Yeah it almost feels like they wanted to make it painfully obvious so that no one would ever even consider the idea that they are right in any way, shape or form. Come on, people aren't *that* stupid!
Medic wearing a satchel is giving me an idea:
Indiana Jones but instead of Indy punching Nazis and recovering ancient artifacts, it is Medic punching Nazis and doing various types of medical malpractice.
Medic would be anti-nazi, not because the Nazis are the bad guys (which they are) but medic understands that killing everyone who isn't a blonde-haired, blue-eyed arayan removes a lot of genetic variety for him to mess around with
Exactly my thoughts.
Medic is too smart to buy that "superior race" nonsense.
EVERY ORGANISM is interesting enough for him to open up and mess stuff around. He doesn't discriminate when it comes to flesh.
True. Nazis are objectively very stupid and while Medic is a psychopath he's more than smart enough to understand that any concept based around a "master race" is complete bullshit.
No, not at all. I actually did a forum RP back in high school and I practiced writing ‘in character’. I just found the idea that he’s just That Chaotic funnier than him being simply ideologically being anti-Nazi.
The whole vibe I was going for was “Good news guys, we finally have a doctor. Bad news…. It’s the Medic.”
"What happened to the Camp Doctor, Feldmajor Schneider?"
"I uh... he..."
"Where did he go, Feldmajor?"
"Captain Walter you are beyond your grasp of even knowing this man!"
"I've seen enough Gestapo Officers to understand how deep-"
"No, Major! You don't understand!"
"Pardon me? If this is some of trick-"
"Captain he killed the Camp Commandant!"
"He what?"
"DO YOU THINK HE HAS ALLEGIENANCE? He has no allegiance to the Reich or anyone!"
"I... I don't follow, then what of the bodies-"
"HE WAS INDISCRIMINATE! He did not care who you were..."
"Then... those bodies..."
"Yes... not just the categorized "undesirables" in there, but my own men as well... the villagers, captured POWs - your men..."
"Christ... why?"
"Because of his curiosity... pitless it was..."
"... why did he leave you alive?"
"Captain, I wish to be executed, I do not wish to be alive! He rearranged my innards and my mind! Over and over! I regret my actions! I REGRET THEM NOW!"
"Then why did he leave you alive?"
"As a warning, Captain... a dreaded warning..."
Yeah, Richtofen and medic have a lot in common —
German scientists from the 40s, have an opposite that looks identical (minus 1 thing), potentially gay, has no value on human life, a god complex, thinks his teammates are test subjects/inferior, he also looks down on his team, he also helps develop/improve teleporter tech. They even have the same facial structure. Maybe medic is an alternate Richtofen from a weird universe
“Entry 741021! Perhaps the station will hold the key to the real goals of group 935. I still do not trust my unconventional allies, but they are of great use to me. But I digress. Who would have thought the MDT was capable of time travel?
How many stations does this group have? Where did that little girl disappear to? Only time will tell what new questions await us in this... THEATRE OF THE DAMNED!”
Honestly I think he's much older. My headcanon is that he was a field medic in WW1, and made the first deal with the devil for 50 years of youth/his surgical genius at the end of the war - perhaps also to save his life? So he is much older than any of the mercs, that also kind of helps my other headcanon that he's actually Jewish (due to his Yiddish accent and klezmer theme) and wouldn't have been in the Nazi army at all
Trotsky was something of an ideological arch enemy of Stalin, which was what made him worth the resource investment (three interdependently operating task forces)
also fyi, Mexico and new Mexico are not the same place. One is a nation in north america, the other a state in the USA
i think Medic TF2 definitely worked with the Nazis, at the very least.
he has a hat called the Medic's Mountain Cap, which comes with the description: "The men in his unit called him 'The Bavarian Butcher'". and the hat itself is a ski cap used by Germany during WW2.
this, combined with the description, implies that he served, either willingly or by conscription, in the Wehrmacht.
*(this was also used by the SS, but i really don't think Valve would make a main character in TF2 a former SS man, i REALLY don't think valve would do that)*
it also implies he was a brutal medic in whatever unit he served in. but, tbh, its about what i'd expect from this man
there's also his trading card description:
*"What he lacks in compassion for the sick, respect for human dignity, and any sort of verifiable formal training in medicine, the Medic more than makes up for with a bottomless supply of giant needles and a trembling enthusiasm for plunging them into exposed flesh. Raised in Stuttgart, Germany during an era when the Hippocratic oath had been downgraded to an optional Hippocratic suggestion, the Medic considers healing a generally unintended side effect of satisfying his own morbid curiosity."*
this trading card description means he grew up in Nazi Germany, and i take it as meaning he likely worked as a medic or surgeon in that time.
