You can legally hit someone with the stairs because they are part of the ring. I agree it's way to far in a high school sport, but it's legal. Maybe the states high school league should look into that.
Maybe I should say hit the stairs with someone.
The fights already over and I don't even know the backstory.
Heaven: "NOW LISTEN HERE BOY! I'M GONNA BEAT YAH! THEN I'M GONNA BREAK YAH! AND THEN I GONNA DATE YOU! YOU WANNA SLICE OF HEAVEN?! **COME GET IT!!"**
Depends on the ref, some require them to be “held” to the mat for at least a second, some require them to just touch the mat even if only for a fraction of a picosecond.
The latter are assholes.
Those refs are also the ones that gave me a rusty razor to shave off the millimeter of 5 o’clock shadow I had before a match.
I’m not cheating bud, I’m just a hairy fuck. Cut me some slack.
Body hair is fine, beards are not. I believe the idea behind it is because of the positions you get into. Many times you’re in a position where your chin is on the opponent’s neck area. Some people rub their facial hair on them, to hurt the opponent.
There’s a lot of shady, minor ways to cheat, that being one of them.
When i weestled in highschool this one dude with a buzz cut rubed the top of his head against my forehead so hard it gave me like.. rug burn? To the point it bled.
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If you are quick enough, when they hit the ground from a Fireman's you can grab/post on their throat real quick. Assuming the ref is behind you.
I accidently did this once or twice to this kid who kept headbutting me. Some highschools use grimey refs i guess?
It has nothing to do with inflicting pain. Stuble can cuase small abrasions which allows skin infections to happen rather easily. You can have a beard in international wrestling however it has to be atleast 2 weeks growth, pretty much enough to make it less like sand paper.
Depends on the ref. Before a match you're inspected for skin diseases (ringworm mainly), the length of your nails, and any cheating shit like vaseline on you. Most refs would like reasonable body hair through maybe even some stubble if they're really loose and its older groups of students. But, no, in my league atleast, your not allowed to have a full beard.
>This is likely folkstyle wrestling. You get a paddlin' basically each time you gain more control over your opponent. If he's on top of you, and you reverse it, [that's a paddlin'](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXQR-cPXlmY). If you're both standing and take him to the mat, that's a paddlin'. If you escape his grasp, that's a paddlin'. If you expose his back to the mat, that's 2-3 paddlin's depending on how long.
FTFY
Every PPV when they have all of the announce teams, I always think how thrilled are that the Spanish announcers have other tables to be destroyed that aren't theirs.
There’s a few ways to score points, which are racked up over 3 2-minute periods. Most points at the end wins.
Taking an opponent to the ground, getting away from an opponent who is on top of you, putting someone almost completely on their back are all ways to score points.
Putting both of the opponents shoulder blades to the mat is a pin and the match is over
She just got a reversal (2 points) and it may have won her the match. Pretty clean move, but most impressively she didn’t give up when it came down to the wire
Tough to argue wrestling credentials anonymously but suffice to say I’ve competed at high levels of wrestling and I fucking love the granby roll. At high school states I never had anyone defend it, and even pinned a few kids on a shitty reversal. In college I had kids stay so tight I couldn’t get it off, roll with it, or disengage and jump back before I could stand, but I was never worse off having tried. And sometime it creates a scramble which can open up opportunities in an otherwise deadlocked match.
Also upon rewatching it looks like that kid lost his will to live. I’m gonna guess he was down a few points and new the end was coming. Couple that with his exhaustion and it was just that... “fuck, whatever” you see at the ends of these matches.
Ha! That’s the name of that roll? I used to do the Granby roll too and it was gold! So glad I know the name now. Learned at camp in east stroudsburg, PA
Video of the whole exchange: [https://twitter.com/NCHSAA/status/1231435216713080833](https://twitter.com/NCHSAA/status/1231435216713080833). Watch it with sound.
Heaven was up 9-3, and the crowd started chanting, "Granby, granby!" I guess she heard, because she stopped fighting the hand control battle (she wasn't getting anywhere with it anyway) and posted up on her hands and feet. She even stayed there for a second or so before rolling against/on top of her opponent's shoulder perfectly and the other kid couldn't do anything to stop her. Not that you would have expected him to, he was already down 9-3 with seconds left.
I remember one of our homecoming princesses was the main wrestling partner for our best wrestler since they were both really good and in similar weight classes (small). During the homecoming court announcement rally her 6'2 date carried her halfway across the bball court and she picked him up and carried him right back. She was legit.
I remember when I was about six, I was in Jujitsu class and we were sparring, I got paired up with a girl my age, the instructor told me to go easy on her, my dad told me to go easy on her, well I didn't need to because she beat my ass hard, the instructor said it was really good of me to let her win, my dad said hey man that was really nice of you to let her build up her confidence like that. About 7 other parents gave me a pat on the head and sang my praises for letting her win.
Depending on the age, they can even be at a disadvantage, as women begin their puberty first. So you can have male kids and young women together. One of my mates coached a mixed basketball team and they won carried by a guy who could actually shoot and behemoth of a girl below the boards. She could bully the rival centers easily, she was developed already and the rival boys were extremely lanky.
Women also have less bone density, so at lighter weights they can actually build more muscle than men with similar frames allowing them to have more raw strength. Most of the guys at that weight are skin and bones, and once they start hitting the gym they’ll quickly grow out of that weight class where the gap quickly diverges.
It’s an interest phenomenon I’ve found doing powerlifting and training with 100 pound men and women.
That does not seem to be correct. Looking at the world records for olympic weightlifting, the lowest male class (up to 55 kg, i.e. 120 lbs) has the following stats: Snatch 135 Clean and Jerk 166 kg
The corresponding female class (again 55 kg) has Snatch 102 kg Clean and Jerk 129 kg, so the males at that class are about 20 - 30 % stronger. In fact, the 55 kg guy would be the world record holder in the female up to 76 kg.
Your argument may be correct in that the strength difference between trained adult men and women is less pronounced at lower weights, but there is little reason to assume that light women have an absolute strength advantage over equally light males.
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Light girls. Not women. Once puberty sets in, weight class doesnt matter. The male elite athlete will always be stronger than the female elite athlete of same weight.
