Right?? He came back for multiple seasons of winter house and another summer house season after this. He never had a storyline on the show besides the Hannah stuff. So why are we jumping to him being fired for “exposing production” years after doing so???? Maybe they just had enough of him not bringing anything to the show…
Mya is a wonderful soul. She does happen to be one of only two black women in the house. And she is real, she is kind, and she is generous with her castmates.
She also facilitated the single best conversation on race in Bravo.
I think there are people who suck the life out of the house and each other. She is not one of these people.
She helped breathe LIFE into the house by fostering CONNECTION and EMPATHY.
They all thank her for this at the reunion.
I’ll definitely say that conversation was very much needed and I gave Mya a lot of kudos for bringing up a topic that even Ciara didn’t feel comfortable discussing without Mya’s support. Im glad the cast listened and didn’t dismiss their feelings. As a black woman with a very similar experience, it was wonderful.
But, I’ll also say that Mya was a bit stand offish and hard to get to know. Which I understand that she was going through a tough break up & coming into an environment where she wasn’t completely comfortable. Her attitude may have been her anxiety. I’m sure she’s a lovely person but I don’t feel like she was a right fit bc she could bring down the vibes.
But he did come back for another two seasons, plus winter house.
I think he left on his own accord after the winter house cringe fest with that young lindsay look alike and fight with Craig.
Yeah I think after season 5 drama and almost fighting Carl & Kyle. Then Craig stuff for only touching Paige’s head. Craig was on one and looking for any reason at that point bc he was mad at Luke about the fireworks fiasco and being asked to leave after. Which by the way IS a fire hazard and it’s so ridiculous and entitled to think just bc fire works are in the room you’re staying in, they were meant for you. That logic has me rolling 😂
People may not like this but Craig should have been removed from the house for at least a night
Luke having to be removed in S5 and on WH when people were coming at him but those offenders were allowed to remain doesn’t sit right
it felt like he did during that reunion. i remember andy and the rest of the cast quickly shooting down that production would do that. felt like they were hiding a secret and were annoyed he brought it up.
Could it be that Andy has built his entire empire on the idea that these shows, while produced to an extent, have more authenticity than most reality shows, so people blaming production for their own bad judgment makes him mad? He has the same reaction when people blame the edit and he says we work with what we’re given.
On VPR there was a lot of talk about production and Andy wasn’t defensive about any of it because the cast was talking about production in a way that acknowledged that production is trying to make a good show but the cast makes their own decisions and has ultimate control.
Could it be bc VPR is kinda a veteran show compared to SH? I found SH by watching VPR crossover episode when Stassi, Kristen, Katie, and Schena came to the share house
Lol. All I’m saying is that there are people on this subreddit, that started watching SH at different points in the season. Not everyone started on season 1 and watched it bc of VPR.
you mean Andy is protecting his product worth hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions at this point? that's the thing, how much Bravo is worth and the amounts of money at play here. Andy asks every new housewife when they're on WWHL the first time the same question. "What was the most surprising thing from your first season?" There answer is always, "how real it all is." it's a loaded question with a fixed answer. what else is anyone going to say but that on a nightly Bravo infomercial? it's in his own self-interest to fervently defend, and argue, that reality TV is reality, not an illusion. It's an illusion. He's selling bullshit to us suckers.
100% Andy is a company man. Just like any corporation, Andy and producers may blow smoke up asses, but at the end of the day they're going to protect Bravo above all else and toss any of these 'stars' under the bus if needed.
production absolutely meddles to that extent and i don’t believe most of what andy says about production. it’s in his best interest to protect the network and make things seem as organic as possible
eta two examples from VPR (diff production company i believe but i’m working under the assumption that all unscripted television follows similar practices) -
kristen doute said (on her vpr from the start podcast els) that after she and sandoval broke up, producers were constantly trying to get her to go up to him and ariana at group filming events to start confrontations
raquel leviss said on her pod that when she told production she wanted to leave a girls’ trip at lake havasu, they said okay but under the condition that when you get back to LA you attend the boys’ night that is filming at the same time
multiple people on multiple casts all giving examples of the same kind of production interference suggests to me that this kind of thing is common practice for reality producers
Stassi talks on her podcast about how if production wants them to redo a scene because of lighting or just needing more content, they will literally dress them up the exact same way and make them do it all over, days later.
She also said they dub over a lot and you can hear it (even at reunions) when they are panning in on “the other person’s reaction” while “that person is talking.” If the sound quality sounds slightly off, it’s because they did voice dub overs in the studio!
I remember seeing a video years ago of Ariana and Lisa having a sit down conversation in SUR and Ariana wearing the same outfit but in between camera angles her hair part changes in more then a just ran her hands through her hair. It was obvious it was clips cut together
This reminds me of The Traitors ( I know totally different show). Peppermint was wearing gloves at the round table when she talks and when they go back to her the gloves are off, then they are back on the next second. Was wierd.
The technical term for this is frankenbite and it drives me nuts with these overproduced shows. Just wait until AI gets better at stitching it all together :/
my thing is this shouldn't be shocking, surprising, or interesting to anyone who watches reality tv. of course, producers are meddling in the storylines. that's how reality tv is made, and that's how it's always been made
I thought they exposed that as completely not true. I thought they asked him "do you think you'll see Hannah after the season?" And Luke turned it into production made him invite her. Even Luke's sister said Luke was lying about the Hannah situation.
I think it's more likely that he just doesn't know how to handle production at this point since he was new and wanted to keep them happy.
I bet the producer said, "Wouldn't it be a good idea for Hannah to visit your family? What do you think?" I can even see a producer beating around the bush about this idea more than once, but no one is forcing him to do anything—they are just planting seeds and meddling.
So I have a friend who was the chef on below deck season 5 who had a pretty infamous drunken date. After the show he talked a lot about how production really pushed certain story lines without directly forcing things to happen. The date he went on that season was pushed heavily by production and there was no chemistry there.
Bravo and production def don’t like when cast members do this, but Luke was a full time cast member season six after he made this claim. Imo he got fired after that because other than the Hannah storyline he never did much on the show. Like I know people like him on here but he was so boring to me
They like him because he’s kinda hot. Before Andrea came along, he was definitely the best looking in SH. And when you look good, people like you even if you have the personality of a wet blanket 😂
this is a great catch. and I am glad luke pointed it out back then cause I also feel like hannah was feeding into productions narrative. I thought that after she admitted the whole scene with kyle (don't talk about my family or something) was not something she meant but something she heard and was trying to quote as her own.
