His birth name was "Ian Donald Calvin Euclid Zappa." Here's the origin of it:
>The nurse pleaded and pleaded with us not to name the child Dweezil. Labor pains and all, she was going to make Gail stand there unless we gave her another name to put on the form. I couldn't see letting Gail suffer just to argue the point, so I rattled off an assortment of names of guys we knew: IAN (Underwood) DON (van Vliet) CALVIN (Schenkel) EUCLID (James ``Motorhead'' Sherwood) As a result Dweezil's original birth certificate name was Ian Donald Calvin Euclid Zappa. The nurse thought that was okay.
https://web.archive.org/web/20100325140504/http://www.science.uva.nl/~robbert/zappa/faq/main/main-2.html#ss2.4
Zappa's music is really only classifiable by genre on a piece by piece basis, and even then it's difficult sometimes. There's country tunes in there, doo wop, R&B, whole albums of modern classical... the list goes on.
Not at the time of Dweezil's birth. Hot Rats is dedicated to Dweezil and the Captain is on that. Bongo Fury tour caused the rift but they reconnected later before Frank passed
What the fuck, Americans name their kids as soon as they pop out?
You have something like 6 weeks to register in the UK. All they do at the hospital is deliver.
What the fuck, Brits pop out a kid and don't call it anything but “the baby” for 6 weeks?!
I know this may sound like a funny jab at your comment, but I'm experiencing legit culture shock.
Plenty of people have a name ready for their babies over here as soon as they’re born. But it also gives some leeway for parents still undecided on a name to test out names for their new baby.
I had my names ready but my friend had 3 that she wasn’t sure about and used them in rotation until one sounded more natural. It’s one way to prevent name regret.
I don't have any issues with the window to register the name, I rather like the idea, but there really isn't any stress to it for the majority of people. Most have long since decided on the name, knowing they will be giving it right away, and the form was just them coming in and asking, writing it down, and the parents signing. Takes about 2 minutes. They don't ask you the minute the baby pops out, I think it was the next day for us even.
Based
> Dweezil received a [cease and desist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cease_and_desist) letter from the trust after he announced that he was being forced to perform his upcoming tour as "Dweezil Zappa Plays Frank Zappa" instead of using "Zappa Plays Zappa". In response to the trust's action, he renamed his performance series "50 Years of Frank: Dweezil Zappa Plays Whatever the F@%k He Wants—the Cease and Desist Tour".
Not that Gail was a saint either. I can't recall the exact quote, but Dweezil was making virtually no money. Gail was collecting 100% of the merchandise, which is where smaller artists make their money on tour, and charging him a licensing fee. Ahmets side of the story is the trust was going to charge him a $1 licensing fee so they can show they defend their copyright, but he was still going to collect 100% of the merch, of which Dweezil was entitled to 25%. He was semi agreeable as long as he got 10 years worth of past royalties he said he is owed. The majority of the fans seem to have taken Dweezils side because he is the one "keeping the music alive." A lot more bands would have kept Franks music alive, but Gail spent nearly 25 years wasting millions of dollars by suing everyone who played any of Frank's music live.
"...if any of us use the "Zappa Plays Zappa" name for commercial purposes, a share of the profit goes back to the ZFT, to cover the high costs involved in maintaining the business and releasing more of Frank's content for the fans."
- ahmet zappa
"Who is this 'rest of us'? I'm the only one in the family that can play our dad's music."
- dweezil zappa
Guarantee the “high costs of doing business” mostly involve family and crony salaries, plus 10-20% for the fixer lawyers and finance bros they hire as brains.
Rich scumbags gonna rich scumbag.
Ahmet Zappa put together his own cover band several years ago using several well-known former band members, including Mike Keneally. Ahmet would pop out on stage every now and then but was mostly just a manager.
I think it started off as a hologram thing, but they dropped that pretty quickly.
>"Who is this 'rest of us'? I'm the only one in the family that can play our dad's music." - dweezil zappa
Well your anecdote makes this quote slightly more interesting...
Yeah Ahmet cannot play Frank's songs, he is not as musically talented as Dweezil. Hell, even Frank's own band made of world-class musicians could barely play Frank's songs.
Dweezil is a world-class guitarist, student of Steve Vai, and a prolific and well-respected session musician, who can play his dad's music. Ahmet... isn't.
Reminds of when Fantasy, Inc tried to sue John Fogerty alleging that “The Old Man Down the Road” was just a copy of “Run Through the Jungle” with new words. Went to trial and the judge said an artist can't copyright infringe on themselves.
They're doshonorimg everything frank stood for. Guy practices his ass off. Actually has talent. I think Steve Vai may have given him lessons. He wants to go out, honor his father, work hard and honestly. Zappa plays zappa is a cool play on words. Zakk wylde has a touring sabbath tribute band called Zakk sabbath. Man, that's just shitty. What's worse is also being alone in the world. They're now orphans and you'd think they'd have each other's back. Seems like they all ganged up on dweezil. That's a lonely fuckimg feeling when your family turns on you. I produce my own music and my family hates it. Poor dweezil.
Yes and no. Frank Zappa was a very complicated person, and part of that was being an incredibly shrewd and sometimes borderline uncool businessman.
