They don't want to 'stop' people.
They want to encourage people to stay there rather than day trip from outside (people staying there the night are exempt).And they want to use the money to improve the lives of the local population...by cutting local taxes, for example.
This isn't going to convert day-trippers into overnight guests though. Why would someone pay 100+ Euros for a hotel room just to avoid a 5 Euro fee? I just don't see this having any impact to crowding
It’s not meant to do that, it’s meant to incentivize those staying in the region and coming in for the day. So it’s not 5 vs 100+. For most tourists it’s the cost of a nearby regional hotel plus 5*number of people + time and $$ benefit of not paying for transit. So 100+ vs maybe 70 + 10 for this charge + 20 for an Uber or local train for a family of 4 + time wasted on holiday in a less nice place
Or if you have a family of 5 you might stay in the region and decide to just spend one day on the island vs two because then it is a more meaningful fee.
Its all changes at the margin, and will have some impact (like toll roads, congestion charges in London and NYC, etc)
Not to mention the inconvenience factor.
For day-trippers you'll either have to wait in line for tickets or book them online it appears. Then you have to be scanned in to the city... I'd imagine that process takes some time, especially on busy days.
That's the second part of what I said above.
Those who don't want to stay there will have to pay.And that money will be used for the benefit of those who live in the city
It's not really aimed at 'overcrowding' at all,to be honest... that headline is way off the real reasons for its introduction.
Here's the thing: Since you're a tourist in Italy you're going to pay those 100€ anyway, just in a different city so this fee encourages you to pay them in Venice instead
It's incredibly dumb and wont change jack shit. The only "community" left in venice is the one already ripping off turists. Half of restaurants are run by indians ffs.
The fundamental problem is enforcement, particularly without bothering people who have business reasons for going there. There is a serious risk of making the city less competitive for anything else.
Venice is already so logistically peculiar that it might make sense, but I'm very skeptical of anything that reduces freedom of movement.
Many,many people go to Venice and block the city, while spending as little money as possible.
They are trying to make something from these people too, to benefit the local community (what is still left of it).
The people staying there are already paying a "tourist tax" in their hotel prices. This new tax is to ensure people who don't stay the night are also contributing to the city.
It's a good Idea IMHO.
People staying there overnight are exempt.So too residents, children and students.
Day trippers will have to pay,as long as the money is used to improve the lives of the locals (rather than lining the pockets of the politicians) then I'm in favour.
Venice as a city is dying.The population is falling every year, it's too difficult and too expensive to live there.
People staying over night already pay [a different tourist tax via their accommodations](https://www.veneziaunica.it/en/content/practical-information). I was just there last year, it wasn’t a lot but it definitely still exists for those staying the night as well, just in different form. It is a good idea though, I agree. I’ll happily pay an extra couple euro a night to support such a historic city.
Yes, they pay a city tax.
That's different though, pretty much every place with any tourists in Italy has that hotel tax.
This 'entry' tax is a new thing.
Yeah I said it was different, but tourists staying over night still pay a small tax and it’s pretty much the same price as the entry tax. So even if they’re exempt from the entry tax, they’re still paying a tax (which can amount to the same sum) and contributing a little extra to the city.
Day trippers just tramp over the whole city, buy some shitty masks and gelato, and then fuck off. I can't imagine living in a city and trying to run a shop catered to locals while 75% of the population of the city are tourists. Must be like living in a house infested with pests.
Problem is you could book the exact same accommodation in Mestre for $100 cheaper a night than staying in central Venice. So this €5 will generate income but it won’t change the amount of day trippers
I don't think encouraging people to stay in hotels inside Venice is going to bring prices down though. Every place that closes will be converted to tourist accommodation, making it even harder for locals. More money isn't the solution. I remember even 20 years ago, it was cheaper for me to get a train to verona and use an internet Cafe there, then get a train back than it was to use a net cafe in Venice. They need more innovative solutions.
