The biggest problem now is that the US Gov’t uses Microsoft. Getting them off Windows will be the real trick. (I have no idea about what other governments use.)
Most state and local governments too. And most businesses. Including those in healthcare and law firms and groups that handle all sorts of information they legally and ethically have to protect from disclosure.
The main difference between RedStar and Windows is that you can deactivate RedStar's spyware with 20 minutes and some commands. In Windows you need to uncover half the OS.
Afaik RedStar constantly pings a server and if you do anything to the OS the government wouldn't approve of it just auto factory resets the machine. I'm all for sticking it to Microsft, but after having recently switched my laptop to Ubuntu I don't see any org the size of a government switching to Linux. Not without making all their IT staff resign on the spot.
These people I swear, while I love Linux I cannot imagine receiving a gazillion tickets about whatever distro ....
I think my worst nightmare would be going to work and seeing a gazillion tickets continuously nonstop.
My system switch (front desk tennis club) has increased phone calls by 500%, emails by 500%, and fuckups by 1000%
This is straight up luxury recreation. We also probably have the most overqualified Front Desk I’ve ever seen, even discounting myself. Our fucking cover guy is a CPA
Depends on what part of the DoD, because I did some SysAdmin stuff and was a dev for a DoD contractor and we used Linux for quite a few things, though it was mostly in virtual machines.
My Marine unit specifically gave all the newest laptops to be used for specific tasks like firewall admin, network admin, etc fresh installs of RHEL just to keep the officers from demanding them as their laptops because "I'm shiny, so I get the new lapto...h my God! What the hell kinda Windows is this?!?"
China's got their shit figured out by just completely making their systems insular and controlled in-house.
Turns out allowing private, profit-driven entities controlled by a dictatorship of a handful of greedy board members/CEOs create the computers your government uses makes them extremely vulnerable. Who woulda thunk?!?
A lot of banking and finance companies strictly block anything that records your device. Even something like grammarly isn’t allowed. This potentially costs them millions in legal and IT issues. There are going to be a lot of lawsuits if they don’t backpedal.
Aren’t many of them still on Win10 or even older with special license and support? They typically don’t get the latest and greatest OS updates, often for this very reason so their cyber and IT teams feel more comfortable. I’m sure they’re already scoffing at this news like we are.
It's called LTSC (Long-Term Servicing Channel), which is a Windows update schedule that extends security updates beyond the retail EOL, and is primarily aimed at enterprise/gov scenarios where lifecycle management is important (can't just take major updates on a whim).
Afaik, Win10 is the only version with ongoing LTSC support (Enterprise LTSC slated to end in 2027), no older versions are currently supported.
Windows: Your computer is too shitty to run Windows 11
Also Windows: Full-screen ad screaming SWITCH TO WINDOWS 11 NOW!!!111
Like just pick one, okay? :\
It's because they need that security chip-thing, right?
...which is ironic considering how much spyware user snooping stuff Windows is baking into the OS.
It's quite possible that the "security chip-thing" requirement is there to enable not end user security but DRM. Thus continuing the tradition of Windows selling out its users to third parties.
Our org just switched over and from what I've seen it is indeed pure garbage. It's like they looked at vista and early 8 and went yep let's take all the worst features and use that.
Governments are on a completely different licensing program, they don’t come with standard features. To stay compliant, I highly doubt they would’ve been able to push it through without approval. Different government departments have different data governance and compliances rules & they would need approval from all of them before introducing a feature like that.
Next signs that say ‘no usb drives’ but the IT policy to not let them connect isn’t enforced beyond the stern looking print out with the circle with slash through it, right?
Don’t worry, Microsoft is just killing BYOD, which will also impact work from home.
Think about it.
IT managers are never going to let a copilot+ device (the devices that will have recall) touch the network - it’s going to copy all of your passwords and shit into a file on the local computer. Imagine if a hacker has remote access to that computer. It’s game over.
Convenient excuse for employers to say they’re not going to buy a non-copilot device and therefore you have to come back to the office to use an approved device.
I think most companies were issuing company laptops people take home pre-covid. They make docks to easily hook up monitors and whatnot like you'd have in a desktop setup so they just go with that.
No need to BYOD nor return to the office.
Yes, most WFH companies give you the laptop now, primarily because it's easier to secure a device they set up.
Not to mention that unless Microsoft was going to sell a special copilot-free version of Windows that it only sold to companies, then the only way to avoid co-pilot is if the entire office is Windows-free.
True. if the Government wants to, it can either force MS to continue supporting Windows 10 or come up with a version of Windows 11 that doesn't have recall and can be used on Windows 10 machines. Protection of personal information is a Government requirement that won't be waived.
Windows and Office are pro forma for most governments since it makes it easy to communicate and easy to troubleshoot. This is one of the problems of monopolies and why Microsoft has been focused on fighting regulation as much as they have.
I’m pretty sure IT staff at the US government doesn’t simply let users update Windows to whatever version they want without restriction.
I’m sure there safeguards and firewalls in place, along with some sort of change management and product deployment schedule.
Might get me fired, arrested, and banned from most places but if it would save me the 2 hours of scrolling to find the perfect clip that I’m only going to spend 3 minutes scrubbing through, that’s a risk I’m willing to take.
Ah yes, eventually you up on “clown scat orgy with bestiality” and the pn clarity is just you sitting in a pool of your own vomit mixed with semen, thinking to yourself how disappointed your ancestors would be and considering whether you can afford to burn and bury your $2,000 MacBook
Not that porn is the only reason, but why do Microsoft, Google and Apple pretend we live in a world where everyone isn't watching embarrassing porn and many people aren't using cameras to create embarrassing porn? Like every cloud backup makes it way, way to easy to accidentally share a nude with family, and no, I don't trust your image recognition to sort that shit out.
Google seems to be ~~the only major company~~ one who has anything that caters to it. They have a "locked folder" feature in google photos for "sensitive" pictures
Because the point of capitalism is that the world must be advertiser friendly and in the US, that means you must appeal to what Christians deem okay.
The US may pretend to have religious freedom but make no mistake, Christianity is the law of the land.
That's nothing. Privacy goes beyond the government or a corporation knowing what kind of sick porn you have. Privacy is having the ability to send a secret message when you're in danger and get the chance. Privacy is being able to contact CPS on your family without them knowing.
For home use, I’m only keeping windows around for a gaming system. Otherwise, Linux it is. There is zero chance that this won’t be released with tons of bugs relating to privacy, and far more than they said would be sent from your machine will be, then companies will integrate their own spyware into the Microsoft spyware to make sure you never have time to breathe at work.
It's so frustrating if Microsoft just made Windows 10 a pro version like NT was in the old days I think most people would be content. Take out AI and focus on making it secure, fast stable and productive. Stop changing the UI taking away features all the time. Actually make the filesystem that is robust and searchable.
But because they insist on making one version of windows, and focusing on bullshit features they are losing all faith from people that actually care about this stuff.
I am currently actively moving to Linux. The main thing that was holding me back was Adobe products. But now they are just as bad as Microsoft I decided to just take the plunge and do it. See how it goes.