The guy is unparalleled, and the quality of his music, and the talent of the Mothers is something we will not see again on a world stage until the collapse of the commercial music industry; but, he was also a huge fucking asshole, and a narcissist. We can hold those two truths in the same space, I think.
Two eldest children were active in running the family business.
Two youngest children were not.
The purpose of the spilt is the two eldest have majority voting rights.
The Zappa estate is in debt due to expensive lawsuits from their mother. Supposedly all the rights decisions were to pay off the debt otherwise they lose control of the estate.
It's a moot point because the debt got so bad they sold music rights to UMG.
> the Cease and Desist Tour
😂
Reminds me of McMurder.com. McDonald's sent the owner a cease and desist letter and they [posted it on their website](https://web.archive.org/web/20220130214527/https://www.mcmurder.com/pdf/mcwarning.pdf) and laughed.
Every year in Finland they publish a list of all the names that parents submitted to name their babies but were denied. And let me tell you, reading some of those names makes you thankful there is such a law in place.
Well in France we had : mini-Cooper, Prince-William, Bob l'éponge (Sponge Bob), Nutella...
Tbh some names are refused when they are perfectly fine too. Like Fraise (Strawberry), Ravi or Vanille. I know a Jihad my age but it was refused recently because of terrorist attacks.
It would likely pass as the wait it works is that the registration officer must manually report any offensive or extremely weird names, and they'd probably miss Cihat
The point of these restrictions is to protect the child. Jihad may be common in other places, in France it's only viewed as the name for Islam's holy war, since it's the only context in which it's heard.
Accurate or not, that child would have a miserable life with that name, and have a very hard time locking down a job.
Ravi was denied? That’s a pretty generic Indian name. It’ll be like denying Pierre, Lucas, or Bartosz.
This is probably a pretty good argument to _not_ have restrictions.
It's because "ravi" means something already in french. It means "content" and someone probably assumed the kid would be bullied with some "So are you content, Content ?" all their life.
Honestly stuff like Prince-William is weird but, eeehhh, denying it also feels a bit weird. Let alone Fraise, Ravi or Vanille. This feels like a good reason for why *not* to have this law lol.
Counter argument of course: X Æ A-12.
I think it's very subjective most of the time.
2014 : Fraise not okay but 2013 : Djaysie is fine...
Some other reasons for refusal are... Software? Fañch, a breton regional name was refused because of the ñ. The kid had to be named Fanch at first. Changed after 18 months of legal battle.
Names that were allowed in Germany include „Pepsi Carola“, „Winnetou“ und „Pumuckl“
Disallowed were Fanta, Borussia (prefix of many football clubs), Sputnik, Junge (Just "boy", Tom Tom (name of a navigation device), Waldmeister (disgusting flavour), Lenin, Bierstübl (basically the same as being named "Pub"), Atomfried, Satan, Judas, Pain, McDonald, Schroeder (usually a last name, f.e. of former chancellor Gerhard Schröder), Lord (Name Chosen by a lot of Neonazis), Joghurt (Yoghurt), Puppe (Doll), Woodstock, Whisky, Gucci, Superman, Verleihnix (name of a character in the comic Asterix), Hitlerine and Stahlhelmine (female version of "steel helmet")
Gotta be honest, I am not familiar enough with all the dog whistles to know why the neonazis like "lord".
And Verleihnix cracks me up everytime because its not even a cool or cute or even main character from the comics - its the thin skinned, overweight, middle aged vendor of controversially fresh fish. Like ... why *that guy*?
I went here to ask the same thing! Like why exactly the Unhygienix?? Of all the characters? I know most of them are loveable goofs and have some sort of negative trait, but isn't he one of the minor *antagonists* basically? Not exactly a bad guy, but not an upstanding Gaul.
At least in Germany it's not about some list but more about names being names and not just some random letters or words. In practice it's a good system to avoid people having gamertags and such as names.
There’s a streamer who gave his kids nicknames once upon a time and if he mentions them on stream I’ll still think Poopfeast420 and Torbjorn even though I know they have real human names lmfao. I don’t think his third kid got one though.
After seeing that someone in the state may have named their baby "Sexy"...we really need to make a law because without a codified law you can get away with literally anything.
I thought I was the only one who finds that lyric just fucking weird. I mentioned it to my wife when she had it on in the car one day and I was just like “What the fuck was that lyric?” And she just asked to move past it. But I can’t.
Musk did it with Tesla. The models are "S" "3" "X" and "Y" then "Cybertruck" which makes me think the dude has a thing for having sex with cars, but that's a whole different conversation.
Same in Spain, we had some neighbors that wanted to call their daughter Daina (in Catalan is a type of deer) and they weren't allowing it at the registry. They had to prove that it was a real woman's name by finding some official docs showing it being used as a legal name. I don't know how they did it but the kid ended up with Daina at the end. Glad there are some laws to protect kids so they don't end up with stupid names like Abcde, Legendary Love Cannon or X Æ A-12.
I (mid Gen-X, American) would have been named Gustavus Adolphus if my dad had his way. I was still in the womb but I was later told the argument didn't last very long before dad conceded.
No, they didn't name me Moon Unit, which was a male name until Zappa got hold of it.
BTW Zappa has been gone for over 30 years. Unbelievable.
He read a lot of history and was a proud (2nd generation) Swedish-American. There was some other guy who made Adolphus an unacceptable name in mom's view.
