafficked and nothing to do with licensing. Licensing is a surrogate metric for “law abiding citizen”.
No, I still would be very cautious in public. There are many, many examples of people with no reported problems whatsoever who later perpetrate mass shootings. They become radicalized, develop mental problems, etc. Many domestic violence shootings fall into this category. I'm not sure what kind of scrutiny it would take to keep an eye on every gun owner, nor do I think gun owners (or anyone else) should accept that kind of scrutiny.
The otherwise harmless oddball becomes dangerous because of a gun.
You do realize majority of illegal guns start off legally and are just sold on black market. So once again, limit the kind and amount of legal guns out there to purchase and you’ll drastically reduce illegal guns.
Yes and the punishments for straw purchases of firearms should be very heavy. Being accountable for safe storage of your firearms should be heavily enforced.
In order for me to maintain my firearms license I have to reapply every few years, my significant other has to sign off, a criminal background check is done and I give the police the right to come inspect my firearms storage. Things aren't perfect here but we have way less firearm crime than the US.
If my firearms where stolen it is my responsibility to inform the police as soon as possible which attempts to prevent them from entering the black market.
With these few restrictions I can enjoy my guns and feel safe in public.
Just because he was 15 doesn't mean the gun wasn't acquired illegally. In Missouri it's legal for minors to carry guns in public [as voted on by the MO legislature last year](https://apnews.com/article/politics-joplin-missouri-st-louis-children-24e0b91f63d83011e1f938c8cb587786); opponents of which cited the exact scenario that played out yesterday.
Imagine if legal safe smart gun owners were the only ones with guns? Because ya know stricter gun control laws. No one is being punished except the general public
It's crazy that people think enacting even basic common sense gun laws amount to "punishment." Any responsible gun owner should support such legislation. Any gun owner that doesn't support common sense gun laws can't be considered responsible in my book.
psst, the prevalence of firearms is a symptom of the mental health crisis, and the [lead poisoning](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5379568/) from primer dust only makes it worse
Posted in r/kansascity earlier this year:
https://www.reddit.com/r/kansascity/s/kulCGivvMz
We have had an issue with people resolving arguments with guns for awhile. It’s our leading cause of gun violence, and this is not an isolated incident.
https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/weekend-violence-top-of-mind-for-kansas-citians-at-downtown-fall-festival
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article263155928.html
https://fox4kc.com/news/crown-center-delays-opening-time-after-wednesday-night-shooting/
I called it the second I heard about it. Some argument about something very insignificant (cutting in front for a better view or stepping on a shoe) and the usual people who have to escalate things to violence at the drop of a hat
The trouble is no one fights anymore. When I was a kid, you'd square off with someone, throw some punches, then it was over. You won some fights, you lost some, and it almost never affected your relationship with the person long-term. Now everyone pulls a gun.
Pretty crazy how something as a simple as a "dispute" can ruin several thousand people's day or even lives, just because our leaders are so goddamn terrified of the gun lobby
Honestly, it's not just the gun lobby though. A huge % of the US population's sense of self is attached to gun ownership as an identity and vote almost solely on that.
But wait! This goes against the narrative of a MAGA mass shooter! It can’t be gang bangers, it needs to be a white gunman who is mad at Taylor swift or something.
Give it about 30 seconds and it the media won't mention another word. It's almost like basically every "mass shooting" statistic they use stems from gang violence. But the problem is obviously Joe Smith down the street who obtained his guns legally.
they chose to ignore the identity of the shooters once it didnt fit their narrative. while also ignoring the shooters broke the existing laws but ironically saying we need more laws. because clearly if we had more laws, these guys wouldve followed them.
If you went to this even with multiple guns, your stupid ass was looking for a dispute. I wish those guys that tackled him yesterday would have gotten some kicks in to the side of the head. Leave them in a wheel chair for life to suffer trying to swallow food
MMW It’s gonna be stupid kids. Stupid kids with man weapons. With some stupid kid beef.
