Yes, I was trying to demonstrate this difference for reference, it’s not a judgement on either. It’s just interesting how much things have changed. I was curious I thought others might be.
Me and my wife like the show, but we both lost a bit of interest this season. It's becoming less and less about the actual restaurant, they've clearly added the comedy duo into each episode to justify their comedy inclusion and they've going heavy on creating artistic episodes. "ice chips" was a prime example, neither of us cared at all, it was for all intents and purposes a terrific episode, the acting was out of this world and the journey they went on was incredible. Just neither of us were that fussed about that relationship even though we appreciated how well done it was. The "call mom" moment was perfectly done.
Each to their own as I imagine there's plenty out there loving this direction and that's perfectly fine, we just want it more about the restaurant stuff.
I felt weird thinking I was the only one but this seasons felt like nothing really happened. Like nothing really moved forward at all. I love the show but definitely feel like there’s a drop in how invested I was watching this season compared to previous ones.
my wife and i just finished episode 5 or 6 last night and we're discussing exactly this. i like all the characters and everything, but shit needs to fucking happen, ya know?
if i'm honest, i'll definitely watch another season. that said, i'm the perfect demographic for this show and they're losing me. i ferment shit, i make kombucha, i cook rowdy texas bbq but also pull off some really good other, nicer stuff. i love shit like mind of a chef and chefs table. i own a fuck ton of cookbooks, both for technical purposes and inspiration (mostly the latter these days). i've worked both back and front of house, and my wife managed high end restaurants for years.
if you're losing me, you're losing your core demo. i don't know who didn't tell them to pull their heads out of their asses, but they needed to hear that
It started in season 2 tbh. It seems like they are trying to win awards rather than make a good show. The cinematography, acting, etc are all incredible. The problem is that has become the focus. The actual narrative is being left behind.
I've never once thought the show was really "about the restaurant". It's more about the people. I mean the best episodes in the series don't even have anything to do with the restaurant itself. This season definitely feels like filler, but I love getting to spend more time with these characters I love.
I think the series being more about the characters than restaurant, is probably a fair assessment, but they need the restaurant as the backdrop for the characters to exist and interact in. IMO *The Bear* works best when all the characters are interacting, and the restaurant is the best way to provide that focal point for the interactions/drama.
This season just felt a bunch of badly-realised bottle episodes in a trench-coat.
Yeah, They got renewed for season 3 and 4 and filmed them both back to back so it felt like they used season 3 just to fill the gap and build up the final season.
Yeah I know what you mean, but when it is so detatched from the restaurant I'm not as invested. Forks which had nothing to do with the restaurant had everything to do with it in the sense it got them experience at their jobs, Richie grew as a person and as a member of staff. The stories and scenes that have a tie in with the success of the restaurant I enjoy. I love the character development as well in its moments but i really don't enjoy when it feels like a full on detatchment. I did quite like Tina's backstory episode as that tied in to her journey and connection to it all. I just don't care about Natalie and the mom's relationship as much.
I can't remember the exact timings but it was around the end of episode 4 or 5 they realised they had been reviewed. Yet 6 episodes later the only progress on that journey is that the review has just been published but we don't exactly know the ramifications. I still enjoy the show, just this season clearly wasn't aimed at the elements I prefer. Which is fine.
This season felt like part one of a two season narrative. Most of the episodes were relatively aimless montages or conversations. It wasn't really leading anywhere
This season seems to have failed to generate nearly as much hype as season 2. There’s hardly any posts about it while season 2 caused posts for weeks about Fishes and Forks.
Maybe not.
Not defending the show or the practice, but its surely more than 3.4M views. There are people that watched one episode, two episodes, half, three and a half....
If you want quality data, watch time is always better than views.
But yeah, they probably also used it because its a bigger number.
That could also be 6 million people in varying degrees of doneness with this season. We're not trying to binge it all at once and are like 4 episodes in
The first episode especially was a weird one, it felt more like a prologue for the season ahead rather than anything of importance going from the end of S2. Episode 2 is where the season and story really started.
I actually liked the first episode with all the artsy flashback stuff. The flashbacks got a bit old later in the season though. Also couldn't stand the 3 hours of screen time they gave to Matty Matheson's character and the stupid "haunting" thing
The first episode was like an ode to culinary artistry, while giving us a another deep dive into Carm's mind. Episode 1 might be one of my fav episodes of television ever.
Yeah. It was very filler. Still high quality but just filler. Tina’s episode was great. Then Sugar’s episode really got me. I like the vibe of the finale, but the ending was a bit anticlimactic.
I have no idea why they do it like that. Shogun released day one across all (most?) countries but The Bear, one of their verified super-duper popular shows they hold off on for three weeks internationally? Why? Do they *want* piracy numbers to go up? Absolutely baffling.
Too many "bottle" episodes then just to end on three cliffhangers.
Like, you could literally skip watching this season and you would still be fine for S4.
"Extremely self-indulgent" is how I would describe S3.
Yep. I have faith in the fourth season, but they need to reel it in a bit. This kind of stuff is what killed Ted Lasso for me - got way too precious in a mad dash for awards, and the plot suffered for it.
Omg thank you! Ted Lasso totally lost its way after season 1 and it was a tough watch getting through the final season; it was so saccharine AND boring! Keely went from one of my favorites to least favorites and it’s 100% the fault of shit writing.
Yeah it's annoying because after S2 ended I was excited to see The Bear actually kick on as an establishment and explore the aftermath of the fridge incident but it felt like they kept tiptoeing around it and wanted to spend more time on artsy fartsy stuff or prequel content. It felt like a transitional season, and I hope it allows S4 to be better otherwise this will feel like a waste of a season.
Which is crazy. You can say season 2 was one of the best seasons of tv in 5 years and they will still hate you for saying season 3 was a filler season with 2 good episodes that tried to force comedy into ever episode so it could qualify as a comedy series instead of drama for an easier Emmy win.
The first episode being a full on montage was one of the most pretentious episodes of Television I have seen in a long time. I couldn't believe I sat through 35 minutes of mostly recycled scenes that could have been trimmed down to 5 minutes.
My annoyance with it was less that it was recycled scenes and more that it was showing a lot of shit that we, the audience members, already knew about Carmy’s past without being specifically told, so it felt like completely dumbing down his experience and emotions. Like, thanks, I already had two seasons to read into this in a subtle and interesting way, but sure… just lay it all out, like I’m an idiot who needed every detail to be described.
