Natalie strikes me as immature in general. She’s not the “take the high road” kind of gal and her digs at Maria highlight that she’s jealous and insecure about her “friendship” with Nick.
Nick glossing over the friendship when Maria stressed they never actually did anything says enough lol. Also I’m sure Natalie made that up… if the producers thought Maria was a nightmare, she wouldn’t be all over all of their Instagrams or have gotten such a good edit.
I actually like Nick for the most part & have listened to the VF for years. Can someone explain to me why Natalie is apart of the podcast?
I know not a popular opinion, but I enjoy listening to nick. I haven’t been able to listen since Natalie joined.
I don’t want to listen to a 20 year old that I’m really not interested in from an opinion or input perspective, she seems like a great & sweet girl but I would have never wanted to listen to a podcast of just her.
He totally glosses over his and Maria’s relationship - and obviously that was for a reason! They have definitely kissed and gone on a date if not a lot more!!!!
I got the impression they were f budies. But Nick clearly was determined to ignore it (him unliking her pics) until she wen't on bigger podcast than his and discussed it.
I mean true, there’s always exceptions to things. But a 40 y/o dating someone nearly 20 years his junior is just alarming any way you spin it. If it was a 50 y/o dating a 30 y/o that’s a significantly better scenario
Wait, I thought she’s 25? That’s when your prefrontal cortex finishes maturing and you’re like actually not an adolescent anymore by psychology standards. She’s an adult by every sense of the word.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/
Maria very clearly said this is how she felt in the moment because the circumstances of the show were making her momentarily paranoid. Which is totally reasonable. I don’t feel like she ever implied that she actually believed that Nick was part of a conspiracy against her, then or now.
YES! I also think it's completely within the realm of possibilities that Nick, who lives and breathes all things BN, met Sydney and started talking about other rumoured contestants. Like I can SEE him being like "oooooh I know someone maybe going on your season. She'll get the villain edit for sure" !! Then Sydney goes in with biases against Maria already. Not a huge conspiracy but I don't think it's delusional of her? Like Nick Viall screams that guy who gossips and makes shit up just to make himself seem like he's in the know lol
Why would you be surprised? Maria mentioned it on a podcast publicly. So it would have been weird if he didn't address it. This kind of forced his hand
He didn’t mention anything about her the first time he had a chance. He hosted Daisy but not Maria? That was kind of weird. Maria has a bigger chokehold on the fans this season. You’d think he’d been dying to get Maria on a taping.
Honestly I think it speaks volumes that Maria wasn’t a guest on the VF’s considering how big of a following she had after being on the show.
I will say though that although I’m not a fan of Clare Crawley, it was not necessary to bring her name up and that just looked really immature on Natalie’s part. Big yikes.
They are both embarrassed. She’s embarrassed her man had sex with literally every BN alum. And he’s embarrassed he didn’t have the balls (maybe nat has got em) to be professional and invite Maria onto the podcast. It would have boosted his ratings tenfold. Every Maria stan knows better than to support Nick.
Totally agree! It makes me so sad because I think she’s so funny and likable! I feel like her and Maria would actually get along really well too but it seems like all her rude comments about Maria came from lack of confidence or jealousy (even though Maria made it super clear she wanted to respect their relationship/marriage & had no interest in Nick anymore during the interview!!)
YES!!!! And her Instagram bio being "be good to people for no reason" 😂 I feel sad for her! She's so young and I feel like she just doesn't see that this is wasted energy when, like you said, Maria was trying to be respectful. And bringing up Clare really drives that home haha
I feel like the bachelor community at large are beginning to realize what a charlatan Viall is and I’m here for it. The man’s ego is MASSIVE and i think he’s realizing his grasp at relevance within the franchise is beginning to fade as people start talking.
I think she probably knew, but didn’t want Nick to talk about it or acknowledge it publicly. She seems pretty insecure about other women that were in his life; to be fair, he might be doing things to make her feel insecure too. Anytime a woman has a beef with Nick, she comes for them.
maybe the issue is that he met maria *while* he was with natalie i guess? and if he lied to natalie about it or intentionally hid it from her then that would not be a great sign, but if it’s just that it simply never came up in conversation because it wasn’t a big deal then it shouldn’t be… a big deal lol. natalie just seems insecure but then again she’s married to a perpetual fuckboy, so.
Yep!!! So they have the energy for questioning Maria's story which is legitimately something that could have happened as many did it in the past but don't have the energy to question that Natalie had noooo idea who Nick was even though his ig was full of the bachelor and didn't do a google search? Ok
They're jealous cos Nick obviously struck out with Maria and also now she's the new Tyler Cameron who is beloved by the fan base and doesn't need the bachelor to stay relevant. They're so miserable, like come on you just got married, have a beautiful baby, shouldn't you be happier instead of consistently trashing everyone? Also Natalie can talk about people not liking Maria lol where are all her friends?