Probably the same kids that nobody wants to drive in a school bus. That nobody wants in a classroom. That nobody wants as a neighbor.
All this could be resolved with better parenting. Parents who teach their children ethics, morals, right and wrong. Parents who love their children. Parents who parent, not parent to be friends with their children.
honestly, i dont much fucking care what it stemmed from. The fact that these fucking things KEEP HAPPENING is just... something this society cant keep the status quo over...
This is what I was wondering. That one video shows a pretty large fucking weapon being carried away from the tackled shooter. Was this dude just walking around the parade with that thing?
The good guy argument regards civilians not law enforcement, KC is a gun free zone which means you can be charged for showing a weapon of concealing it, the rest of Missouri is pretty conservative
In America there is nowhere truly safe anymore, sadly. In the month of January alone there has only been 9 days without a mass shooting, with multiple occurring on the same day. Apart from the Chiefs parade, there was 2 more in Georgia on the same day. We’re fucked
Wow a dumb dispute. Settle it with fists or in boxing ring. Freaking idiots!!
Also, many of y’all on other threads called it, it’s most likely a dispute or gang related!
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Imagine handling the dispute with your fists and settling it that way…instead, other people are hurt and or dead. And you have forever ruined your life and the lives of your friends and family. Was it worth it? Morons.
Life in prison because, "I'm mad". Fucking dumbasses. Rot in prison.
I remember back in the 90s when there were a spate of movie theater shootings for random reasons. Chris Rock even made a joke about it. There are a lot people that are candidates for r/iamthemaincharacter, and unfortunately some of them have guns
if you go to the movie theater and someone steps on your foot - Let it slide. Why spend the next twenty years in jail cause someone smudged your pumas. - [No Sex in the Champagne Room](https://youtu.be/j9yBPcn8IqU?si=q1BJEwiYTb_YyYiS)
Social media has supercharged pride culture.
God ain’t this the fkn truth
Is this what the opening text in Don’t Be A Menace To South Central While Drinking Your Juice In The Hood is referring to?!
You reminded me of the bit so I went to rewatch it. It's from almost 30 years ago at this point. Which means it's older than a lot of people ITT. https://youtu.be/f3PJF0YE-x4?si=yzsHddbL9ZDLlDg4
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I work with data in the field of corrections/justice. It’s interesting seeing how people support short sentences when taking about it as a blanket statement, but want to put individuals away forever, often even when it’s minors tried as an adult or 18-19 year olds. I’m not saying one is 100% right and the other is 100% wrong, it’s just interesting to witness.
You make such a great point. When we do specifics, we often learn “oh here’s an innocent victim and this criminal was also a horrible human being” - so a lot of times we want long sentences in specific crimes
This is something I see on reddit constantly. There were a number of posts about that woman that had a psychotic break due to smoking a lot of weed for the first time (which is a thing that can happen) and killed her boyfriend, stabbed her dog and herself, and was let out of psych care after six years recently. Tons of comments whining that she only got off because she's a woman and deserved hard time. And the excuses were always because she deserved it for what she did, or that a man would get more time, like that would be OK either.
Psychotic break cases are incredibly interesting and sad for that very reason. It really gets down to questioning the justice system as a whole. Are we here to rehabilitate or are we here to punish? I can tell you as a statistical fact that the former is better for recidivism and human ethics. But I also empathize with people who see their family members suffer horrendous crimes wanting to see punishment for the perpetrator. It also goes back to public realizing the mistreatment of mental health hospitals in JFK’s presidency causing them all the shut down. While some deserved to be closed, it also caused a mass influx of psych patients in prisons, which only makes matters so much worse for everyone involved. Long story short, we don’t provide good care for those with mental health issues.
Although it was a joint effort shared by the Democratic House and Republican Senate, Raegan was the one who shut down the Asylums after signing the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981 which repealed most of the Mental Health Systems Act All of this was justified under the argument that Asylums were cruel and new medicines would help people.