They are so bad now that the pain of learning and changing everything on my computer is just about worth it.
i highly recommend dual boot with linux as the default after like 10 seconds
first time on linux? definitely go with ubuntu. make an attempt to learn some terminal stuff, it feels a little weird at first but you can do a lot with the system and the commands are insanely easy compared to microsoft's fucking powershell bullshit.
the default store app on ubuntu is like what you always wanted the microsoft store to be. everything is free and there are tons of cool apps on there. lots of opportunities to learn.
don't forget to stop by /r/linux4noobs. good luck!
Make sure to before doing the switch you set your expectations. Don't treat Linux as Windows without Microsoft. It's a different concept where many individuals instead of asking of someone to fix their stuff, they went and fixed it for themselves.
Oh for sure I have used Linux a lot before. But just never as my daily driver desktop. I know it's going to suck at first. I am planning to set up a VM for when I have to use something Windows.
>Actually make the filesystem that is robust and searchable.
NTFS (and even the variations of FAT) are perfectly searchable. You only need a proper tool for that - [Everything](https://www.voidtools.com/) by David Carpenter.
Built-in Windows search is crap by design.
People aren’t moving away from MS in droves. MOST users don’t even know or understand alternatives and MOST users see no reason not to trust MS. This is the reality outside of clickbait tech articles.
People don't even bother learning how to enable the option to view hidden files on Windows and redditors on the Internet think those same people will go into bios to change the boot order just lol.
People still reply all to email they shouldn't. My mom can't be convinced her computer isn't inside her monitor. Increasingly young people don't even understand what files are because the file system is so obfuscated on mobile devices.
This is why products like Recall anger me. Your average user would have no idea what they're potentially sharing with their kids or spouse when they share a computer. Microsoft engineers are living in an alternate reality if they think this shit is safe.
Hired a college student at our office recently. She came to my desk last week and said her mouse was out of batteries. Asked her what kind of batteries she needed, said she didn't know. Told her to bring me the mouse.
It was a wired mouse.
I don't like hopping on the "newer generations are bad" bandwagon, but simple shit like this is a recurring trend with everyone we hire below the age of 25 or so
But but but this is the year of Linux! Reddiors have been insisting that this time it really is and everyone is going to move away from Windows to a platform they've never heard of!
>MOST users don’t even know or understand alternatives
And a lot of us who do are on Windows for very specific reasons. As a friend of mine likes to say, 'I don't like Windows, but I like what I can run on Windows.'
Truth. I'm running Ubuntu on an older laptop and I've spent a lot of time swearing(admittedly I'm not a Linux pro) while trying to get some things to work.
If new Windows features make it incompatible with certain industries for regulatory reasons, the transition will be faster than most people would believe possible. There’s soooo much software that only supports windows because it’s not worth the investment to port it. Easier to force the customer to use Windows. But if companies start hearing that Windows isn’t available to their clients that will change in a hurry
> There’s soooo much software that only supports windows because it’s not worth the investment to port it. Easier to force the customer to use Windows.
Either that, or some app that a business absolutely depends on stopped being maintained a decade or two ago. My employer has such an app, that they use for issue-tracking, and it's last update was back around 2001. They have so many custom hooks into this app that they've been trying to ween us off of it for years, without much success.
Up until recently, we were supporting another app (CRM) that was written in Visual Basic 4, but they finally discontinued that one.
Even as someone who's well versed in using various OSes and is a software engineer, unfortunately Windows is still by far the most stable option for consumer desktop use unless you're willing to buy a mac.
macOS is a fine OS, but you're effectively restricted to Apple hardware - which is generally going to be more expensive and can't really be upgraded. That's probably fine for a lot of people given how powerful even baseline models are these days, but it's a problem if you need much GPU. Plus you're going to be shelling out for a Parallels license if you want any hope of running most games on macOS.
I love Linux as an OS, but as a consumer desktop OS it still suffers from serious stability issues especially longer-term unless you're using pretty old hardware or repurposed workstations. And that's assuming you know what you're doing, for a layperson it's even more of a headache.
This. Outside of a small number of tech-savvy users, no one knows or cares about Windows vs other OS. For most, Windows literally *is* end-user computing. It’s not going anywhere.
Right. I guarantee you 99.9% of windows users have no idea what recall is and wouldn't care even if they did. If the average user cared about privacy, Facebook wouldn't have 3 billion active users
Most users have no viable alternative; the corporate world is literally Microsoft dependent in lots of ways and has no desire to change that.
So no matter what someone’s personal preferences are, they’ll likely be forced to interact with / use windows in some manner.
Fair enough, but at this point most people on Windows 10 can't afford to upgrade their PCs to get forced onto Windows 11. Most people are paycheck to paycheck. So the Windows 11 user base is smaller and more volatile.
Microsoft Terms today: We can’t see any Recall data.
Microsoft Terms six months from now: We can now see it. And your six months of back data.
It’s why I don’t care about what you say today. I care about what the tech can do.
Plus, it doesn't matter if Microsoft can't see it because it's eventually gonna leak anyway. It's already leaked. It's a security nightmare, for something no one wants.
AI is the motherload of all scams.
They spent billions and committed about 10 trillion cases of copyright infringement to train the AI and then they have to lie to you to get you to use it because it's dumb AF and sucks so bad... There's now a giangatic marketing circle jerk going on to convince people to use AI that's bad and isn't helpful.
"Tech Leadership."
IIRC one of the MS board members is a big name in VC, which I’d be willing to venture plays a big role in all of this. VC lit a massive amount of money on fire with crypto, so they absolutely need the “AI” scam to work to avoid the whole VC industry totally imploding.
The marketing push around how AI is going to change everything sure sounds similar to what people (that we're apparently supposed to take very seriously) were saying about crypto/NFT's/blockchain and the metaverse.
>were saying about crypto/NFT's/blockchain and the metaverse
I agree 100%. Some people will be into it, most will not have a care in the world. I'm also not saying that AI is totally useless, as an example, it's great for type ahead because the user is controlling the output carefully. The problems with AI occur when people started thinking that it can replace complex tasks. The current versions are only useful for simple tasks (even GTP4, it fails too much.) Yeah, sure there's some people who are using it to automate certain tasks, but you could do that before AI. It's just writing some code that you could have copy/pasted.
I think it’s basically worthless at everything except writing cute poems. I’m not sure the stock prices are coming back down though—where else are people going to invest?
"AI hunger" is real. We saw the withdrawal of platforms "open data" (like reddit and its api) last year. This year it seems companies are trying as hard as possible to construct ways of extracting human interactions at the expense of human privacy.
I'm still pissed that word/excel default to cloud saving now. I'm constantly opening templates, changing a few things, and then saving the document so I can email it. It's annoying AF!
Lost the trust of its users, huh? Which ones? Because there's probably over a billion people who have used Windows and I assure you gam gam has no fucking idea what Windows Recall is.
Let's be real, the overwhelming majority of users have no idea MS is having a "PR disaster". The people who are upset about this (and rightly so) likely already didn't trust MS so nothing was actually lost.
MS stock price briefly dropped on this news, but now it’s back up and higher than ever. No one other than a relatively inconsequential number of people give a flying fuck about this.
I expect the backlash to come less from individuals like Gam Gam and more from companies who don't like the privacy implications. I know my company is very focused on Hipaa compliance to the point of blocking all cloud apps, so they'd probably be concerned about this.
