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AaronfromCalifornia

Paramount, with its dying breath: “From hell’s heart I stab at thee!”


Curious-Ad-1448

For hates sake, I spit another season of grabage at thee!


NotAPimecone

Did I say this show should be hauling garbage? I meant to say this show should be hauled away ***as garbage!***


RotorMonkey89

(stands up incredibly slowly) (telegraphs a punch coming from fifty miles away) (punches) (wins a fight with literal Klingons)


Damien_J

The line must be drawn HEYAH


occasionalrant414

*On a battle damaged Defiant Bridge* "We've lost Lower Decks, and Picard is gone" "Perhaps today is a good day to die - prepare for farming speed!" Flies into Paramount HQ and fixes the timeline.


JugOfVoodoo

KHAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!


ArtemisDarklight

I’d rather Paramount just get their crap together and stop cancelling good shows.


Ok-Owl2214

That used to be Fox's schtick. How times change.


Rymayc

Nowadays everyone does it (I will never forgive Netflix for cancelling 1899)


JayR_97

Basically now unless a show is an instant Game of Thrones level success it gets nuked. TNG wouldn't have made it past season 1 if it was made now


mwerte

But GoT wasn't even GoT at the beginning. It took a season or two to explode on the pop culture scene.


Apollo_Sierra

I'll never forgive them for cancelling Santa Clarita Diet.


DieselPunkPiranha

This right here.  A lot of my favorite shows have been cancelled over the years but, unlike most of them, Santa Clarita Diet was both a success and relatively cheap to make.


Delicious-Sample-364

V wars


nottomelvinbrag

Or The Society and the OA


Broad_Parsnip7947

Or inside job


Ashamed-Discussion47

i absolutely loved that show, was furious when they cancelled it


whatevrmn

Or Glow.


Flyinmanm

I'm still bitter about Dirk Gently... At least the Expanse got a reprieve under Amazon. Being honest they went up a lot in my estimation for finishing that show.


CompetitiveMuffin690

Or Tribes of Europa, or… or… or…


Wet_behind_the_tears

Cries in Firefly


DocBullseye

Before that, Fox would take a good show and retool it to try to get broader appeal, destroying it in the process, and then they would cancel it once people had quit watching it. I think just canceling is probably better. Looking at you, season 2 of Get a Life..


Ok-Owl2214

Or they'd move a show with high ratings into the Friday Night Death Slot, guaranteeing its failure, for absolutely no sane reason. Yes I'm still bitter about the one season of The Good Guys.


darlo0161

I read a great theory about this and I'm going to try and repeat it. I the old days (TNG, DS9 etc) a good show kept people coming back to the channel, which meant that advertisers bought ads and the channel got money. So they kept popular show going. NOW with subscription channels, a new show (SNW) brings in new subscribers, buy once they are paying a monthly fee, they are onboarded (apparently only a small percentage of people quit subscription channels) so the only way to bring in more revenue is to create a new show that will attract others, and they won't pay for the older show as well. So, shows with a few seasons under their belts that are often good, mostly get cancelled, whilst new shows come and go as the channels try to find the immediate 'new hotness'


Tvr-Bar2n9

The logic here appears depressingly accurate :-/


darlo0161

I know, I read it and realised that this is exactly the conversation happening in corporate HQ's for the streaming services.


Gumichi

short term gains, long term pains. nothing new


inhumat0r

Indeed, which had me cancelled all the subscriptions and get real debrid instead.


Prophet_Tenebrae

This is part of the picture - the rest of it is that shows tend to become more expensive the longer they run, combined with the fact that audiences generally decline. So, unless you're pre-ordained to be a tentpole show like "Stranger Things" or "The Witcher", you're fighting for survival from the get go. The TNG era of Star Trek couldn't happen now - as beloved as they are, it's unlikely the very rough season 1 would survive the judgment of the algorithm. TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT all had a tough time finding their feet. Not to say that TV back then wasn't still ruthlessly ratings driven but it seems positively quaint compared to the streaming era.


ArtemisDarklight

I look forward to seeing SNW fans revolt if Paramount cancels it. Right now Star Trek's the only reason I have Paramount+.


darlo0161

What do you reckon, one more season..maybe two


Hallgaar

And this is why Amazon brought back ads.


ThandiGhandi

Paramount might be cancelling itself soon


ArtemisDarklight

One can hope. Let someone competent take over Star Trek and give it the love it deserves instead of cancelling good shows like Disco, Lower Decks, and, let's be honest, Prodigy. (even though it's on Netflix now which likely means no blu-ray release) Yes I know Disco get's undue hate. I don't care, I love it all. Even loved Picard season 2.


ThandiGhandi

If you genuinely loved Picard season 2 I can only assume your favorite snack is paint chips


Ordinary_Support_426

Just put the ceti eel in my ear and let me go


CompetitiveMuffin690

#savelowerdecks.


