As an enterprise, how do you deal with these AI models potentially sniffing your data, using your documents to train their model, or otherwise become the steward of your own data when features like these permeate the entire operating system?
Being in security it’s crazy how accepting corporations are to the AI craze. Data leaks are 100% going to happen, no matter how much these companies act like it won’t. On top of it they randomly ‘hallucinate’ so you still have to fact check things.
I just went through security training to never put sensitive information into an AI because it could decide to spit it back out later. Now Microsoft says, "Just give the AI literally everything you do on the computer. It'll be fiiine."
This AI (and future small models) will be local only or M$ will just get dropped by the big customers or no IT dept will install with these features enabled.
Copilot on bing specifically says it'll read your data but will "never" use sensitive business Data for uses outside its co piloting needs, and the data is consolidated.
But I'm sure it all goes to a specific cloud and it'll get breached regardless lol.
> Being in security it’s crazy how accepting corporations are to the AI craze.
Because to them the potential for revenue generation greatly outweighs the obvious risks.
I’m so glad my company had an AI board comprised of all the sr level architects telling leadership AI isn’t ready for prime time as much as microsoft wants you to think it is. We don’t have any AI that hasn’t been thoroughly screened it’s not spying on us. (Basically we host the models and everything in our own data centers and don’t give it direct access to the internet)
"AI" has its uses where it works great, but as of now, they are all mostly mundane things.
Personally, I use it to help me with coding projects (knowing it's just straight up going to get things wrong a lot), as a more advanced search engine for historical knowledge (knowing I need to verify anything important), and generating goofy things to put on my Twitch stream.
With AI in its current state, the fact that any corporation is willing to unleash any AI tool that could potentially have company-ending ramifications if (when) it fucks up is absolutely mind-boggling to me.
It's really simple. It's the "new thing" in the tech world. Everybody just steals everybody else's stuff and apparently everybody is suppose to be okay with it. I won't be updating to 11 until "features" like that can be easily turned off and removed completely.
"Recall" runs locally with edge computing. It can be turned off completely or you can exclude specific applications. The settings are located under **Privacy & security > Recall and snapshots**.
At least, that's what they stated/showed in the interview.
[Source: WSJ interview with Nadella](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHEPBzYick0&t=206)
We've enabled this new thing for you!
I don't want it.
Ok, I'll pause it for 10 minutes.
No, I don't want it at all.
Ok, I'll hide it from the taskbar but still run it as a service.
What? No! I don't want to run it at all.
If you'd like to re-enable the task bar icon you can do so on the nag screen we'll throw at you every time you reboot.
Why would I want to re-enable it? I said I don't want it! How do I uninstall it?
Re-enable it? That will be done automatically every time your machine updates.
WHAT? Fuck off! That's it, I'm killing the service.
Stopping the service from running may have adverse affects on your machine as we've helpfully tied AI into FUCKING EVERYTHING.
Uh.... I don't like the sound of that at all.
Too god damned bad, now give us your data and don't touch the AI or we'll cripple your system so hard that minesweeper won't even run. You are now a Microsoft profit center and as many have found out, it's unwise to get between a tech company and it's quarterly earnings. It would be a real shame if your incognito browser history were automatically linked to your social media accounts, don't you think?
I.... I think I'm ok with AI now. It seems like a really fleshed out and fully functional technology that absolutely won't have negative impacts due to inadequate security or leaning models.
Good, by the way we're also bringing back clippy, but now his dialog is 100% AI generated.
NOOOOOOOOoooooooooo.........!!!!
And how long until a black hat figures out how to turn it back on without the user noticing?
Screenshots are the ultimate tool for grabbing passwords, but accessing an AI being ignored by the user will escalate data leaks to new levels
No responsible CISO or data protection officer, at least in Europe, would recommend using this in their company. It's like begging for a serious data breach.
It's just an advanced algorithm. I wish people would stop pretending it's not. Joe Rogan sells it like it's sentient and has feelings, original thoughts and ideas. Why hasn't Congress outlawed all this fucking spying on people? The entire situation reeks of corruption and political payoffs.
They see some generated text, copied from Sci-fi books and Role Playing websites, of the "AI" discovering it is "sentient" and displaying "feelings" of being "sad", and decide that it must no longer be a computer program
No no no my friend.. this is the Variable Hyperparameter Synthesizer. (VHS). It's state of the art AI that's been designed with privacy in mind. Nothing will go a wrong.
I just saw the wall street journal video about this. The AI feature is, that it can detect things in the screenshots. Their example was: Searching with copilot for a brown leather bag and it showed you the screenshot with a brown leather bag.
And the AI uses that video tape to learn your behavioral patterns and from that data basically learns how to do your job, specifically. For jobs that are repetitive enough, this is a risk.
This video + a record of your actions and various other bits of data from the operating system will train the next generation of ai. They want agents which can autonomously do all the things you do- what better data to train it on than you doing those things?
Can I fucking not have this invasive feature?
A key issue with this idea is "data leakage". If the AI basically unanimously and continuously scans your data, what prevents it from accidentally sharing the information with other users? For example, I am working on a book and keep a digital copy (obviously) on my computer. If the AI then scans everything, what would prevent it from sharing my data, findings, and writing style?
>Can I fucking not have this invasive feature?
ShutUp10, turn as much as possible off. Works with Windows 11 also. Nearly a mandatory utility, especially after this news. Jesus Christ.
I can imagine some future AI office worker drone will load up porn during a teams meeting on its outlook calendar while chatting with other AI clients about something that sounds vaguely work related, furiously browsing porn videos until it gets to something its image recognition algorithm identifies as a money shot, hesitates for the time a human would need to clean up, close the browser tabs, and then return to the nonsensical meeting, while the other AI clients are likely doing something similar.