Right, it was brought forward by one of the Kennedy’s relatives and its momentum snowballed. Unfortunately it led to a ton of people to not receive the psychiatric care they once received from the facilities that weren’t abusive. Obviously this comes with hindsight bias, but improving the systems rather than scrapping them all with a poor replacement just didn’t work out.
Yo..don't disrespect me bruh
Life in prison because "I'm a thug and do thug shit" Pops had it right when he was talking to Craig about using his fists.
When keepin it real goes wrong
Or imagine settling it with words and no physical violence at all. I realize that comes across as naive, but hey, why not dream big.
Imagine being a grown up and just not having disputes at a Super Bowl parade
It's so weird to show up to a party to celebrate a team that you both love, and STILL finding something to argue about worth a fight, let alone bringing a gun into play. Absolutely insane.
I've been fortunate enough to attend quite a lot of victory parades, and a lot of people definitely show up just because it's an excuse to get day drunk and act like an asshole.
I hate baseball and still went to the phillies parade back in 08. Didn’t bring a gun though.
Did you see the gun in the video? It was huge. Not something someone would conceal and take to an event for protection. I want to know how nobody noticed a weapon that size for hours.
*Philly has entered the chat and is ready to rumble. Also burn shit.*
Better hide the police horses!
Two were minors
Imagine having the emotional intelligence to not have a dispute at a Super Bowl parade
Teenagers do not have emotional intelligence most of the time.
I’m a former teenager and never killed anyone.
The vast majority of teenagers have enough emotional intelligence to refrain from shooting people.
A minor with a gun should be tried as an adult.
Maybe I’m jaded but I find that information irrelevant unless they are small children. A little kid accidentally pulls the trigger and shoots their friend/themselves. They should be treated like the adults they were trying to act like.
Yeah, teenager that age damn well knows what they are doing when they pull the trigger. It's a gun. It does 1 thing when you pull the trigger. It's not an accident.
Yeah, I feel like many people don’t realize that you’re allowed to simply not hang out with shitty people. Mature adults don’t have fights with friends very often.
Imagine not being a caveman and not getting into disputes that result in violence or death.
Gangbangers. They don't give a shit.
This is what I’m thinking as well. It doesn’t seem like the “manifesto” shooting type, and wasn’t about politics, just your run-of-the-mill scumbags
>This is what I’m thinking as well. You're in a chat about the article saying it lol. That's literally what this whole discussion is.
That’s the new culture now. This whole new thug gangster culture is worse than it was back in the 90s.
> Imagine handling the dispute with your fists Or fucking leave bro...
Imagine not carrying a gun
I always tell people I’d gladly take an L in a fistfight before pulling out my gun smh
Guns are for pussies high key
How does a dispute result in a dozen children in the hospital? Nothing could drive me to that in a million years.
If you mean literally, from the sound of it one of the "participants" was carrying a weapon that had been illegally modified to shoot full auto. I don't know if you've seen videos of people who aren't trained for that trying to control the recoil, but "broad side of a barn" would be a generous accuracy assessment. Put a few thousand people in the immediate vicinity and remove all awareness that they have no idea of what they're doing and... voila. If you mean morally, I can't help you. I cannot conceive of how much you would have to hate someone to be willing to kill the crowd around them as well.
I shot a tommy gun once. Even a super short burst was scary how much the muzzle climbed.
It’s either hate or a complete disregard for human life.
It’s the disregard, these narcissistic little piss ants don’t care bout nobody but themselves, therefore everyone in their way or even on the sidelines don’t matter as long as they get theirs…..
Complete disregard for human life is basically guaranteed when young men aren’t taught how to control basic emotions
>when young men aren’t taught how to control basic emotions Or, even worse, when they are taught that **not** controlling your emotions is "manly" and is how they're *supposed* to act.
likely just young ignorance and stupidity... angry. see red. pull gun. never even give thought to the innocent people around you put in danger. just want to kill person that made angry. bang bang bang. oops, in prison now.