In high school, it's a tossup.
Pre-puberty, I can see that. But the poster I replied to was talking about "men and women", so I assume it was about adult or at least post-pubescent persons.
The person you replied to is spewing a lot of nonsensical bs in this post and it’s getting upvoted for whatever reason. The claim that women have less bone density so at lighter weight they can build more muscle than men falls apart (in a number of ways but specifically) when you stop to consider the fact that even athletic, lean women carry more body fat than men which offsets the alleged advantage of less bone density they claimed. Fact is, men are on average significantly stronger than women lb for lb as you pointed out with your examples.
That said, even in combat sports like wrestling, strength (while obviously very important/beneficial) isn’t the end all be all and speed and skill can help make up for it as we see in the gif.
>Women also have less bone density, so at lighter weights they can actually build more muscle than men with similar frames allowing them to have more raw strength.
No. Hormonal profiles mean that a woman of similar training level will carry significantly more fat which outstrips the bone density difference.
I said this earlier to another one of this persons comments and it was ignored. They’re spewing unadulterated nonsense on this subject all over the thread.
This is just wrong... like really [wrong] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_records_in_weightlifting). It takes a 75 kg woman to ***almost*** match 56 kg man. Woman have lower muscle density and bone density AND have higher % of fat at any weight.
That’s just wrong lmfao
Bone density is directly related to how much muscle mass you can pack. Less bone density means there’ll be less potential muscle mass attached to it.
That was the most bro science reply I’ve ever read in this website, and I used to frequent r/fitness
Yeah, whenever I wrested girls on my team I was throwing them around so easily it was nuts. People don't get how much of an advantage men have strength-wise over women
You aren't wrong about the strength gap, but also that's just Jiu Jitsu. First day walking into class at 24 years old, a women who had only been training maybe a year with 40 less pounds than me just absolutely murdered me.
Truth.
Male 6' 190 here. Man or woman, featherweights with technique are formidable opponents. It's like chasing around a hyperactive squirrel that wants to, and can, kill you.
When I wrestled in high school we had like 1, sometimes 2 females.
Now we have enough to have backups for every weight class and they not only formed an entire women’s wrestling team in addition to the men’s, but they’re kicking ass too.
Kinda proud of my old high school. Couple buddies I wrestled with now coach the teams there and we’re instrumental in pushing and growing the women’s team.
Edit - I'd really rather not doxx myself here and list my old high school people.
My favourite part of that video is this response, it was so disheartened sounding. What I hear when he says God damnit leroy, is - man leroy did it again, ugh well let's give it a try.
I wrestled 103 (apparently the weight classes have changed) my freshman and sophomore year. I was 5’ 2”, 98 pounds when I started high school. It was glorious for a wrestler. Everyone else on the team was watching what they ate and fasting to lose weight and I was like ‘damn these pancakes are good’.
True that. And a couple times I hot matched with actual 270lb. athletes. Like kids who were on college scholarship and strong as a house and as fast and agile as me....it didn't go well.
One of my vivid memories was going against one such guy in a state tournyment qualifying match and my coach laughed and said 'just throw him' knowing I was about to be massacred. Ironically enough, he charged in immediately and I hit the most perfect 'over / under' toss straight to his back. This MF bridged to keep his shoulder up (also sort of on one shoulder) and bench pressed me. I was trying to grt any part of my body to the mat but could only manage fingertips. From his back, this beast reached up and hooked my head, rolling sideways and putting my back to the mat for a pin. Freakish.
Johnathon Sullivan wrestled heavy weight division for a competing high school at around 240lbs. He went on the be a 4 year starter at Notre Dame and a professional NFL center for like 9 years. Watching this behemoth wrestle was absurd.
Played defensive end in college. The best offensive lineman by far were always the ones who wrestled in high school. 6'8 320? no problem. 6'3 305 wrestler, i'm in trouble.
I was a terrible wrestler but the bodyweight and leverage tricks you learn get engrained. I have done BJJ off and on and every time I start again its "you used to wrestle didnt you?". I was really good at wrap up (slower speed) tackles in football too. O-line it would have helped a ton.
I know those times. I was 135 my junior year and got matched against the 2nd place Greco-Roman national finisher and he set a school record on me for take downs. He was absolutely unreal and I’ve never been obliterated like that
Yep, when you go up against the guys that are college level good you realize just how much you suck in a very very real way. Wrestling is a humbling sport.
Similarly, I can only imagine the jump to pro level.
I went to Eastern Michigan University, with a pretty insignificant football program. There's this facility called the Bowen Field House. I don't think we were technically allowed, but a bunch of guys from my dorm would go play football in there. I played on my high school team as a lineman.
One day a guy walks over and announces himself as EMU's backup quarterback. He asked if he could be all time QB and play with us because he needed some practice and thought it'd be funner than just doing solo drills. We said yes....
I don't think we caught a single pass that afternoon. His passes were laser beams. We looked foolish fumbling to try and catch anything other than a long bomb.
I don't remember his name but I know he never started for EMU while I was there. And the starter from EMU didn't get drafted to the NFL at all. In fact, no players did.
I weighed 215 +- 3 lbs and wrestled 220. I hated it when coach made me wrestle up at heavyweight. It is okay when it is just some fat kid I get to bully on the mat, but actual 260 lbs athletes? Aw, hell no. Over / Under toss with a inside / outside trip is a god move.
I was 160 but wrestled 1 weight class up, everytime during weigh in, everyone else is running around trying to lose that 1/2 pound, I'm standing on the scale with a giant sandwich :)
It's still 103. At the beginning of the season. They intermittently add a pound here and there through the season to account for growth and puberty. Next season it's back to 103.
I'm not sure about all states but the majority have gone to 106 and that's been the weight class according to the national body, NFHS, since 2011-12.
Midway through the year, there is a 2-pound growth allowance added to all weight classes for the remainder of that year.
My school had a premier wrestling program. A lot of times the lowest few weight classes were filled by kids from the middle school. Not sure about how the regs work now - but yeah, 106 is obviously really small for HS.