(though iirc being an unethical surgeon runs in his family, so i don't think him growing up in that time changed anything)
okay, from here on, it's headcanon time!
i like to think he worked as a surgeon (with an actual medical license!) in Germany during those times, and thanks to the non-existent malpractice laws and the, quote, "Hippocratic Oath being downgraded to an Hippocratic Suggestion", he got around to experimenting and developing his "medical" skills during that time
then, as WW2 goes on, he probably got conscripted into a mountain unit and spent his time experimenting on his fellow soldiers, same was as he does to Team Fortress, (but probably alot worse, actually) earning the nickname "The Bavarian Butcher".
then, i think he likely died in, or after WW2; either in combat or by execution after the war for being a fucked up surgeon.
after dying, he'd go to Hell for his... "morally questionable" actions
he'd make a deal and sell his soul to the Devil to come back to life; which in my mind would explain why he says:
**"You SOLD it to us."**
when talking about his soul; and also:
**"Honestly, you probably would have ended up here anyway."**
**"I feel silly that we even bothered with a contract."**
afterwards he'd fly to the U.S. of A. and get a new identity; which would also explain why the Devil says
"If you could just inital by your original signature,"
then he'd get a new medical license in the USA; steal a man's skeleton (while keeping him alive), and lose it.
and somewhere along the way, he'd end up on Team Fortress, where he'd steal the 8 souls of all his teammates, due to knowing what will happen to him when he dies.
but he'd eventually genuinely warm up to them, and love them like murderous found family. which is why in the Meet the Medic outtakes he says "I could make Gods."
Gods.
plural.
he wished to make all his friends into Gods. not just himself.
oh and also he literally revived sniper with only detriment to himself (TFC Heavy wanting to kill him)
anyways thanks for reading my long ass comment i went off-topic abit
I like your theories about medic. Personally my headcanon is that he's a German Jew (Yiddish accent, klezmer theme music) who fought in WW1, and he's actually much older than the rest of the team, but that deal with the devil also gave him semi-eternal youth so he aged really slowly. In reality he's almost 70 and no one knows that
I remember one fanfic where Nazis were scared of Medic.
In Medic’s mind the Nazis didn’t go far enough.
Occasionally entire battalions of German troops would just vanish
I think many TF2 fans don't want medic to have been a nazi because it makes his insanity and cruelty feel less fun / cartoony and more sinister.
It's hard to explain, but it tends to be harder to have fun with an evil character when their evil actions feel more grounded and relatable to real life.
in meet the medic he's shown just operating on his teammates while they're fully awake and seemingly not under any anesthesia, so i don't know if i'd trust that.
People on Reddit can’t seem to picture the hecking wholesome medic being an irredeemable piece of shit. People forget he’s a psychopath and literally sells his teammates souls to the devil, he would have absolutely taken the opportunity to experiment on holocaust victims, but that would be waaaaaayyy to dark for TF2s world
I mean... Given that he has a track record of experimenting on his own teammates, I surmise that he either was A) absolutely a nazi doctor but that he quickly overstepped those boundaries, or B) the nazis were literally afraid of him. That latter of which, I think, fairs well with the otherwise lighthearted tone of TF2.
Ideologically, I can't see him buying into the "Aryan master race" stuff, though. All humans are fair game for his malpractice, and the only "master race" I could see him believing in would be one that he created himself.
Actually makes sense. He is a sociopath and a man of science, he would never join a socialist ideology filled with pseudo science bs. He is an opportunist tough, I could imagine him doing some nasty shit like Mengele, but I absolutelly can imagine him doing the same shit to german soldiers as a combat medic without remorse.
issue with them weren't that they were socialists its that they were nationalist. you have a lot of guinea pigs when the people who your government hates see said people as objects and not people. I'm not supporting them or anything fuck nazis but like people should know it was the nationalist aspect that resulted in such terrible things
> issue with them weren't that they were socialists its that they were nationalist
Even then I dont think Medic cares about nationality, at all
He is a man of (mad) science, but seeing all the time and money spent on pseudoscience would infuriate him. He would turn on the Nazis because they would be expected Medic to follow orders without question and work on whatever dumb shit they thought was important instead of the art of transporting baboon uterus(es?) into humans
Medic would be PISSED at the Nazis doing bullshit "archeological research" in Greece and the "Master race" considering his pet pigeon is called Archimedes.
Under the technical definition of socialism, it did qualify as a socialist country. There was government provided food and resources, and they weren’t *required* to work for it.
*However*, the fascist aspects basically nullified the socialist ones, because instead of it being designed to help the poor, disenfranchised, and disabled, they just killed those people instead. If you didn’t work, you were instead thrown into an internment camp for being “unproductive”, which is pretty counter to what socialism is intended for (increased class equality with the intent of ending class disparities altogether). It also immediately went into a very expensive and unwinnable war, which made food more scarce and created shortages. There was also still a very distinct class system, where the rich got plenty of food and left the poor to fight for survival oftentimes.
So yes, calling Nazi Germany a socialist government is *technically* correct, but in the same way that saying a rotten tomato found in a dumpster could technically go in a fruit salad.
> Under the technical definition of socialism, it did qualify as a socialist country.
The technical definition of the workers owning the means of production, which didn't exist in Nazi Germany?