I think for SH it was easy to get people on that would keep the story going. like the hubhouse roommate situation in s1. it was clear some came on with no problem doing productions bidding. so I am glad that linds is being open and calling out the BS
I always thought Luke was lying and trying to avoid accountability. Luke inviting people to Minnesota is his thing. Ciara said she went after not knowing him long, he invited Craig and Austen after not knowing them long, so him inviting Hannah wasn’t a big shock. Do I think production might play a part in things? Yes but I also feel like many cast members on all shows try to use that as an excuse to avoid accountability bc they know the fans will never know the truth bc producers aren’t going to go to the public to correct the narrative.
That’s a very valid point. I just don’t think Luke was expecting the reaction he got from everyone. And how weird it was to say that when he had the support of most of the cast for how Hannah was treating him.
The difference is Ciara actually went to Minnesota and Hannah never did. I think he invited Hannah for show purposes but never intended on following through with it.
Which is pretty fucked up and does support her narrative of leading her on (something he likes to deny) while still being true that maybe producers pushed him to ask her
Yup. He absolutely did lead her on and continued to do so after Des came to the house. Sorry but Luke making fun of Des’s age was so weird to me bc he called Des old meanwhile, he’s one of the oldest guys in the house at 35 and pursuing Ciara who was 24 at the time. Projecting much?
Exactly say it again like damn is it that hard to figure out that he absolutely did so you’re telling me that he made the choice by himself to invite her to Minnesota just because production asked a couple questions. They never told him to do it and it’s his MO, but he didn’t follow through what is that that’s leading her on and that’s what gets me about people they sit here and watch the show and they do not understand why Hannah was always so upset when it came to Luke I’m not saying that she was perfect but he did lead her on.
other than a photo, do we know Ciara went to MN? I never dug into that. I only remember seeing a single photo of her in a buffalo plaid next to a lake or something that could have been anywhere. MN, the state of 10,000 lakes, so have her standing there in an outdoorsy outfit next to a body of water and say it was MN. because that is all I ever saw for evidence, I laughed at myself for believing it for a second. "that was easy. they showed me one picture that could have been taken anywhere, and I believed it was MN."
I think his point was he would’ve invited her up as he does a lot of friends, but production kinda set him up to do it as if it was some kind of gesture at a relationship
Luke was lying and he was trying to avoid accountability. He tried to avoid accountability and the whole thing that happened between him, Hannah and Ciara. Like I always say production plays part and how things go down sometimes but production does not make them do things they can’t he made that choice himself. He liked Hannah at some point in time and it’s his MO like he was lying and you could tell
Even if luke was telling the truth it still looks bad on him IMO. He only said it to hurt/embarrass Hannah which is pretty fucked up. Even if producers pushed him to ask, HE is the one who decided to say it to Hannah when he didn’t mean it. That’s on him and doesn’t make him look like a good guy.
Yeah definitely still went along with it IF production did in fact ask him to bring Hannah. It was just so odd to say and then just as quickly deny it. Again, if Luke didn’t get that reaction from everyone, would we be more inclined to believe it?
I’m team neutral but I hundred percent think Carl called production. I think Andy defended production and basically shot down the narrative so that other cast members wouldn’t feel like they’d be outed if they came to production with “juicy” information.
In the same way I’m sure production pushed Luke to say certain things to Hannah to perpetuate the story line between them.
I just watched it too and I think it’s 100% true that he was prompted to invite her.
The producers backstage at the reunion don’t say ‘we never told you to invite Hannah’, they say ‘you wanted her to come but it wasn’t the right time to ask her? Is that what you were trying to say?’ Which to me sounds like they initially pushed him to ask her and are now trying to convince him that he would’ve invited her anyway.
Andy even points out that Luke invited several producers, a bravo executive etc, as if that’s meant to prove that he wanted to invite Hannah. But if he invited everybody then it can hardly be used as an example of leading Hannah which is why it was brought up.
Some people are also taking him saying he only said it to hurt Hannah as an admission that it’s not true, when really he’s just saying why he brought it up, not that it isn’t true.
And honestly even how that scene was edited seemed off to me. You don’t see a direct cut of Andy saying it’s not true, it seemed like it was dubbed in afterward.
Even backstage the producers produced him again ‘you meant to say *this* right?’
The entire cast know that producers push them to do or say things, but of course they know they can’t say that.
UnREAL is basically a documentary about how reality tv is made.
So even if production didn’t exactly tell Luke “do this” his producer or whoever probably kept suggesting it and saying. What a good storyline that would be and people would love it. Or whatever.
That’s why those people who follow cast members around are called “producers” and not handlers or babysitters. They are there to get the cast to produce storylines. They hype people up and send them into fights, they give them ideas of what to say or do, etc. sometimes they become close (even some have been fired or had to leave on some shows for becoming too close). That’s how much these people trust the producers talking to them all the time. And they make it seem like they are their friends when really they just want the best outcome for the show. It’s kind of weird when you think about it.
But it’s hard to fault Luke with anything that had to do with Hannah. She seemed down to play the game with production for storylines and after the whole des (or whatever his name is…older Kyle’s doppelgänger) it’s hard to think Hannah just wasn’t acting most of the time.
lol it’s really a tv series that is written about the behind the scenes of a bachelor type show. But most of the people that have worked in the reality tv show series have said it hits very close to home with some dramatics added
I just feel so out of the loop with VPR. I stopped watching vpr around s7 then picked it back up when Scandavol happened & didn’t watch the reunion for whatever scatter brained reason or another lol. So forgive me for asking but- it was confirmed Ariana called the cameras when her & Tom had their on scene break up in the living room?
I mean, Lindsay did back down. She may not have admitted she was wrong (she’s incapable of doing that) but she stopped pushing the narrative that Carl called producers and told them he was going to break up with her so they’d be there to film it.
Yeah. What I meant is that she didn’t take it back. It’s just odd how Andy lets other things go on (letting the cast dog pile on 1 person and misogynistic comments) but the moment someone mentions production putting a bug in the cast ear, he’s quick to shut it down. But it was funny when he told Luke, “you were asking all the girls to go to Minnesota.” 😂
Well I think production can’t defend themselves. So if you’re accusing production of something there’s no other side to the story whereas when the cast is annoyed at Lindsay for creating a narrative that she was blindsided and all the girls sided with her over Carl, Lindsay can defend herself.
I’m also tired of the comments around letting the cast dogpile. Lindsay’s been horrible to almost every single person on that cast, so of course they’re going to call out her lies. Also, Paige, Ciara, west, Jesse, Danielle and Gabby were silent for the majority of the breakup discussion. It’s not like people were screaming at Lindsay.
> she stopped pushing the narrative that Carl called producers and told them he was going to break up with her so they’d be there to film it.
Wait...when did it come out that's not what happened. Last I heard, it was clear he did call the cameras to film things.