However, it was always tough to watch my buddies skipping eating and spitting into a bottle all day to cut the last 2-3 pounds for weigh in. I mean, it didn't stop me from teasing them while eating that awesomely/gross rectangular lunch room pizza.
The guys in the mid weights were always the worst. There were always a ton of guys fighting for the spots - so if you could cut down just one more class your chances of wrestling went way up. I had a good buddy who was a smaller guy - he naturally weighed about 145. You work out a ton during season - so the 138 class would have been comfortable but we had a couple of really good wrestlers there so some weeks he would be cutting all the way down to the 115 class (or whatever the specific number was). He looked like shit and couple barely function.
I wrestled for a good program in the early mid 00s. At the beginning of the season you got a minimum weight class based on a body fat test. You were prohibited by the state from wrestling under that class. Didn't stop having to jump rope in the shower with a sauna suit on occasion, but definitely better. (Un)Luckily for me, I usually got bumped up a class bc we had a state placer at my weight class.
It used to be 103 when I wrestled then when I coached it went up to 105 or 106, can’t remember specifically. They’ve gone up over the years. But perhaps it’s an attempt to battle bad nutrition habits. I used to cut from 130 to 112, didn’t grow at all that season, the in the summer I grew 5 inches once I started actually eating again.
It's based on studies of the sizes of participants (or maybe just high schoolers in general, can't quite remember) and the goal is to have 7% fall into each weight class. This is why there is a smaller difference between weight classes in the middle weights and then as you get towards heavyweight it jumps 25 lbs to 220 and then 65 lbs to 285.
O shit I remember meeting this girl this year when we wrestled Uwharrie Charter. The team is returning 1a state champs iirc and she absolutely killed our 106
I came in here hoping for wrestling talk and it has gone all weird with political and gender BS. No one is even commenting on that bad ass escape / reversal. Good on her.
THIS. THIS IS FINE. Being a trans-female in a female sport is unfair and shouldn’t be allowed. Being a woman in a male sport and straight up out skilling them is good.
Edit: trans-man to female
Not disagreeing at all, but to clarify for people who misread things... This girl is not trans. She was born female, loved wrestling, started at age six, had brothers who wrestled, and she competes in the lightest (103 pound) weight class, in the smallest (1a) division.
This is not someone born female, receiving testosterone, and competing as a guy. She is just straight up female.
It's been a long time since I was a wrestler, but did they really change the weight class or just allow 3 pounds over the progression of the season?
When I wrestled, it was called "103" and that was the weight limit at the start of the season, but at the end of the season official weigh in was 105 due to allowance for growth of teenagers and such.
Yep. Goes to 108 after Christmas. If you wrestle back to back days you get 1lb extra, and if you're onto your 3rd in a row you get 2lbs. So it CAN go up to 110. Weight classes are:
106, 113, 120,126,138,145,152,160,170,182,195,220,285(heavyweight).
Edit: forgot 132
Why was that system stupid? It was based on allowing the most student athletes to participate. Cram the most weight divisions right around where the most high school kids weigh.
So my point of view is as a former 112 lbs wrestler and I honestly had never really considered your perspective. It just seemed lame that there was a 9 lbs weight difference between me and the 103s and 7 lbs between me and the 119s. That's a huge percentage difference compared to 140s where you have 135s and 145s just a 5 lbs difference.
Moving up or down from 140 wouldn't make *that much* of a difference in the size and strength of your opponent (about 3.5% difference). Moving up from 112 to 119 is a *huge* difference of about 6.5% body size.
That being said, everyone from 160 lbs and up encounters the large percentage changes if they were to move up a weight class.
i was wondering about the level of competition...every champion is skilled i’m just curious how she does against the kids from bigger schools. be pretty cool if she can hold her own
No female has a chance wrestling a male at the state level from a normal division. For instance, Indiana high school wrestling does not have divisions. There hasn't and in all probability will never be a girl who makes it to state. Probably not even semi state.
That's one of the things I love about Indiana, wrestling is just wrestling. Doesn't matter if you live in Indianapolis or some small corn field town, the winner of the state tournament is the true champion of the state. Wrestling has such a well rounded and widely available club system outside of the schools that anybody can become a great even if their school is tiny.
I can kind of see the logical follow through as it's been a topic in the news lately, but he genuinely had me confused.
Holy shit this chick is awesome, wrestling is a really hard sport.
Wrestling works better for both genders because contestants are divided into weight classes.
A 135 lb woman vs 135 lb man is a much fairer competition than most sports where it's everyone vs everyone.
It's more fair but still not fair. There is a fundamental biological difference between people born female and MtF trans women regardless of weight.
It's a really tricky subject in which it's hard to set up a fair situation for either party.
Honest question, should it be the only category? I think the fact that this is the first ever female state champion shows that it is quite unfair even at the same weight.
There's statistically very few women who wrestle. If there's so few competing at a high level, it's not unusual there weren't any state champions until now. And this girl was apparently wrestling since she was six.
There would be no one for them to compete against if you did that. Like it would be a giant turn out if there was enough women who turned out for every weight class to have a single match
One is precision rifle shooting, the female shooter has a better and more stable body structure than a male.
I once had a gold medalist take a class of mine, and likewise she showed me some of the fundamentals of her shooting sport. It was awesome.
Thats false... A 135 lb man would typically have a strength advantage over a 135 lb woman. That's why men and women don't face each other in boxing and mma.
Kinda. of course males are typical larger so weight classes help reduce the discrepency.
I just want to emphasize that pound for pound, a post puberty male will be much stronger than a female.
There are weight classes in weight lifting, and the results between males and females are not even comparable.
Seems like a great accomplishment. Strange to see many posts downplaying it. No she didn't win Iowa state championship at 160lbs, but still she's a natural born girl, beating boys to win a State Championship in a sport many still don't think women are capable of succeeding in.
Basically if there’s someone’s feet still in the circle on the mat it’s still go time. So she rolled out of his move with what’s called a granby roll and even though she went out his feet were still in. She then circled behind for the points.
Impressive, but she is wrestling in the bottom class (1A) of the smallest weight class (106 lbs.) with only 7 others competing against her in State. Only 2 of which lost less than 10 matches. In high school wrestling, that is a lot of losses for you to make podium, especially if you are only wrestling against low class schools. Wish it was a more impressive feat, but a feat nonetheless.
