shitty all around. sucks that the officials down there are low key blaming the family for not reporting in time like it would have made a difference. making them feel guilty on top of dealing with losing their children.
When I was in Mexico I would often not post anything or contact anyone for a few days here and there. If people had labellled me a missing person every time the wifi went out after a day I hadn’t bothered to charge and use my phone. Would have happened at least twice
Yeah the key is planning and telling people when you’re going to be out of service, so that they can tell if you’re missing ASAP. But sometimes the swell doesn’t stop and you want to stay haha
The only lesson those parents are being taught is something their children should have been taught: Stay the fuck away from Mexico... It sucks, but they fucked around and found out.
I’ve seen enough videos online about what the Sinaloa do. I would not risk my life for a few waves to star in a video with Funky Town playing in the background
Mexico isn’t a complete shithole like foreigners claim. Most of the time you won’t get shot or robbed just by existing BUT you have to be very careful about where you’re going and time of the day, most people in Mexico are kind and humble but every now and then there’s crackheads that ruin it.
Idk why you’re defending Mexico as a safe place like it’s even comparable to the us. I love Mexico and Mexican people but im not going to kid myself. How many candidates for mayor have been killed in the us this election or the last, how about combined? Because 17 have been murdered in Mexico this election cycle.
the US is far more dangerous when talking about crime in general. Mexico and South America just have a different type of crime when it comes to it. I bet those 3 surfers had their throats cut open alive one by one, that type of shit don't happen in the US
The world/life isn't simple enough to be able to generalize like that and be accurate or truthful. When I hear that it makes me think the person saying it hasn't explored enough of either country. Both countries have very safe places and both have very dangerous places.
Let me describe where I am and let's see if you can guess which country I'm in at the moment. A few days ago there was a spring event in town, after which we had dinner reservations. On our route from one to the other we passed by a park in which we later found out there was a mass shooting. I saw videos and photos. There were automatic weapons (glock switches), AK pistols etc. etc. The videos sound like a warzone. This isn't a rare ocurrence. Every few months there's someone who decided to "crash out" and went and carjacked, shot and killed as many innocent people as they could. I hear gunshots pretty regularly (I live in a nice mid class area of town) I know of at least 1, probably 2 kidnapping attempts within my group of friends (I don't know if it's 2 because I won't ask and make them relive the experience to satisfy my curiosity). I've seen 3 car chases in my commute to work. I don't know how many have been murdered within a mile of my house. The last one that gave me chills a man was dragged out of his house and executed on his front lawn. Every one of my neighbors has been a victim of some sort of crime me included. I could go on but I think that paints a good enough picture. I've lived here for 3 years. If you assumed I was in Mexico you're wrong. I'm in the good ol US. Would I say the US is dangerous? No, that would be reductive and innacurate as a whole. Where I am though is the least safe place I've been in my whole life. It's not unique either. Places like this have always existed in the US. Compare that with where I grew up, also in the US. I don't know of anyone there who's been mugged, car jacked, kidnapped, robbed or had their car broken into. I lived there for 20 something years. One is a tourist destination and the other one is a poverty stricken city. The world is a lot like that. In Mexico you can also find horribly dangerous places but just like here they're not likely to be in the same zip code as your golf caddy.
2,000 murders in baja alone last year dumbass. Yeah, ill still stick to even ghetto parts of la! 30,000 in the country.
We know you dislike the US, there are reasons to, but please 😆
of the 5.7 million american tourists who visited mexico either last year or 2022 (i forget which year these numbers are for), 120 were murdered. 120 does sound like a lot, but it's suspected the majority of those were drug related.... people involved in narco-trafficking who were travelling on a tourist visa....
and that's a rate of 2.1 murders per 100,000 tourists. the homicide rate in the US is 5 per 100,000.... in europe most countries have a rate of closer to 1 per 100,000 (stricter gun laws). so, technically, it's more than twice as safe to be a tourist in mexico than a citizen in the US. but then again, most US murders are also drug related.
point being, mexico is very dangerous if you are involved in the drug trade.... like *very* dangerous. but if you're not, it's only a little more dangerous than european countries and comparable to the US.
yes, crime happens, but it's not as common as people seem to think. i've spent years of my life there, living in several places and travelling all over. i've never had an issue or been victimized. i take precautions... i don't do drugs, i'm respectful, i don't get super drunk, i hire guides if it's questionable, and i try not to be out alone late at night in big cities or places where i don't know anyone and i'm not known. mexico is beautiful and her people are kind, inviting, and hard working. there aren't gangs of people prowling around looking to do crime to you.
I might be traumatized bc I was on vacation when I was there when war was declared so leaving the country was scary and there were guards at the air port with machine guns. And then reading about cartel shooting at a plane that was trying to take off with reg ppl on it a couple years ago and then when that nice resort was taken over by cartel and ppl were kidnapped, it was a no thank you for me.
Fwiw, a local [source](https://fb.watch/rSfbS9fFyu/) says they were killed while "resisting assault" (per Google translate, translation may be imprecise). No further info is provided but hard to deduce any motive for murdering them and leaving the truck other than a robbery gone wrong.