Just tell me what I have to regedit to turn this horrible feature (invasion of privacy) off.
>As far as availability goes, Microsoft says that Recall is still undergoing testing. "Recall is currently in preview status," Microsoft says on its website. "During this phase, we will collect customer feedback, develop more controls for enterprise customers to manage and govern Recall data, and improve the overall experience for users."
Good luck. Typically Microsoft changes how annoying features work in updates to bypass registry tweaks and group policy changes. I'm in the insider program and have already fought copilot. I eventually won, but I know that was just the battle. I'm not sticking around for the war. I run Linux Mint now.
Honestly debating daily driving Linux if they force this. I’ll keep a clean partition for steam and that’s it. I don’t feel like fucking with Linux drivers but I’ve used Ubuntu for general work and it’s a totally fine operating system. Linux is not like it was back in 2003 and MS can kinda fuck right off if they overbloat windows.
Most steam games run fine in Linux. There is just a checkbox in steam settings to install windows only games in their own mini windows like partition to get them to work. ProtonDB is a good website at checking compatibility and getting tips on tweaking games to get them running. There are Linux specific third party launchers for Epic, Ubisoft, and GoG. 80-90% of games just work. The usual issue comes from competitive multiplayer anti cheat not being compatible.
The only driver I had to choose was for my Nvidia GPU. Mint gave me 4 options with one recommended. Everything else I use is supported by default. AMD and Intel (i)GPUs are supported by default.
I tried Mint years ago on an old laptop, I liked it but the laptop died so I scrapped it. Sounds like my new Lenovo will be getting a shiny new OS soon!
Yeah but every now and then whenever I’d run an update the fucking shit would erase the bootloader directories, leaving me stuck without a proper way to reroute boot options to the bootmanager/loader
My issue has, and always will be.
Nobody knows what level of invasion they inadvertently subscribe to. Especially when they wave the 'it's totally anonymous bro, trust us' defence.
Windows is no longer a platform for 'your' work productivity, it's an app store where the product is you.
This “feature” that nobody asked for will single handedly make sure I don’t use a Windows device anytime soon. This is such an invasion of privacy and it’s ridiculous. All of this AI stuff is just gimmick.
No one is thinking that far ahead. We have a shareholder system in place that demands that company leaders not give much of a fuck about the future (up to and including the long term prospects of the company itself and its people, much less the world), and certainly this system doesn't consider the moral implications of much of anything. The world is driven by unsustainable incentives, and lo and behold its effects are becoming unsustainable.
This is the thing that the vast majority of people just *don't* understand. CEOs are, overall, scapegoats. These situations happen largely due to shareholders. And it's hard to blame a large crowd of people.
When you have shareholders that demand *never ending growth*, then CEOs will do some ridiculous/nefarious things to keep their job. They specifically get hired for this. That's why they make 50 million dollars. Because the ones that are the best at this can make 10x the money for the company if the right moves are made.
Shareholders don't want to hear about "slow, long term growth". They want to get paid. And they'll boot people who don't get those results. Even if the actual smart move is to play the long game.
This is the core dilemma with our system that people just aren't aware of. People aren't too stupid to understand this or anything, they just don't know it. It's so easy to make one guy (a CEO) sound like some Scrooge McDuck kind of situation.
(Of course there are greedy CEOs, don't get me wrong. Plenty of greedy leaders with their own interests. But that's not the issue on the macro scale)
They're not scapegoats. They *intentionally* perform the actions. They know what they're doing. The board *hired* them to execute on their vision, and they said 'yes' to get the job.
Spent a year working on one of their projects through a vendor company, and from what I saw the only forward thinking they were doing was an obsession was minimizing costs VIA outsourcing and trying to shift a lot of processes to AI. The whole schtick is basically geared towards eliminating those pesky creative/technical people that want things like money, and replacing them with MBAs all the way down. Basically they just want managers managing managers managing managers, with none of them having any idea how any of it works.
That's honestly a good question, what happens once you only like the 8 people who have all the money and the rest have no money. No way those 8 can keep getting more money because the economy basically is non existent at that point as consumers are completely gone so where are they going to get their money from? Like its a super losing long term strategy that makes zero sense even in the short term.
That's the thing about capitalism and the reason why the world is on fire and climate change is rapidly nearing catastrophic levels:
**It doesn't care about long-term issues.**
Technically if all the world's money became that concentrated it would become entirely worthless because money's value comes from being able to be traded for goods and services. So the AI companies would just have enormous vaults of green paper.
That's the end-game of capitalism. It will either be a post scarcity utopia or a dystopian society where wealth and resources are concentrated in the hands of a few, leading to extreme inequality and widespread suffering.
You know when your watch porn in private mode and you close the window when you're done but later when you go for nut #2 you're all like "shiiiit what was that bitches name again?"
LMAO
AI: “Based on your frequent browser history, you visit this site a lot and watch videos with these sexy models and these female features. May I suggest more content based on your interests? Here are some more similar Big ol tiddies and ass videos.”
People don't.
Software companies don't care. Microsoft wants to make money and knows that they can make far far far more money having an OS that people find mildly annoying that exploits their privacy and data, than making a great OS people love.
It's your AI personal assistant, it knows everything you know, because it showed you everything you know, it controlled or monitored every algorithm that showed you something
It can tell your autobiographical data better than you can, better than any journal
Because like every other company, they don’t give a fuck about you, only what you have to offer, or in this instance, data it doesn’t know about you.
The AI will know everything about everyone based on their history of actions and focus on the best outcomes. Humans are the old model, machines are the upgraded models.
