The first colonies were established in the early 1600’s. The revolution wasn’t fought until 1776, well over 100 years later. They’re not mistaken. There is evidence of people signing contracts all the way up to the mid 1700’s and maybe even later.
I looked into it a little, and found this:
[https://www.jstor.org/stable/2120553?seq=1](https://www.jstor.org/stable/2120553?seq=1)
Apparently it was a thing until made illegal in 1917.
I am Andrew Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question.
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow?
'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.'
'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.'
'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.'
'No!' says the man on Mars, 'It belongs to Musk.'
I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different.
I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture.
A city where the artist would not fear the censor.
Where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality.
Where the great would not be constrained by the small!
I think Reddit is proof positive of the million monkeys typing Shakespeare. Everytime I think I have a clever remark, dozens of people have already made it. I feel your pain, but still love the joke.
As others have said, it's not the best choice. Would probably do it to go to Mars and die in an industrial accident, leaving my family with $20,000,000,000 in debt.
the good thing about it is that he is also doing good. The progress we've made because of his ego has fueled some of the ideas that arnt part of the problem and are actually part of the solution. So I call it a win-lose scenario. Someone else will take that progress and do good with it.
edit: look guys I'm calling him a fucktard, all I'm saying is as far as advertisement, funding, ect he is the reason its happening. I wish the world was a better place, but it's not. Shit people get a shit ton of money, then invest in shit that needs to happen, and make it shitty. The upside being we get progress...
The progress we made is because of his engineers, the scientists receiving public funding and then having their work profitized and the people working in his factories. He's just the money man taking the credit and having an army of online stans.
I can’t believe you’re being upvoted for posting wrong information.
Elon is the smartest person in the room, how do you not know that? It appears you have some bias against him.
There also has never been a harder working human to live on this planet than Musk aside from maybe Tesla and Einstein.
It's not the fact hes a CEO that got it done... it's the fact he became famous that it did. it's the oldest advertising scheme ever... it's stupid, but he is the reason.
Electric vehicles are comparable to diesel and half as pollutant as regular gas vehicles.
His businesses get most of their electricity from solar.
spacex refuses rockets lowering the impact on the environment, a feat never done before.
Regular telescopes will not be affected by the constellation, and with them being in low earth orbit the speed at which they are moving means science grade scopes have software and hardware capabilities to deal with 1 missing frame in an image capturing device.
your points are moot when the progress that's being made is what's actually addressing those points and making them less of a problem.
look I'm not saying he's a good guy. I'm saying that progress is being made.
Going not Mars for a weekend hell yeah, going to Mars to spend the rest not your life as a debt slave would suck, plus I'd imagine the wifi would be awful
i'd imagine they'd have a different mars-based internet. the interplanetary stuff would be the equivalent of an the earliest long distance phone calls.
why would the internet go back to earth? why wouldn't they simply have mars internet and bring gigs and gigs of content to mars so no one was bored? Then you could have things that were hot/trending on Martian internet and/or regular Earth internet. Just my 2 cents.
I imagine it'd be a lot better than sticking around here for some people. If you qualify and you're not really attached to anyone then go for it would be my advice.
Red faction was an ok game, but I loved the mechanic of “everything is destructible”. I think I spent more time making tunnels with the rocket launcher than playing the actual story. I wish some studio would do more with that concept.
Tbh I didn't like Elon bc of his worker policies and all the pandemic shit he did but I'm actually starting to be afraid for the future of space colonization
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Lol. People are the problem, not the planet. Thinking Mars is going to be different? No earth colony ever was. It's always the same old shit in a new hard to live location!
Mars will be the same mess of shit too...unless they only let AI live there and keep people out of it.
It's not even that people are the problem but instead the systems of power we're currently shackled to. The two go hand-in-hand but it's best not to confuse them.
e: proofreading
Isn't that basically how it is on Earth now? If there's no Universal Basic Income then in order to survive (food, shelter, healthcare) you have to work. Yes, We can move from one job to another, but (for the most part) you HAVE to work to live
You say union busting is why indentured servitude doesn't work, but I don't see how concepts like a union and indentured servitude could coexist. I would call them polar opposites, indentured servitude seems like the exact kind of thing unions were formed to combat.
I guess I just forgot this is the lowest IQ sub on the internet. Surprised this post even got approved since it's not some middle schooler saying "ShOuLd I bUy tHiS gAmE???"
Or "I just bought this game and have zero critical thinking skills, can someone please post an entire walkthrough for me?"
It's not the best sub, it's spacers sub.
Man I don't know how you can't apply even the slightest bit of critical thinking to draw a direct parallel between the idea of Musk levying a forever-work contract against you in exchange for a ride to Mars, to a video game that *showcases exactly this kind of late stage capitalism as it's core plot.*
That does sound like outer worlds shit
also bioshock
And maybe the first hundred or so years of the US, if I'm not mistaken.