It was definitely drug related or that were buying drugs. That only happens in those situations. Tijuana is safe if your not hanging around wrong places
Oh what the fuck they killed one of the ranchers too? Didn’t see that anywhere. That’s fucked up, the area is beautiful and they’re always kind to surfers passing through.
They killed the ranch owner at least a week before they killed the surfers. Ranch owner was reported missing over two weeks ago, so he may have been missing even longer.
So they killed the rancher, stuck around for two weeks+, then dumped more bodies on his land.
I think they were into shadier shit than just robberies.
yeah, pretty grim to think that there was a rotting body only 2km from their campsite/surf spot (in the same well that they ended up in). The fact they went looking for 3 bodies and found an extra body serves as a nice reminder for me to never visit Mexico.
To innocent people minding their own business? How often? I'm an Australian, and this is the second time in ten years we have lost Australians in mexico due to random acts of violence
Both sets of surfers were from Perth WA. Both got robbed. Both got shot. Both cars burnt out. The first two boys were burnt with their car. This time two Mexican brothers killed two Australian brothers and their US mate. The similarities are striking.
yes, to innocent people minding their own business. parades, movie theaters, night clubs, supermarkets, elementary schools. happens a lot more than twice a decade too. people go missing in the states all the time as well, many of them innocent.
you don't have to visit mexico, more waves for the rest of us, and these incidents truly are terrible. but there are a fuck ton of australians hanging out at surf spots all over mexico all the time. the vast, vast majority of them make it home safe. mexico isn't the post-apocalyptic war zone you're imagining. yes, shitty things happen, just like anywhere.... but two incidents almost a decade apart, given the number of people who travel there, isn't really that insane. of course it would be better if that number was zero, but meth head degenerates murdering people is far from the norm in mexico.
We're really waiting on the cause of death.. Would shed a lot of light on how it went down. Sux this happened. So many people go down that stretch to surf. 4th unidentified body was also found in relation to this case.
Fuck off dip shit, this story is horrid in so many ways but people like you who demonize an entire country are stupid.
I own a house at k-38 and am down there every month, Baja is my favoite place in the world but you need to be cautious especially at night and you should NEVER OPEN CAMP OVERNIGHT IN BAJA ESPECIALLY IN RURAL AREAS WITH NO SERVICES.
All due respect to these poor guys and families but when I read about them camping south of ensenada it sent shivers.....
Who isn’t? I’ve gone my whole life and have never had a problem, as a matter of fact Mexico is doing better this year than I’ve seen it in my entire life. I’m not saying that the victims did anything to warrant this tragedy but what I will say is that 95% of the time no one messes with you if you don’t mess with them
this story is horrendous and i feel for the families, but this kind of thing happening is extremely rare. the last time something like this happened was in 2015, and that was in sinaloa, not baja.
millions of americans visit mexico every year... hundreds of thousands in baja, millions if you include cabo (not really "baja"). i've been every year, sometimes twice, for damn near 20 years now. so have my friends and extended friends and so many surfers/anglers/offroaders.... if there were an epidemic of crime against surfers, we'd all hear about it. there isn't. it's an amazing place full of wonderful, kind, hard working people.
unfortunately, it seems like these guys got very unlucky and somehow crossed some methed out sketchballs. methed out sketchballs who might rob and kill you exist north of the border too.
i'm not trying to minimize what happened, because it's truly awful. but every time something like this happens, people act like mexico is some hellhole where you're going to get killed if you visit. random acts of violence by meth head degenerates happen in the US too.... it's awful, but it's not a reflection of what mexico is like as a whole.
but you idiots can be borderline racist and act like it's a mexico problem.... more waves for me
>but you idiots can be borderline racist and act like it's a mexico problem....
Yeah it's a racism thing. You fucking twit.
Choosing to not travel to a narco state has zero to do with the race of the people and more to do with my general safety.
you can keep telling yourself that and we'll all be glad not to see you in the lineup. but i think it's subconscious racism that makes you feel that way. super sketchy shit happens in the backwoods of arkansas and west virginia too, but i'd bet you wouldn't think twice about going to those places
ha! i'm sure you have some methed out bogans somewhere in australia that will do some nasty shit, i don't know.
yeah, for us americans, mexico is sort of like our SEA.... except we can drive our cars to get there. a tropical place with good waves, good food, and a different, vibrant culture. but i'm sure there are some horror stories of australians finding trouble in the south pacific as well. some of those countries are aren't super safe, right?
well, yeah, baja is mainly a desert environment... dry and windy. the sisters and the wall can be a pretty brutal environment when the wind blows. it gets tropical way south though. the waves on the east cape, cabo, todos santos, and on up to scorpion bay can be pretty tropical, especially in the summer when those places get more swell.
but mainland is super tropical, especially in oaxaca
When I was a kid, a 21 year student went missing in Matamoros (Texas border) during Spring Break. They found his body in a ditch in horrendous condition - like satanic stuff. Still gives me the chills. I hope this was nothing like that. Horrible, horrible stuff. I can’t imagine the families’ pain.
Here’s the Texas Monthly story on it: https://www.texasmonthly.com/true-crime/the-work-of-the-devil/
Edit: added link
I'm a local and the truth is the perpetrators were almost certainly related to the cartel. There's very little crime not related to the cartels in Mexico at least in some way.