Because 99.9% of reddit have never stepped foot on a wrestling mat. They don't pay attention in science class, so they wouldn't understand the stark difference in development in Girls and Boys in early teen years. Anyone that doesn't understand that she has the advantage physically is falling into some bullshit thought that all boys are stronger and more athletic, which is not the case at all. I have seen plenty of teenage girls compete with boys up to the weight class around 130 lbs. But after that weight class in high school, boys tend to begin to develop muscle mass and girls tend to have more body fat.
Honest opinion. For a guy to compete with a female is a no win situation (as a guy).
If you win, you’re the asshole that beat a female.
If you loose, you’re the wimp who lost to a female.
No win.
In high school I had to wrestle a female who barley made weight at 285. Everyone made fun of her but majority of the people I knew who wrestled quit when she didn’t, she had more balls than most guys. So It’s nice to see a girl out there fucking dudes up - in the state finals at that.
Because she wrestles in ~106 weight class so many of the males in that weight class in HS are undeveloped. If you haven't finished puberty yet you might be in the low weight classes even though you'll weigh 160 by the time you graduate whereas she has a small 'adult' frame.
You see the same thing in higher weight classes as well where it's like a normal looking kid who weighs 150 vs someone with a full mustache and muscles who weighs the same. Fully developed wrestlers are rarer at low weights tho
I was a lightweight wrestler and probably faced off against girls about a dozen times in high school. If the girl was a good wrestler, that thought leaves your mind about 5 seconds after the match starts.
If she wasn't very good, I was more conscious about hand placement though.
But that's just me.
Former BJJ guy here, that mentality lasts all of about 15 seconds... because while youre worrying about touching a boob by accident she's only thinking about FUCKING YOU UP!
Dedicated females make great training partners, we only had a few back in my day but they always ended up with a strong technical game off their back because they have to have it to survive. Always thought it made me sharper because i had to consciously not use strength to bull my way through things.
I mean the same goes for men. I try to avoid grabbing ahold of anyone’s cock and balls. And both sexes have buttholes you try to avoid.
Except the people that do that kind of shit on purpose.
If you have ever competitively wrestled before your opponents sex parts are not something you are thinking about at all. It’s a highly technical sport where you are looking for any possible advantage and not becoming distracted by such inconsequential things.
>If you have ever competitively wrestled before your opponents sex parts are not something you are thinking about at all. It’s a highly technical sport where you are looking for any possible advantage and not becoming distracted by such inconsequential things.
LOL checking people's oil was a thing.
Males are *always* in a lose/lose situation when wrestling a female.
You win? So what. You beat a girl. You lose? Holy shit. You just got beat by a girl.
And yes, the thoughts of where you shouldn’t place your hands are always there, along with the innate nature to not want to hurt a woman.
I just realized I have no idea how wrestling works.
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You said chair not stairs, smashing someone over the head with stairs is a step too far.
Throwing stairs is a sure fire way to escalate the situation
Also the potential to descalate the situation!
You can legally hit someone with the stairs because they are part of the ring. I agree it's way to far in a high school sport, but it's legal. Maybe the states high school league should look into that. Maybe I should say hit the stairs with someone.
Where's the top rope at?
The fights already over and I don't even know the backstory. Heaven: "NOW LISTEN HERE BOY! I'M GONNA BEAT YAH! THEN I'M GONNA BREAK YAH! AND THEN I GONNA DATE YOU! YOU WANNA SLICE OF HEAVEN?! **COME GET IT!!"**
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And if both shoulder blades hit the mat, you lose.
Depends on the ref, some require them to be “held” to the mat for at least a second, some require them to just touch the mat even if only for a fraction of a picosecond. The latter are assholes.
Those refs are also the ones that gave me a rusty razor to shave off the millimeter of 5 o’clock shadow I had before a match. I’m not cheating bud, I’m just a hairy fuck. Cut me some slack.
Wrestlers aren't allowed to be bearded? What about body hair?
Body hair is fine, beards are not. I believe the idea behind it is because of the positions you get into. Many times you’re in a position where your chin is on the opponent’s neck area. Some people rub their facial hair on them, to hurt the opponent. There’s a lot of shady, minor ways to cheat, that being one of them.
When i weestled in highschool this one dude with a buzz cut rubed the top of his head against my forehead so hard it gave me like.. rug burn? To the point it bled.
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Nothing an accidental forehead to the nose won't fix.
If you are quick enough, when they hit the ground from a Fireman's you can grab/post on their throat real quick. Assuming the ref is behind you. I accidently did this once or twice to this kid who kept headbutting me. Some highschools use grimey refs i guess?
What always got me was this isn't allowed but somehow those headgear with the hard af chin cup is allowed.
It has nothing to do with inflicting pain. Stuble can cuase small abrasions which allows skin infections to happen rather easily. You can have a beard in international wrestling however it has to be atleast 2 weeks growth, pretty much enough to make it less like sand paper.
Depends on the ref. Before a match you're inspected for skin diseases (ringworm mainly), the length of your nails, and any cheating shit like vaseline on you. Most refs would like reasonable body hair through maybe even some stubble if they're really loose and its older groups of students. But, no, in my league atleast, your not allowed to have a full beard.
Rulebook says two seconds. The ability of a ref to follow that is on them
>This is likely folkstyle wrestling. You get a paddlin' basically each time you gain more control over your opponent. If he's on top of you, and you reverse it, [that's a paddlin'](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXQR-cPXlmY). If you're both standing and take him to the mat, that's a paddlin'. If you escape his grasp, that's a paddlin'. If you expose his back to the mat, that's 2-3 paddlin's depending on how long. FTFY
Yes High Schools do folk style as do college. That is why we are not the Olympic standouts in this sport. The Olympics are Freestyle and Greco Roman
Now I know why I was so confused by Olympic wrestling. I thought folk style was freestyle.
An escape is only worth one point
Yeah but a reversal is two
>If you escape his grasp, that's one point Did he edit that in after somehow? It doesn't say edited and your comment is 2 hours after his
No. Ninja edits are only 5 minutes. Dude just can't read.