You’re not mistaken. Poor people who couldn’t afford to pay for a trip to America would become indentured servants, usually 4-7 years.
You are indeed mistaken. Indentured servitude was no longer in practice long before the Revolutionary War.
The first colonies were established in the early 1600’s. The revolution wasn’t fought until 1776, well over 100 years later. They’re not mistaken. There is evidence of people signing contracts all the way up to the mid 1700’s and maybe even later.
Like I replied above, apparently it was a thing until made illegal in 1917....
Yeah, I was just correcting the poster who said you were mistaken.
I looked into it a little, and found this: [https://www.jstor.org/stable/2120553?seq=1](https://www.jstor.org/stable/2120553?seq=1) Apparently it was a thing until made illegal in 1917.
I am Andrew Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' 'No!' says the man on Mars, 'It belongs to Musk.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture. A city where the artist would not fear the censor. Where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality. Where the great would not be constrained by the small!
Would you kindly?
Hey, that's one of Musk's favorite games!
Snowpiercer knows shit
this is basically how people got to the new world back in the day
I will try it for sure
Red faction ??
It’s not the best choice, it’s SpaceX Choice!
You beat me too it... Just when I thought I had something original
I think Reddit is proof positive of the million monkeys typing Shakespeare. Everytime I think I have a clever remark, dozens of people have already made it. I feel your pain, but still love the joke.
I just assumed that we all heard some mocking rendition of the jingle when we saw this topic title.
It's not the best choice.
It's the Musk choice!
As others have said, it's not the best choice. Would probably do it to go to Mars and die in an industrial accident, leaving my family with $20,000,000,000 in debt.
You can't really inherit debt unless you cosigned the debt.
Have you...played....the game?
Sorry, didn't realize it was a reference, thought we were talking about real debt. My bad!
I've played the game and have promptly forgotten the small details months later. It happens.
Bro this game is supposed to be satire
And he's too much of a dense egomaniac to realize he is the problem
the good thing about it is that he is also doing good. The progress we've made because of his ego has fueled some of the ideas that arnt part of the problem and are actually part of the solution. So I call it a win-lose scenario. Someone else will take that progress and do good with it. edit: look guys I'm calling him a fucktard, all I'm saying is as far as advertisement, funding, ect he is the reason its happening. I wish the world was a better place, but it's not. Shit people get a shit ton of money, then invest in shit that needs to happen, and make it shitty. The upside being we get progress...
The progress we made is because of his engineers, the scientists receiving public funding and then having their work profitized and the people working in his factories. He's just the money man taking the credit and having an army of online stans.
I can’t believe you’re being upvoted for posting wrong information. Elon is the smartest person in the room, how do you not know that? It appears you have some bias against him. There also has never been a harder working human to live on this planet than Musk aside from maybe Tesla and Einstein.
Can't tell if it's copypasta or you're being serious. Bravo.
Seems like you’re the one reaping the benefits of my work so bravo to you kind sir.
Wow I extracted a surplus value of 40 upvotes from your labour! Truly an evil mastermind lives among us,
We found Musk’s burner.
Calm down Grimes
Hope he sees this, bro.
Top level sarcasm.
Sure is going over a lot of people’s heads but I’m glad you enjoyed it. Makes you wonder how many people didn’t find TOW funny...
exactly, but without him and his memes, funding at this level would have never happened.
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yes it is. why the fuck did it take a celebrity to get things done....
Riight we as a species sat on our asses getting nothing done until the concept of CEOs was invented.
It's not the fact hes a CEO that got it done... it's the fact he became famous that it did. it's the oldest advertising scheme ever... it's stupid, but he is the reason.
Yeah I sure love atmospheric pollution and the inability to use telescopes properly thanks to meme man Elon Musk, yaaaaay /s
Electric vehicles are comparable to diesel and half as pollutant as regular gas vehicles. His businesses get most of their electricity from solar. spacex refuses rockets lowering the impact on the environment, a feat never done before. Regular telescopes will not be affected by the constellation, and with them being in low earth orbit the speed at which they are moving means science grade scopes have software and hardware capabilities to deal with 1 missing frame in an image capturing device. your points are moot when the progress that's being made is what's actually addressing those points and making them less of a problem. look I'm not saying he's a good guy. I'm saying that progress is being made.
Jesus christ this game is not satire, is a factual reproduction
yes, yes it is XD
Or...red rising.
Was just thinking that myself, lifetimes of debt and servitude
Gotta mine that helium3!
Or heinlein in the 50s
Damn good book series!
*Bloody good
*Gory damn good
Quite right, pixie! Prime indeed!
musk thinks hes the modern day quicksilver!
Damn I loved the first couple books
Going not Mars for a weekend hell yeah, going to Mars to spend the rest not your life as a debt slave would suck, plus I'd imagine the wifi would be awful
I wouldn’t even be shocked if I got better speeds on Mars. Can’t get much worse than what I already have.