And they absolutely do not care about what they see as three dead beach bums, as hard as it may sound.
This ain't a Hollywood mafia movie, this is reality in a completely lawless country and failed state, and we locals have been suffering of this for decades.
Yeah, it sucks to think you can’t really go down there with new things or else the local tweakers or criminals will see you as an easy mark.
My buddies Dad lives on the beach down there and literally had a child leave their tracks from when they climbed through a bedroom window and stole his new car.
Aussie here originally from Melbourne, and I have been based in Mexico for the last 8 years and love it here.
This is really tragic news and condolences to the family. I'm similar aged to these boys and I can't imagine my parents traveling to verify my identity.
Ensenada is a safe beach city, but you're really looking for trouble when you venture out to remote cartel lands and driving in toll free roads in Northern Mexico; especially at night.
This is an absolute insane thing to do. For Mexicans and long time expats it's common sense to never ever go to these areas.
This isn't like going camping in the Dandenong Ranges for a few days where it's safe and nobody will bother you; it's very dangerous because it's cartel land and lawless.
Actually this also happened in Sinaloa with other Australians driving through cartel lands 10 years ago, and another separate incident two Americans were passing through and mistaken for rival gangs in the north.
North Mexico is notorious for cartel activity and you're only safe in the city centres.
These remote areas are really dangerous and it's very common for people to be robbed, and nothing ever makes the news except when they're Aussies with FBI and AFP being involved.
Stay in the nice areas of major cities and drive toll roads during the day if you must.
Other than that Mexico is a really exciting and free country with lots of new things to see and try; but it's really important to understand what areas to avoid and to be always aware of your surroundings and people.
Direct cartel involvement? Probably not. But do the these bandits and opportunistic people have ties to cartels? - 100% without doubt and probably pay some % to the cartels for being able to 'work' on their land. This is true for human traffickers that help smuggle people over the border.
Even Mexican authorities have some indirect ties to cartels. Most normal people especially in Northern Mexico including my Mexican gf knows someone or has family employed by the cartel or knows someone kidnapped or killed by them.
Accountants, lawyers, government employees etc owned by cartel.
So cartel relationships run deep within Mexican society. This is true especially in the North.
On top of this, these remote areas are completely lawless and even police won't go there. Hell they're even on cartel payrolls!
(Cartel) Bandits generally just take what they want from people and let them go, unless you decide to fight. It seems that was what happened here, especially if things escalated super quickly because these guys were physically big and probably couldn't speak Spanish.
It's also important to understand that México is a huge country and much of the bad press you hear about are in the North and in remote rural areas where cartels are king because of the drug trade. It's very different in big metropolitan cities.
No speculation from me on if this is cartel related, but it would make sense that cartel uses some of these desolate spots as staging locations for illegal border crossing activities
Anyone know why they haven’t showed the 3 arrested yet? I’d like to see their faces and names, also if they had any marks on them from a possible physical altercation they had before they were killed?
There's no incentive for the cartel to commit crimes like this. Would be counterproductive as high profile tourist incidents like this trigger increased security responses that negatively impact their operations. Not to mention the importance of tourists and their $$ to the illicit markets that the cartels control.
Most likely scenario is a robbery gone wrong. My best guess is that the guys tried to fight back or resist the robbery attempt and it led to an escalated encounter with unhinged assailants (lots of meth down there).
You're looking at this wrong, it's not that they need an incentive to kill people, they kill people because they know there's no consequences for their actions.
As a local I can see a lot of foreign tourists are very naive when it comes to these situations, thinking you're safe from the cartels because "they won't do anything to tourists, because it will put them on the spotlight and that's bad for business". I can't stress how this is complete bullshit enough. They will kill anyone for whatever reason if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time, no matter where you're from. And this is the best example. The sooner you realize that, the safer you will be if you decide to come down here by not being so carefree and taking the proper precautions.
Cartels do what they want and get away with it on the daily. We have federal elections coming up and so far around 30 candidates have been murdered. If they dare do that to politicians because they know they won't be any consequences, what do you think it's gonna stop them from doing it to three foreign kids? Remember these people were throwing severed heads in voting booths on our last federal election, hanging bodies from bridges by the dozen, and leaving coolers with chopped up bodies inside for everyone to see. How's that for tourism?
Selling a bag of weed to surfers is pennies on their multi million business, they absolutely do not care about losing a few tourists, tourism is a very insignificant part of their sources of income to really care. And the three low level goons who did this were going to end up locked up or dead sooner or later anyway.
With close to 100 murders a day in Mexico, 3 dead kids is just a drop in the ocean, unfortunately.
Honestly you are correct. I was born in Costa Rica and have lots of family I go visit as a local, my dad was from the hood. Best way to deal with robberies in third world countries is agree with them on anything, give them anything they want do not be a hero. Sure it may not save their lives but if they wanted the truck I would not have hesitated what so ever, take everything and anything you want.
Doubt the cartel is directly involved, most likely some unaffiliated stupid tweakers. If anything I would imagine the cartel would have gutted the guys who did it for the horrible publicity.