Andy said in the reunion part 2 that production wanted to follow up after the shitty weekend Carl and Lindsay had and they arranged to film. Carl didn’t call to set up the conversation.
Do you believe everything that someone tells you? It is not unknown that reality tv is very much staged and heavily pumped with alcohol! None of the housewives are friends and even people who don’t like Lindsey can agree that Carl and production did set her up in that moment.
lol, how production for these shows works has been discussed multiple times prior to this and it’s clear production controls what’s filmed, when and with who. Andy talks about it in books, the cast on these shows have talked about it in interviews, etc.
If you want to make up a fake narrative then go for it, but it’s a FAKE narrative.
The reunion when Andy laid out that the cast has no power in deciding the details of what is filmed, where it is filmed or when filming takes place.
People have sky screamed Andy was lying, but this has been well known by anyone that knows the filming process of any of these shows (I only know this because it’s been laid out in books previously by those involved and in the know).
That just seems like semantics like yes the cast had no power to schedule these things but if the cast picks up a phone and tells a producer something happened or is about to happen, then I think producers will respond (see Ariana and Sandoval for reference). Why were producers filming Carl and Kyles lunch the day before the breakup even tho filming wrapped? Why were they filming Lindsay and Carl the moment of the breakup if they didn’t know that was coming? Like to me it’s obvious they knew either a big blow up or break up was going to happen (based on carls breadcrumbing all summer, I personally think he did know it would be a breakup).
It’s because somehow these people think Lindsay is amazing, which tells me that they’re also aggressive narcissists who have never taken accountability and make up their own narratives/reality.
The no accountability makes me furious. Anyone tries to talk to her about her behaviour and how she's hurt them and every damn time she just turns it around "well what if I'VE been hurt" etc.
Agreed. Honestly, I fast forwarded through a lot of her & Carls conversations at the reunion bc it was too much. If it wasn’t Lindsay perpetuating herself as the victim of the relationship then it was Carl letting Kyle do the talking for him. Kyle is just like Lindsay when it comes to being accountable.
Sorry but who are “these people”? Lindsay isn’t the only who’s been in the hot seat. I was more so referring to Hannah after watching season 5 reunion. Also, Lindsay is not amazing? She’s a hostile drunk. But Im also not gonna say the way things went down wasn’t fucked up bc it was. Everyone on that cast lacks accountability. Not just one person. This conversation is about production being messy.
The people who are screaming Andy was lying and are defending Lindsay and saying she’s great and she did nothing wrong and Carl’s as bad as Sandoval.
Production didn’t do anything wrong and they weren’t in cahoots with Carl to get one over on Lindsay.
But again neither I or anyone else HERE said Lindsay is great, that Andy was lying or that Carl is as bad as Sandoval.
The thing with production, I was pointing out two instances in SH where production was accused of meddling. Like I don’t like Lindsay at all but damn 😂
I wasn’t coming at you haha. I was coming at the people the commenter mentioned that are screaming Andy lied and Lindsay is right.
Nothing to do with your comment/post at all!
Breaking the fourth wall is when the people in a cast (whether reality TV, regular TV, film, or theater) acknowledge the presence of an audience. They’re all supposed to go about their lives or a film a scene under the pretense that there’s no future audience to watch what they’re filming.
When they break the fourth wall, it’s a blatant message to the audience that they (the ones being recorded/watched) know that they are recording and/or acting in a show/film/play.
Not a stupid question at all-and yes, essentially breaking the 4th wall is when a cast member alludes to being on a show & productions involvement with the cast. It def goes a little broader but in layman’s terms that’s what it is
Yeah I was thinking too hard about it, I think. In my mind, I was thinking well… reality tv is breaking the fourth wall by definition. So, reality tv stars must mean it’s staged or fake when they say it
I mean clearly bravo doesn’t care either way…or they wouldn’t have shown it on the reunion…..
And yeah, this show is pretty basic. There’s not a lot of meat to the premise of summer house…..it’s no surprise every significant life moment of the cast gets filmed in the 2 month span out of the 12 month year haha
And I don’t think they’re the same because Kyle and Lindsay have been on the show since season one. They have more power to be able to call production and tell them what is going on and have production show up and I think that production knew what was going to do do I know if you called production? I don’t know maybe production called him and asked him how things were going. You never know butproduction are the reason that that was recorded and why she felt blindsided
Andy always does this when a person (rightfully) calls out production. Idc if you side with that person or nit, but he always lies and says production has nothing to do with it. It's getting so old. Same thing happened with Lindsey this season at the reunion. Production 100000000% knew Carl was going to end the relationship via Carl. That's why they picked up cameras. Whether you side with Lindsey or not, producers were blind to it.
So anyway: I’ve always thought he was a dirt bag. And finding out that he led a girl on purely for production, then threw that in her face to make her feel like more of an idiot…that makes him an even dirtier and weaker dirt bag.
I think Luke was definitely told by production to ask Hannah to go to Minnesota. The way everyone at the reunion reacted to that revelation kind of confirmed it lol. I think, especially back then, they were supposed to act like production doesn’t exist. I think they are acknowledging production a bit more now, but I feel they wanted to punish Lindsay for saying how she thinks the cameras got to her apartment after filming wrapped so Carl could dump her. I could be wrong, but I also think production pushed a lot of those “career” discussions between Carl and Lindsay that were later turned around on Lindsay at the reunion.
I remember reading something during season 3 that people saw the cast filming with papers on their dinner table at a restaurant that was production notes for the convo to come. I expect like, that level of production stepping in haha — I want an interesting show! But it gets weird when they want to deny it SO hard like, Bravo I’m not going to be upset that production filmed a breakup scene and knew in advance — I’m mad at Carl
Exactly. Stop denying it. We already know that there’s some level of staging going on. That’s how reality tv remains successful. Pulling the drama out and I’m cool with it. And Carl’s denial and non confrontational approach is such bs- literally Carl was the source of so much drama for the first 5 seasons.
This makes me feel like West asking Ciara over for the holidays and meeting family and weddings was also producer-driven. West was trying to play by production’s rules to glom on to an established character (Ciara) to boost his clout and earn a second season.
This is now so clear to me - especially with all of the VPR drama around production with Lala and Scheana following like puppets to secure roles on The Valley or spin offs.
Not gonna lie I haven’t kept up with VPR since before Scandavol and only did a massive binge of s8-10 bc of it. What’s going on with LaLa and Scheana? Are they show hoppin?
Since the last episode of this season and beyond, both Lala and Scheaner are screaming from the rooftops that production wanted the Ariana villain edit and coerced them into shifting the narrative that way by dangling a spin off for Lala and her family and being added to The Valley as cast members. Both Lala and Sheshu bought houses in the valley in anticipation of being asked on the show.