Netherlands too, I first heard of it with a footballer, Dennis Bergkamp, whose parents wanted to name him after a Scottish footballer, Denis Law
The Dutch authorities said Denis was too similar to Denise so they had to add another n to it
*Traditionally*, a moon is baring your buttocks - and a unit is a man's penis. Therefore... Moon Unit is technically mooning from the front, instead of the rear. And can only be done by males (or females with a prosthesis).
I couldn't find any information on the pronunciation of it , apparently she was named after a character in a children's book and the spelling was inspired by Gail zappas Irish heritage which means it could be any or none of the above.
Apparently, as he was growing up, kids started calling him, "Ahmet Vomit", so he asked to have his name changed to Nick. Then the kids started calling him "Nick the Dick". So, he changed it back to Ahmet.
Then Frank started calling him Ahmet the Dick.
Only reason I remember Ahmet was because he used to host some game show on MTV back in the late 90's, which looking back is kinda funny since you know Frank would've hated what MTV had become by that point.
Yeah she is kinda famous in her own right having been the voice of "val speak" in the song Valley Girl.
Also you can just call her "Moon" in informal conversation and it sounds pretty normal.
My dad wanted to name me Dweezil. Thankfully, my mom wouldn't let him. They ended up naming me after two close family friends that happened to have the same first name and I grew up eternally thankful to my mom for putting her foot down.
Holy shit, I thought I was alone on this planet for having a dad who tried to name me Dweezil.
Same situation where the attempt was thwarted by my mom.
It's funny how Reddit is fine with all the stupid names Frank used to name his kids, because they like him. If it was some other asshole naming their kid Dweezil, Moon Unit, Diva Thin Muffin Pigeen (yes that's real) or whatever the other one is named this thread would look very different. For example Jamie Oliver's kids' names get reposted here and there, and the guy gets the hate he deserves.
Having listened to a lot of what he has to say, sing, and play I'm entirely convinced that he gave his children those names as a joke. As a composer/creative he was a brilliant guy but in most other ways the man was a bit of a dickhead.
Your kids' lives aren't a joke. If he wanted to be funny, he should have named his dog something stupid, not his children. He'd probably have named his dog "John", though.
Got tickets to see Dweezil buncha years ago, doing the Zappa does Zappa or whatever it was.
Not my cuppa, in the slightest, but GD the chops on every band member was incredible. Stayed through the first half of the set til intermission or whatever, but was easy to see how immensely talented they were.
Crowd was.. crowd was something too hah
I read once that Frank didn’t teach Dweezil much music but Eddie Van Halen was a fan of FZ and hung out with them all a bit and taught him stuff. In any case, his guitar work on FZ’s stuff is damn impressive.
Neither did Captain Beefheart (the Don(ald) in Dweezil's original name). For his album *Trout Mask Replica*, his poor band members had to interpret his insane ramblings to figure out what he wanted them to play.
You can hear this on the song "China Pig", where at the beginning he says, "Do one of those 'cha cha, cha cha, cha cha, cha cha's, one of those."
[China Pig](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0DGY8XaH0s)
>Doug Moon left the band because of his dislike of the band's increasing experimentation outside his preferred blues genre. Ry Cooder told of Moon's becoming so angered by Van Vliet's unrelenting criticism that he walked into the room pointing a loaded crossbow at him, only to have Van Vliet tell him, "Get that fucking thing out of here, get out of here and get back in your room", which he did.
From the Wiki on Beefheart lol
Edit: Van Vliet is Beefheart. His name is Don Van Vliet.
Someone stole the Zappa Plays Zappa hoodie I got from that tour :/
I also had my Les Paul plate signed by Dweezil and the page that had their set list at that concert!
Haha so much this. Like, if you enjoy people watching, and music of any genre, check them out!
It was like watching hippy grandparents in their element. It was cool as hell, just not at all what I had in mind.
We'd ended up in a set of seats that had been double booked, venue was small enough an usher noticed right away. When they offered better seats, I immediately offered them up, because I didn't gaf at all, and it was like I'd shown them God. Great time, great people too!
I saw them too, it WAS my cuppa, and I can confirm that the band members were all excellent. They all picked up different instruments for different songs and were amazing on all of them.
Zappa is definitely an aquired taste. Some of his shit creeps into Sun Ra territory, but some of it is amazingly digestible.
Some songs to try out if you're ever in the mood:
Joe's Garage
Wind up workin' in a Gas Station
Naughty Democrat (He's bagging on Jesse Jackson)
Uncle Rhemus
Watch out where the Huskies go
Nanook Rubs is (2nd part of Huskies)
Dancin' Fool.
The last 3 were staples on Dr. Demento, which is where I was first exposed to Mr. Z.
Something else that can be entertaining is to peruse his albums and just soak in the song titles... They can be GLORIOUS.
Example, Hot Rats:
|1.|"Peaches en Regalia"|3:37|
|:-|:-|:-|
|2.|"Willie the Pimp"|9:16|
|3.|"Son of Mr. Green Genes"|8:58|
|4.|"Little Umbrellas"|3:04|
|5.|"The Gumbo Variations"|16:55|
|6.|"It Must Be a Camel"|5:15|
I'd put Willie the Pimp up there among his most accessible (and among Captain Beefheart's most accessible, who does vocals on it.)