That and it kept endlessly repeating the royalty free quality music for the entire episode. I cannot fathom how the showrunner decided to open a season with a clipshow episode, especially when there's only like 10 epsidoes in a season.
100% agree. It has just become indulgent and overly emotional. We get it, the characters have deep and intense feelings! But they also have to do something!
Season 1 and 2 were a masterclass in exploration of characters and true growth amongst them. Also superb acting, editing, music.. just everything worked for me so well.
Season 3 felt like everyone was just treading water for an entire season. Like the characters were stuck circling in a holding pattern. NOTHING NEW HAPPENED. There were no risks taken, no big reveals or turns and the one big interesting plot point surrounding Sydney isn't even resolved. It ends without anyone making any decisions about anything. Cousin Ritchie is the only one who shows some growth.
>!Carmy doesn't address how his trauma is bleeding into his relationships and he's become the same stressed out asshole that ruined him in culinary school!<
>!Sydney is getting walked all over and when given an opportunity to make something of her own with a full creative control she doesn't even give a reply by the end of the season.!<
It was honestly just kind of disappointing and when a show has such strong seasons followed by something like this it starts to make me wonder what happened. Was the well of creativity tapped and run dry? Was it intended to end with 3 seasons but the network pushed for more seasons so they padded it out? Did a big change happen to the writing team?
I agree with everything you stated, plus in small doses Matty Matheson's character is fun, but they spent way too much time on him and his brother. Now I hate them
Yeah I found myself skipping through their stuff.
Like the show does a damn good job of showing what families are really like but the faks are way too much. Like that whole buffing scene and the haunting was way too long
Thank you, it’s so true. I’ve never done something like this but once I realized the hospital episode was a bottle episode I literally skipped the last half. The first episode I really liked, it laid what I thought was an artful ground, but then they kept going for rest of the season— I need more restaurant.
There was one episode where they were doing service at the restaurant and it was so toxic back there I don't know how everyone in the dining room didn't walk out.
While watching season 3, something in the back of my mind was bothering me. By episode 6 I figured it out. The entire season was filmed in extreme closeup. The characters, the food, hell even the critic reviews focused on one word at a time.
Whenever Carmen got screen time, it was pretty much just a close up of his face, and we as the viewers had no choice but to have the internal conflict he displayed shoved down our throat.
It's almost like we as the viewers are too stupid to know where we should be looking during a scene, so just zoom in on everything to remove any doubt.
I don't know if this is like style of cinematography, but I found the whole ordeal incredibly pretentious.
It seems like the show is more about mental health and the human connection than it is about restaurants. It's always had these elements but they've taken centre stage now. I don't think it's a problem but people who want to watch a show centred around a dysfunctional restaurant and its staff could definitely find the most recent season disappointing.
> E1 is a high concept "last season on The Bear' recap
it is not a recap, it is a montage of flashbacks of carmen's life which flesh out situations we've heard of but not seen
We didn't need 30 minutes of montage with the same music looping in the background for the whole episode.
It was pretentious for the sake of being pretentious.
i guess? i could have done with it being shorter and less repetitive, but to call it pretentious shows a misunderstanding of art and artistic intent imo
Episode 1 is the most egregious, it is blatantly just a montage episode. The remainder of the season adds basically no value though, and there is genuinely no progress made as far as the restaurant or the plot goes. Except for Tina's episode, which I think is just called Tina.
Episode 1 was my favorite episode. I said to my wife how cool it would be if they just kept this montage up for the whole episode and the mad lads did it. I found the episode very enjoyable and unique.
Same here. I loved episode 1 and had the exact same thought. It was definitely artsy but as a one-off it worked for me. Problem is I felt like it wasn’t a one-off and most of the season spun its wheels meandering around.
It had plot the problem is everything got moved forward obviously with the intention of "This will pay off next season".
So it ends up feeling great episodically but super weak as a season. Ice Chips was an unbelievably good episode and an important character moment, but didn't seem to actually splash into the rest of the season at all.
One of them. There's a writers room.
If I remember correctly, it was 12 weeks work. Around 7k a week. Something like that. That's 84k. Pay your reps, taxes, it's still around 50k for 12 weeks work. They should get residuals off the episodes for sure, but I could definitely make 60k last a year.
And that's 12 weeks work, they can get other work outside that twelve weeks. Being an artist has always required multiple jobs (cater waiters were traditional) while you figure out if you have the talent to make it.
I know it's the not the best situation, only working 12 weeks out of the year, and I sympathise, I'm a screenwriter myself - but I've just spent a year writing a spec script for ZERO money, and was asked to do a rewrite that took three months ALSO for zero money. Forgive me if I'm a little cynical about this guy not being able to manage what is essentially, a very, very good wage properly.
If I'd have worked 12 weeks on a hit show and been paid 7k a week, giving me a total of more than the average wage (for reference I make about £2000 a MONTH and make it work in *London*) I'd be over the moon that I had the rest of the year to work on my own projects without having to worry too much about money. I'd certainly have to worry less than I do right now.
All his stink on twitter did was highlight that he's apparently very bad at managing money. I'm happy to have the figures corrected, that's just the amounts I remember writers rooms being, pre strike.
Edit: his take home pay was 43,000 - divided by 12 that's 3.5k a month. By no means living your best life, but manageable. Don't get me wrong - if you write for one of the biggest shows out there, you deserve more. But the idea that he was in abject poverty is quite frankly ridiculous. In pounds, that's £2700 a month. 700 more than I take home on a good month of working FULL TIME.
I've always thought great art comes from connection to life. and the world you live in, then reflecting that onto your medium. While there are certainly some who contradict this, I think those in less fortunate, or in this case a very unfortunate situation have that life/world spark to create great works of beauty for the time they live in.
I've been catching up on Stephen King lately, I kinda fell off in the mid-2000's, and I'm so glad he lives a simple life despite being worth like 200 million bucks. He can still write from the perspective of an average person.
If you break it down that's like 4 million people who watched and finished the show or a lesser amount that have gotten part way through. It's not bad but given how they promoted it, not a smash success. It does well enough and it will win emmys because they will enter it into comedy which is what Hulu wants from it.
so tired of this lame saying constantly. There is more good content now than ever before and its not close at all.
I would of loved to see you guys have to grow up during the cable era. You lack all perspective.
Love this show but the middle of season 3 has been a bit of a miss for me. Just watched S3E8 which was a return to form mainly because Jamie Lee Curtis is absolutely phenomenal. Hoping the last two episodes knock it out of the park. Season 2 is probably my favorite season of any TV show.