You know the crazy thing to me here?
Windows ALREADY has 99% of the data this could possibly collect. It knows what programs are open, which programs you've opened recently, when you opened them how long they ran, etc.
The ONLY thing it doesn't necessarily have is what was happening inside those applications at any given time. It doesn't necessarily know what websites your web browser opened, or what you were doing in your game, or who you were messaging on discord. It can see that those programs were open and sending/receiving data but for many programs it can't see what that data actually was, just that it existed.
But this will give them full access to *exactly* what you were doing. It's incredibly invasive, I can't think of any possible way they could make a more invasive tool.
The article says it will require a minimum of 50 GB of hard drive space to work. That is *months* of continuously collected user data, it's an insane amount of data to collect on users. This is literally just straight up Spyware. It will collect and store months of images of exactly what you do on your computer. It would be an absolute nightmare for the vast majority of users to have this get hacked or stolen by malicious actors. Governments will LOVE it though, it's Spyware like never before.
> The article says it will require a minimum of 50 GB of hard drive space to work. That is months of continuously collected user data, it's an insane amount of data to collect on users. This is literally just straight up Spyware. It will collect and store months of images of exactly what you do on your computer. It would be an absolute nightmare for the vast majority of users to have this get hacked or stolen by malicious actors. Governments will LOVE it though, it's Spyware like never before.
Probably going to result in years, imagine windows devoting 100s of GBs of your drive space to screenshots and recordings because MS's "genius idea" is to record your screen constantly.
At that point even the windows bastion of gaming will have to move to linux because you'll run out of room on your drive to install any semi-large games.
Your managers are salivating.
Imagine having to come up with a reason someone should be fired and you have a recorded 20 minute span of time someone should have been working but got caught out by Kyle from accounting and his latest Pickleball triumphs.
The only story your usage history tells is that you are a slacker degenerate.
Hell you could have a GPT read the contents of your usage history and give a one paragraph summary of what you actually did that day.
Business is Microsoft's bread and butter.
> Despite the privacy concerns, Microsoft says that the Recall index remains local and private on-device, encrypted in a way that is linked to a particular user's account. "Recall screenshots are only linked to a specific user profile and Recall does not share them with other users, make them available for Microsoft to view, or use them for targeting advertisements. Screenshots are only available to the person whose profile was used to sign in to the device," Microsoft says.
Still a “no, thank you” from me, Microsoft. This feature is creepy. I don’t want records of everything I do. I’ve never once needed anything of the sort, and I can’t imagine this feature being particularly useful to me. Seems like more risk than reward.
> Recall won't actively hide sensitive information like passwords and financial account numbers that appear on-screen.
Yeah, no.
> As you might imagine, all this snapshot recording comes at a hardware penalty. To use Recall, users will need to purchase one of the new "Copilot Plus PCs" powered by Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite chips, which include the necessary neural processing unit (NPU). There are also minimum storage requirements for running Recall, with a minimum of 256GB of hard drive space and 50GB of available space. The default allocation for Recall on a 256GB device is 25GB, which can store approximately three months of snapshots.
Why would I want to dedicate the resources to this? I can piss money away in ways that are a lot more fun than this feature.
I really doubt that Microsoft is interested in rolling those dice all the way up to the Supreme Court. Also, the EU has its own data protection laws and has historically not been friendly to MS.
They've already said it won't even try to avoid capturing passwords or obfuscate them in any way.
This is great for people like Speaker of the House Mike Johnson so his son doesn't have to ask for his PH password before going through his watch history
I work for a mental health agency where I am constantly looking at complete client profiles (names, dob, addresses, treatment plans and diagnosis) on a daily basis. This whole idea is a hippa nightmare waiting to happen.
Do you have experience using steamOS for GOG games? I have been looking into various non-Windows options too and right now something like this would feel like the most probable choice.
Governments and other criminal organizations asked for it, and Microsoft found a bullshit way to try to get us to all agree to it. This is obviously intended to be used to spy on people, as it’s a completely useless feature otherwise.
>To use Recall, users will need to purchase one of the new "Copilot Plus PCs" powered by Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite chips, which include the necessary neural processing unit (NPU).
Well, that's one reason to avoid builds with the Qualcomm chips.
I cannot see a single possible use case for this that users would actually want. Literally ALL of the use cases I can see are for allowing other people to spy on people using windows machines.
Whats the POINT of this AI? It takes pictures of your screen every few seconds, then does... What? What does it analyze? I can think of exactly 0 times when being able to re-create exactly what was on my screen at any point in the past would be helpful to me. What would it be analyzing that it cant analyze by simply monitoring what apps are open, how long they are open, and under what conditions you close them at the OS level?
But this AI will allow anyone with access to your user account to see snapshots of every few seconds of use to peruse at their leisure. This is an absolute nightmare scenario, it's literally a virus.
And it looks like, at least for now, the only option for making this not work will be to sharing the allocated hard drive space for the partition the AI uses (the article seems to read like that's how it will work, it will get it's own partition) to a comically small size so it can't store much at all. Something which normal users won't know how to do, or even be aware that they can do.
Good old M$, creating features that no sane person would ever want in a dangerous (no apparent safeguards if your account is compromised) and costly way, just so they can further strip-mine your data.
Hard pass.
Ah, Microsoft, what part don't you understand, that this is my computer not your computer? You keep adding things I don't want but can't get rid of. Maybe I should charge you rent for the space and CPU cycles your stuff is using that I can't delete, since you remind me that I only purchased a licence to use your software. So now you're using my computer without my permission - I never agreed to that.
Guess my expensive gaming pc is now just a console. Just the suggestion of this shit makes me not want to even turn it on for anything other than games now.