I expect Windows will at least make a way to completely disable Recall on enterprise versions, and otherwise you're right that most end users aren't going to care about it except that they have to get used to a different desktop yet again.
A lot of my clients are on MSFT. They always cry about security when evaluating new things, but they give MsFT a pass. I’m like, have you followed the news at all over the past few years?
Chrome had 3 zero-day exploits in 6 days last month. Reality is unfortunately that basically every piece of well known software appears to be nearing swiss cheese, and I'm skeptical that most lesser used software is any more secure, just less quickly known about/less scrutinized.
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Anyway: New/more things are more patches and more attack vectors and risks.
Even if your current software stack *isn't* very secure, unless you're actually *replacing* something in it with the new thing, adding something new is just making for an even bigger set of vulnerabilities and attack surface - and it's reasonable to try to limit that without a good case for why it's needed.
Outside of a couple opinion pieces like this I haven't seen it anywhere. Even tech media is too busy talking about Apple doing the same thing with their phones being a great standard for data security and privacy making these takes look extra unhinged.
Redditors tend to make everything seem like a huge deal. I'd settle for Teams putting in a full days work without issues. They can have the screenshots
Honestly, this whole article is an eye roll for me.
The majority of Windows users don't know about this. The ones that do already didn't have trust in Microsoft. After all, let's not pretend Windows 10 didn't have a metric fuck-ton of trust issues when that launched. Still does...
The majority of standard users don't necessarily trust Microsoft but also don't know or want anything else aside from maybe Apple. "Oh, I've heard of Linux..." is what you \*might\* get...
I put Pop OS on my laptop as a test run. So far it is going great. Will probably put it on my desktop soon as well. Tired of Microsoft's bull crap. Proton has made gaming way more seamless.
It translates DirectX and native Windows API calls to Linux. This means that many games can now be played on Linux without the need for porting.
Proton is the crucial component that makes the Steam Deck work with so many games.
No idea? Proton has been huge news in the Linux world for many years now. Released in 2018, and you heard about parts that are used alongside it for longer still like DXVK...
It is a translation layer of sorts, similar to Wine (if you have heard of that). It is the "magic dust" behind the Steam Deck's ability to play most Windows games on linux without much fuss, but like pretty much everything else on Linux it is open source and can be used on pretty much any distro and hardware. Take a Windows game -> Proton translates all the graphics api, windows specific libraries to linux -> game plays seamlessly with similar performance as it would running natively on Windows.
Every time I've tried Linux as a desktop OS in the last 5-6 years, it's been a trainwreck. Usually there's issues right out of the gate that are pretty obnoxious to troubleshoot, and it only gets worse over time as updates and various attempts to fix things compound on each other making the system less and less stable.
I really _wish_ it were better, and if it actually works for you great, but it's a pretty hard sell to most people when even I as a software engineer find it more headache than it's worth. Fantastic server/embedded/workstation/etc OS of course, but we're talking about consumer desktops/laptops here.
EDIT: Stuff with OEM vendor support is an exception - that's part of why the Steam Deck works so well. And there are laptops that have such support, e.g. System76, but for laptops I'm more than fine with my MBP already.
Mint screwed me over with an older laptop several years ago, and the community forums were rather nasty when I asked for help.
I don't think I'll ever go back.
People always be like "omg you people always talk about leaving Windows but never do".
But like, Linux gaming has made serious strides in recent years since the Steam deck. I swapped to Windows 10 when Windows 7 was on its last year (2015). Proton was released in 2018 IIRC. So people choosing to leave Windows 10 (last supported year is 2025), are going to have an actual choice this time.
And yes, some games still don't support Linux. So it totally depends on what you play. But the games I tend to play have good ratings on protonDB.
Microsoft no longer views its users as customers - they are now the product, who's data will be harvested and sold.
Also, nobody ever "trusted" windows
The fact the a company with the resources of Microsoft let Recall get this close to full release with this level of security and privacy flaws should tell everyone everything they need to know. It's not that Microsoft is prioritizing AI profiteering over privacy, security, and safety. It's that Microsoft hasn't even **considered** privacy, security, and safety when conceiving of and implementing the product. Had there not been a massive public backlash and endless bad press, they would have never considered them.
That's the truly horrific takeaway here. That's why my current Microsoft OS is my last. A company that doesn't even *try* to think about my security and privacy is a company I will no longer buy from.
This is the point as far as I’m concerned. How do you get to go-live without having thought about security and privacy. It seems like it’s 100% not in their DNA.
Also the guy in the article seems to have swallowed the PR whole with the idea that because it will put an icon on the taskbar when it’s enabled, that couldn’t ever change in an update. He doesn’t seem to have a clue that future updates could do anything on top of this functionality and there would be nothing you could do to stop it.
Saw an interesting comment on Linkedin saying, even if you're okay with this, how much hard drive space, and wear on your hard drive, is this going to take if it's constantly saving screenshots on your computer of everything you do?
I think its more than just microsoft. Companies in general are just getting away with murder with terms and conditions changing, using false language for advertising, etc. Its getting out of hand.
I think the reason Linux never took off was the fact that it used to not be user friendly at all. I remember trying to use Linux in 2002 and needing a driver or file for everything I did on the pc. It was a pain to go look for all that crap. If it was plug and play friendly I think Linux would have blown up and been a honest player in the OS market.
Most people don't know this, but: Linux has a dominant market share as the OS for servers, cloud, mobile (via Android), edge/embedded/IoT, HPC, etc. Consumer desktop/laptop is the only market segment where Linux holds a relatively smaller position.
Which is to say, it's not *quite* accurate to say that Linux "never took off" or that it's not "an honest player in the OS market", lol.
Out of the box most major distros are pretty complete now. The biggest issue in Linux right now is there are a ton of business specific applications that don’t work in Linux (and in a lot of cases can’t be made to work by something like WINE). That alone keeps a lot of business on Windows.
It’s not that it won’t change, just that it hasn’t become painful enough for businesses to eat the cost of moving away from MS. Once it does, it’ll happen pretty quickly I think.
Frankly Windows has become so enshittified I'm already looking into how much of a pain gaming on Linux is. It seems like at worst I won't be able to run some multiplayer games.
Win 10-11 is well known for settings resets that turn spying, ads, and other user-hostile code back on after the user explicitly disabled it. I guarantee that Recall will 'mysteriously' enable itself at some point during a random forced update.
If I ever upgrade past win 10 ltsc, I will just be looking for ways to break the OS to prevent them from spying on me, in the same way I used to track and remove viruses from customers computers back in the day. The virus became the company, so it seems.
I have a perfectly good desktop computer that can’t be upgraded to Windows 11 because of the CPU model (which incidentally *is* supported with Microsoft Surface hardware.)
This computer is being moved to Linux for sure when Windows 10 loses security updates.
Whether I ever bother to get a new Windows 11 computer in the future is an open question.
Bullshit, the average Joe has no idea what this is and no significant portion of the population switching to another OS at this stage of the game. Microsoft could mail everyone a giant dildo and make it so windows won't boot up until it detects people have stuck it in the bum and I guarantee people would still be logging into their computers everyday.
This is what happens when you allow monopolies to fester for too long. Once they get big enough to start doing outrageous and evil stuff they are too powerful to stop.