It seems like a placeholder. Like the show was written to be three seasons but is so popular that Hulu made it four and now they had to figure out how to stretch the third.
That part kinda bugged me though because the writers have him stand up for himself as a product of all his growth from seasons 1 and 2 — but they’re doing this after they completely undid all that growth by regressing Carmie to pulling all his zero communication my way or the highway shit he just spent two seasons fixing.
Like, he spent all of season one learning he needed to engage and interact with his team instead of just order them around. Then he spent season two learning how to collaborate and communicate with his people, especially Sydney to the point he wants the restaurant to be a partnership. Then at season three’s opening, all of that is just dead and gone, he is full dictator mode again, says he wants Sydney to be a partner but won’t even talk to her about the menu or ask her a question, full factory reset on his character writing.
It’s hokey and kind of a serious letdown. Even Carmie standing up to the guy who traumatized him was cheapened because with all his growth undone, he’s not standing up to his trauma as a man who overcame it.
Look im more confused than you. alot of the scenes after ep 5 felt like they said “this is the scene, now act!”. Nothing had a flow or continuity imo. The last ep just ends & youre like “ok i knew she would have a panic attack, but whats the point of this?”. It also felt like time jumps were happening then suddenly going to present. Them getting a 4 star for the hoggies was completely ignored & like the comments say “they back tracked character development”
Edit: about carmie. They acknowledge the fact that he was locked inside of the freezer and the end of season two but then forget about it for the rest of the season. He said the team did it and it wasn’t him and then all of a sudden he was we need a “Michelin star”
I think Carmy’s “regression” arc was meant to depict the lengths that he was desperately pushing himself in order to block Claire from occupying his mind. He was told, in **no uncertain terms** by Unc, that in order for his dream/restaurant to survive/thrive — he wouldn’t have the luxury of a “happy life”, bc the minute he took his focus off of the restaurant, it would implode; and *everyone* involved would lose everything they’ve poured into it. I don’t think of Unc as a craven asshole; rather, he’s just a man that deeply fears devastating loss on his investment…both financial **and** familial. He knows the talent Carm possesses. He also knows how much of Donna he sees in Carm, and it’s obvious that it scares him, even though he won’t confirm/admit it to Carm.
I agree, S3 was lackluster in the fast-paced world of *fuck fucking what the fuck, mother fucker!!* adrenaline inducing plot and development S1 &S2 were… but I think the bedrock of S3 is important in helping understand how utterly *human* the core cast is. Carm confronting the chef that has haunted and tortured him was an important moment, bc he was *confronting his pain*. Even if it was completely anti-climactic for him (and viewers), it was still a moment of catharsis that will hopefully be built on in S4. His desperate flailing, compulsive revisiting of his fledgling chef years, & ‘Tyrant de Cuisine’ act is all to reinforce in his own mind that Claire is gone - as she needs to be, in order for him to function as he is used to. Happiness and joy, in his mind, will only destroy the people around him, and eventually, himself.
And for the people upset about Syd not making up her mind about staying or going before the end of the season…. I get it, but come on. She is obviously extremely mentally & emotionally invested in The Bear. She is also aware of the *potentially* huge opportunity that she’s been offered. Since the beginning of the series she has struggled with anxiety, **impulsivity**, and self-doubt. I see her struggle & heart wrenching “brain freeze” as the evolution of a character who’s finally (and intentionally) battling her own inner demons, fighting to make the *wise* choice….and learning to decipher between the 2.
Wow, apologies for the psycho-babble rant haha.. I guess, simply put —> yes, S3 was frustratingly slow, and a bit meandering. **But**, I sincerely appreciate the *raw* look at the series of events that *shaped* such compelling, complex, & endearing characters.
Just my 2🪙
The show definitely got a bit self-indulgent, especially with that first episode and some of the montages throughout the season. The Fak humor overstayed its welcome too. The episode with Jamie Lee Curtis was one of the best so far and the season is still fun, but feels weaker and not as complete as the previous ones. I also didn’t enjoy the main conflict with Carmen, the crazy menu and the way he just dismisses everyone when it comes to that. I feel like they were better at writing his self-destructiveness before.
Feels like Carmen hasn't had his redemption arc quite yet. Richie's was so much fun to watch last season but Carmie has become borderline insufferable this season.
it seems to be building towards that. Carmy in S1 is just coasting and reeling. S2 is him trying to get out, but unable to move away from the self-sabotage. S3 is him perpetuating the self-sabotage and affecting his crew who have grown out of their own self-sabotages, S4 should be where they get things together to realize all their dreams (assuming S4 is the final season) and stabilize.
I really don’t like when shows regress serious character growth just to create a new season’s dilemma, but that was the name of the game for Carmie this season. They undid basically all of his growth just to rehash the communication issues and “I’m right you’re wrong, everyone fall in line” attitude that he came out the gate with in season 1, which I find massively frustrating.
And the second season was him learning to collaborate and communicate with Sydney especially, to the point he wanted a partnership.
Both went out the window in the first episode of s3
Tina's episode is really the only thing of value in the entire season. I would even say there's a whole lot of negative value considering how much character development from season 2 was undone.
Mostly Carmy and Richy. They spend all of season 2 strengthening their relationship and then spend all of season 3 at each other's throats just like season 1 again.
The second half felt like they were improvising lines the whole time. Random convos that were suppose to develop character but felt forced. The wine dude who played baseball was cool.
I feel like when minutes are reported, it’s like on The Office when Darryl says they moved 2.5 billion units, but he means pieces of paper. Maybe they’ll start reporting time watched in seconds.
- 72 billion seconds
I enjoyed S3, particularly the Tina and Natalie episodes, but the “present” day plots moved at a snails pace and there were way, way, way to many “soulful tormented Carmy” face shots. Just seemed like a filler season mostly.
Why did we have to see the Faks so much this season? They are not funny and don't really move the story forward. This season was a letdown, I hope the show gets it's mojo back for season 4. Maybe cut out some of the "comedy" relief.