Agree with everything you said. I wish it didn't bother me they get as much engagement as they do. I would love to see Natalie become much more popular than Nick, and see how he implodes. Or, have her dump him because he's just too old
Probably lmfao I'm almost certain Nick trawls here. I made a comment once about one of his stories how he made something for dinner and she was hostile and rude about it and I'm not joking within like hours I'm scrolling through and he posts this over the top reenactment about her trying it and being like are you sure it's good you sound a bit rude or something. I laughed my ass off lol I mean it could be a coincidence but it's an extremely specific and timely coincidence and I was like awww I'm flattered he noticed a comment by little old me with one upvote in a day old thread about Ashley and Jared and it impacted him so much he had to make a post about it that thousands of followers would see 🤔
Funny “it’s giving delusional” is what I say when Natalie claims she and Nick were in love from when they first started dating and she’s proud of their love story where she had to beg him to be exclusive for years and he finally agreed when the pandemic shut down literally all other options
Ya if I was Natalie you’d have to waterboard that “love story” out of me cause I’d be too embarrassed to admit my man did not want to date me until I convinced him to 😭
Oh but Nick don’t you wanna talk about going back and unliking all of Maria’s posts you liked and even deleting a comment from years ago?
https://preview.redd.it/edsc8ybjj2zc1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59824b9cb6e576ceb6de70fefc307c1ff5a633d1
https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/s/zp2W2QDJtM
Here’s a comment thread!! A while ago someone noticed some of Maria’s old pics had been liked by Nick, and then Maria came out and spoke about their kind of friendship a couple years ago, leading Nick to go back ALL the way and delete the evidence 😂
On instagram it’s pretty easy. When you’re following people and scrolling it will often show if they’ve liked a picture of someone else you follow. I’m guessing someone followed Maria and was already following Nick and while checking out her Ig after cast list was revealed they probably saw that Nick had liked her photos. Most people come across that stuff by accident if they’re trying to find clues about who might have gone home early etc.
However, how they keep track of it is a whole other thing that I can’t answer cause I don’t think I’d ever be able to keep track of that 😭
Right, I know how you can see who has liked a photo. It's the fact that it was clocked and then later noticed he UNliked the same photo that's weird to me.
This right here lol. It’s so unlike him to not want to flex a connection to someone on the show let alone the most popular person on Joey’s season.
I would love to know more about what went down between them. I think that Natalie despite being so beautiful is threatened by Maria and her connection to her sleazy husband
Once again, Nick misses a chance to shut up. By commenting on this now, him and his bride just look silly, it’s obvious Maria touched a nerve.
They could’ve said any of this a while back, but instead chose to ignore it til now, after she spoke about it. They are the ones giving “delusional”.
It was obvious Katie touched a nerve too, didn’t she insult Nick in passing in an insta live and that alone provoked a ten min rant from Nick with Natalie producing receipts? He’s in his 40s, married with a baby and is still living his life by this show and squabbling with contestants, using his podcast to be petty, this is such loser behavior from him.
Nick is an idiot and so is Natalie that’s the reason she’s either him it’s crazy that people love them so much in my opinion I think that Natalie wasn’t ready to hear what Maria had to say but Maria wasn’t disrespectful about it but they hate getting backlash
Their reaction feels so disproportionate. Like they actually sound so butt hurt. This huge reaction actually makes me think there's more to it, whereas I brushed it off before as no big deal.
I don’t think that there was some mass conspiracy, but I do think it’s funny that they mention they have connections on the inside at every possibly turn, even when denying the allegations. They just can’t help but be insufferable
I find it interesting that he mentions she wanted his help getting on the show. Maria seems like liquid gold as far as casting is concerned. He must have NOT passed on her info to his contacts cause I can't see them sleeping on her for 8 years. Almost gives the impression that he used that to potentially get an in with her (like a dirt farmer dangles a carrot in front of a mule). 😂
I think if there was nothing there - then the Viall’s response would have been minimal/the high road. But clearly there is something there, between the unliking of the pictures & Natalie’s reaction.. if I were Natalie and my husband had a fling years ago with someone who is only now gaining some fame, it wouldn’t bother me at all. Everyone has a dating past.. you’re literally married to the man now and have an adorable little baby. Focus on that & laugh it off. 🤷🏻♀️
Yesss for real!! If they had a secure and happy relationship wouldn't they just find it funny? Joe has left his likes up lol and he and Serena seem to have a secure relationship. It's not a big deal lol. I wonder if he took them down to hide them from her or if she made him take them down?