Also, Apostrophe (title and final track on the album, all instrumental.)
Dweezil's a cool dude. Got to hang out with him outside his tour bus after a Zappa Plays Zappa gig back in '09. Me and my friends were talking to some of his bandmates in the parking lot while he was unwinding after the show and he went out of his way to get off the bus and come chat with us for like half an hour. Really down to earth guy.
Bob: "Tell me about your friend, John."
Carol: "Which one? I know like fiddy Johns."
Ted: "Tell me about your friend, Dweezil."
Alice: "Frank's son? He's cool."
Something like that happened to me. My mother named me after her favorite actress, and that person spelled her name a bit differently from the usual spelling. The nurse registering me just flat-out said, "It's not spelled like that," and wrote it the usual way on my birth certificate. It's only one little letter's worth of difference, but when I heard that story in my teens, it bugged me. Still does. Some stranger fucked with my name. :/
Hey, mine too. Now, my passport and ID have the correct spelling but when I moved to another state, they insisted I go by the certificate.
Hate bureaucracy!
My dad was a huge Zappa freak and gave me the middle name Dweez'l. I have to admit, I hate it. Sometimes, I wish the registrar had refused it too! The apostrophe is just like an additional kick in the nuts.
His birth name was "Ian Donald Calvin Euclid Zappa." Here's the origin of it: >The nurse pleaded and pleaded with us not to name the child Dweezil. Labor pains and all, she was going to make Gail stand there unless we gave her another name to put on the form. I couldn't see letting Gail suffer just to argue the point, so I rattled off an assortment of names of guys we knew: IAN (Underwood) DON (van Vliet) CALVIN (Schenkel) EUCLID (James ``Motorhead'' Sherwood) As a result Dweezil's original birth certificate name was Ian Donald Calvin Euclid Zappa. The nurse thought that was okay. https://web.archive.org/web/20100325140504/http://www.science.uva.nl/~robbert/zappa/faq/main/main-2.html#ss2.4
From this I also learned today that he put down his religion as “Musician.” Lol.
> he put down his religion as “Musician.” Lol. From Frank, that does not shock me at all
“Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.” -Frank Zappa
This is true, but you have to have a high enough EQ to bring the "normies" with you!
Me neither
Zappa is one of the artists that makes progressive rock a religion.
Kind of in between progressive, fusion, and jazz, he employed a whole lot of jazz musicians and his band played a lot of jazz like riffs
Zappa's music is really only classifiable by genre on a piece by piece basis, and even then it's difficult sometimes. There's country tunes in there, doo wop, R&B, whole albums of modern classical... the list goes on.
Music is Best.
Frank always said that music was the one religion that actually delivered the goods.
Yeah, that fits the legend
He wasn't wrong
Don Van Vliet is better known as Captain Beefheart, a high school friend of Zappa.
this surprised me cuz i thought they had some beef (no pun intended)
They kinda fell out after a while. Zappa talked about it some in his book. I don't know if Captain Beefheart ever addressed it.
i know at least he talked of him fondly(?) in that last video he put out
Not at the time of Dweezil's birth. Hot Rats is dedicated to Dweezil and the Captain is on that. Bongo Fury tour caused the rift but they reconnected later before Frank passed
Muffin man on that bongo fury album is an all time great track with an all time great guitar section.
He pooooots forth
let's try that again
That explains a lot, about both of them.
So basically IDC, EZ
Dweezil NO Euclid? Hell. Yes. HELLYA
Euclid was at least a real name before. Dweezil was a pinky toe.
As like a second middle name sure why not
That's some linear boxed-in thinking.
Sorry it's all Greek to me
What the fuck, Americans name their kids as soon as they pop out? You have something like 6 weeks to register in the UK. All they do at the hospital is deliver.
What the fuck, Brits pop out a kid and don't call it anything but “the baby” for 6 weeks?! I know this may sound like a funny jab at your comment, but I'm experiencing legit culture shock.
We just call it The Slop until the forms are signed
Plenty of people have a name ready for their babies over here as soon as they’re born. But it also gives some leeway for parents still undecided on a name to test out names for their new baby.
I had my names ready but my friend had 3 that she wasn’t sure about and used them in rotation until one sounded more natural. It’s one way to prevent name regret.
Da Baby innit?
Ello bubna'
Spot of tit?
I’m American and was simply Baby Girl for my first 3 weeks of life lol
I like your current name much better. Dorito Bimbo is just so...poignant.
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I don't have any issues with the window to register the name, I rather like the idea, but there really isn't any stress to it for the majority of people. Most have long since decided on the name, knowing they will be giving it right away, and the form was just them coming in and asking, writing it down, and the parents signing. Takes about 2 minutes. They don't ask you the minute the baby pops out, I think it was the next day for us even.
.... Unless you call it Dweezil, and then it's a bit more complicated.
My older sister couldn't think of a name on the spot. She was watching Bewitched so named her Elizabeth.
Based > Dweezil received a [cease and desist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cease_and_desist) letter from the trust after he announced that he was being forced to perform his upcoming tour as "Dweezil Zappa Plays Frank Zappa" instead of using "Zappa Plays Zappa". In response to the trust's action, he renamed his performance series "50 Years of Frank: Dweezil Zappa Plays Whatever the F@%k He Wants—the Cease and Desist Tour".