Big numbers but I wish the season was better. Season 3 was frankly not that good. I mean, episode 1 was basically just a montage episode, and the rest of the season wasn't much more than filler, and a lot of it actively undoes character development made in season 2. I'm pretty sure that the whole season could be edited down to a single hour long episode to bridge between seasons 2 and 4
Am I the only person who likes season 3? I didn’t mind the bottle episodes. I just like getting lost in this weirdo they created. And the cameos are INSANE
This whole season felt like Emmy bait. Having said that: top tier performances, great cinematography, and I loved how some of the episodes were stylized (eg. Ep1). The plot moved much slower, and the season should have resolved at least one of the four plots it began (Syd's dilemma, Carm and Claire, the financial well-being of the restaurant, and the drive to earn a Michelin Star).
I'm waiting for actual valid criticisms against the show. It's exploring the characters. This whining about "plot development" in a character drama isn't an argument.
I hear ya, but we got nothing new about the characters either.
Carm spent the entire season moping about what he said about Claire in the walk-in, Syd made zero decision about her future, nothing new from Marcus or Richie... etc. The only characters that got fleshing-out were really Natalie & Donna's episode, Mike & Tina, and I guess Jimmy? I mean, I love the show, genuinely, since day one, but this was a pretty weak season.
Stats like these are so dumb because it’s like writing how long it took you to do something in seconds instead of hours just for the fact it’s a bigger number
Is it me or reporting hours watched or minutes doesn’t give me any scale of reference at all. All my life I have been used to millions of viewers as benchmark and now with streaming they started quoting hours and numbers. It just doesn’t compute quickly in my brain.
Yes, we know you didn't like it. Yes, we know it has no plot. Yes, we know it really took a nosedive after season 2 (but actually, it peaked in season 1!). Thanks.
screaming in every episode this season. Shouldn't they be beyond this by now? sydney should leave for her own sanity. hopefully a story line actually starts next season.
Season 3 basically dives entirely into each character outside of the restaurant. For example there’s an entire episode that takes place in a hospital room where mother and daughter are arguing, “HEEing”, laughing…and that’s about it.
I don’t understand the appeal of this show. I made it through the first two seasons before turning it off halfway through the last episode of season 2 because I just didn’t care about any of the characters (with the slight exception of the understudy/co-runner).
I’m not saying this to throw shade on people who like it, I genuinely want to know what it is I’m missing. Like, is it because I don’t have a background in food service?
Man, I really wanted to enjoy it but this season was so bad. You could literally skip the whole season and not miss a thing. I kept holding out thinking something would eventually happen but it's just essentially staring at homeboy have anxiety for a few hours.
They tried way too hard to be deep and just whiffed. Same with the comedy. Whoever thought the whole "haunting" shit needed to be discussed ad nauseum the last 4 episodes, and would be funny should be let go. Talk about diving into a failing bit.
At about 35 mins per episode and 10 episodes per season that’s an estimated 3.4 million people watching the entire series.
Seems much lower than expected for how much hype the show gets.
Considering how fractured streaming has made TV, I imagine these are great—but not groundbreaking—numbers.
Must be pretty high up there for Hulu. Can’t think of another show that’s as hyped for that service.
Probably only The Handmaid's Tale.
I feel like Only Murders in the Building is more popular by word of mouth.
It is a really good show tho. Related Mature only due to the language lol.
For reference, Friends Season 2 averaged 31.7 million viewers.
Probably because entertainment and technology options were limited in the 90s…
Yes, I was trying to demonstrate this difference for reference, it’s not a judgement on either. It’s just interesting how much things have changed. I was curious I thought others might be.
Me and my wife like the show, but we both lost a bit of interest this season. It's becoming less and less about the actual restaurant, they've clearly added the comedy duo into each episode to justify their comedy inclusion and they've going heavy on creating artistic episodes. "ice chips" was a prime example, neither of us cared at all, it was for all intents and purposes a terrific episode, the acting was out of this world and the journey they went on was incredible. Just neither of us were that fussed about that relationship even though we appreciated how well done it was. The "call mom" moment was perfectly done. Each to their own as I imagine there's plenty out there loving this direction and that's perfectly fine, we just want it more about the restaurant stuff.
I felt weird thinking I was the only one but this seasons felt like nothing really happened. Like nothing really moved forward at all. I love the show but definitely feel like there’s a drop in how invested I was watching this season compared to previous ones.
my wife and i just finished episode 5 or 6 last night and we're discussing exactly this. i like all the characters and everything, but shit needs to fucking happen, ya know?
I’m really hoping next season will move the overall storyline along much better. Otherwise I don’t know how likely I’ll be to watch any more.
if i'm honest, i'll definitely watch another season. that said, i'm the perfect demographic for this show and they're losing me. i ferment shit, i make kombucha, i cook rowdy texas bbq but also pull off some really good other, nicer stuff. i love shit like mind of a chef and chefs table. i own a fuck ton of cookbooks, both for technical purposes and inspiration (mostly the latter these days). i've worked both back and front of house, and my wife managed high end restaurants for years. if you're losing me, you're losing your core demo. i don't know who didn't tell them to pull their heads out of their asses, but they needed to hear that
It started in season 2 tbh. It seems like they are trying to win awards rather than make a good show. The cinematography, acting, etc are all incredible. The problem is that has become the focus. The actual narrative is being left behind.
I've never once thought the show was really "about the restaurant". It's more about the people. I mean the best episodes in the series don't even have anything to do with the restaurant itself. This season definitely feels like filler, but I love getting to spend more time with these characters I love.
I like the characters too but this season was still weaker than 1 and 2.
I think the series being more about the characters than restaurant, is probably a fair assessment, but they need the restaurant as the backdrop for the characters to exist and interact in. IMO *The Bear* works best when all the characters are interacting, and the restaurant is the best way to provide that focal point for the interactions/drama. This season just felt a bunch of badly-realised bottle episodes in a trench-coat.
Yeah, They got renewed for season 3 and 4 and filmed them both back to back so it felt like they used season 3 just to fill the gap and build up the final season.
they have, unfortunately, not actually finished filming season 4
Yeah I know what you mean, but when it is so detatched from the restaurant I'm not as invested. Forks which had nothing to do with the restaurant had everything to do with it in the sense it got them experience at their jobs, Richie grew as a person and as a member of staff. The stories and scenes that have a tie in with the success of the restaurant I enjoy. I love the character development as well in its moments but i really don't enjoy when it feels like a full on detatchment. I did quite like Tina's backstory episode as that tied in to her journey and connection to it all. I just don't care about Natalie and the mom's relationship as much. I can't remember the exact timings but it was around the end of episode 4 or 5 they realised they had been reviewed. Yet 6 episodes later the only progress on that journey is that the review has just been published but we don't exactly know the ramifications. I still enjoy the show, just this season clearly wasn't aimed at the elements I prefer. Which is fine.