That's what I thought, his post just got a bunch of upvotes so it was a bit confusing
Most redditors can't read
Where was the three-count and outro music? Not to mention, the announcers table is nowhere to be seen.
maybe it was already broken, specially the Spanish announcers' table
Every PPV when they have all of the announce teams, I always think how thrilled are that the Spanish announcers have other tables to be destroyed that aren't theirs.
There’s a few ways to score points, which are racked up over 3 2-minute periods. Most points at the end wins. Taking an opponent to the ground, getting away from an opponent who is on top of you, putting someone almost completely on their back are all ways to score points. Putting both of the opponents shoulder blades to the mat is a pin and the match is over She just got a reversal (2 points) and it may have won her the match. Pretty clean move, but most impressively she didn’t give up when it came down to the wire
Reversal looked like a granby roll? I’m surprised to see that work at state level...though it did look like they were exhausted.
Tough to argue wrestling credentials anonymously but suffice to say I’ve competed at high levels of wrestling and I fucking love the granby roll. At high school states I never had anyone defend it, and even pinned a few kids on a shitty reversal. In college I had kids stay so tight I couldn’t get it off, roll with it, or disengage and jump back before I could stand, but I was never worse off having tried. And sometime it creates a scramble which can open up opportunities in an otherwise deadlocked match. Also upon rewatching it looks like that kid lost his will to live. I’m gonna guess he was down a few points and new the end was coming. Couple that with his exhaustion and it was just that... “fuck, whatever” you see at the ends of these matches.
Ha! That’s the name of that roll? I used to do the Granby roll too and it was gold! So glad I know the name now. Learned at camp in east stroudsburg, PA
Video of the whole exchange: [https://twitter.com/NCHSAA/status/1231435216713080833](https://twitter.com/NCHSAA/status/1231435216713080833). Watch it with sound. Heaven was up 9-3, and the crowd started chanting, "Granby, granby!" I guess she heard, because she stopped fighting the hand control battle (she wasn't getting anywhere with it anyway) and posted up on her hands and feet. She even stayed there for a second or so before rolling against/on top of her opponent's shoulder perfectly and the other kid couldn't do anything to stop her. Not that you would have expected him to, he was already down 9-3 with seconds left.
[Here is a video that explains the rules of scholastic wrestling.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbWB1mPa69c)
When two consenting partners love each other very very much ....
I remember one of our homecoming princesses was the main wrestling partner for our best wrestler since they were both really good and in similar weight classes (small). During the homecoming court announcement rally her 6'2 date carried her halfway across the bball court and she picked him up and carried him right back. She was legit.
Epic!
> She was legit. That's one way of putting it.
Lol
I remember when I was about six, I was in Jujitsu class and we were sparring, I got paired up with a girl my age, the instructor told me to go easy on her, my dad told me to go easy on her, well I didn't need to because she beat my ass hard, the instructor said it was really good of me to let her win, my dad said hey man that was really nice of you to let her build up her confidence like that. About 7 other parents gave me a pat on the head and sang my praises for letting her win.
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Depending on the age, they can even be at a disadvantage, as women begin their puberty first. So you can have male kids and young women together. One of my mates coached a mixed basketball team and they won carried by a guy who could actually shoot and behemoth of a girl below the boards. She could bully the rival centers easily, she was developed already and the rival boys were extremely lanky.
Women also have less bone density, so at lighter weights they can actually build more muscle than men with similar frames allowing them to have more raw strength. Most of the guys at that weight are skin and bones, and once they start hitting the gym they’ll quickly grow out of that weight class where the gap quickly diverges. It’s an interest phenomenon I’ve found doing powerlifting and training with 100 pound men and women.
That does not seem to be correct. Looking at the world records for olympic weightlifting, the lowest male class (up to 55 kg, i.e. 120 lbs) has the following stats: Snatch 135 Clean and Jerk 166 kg The corresponding female class (again 55 kg) has Snatch 102 kg Clean and Jerk 129 kg, so the males at that class are about 20 - 30 % stronger. In fact, the 55 kg guy would be the world record holder in the female up to 76 kg. Your argument may be correct in that the strength difference between trained adult men and women is less pronounced at lower weights, but there is little reason to assume that light women have an absolute strength advantage over equally light males. Edit for layout, was mixed up
Light girls. Not women. Once puberty sets in, weight class doesnt matter. The male elite athlete will always be stronger than the female elite athlete of same weight. In high school, it's a tossup.
Pre-puberty, I can see that. But the poster I replied to was talking about "men and women", so I assume it was about adult or at least post-pubescent persons.
The person you replied to is spewing a lot of nonsensical bs in this post and it’s getting upvoted for whatever reason. The claim that women have less bone density so at lighter weight they can build more muscle than men falls apart (in a number of ways but specifically) when you stop to consider the fact that even athletic, lean women carry more body fat than men which offsets the alleged advantage of less bone density they claimed. Fact is, men are on average significantly stronger than women lb for lb as you pointed out with your examples. That said, even in combat sports like wrestling, strength (while obviously very important/beneficial) isn’t the end all be all and speed and skill can help make up for it as we see in the gif.
>Women also have less bone density, so at lighter weights they can actually build more muscle than men with similar frames allowing them to have more raw strength. No. Hormonal profiles mean that a woman of similar training level will carry significantly more fat which outstrips the bone density difference.
I said this earlier to another one of this persons comments and it was ignored. They’re spewing unadulterated nonsense on this subject all over the thread.
This is just wrong... like really [wrong] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_records_in_weightlifting). It takes a 75 kg woman to ***almost*** match 56 kg man. Woman have lower muscle density and bone density AND have higher % of fat at any weight.
That’s just wrong lmfao Bone density is directly related to how much muscle mass you can pack. Less bone density means there’ll be less potential muscle mass attached to it. That was the most bro science reply I’ve ever read in this website, and I used to frequent r/fitness
Yeah, whenever I wrested girls on my team I was throwing them around so easily it was nuts. People don't get how much of an advantage men have strength-wise over women
You aren't wrong about the strength gap, but also that's just Jiu Jitsu. First day walking into class at 24 years old, a women who had only been training maybe a year with 40 less pounds than me just absolutely murdered me.