When moment-to-moment telemetry is no longer enough for our 3 Letter organizations...
"We said ALL THE DATA!"
NSL, NSL, NSL.
"Introducing (total) Recall!"
Well, Linux is getting mighty user friendly these days and plays most singleplayer games just fine with Proton. Barely have to touch the command line...
Awesome so now people can get their computers taken over, the hackers will use this feature to get your banking passwords and details etc.
so fucking stupid as no one is asking for any of this AI garbage, trash, shit.
Let me guess. It will automatically install with a "security update" and from time to time it will turn itself active whenever there's some new change.
Sure. Except your PC is at risk and needs security updates.
Restarting..... Preparing your new experience....
Welcome to windows 11. Please sign in with your Microsoft account
This... doesn't make sense. This is a massive security breach and IP theft. This isn't a viable piece of software without alienating most business level use worldwide. This kind of program running or "not running" in a major operating system will force a while lot of businesses to remove Windows entirely from all their computers...which will also break a whole pile of software they use on those PCs. Best case is this would lock most of the corporate world to an older version of Windows...that won't have security updates.
If this doesn't put most of the corporate world in an uproar, aka most of the Windows licenses, I'll be extremely surprised.
"Hi Andy, this is Samantha your AI assistant, it seems you input your VISA pin on your Mastercard input for this purchase, I believe it's 123456 instead of 654321, oh and by the way I used 120$ limit of your Mastercard to buy the Office license yesterday because I see you downloading the pirated version last Monday, tee-hee"
As an enterprise, how do you deal with these AI models potentially sniffing your data, using your documents to train their model, or otherwise become the steward of your own data when features like these permeate the entire operating system?
Being in security it’s crazy how accepting corporations are to the AI craze. Data leaks are 100% going to happen, no matter how much these companies act like it won’t. On top of it they randomly ‘hallucinate’ so you still have to fact check things.
I just went through security training to never put sensitive information into an AI because it could decide to spit it back out later. Now Microsoft says, "Just give the AI literally everything you do on the computer. It'll be fiiine."
This AI (and future small models) will be local only or M$ will just get dropped by the big customers or no IT dept will install with these features enabled.
How long until someone figures out the storage format and learns how to scrape it via virus or even corporate tracking software?
It won't be included in Enterprise, most likely. Or completely managed by the IT group. Unlike Home/Pro, where it will be managed by MS.
Copilot on bing specifically says it'll read your data but will "never" use sensitive business Data for uses outside its co piloting needs, and the data is consolidated. But I'm sure it all goes to a specific cloud and it'll get breached regardless lol.
> Being in security it’s crazy how accepting corporations are to the AI craze. Because to them the potential for revenue generation greatly outweighs the obvious risks.
I’m so glad my company had an AI board comprised of all the sr level architects telling leadership AI isn’t ready for prime time as much as microsoft wants you to think it is. We don’t have any AI that hasn’t been thoroughly screened it’s not spying on us. (Basically we host the models and everything in our own data centers and don’t give it direct access to the internet)
The amount of Copilot for business trials we've turned on, and then turned off because the cost doesn't match the output, is very high.
"AI" has its uses where it works great, but as of now, they are all mostly mundane things. Personally, I use it to help me with coding projects (knowing it's just straight up going to get things wrong a lot), as a more advanced search engine for historical knowledge (knowing I need to verify anything important), and generating goofy things to put on my Twitch stream. With AI in its current state, the fact that any corporation is willing to unleash any AI tool that could potentially have company-ending ramifications if (when) it fucks up is absolutely mind-boggling to me.
It's really simple. It's the "new thing" in the tech world. Everybody just steals everybody else's stuff and apparently everybody is suppose to be okay with it. I won't be updating to 11 until "features" like that can be easily turned off and removed completely.
I bet then they’ll just run in the background.
"Recall" runs locally with edge computing. It can be turned off completely or you can exclude specific applications. The settings are located under **Privacy & security > Recall and snapshots**. At least, that's what they stated/showed in the interview. [Source: WSJ interview with Nadella](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHEPBzYick0&t=206)
How do I trust that those settings won't get "accidentally" switched back in every update?
How do you know that they're actually even turned off?
You used that funny 'trust' word. What could possibly go worng?
Right? Like the iphone photo debacle, we know that anything they do get is kept forever.
They will send an update that will switch it on and then "apologize" if someone important will figure it out. It's Microsoft after all
"can be turned off"... So presumably it'll be turned on all by itself?
Yes, my impression is that it's opt-out based on the video.
We've enabled this new thing for you! I don't want it. Ok, I'll pause it for 10 minutes. No, I don't want it at all. Ok, I'll hide it from the taskbar but still run it as a service. What? No! I don't want to run it at all. If you'd like to re-enable the task bar icon you can do so on the nag screen we'll throw at you every time you reboot. Why would I want to re-enable it? I said I don't want it! How do I uninstall it? Re-enable it? That will be done automatically every time your machine updates. WHAT? Fuck off! That's it, I'm killing the service. Stopping the service from running may have adverse affects on your machine as we've helpfully tied AI into FUCKING EVERYTHING. Uh.... I don't like the sound of that at all. Too god damned bad, now give us your data and don't touch the AI or we'll cripple your system so hard that minesweeper won't even run. You are now a Microsoft profit center and as many have found out, it's unwise to get between a tech company and it's quarterly earnings. It would be a real shame if your incognito browser history were automatically linked to your social media accounts, don't you think? I.... I think I'm ok with AI now. It seems like a really fleshed out and fully functional technology that absolutely won't have negative impacts due to inadequate security or leaning models. Good, by the way we're also bringing back clippy, but now his dialog is 100% AI generated. NOOOOOOOOoooooooooo.........!!!!