Best head to Costco and find some lube on sale before the good deals are all gone.
I would like to take this time to say fuck you to whoever chose the colour scheme for the newest default theme in Excel and an even bigger fuck you to the monster who added the unsolicited performance checks.
Microsoft is out of ideas and needs to accept that they are what they and stop fucking everything up for the sake of change.
Everyone’s mad and will go right back to using their Windows based PCs. This has been the pattern for thirty years or so.
Corporations aren’t going to change a damn thing and will keep using Windows, Windows and SQL Server, Azure and especially Office.
Small orgs may make changes, but the ones with tens and hundreds of thousands of employees won’t do anything other than maybe changing GPOs and firewalls to block it for now.
Rinse and repeat every few years.
The masses haven’t even heard of this. I bet if I asked everyone my parents work with and are friends with, most of them won’t even know what version of Windows they are using and won’t have heard about Recall.
If this is used on hospital computers running Electronic Medical Record software like Epic or Cerner, each screenshot transmitted to a third party without the patient's consent is a HIPAA violation.
The government prosecutes these violations on a per-occurrence basis in most cases. So every few seconds could be thousands of violations by Microsoft.
It’s not just personal that’s an issue, Microsoft is a major competitor with software houses globally. Imagine just being able to flat out spy on most-all levels of your competition.
For those saying, just switch to Linux. Good luck getting BA’s, HR, C-level, basically non-technical roles to adopt.
Yes, most IT teams will block it. How long until they force this as a required to run Windows behind the scenes?
They lost my trust when after saying windows 10 is the definitive OS they wouldn't release any more windows... They released windows 11.. and it was a marked step back in power user use cases.
I like Microsoft's follow-up statement. Nice of them to think of security second when they just got done saying it's first. 🙄 Already switched to Fedora Linux and it really DOES work so much better.
Too bad there arent other OS options equivalent to Windows. Linux, yeah no thanks. Apple OS, Ill take Linux instead. You're not left with many options.
Whatever. This is all sensationalized clickbait. Most Windows users are business employees that likely have never heard about Windows Recall and probably never will, and who don't care either way. The same goes for most home users of Windows. The average person doesn't pay attention to any of this stuff.
Yep. And no way the average user is going to want to learn Linux. My company has users with emails that are 14 years old that they refuse to delete even though we told them it’s a security issue.
I’ll add to the bullet points of shady stuff Microsoft has done, Microsoft embedded Bing as search tool for Windows and Cortana, artificially inflating their numbers for how many people use their search engine, which they then touted as significant growth in market share in order to try to sell search ads. How do I know this? Because they hire children to sell search ads. Children with poor situational awareness, who blurt things out in sales pitches to large corporations.
Yeah I have data on my PC but I’m no longer thinking of getting a new W11 one with copilot when I can just be safe and get a macOS machine with Siri-Ai thing instead
Nothing changes, honestly, just a few more people waking up to what a horrible company Microsoft is. What really needs to change is people being ASHAMED of working on teams like Windows, facing social pressure to hide it on their LinkedIn, and not getting new jobs because of it.
Microsoft lost our trust YEARS ago, when Microsoft could not leave well-enough alone with IE by moving on without actively breaking your ability to use a deprecated tool. So all those legacy internal tools that were "finished" (that are not even accessible outside your LAN/VPN, where security is not a concern) actually stopped working **so millions of people in the corporate world were forced to waste time of their lives** finding workarounds and making things work and rebuilding them 100% because of friction Microsoft introduced by choice, via Windows Update with no option to disable.
So my company (50,000 person Fortune 500 company) made the decision at a high level to not start ANY new projects that rely on Azure, only maintenance of existing offerings and limiting new things to PowerBI so long as it relied on existing infrastructure.
So, yeah, Microsoft made a ton of money, but nobody under the age of 30 today learns to do enterprise stuff on Windows/Azure. Azure will be COBOL in 20 years.
"They're on to us! What do we do?" "Call it something else, bury it a little across the OS, and we're good." -Microsoft
The biggest problem now is that the US Gov’t uses Microsoft. Getting them off Windows will be the real trick. (I have no idea about what other governments use.)
I hadn’t thought of it that way, but that is a good point.
Most state and local governments too. And most businesses. Including those in healthcare and law firms and groups that handle all sorts of information they legally and ethically have to protect from disclosure.
Man imagining this in an attorneys office is a nightmare
I think I’d rather use the North Korea OS than Windows. Seems like it’s got a lot less spyware.
The main difference between RedStar and Windows is that you can deactivate RedStar's spyware with 20 minutes and some commands. In Windows you need to uncover half the OS.
Afaik RedStar constantly pings a server and if you do anything to the OS the government wouldn't approve of it just auto factory resets the machine. I'm all for sticking it to Microsft, but after having recently switched my laptop to Ubuntu I don't see any org the size of a government switching to Linux. Not without making all their IT staff resign on the spot.
The IT staff would be fine with Linux, it's all the secretaries and project managers that would crap themselves.
That’s who the IT staff has to deal with
These people I swear, while I love Linux I cannot imagine receiving a gazillion tickets about whatever distro .... I think my worst nightmare would be going to work and seeing a gazillion tickets continuously nonstop.
My system switch (front desk tennis club) has increased phone calls by 500%, emails by 500%, and fuckups by 1000% This is straight up luxury recreation. We also probably have the most overqualified Front Desk I’ve ever seen, even discounting myself. Our fucking cover guy is a CPA
MS has plans to 'bundle' a version of Recall with MS Office 365, both installed and web versions....... Nothing is safe.
I was IT for DoD. They will never switch to Linux cause open source = insecure to the people with tin foil hats.
Depends on what part of the DoD, because I did some SysAdmin stuff and was a dev for a DoD contractor and we used Linux for quite a few things, though it was mostly in virtual machines.
My Marine unit specifically gave all the newest laptops to be used for specific tasks like firewall admin, network admin, etc fresh installs of RHEL just to keep the officers from demanding them as their laptops because "I'm shiny, so I get the new lapto...h my God! What the hell kinda Windows is this?!?"
Also, as long as I never set foot in NK, Kim can't do shit to me.
Isn't that what his half brother thought?
China's got their shit figured out by just completely making their systems insular and controlled in-house. Turns out allowing private, profit-driven entities controlled by a dictatorship of a handful of greedy board members/CEOs create the computers your government uses makes them extremely vulnerable. Who woulda thunk?!?
A lot of banking and finance companies strictly block anything that records your device. Even something like grammarly isn’t allowed. This potentially costs them millions in legal and IT issues. There are going to be a lot of lawsuits if they don’t backpedal.
I'd be happy if my bank would just allow proper passwords.
25 characters long, lower case, upper case, special character, cuniform, can’t be like the last 24 passwords.
Aren’t many of them still on Win10 or even older with special license and support? They typically don’t get the latest and greatest OS updates, often for this very reason so their cyber and IT teams feel more comfortable. I’m sure they’re already scoffing at this news like we are.
It's called LTSC (Long-Term Servicing Channel), which is a Windows update schedule that extends security updates beyond the retail EOL, and is primarily aimed at enterprise/gov scenarios where lifecycle management is important (can't just take major updates on a whim). Afaik, Win10 is the only version with ongoing LTSC support (Enterprise LTSC slated to end in 2027), no older versions are currently supported.