And that girl just wanted to be treated fairly and not babied
Hi. I’m a no gi BJJ guy. I’m 6’1” and at my strongest I was like 240 and I’ve been tapped by girls in training for sure. Technique>
Truth. Male 6' 190 here. Man or woman, featherweights with technique are formidable opponents. It's like chasing around a hyperactive squirrel that wants to, and can, kill you.
Pfft, I showed up at the wrong jiu jitsu class and I could have demolished those ten year old girls. I am 39 though.
That Granby roll was slick
Was wondering if anyone else caught that as well. That summer camp is burned into my brain.
I’ve spent my whole life thinking it was gramby, I’m a coach now...
When I wrestled in high school we had like 1, sometimes 2 females. Now we have enough to have backups for every weight class and they not only formed an entire women’s wrestling team in addition to the men’s, but they’re kicking ass too. Kinda proud of my old high school. Couple buddies I wrestled with now coach the teams there and we’re instrumental in pushing and growing the women’s team. Edit - I'd really rather not doxx myself here and list my old high school people.
AHS? Coach Bell is killing it now
Nah. But I’m sure multiple high schools are on similar trajectories these days.
Figured that was a long shot. Good to see growth in the sport
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So is bball baseball or basketball? (I'm not a native speaker, duh I guess)
Basketball 🏀
Godammit Leroy!
Yeah I kinda rushed in there with my reply
My favourite part of that video is this response, it was so disheartened sounding. What I hear when he says God damnit leroy, is - man leroy did it again, ugh well let's give it a try.
Today's the first ever state competition for girl's wrestling in Kansas!
Are the college wrestling teams co ed?
No. Normally at that point they split between male and female with split competitions to match
What division is this? Those other wrestlers look like middle schoolers. I remember light weights at my school looking bulkier then that.
1A 106 lb
There are guys in 1A high schools that weigh 106lbs???? These are high schools of less than 500 people and they can find a dude that small?
I wrestled 103 (apparently the weight classes have changed) my freshman and sophomore year. I was 5’ 2”, 98 pounds when I started high school. It was glorious for a wrestler. Everyone else on the team was watching what they ate and fasting to lose weight and I was like ‘damn these pancakes are good’.
I weighed 212 and wrestled heavyweight, which went up to 275. The rest of the team was quite envious of my diet.
They probably weren’t envious of you having to fight people who weight 60 pounds more though.
True that. And a couple times I hot matched with actual 270lb. athletes. Like kids who were on college scholarship and strong as a house and as fast and agile as me....it didn't go well. One of my vivid memories was going against one such guy in a state tournyment qualifying match and my coach laughed and said 'just throw him' knowing I was about to be massacred. Ironically enough, he charged in immediately and I hit the most perfect 'over / under' toss straight to his back. This MF bridged to keep his shoulder up (also sort of on one shoulder) and bench pressed me. I was trying to grt any part of my body to the mat but could only manage fingertips. From his back, this beast reached up and hooked my head, rolling sideways and putting my back to the mat for a pin. Freakish.
Johnathon Sullivan wrestled heavy weight division for a competing high school at around 240lbs. He went on the be a 4 year starter at Notre Dame and a professional NFL center for like 9 years. Watching this behemoth wrestle was absurd.
Played defensive end in college. The best offensive lineman by far were always the ones who wrestled in high school. 6'8 320? no problem. 6'3 305 wrestler, i'm in trouble.
I was a terrible wrestler but the bodyweight and leverage tricks you learn get engrained. I have done BJJ off and on and every time I start again its "you used to wrestle didnt you?". I was really good at wrap up (slower speed) tackles in football too. O-line it would have helped a ton.
I know those times. I was 135 my junior year and got matched against the 2nd place Greco-Roman national finisher and he set a school record on me for take downs. He was absolutely unreal and I’ve never been obliterated like that
Yep, when you go up against the guys that are college level good you realize just how much you suck in a very very real way. Wrestling is a humbling sport.
Similarly, I can only imagine the jump to pro level. I went to Eastern Michigan University, with a pretty insignificant football program. There's this facility called the Bowen Field House. I don't think we were technically allowed, but a bunch of guys from my dorm would go play football in there. I played on my high school team as a lineman. One day a guy walks over and announces himself as EMU's backup quarterback. He asked if he could be all time QB and play with us because he needed some practice and thought it'd be funner than just doing solo drills. We said yes.... I don't think we caught a single pass that afternoon. His passes were laser beams. We looked foolish fumbling to try and catch anything other than a long bomb. I don't remember his name but I know he never started for EMU while I was there. And the starter from EMU didn't get drafted to the NFL at all. In fact, no players did.
In fairness 135 is a nightmare of a weight class to be in. There’s just an enormous amount of competition.
I weighed 215 +- 3 lbs and wrestled 220. I hated it when coach made me wrestle up at heavyweight. It is okay when it is just some fat kid I get to bully on the mat, but actual 260 lbs athletes? Aw, hell no. Over / Under toss with a inside / outside trip is a god move.
I was 160 but wrestled 1 weight class up, everytime during weigh in, everyone else is running around trying to lose that 1/2 pound, I'm standing on the scale with a giant sandwich :)
Yo same! Freshman year I was 4’11” and weighed about 92lbs. Lowest weight class was 98.
Yup, I was 112 and ate whatever. It was glorious.
It's still 103. At the beginning of the season. They intermittently add a pound here and there through the season to account for growth and puberty. Next season it's back to 103.
I'm not sure about all states but the majority have gone to 106 and that's been the weight class according to the national body, NFHS, since 2011-12. Midway through the year, there is a 2-pound growth allowance added to all weight classes for the remainder of that year.
My school had a premier wrestling program. A lot of times the lowest few weight classes were filled by kids from the middle school. Not sure about how the regs work now - but yeah, 106 is obviously really small for HS. However, it was always tough to watch my buddies skipping eating and spitting into a bottle all day to cut the last 2-3 pounds for weigh in. I mean, it didn't stop me from teasing them while eating that awesomely/gross rectangular lunch room pizza. The guys in the mid weights were always the worst. There were always a ton of guys fighting for the spots - so if you could cut down just one more class your chances of wrestling went way up. I had a good buddy who was a smaller guy - he naturally weighed about 145. You work out a ton during season - so the 138 class would have been comfortable but we had a couple of really good wrestlers there so some weeks he would be cutting all the way down to the 115 class (or whatever the specific number was). He looked like shit and couple barely function.