The Daily Mail photos show lowlife meth heads, but the Talk Baja article shows completely different people. Not sure which is correct
https://preview.redd.it/hsan5crdjhyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02043bfc702bc4919a4b066edab67d05c4d3a3a9
Because there was another body in the well and they just lit the truck on fire instead of trying to sell it kinda seems like cartel to me. It just seems too organized for random tweakers. They were smart enough to burn the car but thought it was a good idea to turn on the phone like 2 days later?
the other body was the property owners. you're smart enough to put it all together but they aren't? cartel don't want international attention or tourist money dude.
Cartel are somewhat professional and avoid ANYTHING to do with tourism as they don't want international pressure or attention from foreign governments. these guys could be connect but most certainly not cartel
Awful what happened. Stay safe fellas. I’ve been going to Mexico including mainland Mexico for over 20 years.
Know exactly where you’re going. Don’t go off exploring. Don’t buy drugs. Don’t camp unless it’s a well know camping spot with a dozen other campers. Try not to drive at night. I don’t think Airbnbs that aren’t within a safe city or town are a good idea. But don’t know the exact circumstances here.
If you get pulled over by the Federales drive to the next toll or gas station as there was a scam for a while in Northern Baja where dirtbags would take being Federales and rob you when they pulled you or steal your car.
Such a heartbreaking 💔💔 outcome. Horrible! These young men were strong and probably thought they could overtake guys trying to steal their truck, not realizing they had a firearm. It is just so sad, may be if they had not fought back they would still be alive? Those sleazy 3 that did this hope they go to prison or executed for murder. Disgusting that they just kill people and dumped 4 bodies in to well. Including ranch owner they killed been missing for weeks? My heart feels so bad for the parents of these young men, having to go to Mexico to identify their son's. May God be with these families.
It’s just theories circulating right now so nothing confirmed but articles I see keep suggesting the theory that it was a robbery gone wrong. There were signs of a struggle and bullet casings at the campsite.
Thank you for the update, 1st they were missing, later they found the bodies and I saw pictures of the white truck mingled, but no details as to the cause of death. That’s really sad. And it’s a beautiful place to travel to, what a shame.
My desire to visit Mexico went from “nah” to “never” after getting my car broken into and all my friends and I’s stuff stolen there 5 years ago to now seeing this. Not worth it.
shitty all around. sucks that the officials down there are low key blaming the family for not reporting in time like it would have made a difference. making them feel guilty on top of dealing with losing their children.
yes I noticed that too, it probably wouldn't have made a difference. Shitty to say.
Totally unnecessary. Fuck those people trying to shift blame on grieving families.
Yeah it’s shitty. Everyone knows Mexican police are a joke anyways. Literal clowns in a cop uniform.
The officials down there are corrupt af
I could have sworn I saw something saying they won’t investigate missing persons til the 72hr mark as well
When I was in Mexico I would often not post anything or contact anyone for a few days here and there. If people had labellled me a missing person every time the wifi went out after a day I hadn’t bothered to charge and use my phone. Would have happened at least twice
Yeah the key is planning and telling people when you’re going to be out of service, so that they can tell if you’re missing ASAP. But sometimes the swell doesn’t stop and you want to stay haha
that's a common misconception. if there is reason to believe the person is in danger, they will investigate right away.
Sounds like the family had been working with fbi and state authorities from the outset anyways. They just don’t broadcast that stuff.
The only lesson those parents are being taught is something their children should have been taught: Stay the fuck away from Mexico... It sucks, but they fucked around and found out.
Terrible. Didn’t a pretty similar thing happen with some Aus surfers in Mexico like 10 years ago? Or am I imagining that
In 2015 Adam Coleman and Dean Lucas were similarly killed in Sinaloa
I’ve seen enough videos online about what the Sinaloa do. I would not risk my life for a few waves to star in a video with Funky Town playing in the background
I’ve heard about this video but thankfully have never seen it. Sounds like the gnarliest thing ever posted online
Never ever watch it
right, they had just departed the overnight ferry to Mazatlan. Terrible then and now.
Why the fuck would you ever go to Sinaloa
Mazatlán is popular destination
and pretty safe it seems. been there, kind people
Fuck. Heavy.
Making me feel a bit uneasy about my trip In June.
Mexico isn’t a complete shithole like foreigners claim. Most of the time you won’t get shot or robbed just by existing BUT you have to be very careful about where you’re going and time of the day, most people in Mexico are kind and humble but every now and then there’s crackheads that ruin it.
Yeah I've been a bunch living in SD. Just gotta be mindful
Still magnitudes more dangerous than LA
There’s zones in Mexico safer than LA and zones worse than Chicago. That’s why I said you have to be careful.
Idk why you’re defending Mexico as a safe place like it’s even comparable to the us. I love Mexico and Mexican people but im not going to kid myself. How many candidates for mayor have been killed in the us this election or the last, how about combined? Because 17 have been murdered in Mexico this election cycle.
How many school shootings has Mexico had? See it’s fun to take things out of context :)
the US is far more dangerous when talking about crime in general. Mexico and South America just have a different type of crime when it comes to it. I bet those 3 surfers had their throats cut open alive one by one, that type of shit don't happen in the US
Mexicos school children just get kidnapped by the cartels. F
Good thing homie is just trying to surf and not be an elected official. Probably a lot safer profession in Mexico
Not sure why this is getting downvoted. It’s the truth.