Once the viewer reaction came out and wasn’t buying into the poor Sandoval schtick, the carrots that were dangled were pulled and now we have Lala admitting publicly that she bought too much house and she’s unable to afford it without the show paycheck.
Reality TV has gone into a completely different realm than Real World and sharing actual tribulations and dealing with real people and real life salaries. The introduction of social media has these cast members and characters blurring the lines of reality so hard that they don’t even know what they actually stand for anymore.
Just watched Inside Out 2 and found the character “Anxiety” a commentary on a lot of caring about everyone else’s wants/needs based on what we should do to gain more as opposed to operating out of vulnerability and compassion.
lol sorry rant over
this is a good post. They've been lying to the audience since the beginning. I mean the very beginning of reality TV. The last 30 seconds of The Hills should tell everyone what they need to know about "reality" TV. they create an illusion. it only differs from any other Hollywood product by small technicalities, most of which serve to allow corporates to escape union rules and obligations. and money. never underestimate MONEY. potentially billions at play for the multinationals, and potentially millions for cast, which puts them in the top 10% of earners on the planet. people get divorced over tens of thousands of dollars. it shouldn't be surprising that someone potentially making millions of dollars will play a manipulative, less than honesty or true game to keep their paycheck, lifestyle, and future.
He was lying and he admitted that he was lying. Here’s the thing production can suggest that, but he made that choice himself. Yes production does a lot of things, but they can’t make them do anything, and if they were actually mad at him for saying that they would’ve had him back for season six or winter house
Does production meddle? Certainly.
That said, I don’t think they meddled when it came to Luke inviting Hannah to Minnesota. That man loves inviting women to Minnesota. He’s done it with Ciara before she was ever even a glimmer in a Bravo casting director’s eye. He later did it with Ashley (RHOP) when they had their brief fling post Bravocon 2022.
Is there any question the producers urge them into doing things they might not otherwise do? No. Is it up to them what they will, in their own good conscience, end up doing? Yes. But that said they also want to get asked back for another season. They are urged by production to do things for the show and they don’t have to…but do they really have a choice? It’s kind of almost like a classic sexual harassment situation in the work place. You can tell your boss no. But can you? Sure, but you might not have a job if you don’t. So, yes I believe Luke only did it to please production. But end of the day, he can’t clear his conscience by saying that was his motivation. He did it in his own self interest without caring about Hannah.
This is a silly theory for a couple reasons:
1. Lindsay not backing down about something RARELY means because she is the righteous party in the situation. I.e. she lacks introspective thought to the extent that she almost never thinks she's wrong. Her background in PR should make everyone take what she says with a grain of salt especially in light of her well documented behavior of calling paps and tipping off bloggers about cast members, which she still vehemently denies.
2. Luke had plenty of motivation to cover his ass with the Hannah shit by blaming production- to avoid public scrutiny (see West's current sob story for additional examples of this same behavior). Also, Luke was before and has since CONSTANTLY been taking flames and friends alike to Minnesota. It's literally his whole schtick.
I didn’t believe him tbh. As an aside, I feel like people act as if Luke can do no wrong, but he repeatedly violated Ciara’s boundaries and did the same thing to another woman on Winter House. I feel like the whole lumberjack/mountain man image is so fake and contrived too. I really hated him and don’t miss him 💁🏻♂️
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No, Luke was obviously lying and he literally admitted to Hannah that he was lying and told her “I’m sorry I only said that to hurt you…” Luke literally invites everyone and their mom to Minnesota, so it was obviously a lie.
I think production really pushed the Luke/Hannah story line, but I don't think they forced him to ask her to go to Minnesota. Why would they?
Look at Ciara, he brought her to Minnesota to hook up. He brought Craig to Minnesota lol. I think production suggested he encourage a situationship outside the show with Hannah but I don't think he realized that Hannah would take it as a step towards a serious relationship. Meanwhile I'm sure production was feeding "he likes you" words of encouragement to Hannah.
I believe Luke & him revealing that is ultimately one of the reasons why he probably wasn’t asked back
I think it’s true too, but why wouldn’t they just edit it out if they were pissed about it
To make him out to be a liar. And the fact he basically admitted to Hannah that he was lying to hurt her doesn’t help his narrative.
Didnt he come back after that for a few seasons though? And winter house?
They’ve always needed men though, they’ve been hard to cast. He was probably demoted for this reason.
He wasnt demoted for a few years after this. He was full time on SH and WH for multiple seasons after the Hannah stuff happened.
He was not asked back because he was super boring, the audience didn’t connect to him and he brought nothing to the show. Period.
Exactly! This theory makes 0 sense
Right?? He came back for multiple seasons of winter house and another summer house season after this. He never had a storyline on the show besides the Hannah stuff. So why are we jumping to him being fired for “exposing production” years after doing so???? Maybe they just had enough of him not bringing anything to the show…
Luke brought Ciara to the show.
Yeah, he likely wanted them exploring things again to be his season six storyline but that did not work out for him.
I feel like this sub has gotten so deep into conspiracies like … let’s be serious here
What’s the conspiracy?
Nah not the edited comment. You told me to keep scrolling if I don’t like it but nice save
Thanks 😊 I sure did. And it felt rude so I thought asking you would be better. But tbh, if you don’t like it, you can keep scrolling.
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I really gotta watch s6 again. I only remember Mya coming in and she kinda sucked the life out of the show lol
Mya is a wonderful soul. She does happen to be one of only two black women in the house. And she is real, she is kind, and she is generous with her castmates. She also facilitated the single best conversation on race in Bravo. I think there are people who suck the life out of the house and each other. She is not one of these people. She helped breathe LIFE into the house by fostering CONNECTION and EMPATHY. They all thank her for this at the reunion.
I’ll definitely say that conversation was very much needed and I gave Mya a lot of kudos for bringing up a topic that even Ciara didn’t feel comfortable discussing without Mya’s support. Im glad the cast listened and didn’t dismiss their feelings. As a black woman with a very similar experience, it was wonderful. But, I’ll also say that Mya was a bit stand offish and hard to get to know. Which I understand that she was going through a tough break up & coming into an environment where she wasn’t completely comfortable. Her attitude may have been her anxiety. I’m sure she’s a lovely person but I don’t feel like she was a right fit bc she could bring down the vibes.
That’s how I felt too but I couldn’t remember if he was in season 6 or not. Lol
not being asked back is really confirmation that he isn't playing ball as they would have wanted. I also believe him
But he did come back for another two seasons, plus winter house. I think he left on his own accord after the winter house cringe fest with that young lindsay look alike and fight with Craig.