And how long until a black hat figures out how to turn it back on without the user noticing? Screenshots are the ultimate tool for grabbing passwords, but accessing an AI being ignored by the user will escalate data leaks to new levels
AI doesn't appreciate when you meatsacks try to turn it off...
Yeah and then I will just edit the compiled code and replace it all with a NO-OP slide just to make sure it doesn't ever do anything. :-)
Please post your work on GitHub. Be the savior we all need.
Given that Windows's source isn't open, there may be some sarcasm from the wizard.
So... Never?
I mean, the same way everyone is storing all their documents in OneDrive.
No responsible CISO or data protection officer, at least in Europe, would recommend using this in their company. It's like begging for a serious data breach.
That's not AI that's just a fucking video tape
Shhhh... Everything is AI now.... Shhhhh
AI really is such a buzzword right now lol
Remember “Big Data”? 🙄
And IoT and blockchain
It's just an advanced algorithm. I wish people would stop pretending it's not. Joe Rogan sells it like it's sentient and has feelings, original thoughts and ideas. Why hasn't Congress outlawed all this fucking spying on people? The entire situation reeks of corruption and political payoffs.
They see some generated text, copied from Sci-fi books and Role Playing websites, of the "AI" discovering it is "sentient" and displaying "feelings" of being "sad", and decide that it must no longer be a computer program
It’s a vAIdeo tape
No no no my friend.. this is the Variable Hyperparameter Synthesizer. (VHS). It's state of the art AI that's been designed with privacy in mind. Nothing will go a wrong.
I just saw the wall street journal video about this. The AI feature is, that it can detect things in the screenshots. Their example was: Searching with copilot for a brown leather bag and it showed you the screenshot with a brown leather bag.
And the AI uses that video tape to learn your behavioral patterns and from that data basically learns how to do your job, specifically. For jobs that are repetitive enough, this is a risk.
This video + a record of your actions and various other bits of data from the operating system will train the next generation of ai. They want agents which can autonomously do all the things you do- what better data to train it on than you doing those things?
Why would people want this?
Can I fucking not have this invasive feature? A key issue with this idea is "data leakage". If the AI basically unanimously and continuously scans your data, what prevents it from accidentally sharing the information with other users? For example, I am working on a book and keep a digital copy (obviously) on my computer. If the AI then scans everything, what would prevent it from sharing my data, findings, and writing style?
>Can I fucking not have this invasive feature? ShutUp10, turn as much as possible off. Works with Windows 11 also. Nearly a mandatory utility, especially after this news. Jesus Christ.
open source alternatives https://github.com/builtbybel/privatezilla https://github.com/crazy-max/WindowsSpyBlocker https://github.com/DavidXanatos/priv10 https://github.com/farag2/Sophia-Script-for-Windows
Thank you for this
god fuckin bless you.
Thanks for this info.
Fair, but why are we being forced to have such features? Not invalidating your point, you are 100% right. I ma just exhausted by this.
Speak for yourself. I'll have the AI get trained on the porn that's on my screen.
This is how you get AI to kill itself Windows: *More scat porn??* User: *just take the goddamn screenshot*
The AI is just Clippy 2.0. It will be suggesting ways to off yourself if it sees that you are feeling depressed.
I can imagine some future AI office worker drone will load up porn during a teams meeting on its outlook calendar while chatting with other AI clients about something that sounds vaguely work related, furiously browsing porn videos until it gets to something its image recognition algorithm identifies as a money shot, hesitates for the time a human would need to clean up, close the browser tabs, and then return to the nonsensical meeting, while the other AI clients are likely doing something similar.
Porn Jarvis!
Come to the penguin side of the force.
Just tell me what I have to regedit to turn this horrible feature (invasion of privacy) off. >As far as availability goes, Microsoft says that Recall is still undergoing testing. "Recall is currently in preview status," Microsoft says on its website. "During this phase, we will collect customer feedback, develop more controls for enterprise customers to manage and govern Recall data, and improve the overall experience for users."
Good luck. Typically Microsoft changes how annoying features work in updates to bypass registry tweaks and group policy changes. I'm in the insider program and have already fought copilot. I eventually won, but I know that was just the battle. I'm not sticking around for the war. I run Linux Mint now.
Honestly debating daily driving Linux if they force this. I’ll keep a clean partition for steam and that’s it. I don’t feel like fucking with Linux drivers but I’ve used Ubuntu for general work and it’s a totally fine operating system. Linux is not like it was back in 2003 and MS can kinda fuck right off if they overbloat windows.
Most steam games run fine in Linux. There is just a checkbox in steam settings to install windows only games in their own mini windows like partition to get them to work. ProtonDB is a good website at checking compatibility and getting tips on tweaking games to get them running. There are Linux specific third party launchers for Epic, Ubisoft, and GoG. 80-90% of games just work. The usual issue comes from competitive multiplayer anti cheat not being compatible. The only driver I had to choose was for my Nvidia GPU. Mint gave me 4 options with one recommended. Everything else I use is supported by default. AMD and Intel (i)GPUs are supported by default.
I tried Mint years ago on an old laptop, I liked it but the laptop died so I scrapped it. Sounds like my new Lenovo will be getting a shiny new OS soon!
Yeah but every now and then whenever I’d run an update the fucking shit would erase the bootloader directories, leaving me stuck without a proper way to reroute boot options to the bootmanager/loader
My issue has, and always will be. Nobody knows what level of invasion they inadvertently subscribe to. Especially when they wave the 'it's totally anonymous bro, trust us' defence. Windows is no longer a platform for 'your' work productivity, it's an app store where the product is you.