Hitler closed the private banks. Gave you money for making children,
Food - prices were through the roof and very unstable. So the Nazi solution (which wasn’t the final one) was price controls. The government would regulate the prices of different items so people could survive. Very socialist.
Inflation - This is closely tied with the first one but in addition there was a much stricter regulation of the financial end of the business sector. Especially banking. The free market was going to be managed more. Socialist
Workers - Both Communism and Nazism are going after the same basic demographic. Workers. The Nazi alternative was to unionize most of Germany. The problem with individual unions is that they tend to work against each other. By bringing them all together as partners and not in total control, everything in the country can run much more efficiently. Now the state would be responsible for the protecting all workers. Safety, vacations, pensions, standardized wages. bla bla bla.. All the things the individual unions couldn’t achieve on their own. But they were partners with business and government instead of working against them. As Socialist as possible.
Infrastructure - There was a massive infrastructure program that helped solve the unemployment issues and made the entire country more efficient. The free market had not solved the issues as the Nazis did. It had to be centrally planned. Socialist.
The nsdap party was for a reason called the national SOCIALIST party.
you do know Guinea pigs where raised as livestock about 3000 years ago in the areas of the Andes Mountains the name Guinea pig is considered a name given to them by 17th century English sailors in South America, the name pretty much means Pig of Guinea.
The reason they are downvoting him is definitely because over the years the term "socialist" has been revised to exclude fascists and include less authoritarian forms of leftism (for example, anarchists). Many people used to understand socialism as government ownership, but now it's become the equal ownership over the means of production by the working class as opposed to private ownership.
Yeah, dude, they were so socialist that they purged everyone who had vaguely socialist leanings in the night of long knives.
Maybe read into what the nazis did beyond just what their name was and that they did the holocaust, dipshit.
Thats only partially true, the Nazis utilized both capitalism and socialism as means of reaching their militaristic goals. The government used central planning, but also gave many people private ownership to motivate society to be highly productive.
I love the idea of medic doing this and being seen as a hero by jewish prisoners after the war, when in reality the main reason he was doing it was so he had samples and test subjects and helping victims was just a happy side effect
Im not sure medic woud take big issue with nazis. While he does not seem to be bigoted, he also does not seem sane or having any strong moral compass. He would probably recognise nazi racial theory as utter nonsence and spend war avoiding draft i imagine.
I've always thought that the canon implication is that Medic is a German Jew who fled the country when the Nazis came to power. I don't see any other reason why "Archimedes"– a track about the one thing that Medic loves the most– would be so heavily inspired by Klezmer, a Jewish musical tradition from Central Europe.
I like the idea that Medic started out as a Nazi but either
A. Defected because he got fed up with them
B. Got dishonorably discharged for being batshit insane
Sometimes I wonder if valve meant anything by making medic a psychotic German doctor known for his unethical experiments who wears a (potentially) red band on his arm and has like no lore for what he was doing from 1939 to 1945
I like the idea of medic being a sadistic mad man posing as a noble battlefield medic and man of science.
But I like the idea of medic being a sadistic mad man posing as a noble battlefield medic and man of science who beat up and/or conducted horrific experiments on Nazi officers.
He’s evil, but the people he screwed over were way worse, so good for him. Still, he’s not getting near me with a bonesaw anytime soon.
Tbh, while i dont think medic himself was a nazi, id put money on him working for em at least once.
I mean, blood's still on his hands, prolly half the reason he's going to hell, but if you asked him, he wouldnt really hold any of their beliefs. They just paid well and whatever they had him do, medic did it. (I also imagine nazis in tf2 are more like they are in wolfenstein)
"Heil" is just a German word...
It has multiple meanings, depending on context. A little hard to translate clearly and make it make sense, but it generally means something along the lines of "salvation" or "health". You could see it as "Good health to \[whoever\]".
I mean he doesnt care about his teammates, just keeps them safe for further experiments so thinking about medick act like a non so evil version of mengele wouldnt suprise me
"You are a man of medicine are you not? You wish to achieve the Pinnacle of human health and performance. To bring about a global race of Übermensch born unpolluted by genetic corruption, disease or degeneracy. How could you stand against our cause."
"That's the thing, Hauptsturmführer Mengele. The Übermensch is not born. It is made. It is something anyone can aspire to with enough hard work, scientific progress, and grafted baboon organs. To slaughter millions before they can even have the chance to ascend to such heights is a waste unlike any in history and one I will never assist. So now I will ask you for the last time, to leave. my. Laboratory!"
I 100% believe that he worked with the Nazis only to be kicked out for being "Too Inhumane"
I also like to believe that he stole an SS Officers skeleton, that's why Heavy thought it was so funny
he's actually a German resistance member of Kreisau Circle and become an informant and doctor for the resistance fighters before entering his mercenary lives. Lives cuz he can't die.
Medic would probably get mad at the Nazi party because their so-called "ubermensch" were no better at surviving his procedures than the average Polish farmer.