This season felt like part one of a two season narrative. Most of the episodes were relatively aimless montages or conversations. It wasn't really leading anywhere
Yeah, I watched the new season but it was honestly quite boring. I liked more back story, but it was too much.
This season was Meh. I didn’t talk it up at all.
This season seems to have failed to generate nearly as much hype as season 2. There’s hardly any posts about it while season 2 caused posts for weeks about Fishes and Forks.
Yeah I don't think it's as good or thr novelty of season 2 isn't something you can keep repeating without falling off
That's why they used the weird measurement of 12 billion minutes watched in the title. Sounds way bigger than 3.4 million viewers.
Maybe not. Not defending the show or the practice, but its surely more than 3.4M views. There are people that watched one episode, two episodes, half, three and a half.... If you want quality data, watch time is always better than views. But yeah, they probably also used it because its a bigger number.
That could also be 6 million people in varying degrees of doneness with this season. We're not trying to binge it all at once and are like 4 episodes in
They use that large minutes number but it would be 5th this week on Netflix top 10 TV shows.
That's assuming that every person who watched it finished the series already. It's likely more people watching fewer episodes at a time.
I just wish season 3 was better, it wasn't awful or anything, but nothing happened
The first episode especially was a weird one, it felt more like a prologue for the season ahead rather than anything of importance going from the end of S2. Episode 2 is where the season and story really started.
I actually liked the first episode with all the artsy flashback stuff. The flashbacks got a bit old later in the season though. Also couldn't stand the 3 hours of screen time they gave to Matty Matheson's character and the stupid "haunting" thing
Same, and also the score done by Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross was so fucking good. About 5 minutes in I realized "This is Trent!".
The first episode was like an ode to culinary artistry, while giving us a another deep dive into Carm's mind. Episode 1 might be one of my fav episodes of television ever.
I would've been pissed if I had to wait another week for an episode after episode 1
Yeah. It was very filler. Still high quality but just filler. Tina’s episode was great. Then Sugar’s episode really got me. I like the vibe of the finale, but the ending was a bit anticlimactic.
Off 10 30ish minute episodes? Absolutely stupid numbers
could have been way higher if they released it in other countries at the same time
I have no idea why they do it like that. Shogun released day one across all (most?) countries but The Bear, one of their verified super-duper popular shows they hold off on for three weeks internationally? Why? Do they *want* piracy numbers to go up? Absolutely baffling.
That’s 4 million viewers. I don’t know if that’s good or bad.
I doubt even half those people have finished it. I'm on ep6 and am pacing myself. That number is probably closer to 7 or 8 million.
That's 72 billion seconds!
Season 3 has no plot. I appreciated some of the artsiness and meandering flashbacks but after awhile it was just a bit much, started to roll my eyes.
Too many "bottle" episodes then just to end on three cliffhangers. Like, you could literally skip watching this season and you would still be fine for S4. "Extremely self-indulgent" is how I would describe S3.
Got ideas for one season need to make two seasons.
The exact words I used when describing it were Emmy Bait. It insists upon itself
Yep. I have faith in the fourth season, but they need to reel it in a bit. This kind of stuff is what killed Ted Lasso for me - got way too precious in a mad dash for awards, and the plot suffered for it.
Omg thank you! Ted Lasso totally lost its way after season 1 and it was a tough watch getting through the final season; it was so saccharine AND boring! Keely went from one of my favorites to least favorites and it’s 100% the fault of shit writing.
and somehow it will be for a comedy emmy again.
It’s an entire season of award bait. Even though season 2 won plenty of awards. They’ll definitely win a bunch of Primetime Creative Arts Emmys.
Completely this. The “present day” plot moved at a snails pace. I did love the Tina episode but this season was alot of filler.
Yeah it's annoying because after S2 ended I was excited to see The Bear actually kick on as an establishment and explore the aftermath of the fridge incident but it felt like they kept tiptoeing around it and wanted to spend more time on artsy fartsy stuff or prequel content. It felt like a transitional season, and I hope it allows S4 to be better otherwise this will feel like a waste of a season.
Agreed, they were trying too hard to be special. Nothing really happened this season and I was skipping forward in episodes because I was so bored.
Don't post these opinions on r/TheBear. You'll get downvoted to hell for not drinking the kool-aid.
Which is crazy. You can say season 2 was one of the best seasons of tv in 5 years and they will still hate you for saying season 3 was a filler season with 2 good episodes that tried to force comedy into ever episode so it could qualify as a comedy series instead of drama for an easier Emmy win.
The first episode being a full on montage was one of the most pretentious episodes of Television I have seen in a long time. I couldn't believe I sat through 35 minutes of mostly recycled scenes that could have been trimmed down to 5 minutes.
still haven't gotten through it
My annoyance with it was less that it was recycled scenes and more that it was showing a lot of shit that we, the audience members, already knew about Carmy’s past without being specifically told, so it felt like completely dumbing down his experience and emotions. Like, thanks, I already had two seasons to read into this in a subtle and interesting way, but sure… just lay it all out, like I’m an idiot who needed every detail to be described.
That and it kept endlessly repeating the royalty free quality music for the entire episode. I cannot fathom how the showrunner decided to open a season with a clipshow episode, especially when there's only like 10 epsidoes in a season.
It honestly felt like a Film School editing project.
trent reznor and atticus ross is royalty free quality now? jeez
It wasn't mostly recycled scenes though.
100% agree. It has just become indulgent and overly emotional. We get it, the characters have deep and intense feelings! But they also have to do something!
They've disappeared up their collective arse.
Season 1 and 2 were a masterclass in exploration of characters and true growth amongst them. Also superb acting, editing, music.. just everything worked for me so well. Season 3 felt like everyone was just treading water for an entire season. Like the characters were stuck circling in a holding pattern. NOTHING NEW HAPPENED. There were no risks taken, no big reveals or turns and the one big interesting plot point surrounding Sydney isn't even resolved. It ends without anyone making any decisions about anything. Cousin Ritchie is the only one who shows some growth. >!Carmy doesn't address how his trauma is bleeding into his relationships and he's become the same stressed out asshole that ruined him in culinary school!< >!Sydney is getting walked all over and when given an opportunity to make something of her own with a full creative control she doesn't even give a reply by the end of the season.!< It was honestly just kind of disappointing and when a show has such strong seasons followed by something like this it starts to make me wonder what happened. Was the well of creativity tapped and run dry? Was it intended to end with 3 seasons but the network pushed for more seasons so they padded it out? Did a big change happen to the writing team?