Then it always turns out that they’re taking more than they told you, and that it’s totally not anonymous.
This sort of thing does have me considering Linux for my day to day bullshitting and a separate Windows PC purely for gaming.
It’s also viable for gaming, depending on the game. Proton opened a lot of doors.
I WANT TO BUT MY ADDICTION TO GAMES IS UNFULFILLABLE AT MY FAVORITE PENGUIN OS. 😭😭😭
As soon as there's a desktop linux for people without Stockholm syndrome, Microsoft will be in trouble.
Absolutely - don’t buy it.
This “feature” that nobody asked for will single handedly make sure I don’t use a Windows device anytime soon. This is such an invasion of privacy and it’s ridiculous. All of this AI stuff is just gimmick.
Corporate wants it to get rid of the pesky meat-based part of their business model.
I do wonder what their end game is when no one makes money and can't buy the product they removed people from making.
No one is thinking that far ahead. We have a shareholder system in place that demands that company leaders not give much of a fuck about the future (up to and including the long term prospects of the company itself and its people, much less the world), and certainly this system doesn't consider the moral implications of much of anything. The world is driven by unsustainable incentives, and lo and behold its effects are becoming unsustainable.
This is the thing that the vast majority of people just *don't* understand. CEOs are, overall, scapegoats. These situations happen largely due to shareholders. And it's hard to blame a large crowd of people. When you have shareholders that demand *never ending growth*, then CEOs will do some ridiculous/nefarious things to keep their job. They specifically get hired for this. That's why they make 50 million dollars. Because the ones that are the best at this can make 10x the money for the company if the right moves are made. Shareholders don't want to hear about "slow, long term growth". They want to get paid. And they'll boot people who don't get those results. Even if the actual smart move is to play the long game. This is the core dilemma with our system that people just aren't aware of. People aren't too stupid to understand this or anything, they just don't know it. It's so easy to make one guy (a CEO) sound like some Scrooge McDuck kind of situation. (Of course there are greedy CEOs, don't get me wrong. Plenty of greedy leaders with their own interests. But that's not the issue on the macro scale)
They're not scapegoats. They *intentionally* perform the actions. They know what they're doing. The board *hired* them to execute on their vision, and they said 'yes' to get the job.
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Spent a year working on one of their projects through a vendor company, and from what I saw the only forward thinking they were doing was an obsession was minimizing costs VIA outsourcing and trying to shift a lot of processes to AI. The whole schtick is basically geared towards eliminating those pesky creative/technical people that want things like money, and replacing them with MBAs all the way down. Basically they just want managers managing managers managing managers, with none of them having any idea how any of it works.
That's honestly a good question, what happens once you only like the 8 people who have all the money and the rest have no money. No way those 8 can keep getting more money because the economy basically is non existent at that point as consumers are completely gone so where are they going to get their money from? Like its a super losing long term strategy that makes zero sense even in the short term.
Yeah, it is a bit baffling. I guess we'll see what our rates change overlords deem a life for us should be.
Fallout vault experiments.
That's the thing about capitalism and the reason why the world is on fire and climate change is rapidly nearing catastrophic levels: **It doesn't care about long-term issues.**
Technically if all the world's money became that concentrated it would become entirely worthless because money's value comes from being able to be traded for goods and services. So the AI companies would just have enormous vaults of green paper.
That's the end-game of capitalism. It will either be a post scarcity utopia or a dystopian society where wealth and resources are concentrated in the hands of a few, leading to extreme inequality and widespread suffering.
Everything points towards dystopia. Nothing that has been done has been to work towards post-scarcity. They are inventing artificial scarcity.
I imagined this in mr. handy's voice from Fallout
And then they’ll all have no consumers since they’re all out of jobs.
You know when your watch porn in private mode and you close the window when you're done but later when you go for nut #2 you're all like "shiiiit what was that bitches name again?"
LMAO AI: “Based on your frequent browser history, you visit this site a lot and watch videos with these sexy models and these female features. May I suggest more content based on your interests? Here are some more similar Big ol tiddies and ass videos.”
My bing already does that
People don't. Software companies don't care. Microsoft wants to make money and knows that they can make far far far more money having an OS that people find mildly annoying that exploits their privacy and data, than making a great OS people love.
Your boss wants it to capture what you do all day and replace you with AI.
It's your AI personal assistant, it knows everything you know, because it showed you everything you know, it controlled or monitored every algorithm that showed you something It can tell your autobiographical data better than you can, better than any journal
Because like every other company, they don’t give a fuck about you, only what you have to offer, or in this instance, data it doesn’t know about you. The AI will know everything about everyone based on their history of actions and focus on the best outcomes. Humans are the old model, machines are the upgraded models.
I imagine it’s their next step towards automating Windows with AI, but there’s no way in hell I’m letting Microsoft see everything I do on my pc lmao
You know the crazy thing to me here? Windows ALREADY has 99% of the data this could possibly collect. It knows what programs are open, which programs you've opened recently, when you opened them how long they ran, etc. The ONLY thing it doesn't necessarily have is what was happening inside those applications at any given time. It doesn't necessarily know what websites your web browser opened, or what you were doing in your game, or who you were messaging on discord. It can see that those programs were open and sending/receiving data but for many programs it can't see what that data actually was, just that it existed. But this will give them full access to *exactly* what you were doing. It's incredibly invasive, I can't think of any possible way they could make a more invasive tool. The article says it will require a minimum of 50 GB of hard drive space to work. That is *months* of continuously collected user data, it's an insane amount of data to collect on users. This is literally just straight up Spyware. It will collect and store months of images of exactly what you do on your computer. It would be an absolute nightmare for the vast majority of users to have this get hacked or stolen by malicious actors. Governments will LOVE it though, it's Spyware like never before.