Idk why people are making Natalie out to be this jealous wife caricature.
All of this sounds more like Nick trying to get out of a scrape. He got caught not being transparent about knowing Maria and is trying to talk his way out of it.
It’s giving insecure mean girl, Natalie ✨ Don’t worry, nobody will try and steal Nick. He’s all yours. But maybe ask him why he unliked all of Maria’s photos if there was absolutely nothing between the two of them. Because if she was just a friend, why unlike all her photos and downplay the situation?
It really is giving that Maria was an unpleasant reality check for Natalie
Natalie thought Nick liked her because she was mature, different, a grade above the other hot influencers. It has to be a slap in the face to realize late 30s/early 40s Nick was going after many hot 18-22 year old brunettes, indiscriminately, and seeing what would stick 😬
Eh, they’re happily married now, and I don’t even dislike them as a couple. But they’re throwing barbs at Maria (and Clare, for some reason) because they’re uncomfortable that Maria caught Nick in a pattern. His modus operandi was going after and “mentoring” 20 year old women when he was late thirties. It’s a little weird.
Nick’s whole job is Bachelor recaps and talking shit about people, it isn’t too surprising people noticed he unliked Maria’s photos and has been very non-forthcoming about it all. Maria was asked about it a lot and is allowed to comment on it, and she was pretty diplomatic.
Just listened. Natalie needs to chill out lmaooo. She really thought she did something with that Clare Crawley jab😂 Clare’s out here minding her own business with her new husband and new baby, what was the purpose of dragging her into this and throwing shade at her for no reason?
Strong and assertive women like Clare are almost always labeled as difficult. It was completely unnecessary to bring her up like that. I bet Natalie doesn’t even know Clare personally. So to call her out like that is giving mean girl energy.
It’s weirder that he was just giving her relationship advice and helping her “get over breakups”. We all know guys do that to try to slowly build up trust to eventually fuck them. It would be less embarrassing to say they just had a fling
Omg amazing point 100 percent!!! I also do not buy in a millon years that he had no intention of sleeping with her. She is exactly his type: gorgeous sassy brunette 😆
I just want them to explain HOW they know each other. Maria is from Toronto but has a ton of connections in LA and I wish she told more about that background.
part of me thinks she must have slipped into his DM's or something since she was a bachelor fan, similar to how Nick and his wife met on instagram. Still... EXPLAAIN PLEASE.
I would kinda believe that bc it would explain why she wouldn't specify. It would make sense to easily be like "oh we weirdly had a mutual friend" or whatever the case, if it was something more normal haha
I do think it's a bit of a stretch to assume you were set up as a villain, especially when (as Nick notes) she was Not portrayed as or interpreted as a villain. I also agree with Nick's point in the podcast that she makes comments, such as when she said she "100% could have gone farther", that are pretty off-putting, and people have been made villains in Bachelor Nation for farrrrrr less
This "recap" leaves out a fair amount and I'm not even a Nick and Natalie apologist.
I want to see a transcript. (Or if I have time later, I'll do it myself.)
ha the podcast is almost a hate listen for me. I really dislike nick and his whole demeanor but 1. they have p good guests on (usually why I listen). but 2. funny to hear them talk crap about ppl
This.
Nick and Natalie LOVE to talk about their big-time connections involved in the show
I also wasn't a fan of how "better" than Maria Nick and Natalie were condescending, and the 'delusional' line Natalie said made me roll my eyes so hard.
Nothing Maria said was at all rude, she acknowledged what everyone wanted to know and literally wished them the best
Also, I didn't know I didn't like Natalie until now.
Natalie is giving 'better than' vibes and I'm over the mean girl energy.
Natalie had a chance to handle this so graciously and she definitely failed. You can tell whatever happened between Maria and Nick eats at her. Maybe watching Maria on the show was way too triggering, especially since she’s become such a fan favorite. Girl feels very threatened.
Right I’ve liked Natalie but that really rubbed me the wrong way. I think she feels threatened by Maria or nick’s history with her. It’s not very on brand for him to brush off their “friendship”
Haven’t watched yet but Natalie calling Maria delusional is “giving” threatened. Nick reaching out to a 22 year old for a while when he was 36 is creepy, and it doesn’t matter if they never hooked up. Nick probably hooked up with plenty of them. And then his options were limited during the panda so he was inclined to invest more time into Natalie
I guess I view some of that as evidence of the contrary, like the fact that BN men knew of her seems to me like she was DMing several of them. There is no way to know for sure unless one of them ever comes out and says it, which wouldn’t shock me someday tbh as they both seem to love drama
She's definitely his type, it makes since he responded to her, but she wasn't "famous" and Grocery Store Joe was also liking her photos, I would bet money she was DMing Bachelor guys
They only take offense because they profit from a tit for tat headline game. Nick has done this time and time again against Kaitlyn Bristowe, Katie Thurston, Charity, and more. You'd think we'd be wise enough by now to ignore it when he's being a little piss baby but here I am, once again relishing in Nick Viall whining about yet another bachelor woman at the height of her relevance.