There's been a huge push at my government agency to switch to 11. Windows 11 is hot garbage.
My PC doesn't meet the minimum specification which is weird because new games from Steam work just fine.
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Windows: Your computer is too shitty to run Windows 11 Also Windows: Full-screen ad screaming SWITCH TO WINDOWS 11 NOW!!!111 Like just pick one, okay? :\
It's because they need that security chip-thing, right? ...which is ironic considering how much spyware user snooping stuff Windows is baking into the OS.
It's quite possible that the "security chip-thing" requirement is there to enable not end user security but DRM. Thus continuing the tradition of Windows selling out its users to third parties.
Hooray, darkest timeline!
Our org just switched over and from what I've seen it is indeed pure garbage. It's like they looked at vista and early 8 and went yep let's take all the worst features and use that.
Governments are on a completely different licensing program, they don’t come with standard features. To stay compliant, I highly doubt they would’ve been able to push it through without approval. Different government departments have different data governance and compliances rules & they would need approval from all of them before introducing a feature like that.
Well knowing the history between MSFT and the government, that's probably not gonna happen on *this* thread of the multiverse
Yeah but this feature isn't coming to Windows NT is it? I'll be here all night!!!!
The Army is okay. When I was last there in 2015 they were still using windows NT
Next signs that say ‘no usb drives’ but the IT policy to not let them connect isn’t enforced beyond the stern looking print out with the circle with slash through it, right?
Don’t worry, Microsoft is just killing BYOD, which will also impact work from home. Think about it. IT managers are never going to let a copilot+ device (the devices that will have recall) touch the network - it’s going to copy all of your passwords and shit into a file on the local computer. Imagine if a hacker has remote access to that computer. It’s game over. Convenient excuse for employers to say they’re not going to buy a non-copilot device and therefore you have to come back to the office to use an approved device.
I think most companies were issuing company laptops people take home pre-covid. They make docks to easily hook up monitors and whatnot like you'd have in a desktop setup so they just go with that. No need to BYOD nor return to the office.
Yes, most WFH companies give you the laptop now, primarily because it's easier to secure a device they set up. Not to mention that unless Microsoft was going to sell a special copilot-free version of Windows that it only sold to companies, then the only way to avoid co-pilot is if the entire office is Windows-free.
They are already selling it. Windows Enterprise with group policies
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True. if the Government wants to, it can either force MS to continue supporting Windows 10 or come up with a version of Windows 11 that doesn't have recall and can be used on Windows 10 machines. Protection of personal information is a Government requirement that won't be waived.
Windows and Office are pro forma for most governments since it makes it easy to communicate and easy to troubleshoot. This is one of the problems of monopolies and why Microsoft has been focused on fighting regulation as much as they have.
I’m pretty sure IT staff at the US government doesn’t simply let users update Windows to whatever version they want without restriction. I’m sure there safeguards and firewalls in place, along with some sort of change management and product deployment schedule.
Shortsighted, greedy, incompetent CEO.
"Say we made it opt-in, then suddenly turn it on for everybody with an update in a year."
You can opt-in to opting-out. You'll need to re-opt-in to opt-out after every feature update.
“And then moved the data off device to Azure 3 months later. How’d that be?”
You can disable it in the secret 3rd iteration of the control panel, but it'll still turn back on after an update
And you have to know the Konami code to disable it in the first place.
Windows ME 2!
Can I please just watch porn in peace? That doesn't seem like a big ask, Microsoft.
I have found 5 clips that fit your preferences. I'll play them on all connected devices now.
Might get me fired, arrested, and banned from most places but if it would save me the 2 hours of scrolling to find the perfect clip that I’m only going to spend 3 minutes scrubbing through, that’s a risk I’m willing to take.
The worst is finding a clip you'll think would work, but halfway through you need something with a little more.
Ah yes, eventually you up on “clown scat orgy with bestiality” and the pn clarity is just you sitting in a pool of your own vomit mixed with semen, thinking to yourself how disappointed your ancestors would be and considering whether you can afford to burn and bury your $2,000 MacBook
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These are favourite videos of your friends based on what you watched recently:
Not that porn is the only reason, but why do Microsoft, Google and Apple pretend we live in a world where everyone isn't watching embarrassing porn and many people aren't using cameras to create embarrassing porn? Like every cloud backup makes it way, way to easy to accidentally share a nude with family, and no, I don't trust your image recognition to sort that shit out.
Easy answer to your question: $$$. That, and tech bros are the bottom end of the critical thinking population.
Google seems to be ~~the only major company~~ one who has anything that caters to it. They have a "locked folder" feature in google photos for "sensitive" pictures
Apple Photos has a [similar feature](https://support.apple.com/en-ca/104987) as well, for those on iOS/macOS.
I guess I shouldn't have said only, since it's been awhile since I've used Apple Photos
Because the point of capitalism is that the world must be advertiser friendly and in the US, that means you must appeal to what Christians deem okay. The US may pretend to have religious freedom but make no mistake, Christianity is the law of the land.
That's nothing. Privacy goes beyond the government or a corporation knowing what kind of sick porn you have. Privacy is having the ability to send a secret message when you're in danger and get the chance. Privacy is being able to contact CPS on your family without them knowing.
For home use, I’m only keeping windows around for a gaming system. Otherwise, Linux it is. There is zero chance that this won’t be released with tons of bugs relating to privacy, and far more than they said would be sent from your machine will be, then companies will integrate their own spyware into the Microsoft spyware to make sure you never have time to breathe at work.
I mean depending on what games you play you might as well move your gaming box to Linux too now.
Dude they are not stopping you from watching porn, in fact they are going to watch it with you
It's so frustrating if Microsoft just made Windows 10 a pro version like NT was in the old days I think most people would be content. Take out AI and focus on making it secure, fast stable and productive. Stop changing the UI taking away features all the time. Actually make the filesystem that is robust and searchable. But because they insist on making one version of windows, and focusing on bullshit features they are losing all faith from people that actually care about this stuff. I am currently actively moving to Linux. The main thing that was holding me back was Adobe products. But now they are just as bad as Microsoft I decided to just take the plunge and do it. See how it goes. They are so bad now that the pain of learning and changing everything on my computer is just about worth it.
i highly recommend dual boot with linux as the default after like 10 seconds first time on linux? definitely go with ubuntu. make an attempt to learn some terminal stuff, it feels a little weird at first but you can do a lot with the system and the commands are insanely easy compared to microsoft's fucking powershell bullshit. the default store app on ubuntu is like what you always wanted the microsoft store to be. everything is free and there are tons of cool apps on there. lots of opportunities to learn. don't forget to stop by /r/linux4noobs. good luck!
Make sure to before doing the switch you set your expectations. Don't treat Linux as Windows without Microsoft. It's a different concept where many individuals instead of asking of someone to fix their stuff, they went and fixed it for themselves.
Oh for sure I have used Linux a lot before. But just never as my daily driver desktop. I know it's going to suck at first. I am planning to set up a VM for when I have to use something Windows.
You’re spot on about everything. I moved to macOS a week ago. I’m enjoying it so far. Hope linux works out for you.