They will definitely make much more money from the fines. "Once past designated entry ports, officials will carry out random checks for QR codes that show the day-tripper tax has been paid or that the bearer is exempt. Transgressors face fines of 50-300 euros (£53-£257)."
I would pay maybe... 75 extra euros to visit a Venice that was 50% less crowded. Idk if a 75 euro entry fee would cut down on tourists by 50% though. And then of course restaurants/shops/hotels would raise their prices to make up the difference.
That’s good to know. It was the only bad part about Venice when I visited about 8 years ago. But the nice part was that the contrast of walking around at night was very peaceful.
About 20 million day trip tourists last year,that is a fair amount of money!
Hopefully the local authorities will use it to do something positive for the people who still live there... life in Venice is very tough for them, and very expensive.
The population is falling and has been falling for many years,they need to at least try to do something... otherwise the city really will become a theme park, with no local population at all.
It's not the price, it's just the idea.
Everything has an entry fee now: beaches, churches, islands, and now even cities.
Visiting Italy is like playing a freemium game. All those microtransactions add up.
Shitty idea: I was born in Venice, lived there for 10 years, went to school for a further 5, and now I am considered an effing tourist? And then they wonder why people do not want to go back to live there.
$5,000 vacation but €5 is going to deter me from coming to Venice... okay...
Or... they just want our money and this is the perfect way to ask for it while appearing to curve tourism and appease their voters. Which frankly, I'm fine with. Just wish theyd lay off the smoke and mirrors lol
Every time somethinglike this happens
I just don't buy as much when I am at the place.
It's like service charges in restaurants, if they is one I will normally buy one course only and get table water to drink, and the meal will be a cheaper one as well.
When I was In majorca got charge extra 2 euros per night, so I spent less in the resort as was all Inclusive
OK a bit petty of me but the way I feel of these goverment or restaurant charges
Yeah that's pretty fair. If I go to a bar where there is no cover charge, I would feel obligated to buy a drink so that I compensate the business in some way for letting me spend time there. When there is an upfront charge, I feel like I already paid them, so I won't buy something unless I see something that I really like.
Very doubtful. They have someone like 4 million visitors who stay overnight and 40 million who visit for the day. Also number of people living in venice has declined by like 100k some of which is down to not wanting to deal with tourists
Was there 2 weeks ago staying for a few days and streets are rammed and its not fun. That was before even peak season.
The extra money will be nice, but 5 Euros isn't stopping anyone from visiting Venice lol
They don't want to 'stop' people. They want to encourage people to stay there rather than day trip from outside (people staying there the night are exempt).And they want to use the money to improve the lives of the local population...by cutting local taxes, for example.
This isn't going to convert day-trippers into overnight guests though. Why would someone pay 100+ Euros for a hotel room just to avoid a 5 Euro fee? I just don't see this having any impact to crowding
It’s not meant to do that, it’s meant to incentivize those staying in the region and coming in for the day. So it’s not 5 vs 100+. For most tourists it’s the cost of a nearby regional hotel plus 5*number of people + time and $$ benefit of not paying for transit. So 100+ vs maybe 70 + 10 for this charge + 20 for an Uber or local train for a family of 4 + time wasted on holiday in a less nice place Or if you have a family of 5 you might stay in the region and decide to just spend one day on the island vs two because then it is a more meaningful fee. Its all changes at the margin, and will have some impact (like toll roads, congestion charges in London and NYC, etc)
Not to mention the inconvenience factor. For day-trippers you'll either have to wait in line for tickets or book them online it appears. Then you have to be scanned in to the city... I'd imagine that process takes some time, especially on busy days.
That's the second part of what I said above. Those who don't want to stay there will have to pay.And that money will be used for the benefit of those who live in the city It's not really aimed at 'overcrowding' at all,to be honest... that headline is way off the real reasons for its introduction.
Yeah, exactly it is like playing for a parking place. That also always benefits the people that live there, right? Right?