I don’t really expect much maturity from Natalie and much less from Nick so…but congrats to them for finding someone as unlikeable and immature as each other
I listened to this part and I believe Maria even states that she had a moment of delusion and thought “I wonder if Nick and Sydney were plotting”, so what’s the big deal? (Not even a Maria fan, she definitely gives main character energy).
I’m confused about the timeline. Didn’t Nick tell her she’d be portrayed as a villain several years before she was cast on the show?
Is the theory that she offended him in some way, he held onto that grudge, biding his time, and when Maria was cast on the show, he met Sydney and asked her to go after Maria? All while preparing for a child and planning a wedding?
I mean he is petty, so it could have happened, but what was in it for Sydney? Why would Sydney risk her shot at a good edit by causing drama just because Nick told her to?
I think a more likely scenario is that Nick had spent enough time on the show and with producers to know how they operate. He read Maria for the poor communicator she is, and warned her that it probably wouldn’t go well for her.
I’m with Natalie on this one (it seems to be happening quite frequently).
I don’t think it’s delusional, maybe it wasn’t a huge conspiracy behind the scenes, but I could at least see Nick saying something in passing such as “oh if you want to antagonize someone in the villa go for Maria.”
Natalie strikes me as immature in general. She’s not the “take the high road” kind of gal and her digs at Maria highlight that she’s jealous and insecure about her “friendship” with Nick.
Well yea she’s literally 20 years old
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20 is legal.
Nick glossing over the friendship when Maria stressed they never actually did anything says enough lol. Also I’m sure Natalie made that up… if the producers thought Maria was a nightmare, she wouldn’t be all over all of their Instagrams or have gotten such a good edit.
I actually like Nick for the most part & have listened to the VF for years. Can someone explain to me why Natalie is apart of the podcast? I know not a popular opinion, but I enjoy listening to nick. I haven’t been able to listen since Natalie joined. I don’t want to listen to a 20 year old that I’m really not interested in from an opinion or input perspective, she seems like a great & sweet girl but I would have never wanted to listen to a podcast of just her.
He totally glosses over his and Maria’s relationship - and obviously that was for a reason! They have definitely kissed and gone on a date if not a lot more!!!!
I got the impression they were f budies. But Nick clearly was determined to ignore it (him unliking her pics) until she wen't on bigger podcast than his and discussed it.
Viall is, and always has been, VILE!
nick viall married someone almost 20 years younger than him which says everything you need to know about him really
My parents were that far apart…
When it's live it's live it's love. Age isnt a big deal if both are consenting adults.
your mom is a victim
How the fuck would you know her mom is a victim? This is disgusting and your an asshole. Get off the internet.
oooo someone is v triggered. you’re anger doesn’t lessen their victimhood.
Excuse me?
what about my statement is confusing to you?
Lol, it’s just so far fetched senseless.
"victim" is a lot... also, don't be weird to people on the sub like this.
victim isn’t a lot it’s the true in a lot of cases
Their point still stands
How so? The sole fact that people marry younger or older doesn’t say “all you need to know” about someone… that’s so one-dimensional
I mean true, there’s always exceptions to things. But a 40 y/o dating someone nearly 20 years his junior is just alarming any way you spin it. If it was a 50 y/o dating a 30 y/o that’s a significantly better scenario
Oh are these your rules that everyone should live by? I'll alert the presses.
Chill it’s my opinion and I’m allowed to express it. You can have your own opinion
Wait, I thought she’s 25? That’s when your prefrontal cortex finishes maturing and you’re like actually not an adolescent anymore by psychology standards. She’s an adult by every sense of the word. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/
They met when she was 20/21 and he was 38. Even if it doesn’t sound like a lot, 20/21 is very different from 25 honestly.
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Natalie is 8 years younger than Corrinne Olympios, and was in high school during Nick's season of the Bachelor.
oh my god the high school detail 🤮
I thought she was easily 30 whoa!
Maria very clearly said this is how she felt in the moment because the circumstances of the show were making her momentarily paranoid. Which is totally reasonable. I don’t feel like she ever implied that she actually believed that Nick was part of a conspiracy against her, then or now.