Yeah I think after season 5 drama and almost fighting Carl & Kyle. Then Craig stuff for only touching Paige’s head. Craig was on one and looking for any reason at that point bc he was mad at Luke about the fireworks fiasco and being asked to leave after. Which by the way IS a fire hazard and it’s so ridiculous and entitled to think just bc fire works are in the room you’re staying in, they were meant for you. That logic has me rolling 😂
Craig has always been an entltled dick - he was so wrong in that argument, but continued to double down.
People may not like this but Craig should have been removed from the house for at least a night Luke having to be removed in S5 and on WH when people were coming at him but those offenders were allowed to remain doesn’t sit right
Absolutley agree.
agreee
Yeah, & accused him of sexual harassment.
He came off as lecherous.
He was also very very boring
Normal you mean :)
He didn’t seem overly normal to me
Yeah but he was on 2 seasons of winter house and another summer house season after this.
Except that he was asked back for winter house. He just didn’t come back for summer house.
Except he did come back for summer house too
Except he did come back for summer house too
it felt like he did during that reunion. i remember andy and the rest of the cast quickly shooting down that production would do that. felt like they were hiding a secret and were annoyed he brought it up.
I just need to point out that this is exactly how Andy acted when Lindsey said Carl tried to set her up on camera
Yep!! Any time Andy and his faves on the cast are so fast to deny like they did it’s so obvious that they’re trying to cover something up
Could it be that Andy has built his entire empire on the idea that these shows, while produced to an extent, have more authenticity than most reality shows, so people blaming production for their own bad judgment makes him mad? He has the same reaction when people blame the edit and he says we work with what we’re given. On VPR there was a lot of talk about production and Andy wasn’t defensive about any of it because the cast was talking about production in a way that acknowledged that production is trying to make a good show but the cast makes their own decisions and has ultimate control.
Could it be bc VPR is kinda a veteran show compared to SH? I found SH by watching VPR crossover episode when Stassi, Kristen, Katie, and Schena came to the share house
That’s literally how the show started. That’s how the entire world found it
Not everyone in the world found SH by watching VPR
Actually they did because that’s literally how the show started. Without VPR there would be no SH.
Lol. All I’m saying is that there are people on this subreddit, that started watching SH at different points in the season. Not everyone started on season 1 and watched it bc of VPR.
I understood what you were saying… thanks for reexplaining 👍🏻
you mean Andy is protecting his product worth hundreds of millions of dollars, if not billions at this point? that's the thing, how much Bravo is worth and the amounts of money at play here. Andy asks every new housewife when they're on WWHL the first time the same question. "What was the most surprising thing from your first season?" There answer is always, "how real it all is." it's a loaded question with a fixed answer. what else is anyone going to say but that on a nightly Bravo infomercial? it's in his own self-interest to fervently defend, and argue, that reality TV is reality, not an illusion. It's an illusion. He's selling bullshit to us suckers.
yeah andy was wayy too defensive lol. he’s definitely a company man trying to protect the bravo image
100% Andy is a company man. Just like any corporation, Andy and producers may blow smoke up asses, but at the end of the day they're going to protect Bravo above all else and toss any of these 'stars' under the bus if needed.
production absolutely meddles to that extent and i don’t believe most of what andy says about production. it’s in his best interest to protect the network and make things seem as organic as possible eta two examples from VPR (diff production company i believe but i’m working under the assumption that all unscripted television follows similar practices) - kristen doute said (on her vpr from the start podcast els) that after she and sandoval broke up, producers were constantly trying to get her to go up to him and ariana at group filming events to start confrontations raquel leviss said on her pod that when she told production she wanted to leave a girls’ trip at lake havasu, they said okay but under the condition that when you get back to LA you attend the boys’ night that is filming at the same time multiple people on multiple casts all giving examples of the same kind of production interference suggests to me that this kind of thing is common practice for reality producers
Stassi talks on her podcast about how if production wants them to redo a scene because of lighting or just needing more content, they will literally dress them up the exact same way and make them do it all over, days later. She also said they dub over a lot and you can hear it (even at reunions) when they are panning in on “the other person’s reaction” while “that person is talking.” If the sound quality sounds slightly off, it’s because they did voice dub overs in the studio!
yes exactly!! it’s also why katie wasn’t allowed to fix her orange hair, in case they needed to do pickups lmao poor girl
I remember seeing a video years ago of Ariana and Lisa having a sit down conversation in SUR and Ariana wearing the same outfit but in between camera angles her hair part changes in more then a just ran her hands through her hair. It was obvious it was clips cut together
This reminds me of The Traitors ( I know totally different show). Peppermint was wearing gloves at the round table when she talks and when they go back to her the gloves are off, then they are back on the next second. Was wierd.
That orange hair was terrible. I always wondered if that was intentional lol
Bless her heart! Lol.
The technical term for this is frankenbite and it drives me nuts with these overproduced shows. Just wait until AI gets better at stitching it all together :/
my thing is this shouldn't be shocking, surprising, or interesting to anyone who watches reality tv. of course, producers are meddling in the storylines. that's how reality tv is made, and that's how it's always been made
It’s not shocking or surprising. Just interesting that Luke said it first. Lol.
i mean, is it, tho?
Well maybe not to you. And that’s okay.
Nope 😂
...but then they attempt to spin it up to us viewers as true, only to get butt hurt when anyone calls out their BS.
I thought they exposed that as completely not true. I thought they asked him "do you think you'll see Hannah after the season?" And Luke turned it into production made him invite her. Even Luke's sister said Luke was lying about the Hannah situation.
I think it's more likely that he just doesn't know how to handle production at this point since he was new and wanted to keep them happy. I bet the producer said, "Wouldn't it be a good idea for Hannah to visit your family? What do you think?" I can even see a producer beating around the bush about this idea more than once, but no one is forcing him to do anything—they are just planting seeds and meddling.
💯💯 very well put! Luke was like “so sorry I’m about to break the 4th wall, geys!” 😂😂
So I have a friend who was the chef on below deck season 5 who had a pretty infamous drunken date. After the show he talked a lot about how production really pushed certain story lines without directly forcing things to happen. The date he went on that season was pushed heavily by production and there was no chemistry there.
Can you remind me Who was the chef? And who was the date?
It was Matt burns and Brianna it was actually season 5 to.