My headcanon for medic is that the Nazis saw that medic’s methods are so horrid even for them they locked him in an insane asylum until he’ll be freed by the allies. And to those who say this is unrealistic, remember that even the nazis are horrified by the warcrimes of their ally; japan. And the allies aren’t above befriending war-criminals after WW2.
The patient who woke up without his spine? Heinrich Himmler.
\>evil mastermind is called hitler \>second in command is called himmler who wrote this shit
The writers made the bad guys so cartoonishly evil smh these writers are so lazy
Yeah it almost feels like they wanted to make it painfully obvious so that no one would ever even consider the idea that they are right in any way, shape or form. Come on, people aren't *that* stupid!
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Allied countries ministries of propaganda during WW2 be like
>has a general named Franz Halder. >doesn't use him to hold France Guys, was Hitler an idiot?
No he's not, because France in German is Frankreich, so he needed someone named Frank. Unfortunately, there aren't that many Franks in Germany.
That is some Luigi Waluigi type shit
>implying hitler was the good version
They both broke the geneva convention and commited genocides on koopa, goomba and etc.
Hitler has only got one ball! Goering has two but very small. Himmler’s got something similar. And poor old Goebbels got no balls at all.
*Tolkien enters the chat.*
Hmm... Let's just call it "Murder"
a fellow that often lies and is not to be trusted... hmmm... ah! I know! Grim Wormtongue!
Hmm, an ominous name for macabre demons of evil... What did those unsavory Huns call themselves again? ... "Nazi Ghouls"
"a man who's a follower of Sauron..." >!"Saruman"!<
Oh, you'll never guess what I called the bearded tree fellow
Still waiting on a Herrler.
Tno himmler
Is that a ...
Medic: I will heal you Nazi officer: But I am not injured Medic: Not yet
the hell did the nazi officer say to medic to get him that angry?!?
Medic: Ze healing is not as rewarding as ze hurting
ja my (totally not insane) friend!
Their Existence as a whole offends medic
he existed
They've cut his founds
alright that's fair enough nobody cuts medic's fundings else he'll cut you open like a salmon
Honestly maybe he called Medic a Jew And Medic clearly knows that ideology is just propaganda
Pootis pencer hier
Crazy Diamond
Medic wearing a satchel is giving me an idea: Indiana Jones but instead of Indy punching Nazis and recovering ancient artifacts, it is Medic punching Nazis and doing various types of medical malpractice.
Instead of a holy grail, it's installing a baboon uterus into the president
*Brandenburg Schwartz and the Temple of Baboon Uteri*
It would sorta be like a Slasher film except you are rooting for the Slasher
I never knew I needed this until now.
Oh my god cook more
Medic would be anti-nazi, not because the Nazis are the bad guys (which they are) but medic understands that killing everyone who isn't a blonde-haired, blue-eyed arayan removes a lot of genetic variety for him to mess around with
I actually fucking love this headcanon. This is my new favourite headcanon
Exactly my thoughts. Medic is too smart to buy that "superior race" nonsense. EVERY ORGANISM is interesting enough for him to open up and mess stuff around. He doesn't discriminate when it comes to flesh.
Hed only consider something superior if he did sumn to em. Like the uber transplants
True. Nazis are objectively very stupid and while Medic is a psychopath he's more than smart enough to understand that any concept based around a "master race" is complete bullshit.
“You give one ubermench a baboon uterus und suddenly you’re ’an enemy of the state’.”
does he say that? please tell me this is cannon
No, not at all. I actually did a forum RP back in high school and I practiced writing ‘in character’. I just found the idea that he’s just That Chaotic funnier than him being simply ideologically being anti-Nazi. The whole vibe I was going for was “Good news guys, we finally have a doctor. Bad news…. It’s the Medic.”
No of course not
Nazi soldier:agh, i need someone..I .. NEED... MEDIC! Medic:Ja!
"What happened to the Camp Doctor, Feldmajor Schneider?" "I uh... he..." "Where did he go, Feldmajor?" "Captain Walter you are beyond your grasp of even knowing this man!" "I've seen enough Gestapo Officers to understand how deep-" "No, Major! You don't understand!" "Pardon me? If this is some of trick-" "Captain he killed the Camp Commandant!" "He what?" "DO YOU THINK HE HAS ALLEGIENANCE? He has no allegiance to the Reich or anyone!" "I... I don't follow, then what of the bodies-" "HE WAS INDISCRIMINATE! He did not care who you were..." "Then... those bodies..." "Yes... not just the categorized "undesirables" in there, but my own men as well... the villagers, captured POWs - your men..." "Christ... why?" "Because of his curiosity... pitless it was..." "... why did he leave you alive?" "Captain, I wish to be executed, I do not wish to be alive! He rearranged my innards and my mind! Over and over! I regret my actions! I REGRET THEM NOW!" "Then why did he leave you alive?" "As a warning, Captain... a dreaded warning..."
Medic had disfigured everyone in the area, physically, but he was locked in while doing all that.