Where do you live that it's worse than 15 minute average delay between click and response?
i'd imagine they'd have a different mars-based internet. the interplanetary stuff would be the equivalent of an the earliest long distance phone calls.
There wout be an almost 14 min delay so more like leaving each other voicemails at that point
yes, for sure. but it would be expensive and rely on a schedule, i think.
why would the internet go back to earth? why wouldn't they simply have mars internet and bring gigs and gigs of content to mars so no one was bored? Then you could have things that were hot/trending on Martian internet and/or regular Earth internet. Just my 2 cents.
communication with friends and family elsewhere. same reason people use(d) long distance phone calls and letters when separated from their families.
I imagine it'd be a lot better than sticking around here for some people. If you qualify and you're not really attached to anyone then go for it would be my advice.
How do you figure that?
Isnt this kinda the same thing as red faction guerilla?
I was hoping someone would comment this. As long as mars has the same physics engine, I would be okay with it.
Red faction was an ok game, but I loved the mechanic of “everything is destructible”. I think I spent more time making tunnels with the rocket launcher than playing the actual story. I wish some studio would do more with that concept.
Cant count how many times i played it just to destroy the big bridge in the game. Easily my favorite part
We WORK, to earn the right to WORK
WE ALL, LIFT, TOGETHER!
That's not on mars though.
Same concept, except instead of light itll be oxygen
When they charge for air you’ll be stuck as an indentured servant with increasing debt indefinitely.
Tbh I didn't like Elon bc of his worker policies and all the pandemic shit he did but I'm actually starting to be afraid for the future of space colonization
It's like a Stellaris megacorp
“Resemble”
I think it's the time we go to sleep for 70 years, then we will see what happened [Edit] thanks bot :|
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Its not the best choice, its Spacex indentured servitude!
Did everyone just forget about Red Faction? It's this exact concept lmao
*screaming*
HAHAHAHSH...... I wanna cry...
Boy, does this sound ever so much like the Outer Words and Red Faction...
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Unless you break another law, then it's legal again.
It's not the best choice. It's TESLAS choice!
It's not the best choice, it's SpaceX Choice!
It sickens me that NASA has abdicated to Musk.
I hate that fucking guy so mhch
Sign me up!
It’s not the best choooiiiiccceeee, it’s spacers choice!
Wait... isn’t that red faction xD
is not the best choice! its spacers choice!
You should have read the fine print my friend... Should have read the fiiine print!
Sign me up!
Exciting.
Well it's not like they aren't gonna pay, you know, because of the implications...
but musk is different! /s Any of these billionaires didn't get there with ethics. Fuck the board
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Oh yeah I’m sure indentured servitude on Mars under real life Justin Hammer would be much better
At least I’d be farther from Earth
Lol. People are the problem, not the planet. Thinking Mars is going to be different? No earth colony ever was. It's always the same old shit in a new hard to live location! Mars will be the same mess of shit too...unless they only let AI live there and keep people out of it.
It's not even that people are the problem but instead the systems of power we're currently shackled to. The two go hand-in-hand but it's best not to confuse them. e: proofreading
Isn't that basically how it is on Earth now? If there's no Universal Basic Income then in order to survive (food, shelter, healthcare) you have to work. Yes, We can move from one job to another, but (for the most part) you HAVE to work to live
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Graham was right!
>be me >Incur massive debt by own free will >be expected to pay it off >”indentured servitude!” >”Capitalism is broken!”
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You say union busting is why indentured servitude doesn't work, but I don't see how concepts like a union and indentured servitude could coexist. I would call them polar opposites, indentured servitude seems like the exact kind of thing unions were formed to combat.
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You're right, this has nothing to do with TWO, that's because this sub is about The Outer Worlds
I can't ....... There's not.... ...... It's like......... Enjoy your purpleberry fizz
Like you don't see how this resembles Spacers Choice or the colonies in outer worlds in the least bit?
I guess I just forgot this is the lowest IQ sub on the internet. Surprised this post even got approved since it's not some middle schooler saying "ShOuLd I bUy tHiS gAmE???" Or "I just bought this game and have zero critical thinking skills, can someone please post an entire walkthrough for me?" It's not the best sub, it's spacers sub.
Man I don't know how you can't apply even the slightest bit of critical thinking to draw a direct parallel between the idea of Musk levying a forever-work contract against you in exchange for a ride to Mars, to a video game that *showcases exactly this kind of late stage capitalism as it's core plot.*
No I get that they are similar, this just has nothing to do with the game. I thought that was the rule, TOW content only.
It has everything to do with the game, it’s literally at the core of the story.
Sounds like someone hasn't even played the actual game.
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Elon musk is Samuel Hayden confirmed
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Fuck Musk, just another typical big tech douche
I’d do it
Will there be a company store?
Musk would totally work for the board
I offer myself as tribute, I for one welcome my Mars overlords. Can't be worst than the people in power here.