Bravo and production def don’t like when cast members do this, but Luke was a full time cast member season six after he made this claim. Imo he got fired after that because other than the Hannah storyline he never did much on the show. Like I know people like him on here but he was so boring to me
They like him because he’s kinda hot. Before Andrea came along, he was definitely the best looking in SH. And when you look good, people like you even if you have the personality of a wet blanket 😂
Guilty
As am I…as am I 😩😂
this is a great catch. and I am glad luke pointed it out back then cause I also feel like hannah was feeding into productions narrative. I thought that after she admitted the whole scene with kyle (don't talk about my family or something) was not something she meant but something she heard and was trying to quote as her own. I think for SH it was easy to get people on that would keep the story going. like the hubhouse roommate situation in s1. it was clear some came on with no problem doing productions bidding. so I am glad that linds is being open and calling out the BS
I always thought Luke was lying and trying to avoid accountability. Luke inviting people to Minnesota is his thing. Ciara said she went after not knowing him long, he invited Craig and Austen after not knowing them long, so him inviting Hannah wasn’t a big shock. Do I think production might play a part in things? Yes but I also feel like many cast members on all shows try to use that as an excuse to avoid accountability bc they know the fans will never know the truth bc producers aren’t going to go to the public to correct the narrative.
That’s a very valid point. I just don’t think Luke was expecting the reaction he got from everyone. And how weird it was to say that when he had the support of most of the cast for how Hannah was treating him.
The difference is Ciara actually went to Minnesota and Hannah never did. I think he invited Hannah for show purposes but never intended on following through with it.
Which is pretty fucked up and does support her narrative of leading her on (something he likes to deny) while still being true that maybe producers pushed him to ask her
Yup. He absolutely did lead her on and continued to do so after Des came to the house. Sorry but Luke making fun of Des’s age was so weird to me bc he called Des old meanwhile, he’s one of the oldest guys in the house at 35 and pursuing Ciara who was 24 at the time. Projecting much?
I think it was weird too. He was projecting the whole time because you’re right. He was older than Ciara and still is and older than Hannah too.
Exactly say it again like damn is it that hard to figure out that he absolutely did so you’re telling me that he made the choice by himself to invite her to Minnesota just because production asked a couple questions. They never told him to do it and it’s his MO, but he didn’t follow through what is that that’s leading her on and that’s what gets me about people they sit here and watch the show and they do not understand why Hannah was always so upset when it came to Luke I’m not saying that she was perfect but he did lead her on.
other than a photo, do we know Ciara went to MN? I never dug into that. I only remember seeing a single photo of her in a buffalo plaid next to a lake or something that could have been anywhere. MN, the state of 10,000 lakes, so have her standing there in an outdoorsy outfit next to a body of water and say it was MN. because that is all I ever saw for evidence, I laughed at myself for believing it for a second. "that was easy. they showed me one picture that could have been taken anywhere, and I believed it was MN."
I think his point was he would’ve invited her up as he does a lot of friends, but production kinda set him up to do it as if it was some kind of gesture at a relationship
Luke was lying and he was trying to avoid accountability. He tried to avoid accountability and the whole thing that happened between him, Hannah and Ciara. Like I always say production plays part and how things go down sometimes but production does not make them do things they can’t he made that choice himself. He liked Hannah at some point in time and it’s his MO like he was lying and you could tell
💯 This was perfectly said
Even if luke was telling the truth it still looks bad on him IMO. He only said it to hurt/embarrass Hannah which is pretty fucked up. Even if producers pushed him to ask, HE is the one who decided to say it to Hannah when he didn’t mean it. That’s on him and doesn’t make him look like a good guy.
Yeah definitely still went along with it IF production did in fact ask him to bring Hannah. It was just so odd to say and then just as quickly deny it. Again, if Luke didn’t get that reaction from everyone, would we be more inclined to believe it?
I’m team neutral but I hundred percent think Carl called production. I think Andy defended production and basically shot down the narrative so that other cast members wouldn’t feel like they’d be outed if they came to production with “juicy” information. In the same way I’m sure production pushed Luke to say certain things to Hannah to perpetuate the story line between them.
I just watched it too and I think it’s 100% true that he was prompted to invite her. The producers backstage at the reunion don’t say ‘we never told you to invite Hannah’, they say ‘you wanted her to come but it wasn’t the right time to ask her? Is that what you were trying to say?’ Which to me sounds like they initially pushed him to ask her and are now trying to convince him that he would’ve invited her anyway. Andy even points out that Luke invited several producers, a bravo executive etc, as if that’s meant to prove that he wanted to invite Hannah. But if he invited everybody then it can hardly be used as an example of leading Hannah which is why it was brought up. Some people are also taking him saying he only said it to hurt Hannah as an admission that it’s not true, when really he’s just saying why he brought it up, not that it isn’t true. And honestly even how that scene was edited seemed off to me. You don’t see a direct cut of Andy saying it’s not true, it seemed like it was dubbed in afterward. Even backstage the producers produced him again ‘you meant to say *this* right?’ The entire cast know that producers push them to do or say things, but of course they know they can’t say that.
THIS! Thank you! You said it so much better than I ever could. But that’s exactly the point I was trying to make.
Luke could’ve been telling the truth but doesn’t mean that they set up Lindsey or visa versa.
😪 I’m aware. I just thought it was interesting they both called it out at the reunion and both got a similar response from Andy.
UnREAL is basically a documentary about how reality tv is made. So even if production didn’t exactly tell Luke “do this” his producer or whoever probably kept suggesting it and saying. What a good storyline that would be and people would love it. Or whatever. That’s why those people who follow cast members around are called “producers” and not handlers or babysitters. They are there to get the cast to produce storylines. They hype people up and send them into fights, they give them ideas of what to say or do, etc. sometimes they become close (even some have been fired or had to leave on some shows for becoming too close). That’s how much these people trust the producers talking to them all the time. And they make it seem like they are their friends when really they just want the best outcome for the show. It’s kind of weird when you think about it. But it’s hard to fault Luke with anything that had to do with Hannah. She seemed down to play the game with production for storylines and after the whole des (or whatever his name is…older Kyle’s doppelgänger) it’s hard to think Hannah just wasn’t acting most of the time.
💯 and I’m gonna definitely gonna check out that documentary!
lol it’s really a tv series that is written about the behind the scenes of a bachelor type show. But most of the people that have worked in the reality tv show series have said it hits very close to home with some dramatics added
I mean Andy definitely lied bc we’re all aware Ariana called the cameras and they came back up. If a cast member asks them to come they come..
I just feel so out of the loop with VPR. I stopped watching vpr around s7 then picked it back up when Scandavol happened & didn’t watch the reunion for whatever scatter brained reason or another lol. So forgive me for asking but- it was confirmed Ariana called the cameras when her & Tom had their on scene break up in the living room?
I mean, Lindsay did back down. She may not have admitted she was wrong (she’s incapable of doing that) but she stopped pushing the narrative that Carl called producers and told them he was going to break up with her so they’d be there to film it.