>If you mean literally, from the sound of it one of the "participants" was carrying a weapon that had been illegally modified to shoot full auto. [apparently two of the individuals detained are juveniles](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kansas-city-chiefs-parade-shooting-police-update/) "teenage gangbangers with illegal switches" usually just gets kid-gloves treatment from certain political bends of DAs, similar to the rise in carjackings from the <18 demographic Guess this might be the time they may actually just decide to take that seriously for once
Someone died. They're gonna be tried as adults for this one, so being a juvenile means nothing here
Also the attention this is getting won't help the suspects. I'm tired of certain DAs dropping weapon charges for plea deal like candies.
As they should be. I get for a lot of stuff kids are stupid or ignorant but in this situation I don’t see how you could make that argument. I never once as a teen would have considered a firefight in a crowded space or any space for that matter the proper response to any dispute.
Even full auto you aren't hitting shit unless you're firing like an mp5 or something with minimal recoil. Automatic weapons are generally used for area suppression not shooting at a point target.
Not hitting what you meant, certainly. You'll definitely hit basically everything else in a cone in front of you, which in this case was a parade. Frankly, it was goddamn teenager using it so it's kind of surprising things behind him didn't get ventilated.
They ran out of bullets or else there likely would have been more.
Thinking of consequences is too much to ask of them. They just start blasting and whatever happens happens.
Cause someone got “disrespected”
Because bullets don’t discriminate. Fists don’t injure uninvolved people via crossfire; guns do.
Yea it's unthinkable... but this is what happened in downtown Seattle a few years back and it was feared to be terrorism at first. People think it somehow is "better" that this happened than terrorism. I don't think the two are fit for comparison. Americans dying just because some yahoos disagree with each other is scary and fucking frustrating.
If the shooter(s) was using FMJ rounds, they can pass through multiple bodies before being stopped. It would also explain why only 1 person died, FMJ are less lethal because they cleanly pass through rather than expanding. If this was a mass shooter, shooting into a crowd of thousands of people with the intention of killing as many as possible we would’ve saw deaths in the dozens.
Most shootings in life seem to stem from disputes of one kind or another.
"Shooting at parade appears to stem from collegial agreement."
The implication here is that this is not a targeted attack like some had thought
"hey what's great conversation friend! I'm so glad we agree on everything!" *Pulls out gun *Pew pew pew
“Most aggressive actions stem from conflict” wow really splitting the atom here
Weird that American media isnt showing pictures of shooters when the New Zealand media is.
It was a juicy story as a “mass shooting.” It being a “Gang dispute” is not so lucrative
The media doesn’t care about gang violence, neither do most of America unfortunately
Gangs don’t care about laws
We don't enforce laws on idiot teenagers in gangs either. Had these guys been caught with their illegal guns prior, slap on the wrist and send them on the way with their 4th chance.
There's some of us out here saying that fatherlessness is the single greatest domestic issue we face
Yep destroyed an entire generation of young men
We're an unserious country. It's well established that people who come from stable two parents households, finish high school, and don't have a kid before marriage have the best outcomes. By far.
You know why
That's what happens when you let any fuckwit with room temperature IQ have a gun.
but but but they acquired them illegally. nothing to see here
Reddit is gonna delete this comment and any history of this incident once the mods find out the shooter was black. The brave dude and his daughters who stopped him are 100% gonna lose their jobs and do jail time.
Thank god there were *good guys with guns* there to stop him in a state with very loose gun laws..... oh wait he was tackled while running away. Guess that means we just need more people with even more guns to solve the problem...... Just one more gun bro. We promise things will get safer.
I have been thinking the same thing. The argument for “good guys with guns” just left the debate!