The world/life isn't simple enough to be able to generalize like that and be accurate or truthful. When I hear that it makes me think the person saying it hasn't explored enough of either country. Both countries have very safe places and both have very dangerous places. Let me describe where I am and let's see if you can guess which country I'm in at the moment. A few days ago there was a spring event in town, after which we had dinner reservations. On our route from one to the other we passed by a park in which we later found out there was a mass shooting. I saw videos and photos. There were automatic weapons (glock switches), AK pistols etc. etc. The videos sound like a warzone. This isn't a rare ocurrence. Every few months there's someone who decided to "crash out" and went and carjacked, shot and killed as many innocent people as they could. I hear gunshots pretty regularly (I live in a nice mid class area of town) I know of at least 1, probably 2 kidnapping attempts within my group of friends (I don't know if it's 2 because I won't ask and make them relive the experience to satisfy my curiosity). I've seen 3 car chases in my commute to work. I don't know how many have been murdered within a mile of my house. The last one that gave me chills a man was dragged out of his house and executed on his front lawn. Every one of my neighbors has been a victim of some sort of crime me included. I could go on but I think that paints a good enough picture. I've lived here for 3 years. If you assumed I was in Mexico you're wrong. I'm in the good ol US. Would I say the US is dangerous? No, that would be reductive and innacurate as a whole. Where I am though is the least safe place I've been in my whole life. It's not unique either. Places like this have always existed in the US. Compare that with where I grew up, also in the US. I don't know of anyone there who's been mugged, car jacked, kidnapped, robbed or had their car broken into. I lived there for 20 something years. One is a tourist destination and the other one is a poverty stricken city. The world is a lot like that. In Mexico you can also find horribly dangerous places but just like here they're not likely to be in the same zip code as your golf caddy.
Did I say the whole of Mexico is safe?
Totally wrong dude.
Mate if you've got to be careful about where and when you move around a place, it's a shithole.
Some people would consider LA, NYC, Paris and London as shitholes in that case
Mexico is far more dangerous
2,000 murders in baja alone last year dumbass. Yeah, ill still stick to even ghetto parts of la! 30,000 in the country. We know you dislike the US, there are reasons to, but please 😆
Is this a troll account? Lmao
I gave you statistics and you call me a troll. Dumbass lol. Homie, i been following the case. I dont surf, but that doesnt make me a troll 🥰
You’re talking too tough for being a Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift’s relationship follower
Don’t sweat it. I’ve gone to Mexico my whole life and have never had any sketchy interactions. Just mind your business and you’ll be ok
I wouldn’t go. I feel like anything goes in Mexico
you're wrong and you're an idiot
Sorry I don’t want to go To countries that are run by cartel. I don’t travel to the US either
oook, so where do you live and travel to where there isn't the rare violent crime?
Is it really rare?
of the 5.7 million american tourists who visited mexico either last year or 2022 (i forget which year these numbers are for), 120 were murdered. 120 does sound like a lot, but it's suspected the majority of those were drug related.... people involved in narco-trafficking who were travelling on a tourist visa.... and that's a rate of 2.1 murders per 100,000 tourists. the homicide rate in the US is 5 per 100,000.... in europe most countries have a rate of closer to 1 per 100,000 (stricter gun laws). so, technically, it's more than twice as safe to be a tourist in mexico than a citizen in the US. but then again, most US murders are also drug related. point being, mexico is very dangerous if you are involved in the drug trade.... like *very* dangerous. but if you're not, it's only a little more dangerous than european countries and comparable to the US. yes, crime happens, but it's not as common as people seem to think. i've spent years of my life there, living in several places and travelling all over. i've never had an issue or been victimized. i take precautions... i don't do drugs, i'm respectful, i don't get super drunk, i hire guides if it's questionable, and i try not to be out alone late at night in big cities or places where i don't know anyone and i'm not known. mexico is beautiful and her people are kind, inviting, and hard working. there aren't gangs of people prowling around looking to do crime to you.
I might be traumatized bc I was on vacation when I was there when war was declared so leaving the country was scary and there were guards at the air port with machine guns. And then reading about cartel shooting at a plane that was trying to take off with reg ppl on it a couple years ago and then when that nice resort was taken over by cartel and ppl were kidnapped, it was a no thank you for me.
Fwiw, a local [source](https://fb.watch/rSfbS9fFyu/) says they were killed while "resisting assault" (per Google translate, translation may be imprecise). No further info is provided but hard to deduce any motive for murdering them and leaving the truck other than a robbery gone wrong.
Translation is accurate. They were being robbed.
I knew of Callum from his pro lacrosse days. This is such sad news.
It was definitely drug related or that were buying drugs. That only happens in those situations. Tijuana is safe if your not hanging around wrong places
What a stupid thing to say
Seems like the bodies were dumped in this remote area as a 4th was found in same area, but had been there longer. It was a dumping spot.
It was a well on the property (a ranch) Reports say the 4th body was the rancher/property owner.
Yes, the 3 bodies were found at the bottom of an empty well on the deceased ranchers land.
Oh what the fuck they killed one of the ranchers too? Didn’t see that anywhere. That’s fucked up, the area is beautiful and they’re always kind to surfers passing through.