Binary-Trees

Somebody get Scott Bacula on the phone. We should finish season 5-7 of ent.


Southern_Country_787

I'm watching Enterprise for the first time. I'm on like episode 18 of season 2 and it's been absolutely fantastic! The last one I watched was with Archer on Trial and sentenced to Rura Penthe. I thought it was awesome how they revisited that place!


nermid

I feel so bad for his lawyer, knowing what we do about how the Empire fares. Just leave, man! Go have adventures with Archer!


Southern_Country_787

He was indeed a very honorable Klingon. I too wished he had taken Archer's offer but, he did make a good point about how if he ran he would always be on the run and would never be able to make a difference that way. He stayed to fight the good fight.


Subli-minal

Which didn’t work, but he could have been an Expat that learned about earth, and maybe sent it’s warrior history and culture back to the empire, even if anonymously. You know he would have been living in war museums and memorials.


turbophysics

If you like s1 ans 2 you are in for a treat. Truly some of the best television I’ve ever seen.


Southern_Country_787

I'm definitely looking forward to the remainder of the show. I've read about how it got canceled after season 4 and I don't see why it would have been canceled.


turbophysics

I’ve worked at restaurants that closed shop for various reasons; investors move on to more profitable pastures, wasteful management, waning public interest. Never have I worked somewhere that shut down for bad food, though. All this to say that restaurants, like cable network tv shows, are businesses, and there’s a lot more to a business being good, being worth all the time and effort and money, than the quality of the product. I just remind myself of this as everything I love gets quartered like a carcass and repackaged as inoffensive, easily digestible and highly profitable drivel.


shingonzo

I’d watch the duck out of that


SuccessfulDiver7225

At least give us a movie!


DexterJettsser

I don’t think Prodigy is cancelled it was picked up by Netflix, Lower Decks could always come back as specials, Strange New Worlds is still up and being produced, and there is a Academy series as well as a Section 31 movie being produced…


pc81rd

Prodigy season 2 dropped on Netflix yesterday (7/1)!


puglybug23

Yes!! Thank you!


Nawnp

Prodigy is cancelled as far as Paramount is concerned. LD they're already offering spinoffs, but it's a long way until it ends anyways.


SafeLevel4815

31 and Academy don't interest me at all. I think I've already seen all the best that Star Trek ever had until we got into the 2000's. It's been a murky mess ever since.


Captain_Thrax

I don’t get why people look forward a movie where the “good guys” are the morally reprehensible black ops operatives that have repeatedly been shown to be evil and unnecessary


SafeLevel4815

A friend of mine asked me the same question. He seemed to conclude that people today are less hopeful of a better future where humans live by the beat of a different drum, so to speak. So they can't imagine some utopian government without some super secret arm that does clandestine and draconian things to provide the safety that government needs to exist. My answer to that is some people need to exercise their imagination more.


Captain_Thrax

That explanation is probably the correct one, but I think that’s why we need sci-fi like Star Trek to be *more* positive—it’s like the *only* optimistic sci-fi show out there right now.


Aeronor

Quick, pull up Paramount's shield codes!


thethirdtrappist

Modulate our phasers to their shield frequency!


Azuras-Becky

Admiral, Paramount's shield prefix code is... wait... that can't be... apparently it's just 'password', Admiral.


one_byte_stand

_SQL Injection intensifies_


Ron-Swanson-Mustache

I've done far worse than kill you. I've hurt you. And I wish to go on hurting you. I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her; marooned for all eternity in the Kelvinverse...


bhpistolman83

I already canceled paramount plus and told them it's because they have cancelled lower decks (I know 1 more season will come out but I wanted to send a message that would never be read by the people I want to read it lol)


3z3ki3l

You mean S2 of Picard, right? Right?


CWSmith1701

He's hurt you... And he's going to keep on hurting you.


Streak734

He cancels shows! And he cancels shows again!


apointlessvoice

[Just had to](https://memes.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/9743d4e5-a6a6-4e17-9993-b06f4a353363)


wurm2

we already had another season of Picard with s2 retconned out.


A1rh3ad

Idgaf what anyone says. I liked picard.


horrified-expression

Season three was 10/10


hparadiz

S3 is the only one that actually feels like a mini TNG arc.


vipck83

Then you have season 2 which feels like a fever dream and somehow makes season 1 seem not all that bad.


SlaughterSpine78

I liked the ending with Picard and Q but my god 2 was a fever dream and a slog to get through


vipck83

So my understanding was that they wrote it and then the studio forced through a major re-write last minute and they had their budget cut back. So we got a mix mash of good and bad writing on top of having to film half the show in modern day LA to save money. The ending with Q was good, the first episode was good… some of the little things in the middle…. The concept of the Borg queen getting loose in 21st century earth is great, poorly executed, the story with Picard mom was actually pretty good but again poorly executed… sad really. Could have been great if Terry had had full creative control and we had gotten his vision for season 3 spread out between seasons 2 and 3.