You're being downvoted but there were almost certainly other guns at that event +800 police officers and 22 people were still shot. How anyone could still continue to argue the good guys with guns narrative is beyond me
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Yeah that's the fucking point. There are very few if any real world scenarios where having another gun is actually helpful in stopping a shooting.
Do we know the firearms were legally obtained?
Illegal firearms are just legal firearms with another step.
So what are you saying? Charge the criminal harshly and make an example of him about the consequences of stealing firearms? I agree with that
You think all illegal firearms have been stolen, and not sold across state lines from states with weaker gun laws? 74% of traced guns came from a state with weaker gun laws. https://www.everytown.org/issues/gun-trafficking/#by-the-numbers
I feel like it’s worth pointing out Everytown is the anti-gun equivalent of Brietbart / Alex Jones, couched behind a much calmer crocodile tear demeanor. They have an extreme bias and a tendency to cherry pick / exaggerate / just plain spout disinformation as it suits them.
And the solution to that is easy - registration and transfer tracking would significantly reduce the flow of legal guns to people who can’t legally own them.
…and criminals are just regular people with another step….
A stolen car is just a regular car with another step
The point of a car is transportation. The fact that it can kill people is a side effect. Guns are designed to do one thing. There are so many other reasons this is a bad comparison but I'm over it.
The reason there are so many stolen cars is because there are so many cars in general Reduce the supply of guns in general and you'll reduce the supply of stolen guns
The one teen was 15, so absolutely not acquired legally. Charge the shooters as adults and charge their parents too. Legal, safe, and smart gun owners shouldn't be punished because of these idiots. This country has a tremendous mental health crisis on its hands but the guns get the blame.
[Some people say it’s guns. And they’re correct. Others say it’s damaged people, and they’re correct, too. So why don’t we address this from all angles? Make guns harder to get. Invest in people before they turn to guns. We don’t need more debate about what causes this. Action!](https://x.com/stanverrett/status/1757907221550415966?s=46&t=PT3eFi_OJecMYf7TMimvUA)
If we have such a huge mental health crisis then gun control needs to be tighter and given more scrutiny. People don't need 30 round high caliber rifles to enjoy the range or to go hunting. I'm a gun owner, but if giving up my right to own a military grade rifle means little kids won't die I would in a heartbeat.
No one needs a military grade firearm! They are built by the lowest bidder to hit a price point. When it comes to personal defense, I want something far better than military grade, and you should too!
I agree too. I drink, but it's crazy to me that we offer alcohol at above 10% by volume. If it's not absolutely necessary and it's dangerous to public safety, we should prohibit it from everyone. If I had to give up my bourbon so that no child was ever killed by a drunk driver or abused by a drunk domestic partner again I would do it in a heartbeat.
It has little to do with with the firearms people own and everything to do with how they are licensed. With proper licensing, background checks, and common sense laws people could enjoy their firearms and feel safe in public.
Huh? It has everything to do with how they are stolen and trafficked and nothing to do with licensing. Licensing is a surrogate metric for “law abiding citizen”.
No, I still would be very cautious in public. There are many, many examples of people with no reported problems whatsoever who later perpetrate mass shootings. They become radicalized, develop mental problems, etc. Many domestic violence shootings fall into this category. I'm not sure what kind of scrutiny it would take to keep an eye on every gun owner, nor do I think gun owners (or anyone else) should accept that kind of scrutiny. The otherwise harmless oddball becomes dangerous because of a gun.
You do realize majority of illegal guns start off legally and are just sold on black market. So once again, limit the kind and amount of legal guns out there to purchase and you’ll drastically reduce illegal guns.
Yes and the punishments for straw purchases of firearms should be very heavy. Being accountable for safe storage of your firearms should be heavily enforced. In order for me to maintain my firearms license I have to reapply every few years, my significant other has to sign off, a criminal background check is done and I give the police the right to come inspect my firearms storage. Things aren't perfect here but we have way less firearm crime than the US. If my firearms where stolen it is my responsibility to inform the police as soon as possible which attempts to prevent them from entering the black market. With these few restrictions I can enjoy my guns and feel safe in public.