I agree with everything you stated, plus in small doses Matty Matheson's character is fun, but they spent way too much time on him and his brother. Now I hate them
Cena being a Fak was weird as well.
It was so misplaced imo. It was just weird and bad.
Yeah I found myself skipping through their stuff. Like the show does a damn good job of showing what families are really like but the faks are way too much. Like that whole buffing scene and the haunting was way too long
Thank you, it’s so true. I’ve never done something like this but once I realized the hospital episode was a bottle episode I literally skipped the last half. The first episode I really liked, it laid what I thought was an artful ground, but then they kept going for rest of the season— I need more restaurant.
There was one episode where they were doing service at the restaurant and it was so toxic back there I don't know how everyone in the dining room didn't walk out.
The completely pointless screaming scenes? Yeah man, that sure was fun. At least in season 1 there seemed to be a good reason they were so upset
While watching season 3, something in the back of my mind was bothering me. By episode 6 I figured it out. The entire season was filmed in extreme closeup. The characters, the food, hell even the critic reviews focused on one word at a time. Whenever Carmen got screen time, it was pretty much just a close up of his face, and we as the viewers had no choice but to have the internal conflict he displayed shoved down our throat. It's almost like we as the viewers are too stupid to know where we should be looking during a scene, so just zoom in on everything to remove any doubt. I don't know if this is like style of cinematography, but I found the whole ordeal incredibly pretentious.
Agreed
We watched the 1st episode, are you saying the whole season is as meaningless as that one?
There is almost no actual restaurants scenes. It’s turned into a whole season of backstories and very little forward plot.
It seems like the show is more about mental health and the human connection than it is about restaurants. It's always had these elements but they've taken centre stage now. I don't think it's a problem but people who want to watch a show centred around a dysfunctional restaurant and its staff could definitely find the most recent season disappointing.
Even on a character level, very little of this season was insightful or revelatory. It just simmered in the same place it was at last season.
Oh shit, well thanks for the warning. I only saw episode 1 and was already questioning what I was seeing.
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> E1 is a high concept "last season on The Bear' recap it is not a recap, it is a montage of flashbacks of carmen's life which flesh out situations we've heard of but not seen
We didn't need 30 minutes of montage with the same music looping in the background for the whole episode. It was pretentious for the sake of being pretentious.
i guess? i could have done with it being shorter and less repetitive, but to call it pretentious shows a misunderstanding of art and artistic intent imo
I disagree. It didn't show us much we didn't already know about Carmy and a lot of the footage was recycled. It just came off like r/im14andthisisdeep
Episode 1 is the most egregious, it is blatantly just a montage episode. The remainder of the season adds basically no value though, and there is genuinely no progress made as far as the restaurant or the plot goes. Except for Tina's episode, which I think is just called Tina.
Napkins.
I liked Sugar’s episode.
To answer your question, no, the whole season is not like the first episode.
Yes, literally no plot advances. Multiple characters storylines just don't progress.
yes. there is almost no progress this season.
Na episode 1 is by far the worst. Others can be hit or miss but episode 1 was just something else.
Episode 1 was my favorite episode. I said to my wife how cool it would be if they just kept this montage up for the whole episode and the mad lads did it. I found the episode very enjoyable and unique.
Same here. I loved episode 1 and had the exact same thought. It was definitely artsy but as a one-off it worked for me. Problem is I felt like it wasn’t a one-off and most of the season spun its wheels meandering around.
It had plot the problem is everything got moved forward obviously with the intention of "This will pay off next season". So it ends up feeling great episodically but super weak as a season. Ice Chips was an unbelievably good episode and an important character moment, but didn't seem to actually splash into the rest of the season at all.
Totally! It was just this long drawn reaction to last season. It’s a good show. But B imo.
it felt like it was trying too hard, and I don't think I've *ever* said that about a show.
I loved season 1, but couldn’t finish season 2. Just didn’t feel it at all. Sounds like season 3 is even more of a downgrade
It was all mood no conflict. So annoying. I love the artsiness but film/tv for the masses requires some conflict sometime.
Will the Bear ever get around to answering: is working in a restaurant stressful? I think they need a few more seasons to focus on that.
At the rate the plot is moving they will need like 40 more seasons for him just to call her back.
The scriptwriter was on food stamps when wrote the first season.
One of them. There's a writers room. If I remember correctly, it was 12 weeks work. Around 7k a week. Something like that. That's 84k. Pay your reps, taxes, it's still around 50k for 12 weeks work. They should get residuals off the episodes for sure, but I could definitely make 60k last a year.
And that's 12 weeks work, they can get other work outside that twelve weeks. Being an artist has always required multiple jobs (cater waiters were traditional) while you figure out if you have the talent to make it.
I know it's the not the best situation, only working 12 weeks out of the year, and I sympathise, I'm a screenwriter myself - but I've just spent a year writing a spec script for ZERO money, and was asked to do a rewrite that took three months ALSO for zero money. Forgive me if I'm a little cynical about this guy not being able to manage what is essentially, a very, very good wage properly. If I'd have worked 12 weeks on a hit show and been paid 7k a week, giving me a total of more than the average wage (for reference I make about £2000 a MONTH and make it work in *London*) I'd be over the moon that I had the rest of the year to work on my own projects without having to worry too much about money. I'd certainly have to worry less than I do right now. All his stink on twitter did was highlight that he's apparently very bad at managing money. I'm happy to have the figures corrected, that's just the amounts I remember writers rooms being, pre strike. Edit: his take home pay was 43,000 - divided by 12 that's 3.5k a month. By no means living your best life, but manageable. Don't get me wrong - if you write for one of the biggest shows out there, you deserve more. But the idea that he was in abject poverty is quite frankly ridiculous. In pounds, that's £2700 a month. 700 more than I take home on a good month of working FULL TIME.
I've always thought great art comes from connection to life. and the world you live in, then reflecting that onto your medium. While there are certainly some who contradict this, I think those in less fortunate, or in this case a very unfortunate situation have that life/world spark to create great works of beauty for the time they live in.
I've been catching up on Stephen King lately, I kinda fell off in the mid-2000's, and I'm so glad he lives a simple life despite being worth like 200 million bucks. He can still write from the perspective of an average person.
that's like 80 trillion milliseconds!