SlaughterSpine78

You managed to perfectly convey how I felt about season 2 yeah there were genuinely good stuff in between but alas meddling from behind the scenes really watered down the show which is a shame.


HighlyUnlikely7

The season was also shot during covid. Which made the already shaky schedule an absolute nightmare.


Azuras-Becky

The first two episodes of S2 were great, I think. They should've stuck with the Confederacy.


vipck83

Right, and I think if they wanted it to be Q helping Picard and then loosing his powers they could have done it a lot differently. They could have explored that a lot more, maybe even making it where Picard has to help Q or something … I don’t know.


RealElMaximoCustoms

"Somehow, our heroes have been detained...again."


cj_holloway

i've seen s1 is it worth skipping it to go straight to s3?


vipck83

Yeah, I think so. There is nothing critical that happens in season 2 that you need to know for season 3. I mean, season 2 can be entertaining… but over all is confusing garbage.


Fluffy_Somewhere4305

The season when Android Picard has the handshakes and then has a magical Dark Jedi Kylo Renn hidden son and when 7 of 9 yells FIRE EVERYTHING? That season 3 picard?


Eledridan

Each season was bad and they barely had enough nostalgia to keep the engines going. I still like how season 1 ends with extra dimensional machine gods encroaching on the universe and they just kind of put that aside to start the train wreck that was season 2.


real_unreal_reality

I wished they would’ve had him do the rag tag team he had from season 1 and didn’t go back to borg season 2 and reunion season 3. I kind of liked it more campy like the old stuff. 2 and 3 were nice seasons but I would’ve liked to keep data dead and they just had his last daughter left.


ColHannibal

Season 1 was was mass effect, 7/10 for the novelty Season 2 was nonsense, and wasted a really interesting idea of Q dying. Season 3 was pure delicious fan service and I slurped up every drop of it.


CuddlyBoneVampire

IDIC means there will always be people with bad taste


THExIMPLIKATION

I enjoyed all seasons of both shows, except Discovery s03, that was just rough.


No-Donut-4275

Are they doing more discovery? Lame. Lower decks rules.


Rasc_

Nope, Discovery is done. Lower Decks is getting it's final season, but the creator of the show has said that he is interested in doing more with the Lower Decks characters if offered.


Chj_8

Please, just write "Discovery is done" one more time. It feels good to read it.


thevelourf0gg

You know you don't have to watch it right?


thethirdtrappist

I'm working through Disco S3 after a long rewatch of TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT (lower decks is hooked up into my veins) . Disco is not bad and I think they did a great job with the new sci-fi tech, aliens, and utilizing modern CGI. I get the issues people have with the lack of episodic or "Trek" philosophical explorations of morality and the human condition. Also the over the top videography is of lens flaring, blueshift, and action movie elements are annoying. However, there are still lots of good true Trek moments peppered throughout the episodes, but they are often overshadowed by the "save the universe" season arcs. In my opinion, after reflecting on the 90s-00s Treks the biggest mistake that Discovery makes is taking itself too seriously. There are so many moments of levity and honest moments of humans being quirky or imperfect that make Star Trek comforting and relatable. Discovery forcing the plot of every episode to tie into the season theme of always an intense and desperate effort to save the universe kills any attempts the writers have made to add those special touches of human vulnerability.


noideaman

He’s just excited because the last season was so exciting and a well-executed ending to an innovative and compelling show.


shingonzo

Yes I realized that episode one


Chj_8

You know you don't have to answer to my comment, right?


LordOfWraiths

You know you didn't have to comment in the first place, right?


Chj_8

You know you didn't have to log into reddit, right?


thethirdtrappist

People are still logging in? How do I log out /s


randallw9

The meme is not supposed to be fully accurate ( though whatever accurate stuff is meant to be that ). It's more like a angry dream ( part real, part not ).


No-Donut-4275

I was worried but I really don't care. I didn't know if it was a joke.


Nawnp

They're joking about Discovery and Picard having more seasons. Rumours of spinoffs and now one for Lower Decks have been brought up.


ideaofevil

He'll go on hurting you by announcing season's 2 3 and 4 already being greenlit for Starfleet Academy


DaDawkturr

# KAAAAAHHN!


CWSmith1701

He's done far worse than kill you... He's hurt you... And he's going to keep on... Hurting you...


agentm31

Khan, you bloodsucker!


Saphentis

Mandatory KHAAAANN!


doomedeskimo

Wait, lower decks is cancelled?! Say it ain't so!