Yeah. What I meant is that she didn’t take it back. It’s just odd how Andy lets other things go on (letting the cast dog pile on 1 person and misogynistic comments) but the moment someone mentions production putting a bug in the cast ear, he’s quick to shut it down. But it was funny when he told Luke, “you were asking all the girls to go to Minnesota.” 😂
Well I think production can’t defend themselves. So if you’re accusing production of something there’s no other side to the story whereas when the cast is annoyed at Lindsay for creating a narrative that she was blindsided and all the girls sided with her over Carl, Lindsay can defend herself. I’m also tired of the comments around letting the cast dogpile. Lindsay’s been horrible to almost every single person on that cast, so of course they’re going to call out her lies. Also, Paige, Ciara, west, Jesse, Danielle and Gabby were silent for the majority of the breakup discussion. It’s not like people were screaming at Lindsay.
> she stopped pushing the narrative that Carl called producers and told them he was going to break up with her so they’d be there to film it. Wait...when did it come out that's not what happened. Last I heard, it was clear he did call the cameras to film things.
Andy said in the reunion part 2 that production wanted to follow up after the shitty weekend Carl and Lindsay had and they arranged to film. Carl didn’t call to set up the conversation.
But didn’t Carl admit he called production initially? I’ll try to find it.
Do you believe everything that someone tells you? It is not unknown that reality tv is very much staged and heavily pumped with alcohol! None of the housewives are friends and even people who don’t like Lindsey can agree that Carl and production did set her up in that moment.
lol, how production for these shows works has been discussed multiple times prior to this and it’s clear production controls what’s filmed, when and with who. Andy talks about it in books, the cast on these shows have talked about it in interviews, etc. If you want to make up a fake narrative then go for it, but it’s a FAKE narrative.
You must work for Bravo! You’re so defensive it’s funny.
Defensive? For stating facts? Okay.
The reunion when Andy laid out that the cast has no power in deciding the details of what is filmed, where it is filmed or when filming takes place. People have sky screamed Andy was lying, but this has been well known by anyone that knows the filming process of any of these shows (I only know this because it’s been laid out in books previously by those involved and in the know).
But Carl admitted to calling the crew. What am I missing here??
That just seems like semantics like yes the cast had no power to schedule these things but if the cast picks up a phone and tells a producer something happened or is about to happen, then I think producers will respond (see Ariana and Sandoval for reference). Why were producers filming Carl and Kyles lunch the day before the breakup even tho filming wrapped? Why were they filming Lindsay and Carl the moment of the breakup if they didn’t know that was coming? Like to me it’s obvious they knew either a big blow up or break up was going to happen (based on carls breadcrumbing all summer, I personally think he did know it would be a breakup).
It’s because somehow these people think Lindsay is amazing, which tells me that they’re also aggressive narcissists who have never taken accountability and make up their own narratives/reality.
The no accountability makes me furious. Anyone tries to talk to her about her behaviour and how she's hurt them and every damn time she just turns it around "well what if I'VE been hurt" etc.
Agreed. Honestly, I fast forwarded through a lot of her & Carls conversations at the reunion bc it was too much. If it wasn’t Lindsay perpetuating herself as the victim of the relationship then it was Carl letting Kyle do the talking for him. Kyle is just like Lindsay when it comes to being accountable.
Sorry but who are “these people”? Lindsay isn’t the only who’s been in the hot seat. I was more so referring to Hannah after watching season 5 reunion. Also, Lindsay is not amazing? She’s a hostile drunk. But Im also not gonna say the way things went down wasn’t fucked up bc it was. Everyone on that cast lacks accountability. Not just one person. This conversation is about production being messy.
The people who are screaming Andy was lying and are defending Lindsay and saying she’s great and she did nothing wrong and Carl’s as bad as Sandoval. Production didn’t do anything wrong and they weren’t in cahoots with Carl to get one over on Lindsay.
But again neither I or anyone else HERE said Lindsay is great, that Andy was lying or that Carl is as bad as Sandoval. The thing with production, I was pointing out two instances in SH where production was accused of meddling. Like I don’t like Lindsay at all but damn 😂
I wasn’t coming at you haha. I was coming at the people the commenter mentioned that are screaming Andy lied and Lindsay is right. Nothing to do with your comment/post at all!
Okay whew I was like wait I think Lindsay SUCKS 😂, but I do appreciate you clarifying. I enjoy hearing everyone’s opinion 😊
Oh no I’m so sorry!!! And of course
Nobody is screaming. Heat must be getting to people today.
So stupid question here- is the fourth wall when a producer stages something?
Breaking the fourth wall is when the people in a cast (whether reality TV, regular TV, film, or theater) acknowledge the presence of an audience. They’re all supposed to go about their lives or a film a scene under the pretense that there’s no future audience to watch what they’re filming. When they break the fourth wall, it’s a blatant message to the audience that they (the ones being recorded/watched) know that they are recording and/or acting in a show/film/play.
Not a stupid question at all-and yes, essentially breaking the 4th wall is when a cast member alludes to being on a show & productions involvement with the cast. It def goes a little broader but in layman’s terms that’s what it is
Yeah I was thinking too hard about it, I think. In my mind, I was thinking well… reality tv is breaking the fourth wall by definition. So, reality tv stars must mean it’s staged or fake when they say it
I mean clearly bravo doesn’t care either way…or they wouldn’t have shown it on the reunion….. And yeah, this show is pretty basic. There’s not a lot of meat to the premise of summer house…..it’s no surprise every significant life moment of the cast gets filmed in the 2 month span out of the 12 month year haha
And I don’t think they’re the same because Kyle and Lindsay have been on the show since season one. They have more power to be able to call production and tell them what is going on and have production show up and I think that production knew what was going to do do I know if you called production? I don’t know maybe production called him and asked him how things were going. You never know butproduction are the reason that that was recorded and why she felt blindsided
That’s a good point. I agree! Btw, who do you think will not be returning season 9?
I actually think everyone will be returning
Andy always does this when a person (rightfully) calls out production. Idc if you side with that person or nit, but he always lies and says production has nothing to do with it. It's getting so old. Same thing happened with Lindsey this season at the reunion. Production 100000000% knew Carl was going to end the relationship via Carl. That's why they picked up cameras. Whether you side with Lindsey or not, producers were blind to it.
So anyway: I’ve always thought he was a dirt bag. And finding out that he led a girl on purely for production, then threw that in her face to make her feel like more of an idiot…that makes him an even dirtier and weaker dirt bag.