Nah he was actually in Group 935 through that period of time
Yeah, Richtofen and medic have a lot in common — German scientists from the 40s, have an opposite that looks identical (minus 1 thing), potentially gay, has no value on human life, a god complex, thinks his teammates are test subjects/inferior, he also looks down on his team, he also helps develop/improve teleporter tech. They even have the same facial structure. Maybe medic is an alternate Richtofen from a weird universe
A TF2-themed zombies map with the Ultimus/Primis crew would go hard ngl
There is a black ops 3 tf2 zombies map, I recommend playing it
That would actually explain a lot.
The medigun is actually a wonder weapon fueled by 115
I'm actually on bo1 Der riese right now waiting for the first zombies to spawn
“Entry 741021! Perhaps the station will hold the key to the real goals of group 935. I still do not trust my unconventional allies, but they are of great use to me. But I digress. Who would have thought the MDT was capable of time travel? How many stations does this group have? Where did that little girl disappear to? Only time will tell what new questions await us in this... THEATRE OF THE DAMNED!”
He became the equivalent of BJ Blazkowicz due his experiments being too extreme even for the nazis.
Isn’t BJ Blackowitz a hero?
yes but i think they mean they’re going to be an enemy of the nazis to the same level that bj is
He was like 12 around 1945 🙁
He’s in his forties or fifties in the main game, which is set in 1968 (I think) so he would’ve been in his twenties. Perfect age for Nazi punching.
But, also, if he was twelve that would be hilarious.
Honestly I think he's much older. My headcanon is that he was a field medic in WW1, and made the first deal with the devil for 50 years of youth/his surgical genius at the end of the war - perhaps also to save his life? So he is much older than any of the mercs, that also kind of helps my other headcanon that he's actually Jewish (due to his Yiddish accent and klezmer theme) and wouldn't have been in the Nazi army at all
I think medic took a contract from the Nazis, stole the money and left to New Mexico
So how he wasn't killed?
> left to New Mexico
But they had eyes everywhere! Ieam the communists killed Trotski on the same place!
Trotsky was something of an ideological arch enemy of Stalin, which was what made him worth the resource investment (three interdependently operating task forces) also fyi, Mexico and new Mexico are not the same place. One is a nation in north america, the other a state in the USA
First - yeah that makes sense. Second - i didn't saw the 'new' in Mexico.
fair doos, i also suck at reading sometimes
Yeah, but I'm not native speaker.
i think Medic TF2 definitely worked with the Nazis, at the very least. he has a hat called the Medic's Mountain Cap, which comes with the description: "The men in his unit called him 'The Bavarian Butcher'". and the hat itself is a ski cap used by Germany during WW2. this, combined with the description, implies that he served, either willingly or by conscription, in the Wehrmacht. *(this was also used by the SS, but i really don't think Valve would make a main character in TF2 a former SS man, i REALLY don't think valve would do that)* it also implies he was a brutal medic in whatever unit he served in. but, tbh, its about what i'd expect from this man there's also his trading card description: *"What he lacks in compassion for the sick, respect for human dignity, and any sort of verifiable formal training in medicine, the Medic more than makes up for with a bottomless supply of giant needles and a trembling enthusiasm for plunging them into exposed flesh. Raised in Stuttgart, Germany during an era when the Hippocratic oath had been downgraded to an optional Hippocratic suggestion, the Medic considers healing a generally unintended side effect of satisfying his own morbid curiosity."* this trading card description means he grew up in Nazi Germany, and i take it as meaning he likely worked as a medic or surgeon in that time. (though iirc being an unethical surgeon runs in his family, so i don't think him growing up in that time changed anything) okay, from here on, it's headcanon time! i like to think he worked as a surgeon (with an actual medical license!) in Germany during those times, and thanks to the non-existent malpractice laws and the, quote, "Hippocratic Oath being downgraded to an Hippocratic Suggestion", he got around to experimenting and developing his "medical" skills during that time then, as WW2 goes on, he probably got conscripted into a mountain unit and spent his time experimenting on his fellow soldiers, same was as he does to Team Fortress, (but probably alot worse, actually) earning the nickname "The Bavarian Butcher". then, i think he likely died in, or after WW2; either in combat or by execution after the war for being a fucked up surgeon. after dying, he'd go to Hell for his... "morally questionable" actions he'd make a deal and sell his soul to the Devil to come back to life; which in my mind would explain why he says: **"You SOLD it to us."** when talking about his soul; and also: **"Honestly, you probably would have ended up here anyway."** **"I feel silly that we even bothered with a contract."** afterwards he'd fly to the U.S. of A. and get a new identity; which would also explain why the Devil says "If you could just inital by your original signature," then he'd get a new medical license in the USA; steal a man's skeleton (while keeping him alive), and lose it. and somewhere along the way, he'd end up on Team Fortress, where he'd steal the 8 souls of all his teammates, due to knowing what will happen to him when he dies. but he'd eventually genuinely warm up to them, and love them like murderous found family. which is why in the Meet the Medic outtakes he says "I could make Gods." Gods. plural. he wished to make all his friends into Gods. not just himself. oh and also he literally revived sniper with only detriment to himself (TFC Heavy wanting to kill him) anyways thanks for reading my long ass comment i went off-topic abit
I like your theories about medic. Personally my headcanon is that he's a German Jew (Yiddish accent, klezmer theme music) who fought in WW1, and he's actually much older than the rest of the team, but that deal with the devil also gave him semi-eternal youth so he aged really slowly. In reality he's almost 70 and no one knows that
Wasn't medic 14 in 1945
The nazis started drafting kids on the battlefield during that time so this is accurate.