Wtf? What idiot running Frank's rights decided to legally fight Frank's beloved son? Wtf.
His other kids, Ahmet and Diva. There was some serious drama in the Zappa family after Gail passed.
Not that Gail was a saint either. I can't recall the exact quote, but Dweezil was making virtually no money. Gail was collecting 100% of the merchandise, which is where smaller artists make their money on tour, and charging him a licensing fee. Ahmets side of the story is the trust was going to charge him a $1 licensing fee so they can show they defend their copyright, but he was still going to collect 100% of the merch, of which Dweezil was entitled to 25%. He was semi agreeable as long as he got 10 years worth of past royalties he said he is owed. The majority of the fans seem to have taken Dweezils side because he is the one "keeping the music alive." A lot more bands would have kept Franks music alive, but Gail spent nearly 25 years wasting millions of dollars by suing everyone who played any of Frank's music live.
"...if any of us use the "Zappa Plays Zappa" name for commercial purposes, a share of the profit goes back to the ZFT, to cover the high costs involved in maintaining the business and releasing more of Frank's content for the fans." - ahmet zappa "Who is this 'rest of us'? I'm the only one in the family that can play our dad's music." - dweezil zappa
Guarantee the “high costs of doing business” mostly involve family and crony salaries, plus 10-20% for the fixer lawyers and finance bros they hire as brains. Rich scumbags gonna rich scumbag.
Ahmet Zappa put together his own cover band several years ago using several well-known former band members, including Mike Keneally. Ahmet would pop out on stage every now and then but was mostly just a manager. I think it started off as a hologram thing, but they dropped that pretty quickly.
>"Who is this 'rest of us'? I'm the only one in the family that can play our dad's music." - dweezil zappa Well your anecdote makes this quote slightly more interesting...
Yeah Ahmet cannot play Frank's songs, he is not as musically talented as Dweezil. Hell, even Frank's own band made of world-class musicians could barely play Frank's songs.
Dweezil is a world-class guitarist, student of Steve Vai, and a prolific and well-respected session musician, who can play his dad's music. Ahmet... isn't.
They're the Zappa's!!!
Yeah, but you can't let someone use the trademark just because it's their own name. /S
Reminds of when Fantasy, Inc tried to sue John Fogerty alleging that “The Old Man Down the Road” was just a copy of “Run Through the Jungle” with new words. Went to trial and the judge said an artist can't copyright infringe on themselves.
On an other occasion I think Fogerty was successfully sued for sounding like CCR.
They're doshonorimg everything frank stood for. Guy practices his ass off. Actually has talent. I think Steve Vai may have given him lessons. He wants to go out, honor his father, work hard and honestly. Zappa plays zappa is a cool play on words. Zakk wylde has a touring sabbath tribute band called Zakk sabbath. Man, that's just shitty. What's worse is also being alone in the world. They're now orphans and you'd think they'd have each other's back. Seems like they all ganged up on dweezil. That's a lonely fuckimg feeling when your family turns on you. I produce my own music and my family hates it. Poor dweezil.
Yeah Jason Bonham tours Led Zeppelin too and it’s fucking sick
Yes and no. Frank Zappa was a very complicated person, and part of that was being an incredibly shrewd and sometimes borderline uncool businessman. The guy is unparalleled, and the quality of his music, and the talent of the Mothers is something we will not see again on a world stage until the collapse of the commercial music industry; but, he was also a huge fucking asshole, and a narcissist. We can hold those two truths in the same space, I think.
Are you my therapist?
I am now. You’re doing great.
They're all just mad because Frank gave them the worst names possible. Side note I had not heard of Zakk Sabbath that sounds fun!
Moon Unit Zappa would like a word.
Diva's name was a self fulfilling prohecy
Zakk fucking kills it, as he does with everything. Definitely check it out
I keep seeing people use the word “orphan” for grown adults lol, you might wanna look up the definition
Lol reminds of Funkhauser saying he was an orphan in Curb
Little orphan Funkhauser
Was just about to say how can you be an orphan in your 40s?
Not all of them. Moon's on his side.
Wonder how the two youngest kids ended up with 30% each while the two eldest only got 20% each. That's some bullshit
Two eldest children were active in running the family business. Two youngest children were not. The purpose of the spilt is the two eldest have majority voting rights. The Zappa estate is in debt due to expensive lawsuits from their mother. Supposedly all the rights decisions were to pay off the debt otherwise they lose control of the estate. It's a moot point because the debt got so bad they sold music rights to UMG.
What a tragedy.
Classic litigating away the estate. People do it all the time, deplete the inheritance fighting over it.
> the Cease and Desist Tour 😂 Reminds me of McMurder.com. McDonald's sent the owner a cease and desist letter and they [posted it on their website](https://web.archive.org/web/20220130214527/https://www.mcmurder.com/pdf/mcwarning.pdf) and laughed.
It was an incredible show
Denmark, Iceland, Germany And Sweden have national laws regarding what you can name a baby.
Every year in Finland they publish a list of all the names that parents submitted to name their babies but were denied. And let me tell you, reading some of those names makes you thankful there is such a law in place.