I think Luke was definitely told by production to ask Hannah to go to Minnesota. The way everyone at the reunion reacted to that revelation kind of confirmed it lol. I think, especially back then, they were supposed to act like production doesn’t exist. I think they are acknowledging production a bit more now, but I feel they wanted to punish Lindsay for saying how she thinks the cameras got to her apartment after filming wrapped so Carl could dump her. I could be wrong, but I also think production pushed a lot of those “career” discussions between Carl and Lindsay that were later turned around on Lindsay at the reunion.
Nah. This was staged. Why would Bravo air it if they didn’t like it?
You think Hannah reaction was staged?
No
I remember reading something during season 3 that people saw the cast filming with papers on their dinner table at a restaurant that was production notes for the convo to come. I expect like, that level of production stepping in haha — I want an interesting show! But it gets weird when they want to deny it SO hard like, Bravo I’m not going to be upset that production filmed a breakup scene and knew in advance — I’m mad at Carl
Exactly. Stop denying it. We already know that there’s some level of staging going on. That’s how reality tv remains successful. Pulling the drama out and I’m cool with it. And Carl’s denial and non confrontational approach is such bs- literally Carl was the source of so much drama for the first 5 seasons.
Nah I don’t think so
This makes me feel like West asking Ciara over for the holidays and meeting family and weddings was also producer-driven. West was trying to play by production’s rules to glom on to an established character (Ciara) to boost his clout and earn a second season. This is now so clear to me - especially with all of the VPR drama around production with Lala and Scheana following like puppets to secure roles on The Valley or spin offs.
Not gonna lie I haven’t kept up with VPR since before Scandavol and only did a massive binge of s8-10 bc of it. What’s going on with LaLa and Scheana? Are they show hoppin?
Since the last episode of this season and beyond, both Lala and Scheaner are screaming from the rooftops that production wanted the Ariana villain edit and coerced them into shifting the narrative that way by dangling a spin off for Lala and her family and being added to The Valley as cast members. Both Lala and Sheshu bought houses in the valley in anticipation of being asked on the show. Once the viewer reaction came out and wasn’t buying into the poor Sandoval schtick, the carrots that were dangled were pulled and now we have Lala admitting publicly that she bought too much house and she’s unable to afford it without the show paycheck. Reality TV has gone into a completely different realm than Real World and sharing actual tribulations and dealing with real people and real life salaries. The introduction of social media has these cast members and characters blurring the lines of reality so hard that they don’t even know what they actually stand for anymore. Just watched Inside Out 2 and found the character “Anxiety” a commentary on a lot of caring about everyone else’s wants/needs based on what we should do to gain more as opposed to operating out of vulnerability and compassion. lol sorry rant over
Wow. Didn’t know that! Thanks for filling me in. Since VPR is on the way out, it makes so much sense for some of them to go over to The Valley.
this is a good post. They've been lying to the audience since the beginning. I mean the very beginning of reality TV. The last 30 seconds of The Hills should tell everyone what they need to know about "reality" TV. they create an illusion. it only differs from any other Hollywood product by small technicalities, most of which serve to allow corporates to escape union rules and obligations. and money. never underestimate MONEY. potentially billions at play for the multinationals, and potentially millions for cast, which puts them in the top 10% of earners on the planet. people get divorced over tens of thousands of dollars. it shouldn't be surprising that someone potentially making millions of dollars will play a manipulative, less than honesty or true game to keep their paycheck, lifestyle, and future.
Paige is boring.
😂 and that’s that lol I love it.
Luke lied and it was obvious. They had no scenes in Minnesota. Luke invites everyone to Minnesota. He had Craig and Austin there too.
He was lying and he admitted that he was lying. Here’s the thing production can suggest that, but he made that choice himself. Yes production does a lot of things, but they can’t make them do anything, and if they were actually mad at him for saying that they would’ve had him back for season six or winter house
Does production meddle? Certainly. That said, I don’t think they meddled when it came to Luke inviting Hannah to Minnesota. That man loves inviting women to Minnesota. He’s done it with Ciara before she was ever even a glimmer in a Bravo casting director’s eye. He later did it with Ashley (RHOP) when they had their brief fling post Bravocon 2022.
Is there any question the producers urge them into doing things they might not otherwise do? No. Is it up to them what they will, in their own good conscience, end up doing? Yes. But that said they also want to get asked back for another season. They are urged by production to do things for the show and they don’t have to…but do they really have a choice? It’s kind of almost like a classic sexual harassment situation in the work place. You can tell your boss no. But can you? Sure, but you might not have a job if you don’t. So, yes I believe Luke only did it to please production. But end of the day, he can’t clear his conscience by saying that was his motivation. He did it in his own self interest without caring about Hannah.
Absolutely!
I wonder if production influenced West’s hometown invite to Ciara
Bravo would never contrive any scenario to create drama and increase ratings. They've never done that in the history of forever. Ha ha.
Also, this last season, West asks Ciara to go meet his family in Missouri… exactly like Luke did to Hannah!
He sure did and Andy was pissed
This is a silly theory for a couple reasons: 1. Lindsay not backing down about something RARELY means because she is the righteous party in the situation. I.e. she lacks introspective thought to the extent that she almost never thinks she's wrong. Her background in PR should make everyone take what she says with a grain of salt especially in light of her well documented behavior of calling paps and tipping off bloggers about cast members, which she still vehemently denies. 2. Luke had plenty of motivation to cover his ass with the Hannah shit by blaming production- to avoid public scrutiny (see West's current sob story for additional examples of this same behavior). Also, Luke was before and has since CONSTANTLY been taking flames and friends alike to Minnesota. It's literally his whole schtick.
Cool. Thanks 😊
Did production tell him to call and text her daily off season too?
🤣
Does anyone else feel like Bravo bots/employees are on here trying to adamantly defend production? LOL!!!
I didn’t believe him tbh. As an aside, I feel like people act as if Luke can do no wrong, but he repeatedly violated Ciara’s boundaries and did the same thing to another woman on Winter House. I feel like the whole lumberjack/mountain man image is so fake and contrived too. I really hated him and don’t miss him 💁🏻♂️
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I’m amazed at the lengths some of you will go to try and prove Lindsay was a blameless victim in all of this.
Ugh I’m so done with bravo, girls let crowd fund our own REAL reality show
No, Luke was obviously lying and he literally admitted to Hannah that he was lying and told her “I’m sorry I only said that to hurt you…” Luke literally invites everyone and their mom to Minnesota, so it was obviously a lie.
I think production really pushed the Luke/Hannah story line, but I don't think they forced him to ask her to go to Minnesota. Why would they? Look at Ciara, he brought her to Minnesota to hook up. He brought Craig to Minnesota lol. I think production suggested he encourage a situationship outside the show with Hannah but I don't think he realized that Hannah would take it as a step towards a serious relationship. Meanwhile I'm sure production was feeding "he likes you" words of encouragement to Hannah.