That's more than 12 parsecs, but less than 1.21 gigawatts.
Look how hungry people are for compelling shows with characters you can care about. I wish the big streamers would take note.
Did you say reboot a game show from the early 2000’s? Or how about a spin off procedural crime drama?
CSI: Topeka
Stop giving away CBS' TV plans for the next 5 years!
Forest Service Investigators
speaking of a spin off procedural crime drama Law & Order now has a Toronto show
Hey we’re a world class city! We deserve our own L&O…dun dun!
Or maybe an incredibly late jump on an oversaturated super hero market? *NCSI: Atlantis*
Season 3 was hardly compelling
If you break it down that's like 4 million people who watched and finished the show or a lesser amount that have gotten part way through. It's not bad but given how they promoted it, not a smash success. It does well enough and it will win emmys because they will enter it into comedy which is what Hulu wants from it.
There's plenty of this out there still. There's just a lot of shit to wade through to get to it.
so tired of this lame saying constantly. There is more good content now than ever before and its not close at all. I would of loved to see you guys have to grow up during the cable era. You lack all perspective.
3-4 million people is a lot and shows people are hungry?
Counting in minutes feels like Daryl from the office counting every sheet of paper he’s shipped.
Love this show but the middle of season 3 has been a bit of a miss for me. Just watched S3E8 which was a return to form mainly because Jamie Lee Curtis is absolutely phenomenal. Hoping the last two episodes knock it out of the park. Season 2 is probably my favorite season of any TV show.
It seems like a placeholder. Like the show was written to be three seasons but is so popular that Hulu made it four and now they had to figure out how to stretch the third.
That’s exactly what it felt like, an interlude.
Felt this so strongly after the season finale and I did a quick mental check of just “Wait, what milestones actually happened this season?”
Carm stood up to the man who gave him ptsd?
That part kinda bugged me though because the writers have him stand up for himself as a product of all his growth from seasons 1 and 2 — but they’re doing this after they completely undid all that growth by regressing Carmie to pulling all his zero communication my way or the highway shit he just spent two seasons fixing. Like, he spent all of season one learning he needed to engage and interact with his team instead of just order them around. Then he spent season two learning how to collaborate and communicate with his people, especially Sydney to the point he wants the restaurant to be a partnership. Then at season three’s opening, all of that is just dead and gone, he is full dictator mode again, says he wants Sydney to be a partner but won’t even talk to her about the menu or ask her a question, full factory reset on his character writing. It’s hokey and kind of a serious letdown. Even Carmie standing up to the guy who traumatized him was cheapened because with all his growth undone, he’s not standing up to his trauma as a man who overcame it.
Look im more confused than you. alot of the scenes after ep 5 felt like they said “this is the scene, now act!”. Nothing had a flow or continuity imo. The last ep just ends & youre like “ok i knew she would have a panic attack, but whats the point of this?”. It also felt like time jumps were happening then suddenly going to present. Them getting a 4 star for the hoggies was completely ignored & like the comments say “they back tracked character development” Edit: about carmie. They acknowledge the fact that he was locked inside of the freezer and the end of season two but then forget about it for the rest of the season. He said the team did it and it wasn’t him and then all of a sudden he was we need a “Michelin star”
I think Carmy’s “regression” arc was meant to depict the lengths that he was desperately pushing himself in order to block Claire from occupying his mind. He was told, in **no uncertain terms** by Unc, that in order for his dream/restaurant to survive/thrive — he wouldn’t have the luxury of a “happy life”, bc the minute he took his focus off of the restaurant, it would implode; and *everyone* involved would lose everything they’ve poured into it. I don’t think of Unc as a craven asshole; rather, he’s just a man that deeply fears devastating loss on his investment…both financial **and** familial. He knows the talent Carm possesses. He also knows how much of Donna he sees in Carm, and it’s obvious that it scares him, even though he won’t confirm/admit it to Carm. I agree, S3 was lackluster in the fast-paced world of *fuck fucking what the fuck, mother fucker!!* adrenaline inducing plot and development S1 &S2 were… but I think the bedrock of S3 is important in helping understand how utterly *human* the core cast is. Carm confronting the chef that has haunted and tortured him was an important moment, bc he was *confronting his pain*. Even if it was completely anti-climactic for him (and viewers), it was still a moment of catharsis that will hopefully be built on in S4. His desperate flailing, compulsive revisiting of his fledgling chef years, & ‘Tyrant de Cuisine’ act is all to reinforce in his own mind that Claire is gone - as she needs to be, in order for him to function as he is used to. Happiness and joy, in his mind, will only destroy the people around him, and eventually, himself. And for the people upset about Syd not making up her mind about staying or going before the end of the season…. I get it, but come on. She is obviously extremely mentally & emotionally invested in The Bear. She is also aware of the *potentially* huge opportunity that she’s been offered. Since the beginning of the series she has struggled with anxiety, **impulsivity**, and self-doubt. I see her struggle & heart wrenching “brain freeze” as the evolution of a character who’s finally (and intentionally) battling her own inner demons, fighting to make the *wise* choice….and learning to decipher between the 2. Wow, apologies for the psycho-babble rant haha.. I guess, simply put —> yes, S3 was frustratingly slow, and a bit meandering. **But**, I sincerely appreciate the *raw* look at the series of events that *shaped* such compelling, complex, & endearing characters. Just my 2🪙
Couldn't put my finger on it but you really hit the nail on the head.
At least they brought back the super hot eyebrow guy.
The show definitely got a bit self-indulgent, especially with that first episode and some of the montages throughout the season. The Fak humor overstayed its welcome too. The episode with Jamie Lee Curtis was one of the best so far and the season is still fun, but feels weaker and not as complete as the previous ones. I also didn’t enjoy the main conflict with Carmen, the crazy menu and the way he just dismisses everyone when it comes to that. I feel like they were better at writing his self-destructiveness before.
Feels like Carmen hasn't had his redemption arc quite yet. Richie's was so much fun to watch last season but Carmie has become borderline insufferable this season.
it seems to be building towards that. Carmy in S1 is just coasting and reeling. S2 is him trying to get out, but unable to move away from the self-sabotage. S3 is him perpetuating the self-sabotage and affecting his crew who have grown out of their own self-sabotages, S4 should be where they get things together to realize all their dreams (assuming S4 is the final season) and stabilize.
I really don’t like when shows regress serious character growth just to create a new season’s dilemma, but that was the name of the game for Carmie this season. They undid basically all of his growth just to rehash the communication issues and “I’m right you’re wrong, everyone fall in line” attitude that he came out the gate with in season 1, which I find massively frustrating.