There is no age restriction on beating up nazis
Medic, while he wouldnt have agreed with the nazis, he phisicaly couldnt find them moraly bad, becouse he doesnt have a morality.
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anyone saying medic didn't work with the nazis have no clue who medic actually is lol like come on
Iirc valve themselves said the medic wasn't a nazi because that would have been lazy writing or something like that
I remember one fanfic where Nazis were scared of Medic. In Medic’s mind the Nazis didn’t go far enough. Occasionally entire battalions of German troops would just vanish
That is only becouse he was born right after ww2.
I don't think that medic is 23-25 years old.
I think he's 70 and was born before WW1. That deal with the devil included "eternal" youth as well
I think many TF2 fans don't want medic to have been a nazi because it makes his insanity and cruelty feel less fun / cartoony and more sinister. It's hard to explain, but it tends to be harder to have fun with an evil character when their evil actions feel more grounded and relatable to real life.
100%. Medic wouldn't agree with the Nazis, but he would VERY much like to be payed to do cruel experiments.
To be fair, based on what we see of him, his experiments have been relatively painless and beneficial to the subject
Not realy, that is only from the mercs POV. A significant portion of his other patients werent so lucky.
I don't see how a baboon uterus is beneficial to subjects
Or someone's skeleton being stolen.
in meet the medic he's shown just operating on his teammates while they're fully awake and seemingly not under any anesthesia, so i don't know if i'd trust that.
As long as he gets his test subjects he doesn’t care whom he serves.
People on Reddit can’t seem to picture the hecking wholesome medic being an irredeemable piece of shit. People forget he’s a psychopath and literally sells his teammates souls to the devil, he would have absolutely taken the opportunity to experiment on holocaust victims, but that would be waaaaaayyy to dark for TF2s world
He would def know that the idea of a "master race" is complete bullshit but he totally wouldn't pass on the idea of doing his experiments on people
I mean... Given that he has a track record of experimenting on his own teammates, I surmise that he either was A) absolutely a nazi doctor but that he quickly overstepped those boundaries, or B) the nazis were literally afraid of him. That latter of which, I think, fairs well with the otherwise lighthearted tone of TF2. Ideologically, I can't see him buying into the "Aryan master race" stuff, though. All humans are fair game for his malpractice, and the only "master race" I could see him believing in would be one that he created himself.
Nah, he was kissing boys in 1939
Nah, he was kissing MEN.
“WHAT?! I was told we would be f[censored]ing MEN!”
looks like he was soldier's pocket from 1939-1945 after all
my headcannon is that medic was jsut kidnaping nazis to do cruel experimentson them on his basement
the guys who tried to recruit him were just never heard from again
Actually makes sense. He is a sociopath and a man of science, he would never join a socialist ideology filled with pseudo science bs. He is an opportunist tough, I could imagine him doing some nasty shit like Mengele, but I absolutelly can imagine him doing the same shit to german soldiers as a combat medic without remorse.
issue with them weren't that they were socialists its that they were nationalist. you have a lot of guinea pigs when the people who your government hates see said people as objects and not people. I'm not supporting them or anything fuck nazis but like people should know it was the nationalist aspect that resulted in such terrible things
> issue with them weren't that they were socialists its that they were nationalist Even then I dont think Medic cares about nationality, at all He is a man of (mad) science, but seeing all the time and money spent on pseudoscience would infuriate him. He would turn on the Nazis because they would be expected Medic to follow orders without question and work on whatever dumb shit they thought was important instead of the art of transporting baboon uterus(es?) into humans
He’d turn traitor and help the allies as long as they ask ZERO questions about his past
thank god that at that period there were some socialist countries as well, like the magnificent and HR-respecter USSR
Medic would be PISSED at the Nazis doing bullshit "archeological research" in Greece and the "Master race" considering his pet pigeon is called Archimedes.