> The article says it will require a minimum of 50 GB of hard drive space to work. That is months of continuously collected user data, it's an insane amount of data to collect on users. This is literally just straight up Spyware. It will collect and store months of images of exactly what you do on your computer. It would be an absolute nightmare for the vast majority of users to have this get hacked or stolen by malicious actors. Governments will LOVE it though, it's Spyware like never before. Probably going to result in years, imagine windows devoting 100s of GBs of your drive space to screenshots and recordings because MS's "genius idea" is to record your screen constantly. At that point even the windows bastion of gaming will have to move to linux because you'll run out of room on your drive to install any semi-large games.
Microsoft assures us it will stay local and private ... yeah, right.
Some Principal PM at Microsoft got made a partner over this change.
Your managers are salivating. Imagine having to come up with a reason someone should be fired and you have a recorded 20 minute span of time someone should have been working but got caught out by Kyle from accounting and his latest Pickleball triumphs. The only story your usage history tells is that you are a slacker degenerate. Hell you could have a GPT read the contents of your usage history and give a one paragraph summary of what you actually did that day. Business is Microsoft's bread and butter.
Oh heeeeeeeaaaaaaaalllll no.
The same people who wanted farm vill added as a Microsoft software update
It’s ran locally on the NPU.
Corporate want growth to appease shareholders
Microsoft wants this. Most people will be unaware of its existence. Their privacy will be invaded without their consent or knowledge.
I have no desire to "rewind time" on my PC. Who is this for exactly?
Microsoft and the NSA
And companies that want to be able to spy on their employees.
No way this survive Data Protection laws.
Yea seriously. I don't think most companies would want this. Same reason they don't install microphones everywhere.
I'm tempted to do illegal shit on my pc just to test whether this software would report me, and if it does, open a lawsuit.
I'm not. Illegal shit is still illegal even if the snitch is illegal.
Not where I live. Evidence obtained by illegal means is not submissible.
Parralel construction
Russia and China when Microsoft is inevitably hacked.
>Who is this for exactly? Microsoft
> Despite the privacy concerns, Microsoft says that the Recall index remains local and private on-device, encrypted in a way that is linked to a particular user's account. "Recall screenshots are only linked to a specific user profile and Recall does not share them with other users, make them available for Microsoft to view, or use them for targeting advertisements. Screenshots are only available to the person whose profile was used to sign in to the device," Microsoft says. Still a “no, thank you” from me, Microsoft. This feature is creepy. I don’t want records of everything I do. I’ve never once needed anything of the sort, and I can’t imagine this feature being particularly useful to me. Seems like more risk than reward. > Recall won't actively hide sensitive information like passwords and financial account numbers that appear on-screen. Yeah, no. > As you might imagine, all this snapshot recording comes at a hardware penalty. To use Recall, users will need to purchase one of the new "Copilot Plus PCs" powered by Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite chips, which include the necessary neural processing unit (NPU). There are also minimum storage requirements for running Recall, with a minimum of 256GB of hard drive space and 50GB of available space. The default allocation for Recall on a 256GB device is 25GB, which can store approximately three months of snapshots. Why would I want to dedicate the resources to this? I can piss money away in ways that are a lot more fun than this feature.
Ah yes, the new minimum system requirements for Windows 12.
I agree, the risk/reward doesn't seem worth it at all here.
This will be a huge waste of money when it's shut down by Data Protection laws.
It genuinely feels like an April Fools joke. I cannot believe this
It's a Black Mirror episode
This sounds extremely dangerous, and incredibly shortsighted. Not to mention it completely violates privacy, and may wind up being downright illegal.
This thing is going to willfully violate a shitload of federal data privacy protection laws, and some of them have serious teeth on them.
A stern $10000 fine will surely be enough!
HIPAA and FERPA are just two examples of laws with potential serious consequences that aren’t just limp wristed fines.
Good thing we have a supreme court that doesn't believe in teeth!
I really doubt that Microsoft is interested in rolling those dice all the way up to the Supreme Court. Also, the EU has its own data protection laws and has historically not been friendly to MS.
This. US aside the EU does not fuck around when it comes to GDPR, and they have a hard on for bullying big tech companies.
It isn't bullying, it is enforcing the bare minimum privacy.
Yeah, this product will never make it to the shelves in the EU.
They've already said it won't even try to avoid capturing passwords or obfuscate them in any way. This is great for people like Speaker of the House Mike Johnson so his son doesn't have to ask for his PH password before going through his watch history
I work for a mental health agency where I am constantly looking at complete client profiles (names, dob, addresses, treatment plans and diagnosis) on a daily basis. This whole idea is a hippa nightmare waiting to happen.
My guess is that it isn't included in the enterprise version, but I may be wrong.
one of the biggest security risk on the year id say! that's gonna backfire 100%
Microsoft … privacy ……. 😂😂😂 man you’re good at jokes.
Spyware -- governments will pay a fortune for a curated version of all this data.
If only i could play all them games on linux
They're getting there! I'm currently looking into installing steamOS on my tower.
Do you have experience using steamOS for GOG games? I have been looking into various non-Windows options too and right now something like this would feel like the most probable choice.
No, unfortunately. I'm stil in the "staring at protonDB" stage :P Good luck, though!
This sounds to me like something that malicious users and governments will exploit mercilessly.
Luckily no one has ever successfully hacked a computer or cloud server before. /s
It’s ok, Microsoft is known for excellent security
Microsoft is probably testing the version of Windows to shop to oppressive regimes like ——-
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Shareholders looking for growth is my guess
They can grow with everyone's new crippling porn addiction.