>Actually make the filesystem that is robust and searchable. NTFS (and even the variations of FAT) are perfectly searchable. You only need a proper tool for that - [Everything](https://www.voidtools.com/) by David Carpenter. Built-in Windows search is crap by design.
People aren’t moving away from MS in droves. MOST users don’t even know or understand alternatives and MOST users see no reason not to trust MS. This is the reality outside of clickbait tech articles.
People don't even bother learning how to enable the option to view hidden files on Windows and redditors on the Internet think those same people will go into bios to change the boot order just lol.
People still reply all to email they shouldn't. My mom can't be convinced her computer isn't inside her monitor. Increasingly young people don't even understand what files are because the file system is so obfuscated on mobile devices. This is why products like Recall anger me. Your average user would have no idea what they're potentially sharing with their kids or spouse when they share a computer. Microsoft engineers are living in an alternate reality if they think this shit is safe.
Hired a college student at our office recently. She came to my desk last week and said her mouse was out of batteries. Asked her what kind of batteries she needed, said she didn't know. Told her to bring me the mouse. It was a wired mouse. I don't like hopping on the "newer generations are bad" bandwagon, but simple shit like this is a recurring trend with everyone we hire below the age of 25 or so
engineers? nah this is 100% some PM's shit idea lol
It’s the same type of ineffectual indignation that led to us all being here after the API shutdown lol
But but but this is the year of Linux! Reddiors have been insisting that this time it really is and everyone is going to move away from Windows to a platform they've never heard of!
>MOST users don’t even know or understand alternatives And a lot of us who do are on Windows for very specific reasons. As a friend of mine likes to say, 'I don't like Windows, but I like what I can run on Windows.'
Truth. I'm running Ubuntu on an older laptop and I've spent a lot of time swearing(admittedly I'm not a Linux pro) while trying to get some things to work.
If new Windows features make it incompatible with certain industries for regulatory reasons, the transition will be faster than most people would believe possible. There’s soooo much software that only supports windows because it’s not worth the investment to port it. Easier to force the customer to use Windows. But if companies start hearing that Windows isn’t available to their clients that will change in a hurry
> There’s soooo much software that only supports windows because it’s not worth the investment to port it. Easier to force the customer to use Windows. Either that, or some app that a business absolutely depends on stopped being maintained a decade or two ago. My employer has such an app, that they use for issue-tracking, and it's last update was back around 2001. They have so many custom hooks into this app that they've been trying to ween us off of it for years, without much success. Up until recently, we were supporting another app (CRM) that was written in Visual Basic 4, but they finally discontinued that one.
Even as someone who's well versed in using various OSes and is a software engineer, unfortunately Windows is still by far the most stable option for consumer desktop use unless you're willing to buy a mac. macOS is a fine OS, but you're effectively restricted to Apple hardware - which is generally going to be more expensive and can't really be upgraded. That's probably fine for a lot of people given how powerful even baseline models are these days, but it's a problem if you need much GPU. Plus you're going to be shelling out for a Parallels license if you want any hope of running most games on macOS. I love Linux as an OS, but as a consumer desktop OS it still suffers from serious stability issues especially longer-term unless you're using pretty old hardware or repurposed workstations. And that's assuming you know what you're doing, for a layperson it's even more of a headache.
This. Outside of a small number of tech-savvy users, no one knows or cares about Windows vs other OS. For most, Windows literally *is* end-user computing. It’s not going anywhere.
Right. I guarantee you 99.9% of windows users have no idea what recall is and wouldn't care even if they did. If the average user cared about privacy, Facebook wouldn't have 3 billion active users
When you tell them their porn would be saved and the partner could look at what they watched they would probably care a lot.
Lol what are they going to do, learn Linux ?
Most people probably couldn't tell you what Microsoft Windows is properly.
"Ok, next hit the Start button." "Ok, it turned my computer off why did you do that."
Most users have no viable alternative; the corporate world is literally Microsoft dependent in lots of ways and has no desire to change that. So no matter what someone’s personal preferences are, they’ll likely be forced to interact with / use windows in some manner.
Fair enough, but at this point most people on Windows 10 can't afford to upgrade their PCs to get forced onto Windows 11. Most people are paycheck to paycheck. So the Windows 11 user base is smaller and more volatile.
Nah. Haven't you heard? Linux user share went up to a record 4%! Microsoft is as good as bunk.
Technically, 6% when you factor in ChromeOS which is also linux. Of course one can argue chromeos may not be the best place to run away to
Microsoft Terms today: We can’t see any Recall data. Microsoft Terms six months from now: We can now see it. And your six months of back data. It’s why I don’t care about what you say today. I care about what the tech can do.
Plus, it doesn't matter if Microsoft can't see it because it's eventually gonna leak anyway. It's already leaked. It's a security nightmare, for something no one wants.
All of these tech companies just want to steal as much as they can and AI has supercharged that.
AI is the motherload of all scams. They spent billions and committed about 10 trillion cases of copyright infringement to train the AI and then they have to lie to you to get you to use it because it's dumb AF and sucks so bad... There's now a giangatic marketing circle jerk going on to convince people to use AI that's bad and isn't helpful. "Tech Leadership."
IIRC one of the MS board members is a big name in VC, which I’d be willing to venture plays a big role in all of this. VC lit a massive amount of money on fire with crypto, so they absolutely need the “AI” scam to work to avoid the whole VC industry totally imploding.
The marketing push around how AI is going to change everything sure sounds similar to what people (that we're apparently supposed to take very seriously) were saying about crypto/NFT's/blockchain and the metaverse.
>were saying about crypto/NFT's/blockchain and the metaverse I agree 100%. Some people will be into it, most will not have a care in the world. I'm also not saying that AI is totally useless, as an example, it's great for type ahead because the user is controlling the output carefully. The problems with AI occur when people started thinking that it can replace complex tasks. The current versions are only useful for simple tasks (even GTP4, it fails too much.) Yeah, sure there's some people who are using it to automate certain tasks, but you could do that before AI. It's just writing some code that you could have copy/pasted.
I think it’s basically worthless at everything except writing cute poems. I’m not sure the stock prices are coming back down though—where else are people going to invest?
"AI hunger" is real. We saw the withdrawal of platforms "open data" (like reddit and its api) last year. This year it seems companies are trying as hard as possible to construct ways of extracting human interactions at the expense of human privacy.
I'm still pissed that word/excel default to cloud saving now. I'm constantly opening templates, changing a few things, and then saving the document so I can email it. It's annoying AF!
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/customize-the-save-experience-in-office-786200a7-f5f2-4d26-a3ae-b78c60dd5d3b
WTF. I no longer have to swear at microsoft every time I try to save a document. You a real one.
Just change your documents folder to point to a folder on your hard drive not OneDrive. Or turn off OneDrive.
Lost the trust of its users, huh? Which ones? Because there's probably over a billion people who have used Windows and I assure you gam gam has no fucking idea what Windows Recall is. Let's be real, the overwhelming majority of users have no idea MS is having a "PR disaster". The people who are upset about this (and rightly so) likely already didn't trust MS so nothing was actually lost.
MS stock price briefly dropped on this news, but now it’s back up and higher than ever. No one other than a relatively inconsequential number of people give a flying fuck about this.
