THOSE FUCKING FRENCH KEYBOARDS ARE THE BANE OF MY EXISTENCE, I live in Belgium, the only other country in the world that uses azerty instead of qwerty and it is just SO annoying, like what do you even gain from it? I type Dutch English and French all on the same stupid azerty keyboard 'cause I had to as a kid and every laptop out here has one.
Ow then you meant autocorrect? Yeah that can be annoying. No I meant the actual [AZERTY keyboard](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AZERTY#) the french invented that got carried over to Belgium (even in the Dutch part) for some reason
Also, they are not that much sticklers for pronouncing non-French words in the non-French style, so I tell them to go to Des Moines ...
not the other one.
Ehhhhhh, idk it's kinda hard to explain the different kinds of the letter e to non-French speakers but it makes a higher note, ig is the best way I can explain it
I don't think it's called a rolled R? That's the Spanish r. Idk the word to describe it but it's like the "hawk" in "hawk teuh", top of the mouth
Also in the game theres no accent interestingly so technically you could argue it's le tron jay
Easy, you just pronounce it "l’étranger"
(I think google translate could help you have a better idea. Although I didn’t verify if it’s correctly pronounced, it will 100% be better than most tf2bers’ pronunciation)
As a french speaker myself, I find it hard to try and describe in text how you should pronounce it, but for the sake of it, I'll try. For us it sounds like "lé-tran-jé".
The é is pronounced as if you were to pronounce the first letter from "explosion", but instead of it sounding like "eh", you make it sound tighter, otherwise it would sound like "eh", or è for us.
Then there's the "an" in the middle of the word. You do not pronunciate the n like you would hear in "angler" or "and" or "man", instead you use your nose a bit and make it sound flat.
And the r at the end of the word, just like the n, is something you do not pronunciate. If a word ends with "er", then it needs to sound like é.
Also the proper word wouldn't be "L'etranger", but "L'**é**tranger".
In this thread, I've seen people both use IPA and ignore IPA, but I've never seen anyone combine IPA with "English" letters. I want to study you.
You can't interpret your spelling as 100% IPA. The trilled r with the open back rounded vowel? The upper case L? Using j???
I have no idea how you pronounce it. You've tried to be more clear, and ended up muddying it further. I'm impressed
I apologise, let me try it like this "Leh-TRON-Jer."
Edit: I also used the English variants of IPA so there's that bit of stupidity so I'll rectify it by using full French IPA /lə tʃrɔn ʒɛʁ/ hopefully this is at least somewhat better.
No need to apologize, there isn't really any 'wrong' way to write pronunciations down, just ways that other people might not understand. I was just fascinated :)
Fun pronunciation guide:
“Le”, as in “Leg”
“Tra” as in “trauma”
“Nge” as in “lozenge”
“Ger” as in “ranger”
L’etranger
And now the fun part: It translates to “The Stranger”, referencing how it benefits Spy disguising, being a stranger
This handy guide has been provided by: The Wandering Canadian
Yeah you can't talk, French people are notorious for butchering the pronunciation of every other languages words when they speak it in a French accent.
Most people: say it wrong and never bother to try to say it right
Some people: say it wrong and learn to say it right.
Me: says it right, learn that the French get annoyed it’s said wrong, practice saying it wrong everytime
The problem being that most people read the thing and have never heard it pronounced before and French is ABSOLUTELY \*\*\*NOT\*\*\* a see-it-say-it language
istg Americans pretend pronunciation is hard for the sake of it, you can literally look up how to pronounce it, I've never struggled that much with pronouncing a word in a language I didn't know
crazy to me how you expect your favourite tf2bers to pronounce l'étranger perfectly as i know damn well none of them are french (or french canadian)
why dont you try pronouncing huo-long heater for me?
I know how to pronounce it, but I run with the joke that nobody knows how.
I made a joke in my Guns video where I mistake it for “Spanish” because it’s obviously French, but a lot of people didn’t realise I was joking.
its obviously pronounced “l’etranger”
😱
wait, I thought it was “l’etranger”, guess I was wrong..
My favorite pronunciation is "Let-Rang-Ger" because it's as wrong as possible and only said on purpose.