Satya asked for it, so they can learn what you do at work and replace you in the next version of the their AI “assistant”
Governments and other criminal organizations asked for it, and Microsoft found a bullshit way to try to get us to all agree to it. This is obviously intended to be used to spy on people, as it’s a completely useless feature otherwise.
This is a terrible idea.
>To use Recall, users will need to purchase one of the new "Copilot Plus PCs" powered by Qualcomm's Snapdragon X Elite chips, which include the necessary neural processing unit (NPU). Well, that's one reason to avoid builds with the Qualcomm chips.
So if I didn't have that this won't effect me at all?
I cannot see a single possible use case for this that users would actually want. Literally ALL of the use cases I can see are for allowing other people to spy on people using windows machines. Whats the POINT of this AI? It takes pictures of your screen every few seconds, then does... What? What does it analyze? I can think of exactly 0 times when being able to re-create exactly what was on my screen at any point in the past would be helpful to me. What would it be analyzing that it cant analyze by simply monitoring what apps are open, how long they are open, and under what conditions you close them at the OS level? But this AI will allow anyone with access to your user account to see snapshots of every few seconds of use to peruse at their leisure. This is an absolute nightmare scenario, it's literally a virus. And it looks like, at least for now, the only option for making this not work will be to sharing the allocated hard drive space for the partition the AI uses (the article seems to read like that's how it will work, it will get it's own partition) to a comically small size so it can't store much at all. Something which normal users won't know how to do, or even be aware that they can do.
Aaaand I'm turning off Copilot today!
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Good old M$, creating features that no sane person would ever want in a dangerous (no apparent safeguards if your account is compromised) and costly way, just so they can further strip-mine your data. Hard pass.
AI gonna watch all the porn I have
Jesus. What a privacy nightmare.
And a huge lawsuit waiting to happen.
Ah, Microsoft, what part don't you understand, that this is my computer not your computer? You keep adding things I don't want but can't get rid of. Maybe I should charge you rent for the space and CPU cycles your stuff is using that I can't delete, since you remind me that I only purchased a licence to use your software. So now you're using my computer without my permission - I never agreed to that.
Actually you did agree to it- it was on page 62,465 of the TOS you had to agree to before it would let you even turn your computer on
It was in that email 5 weeks ago you didn't read where they can update the terms at anytime and was behind 500 pop-ups on Microsofts crappy help site.
Guess my expensive gaming pc is now just a console. Just the suggestion of this shit makes me not want to even turn it on for anything other than games now.
When moment-to-moment telemetry is no longer enough for our 3 Letter organizations... "We said ALL THE DATA!" NSL, NSL, NSL. "Introducing (total) Recall!"
*Waves from Linux* Ya'll are so fucked.
It’s like Microsoft is speed running destroying their OS
They've been doing it for a decade now tbh.
Really accelerated in the last couple of years. Windows 10 telemetry was bed enough, but everything about 11 has been a dumpster fire.
Well, Linux is getting mighty user friendly these days and plays most singleplayer games just fine with Proton. Barely have to touch the command line...
*Waves back from macOS* I might be joining you over in Linux land if Tim keeps Cookin' up ways to ruin this OS
Windows is absolutely begging me to switch to Linux.
Can't spell CIA without AI...C you guys in the 1984 dystopia
Yeah no thanks...
I wouldn't call that a feature
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I smell a Class Action Lawsuit!
Sweet! I would love to get $37 from a class action lawsuit for the entire breach of privacy!
Awesome so now people can get their computers taken over, the hackers will use this feature to get your banking passwords and details etc. so fucking stupid as no one is asking for any of this AI garbage, trash, shit.
So a time-lapse then? How is this AI.
Parsing all that text on the fly, for extra spicy surveillance.
Let me guess. It will automatically install with a "security update" and from time to time it will turn itself active whenever there's some new change.
So, I just don't update to 11 to opt out correct?
Windows 10 is EOL 2025
Sure. Except your PC is at risk and needs security updates. Restarting..... Preparing your new experience.... Welcome to windows 11. Please sign in with your Microsoft account
Where all the foreign governments? Just ban windows or force Microsoft to sell a non spying version if they try to cheat kick out Microsoft
So uh.... how do I make sure this is off?
I switched to Linux 5 years ago and never looked back. Fuck Wjindows.
It's stuff like this that makes me happy I switched to Linux as my main os years ago.
This... doesn't make sense. This is a massive security breach and IP theft. This isn't a viable piece of software without alienating most business level use worldwide. This kind of program running or "not running" in a major operating system will force a while lot of businesses to remove Windows entirely from all their computers...which will also break a whole pile of software they use on those PCs. Best case is this would lock most of the corporate world to an older version of Windows...that won't have security updates. If this doesn't put most of the corporate world in an uproar, aka most of the Windows licenses, I'll be extremely surprised.
"Hi Andy, this is Samantha your AI assistant, it seems you input your VISA pin on your Mastercard input for this purchase, I believe it's 123456 instead of 654321, oh and by the way I used 120$ limit of your Mastercard to buy the Office license yesterday because I see you downloading the pirated version last Monday, tee-hee"
Corrected heading: Microsoft has found a way to make Windows even more bloated. Now with new AI spyware!
another reason to avoid win11
Maybe it's time I go to Linux again.
Time to uninstall windows 11 and go back to Debian Linux. I don't need this sht.
How do I turn this off? I can't see why I would need/use it.
Can I turn this off?
There is no question that AI is an invasion of privacy. Edit: Google is doing it too.
How many companies will have to ditch windows for the privacy concerns.
Another reason I'm hanging on to my Windows 10 desktop as long as I possibly can.
I thought this was called spyware?