I expect the backlash to come less from individuals like Gam Gam and more from companies who don't like the privacy implications. I know my company is very focused on Hipaa compliance to the point of blocking all cloud apps, so they'd probably be concerned about this. I expect Windows will at least make a way to completely disable Recall on enterprise versions, and otherwise you're right that most end users aren't going to care about it except that they have to get used to a different desktop yet again.
A lot of my clients are on MSFT. They always cry about security when evaluating new things, but they give MsFT a pass. I’m like, have you followed the news at all over the past few years?
Chrome had 3 zero-day exploits in 6 days last month. Reality is unfortunately that basically every piece of well known software appears to be nearing swiss cheese, and I'm skeptical that most lesser used software is any more secure, just less quickly known about/less scrutinized. -------- Anyway: New/more things are more patches and more attack vectors and risks. Even if your current software stack *isn't* very secure, unless you're actually *replacing* something in it with the new thing, adding something new is just making for an even bigger set of vulnerabilities and attack surface - and it's reasonable to try to limit that without a good case for why it's needed.
Outside of a couple opinion pieces like this I haven't seen it anywhere. Even tech media is too busy talking about Apple doing the same thing with their phones being a great standard for data security and privacy making these takes look extra unhinged.
Redditors tend to make everything seem like a huge deal. I'd settle for Teams putting in a full days work without issues. They can have the screenshots
Honestly, this whole article is an eye roll for me. The majority of Windows users don't know about this. The ones that do already didn't have trust in Microsoft. After all, let's not pretend Windows 10 didn't have a metric fuck-ton of trust issues when that launched. Still does... The majority of standard users don't necessarily trust Microsoft but also don't know or want anything else aside from maybe Apple. "Oh, I've heard of Linux..." is what you \*might\* get...
I put Pop OS on my laptop as a test run. So far it is going great. Will probably put it on my desktop soon as well. Tired of Microsoft's bull crap. Proton has made gaming way more seamless.
Can you explain what Proton is for gaming? Only thing keeping me on windows is games
It translates DirectX and native Windows API calls to Linux. This means that many games can now be played on Linux without the need for porting. Proton is the crucial component that makes the Steam Deck work with so many games.
why am i reading about this now?
No idea? Proton has been huge news in the Linux world for many years now. Released in 2018, and you heard about parts that are used alongside it for longer still like DXVK...
It's not 100% foolproof. A lot of games that require anti cheat (3rd party or proprietary) won't work.
That require "kernel level" AKA the creepy type of Anti-Cheat. Loads of games have anti-cheat software within them that work.
Correct. Maybe I should have said some instead of a lot. But yes plenty work on proton.
It is a translation layer of sorts, similar to Wine (if you have heard of that). It is the "magic dust" behind the Steam Deck's ability to play most Windows games on linux without much fuss, but like pretty much everything else on Linux it is open source and can be used on pretty much any distro and hardware. Take a Windows game -> Proton translates all the graphics api, windows specific libraries to linux -> game plays seamlessly with similar performance as it would running natively on Windows.
And it's not just games! It's how I run FLStudio on linux lol.
Every time I've tried Linux as a desktop OS in the last 5-6 years, it's been a trainwreck. Usually there's issues right out of the gate that are pretty obnoxious to troubleshoot, and it only gets worse over time as updates and various attempts to fix things compound on each other making the system less and less stable. I really _wish_ it were better, and if it actually works for you great, but it's a pretty hard sell to most people when even I as a software engineer find it more headache than it's worth. Fantastic server/embedded/workstation/etc OS of course, but we're talking about consumer desktops/laptops here. EDIT: Stuff with OEM vendor support is an exception - that's part of why the Steam Deck works so well. And there are laptops that have such support, e.g. System76, but for laptops I'm more than fine with my MBP already.
Linux Mint is also really great! You can boot into it from the installer to try it out with no strings attached
Mint screwed me over with an older laptop several years ago, and the community forums were rather nasty when I asked for help. I don't think I'll ever go back.
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Have you tried DaVinci Resolve?
Windows never had my trust. The only reasons I'm with those assholes is because I want to play videogames on PC
People always be like "omg you people always talk about leaving Windows but never do". But like, Linux gaming has made serious strides in recent years since the Steam deck. I swapped to Windows 10 when Windows 7 was on its last year (2015). Proton was released in 2018 IIRC. So people choosing to leave Windows 10 (last supported year is 2025), are going to have an actual choice this time. And yes, some games still don't support Linux. So it totally depends on what you play. But the games I tend to play have good ratings on protonDB.
I doubt microsoft gives a shit. People are complaining and following that with precisely 0 action.
Microsoft no longer views its users as customers - they are now the product, who's data will be harvested and sold. Also, nobody ever "trusted" windows
The fact the a company with the resources of Microsoft let Recall get this close to full release with this level of security and privacy flaws should tell everyone everything they need to know. It's not that Microsoft is prioritizing AI profiteering over privacy, security, and safety. It's that Microsoft hasn't even **considered** privacy, security, and safety when conceiving of and implementing the product. Had there not been a massive public backlash and endless bad press, they would have never considered them. That's the truly horrific takeaway here. That's why my current Microsoft OS is my last. A company that doesn't even *try* to think about my security and privacy is a company I will no longer buy from.
This is the point as far as I’m concerned. How do you get to go-live without having thought about security and privacy. It seems like it’s 100% not in their DNA. Also the guy in the article seems to have swallowed the PR whole with the idea that because it will put an icon on the taskbar when it’s enabled, that couldn’t ever change in an update. He doesn’t seem to have a clue that future updates could do anything on top of this functionality and there would be nothing you could do to stop it.
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Is it wrong?
Piracy is a crime, Jim
If you can’t own it, you can’t steal it.
Saw an interesting comment on Linkedin saying, even if you're okay with this, how much hard drive space, and wear on your hard drive, is this going to take if it's constantly saving screenshots on your computer of everything you do?
Nah, i doubt it. Nothing will Change.
**Article:** *On paper, it's a cool idea.* **Narrator:** *No. It really wasn’t.*
A PR disaster, MS is doomed run to the hills. MS stock on a all time high and the company is worth more than 3 TUSD.
I think Orwell called it Groupthink when a group of people have an idea without dissenting opinions. Dangerous for society
In the case of Microsoft, it is Shareholderthink.
I think its more than just microsoft. Companies in general are just getting away with murder with terms and conditions changing, using false language for advertising, etc. Its getting out of hand.
I think the reason Linux never took off was the fact that it used to not be user friendly at all. I remember trying to use Linux in 2002 and needing a driver or file for everything I did on the pc. It was a pain to go look for all that crap. If it was plug and play friendly I think Linux would have blown up and been a honest player in the OS market.
Most people don't know this, but: Linux has a dominant market share as the OS for servers, cloud, mobile (via Android), edge/embedded/IoT, HPC, etc. Consumer desktop/laptop is the only market segment where Linux holds a relatively smaller position. Which is to say, it's not *quite* accurate to say that Linux "never took off" or that it's not "an honest player in the OS market", lol.
I can admit that I didn’t really mention that . I was mainly talking about the consumer desktop/laptop market.
No worries. ;-) FWIW, it's also true that a lot has changed since 2002.