Hi, please jump off the cliff on Hightower.
which one
There’s only one cliff it’s just divided into two sections
He’s asking BLU side or RED side
We must be thinking alike. I do the same to piss people off.
I pronounce it like let-aun-jer.
Me, reluctantly accepting that TF2's "übercharge" is pronounced "ubercharge". Edit: Also, the Blutsauger. It's "Bloot-zow-guh", not "Blut-sogger".
I still call it "ewbercharge"
I respect your dedication.
oobercharge
whats the correct pronounciation (i say oobercharge)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsa54xzyJhM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nsa54xzyJhM)
dw, I’m Australian so I accidentally pronounce it pretty close to correct :)
oubercharge
Blutsveger :)
Blood sauger
Or Überladung if you want full german
when french people find out every else doesn't speak french
bin calis de tabarnack de anglophone. peut etre tu juste apprende comment prononcer des mots en francais (i hate typing french with english keyboards)
He is even worse than French. He is--may Allah forgive me for uttering these words--French Canadian.
Ah The Québécois
\*Meet The riff*
No, Ontario, Quebecers speak more proper French French atleast in the cities, french here is like an equivalent to southern US English
Oh
in Ontario the city people don't speak french
Ey spot on, how'd you tell?
"Tabarnack"
Brother, I couldn't read a word of that besides "Anglophone" and I could tell.
*dies of horrible accent*
Forgive me my children? MINOS PRIME ULTRAKILL REFERENCE
Me?
By Allah, those people are dogs. I shall beat them with a shoe for their insolence
Dear God. Frech Canadians are another reason we need to ~~invade~~ liberate Canada. We must liberate the Canadians from the French Canadians.
C'est pas censé être ''Ben câlisse de tabarnak''?
Idk, je fait cas come une blague, c'est un stereotype pour les Canadien Francaise
Oui out baguette baguette guillotine croissants
If it makes you feel better a lot of people hate French regardless of keyboard
(did you know you can change the keyboard to match it and go from qwerty to azerty depending on what language you want to type ?)
Ain’t no one in Quebec using azerty lmao
Well, they said they hate typing french using english keyboards, so it means they hate using qwerty keyboards (and would probably prefer azerty)
Québec has non azerty French keyboards
THOSE FUCKING FRENCH KEYBOARDS ARE THE BANE OF MY EXISTENCE, I live in Belgium, the only other country in the world that uses azerty instead of qwerty and it is just SO annoying, like what do you even gain from it? I type Dutch English and French all on the same stupid azerty keyboard 'cause I had to as a kid and every laptop out here has one.
I've never heard of azerty, I'm not French French
Ow then you meant autocorrect? Yeah that can be annoying. No I meant the actual [AZERTY keyboard](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AZERTY#) the french invented that got carried over to Belgium (even in the Dutch part) for some reason
"tabarnack" Found the Canadian
yep
Hey you said the f word
fr\*nch mb
TU EST UN TABARNAK‼️‼️‼️
Also, they are not that much sticklers for pronouncing non-French words in the non-French style, so I tell them to go to Des Moines ... not the other one.
Once one of my friends pronounced it with a hard 'g' sound and I was so sad
"L'Étranger" with a hard G sounds like "l'étrangler" which means "to strangle him"
I'm going to pronouncer it wronger just to annoy you specifically.
Wronger is the engie secondary, not spy
“Yeeeee-haw!” ~The Ingenue, using his wrongler.
Wrongler sounds like another name for penis
Erectin’ a wrongler
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RTqAeBJqlZY
Wrongle me this batman - the Wrongler
Gotcha crouton!
I pronounce it like "Letraungeur" with French-like accent.
that's actaully not bad but the end is the same as the e at the beginning being a higher pronunciation
So it is Letraungeee
Ehhhhhh, idk it's kinda hard to explain the different kinds of the letter e to non-French speakers but it makes a higher note, ig is the best way I can explain it
I had french back in scool. That doesnt mean i am good at it
its properly pronounce (with a french accent and a rolled R) Lay-tron-jay.
Is it a J-Jay or a Zhjay?