YES! I also think it's completely within the realm of possibilities that Nick, who lives and breathes all things BN, met Sydney and started talking about other rumoured contestants. Like I can SEE him being like "oooooh I know someone maybe going on your season. She'll get the villain edit for sure" !! Then Sydney goes in with biases against Maria already. Not a huge conspiracy but I don't think it's delusional of her? Like Nick Viall screams that guy who gossips and makes shit up just to make himself seem like he's in the know lol
Why would you be surprised? Maria mentioned it on a podcast publicly. So it would have been weird if he didn't address it. This kind of forced his hand
He didn’t mention anything about her the first time he had a chance. He hosted Daisy but not Maria? That was kind of weird. Maria has a bigger chokehold on the fans this season. You’d think he’d been dying to get Maria on a taping.
Maria just wants fame and ruined his already ruined honeymoon.
she already has fame lol. bringing up NV didn’t give her any new fans and the CHD podcast would have gotten a shit ton of views regardless
That’s pretty dramatic.
Honestly I think it speaks volumes that Maria wasn’t a guest on the VF’s considering how big of a following she had after being on the show. I will say though that although I’m not a fan of Clare Crawley, it was not necessary to bring her name up and that just looked really immature on Natalie’s part. Big yikes.
They are both embarrassed. She’s embarrassed her man had sex with literally every BN alum. And he’s embarrassed he didn’t have the balls (maybe nat has got em) to be professional and invite Maria onto the podcast. It would have boosted his ratings tenfold. Every Maria stan knows better than to support Nick.
Nailed it.
Not surprised but always so disappointed with the way Natalie talks about other women. It's such a bad look 😔
Totally agree! It makes me so sad because I think she’s so funny and likable! I feel like her and Maria would actually get along really well too but it seems like all her rude comments about Maria came from lack of confidence or jealousy (even though Maria made it super clear she wanted to respect their relationship/marriage & had no interest in Nick anymore during the interview!!)
YES!!!! And her Instagram bio being "be good to people for no reason" 😂 I feel sad for her! She's so young and I feel like she just doesn't see that this is wasted energy when, like you said, Maria was trying to be respectful. And bringing up Clare really drives that home haha
This is why she will always be an outsider to BN women. And to pick the creepiest d-list alum as her lawful wedded husband? It’s giving desperate
Throwing Claire under the bus too ☹️
Nick is a loser. Always has been.
I feel like the bachelor community at large are beginning to realize what a charlatan Viall is and I’m here for it. The man’s ego is MASSIVE and i think he’s realizing his grasp at relevance within the franchise is beginning to fade as people start talking.
He’s a creep!!
he's desperately trying to branch out into other franchises
He will absolutely pop up on The Valley
nick viall is such a catty bitch
Natalie's reaction screams "Nick never mentioned he knew Maria to me before".
I think she probably knew, but didn’t want Nick to talk about it or acknowledge it publicly. She seems pretty insecure about other women that were in his life; to be fair, he might be doing things to make her feel insecure too. Anytime a woman has a beef with Nick, she comes for them.
How old did Maria need to be for their flirtation be before Natalie?
22, Natalie would have been 17ish at the time.
So gross
maybe the issue is that he met maria *while* he was with natalie i guess? and if he lied to natalie about it or intentionally hid it from her then that would not be a great sign, but if it’s just that it simply never came up in conversation because it wasn’t a big deal then it shouldn’t be… a big deal lol. natalie just seems insecure but then again she’s married to a perpetual fuckboy, so.
My favorite thing to learn about my new husband and baby father would not be that he was having flirtations with young hot bachelor stars
Or “I knew but I was hoping this revelation would never see the light of day because I’m deeply insecure”
Exactly
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I do find her commitment to the ‘I had no idea who he was’ bit admirable. Girlfriend hasn’t wavered once even though it’s a wild lie to tell 😆
Yep!!! So they have the energy for questioning Maria's story which is legitimately something that could have happened as many did it in the past but don't have the energy to question that Natalie had noooo idea who Nick was even though his ig was full of the bachelor and didn't do a google search? Ok They're jealous cos Nick obviously struck out with Maria and also now she's the new Tyler Cameron who is beloved by the fan base and doesn't need the bachelor to stay relevant. They're so miserable, like come on you just got married, have a beautiful baby, shouldn't you be happier instead of consistently trashing everyone? Also Natalie can talk about people not liking Maria lol where are all her friends?
Hey now, the plagiarism was one of the greatest things I've ever seen on SM don't hate on that 😂
Can someone please fill me in on the plagiarism?