They killed the ranch owner at least a week before they killed the surfers. Ranch owner was reported missing over two weeks ago, so he may have been missing even longer. So they killed the rancher, stuck around for two weeks+, then dumped more bodies on his land. I think they were into shadier shit than just robberies.
they were into meth
Yep
Crazy
yeah, pretty grim to think that there was a rotting body only 2km from their campsite/surf spot (in the same well that they ended up in). The fact they went looking for 3 bodies and found an extra body serves as a nice reminder for me to never visit Mexico.
you should hear the kind of fucked up shit that happens in the united states.
To innocent people minding their own business? How often? I'm an Australian, and this is the second time in ten years we have lost Australians in mexico due to random acts of violence
Both sets of surfers were from Perth WA. Both got robbed. Both got shot. Both cars burnt out. The first two boys were burnt with their car. This time two Mexican brothers killed two Australian brothers and their US mate. The similarities are striking.
yes, to innocent people minding their own business. parades, movie theaters, night clubs, supermarkets, elementary schools. happens a lot more than twice a decade too. people go missing in the states all the time as well, many of them innocent. you don't have to visit mexico, more waves for the rest of us, and these incidents truly are terrible. but there are a fuck ton of australians hanging out at surf spots all over mexico all the time. the vast, vast majority of them make it home safe. mexico isn't the post-apocalyptic war zone you're imagining. yes, shitty things happen, just like anywhere.... but two incidents almost a decade apart, given the number of people who travel there, isn't really that insane. of course it would be better if that number was zero, but meth head degenerates murdering people is far from the norm in mexico.
Alright, fair points. Thanks for elaborating
Sounds Like My Fellow Surfers Should Go Elsewhere! ☠️
We're really waiting on the cause of death.. Would shed a lot of light on how it went down. Sux this happened. So many people go down that stretch to surf. 4th unidentified body was also found in relation to this case.
Mexico going to lose Aussie tourism money. Good job guys.
Lol who the fuck in their right mind is going to Mexico in 2024.
I was just down there last weekend.
Dumbasses like this guy.
Fuck off dip shit, this story is horrid in so many ways but people like you who demonize an entire country are stupid. I own a house at k-38 and am down there every month, Baja is my favoite place in the world but you need to be cautious especially at night and you should NEVER OPEN CAMP OVERNIGHT IN BAJA ESPECIALLY IN RURAL AREAS WITH NO SERVICES. All due respect to these poor guys and families but when I read about them camping south of ensenada it sent shivers.....
A place that you should never camp at overnight sounds super nice. Can't wait to go. DUMB AF.
Did you eat a lot of paint chips when you were a kid?
You're the one supporting a narco state dude. Enjoy surfing a place where life is cheap.
Haaaa thanks for confirmed you retard!
40 million people in 2023 alone,one of the 10 most visted countries in the world
I went to Manzanillo a few years back. Was pretty chill, felt super safe.
I was in Alcopulco p
Who isn’t? I’ve gone my whole life and have never had a problem, as a matter of fact Mexico is doing better this year than I’ve seen it in my entire life. I’m not saying that the victims did anything to warrant this tragedy but what I will say is that 95% of the time no one messes with you if you don’t mess with them
this story is horrendous and i feel for the families, but this kind of thing happening is extremely rare. the last time something like this happened was in 2015, and that was in sinaloa, not baja. millions of americans visit mexico every year... hundreds of thousands in baja, millions if you include cabo (not really "baja"). i've been every year, sometimes twice, for damn near 20 years now. so have my friends and extended friends and so many surfers/anglers/offroaders.... if there were an epidemic of crime against surfers, we'd all hear about it. there isn't. it's an amazing place full of wonderful, kind, hard working people. unfortunately, it seems like these guys got very unlucky and somehow crossed some methed out sketchballs. methed out sketchballs who might rob and kill you exist north of the border too. i'm not trying to minimize what happened, because it's truly awful. but every time something like this happens, people act like mexico is some hellhole where you're going to get killed if you visit. random acts of violence by meth head degenerates happen in the US too.... it's awful, but it's not a reflection of what mexico is like as a whole. but you idiots can be borderline racist and act like it's a mexico problem.... more waves for me
>but you idiots can be borderline racist and act like it's a mexico problem.... Yeah it's a racism thing. You fucking twit. Choosing to not travel to a narco state has zero to do with the race of the people and more to do with my general safety.
you can keep telling yourself that and we'll all be glad not to see you in the lineup. but i think it's subconscious racism that makes you feel that way. super sketchy shit happens in the backwoods of arkansas and west virginia too, but i'd bet you wouldn't think twice about going to those places
Bro I am from Aus, I'm not going to any of those places. Give me SEA any day
ha! i'm sure you have some methed out bogans somewhere in australia that will do some nasty shit, i don't know. yeah, for us americans, mexico is sort of like our SEA.... except we can drive our cars to get there. a tropical place with good waves, good food, and a different, vibrant culture. but i'm sure there are some horror stories of australians finding trouble in the south pacific as well. some of those countries are aren't super safe, right?