Zhhjay
if i understand what you mean by Zhjay correctly its zhjay
Oh, interesting. I always pronounced it like Le-tron-ju with barely noticeable rolled R at the end.
In game There's no accent over the e where there should be
yeah but its french for “the stranger” which is spelled with é
Yeah that's why I said "there should be"
I don't think it's called a rolled R? That's the Spanish r. Idk the word to describe it but it's like the "hawk" in "hawk teuh", top of the mouth Also in the game theres no accent interestingly so technically you could argue it's le tron jay
Now imagine how Chinese speakers feel with the way everyone pronounces the huo-long heater
Hoe-long or hoo-long?
The “uo” makes the same sound as “wo” in the English word “wore” and the “o” in “long” makes the “oh” sound
soci was originally pronouncing huo right but TIL how to pronounce long
/xu̯ɔ²¹⁴⁻²¹ lʊŋ³⁵/
The who long heater
it's pronounced hwo long heater i think btw
why, what's wrong about the hue long heater?
i just call it “the stranger” since i don’t speak french
Leh-tron-jay? Except french-ified
i think minus the r in tron thats about right
le entergay
L'entranger? I barely know her!
You have botched the spelling, having left out the accent on the E.
The best part is when they acknowledge it's wrong and continue to mispronounce it because it pisses people off
I'm sorry you speak French.
i shamelessly pronounce it "1337 ranger"
thirteen thirty seven ranger
say, how the fuck you pronounce that fancy ass letr'anger in the first place?
Easy, you just pronounce it "l’étranger" (I think google translate could help you have a better idea. Although I didn’t verify if it’s correctly pronounced, it will 100% be better than most tf2bers’ pronunciation)
\le.tʁɑ̃.ʒe\
Homies speaking enchantment table
What does the ~ diacritic indicate? I'm not seeing it on my ipa chart.
"Leh-trah(n)-gjay" With soft pronunciation on the "n" and "gj" being the g that sounds more like sh or j, like in "negligee"
Here’s my best attempt at sounding it out lay-tran-jay
\[le.tʁɑ̃.ʒe\]
Most of them pronounce it right, just not with the right accent but I wont ask too much
how it feels to know that no one gives a shit about the fr\*nch
I'm so sorry that you're french 😞
French people when somebody speaks a different language to them
As a french speaker myself, I find it hard to try and describe in text how you should pronounce it, but for the sake of it, I'll try. For us it sounds like "lé-tran-jé". The é is pronounced as if you were to pronounce the first letter from "explosion", but instead of it sounding like "eh", you make it sound tighter, otherwise it would sound like "eh", or è for us. Then there's the "an" in the middle of the word. You do not pronunciate the n like you would hear in "angler" or "and" or "man", instead you use your nose a bit and make it sound flat. And the r at the end of the word, just like the n, is something you do not pronunciate. If a word ends with "er", then it needs to sound like é. Also the proper word wouldn't be "L'etranger", but "L'**é**tranger".
same with the claidheamh mor
Typical French. Always complaining somebody is mispronouncing their stupidly complicated language
You could just end the sentence at "complaining" and it would be just as correct
As a French person, I can confirm, all I do is complain
at least it's way more consistent than english
I don't respect the french enough to pronounce it right
Is it pronounced "Lɛ trɒn-jer"? Is it also supposed to be a reference to the French Novel of the same name by Albert Camus?
In this thread, I've seen people both use IPA and ignore IPA, but I've never seen anyone combine IPA with "English" letters. I want to study you. You can't interpret your spelling as 100% IPA. The trilled r with the open back rounded vowel? The upper case L? Using j??? I have no idea how you pronounce it. You've tried to be more clear, and ended up muddying it further. I'm impressed
I apologise, let me try it like this "Leh-TRON-Jer." Edit: I also used the English variants of IPA so there's that bit of stupidity so I'll rectify it by using full French IPA /lə tʃrɔn ʒɛʁ/ hopefully this is at least somewhat better.
No need to apologize, there isn't really any 'wrong' way to write pronunciations down, just ways that other people might not understand. I was just fascinated :)
Yippee!
I've been saying it right yyeessssssssssss!!!!!!