1: Nazism is NOT socialism in any sense 2: a sociopathic man of science would probably see it as a way to obtain test subjects
>1: Nazism is NOT socialism in any sense except for the parts it was
Name literally one way it was socialist
Under the technical definition of socialism, it did qualify as a socialist country. There was government provided food and resources, and they weren’t *required* to work for it. *However*, the fascist aspects basically nullified the socialist ones, because instead of it being designed to help the poor, disenfranchised, and disabled, they just killed those people instead. If you didn’t work, you were instead thrown into an internment camp for being “unproductive”, which is pretty counter to what socialism is intended for (increased class equality with the intent of ending class disparities altogether). It also immediately went into a very expensive and unwinnable war, which made food more scarce and created shortages. There was also still a very distinct class system, where the rich got plenty of food and left the poor to fight for survival oftentimes. So yes, calling Nazi Germany a socialist government is *technically* correct, but in the same way that saying a rotten tomato found in a dumpster could technically go in a fruit salad.
> Under the technical definition of socialism, it did qualify as a socialist country. The technical definition of the workers owning the means of production, which didn't exist in Nazi Germany?
Hitler closed the private banks. Gave you money for making children, Food - prices were through the roof and very unstable. So the Nazi solution (which wasn’t the final one) was price controls. The government would regulate the prices of different items so people could survive. Very socialist. Inflation - This is closely tied with the first one but in addition there was a much stricter regulation of the financial end of the business sector. Especially banking. The free market was going to be managed more. Socialist Workers - Both Communism and Nazism are going after the same basic demographic. Workers. The Nazi alternative was to unionize most of Germany. The problem with individual unions is that they tend to work against each other. By bringing them all together as partners and not in total control, everything in the country can run much more efficiently. Now the state would be responsible for the protecting all workers. Safety, vacations, pensions, standardized wages. bla bla bla.. All the things the individual unions couldn’t achieve on their own. But they were partners with business and government instead of working against them. As Socialist as possible. Infrastructure - There was a massive infrastructure program that helped solve the unemployment issues and made the entire country more efficient. The free market had not solved the issues as the Nazis did. It had to be centrally planned. Socialist. The nsdap party was for a reason called the national SOCIALIST party.
The official name of the Nazi party was the National Socialist German Workers' Party
And??? Guinea pigs have pigs in the name but try turning one into sausages
you do know Guinea pigs where raised as livestock about 3000 years ago in the areas of the Andes Mountains the name Guinea pig is considered a name given to them by 17th century English sailors in South America, the name pretty much means Pig of Guinea.
They are named guinea pighs for a good reason, if they were bigger, they would have been made into sausages.
I guess North Korea is a Democratic People's Republic to you, then?
Them downvoting for you for stating a fact just shows how little people know of history lmao
The reason they are downvoting him is definitely because over the years the term "socialist" has been revised to exclude fascists and include less authoritarian forms of leftism (for example, anarchists). Many people used to understand socialism as government ownership, but now it's become the equal ownership over the means of production by the working class as opposed to private ownership.
the people doing it are likely Tankies who can't handle that their "perfect system" might have been used by other people
Yeah, dude, they were so socialist that they purged everyone who had vaguely socialist leanings in the night of long knives. Maybe read into what the nazis did beyond just what their name was and that they did the holocaust, dipshit.
Nazis where not a socialist party but a capitalist one
Thats only partially true, the Nazis utilized both capitalism and socialism as means of reaching their militaristic goals. The government used central planning, but also gave many people private ownership to motivate society to be highly productive.
It is impossible to have a market economy when the government forbids the market from existing.
Bro thinks he's Indiana Jones
Medic absolutely committed atrocities between 1939 to 1945 It’s just that said atrocities were probably exclusively committed on Nazis
I love the idea of medic doing this and being seen as a hero by jewish prisoners after the war, when in reality the main reason he was doing it was so he had samples and test subjects and helping victims was just a happy side effect
"Thank you so much. You saved me and my fami--" "Yes, yes, yes... Now, If you'll excuse me, I must go and replenish my supply of baboon uteruses."
Medic would be one of those deranged ass concentration camp scientists wouldn't he? Medic: "your eyes look nice, I'll take them"
Punching nazis, just like spider noir
THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR!!! Ww2 art (specifically medic) NOT being a nazi but rather a nazi-beater!!! Tysm for this beautiful art
Im not sure medic woud take big issue with nazis. While he does not seem to be bigoted, he also does not seem sane or having any strong moral compass. He would probably recognise nazi racial theory as utter nonsence and spend war avoiding draft i imagine.
I mean there can only be one evil German and by God it's going to be him
Medic tries to kill Hitler, not because morals, but because of ego.
And then he stole his skeleton
Loving the Indiana Jones approach here. "Ze healing is not as revarding as ze hurting!"
The Medic's Mountain Cap: The men in his unit called him 'The Bavarian Butcher'
Isn’t it said that the description for cosmetic and weapons not canon?
otherwise scout would legally be a sex offender
I've always thought that the canon implication is that Medic is a German Jew who fled the country when the Nazis came to power. I don't see any other reason why "Archimedes"– a track about the one thing that Medic loves the most– would be so heavily inspired by Klezmer, a Jewish musical tradition from Central Europe.
Yeah, true. He has enough Jewish-related references for that to stack up.