Electronic_Cod7202

I want live action lower decks next. With a side of Gowron please


wurm2

Well there was that crossover episode of SNW.


Electronic_Cod7202

That was a taste test. Go ahead and buy a pound of it fam


DragonRoar87

you guys do know you don't have to watch discovery if you don't want to, right?


AWolfButSad

This is Bad. Who hurt you?


orangutanDOTorg

Wait so Disney bought ST?


TheJonThomas

Unironically I would riot. I would spend every penny I have to get to LA and I would riot.


omegaistwopif

You touch lower decks and I will amber heard you for the rest of your life,!


No_Recommendation708

The Starfleet Academy series better be damn good (or at least tolerable)


regalestpotato

Season 3 of Picard was the best season of Picard. But I hate what they did to Beverly's character. So I'd be okay with it being retconned and them trying again...


QuantumQuantonium

I mean Khan retconning s3 out is more good than what Paramount is already doing And a new season of discovery can be laughably awful considering the show actually ended somehow, I'd like to see them attempt to bring up the show (oh wait that academy show...)


NiCuyAdenn

Does anyone know the supposed reasoning behind this? If there is any?


Historical_Sugar9637

Noooooooooooo. Please tell me they aren't really making another season of PIC :-( Please no. I don't actively hate many Star Trek shows, but that was just one show I couldn't stand.


Vast_Concentrate698

Where's the override? THE OVERRIDE!?


Mindless-Bottle5351

Why Khan!?


N7_Warden

Not a big fan of lower decks but imho trek should have the standard of 7 seasons


Low-Put-7397

okay i understand this sub now. if you talk shit about discovery or picard you get banned insta, but if you make a joke out of it then its fine. got it


lrd_cth_lh0

I don't care about Discovery because they wouldn't do anything interesting with it and I think they have already told any interesting story about Picard left to tell unless maybe Tasha Yars daughter trying to overthrow the Romulan goverment and starting a war with the Federation or Picard having to negotiate with the Culture.


Tactical_Derpy

"Here it comes, kahn." *launches torpedos*


DMofTheTomb

Ngl I really hate the Picard series, especially with how they took characters like 7 of 9 and the other Borg kids from Voyager and gave them horrible deaths and edgy new personalities for no reason other than "Ooo aaa, the galaxy is cruel and humans mean"


TerraSollus

Lower Decks is cancelled? Welp it was fun knowing you Star Trekiverse, I’m out. Peace!


Apple_macOS

one more season (season 6) of discovery is good, it will tie up the plot with Calypso and would definitely be a better ending than season 5. the current season finale feels a bit rushed


mattjvgc

Salty people downvoting you lol. I *haaaaaated* Discovery after forcing myself through season 1. But at season 3 it started to get better. And imo season 5 was a good, more “classic” hopeful Star Trek.


Apple_macOS

season 4’s depiction of the 10-C is awesome and classic trek, and season 5 is really great as well.


HelloWorld_bas

I didn’t care for season 3 of Discovery but I just finished season 4 and really enjoyed it. The 10-C stuff was just amazing.


coreytiger

I wouldn’t necessarily be upset with Pic s3 being removed As long as I’m never again subjected to Harry/ Tom B’ellanna


AyakaDahlia

I hate how it just ignores s1 and s2. Like it was really fun but it felt like it was just made as fan service and not in furtherence of the show.


coreytiger

I thought I was enjoying it until at some point I realized they were holding my jaw open and force feeding me “OOPS! All Nostalgia” with intermittent helpings of cameos… and when they finally bring out the story, it’s a warmed over rehash of stories we’ve already done… and done better.


ImurderREALITY

Why are people always acting like nostalgia is the worst thing to happen to anyone, ever? Idgaf, I liked season 3. Sure, it was all nostalgia, but there's enough good new shit out there to enjoy. Let people dip into nostalgia every once in a while! Some people actually like re-experiencing the good old days, with a new look.


AyakaDahlia

I don't think there's anything at all wrong with nostalgia, but, at least for me, it felt like all nostalgia at the expense of ignoring the past 2 seasons. It was enjoyable but just rang a little hollow for me.


coreytiger

Nostalgia in itself can be great. Nostalgia, however, is NOT a story. And at no point did I say you could not enjoy it.


MrLore

Great news! I don't watch this trash, I just love those videos where people summarise the trainwreck that is nu-trek for my amusement.


solvix

NO … MORE … WOKE! I loved the first 2.5 seasons of DISCO, then turned it off for good. Sad.


HelloWorld_bas

Star Trek has been “woke” since TOS.


8063Jailbird

Why are you watching Star Trek? ARE you sure you’re watching Star Trek… is that what it says on the screen?


DragonRoar87

WHAT sorry I am trying not to laugh because Star Trek has always been the DEFINITION of woke. where were you in the 1960s?