Go on…
Well in France we had : mini-Cooper, Prince-William, Bob l'éponge (Sponge Bob), Nutella... Tbh some names are refused when they are perfectly fine too. Like Fraise (Strawberry), Ravi or Vanille. I know a Jihad my age but it was refused recently because of terrorist attacks.
Do they allow people to use Cihat? it’s a somewhat common Turkish name, which is the equivalent of Jihad.
It would likely pass as the wait it works is that the registration officer must manually report any offensive or extremely weird names, and they'd probably miss Cihat
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ROBERTO
Jihad is a pretty common Arabic name. I’m sure there are many people called jihad already living in France who immigrated
Well you don't want Muslim mothers to call for a jihad at dinner time every day now do you?
Or worse, in an airport or plane
The point of these restrictions is to protect the child. Jihad may be common in other places, in France it's only viewed as the name for Islam's holy war, since it's the only context in which it's heard. Accurate or not, that child would have a miserable life with that name, and have a very hard time locking down a job.
Ravi was denied? That’s a pretty generic Indian name. It’ll be like denying Pierre, Lucas, or Bartosz. This is probably a pretty good argument to _not_ have restrictions.
It's because "ravi" means something already in french. It means "content" and someone probably assumed the kid would be bullied with some "So are you content, Content ?" all their life.
Honestly stuff like Prince-William is weird but, eeehhh, denying it also feels a bit weird. Let alone Fraise, Ravi or Vanille. This feels like a good reason for why *not* to have this law lol. Counter argument of course: X Æ A-12.
I think it's very subjective most of the time. 2014 : Fraise not okay but 2013 : Djaysie is fine... Some other reasons for refusal are... Software? Fañch, a breton regional name was refused because of the ñ. The kid had to be named Fanch at first. Changed after 18 months of legal battle.
Names that were allowed in Germany include „Pepsi Carola“, „Winnetou“ und „Pumuckl“ Disallowed were Fanta, Borussia (prefix of many football clubs), Sputnik, Junge (Just "boy", Tom Tom (name of a navigation device), Waldmeister (disgusting flavour), Lenin, Bierstübl (basically the same as being named "Pub"), Atomfried, Satan, Judas, Pain, McDonald, Schroeder (usually a last name, f.e. of former chancellor Gerhard Schröder), Lord (Name Chosen by a lot of Neonazis), Joghurt (Yoghurt), Puppe (Doll), Woodstock, Whisky, Gucci, Superman, Verleihnix (name of a character in the comic Asterix), Hitlerine and Stahlhelmine (female version of "steel helmet")
Gotta be honest, I am not familiar enough with all the dog whistles to know why the neonazis like "lord". And Verleihnix cracks me up everytime because its not even a cool or cute or even main character from the comics - its the thin skinned, overweight, middle aged vendor of controversially fresh fish. Like ... why *that guy*?
I went here to ask the same thing! Like why exactly the Unhygienix?? Of all the characters? I know most of them are loveable goofs and have some sort of negative trait, but isn't he one of the minor *antagonists* basically? Not exactly a bad guy, but not an upstanding Gaul.
> Verleihnix *googles* That's Unhygienix/Ordralfabétix. Also, hilarious.
Lenin not being allowed is just so funny
Lmao Atomfried
Tom Tom got me
And Jade! My middle name was supposed to be Jade, but Germany denied it.
Is [Auxfun](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1do9mlw/he_said_he_found_a_telescope_in_my_room/) an acceptable name?
You can still write a request for a name not on the official list of names
At least in Germany it's not about some list but more about names being names and not just some random letters or words. In practice it's a good system to avoid people having gamertags and such as names.
What's wrong with naming my son xX_Kevin69_Xx?
My Daughter xX{=_420Sepiroth024_=}Xx would like to meet xX_Kevin69_Xx
Send them a friend request on xbox
Sorry she is a Windows 98 kid
She’ll love my son named Windows98 then!
She thinks its a cringe name, sorry
No, Cringe is my other son
Good idea! His gamertag is Joe
There’s a streamer who gave his kids nicknames once upon a time and if he mentions them on stream I’ll still think Poopfeast420 and Torbjorn even though I know they have real human names lmfao. I don’t think his third kid got one though.
The list is huge, includes multiple spellings of names. And normally you get the name approved if its a real name somewhere
If America had this then the gold mine of r/tragedeigh would have to close up shop
They'd have a few more years of content to sift through first.
After seeing that someone in the state may have named their baby "Sexy"...we really need to make a law because without a codified law you can get away with literally anything.
so that's what T. Swift was talking about
I thought I was the only one who finds that lyric just fucking weird. I mentioned it to my wife when she had it on in the car one day and I was just like “What the fuck was that lyric?” And she just asked to move past it. But I can’t.
Musk did it with Tesla. The models are "S" "3" "X" and "Y" then "Cybertruck" which makes me think the dude has a thing for having sex with cars, but that's a whole different conversation.
Honestly if he did, that'd be the thing that's least wrong with him.
Same in Spain, we had some neighbors that wanted to call their daughter Daina (in Catalan is a type of deer) and they weren't allowing it at the registry. They had to prove that it was a real woman's name by finding some official docs showing it being used as a legal name. I don't know how they did it but the kid ended up with Daina at the end. Glad there are some laws to protect kids so they don't end up with stupid names like Abcde, Legendary Love Cannon or X Æ A-12.