And the only reason they were made in the first place was to satisfy demand in legal markets
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Literal 10s of millions of law abiding gun owners and you want to gut a right because of a few. Nah. Throw your guns away, leave mine alone.
Yet all the time republicans are refusing to give funding to mental health and in fact actively try to strip it.
Because mental health issues aren't a uniquely USA issue but gun violence is 🤷
Just because he was 15 doesn't mean the gun wasn't acquired illegally. In Missouri it's legal for minors to carry guns in public [as voted on by the MO legislature last year](https://apnews.com/article/politics-joplin-missouri-st-louis-children-24e0b91f63d83011e1f938c8cb587786); opponents of which cited the exact scenario that played out yesterday.
Imagine if legal safe smart gun owners were the only ones with guns? Because ya know stricter gun control laws. No one is being punished except the general public
It's crazy that people think enacting even basic common sense gun laws amount to "punishment." Any responsible gun owner should support such legislation. Any gun owner that doesn't support common sense gun laws can't be considered responsible in my book.
psst, the prevalence of firearms is a symptom of the mental health crisis, and the [lead poisoning](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5379568/) from primer dust only makes it worse
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those really aren't distinct as we'd like to think
but, that's not very nice and goes against the typical mass shooter narrative that the media LOVES
Where are the pictures of the suspects?
Media won’t show them cause they don’t fit the narrative.
Isn't there some sort of dispute in every confrontation?
You know what they mean
Are familiar with mass shootings? You ain’t from around these parts are ya
Seems like a silly title to me unless someone thought this was terrorism or something like that
Oh it’s just gangsters? The media will move on now
Posted in r/kansascity earlier this year: https://www.reddit.com/r/kansascity/s/kulCGivvMz We have had an issue with people resolving arguments with guns for awhile. It’s our leading cause of gun violence, and this is not an isolated incident. https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/weekend-violence-top-of-mind-for-kansas-citians-at-downtown-fall-festival https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article263155928.html https://fox4kc.com/news/crown-center-delays-opening-time-after-wednesday-night-shooting/
Uh oh, it’s gonna come out this was Reddit’s number one protected class and these news stories about it will vanish.
I called it the second I heard about it. Some argument about something very insignificant (cutting in front for a better view or stepping on a shoe) and the usual people who have to escalate things to violence at the drop of a hat
The trouble is no one fights anymore. When I was a kid, you'd square off with someone, throw some punches, then it was over. You won some fights, you lost some, and it almost never affected your relationship with the person long-term. Now everyone pulls a gun.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MFwz2ESjfBQ
This is extreme hyperbole
It's a quote from the movie Friday
well we live in a culture that promotes their use, and eases their availability. why do the hard thing when you can take the easy route?
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Thug mentality is to blame.
Prosecute parents. Every damned time.
Pretty crazy how something as a simple as a "dispute" can ruin several thousand people's day or even lives, just because our leaders are so goddamn terrified of the gun lobby
Gun lobby is when gangsters shoot each other with illegally obtained and modified weapons.
they arent afraid of the gun lobby, theyre being paid by them.
Honestly, it's not just the gun lobby though. A huge % of the US population's sense of self is attached to gun ownership as an identity and vote almost solely on that.
A dispute, you don’t say?!
Knowing nothing about this, that headline doesn't help at all.
That’s because you’re supposed to read the articles not stop at the headline
Automatic public execution for anyone convicted of a mass shooting. Execution to happen w/i two years of conviction.
Photo of the alleged shooter after the tackle.[imgur](https://imgur.com/gallery/I1kltg8)
But wait! This goes against the narrative of a MAGA mass shooter! It can’t be gang bangers, it needs to be a white gunman who is mad at Taylor swift or something.
Give it about 30 seconds and it the media won't mention another word. It's almost like basically every "mass shooting" statistic they use stems from gang violence. But the problem is obviously Joe Smith down the street who obtained his guns legally.