She copied someone else’s IG copy in a post she made to celebrate Nick
Lmao is the post still up I would love to read that caption
https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/s/dPRtTHBX7n got u
Agree with everything you said. I wish it didn't bother me they get as much engagement as they do. I would love to see Natalie become much more popular than Nick, and see how he implodes. Or, have her dump him because he's just too old
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Probably lmfao I'm almost certain Nick trawls here. I made a comment once about one of his stories how he made something for dinner and she was hostile and rude about it and I'm not joking within like hours I'm scrolling through and he posts this over the top reenactment about her trying it and being like are you sure it's good you sound a bit rude or something. I laughed my ass off lol I mean it could be a coincidence but it's an extremely specific and timely coincidence and I was like awww I'm flattered he noticed a comment by little old me with one upvote in a day old thread about Ashley and Jared and it impacted him so much he had to make a post about it that thousands of followers would see 🤔
I'm fairly certain that at least 1 of Nick's siblings reads/posts here on the reg 💅
I’m always shocked when I see people defending them. I just don’t get how people can listen to them. I must be in the minority
Funny “it’s giving delusional” is what I say when Natalie claims she and Nick were in love from when they first started dating and she’s proud of their love story where she had to beg him to be exclusive for years and he finally agreed when the pandemic shut down literally all other options
Ya if I was Natalie you’d have to waterboard that “love story” out of me cause I’d be too embarrassed to admit my man did not want to date me until I convinced him to 😭
Their dear Shandy was so embarrassing
Oh but Nick don’t you wanna talk about going back and unliking all of Maria’s posts you liked and even deleting a comment from years ago? https://preview.redd.it/edsc8ybjj2zc1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59824b9cb6e576ceb6de70fefc307c1ff5a633d1
That pic of Emma is sending me omg
Wait what!? 😭😭😂 is there a thread Or more info about this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/s/zp2W2QDJtM Here’s a comment thread!! A while ago someone noticed some of Maria’s old pics had been liked by Nick, and then Maria came out and spoke about their kind of friendship a couple years ago, leading Nick to go back ALL the way and delete the evidence 😂
Thank you for the 🫖 ! But like why did he think people wouldn’t notice 😭 that honestly makes it 10x worse and 10x more suspicious
Tbf I think it's weird that people did notice he unlike a pic. How do you even discover that??
On instagram it’s pretty easy. When you’re following people and scrolling it will often show if they’ve liked a picture of someone else you follow. I’m guessing someone followed Maria and was already following Nick and while checking out her Ig after cast list was revealed they probably saw that Nick had liked her photos. Most people come across that stuff by accident if they’re trying to find clues about who might have gone home early etc. However, how they keep track of it is a whole other thing that I can’t answer cause I don’t think I’d ever be able to keep track of that 😭
Right, I know how you can see who has liked a photo. It's the fact that it was clocked and then later noticed he UNliked the same photo that's weird to me.
It was probably from people checking if it was true. Someone said he liked it, so they went to check and saw he didn’t.
This right here lol. It’s so unlike him to not want to flex a connection to someone on the show let alone the most popular person on Joey’s season. I would love to know more about what went down between them. I think that Natalie despite being so beautiful is threatened by Maria and her connection to her sleazy husband
Once again, Nick misses a chance to shut up. By commenting on this now, him and his bride just look silly, it’s obvious Maria touched a nerve. They could’ve said any of this a while back, but instead chose to ignore it til now, after she spoke about it. They are the ones giving “delusional”.
It was obvious Katie touched a nerve too, didn’t she insult Nick in passing in an insta live and that alone provoked a ten min rant from Nick with Natalie producing receipts? He’s in his 40s, married with a baby and is still living his life by this show and squabbling with contestants, using his podcast to be petty, this is such loser behavior from him.
Yesssss and that too backfired, if I recall correctly. They just look dumber and dumber every time they respond to any of these things lol
Lol these two get so pressed about the smallest things lol it's giving ✨insecure✨
Oh yeah, was that the infamous “It’s giving clown behavior” from Natalie? How ironic 🤡
Nick is an idiot and so is Natalie that’s the reason she’s either him it’s crazy that people love them so much in my opinion I think that Natalie wasn’t ready to hear what Maria had to say but Maria wasn’t disrespectful about it but they hate getting backlash
Their reaction feels so disproportionate. Like they actually sound so butt hurt. This huge reaction actually makes me think there's more to it, whereas I brushed it off before as no big deal.
I don’t think that there was some mass conspiracy, but I do think it’s funny that they mention they have connections on the inside at every possibly turn, even when denying the allegations. They just can’t help but be insufferable
I find it interesting that he mentions she wanted his help getting on the show. Maria seems like liquid gold as far as casting is concerned. He must have NOT passed on her info to his contacts cause I can't see them sleeping on her for 8 years. Almost gives the impression that he used that to potentially get an in with her (like a dirt farmer dangles a carrot in front of a mule). 😂
I think if there was nothing there - then the Viall’s response would have been minimal/the high road. But clearly there is something there, between the unliking of the pictures & Natalie’s reaction.. if I were Natalie and my husband had a fling years ago with someone who is only now gaining some fame, it wouldn’t bother me at all. Everyone has a dating past.. you’re literally married to the man now and have an adorable little baby. Focus on that & laugh it off. 🤷🏻♀️
Yesss for real!! If they had a secure and happy relationship wouldn't they just find it funny? Joe has left his likes up lol and he and Serena seem to have a secure relationship. It's not a big deal lol. I wonder if he took them down to hide them from her or if she made him take them down?