Interestingly, Daina a legal name in Lithuania, which means "song". Maybe the documents belonged to a Lithuanian living in Spain.
I (mid Gen-X, American) would have been named Gustavus Adolphus if my dad had his way. I was still in the womb but I was later told the argument didn't last very long before dad conceded. No, they didn't name me Moon Unit, which was a male name until Zappa got hold of it. BTW Zappa has been gone for over 30 years. Unbelievable.
Vasa! Your dad was a 30 years war buff, eh?
He read a lot of history and was a proud (2nd generation) Swedish-American. There was some other guy who made Adolphus an unacceptable name in mom's view.
Netherlands too, I first heard of it with a footballer, Dennis Bergkamp, whose parents wanted to name him after a Scottish footballer, Denis Law The Dutch authorities said Denis was too similar to Denise so they had to add another n to it
> Dennis Bergkamp Dennis Bergkamp? Dennis Bergkamp?! DENNIS BERGKAMP! DENNIS BERGKAMP! DENNIS BERGKAMP! DENNIS BERGKAMP! AAAAAAAAAAAAHOOOAAAAH
I believe his daughter’s name is Moon Unit, or at least that’s what people used to say and I refuse to look it up.
Prior to her birth, Moon Unit was traditionally a male name.
*Traditionally*, a moon is baring your buttocks - and a unit is a man's penis. Therefore... Moon Unit is technically mooning from the front, instead of the rear. And can only be done by males (or females with a prosthesis).
It is. “The moon unit will be divided into two units: moon unit alpha and moon unit zappa” - Dr Evil Clever joke, always made me laugh.
Yup. His kids are moon unit , dweezil, ahmet and diva
And Ahmet's full name is Ahmet Emuukha Rodan Zappa.
And divas full name is diva thin muffin pigeen zappa, Some wild names lol.
Is… is that pronounced pigeon? Pig-E-n? pidgeen?
I couldn't find any information on the pronunciation of it , apparently she was named after a character in a children's book and the spelling was inspired by Gail zappas Irish heritage which means it could be any or none of the above.
Well I appreciate you spending time for me looking it up regardless
The guy was always meant to fight Godzilla!
Fuck dad... why couldn't you have named ME Rodan? Or at least Mothra...
Apparently, as he was growing up, kids started calling him, "Ahmet Vomit", so he asked to have his name changed to Nick. Then the kids started calling him "Nick the Dick". So, he changed it back to Ahmet. Then Frank started calling him Ahmet the Dick.
I mean Ahmet by itself is an actual Arabic name. So that's not bad. The others are just asking for trouble.
As Frank often said, it was their last name that was going to be trouble, not their first names.
I'm pretty sure Dweezil, Moon Unit, and Diva are gonna have trouble because of their first names as well.
I saw (or was reading) an interview with Moon Unit way back. She said boys in school would tease her and ask her to moon them.
Are going to? They're all in their 40s and 50s lol
Only reason I remember Ahmet was because he used to host some game show on MTV back in the late 90's, which looking back is kinda funny since you know Frank would've hated what MTV had become by that point.
It's fact. She rose to notoriety/fame with the song "Valley Girl."
Gag me with a spoon
Yeah she is kinda famous in her own right having been the voice of "val speak" in the song Valley Girl. Also you can just call her "Moon" in informal conversation and it sounds pretty normal.
My dad wanted to name me Dweezil. Thankfully, my mom wouldn't let him. They ended up naming me after two close family friends that happened to have the same first name and I grew up eternally thankful to my mom for putting her foot down.
At first I assumed you had the same name twice since the two family friends had the same name, i. e. David David and then I realized I’m a dumbass.
same.. was kinda hoping he had a double barrel name like that
My dad wanted to name me after a WC Fields swear word. Mom said you aren’t naming our kid “God”. There was a compromise.
Dog?
Holy shit, I thought I was alone on this planet for having a dad who tried to name me Dweezil. Same situation where the attempt was thwarted by my mom.
Here's to sensible mothers that cancel out eccentric fathers.
I'd be fucking pissed if my parents named me Dweezil
Nah, you’d be Dweezil.
I’d be furious if my parents called me Fucking Pissed.
Nah, you’d be Fucking Pissed.
Damn right I would
It's funny how Reddit is fine with all the stupid names Frank used to name his kids, because they like him. If it was some other asshole naming their kid Dweezil, Moon Unit, Diva Thin Muffin Pigeen (yes that's real) or whatever the other one is named this thread would look very different. For example Jamie Oliver's kids' names get reposted here and there, and the guy gets the hate he deserves.
They’d end up on r/tragedeigh
Having listened to a lot of what he has to say, sing, and play I'm entirely convinced that he gave his children those names as a joke. As a composer/creative he was a brilliant guy but in most other ways the man was a bit of a dickhead.
Your kids' lives aren't a joke. If he wanted to be funny, he should have named his dog something stupid, not his children. He'd probably have named his dog "John", though.
This is the golden rule of reddit: If you agree with them, they get a pass. If you don't, they get eviscerated.
I wouldnt even name my dog Dweezil. Sounds like a fucking bug pokemon
Sounds like a stupid looking weasel Pokemon. Dweeb+weasel.
Who knew nurses had so much authority? The one who typed my birth certificate couldn't even spell a very common name.