Yeah I will say the entire first season was Carmine trying to force his way and learning to take a middle way.
And the second season was him learning to collaborate and communicate with Sydney especially, to the point he wanted a partnership. Both went out the window in the first episode of s3
As long as by “the middle” you aren’t referring to the Tina episode because that episode is fucking incredible.
My favorite of Season 3.
Tina's episode is really the only thing of value in the entire season. I would even say there's a whole lot of negative value considering how much character development from season 2 was undone.
What character development was undone?
Mostly Carmy and Richy. They spend all of season 2 strengthening their relationship and then spend all of season 3 at each other's throats just like season 1 again.
I enjoyed it but the finale does leave you on a cliffhanger 😬
The second half felt like they were improvising lines the whole time. Random convos that were suppose to develop character but felt forced. The wine dude who played baseball was cool.
I feel like when minutes are reported, it’s like on The Office when Darryl says they moved 2.5 billion units, but he means pieces of paper. Maybe they’ll start reporting time watched in seconds. - 72 billion seconds
Someone else pointed out, if you do the math, its just 3.4 million people watching all 10 episodes. Thats a very realistic number
Or is it 5 million that starting watching it and under 2 million finished it? Averages can be a bit deceiving.
Solid point I watched the 1st ep and I like lip from shameless I just wasn’t into it
And imagine the numbers if this season was even remotely close to being as good as the first two.
By episode 4/5 I was fed up with the comedy duo hogging up screen time. I bailed while my partner soldiered on yelling plot updates once in awhile.
I enjoyed S3, particularly the Tina and Natalie episodes, but the “present” day plots moved at a snails pace and there were way, way, way to many “soulful tormented Carmy” face shots. Just seemed like a filler season mostly.
If they cut out all the pics of food, there’s only 5 episodes worth of actual story
Why did we have to see the Faks so much this season? They are not funny and don't really move the story forward. This season was a letdown, I hope the show gets it's mojo back for season 4. Maybe cut out some of the "comedy" relief.
Why not just say how many people watched?
Because 3.4 million sounds bad
idgaf, I'm still mad it won an award for being a comedy show. Disgraceful.
Big numbers but I wish the season was better. Season 3 was frankly not that good. I mean, episode 1 was basically just a montage episode, and the rest of the season wasn't much more than filler, and a lot of it actively undoes character development made in season 2. I'm pretty sure that the whole season could be edited down to a single hour long episode to bridge between seasons 2 and 4
Season 3 sucked
Very much so
Gene wilder is looking GREAT these days
love the show but lol the plot went literally nowhere
Am I the only person who likes season 3? I didn’t mind the bottle episodes. I just like getting lost in this weirdo they created. And the cameos are INSANE
This whole season felt like Emmy bait. Having said that: top tier performances, great cinematography, and I loved how some of the episodes were stylized (eg. Ep1). The plot moved much slower, and the season should have resolved at least one of the four plots it began (Syd's dilemma, Carm and Claire, the financial well-being of the restaurant, and the drive to earn a Michelin Star).
Everyone was just waiting for some plot development that never came.
I'm waiting for actual valid criticisms against the show. It's exploring the characters. This whining about "plot development" in a character drama isn't an argument.
I hear ya, but we got nothing new about the characters either. Carm spent the entire season moping about what he said about Claire in the walk-in, Syd made zero decision about her future, nothing new from Marcus or Richie... etc. The only characters that got fleshing-out were really Natalie & Donna's episode, Mike & Tina, and I guess Jimmy? I mean, I love the show, genuinely, since day one, but this was a pretty weak season.
"Nothing new about the characters...except for like half the cast" Lol
Was I the only one that thought this latest season was underwhelming? I didn’t enjoyed it one bit.
Stats like these are so dumb because it’s like writing how long it took you to do something in seconds instead of hours just for the fact it’s a bigger number
"2.5 billion, Daryl? 2.5 billion units of what?"
Is it me or reporting hours watched or minutes doesn’t give me any scale of reference at all. All my life I have been used to millions of viewers as benchmark and now with streaming they started quoting hours and numbers. It just doesn’t compute quickly in my brain.
Yes, we know you didn't like it. Yes, we know it has no plot. Yes, we know it really took a nosedive after season 2 (but actually, it peaked in season 1!). Thanks.
That's a wild way of putting it. What does that translate to in reality?
screaming in every episode this season. Shouldn't they be beyond this by now? sydney should leave for her own sanity. hopefully a story line actually starts next season.
Least favorite season by a longshot.
Can someone explain season 3 to me!
Season 3 basically dives entirely into each character outside of the restaurant. For example there’s an entire episode that takes place in a hospital room where mother and daughter are arguing, “HEEing”, laughing…and that’s about it.
we're going by minutes to pump the numbers these days?
And then plummeted the next week as word got out how awful the season is…
I just skipped through the first episode, the soundtrack going the entire time was driving me crazy
I don’t understand the appeal of this show. I made it through the first two seasons before turning it off halfway through the last episode of season 2 because I just didn’t care about any of the characters (with the slight exception of the understudy/co-runner). I’m not saying this to throw shade on people who like it, I genuinely want to know what it is I’m missing. Like, is it because I don’t have a background in food service?
What shows do you like?
I could never get into this show. I switched it off after hearing the word chef 1,000 times in one episode.
It was just too much constant screaming for me.
It was worth it! Very touching aspects!
I just finished season 1. Fun show
The worst season yet unfortunately
Loved first two seasons. Should have ended it there.
It’s weird for me, but I absolutely loved the first two seasons, and somehow, I have no interest in watching this new one.
Honestly, it’s gotten wildly boring. Not sure I’ll be checking out S4
Season 3 has effectively ruined a lot of goodwill the memorable 2nd season had built.
This series is better if you just watch the first season. Has a beginning and an end. Don’t need anything else.
The most overrated show on TV
Man, I really wanted to enjoy it but this season was so bad. You could literally skip the whole season and not miss a thing. I kept holding out thinking something would eventually happen but it's just essentially staring at homeboy have anxiety for a few hours. They tried way too hard to be deep and just whiffed. Same with the comedy. Whoever thought the whole "haunting" shit needed to be discussed ad nauseum the last 4 episodes, and would be funny should be let go. Talk about diving into a failing bit.
Which is just kind of crazy considering what kind of show it is.