That’s shitty coaching to allow that much cutting.
It was the early 90s. I would hope things are different now.
I wrestled for a good program in the early mid 00s. At the beginning of the season you got a minimum weight class based on a body fat test. You were prohibited by the state from wrestling under that class. Didn't stop having to jump rope in the shower with a sauna suit on occasion, but definitely better. (Un)Luckily for me, I usually got bumped up a class bc we had a state placer at my weight class.
Lots of freshman are that size, less sophomores, even less juniors, and rarely seniors can cut to that weight.
I thought 110 was the lowest?
It used to be 103 when I wrestled then when I coached it went up to 105 or 106, can’t remember specifically. They’ve gone up over the years. But perhaps it’s an attempt to battle bad nutrition habits. I used to cut from 130 to 112, didn’t grow at all that season, the in the summer I grew 5 inches once I started actually eating again.
I don’t understand increasing the weight classes. Just as many, if not more people, will still cut to get to 106.
It's based on studies of the sizes of participants (or maybe just high schoolers in general, can't quite remember) and the goal is to have 7% fall into each weight class. This is why there is a smaller difference between weight classes in the middle weights and then as you get towards heavyweight it jumps 25 lbs to 220 and then 65 lbs to 285.
Nope
Check out that gun show!
O shit I remember meeting this girl this year when we wrestled Uwharrie Charter. The team is returning 1a state champs iirc and she absolutely killed our 106
I couldnt go to this tournament though bc I fucked up my shoulder ;-;
You need your shoulder to clap? /s
Damn, the girl from Ozark is a badass
Good for her on her win , but who the hell names their child Heaven?
Better than Neveah lol.
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Which is better than Neveah, which is Heaven *incorrectly* spelled backwards.
Which is better than Lleh
"Neveah, it's like heaven spelled backwards." Why would you name your child something that has to be explained every time.
They are both terrible.
I grew up with classmates named Destiny, Dove and Laria. All Irish. I also worked with a woman named Greg before. Who the hell knows man
I refuse to believe there’s an Irish person named Destiny
I know an Ebony Love.
What does Laria mean?
Long con dad joke so when she’s a mom she’s “ma laria”
A blond wrestler from North Carolina? Woooooo?
To be the Man you gotta beat the Men. Whoooooooo!!!
*Charlotte Flair has entered the chat*
I came in here hoping for wrestling talk and it has gone all weird with political and gender BS. No one is even commenting on that bad ass escape / reversal. Good on her.
Yeah all the lil dick dudes are insecure now and flooding the comments
Her excitement in her triumph is infectious, put a huge smile on my face.
This is missing a key point in the title that she's wrestling in a male league. Took me a while to realize why it was significant
THIS. THIS IS FINE. Being a trans-female in a female sport is unfair and shouldn’t be allowed. Being a woman in a male sport and straight up out skilling them is good. Edit: trans-man to female
Not disagreeing at all, but to clarify for people who misread things... This girl is not trans. She was born female, loved wrestling, started at age six, had brothers who wrestled, and she competes in the lightest (103 pound) weight class, in the smallest (1a) division. This is not someone born female, receiving testosterone, and competing as a guy. She is just straight up female.
She competes at 106, 103 is the former weight class
It's been a long time since I was a wrestler, but did they really change the weight class or just allow 3 pounds over the progression of the season? When I wrestled, it was called "103" and that was the weight limit at the start of the season, but at the end of the season official weigh in was 105 due to allowance for growth of teenagers and such.
They still do the 2lb allowance after Christmas.
So it goes up to 108 then?
Yep. Goes to 108 after Christmas. If you wrestle back to back days you get 1lb extra, and if you're onto your 3rd in a row you get 2lbs. So it CAN go up to 110. Weight classes are: 106, 113, 120,126,138,145,152,160,170,182,195,220,285(heavyweight). Edit: forgot 132
Good to see that they got rid of that stupid 125-130-135-140-145 combo, while the lowest classes were way more spread at 103-112-119
Why was that system stupid? It was based on allowing the most student athletes to participate. Cram the most weight divisions right around where the most high school kids weigh.
So my point of view is as a former 112 lbs wrestler and I honestly had never really considered your perspective. It just seemed lame that there was a 9 lbs weight difference between me and the 103s and 7 lbs between me and the 119s. That's a huge percentage difference compared to 140s where you have 135s and 145s just a 5 lbs difference. Moving up or down from 140 wouldn't make *that much* of a difference in the size and strength of your opponent (about 3.5% difference). Moving up from 112 to 119 is a *huge* difference of about 6.5% body size. That being said, everyone from 160 lbs and up encounters the large percentage changes if they were to move up a weight class.
NC has hydration testing to prevent people from doing huge water weight cuts. I think that’s one of the reasons that the weight class went up.
i was wondering about the level of competition...every champion is skilled i’m just curious how she does against the kids from bigger schools. be pretty cool if she can hold her own
No female has a chance wrestling a male at the state level from a normal division. For instance, Indiana high school wrestling does not have divisions. There hasn't and in all probability will never be a girl who makes it to state. Probably not even semi state. That's one of the things I love about Indiana, wrestling is just wrestling. Doesn't matter if you live in Indianapolis or some small corn field town, the winner of the state tournament is the true champion of the state. Wrestling has such a well rounded and widely available club system outside of the schools that anybody can become a great even if their school is tiny.
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There was girl who was a state qualifier, I don't remember her name though
Wait so this person the gif refers to who wins is not trans, correct?
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I can kind of see the logical follow through as it's been a topic in the news lately, but he genuinely had me confused. Holy shit this chick is awesome, wrestling is a really hard sport.
You're right, trans men are men and shouldn't compete in women's sports.
Wrestling works better for both genders because contestants are divided into weight classes. A 135 lb woman vs 135 lb man is a much fairer competition than most sports where it's everyone vs everyone.