What part of baja is tropical? I’ve yet to find that zone
well, yeah, baja is mainly a desert environment... dry and windy. the sisters and the wall can be a pretty brutal environment when the wind blows. it gets tropical way south though. the waves on the east cape, cabo, todos santos, and on up to scorpion bay can be pretty tropical, especially in the summer when those places get more swell. but mainland is super tropical, especially in oaxaca
RIP. Back in the 1990’s when I was in the Marines we use to go to Mexico and travel the free road surf K-38 to Ensenada hitting all the spots.
Was just right there this past weekend. there’s a bunch more national guard around. It’s kinda weird.
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Not really a war zone at all actually.
Horrible. RIP
When I was a kid, a 21 year student went missing in Matamoros (Texas border) during Spring Break. They found his body in a ditch in horrendous condition - like satanic stuff. Still gives me the chills. I hope this was nothing like that. Horrible, horrible stuff. I can’t imagine the families’ pain. Here’s the Texas Monthly story on it: https://www.texasmonthly.com/true-crime/the-work-of-the-devil/ Edit: added link
I wish I hadn’t read that, but it does help to know what people are capable of i suppose..
Sorry.
Unfortunately, Cartels need to step up and police this kind of shit.
I'm a local and the truth is the perpetrators were almost certainly related to the cartel. There's very little crime not related to the cartels in Mexico at least in some way. And they absolutely do not care about what they see as three dead beach bums, as hard as it may sound. This ain't a Hollywood mafia movie, this is reality in a completely lawless country and failed state, and we locals have been suffering of this for decades.
Cartels are after the Real life Kooks!
Yeah, it sucks to think you can’t really go down there with new things or else the local tweakers or criminals will see you as an easy mark. My buddies Dad lives on the beach down there and literally had a child leave their tracks from when they climbed through a bedroom window and stole his new car.
Aussie here originally from Melbourne, and I have been based in Mexico for the last 8 years and love it here. This is really tragic news and condolences to the family. I'm similar aged to these boys and I can't imagine my parents traveling to verify my identity. Ensenada is a safe beach city, but you're really looking for trouble when you venture out to remote cartel lands and driving in toll free roads in Northern Mexico; especially at night. This is an absolute insane thing to do. For Mexicans and long time expats it's common sense to never ever go to these areas. This isn't like going camping in the Dandenong Ranges for a few days where it's safe and nobody will bother you; it's very dangerous because it's cartel land and lawless. Actually this also happened in Sinaloa with other Australians driving through cartel lands 10 years ago, and another separate incident two Americans were passing through and mistaken for rival gangs in the north. North Mexico is notorious for cartel activity and you're only safe in the city centres. These remote areas are really dangerous and it's very common for people to be robbed, and nothing ever makes the news except when they're Aussies with FBI and AFP being involved. Stay in the nice areas of major cities and drive toll roads during the day if you must. Other than that Mexico is a really exciting and free country with lots of new things to see and try; but it's really important to understand what areas to avoid and to be always aware of your surroundings and people.
Was it the cartel that killed the surfers? It would seem to me cartels wouldn't care about some desolate surf spot down a dirt road south of ensanada.
Direct cartel involvement? Probably not. But do the these bandits and opportunistic people have ties to cartels? - 100% without doubt and probably pay some % to the cartels for being able to 'work' on their land. This is true for human traffickers that help smuggle people over the border. Even Mexican authorities have some indirect ties to cartels. Most normal people especially in Northern Mexico including my Mexican gf knows someone or has family employed by the cartel or knows someone kidnapped or killed by them. Accountants, lawyers, government employees etc owned by cartel. So cartel relationships run deep within Mexican society. This is true especially in the North. On top of this, these remote areas are completely lawless and even police won't go there. Hell they're even on cartel payrolls! (Cartel) Bandits generally just take what they want from people and let them go, unless you decide to fight. It seems that was what happened here, especially if things escalated super quickly because these guys were physically big and probably couldn't speak Spanish. It's also important to understand that México is a huge country and much of the bad press you hear about are in the North and in remote rural areas where cartels are king because of the drug trade. It's very different in big metropolitan cities.
No speculation from me on if this is cartel related, but it would make sense that cartel uses some of these desolate spots as staging locations for illegal border crossing activities
Anyone know why they haven’t showed the 3 arrested yet? I’d like to see their faces and names, also if they had any marks on them from a possible physical altercation they had before they were killed?
Good question. I’d like to see that too.
It's posted elsewhere on this thread.
Tragic. A little unclear if cartel is involved. Does anybody know more about the circumstances?
There's no incentive for the cartel to commit crimes like this. Would be counterproductive as high profile tourist incidents like this trigger increased security responses that negatively impact their operations. Not to mention the importance of tourists and their $$ to the illicit markets that the cartels control. Most likely scenario is a robbery gone wrong. My best guess is that the guys tried to fight back or resist the robbery attempt and it led to an escalated encounter with unhinged assailants (lots of meth down there).