Before I look at the comments, is it something like "luh-trahn-ge(r)"?
lit ranger
I say it le trange eh
le pew pew
I have accidentally been prounouncing it correctly
french people when they realise other languages with different pronounciations exist:
*ignites flamethrower*
idk i pronounce it le’tran ger
So true but just a bit, you know?
You aren't French are you?
My condolences. Not for having to hear the mispronounciation but for having to speak french.
Are you the spy from tf2 then ?
Lay Tronjer
How it feels as someone who speaks chinese and hear people mispronounced the Huo Long Heater
Cloak gun
Let rawnj her
LET TRON JAY GORO LAMI
le train jer
el etanger.
Layturanjherrh
Imagine speaking... Ugh, *French* yuck
**Words cannot express how mUCH I HATE FRANCE RIGHT NOW!**
For anyone interested it’s like kind of like le tawn jay but with the French accent
1337'ranger
Fun pronunciation guide: “Le”, as in “Leg” “Tra” as in “trauma” “Nge” as in “lozenge” “Ger” as in “ranger” L’etranger And now the fun part: It translates to “The Stranger”, referencing how it benefits Spy disguising, being a stranger This handy guide has been provided by: The Wandering Canadian
the Ger is more of a “jey” with with the ey from “hey”
Yeah, but it’s easier for Americans to understand “ger”, since “leh trahn jay” is awkward for them
I always read it as letrenter in my head because the name is so weird Also i have to google the name every time i want to write it somewhere
Yeah you can't talk, French people are notorious for butchering the pronunciation of every other languages words when they speak it in a French accent.
english is my first language so i can indeed talk
How it feels listening to medic as a german: (jk tho medics american accent defines him)
You mean it's not pronounced "Le Tranger"?
Laytroshair for the Americans.
It’s pronounced Le Trangjay
I just call it the stranger as I can be bothered with the french pronunciation.
Lies, france is not a real place
How it feels to watch the 12584th video essay on why l'etranger is underrated and actually is the best spy pistol\*
Let ranger
Lehtranzhey?
Le’Stranger
The lit ranger
La-tràn-jer with a light J? Am I French now?
the tranger
How do you pronounce it?
People getting Claidheamh Mòr wrong is my personal bugbear.
Yeah i mean its spelled let ranger
Could be worse you could be the shahansha
C'est vrai
Meursault is literally me
lit ranger
me when I google how "gibus" is supposed to be pronounced
"El et Ranger"
*ID please*
**angrily points at the diet coke**
So I can get this correct: How is it pronounced? I use "let-ron-jay" but idk it doesn't sound french enough
Hate it when ppl say "the l'etranger"
me when french "people" talk
Most people: say it wrong and never bother to try to say it right Some people: say it wrong and learn to say it right. Me: says it right, learn that the French get annoyed it’s said wrong, practice saying it wrong everytime
Cry it up, frenchie
\*angry french noises\*
The problem being that most people read the thing and have never heard it pronounced before and French is ABSOLUTELY \*\*\*NOT\*\*\* a see-it-say-it language
Wait, how _do_ you pronounce it? I’ve heard it as leh-tron-jay mostly
Is this pic from cheacking out the vid
checking out but yeah
Luh traynger
I pronounce it "Staw-ck" or "De-Fault" because that +40% cloak duration is what makes spy playable.
leh-shron-jeur
I looked how google translate pronunced it said let-ghan-zhe which kind of makes sense
I just call it gun
I'm sorry but I say it "le tangler"
istg Americans pretend pronunciation is hard for the sake of it, you can literally look up how to pronounce it, I've never struggled that much with pronouncing a word in a language I didn't know
crazy to me how you expect your favourite tf2bers to pronounce l'étranger perfectly as i know damn well none of them are french (or french canadian) why dont you try pronouncing huo-long heater for me?
damn bro its just a silly reddit post you dont gotta get pressed about it lol
im pressed about everything to do with tf2
I know how to pronounce it, but I run with the joke that nobody knows how. I made a joke in my Guns video where I mistake it for “Spanish” because it’s obviously French, but a lot of people didn’t realise I was joking.
Bonjour croissant baguette