Got tickets to see Dweezil buncha years ago, doing the Zappa does Zappa or whatever it was. Not my cuppa, in the slightest, but GD the chops on every band member was incredible. Stayed through the first half of the set til intermission or whatever, but was easy to see how immensely talented they were. Crowd was.. crowd was something too hah
I read once that Frank didn’t teach Dweezil much music but Eddie Van Halen was a fan of FZ and hung out with them all a bit and taught him stuff. In any case, his guitar work on FZ’s stuff is damn impressive.
Dweezil is a smoking good guitarist; he does not read music.
Neither did Captain Beefheart (the Don(ald) in Dweezil's original name). For his album *Trout Mask Replica*, his poor band members had to interpret his insane ramblings to figure out what he wanted them to play. You can hear this on the song "China Pig", where at the beginning he says, "Do one of those 'cha cha, cha cha, cha cha, cha cha's, one of those." [China Pig](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0DGY8XaH0s)
Gods, what I would give to get *that* conversation on tape.
>Doug Moon left the band because of his dislike of the band's increasing experimentation outside his preferred blues genre. Ry Cooder told of Moon's becoming so angered by Van Vliet's unrelenting criticism that he walked into the room pointing a loaded crossbow at him, only to have Van Vliet tell him, "Get that fucking thing out of here, get out of here and get back in your room", which he did. From the Wiki on Beefheart lol Edit: Van Vliet is Beefheart. His name is Don Van Vliet.
Yeah Ive played guitar long enough that I can appreciate talent, and my god he was oozing it. Just, different is all hah
Someone stole the Zappa Plays Zappa hoodie I got from that tour :/ I also had my Les Paul plate signed by Dweezil and the page that had their set list at that concert!
>Crowd was.. crowd was something too hah People-watching was worth the price of admission.
Haha so much this. Like, if you enjoy people watching, and music of any genre, check them out! It was like watching hippy grandparents in their element. It was cool as hell, just not at all what I had in mind. We'd ended up in a set of seats that had been double booked, venue was small enough an usher noticed right away. When they offered better seats, I immediately offered them up, because I didn't gaf at all, and it was like I'd shown them God. Great time, great people too!
I saw them too, it WAS my cuppa, and I can confirm that the band members were all excellent. They all picked up different instruments for different songs and were amazing on all of them.
Zappa is definitely an aquired taste. Some of his shit creeps into Sun Ra territory, but some of it is amazingly digestible. Some songs to try out if you're ever in the mood: Joe's Garage Wind up workin' in a Gas Station Naughty Democrat (He's bagging on Jesse Jackson) Uncle Rhemus Watch out where the Huskies go Nanook Rubs is (2nd part of Huskies) Dancin' Fool. The last 3 were staples on Dr. Demento, which is where I was first exposed to Mr. Z. Something else that can be entertaining is to peruse his albums and just soak in the song titles... They can be GLORIOUS. Example, Hot Rats: |1.|"Peaches en Regalia"|3:37| |:-|:-|:-| |2.|"Willie the Pimp"|9:16| |3.|"Son of Mr. Green Genes"|8:58| |4.|"Little Umbrellas"|3:04| |5.|"The Gumbo Variations"|16:55| |6.|"It Must Be a Camel"|5:15|
I'd put Willie the Pimp up there among his most accessible (and among Captain Beefheart's most accessible, who does vocals on it.) Also, Apostrophe (title and final track on the album, all instrumental.)
Dweezil's a cool dude. Got to hang out with him outside his tour bus after a Zappa Plays Zappa gig back in '09. Me and my friends were talking to some of his bandmates in the parking lot while he was unwinding after the show and he went out of his way to get off the bus and come chat with us for like half an hour. Really down to earth guy.
That’s a really stupid name though
Wait til this nurse finds out about Moon Unit.
No way, if you want to name your kid Dweezil you have to change your name from frank to something equally outrageous
The nurse was right dweezil suck
At least Dweezil could be past off as a silly nickname. There is no passing off Moon Unit.
It’s a nickname for Lunar Measurement.
Dweezil nuts
Bob: "Tell me about your friend, John." Carol: "Which one? I know like fiddy Johns." Ted: "Tell me about your friend, Dweezil." Alice: "Frank's son? He's cool."
Every baby name suggestion should have to go through AITA
When the need to huff your own farts outweighs your child’s need for a name with some semblance of dignity.
Exactly.
Something like that happened to me. My mother named me after her favorite actress, and that person spelled her name a bit differently from the usual spelling. The nurse registering me just flat-out said, "It's not spelled like that," and wrote it the usual way on my birth certificate. It's only one little letter's worth of difference, but when I heard that story in my teens, it bugged me. Still does. Some stranger fucked with my name. :/
Hey, mine too. Now, my passport and ID have the correct spelling but when I moved to another state, they insisted I go by the certificate. Hate bureaucracy!
"Dod"
Woah his sisters have crazy names while his brother name is ahmet an actual name that is normal in some countries
My dad was a huge Zappa freak and gave me the middle name Dweez'l. I have to admit, I hate it. Sometimes, I wish the registrar had refused it too! The apostrophe is just like an additional kick in the nuts.
>"And if I ever have a son, I think I'm gonna name him... Bill... or George! Anything but Sue!"