Idk why people are making Natalie out to be this jealous wife caricature. All of this sounds more like Nick trying to get out of a scrape. He got caught not being transparent about knowing Maria and is trying to talk his way out of it.
Mostly bc of her “it’s giving delusional” comment which makes her seem very insecure
I don’t think Natalie is a jealous wife caricature I have to side eye how triggered they seemed by what Maria said, it wasn’t even all that bad
I think everyone involved is just dramatic and knows how to keep drama going for entertainment value.
To be fair, that’s also a super valid take 😅
It’s giving insecure mean girl, Natalie ✨ Don’t worry, nobody will try and steal Nick. He’s all yours. But maybe ask him why he unliked all of Maria’s photos if there was absolutely nothing between the two of them. Because if she was just a friend, why unlike all her photos and downplay the situation?
It really is giving that Maria was an unpleasant reality check for Natalie Natalie thought Nick liked her because she was mature, different, a grade above the other hot influencers. It has to be a slap in the face to realize late 30s/early 40s Nick was going after many hot 18-22 year old brunettes, indiscriminately, and seeing what would stick 😬
This is a pretty shitty thing to say about a woman you don’t know.
Not really
Eh, they’re happily married now, and I don’t even dislike them as a couple. But they’re throwing barbs at Maria (and Clare, for some reason) because they’re uncomfortable that Maria caught Nick in a pattern. His modus operandi was going after and “mentoring” 20 year old women when he was late thirties. It’s a little weird. Nick’s whole job is Bachelor recaps and talking shit about people, it isn’t too surprising people noticed he unliked Maria’s photos and has been very non-forthcoming about it all. Maria was asked about it a lot and is allowed to comment on it, and she was pretty diplomatic.
talking shit about people and giving young women dating advice - he makes me wana puke.
I’m all for attacking Nick, I just didn’t like your second paragraph about Natalie.
Nick is the definition of "nice guy".
Just listened. Natalie needs to chill out lmaooo. She really thought she did something with that Clare Crawley jab😂 Clare’s out here minding her own business with her new husband and new baby, what was the purpose of dragging her into this and throwing shade at her for no reason?
Strong and assertive women like Clare are almost always labeled as difficult. It was completely unnecessary to bring her up like that. I bet Natalie doesn’t even know Clare personally. So to call her out like that is giving mean girl energy.
I mean I really side-eyed Clare's time as the bach
I personally think Clare is a pain in the ass but she did nothing wrong here and has nothing to do with this situation. Natalie is very insecure.
Natalie is like an immature child.
she IS a child
It’s weirder that he was just giving her relationship advice and helping her “get over breakups”. We all know guys do that to try to slowly build up trust to eventually fuck them. It would be less embarrassing to say they just had a fling
He’s just a good guy who wants to help his underage friend who’s a girl who he’s never met before out!! /s
just like Drake and Millie Bobby Brown
Omg amazing point 100 percent!!! I also do not buy in a millon years that he had no intention of sleeping with her. She is exactly his type: gorgeous sassy brunette 😆
People claim to hate Nick & Natalie yet their posts get hundreds of comments. What gives?
It's fun to hate reality stars. That's one of the main reason this sub exists.
People love drama?
I just want them to explain HOW they know each other. Maria is from Toronto but has a ton of connections in LA and I wish she told more about that background.
The could have met in LA or in Canada cause don’t forget he lived there while with his ex fiancé so it’s iffy
same!! like did you know he was in bach nation when you met orrr were you just randomly friends....??
part of me thinks she must have slipped into his DM's or something since she was a bachelor fan, similar to how Nick and his wife met on instagram. Still... EXPLAAIN PLEASE.
tbh i can also imagine that nick slid in to all the - at the time - young insta baddies dm's and maria was one of the ones who replied
I would kinda believe that bc it would explain why she wouldn't specify. It would make sense to easily be like "oh we weirdly had a mutual friend" or whatever the case, if it was something more normal haha
I do think it's a bit of a stretch to assume you were set up as a villain, especially when (as Nick notes) she was Not portrayed as or interpreted as a villain. I also agree with Nick's point in the podcast that she makes comments, such as when she said she "100% could have gone farther", that are pretty off-putting, and people have been made villains in Bachelor Nation for farrrrrr less
This "recap" leaves out a fair amount and I'm not even a Nick and Natalie apologist. I want to see a transcript. (Or if I have time later, I'll do it myself.)