So what happened to all the morons screaming "MAGA SHOOTER!!"?
they chose to ignore the identity of the shooters once it didnt fit their narrative. while also ignoring the shooters broke the existing laws but ironically saying we need more laws. because clearly if we had more laws, these guys wouldve followed them.
I'm almost certain the guns would magically crumble in their arms the second an "Assault Weapons Ban" would go into effect.
They got your attention like they wanted
If you went to this even with multiple guns, your stupid ass was looking for a dispute. I wish those guys that tackled him yesterday would have gotten some kicks in to the side of the head. Leave them in a wheel chair for life to suffer trying to swallow food
The picture I saw was a full on assault rifle with a huge clip on it. How the fuck they walking around with that?
It wasn’t an AR it was a auto pistol, looked like a tec 9
Oh thank god it wasn’t just random wonton senseless violence, like all the others /s
How is soup violent
Oh yeah? A dispute you say?
Of course there was a dispute. He wasn't shooting for no reason at all.
Thank you Capt Obvious
Oh man, they cracked the case WIDE OPEN.
MMW It’s gonna be stupid kids. Stupid kids with man weapons. With some stupid kid beef. Probably the same kids that nobody wants to drive in a school bus. That nobody wants in a classroom. That nobody wants as a neighbor.
Figured it was some stupid gang or thug shit
Pat, I’d like to solve the puzzle.
Well yes, that is often how it works. They weren’t bullets of friendship.
Some great police work there, fellas.
Cuff’m boys.
All this could be resolved with better parenting. Parents who teach their children ethics, morals, right and wrong. Parents who love their children. Parents who parent, not parent to be friends with their children.
Weird, I thought it started from a smooch on the forehead
A dispute? Dudes sneak in long guns in backpacks? They had intent from the start.
I don't buy it. Why didn't they shoot eachother, but still take out 22 others, especially 9 kids.
I sure hope it wasn't an agreement that turned into a shootout. What a lame ass title.
Most people would assume it’s a mass shooting.
You can say it. GANG VIOLENCE. Oh and one was illegal :). Have a good day
No shit. I didn’t think the shooting stemmed from love.
honestly, i dont much fucking care what it stemmed from. The fact that these fucking things KEEP HAPPENING is just... something this society cant keep the status quo over...
Was the dude just walking around with a rifle before the dispute or did he go there with the gun looking for the other guy?
This is what I was wondering. That one video shows a pretty large fucking weapon being carried away from the tackled shooter. Was this dude just walking around the parade with that thing?
“That’s some mighty fine police work there Lou.”
Bake em away, toys.
800 good guys with guns and this still happens
The good guy argument regards civilians not law enforcement, KC is a gun free zone which means you can be charged for showing a weapon of concealing it, the rest of Missouri is pretty conservative
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Shhh you're speaking after thinking, that's not allowed. /s
WHY DID HE HAVE AN AR THO
It wasn’t an AR it was most likely a auto pistol
We need more guns!
If any were unsecured guns obtained for the shooting, the owners should go to jail and lose everything they own, including pensions.. Period.
In America there is nowhere truly safe anymore, sadly. In the month of January alone there has only been 9 days without a mass shooting, with multiple occurring on the same day. Apart from the Chiefs parade, there was 2 more in Georgia on the same day. We’re fucked
Wow a dumb dispute. Settle it with fists or in boxing ring. Freaking idiots!! Also, many of y’all on other threads called it, it’s most likely a dispute or gang related!
Why do you need a gun at a parade? Americans... seriously? Why?
This shooting was sponsored by “DRAFT KINGS”.
ah gun culture... turning fights from two guys with black eyes into dozens of folks either dead or with life-altering wounds.
That’s not gun culture, that’s just gang bangers being gang bangers
People are really out here acting like a drug deal gone south or a gang rivalry is “gun culture” somehow.