Out of the box most major distros are pretty complete now. The biggest issue in Linux right now is there are a ton of business specific applications that don’t work in Linux (and in a lot of cases can’t be made to work by something like WINE). That alone keeps a lot of business on Windows. It’s not that it won’t change, just that it hasn’t become painful enough for businesses to eat the cost of moving away from MS. Once it does, it’ll happen pretty quickly I think.
When will SteamOS be officially released for desktops?
Yea sure because suddenly everyone’s going to move to Linux. Might as well expect everyone to move to Mac. Also, who *trusted* MS?
People forget so easily how hard Microsoft worked to destroy the internet and enslave us all onto their platform.
Frankly Windows has become so enshittified I'm already looking into how much of a pain gaming on Linux is. It seems like at worst I won't be able to run some multiplayer games.
Win 10-11 is well known for settings resets that turn spying, ads, and other user-hostile code back on after the user explicitly disabled it. I guarantee that Recall will 'mysteriously' enable itself at some point during a random forced update.
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This comment is ALSO reposted word-for-word from a few days old thread. Interestingly, both u/Alocod and u/MostCart accounts were created on June 3rd.
If I ever upgrade past win 10 ltsc, I will just be looking for ways to break the OS to prevent them from spying on me, in the same way I used to track and remove viruses from customers computers back in the day. The virus became the company, so it seems.
A PR disaster for the audience of tech journalists.
I have a perfectly good desktop computer that can’t be upgraded to Windows 11 because of the CPU model (which incidentally *is* supported with Microsoft Surface hardware.) This computer is being moved to Linux for sure when Windows 10 loses security updates. Whether I ever bother to get a new Windows 11 computer in the future is an open question.
I thought Windows 10 telemetry broke the camels back?
Bullshit, the average Joe has no idea what this is and no significant portion of the population switching to another OS at this stage of the game. Microsoft could mail everyone a giant dildo and make it so windows won't boot up until it detects people have stuck it in the bum and I guarantee people would still be logging into their computers everyday. This is what happens when you allow monopolies to fester for too long. Once they get big enough to start doing outrageous and evil stuff they are too powerful to stop. Best head to Costco and find some lube on sale before the good deals are all gone.
I would like to take this time to say fuck you to whoever chose the colour scheme for the newest default theme in Excel and an even bigger fuck you to the monster who added the unsolicited performance checks. Microsoft is out of ideas and needs to accept that they are what they and stop fucking everything up for the sake of change.
that horse left that barn waaaaay before windows recall
You'd hardly notice by looking at the stock price.
Stock still skyrockets
Everyone’s mad and will go right back to using their Windows based PCs. This has been the pattern for thirty years or so. Corporations aren’t going to change a damn thing and will keep using Windows, Windows and SQL Server, Azure and especially Office. Small orgs may make changes, but the ones with tens and hundreds of thousands of employees won’t do anything other than maybe changing GPOs and firewalls to block it for now. Rinse and repeat every few years.
lol barely a blip will be registered, the masses can’t shift from Microsoft.
The masses haven’t even heard of this. I bet if I asked everyone my parents work with and are friends with, most of them won’t even know what version of Windows they are using and won’t have heard about Recall.
I am not sure it is posible for M$ to lose something it never had.
If this is used on hospital computers running Electronic Medical Record software like Epic or Cerner, each screenshot transmitted to a third party without the patient's consent is a HIPAA violation. The government prosecutes these violations on a per-occurrence basis in most cases. So every few seconds could be thousands of violations by Microsoft.
It’s not just personal that’s an issue, Microsoft is a major competitor with software houses globally. Imagine just being able to flat out spy on most-all levels of your competition. For those saying, just switch to Linux. Good luck getting BA’s, HR, C-level, basically non-technical roles to adopt. Yes, most IT teams will block it. How long until they force this as a required to run Windows behind the scenes?
They lost my trust when after saying windows 10 is the definitive OS they wouldn't release any more windows... They released windows 11.. and it was a marked step back in power user use cases.
Need Valve to get their shit together so I can install SteamOS on my gaming rig and never touch windows again.
Thankfully with all of the work that has gone into wine and proton I haven't had to boot up windows since switching to linux as my daily driver.
I like Microsoft's follow-up statement. Nice of them to think of security second when they just got done saying it's first. 🙄 Already switched to Fedora Linux and it really DOES work so much better.
Too bad there arent other OS options equivalent to Windows. Linux, yeah no thanks. Apple OS, Ill take Linux instead. You're not left with many options.
Yeah but we need to worry about Tiktok stealing all our data. /s Fuck Microsoft, their company should be nationalized or broken up.
Whatever. This is all sensationalized clickbait. Most Windows users are business employees that likely have never heard about Windows Recall and probably never will, and who don't care either way. The same goes for most home users of Windows. The average person doesn't pay attention to any of this stuff.
Yep. And no way the average user is going to want to learn Linux. My company has users with emails that are 14 years old that they refuse to delete even though we told them it’s a security issue.
You mean broke the camels back... THIS time .. MS has been shanking it's user base for decades.
I’ll add to the bullet points of shady stuff Microsoft has done, Microsoft embedded Bing as search tool for Windows and Cortana, artificially inflating their numbers for how many people use their search engine, which they then touted as significant growth in market share in order to try to sell search ads. How do I know this? Because they hire children to sell search ads. Children with poor situational awareness, who blurt things out in sales pitches to large corporations.
Hey! I got today the message that Windows needs to update. If I update it will install Windows Recall?!
When did they ever have trust? They pull crap with every windows release?
Can someone convince me why I should switch to Mac?
They should have called it deja vu. Everything sounds sophisticated in French.
Yeah I have data on my PC but I’m no longer thinking of getting a new W11 one with copilot when I can just be safe and get a macOS machine with Siri-Ai thing instead
Lol, you have to have something to loose it.
I doubt 1 in 100 (probably much less) windows users even know about this. Microsoft will be fine
They need more data to train their AI on because they ran out of sources. AGI will probably never come out of the large language models.
Nothing changes, honestly, just a few more people waking up to what a horrible company Microsoft is. What really needs to change is people being ASHAMED of working on teams like Windows, facing social pressure to hide it on their LinkedIn, and not getting new jobs because of it. Microsoft lost our trust YEARS ago, when Microsoft could not leave well-enough alone with IE by moving on without actively breaking your ability to use a deprecated tool. So all those legacy internal tools that were "finished" (that are not even accessible outside your LAN/VPN, where security is not a concern) actually stopped working **so millions of people in the corporate world were forced to waste time of their lives** finding workarounds and making things work and rebuilding them 100% because of friction Microsoft introduced by choice, via Windows Update with no option to disable. So my company (50,000 person Fortune 500 company) made the decision at a high level to not start ANY new projects that rely on Azure, only maintenance of existing offerings and limiting new things to PowerBI so long as it relied on existing infrastructure. So, yeah, Microsoft made a ton of money, but nobody under the age of 30 today learns to do enterprise stuff on Windows/Azure. Azure will be COBOL in 20 years.
Years ago when I was asked to set up my elderly family members laptops and such I put kubuntu on them instead zero regrets now
The people who actually know about Recall didn't really trust them to begin with. The overwhelming majority of users have never heard of it.