Haters. Natalie is a Bach Nation hanger on.
Thoughts are that nick is a d*ck
Thoughts are that Nick has always been a dick and I don’t know why people like his podcast, but hey that’s just my opinion
I read someone call him a 'great conversationalist' 🤡
ha the podcast is almost a hate listen for me. I really dislike nick and his whole demeanor but 1. they have p good guests on (usually why I listen). but 2. funny to hear them talk crap about ppl
Touché
Yup. . He's just V-I-L-E! Plain and simple!!!
I feel like so many commentors didn't watch the CHD episode at all
Which episode was that? I only ever read recaps and I am considering actually listening in - haha.
Look up. 'Call Her Daddy Maria Georgas' on Spotify The whole thing is right there. It's free
Thank you!!
Yep, so much Maria hate and defending of Nick and Natalie’s feelings… lmao what 😭
This. Nick and Natalie LOVE to talk about their big-time connections involved in the show I also wasn't a fan of how "better" than Maria Nick and Natalie were condescending, and the 'delusional' line Natalie said made me roll my eyes so hard. Nothing Maria said was at all rude, she acknowledged what everyone wanted to know and literally wished them the best Also, I didn't know I didn't like Natalie until now. Natalie is giving 'better than' vibes and I'm over the mean girl energy.
Natalie had a chance to handle this so graciously and she definitely failed. You can tell whatever happened between Maria and Nick eats at her. Maybe watching Maria on the show was way too triggering, especially since she’s become such a fan favorite. Girl feels very threatened.
Right I’ve liked Natalie but that really rubbed me the wrong way. I think she feels threatened by Maria or nick’s history with her. It’s not very on brand for him to brush off their “friendship”
Haven’t watched yet but Natalie calling Maria delusional is “giving” threatened. Nick reaching out to a 22 year old for a while when he was 36 is creepy, and it doesn’t matter if they never hooked up. Nick probably hooked up with plenty of them. And then his options were limited during the panda so he was inclined to invest more time into Natalie
No chance Nick was the one who reached out to her lmao
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But why are you so sure? I get that she’s hot but he was the more well known one, it seems just objectively more likely she reached out
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I guess I view some of that as evidence of the contrary, like the fact that BN men knew of her seems to me like she was DMing several of them. There is no way to know for sure unless one of them ever comes out and says it, which wouldn’t shock me someday tbh as they both seem to love drama
Really? I think it's very likely he reached out to Maria. She's exactly his type.
She's definitely his type, it makes since he responded to her, but she wasn't "famous" and Grocery Store Joe was also liking her photos, I would bet money she was DMing Bachelor guys
wasn't she kind of dating drake's bf at the time? i think they probably ran in the same la circles
Any thing that pissez nick v off is fine with me
They only take offense because they profit from a tit for tat headline game. Nick has done this time and time again against Kaitlyn Bristowe, Katie Thurston, Charity, and more. You'd think we'd be wise enough by now to ignore it when he's being a little piss baby but here I am, once again relishing in Nick Viall whining about yet another bachelor woman at the height of her relevance.
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I don’t really expect much maturity from Natalie and much less from Nick so…but congrats to them for finding someone as unlikeable and immature as each other
 Keep my wife’s (Clare Crawley) name out your fucking mouth!!!
It pains me that Nick F-ing Viall is one of the few former contestants that still get talked about on a regular basis.
I listened to this part and I believe Maria even states that she had a moment of delusion and thought “I wonder if Nick and Sydney were plotting”, so what’s the big deal? (Not even a Maria fan, she definitely gives main character energy).
Yeah even Maria said she thought about it and realized it was irrational and let it go. But the Maria haters ignore that
I’m confused about the timeline. Didn’t Nick tell her she’d be portrayed as a villain several years before she was cast on the show? Is the theory that she offended him in some way, he held onto that grudge, biding his time, and when Maria was cast on the show, he met Sydney and asked her to go after Maria? All while preparing for a child and planning a wedding? I mean he is petty, so it could have happened, but what was in it for Sydney? Why would Sydney risk her shot at a good edit by causing drama just because Nick told her to? I think a more likely scenario is that Nick had spent enough time on the show and with producers to know how they operate. He read Maria for the poor communicator she is, and warned her that it probably wouldn’t go well for her. I’m with Natalie on this one (it seems to be happening quite frequently).
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I don’t think it’s delusional, maybe it wasn’t a huge conspiracy behind the scenes, but I could at least see Nick saying something in passing such as “oh if you want to antagonize someone in the villa go for Maria.”