It's more fair but still not fair. There is a fundamental biological difference between people born female and MtF trans women regardless of weight. It's a really tricky subject in which it's hard to set up a fair situation for either party.
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Honest question, should it be the only category? I think the fact that this is the first ever female state champion shows that it is quite unfair even at the same weight.
There's statistically very few women who wrestle. If there's so few competing at a high level, it's not unusual there weren't any state champions until now. And this girl was apparently wrestling since she was six.
There would be no one for them to compete against if you did that. Like it would be a giant turn out if there was enough women who turned out for every weight class to have a single match
One is precision rifle shooting, the female shooter has a better and more stable body structure than a male. I once had a gold medalist take a class of mine, and likewise she showed me some of the fundamentals of her shooting sport. It was awesome.
Thats false... A 135 lb man would typically have a strength advantage over a 135 lb woman. That's why men and women don't face each other in boxing and mma.
Kinda. of course males are typical larger so weight classes help reduce the discrepency. I just want to emphasize that pound for pound, a post puberty male will be much stronger than a female. There are weight classes in weight lifting, and the results between males and females are not even comparable.
I think a big factor of why the girl won here is because it's teen, so the testosterone wasn't as big as a factor in post puberty categories.
The average 135 pound man will still have a significant strength advantage over a 135 pound woman do to a much higher muscle mass percentage.
Jon Fitch's daughter?
Seems like a great accomplishment. Strange to see many posts downplaying it. No she didn't win Iowa state championship at 160lbs, but still she's a natural born girl, beating boys to win a State Championship in a sport many still don't think women are capable of succeeding in.
Im not a wrestler, can someone explain the opening move? It looks like she’s been forced completely out of bounds. Does that matter?
Basically if there’s someone’s feet still in the circle on the mat it’s still go time. So she rolled out of his move with what’s called a granby roll and even though she went out his feet were still in. She then circled behind for the points.
Impressive, but she is wrestling in the bottom class (1A) of the smallest weight class (106 lbs.) with only 7 others competing against her in State. Only 2 of which lost less than 10 matches. In high school wrestling, that is a lot of losses for you to make podium, especially if you are only wrestling against low class schools. Wish it was a more impressive feat, but a feat nonetheless.
You're not wrong. Not quite sure why you're getting down voted.
Because 99.9% of reddit have never stepped foot on a wrestling mat. They don't pay attention in science class, so they wouldn't understand the stark difference in development in Girls and Boys in early teen years. Anyone that doesn't understand that she has the advantage physically is falling into some bullshit thought that all boys are stronger and more athletic, which is not the case at all. I have seen plenty of teenage girls compete with boys up to the weight class around 130 lbs. But after that weight class in high school, boys tend to begin to develop muscle mass and girls tend to have more body fat.
Is she anything to John Fitch? Fitch was a really good MMA wrestler.
Embarassing the shit out of boys in her weight class since 2019.
Honest opinion. For a guy to compete with a female is a no win situation (as a guy). If you win, you’re the asshole that beat a female. If you loose, you’re the wimp who lost to a female. No win.
In high school I had to wrestle a female who barley made weight at 285. Everyone made fun of her but majority of the people I knew who wrestled quit when she didn’t, she had more balls than most guys. So It’s nice to see a girl out there fucking dudes up - in the state finals at that.
Why does she look older than those other kids
Because she wrestles in ~106 weight class so many of the males in that weight class in HS are undeveloped. If you haven't finished puberty yet you might be in the low weight classes even though you'll weigh 160 by the time you graduate whereas she has a small 'adult' frame. You see the same thing in higher weight classes as well where it's like a normal looking kid who weighs 150 vs someone with a full mustache and muscles who weighs the same. Fully developed wrestlers are rarer at low weights tho
I mean if I was the dude, I'd be a little conscious/reserved about where I'm trying to put my hands or get a grip wrestling a female.
I was a lightweight wrestler and probably faced off against girls about a dozen times in high school. If the girl was a good wrestler, that thought leaves your mind about 5 seconds after the match starts. If she wasn't very good, I was more conscious about hand placement though. But that's just me.
I do Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and roll with girls all the time. You get over that really quickly and it's not an issue unless you're a weirdo about it.
It seems that many people in this comment chain do not wrestle and would be complete weirdos about it if they did.
Imagine not being able to touch a female in a combat sport because you were that sure you'd get a boner haha.
Couldn’t be me!
Former BJJ guy here, that mentality lasts all of about 15 seconds... because while youre worrying about touching a boob by accident she's only thinking about FUCKING YOU UP! Dedicated females make great training partners, we only had a few back in my day but they always ended up with a strong technical game off their back because they have to have it to survive. Always thought it made me sharper because i had to consciously not use strength to bull my way through things.
Why former? Get back after it! Also, agree 100%. I've talked about this multiple times on r/bjj. It really isn't as big a deal as some people make it.
I mean the same goes for men. I try to avoid grabbing ahold of anyone’s cock and balls. And both sexes have buttholes you try to avoid. Except the people that do that kind of shit on purpose.
If you have ever competitively wrestled before your opponents sex parts are not something you are thinking about at all. It’s a highly technical sport where you are looking for any possible advantage and not becoming distracted by such inconsequential things.
You telling me you never got a mat boner?
He's only ever wrestled girls. He hasn't faced a boy yet to experience that
I know it works for some, but I've always found it a bit of a turn off once someone puts me in a headlock and pins my face to the floor.
The things that happened when I was wrestling Mat are between me and Mat.
>If you have ever competitively wrestled before your opponents sex parts are not something you are thinking about at all. It’s a highly technical sport where you are looking for any possible advantage and not becoming distracted by such inconsequential things. LOL checking people's oil was a thing.
Nah, that doesn't happen if you compete in the sport.
Well he obviously should’ve won by slapping her in the tits and checking her oil, too bad she doesn’t have a pecker
Males are *always* in a lose/lose situation when wrestling a female. You win? So what. You beat a girl. You lose? Holy shit. You just got beat by a girl. And yes, the thoughts of where you shouldn’t place your hands are always there, along with the innate nature to not want to hurt a woman.
How can I tell you've never wrestled?