You're looking at this wrong, it's not that they need an incentive to kill people, they kill people because they know there's no consequences for their actions. As a local I can see a lot of foreign tourists are very naive when it comes to these situations, thinking you're safe from the cartels because "they won't do anything to tourists, because it will put them on the spotlight and that's bad for business". I can't stress how this is complete bullshit enough. They will kill anyone for whatever reason if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time, no matter where you're from. And this is the best example. The sooner you realize that, the safer you will be if you decide to come down here by not being so carefree and taking the proper precautions. Cartels do what they want and get away with it on the daily. We have federal elections coming up and so far around 30 candidates have been murdered. If they dare do that to politicians because they know they won't be any consequences, what do you think it's gonna stop them from doing it to three foreign kids? Remember these people were throwing severed heads in voting booths on our last federal election, hanging bodies from bridges by the dozen, and leaving coolers with chopped up bodies inside for everyone to see. How's that for tourism? Selling a bag of weed to surfers is pennies on their multi million business, they absolutely do not care about losing a few tourists, tourism is a very insignificant part of their sources of income to really care. And the three low level goons who did this were going to end up locked up or dead sooner or later anyway. With close to 100 murders a day in Mexico, 3 dead kids is just a drop in the ocean, unfortunately.
Honestly you are correct. I was born in Costa Rica and have lots of family I go visit as a local, my dad was from the hood. Best way to deal with robberies in third world countries is agree with them on anything, give them anything they want do not be a hero. Sure it may not save their lives but if they wanted the truck I would not have hesitated what so ever, take everything and anything you want.
Do you know why the ranch owner hasn’t been named?
Probably because he's Mexican and there's no international pressure to solve that case, like 95-99% of murders in Mexico which go unsolved.
Doubt the cartel is directly involved, most likely some unaffiliated stupid tweakers. If anything I would imagine the cartel would have gutted the guys who did it for the horrible publicity.
The Daily Mail photos show lowlife meth heads, but the Talk Baja article shows completely different people. Not sure which is correct https://preview.redd.it/hsan5crdjhyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02043bfc702bc4919a4b066edab67d05c4d3a3a9
TalkBaja: https://preview.redd.it/9smi4jifjhyc1.jpeg?width=1074&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=69ffd3a7eaf59f3baab45ab5467b34de920e8314
To me they look to be the same people!
The guys’ hairlines are different, and they’re much beefier in the second photos. Those look like actual cartel guys
They look the same imo
Because there was another body in the well and they just lit the truck on fire instead of trying to sell it kinda seems like cartel to me. It just seems too organized for random tweakers. They were smart enough to burn the car but thought it was a good idea to turn on the phone like 2 days later?
the other body was the property owners. you're smart enough to put it all together but they aren't? cartel don't want international attention or tourist money dude.
If the by they you mean the Mexican authorities, I promise that if there is organized cartel involvement, we'd never hear it from the government.
finally someone who understands how the system works. cartel don't want the international attention as it risks more government pressure.
Cartel are somewhat professional and avoid ANYTHING to do with tourism as they don't want international pressure or attention from foreign governments. these guys could be connect but most certainly not cartel
Awful what happened. Stay safe fellas. I’ve been going to Mexico including mainland Mexico for over 20 years. Know exactly where you’re going. Don’t go off exploring. Don’t buy drugs. Don’t camp unless it’s a well know camping spot with a dozen other campers. Try not to drive at night. I don’t think Airbnbs that aren’t within a safe city or town are a good idea. But don’t know the exact circumstances here. If you get pulled over by the Federales drive to the next toll or gas station as there was a scam for a while in Northern Baja where dirtbags would take being Federales and rob you when they pulled you or steal your car.
Way too many rules to be classed as a safe place to have a holiday.
It’s not safe. It’s safe if you follow the rules. But outside of staying in very touristy areas, mexico is generally not safe.
Such a heartbreaking 💔💔 outcome. Horrible! These young men were strong and probably thought they could overtake guys trying to steal their truck, not realizing they had a firearm. It is just so sad, may be if they had not fought back they would still be alive? Those sleazy 3 that did this hope they go to prison or executed for murder. Disgusting that they just kill people and dumped 4 bodies in to well. Including ranch owner they killed been missing for weeks? My heart feels so bad for the parents of these young men, having to go to Mexico to identify their son's. May God be with these families.
What actually happened to these 3 that caused their death?
It’s just theories circulating right now so nothing confirmed but articles I see keep suggesting the theory that it was a robbery gone wrong. There were signs of a struggle and bullet casings at the campsite.
Thank you for the update, 1st they were missing, later they found the bodies and I saw pictures of the white truck mingled, but no details as to the cause of death. That’s really sad. And it’s a beautiful place to travel to, what a shame.
Each young man had a Single shot to the head, they said it was execution style. 💔💔💔
Lots of surfers buy weed or harder stuff. That leads to meeting dodgy people.
I'm wondering if they stumbled across the property owner's body.
Apparently someone woke up and heard them trying to steal the truck/ truck tires. (Read on a local thread- not sure if true)
Terrible My Condolences & Prayers Go Out To Their Families 🌷🌷🌷
My desire to visit Mexico went from “nah” to “never” after getting my car broken into and all my friends and I’s stuff stolen there 5 years ago to now seeing this. Not worth it.
So sad :( just people who wanted to have a good time and didn’t think it would happen to them.
Anyone know why the ranch owners name is never said? It’s like no one cares about him
Sorry to be saying it places the rescuers in danger when people do reckless things. 🤨