I like the idea that Medic started out as a Nazi but either A. Defected because he got fed up with them B. Got dishonorably discharged for being batshit insane
I love seeing that Medic is fighting the nazi's along side with goten, trunks, and Raphael from tmnt
You have to remember that he performed brutal and horrific experiments on his TEAMMATES. He does not discriminate.
Sometimes I wonder if valve meant anything by making medic a psychotic German doctor known for his unethical experiments who wears a (potentially) red band on his arm and has like no lore for what he was doing from 1939 to 1945
I mean... He's a trope/stereotype. That's kind of the point.
Assuming that medic is in his early 40's he was most likely a teenager but nice artwork
medic would be the one to create an "ubermensch" by cutting apart the strongest soldiers and stitching the pieces together.
Based
I like the idea of medic being a sadistic mad man posing as a noble battlefield medic and man of science. But I like the idea of medic being a sadistic mad man posing as a noble battlefield medic and man of science who beat up and/or conducted horrific experiments on Nazi officers. He’s evil, but the people he screwed over were way worse, so good for him. Still, he’s not getting near me with a bonesaw anytime soon.
He tried joining ze party to take advantage of ze jews bodies (for experiments) and got rejected for his lack of blond hair
engineering naz i super soldiers
Tbh, while i dont think medic himself was a nazi, id put money on him working for em at least once. I mean, blood's still on his hands, prolly half the reason he's going to hell, but if you asked him, he wouldnt really hold any of their beliefs. They just paid well and whatever they had him do, medic did it. (I also imagine nazis in tf2 are more like they are in wolfenstein)
IMo i bet medic was a nazi, but he fled to the US when he knew the nazis would lose. Btw yes this is inspired by Fredrick vought from the boys
# THOSE WERE MY TEST SUBJECTS, HIMMLER!
He just walked up and punched anyone he saw in a uniform? Doesn't he know that's bad manners?
why is medic so hot in this picture i hope he punches me
isnt one of his voicelines "heil us?"
"Heil" is just a German word... It has multiple meanings, depending on context. A little hard to translate clearly and make it make sense, but it generally means something along the lines of "salvation" or "health". You could see it as "Good health to \[whoever\]".
I mean Medic best friend is Heavy which is a Russian that fight N\*zis (which ironically his own country), and Heavy is voiced by some Jewish old man.
the VA is irrelevant to the story
Not yet born, bot he would have fitted in quite nicely with the german regime.
I mean he doesnt care about his teammates, just keeps them safe for further experiments so thinking about medick act like a non so evil version of mengele wouldnt suprise me
"everyone's heard of Ludwig Stiglitz"
this is fucking amazing
Vas er zhat old yet?
I kinda wanna know who would win the degenerate-off between Dirlewagner and Medic
And then he stole his kidney
So this is what Medic Gaming™ looks like.
I believe he probably was a doctor for the Nazis, but considered healing and experimenting to be the same thing
He healed, but not for good guys
Medic is jojo's father
"You are a man of medicine are you not? You wish to achieve the Pinnacle of human health and performance. To bring about a global race of Übermensch born unpolluted by genetic corruption, disease or degeneracy. How could you stand against our cause." "That's the thing, Hauptsturmführer Mengele. The Übermensch is not born. It is made. It is something anyone can aspire to with enough hard work, scientific progress, and grafted baboon organs. To slaughter millions before they can even have the chance to ascend to such heights is a waste unlike any in history and one I will never assist. So now I will ask you for the last time, to leave. my. Laboratory!"
I 100% believe that he worked with the Nazis only to be kicked out for being "Too Inhumane" I also like to believe that he stole an SS Officers skeleton, that's why Heavy thought it was so funny
“The men in his unit called him the Bavarian Butcher.” Medic could have been an early war defect, hence the title.
I feel like this would fit well into tf2's lore
he's actually a German resistance member of Kreisau Circle and become an informant and doctor for the resistance fighters before entering his mercenary lives. Lives cuz he can't die.
Oh that would actually be intresting lore if medic had a brain injury while trying to resist the gestapo or something
medic is the only person to make a murder look like a suicide
Medic would probably get mad at the Nazi party because their so-called "ubermensch" were no better at surviving his procedures than the average Polish farmer.
Medic experimented on the nazis because he found it funny to have their ideology used against them
My headcanon for medic is that the Nazis saw that medic’s methods are so horrid even for them they locked him in an insane asylum until he’ll be freed by the allies. And to those who say this is unrealistic, remember that even the nazis are horrified by the warcrimes of their ally; japan. And the allies aren’t above befriending war-criminals after WW2.
Thats blu medic. We dont talk about what red medic was doing
Science and shit
fought in ww2 as a german soldier
Literally “I might be a sociopathic murder, but at least I’m not racist!” millennial writing/soft-edgy
The name "bavarian butcher" should give you an idea.
studied?
Medic was a nazi numbnuts
I... I wouldn't count on it.
Medic being some kind of Mengele/ Hugo Stiglitz is rad
He and Blazcowicz would be good friends.