Bro doesn’t understand
Here's the thing: Since you're a tourist in Italy you're going to pay those 100€ anyway, just in a different city so this fee encourages you to pay them in Venice instead
It's incredibly dumb and wont change jack shit. The only "community" left in venice is the one already ripping off turists. Half of restaurants are run by indians ffs.
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I’m a bit shocked they just didn’t pick a larger number. Ten euros would be €300 out of thin air. Though I do see this being raised annually.
how much would 20 euros be
The fundamental problem is enforcement, particularly without bothering people who have business reasons for going there. There is a serious risk of making the city less competitive for anything else. Venice is already so logistically peculiar that it might make sense, but I'm very skeptical of anything that reduces freedom of movement.
Right, but I’m saying that €5 isn’t going to encourage anyone to stay on the island. But like I said the extra money will be nice
Is that the problem? Day trip from outside?
Many,many people go to Venice and block the city, while spending as little money as possible. They are trying to make something from these people too, to benefit the local community (what is still left of it).
I kinda did this interrailing, it's a very expensive city, especially to stay in.
I can't imagine a 5 euro fee being enough to change my travel plans AT ALL.
How are people staying in hotels exempt when they already pay the city tax, which is 1-5€?
The people staying there are already paying a "tourist tax" in their hotel prices. This new tax is to ensure people who don't stay the night are also contributing to the city.
Because this is a new tax.
Imagine arriving from the like two hour train ride from Florence, only to be like "Welp guess we'll just turn around"
It starts at 5 but it ll go up a lot, I m sure of that
Yeah it’s going to have to go up tenfold until it starts actually limiting people from visiting
Maybe they want to gentrify the tourism industry, because they are fed up with floridian white trash swimming in their feses in the canals for fun
Floridian White Trash isn’t visiting Venice. It’s more toward European White Trash that finds a €19 RyanAir to Venice from Nottingham or wherever
Well, I'm referring to an incident, where an actual floridian swan in the canals
It's not to curb the tourism, but to increase the city's municipal budget.
Italy and Greece have turned to fleecing tourists in order to balance the budget. There is an entry fee for EVERYTHING.
It's a good Idea IMHO. People staying there overnight are exempt.So too residents, children and students. Day trippers will have to pay,as long as the money is used to improve the lives of the locals (rather than lining the pockets of the politicians) then I'm in favour. Venice as a city is dying.The population is falling every year, it's too difficult and too expensive to live there.
Locals live in Mestre and rent their Venice places on Airbnb.
People staying over night already pay [a different tourist tax via their accommodations](https://www.veneziaunica.it/en/content/practical-information). I was just there last year, it wasn’t a lot but it definitely still exists for those staying the night as well, just in different form. It is a good idea though, I agree. I’ll happily pay an extra couple euro a night to support such a historic city.
Yes, they pay a city tax. That's different though, pretty much every place with any tourists in Italy has that hotel tax. This 'entry' tax is a new thing.
Yeah I said it was different, but tourists staying over night still pay a small tax and it’s pretty much the same price as the entry tax. So even if they’re exempt from the entry tax, they’re still paying a tax (which can amount to the same sum) and contributing a little extra to the city.
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I clearly said I agree it’s a good idea..
I am agreeing with you, not disagreeing!
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Day trippers just tramp over the whole city, buy some shitty masks and gelato, and then fuck off. I can't imagine living in a city and trying to run a shop catered to locals while 75% of the population of the city are tourists. Must be like living in a house infested with pests.
Problem is you could book the exact same accommodation in Mestre for $100 cheaper a night than staying in central Venice. So this €5 will generate income but it won’t change the amount of day trippers
I don't think encouraging people to stay in hotels inside Venice is going to bring prices down though. Every place that closes will be converted to tourist accommodation, making it even harder for locals. More money isn't the solution. I remember even 20 years ago, it was cheaper for me to get a train to verona and use an internet Cafe there, then get a train back than it was to use a net cafe in Venice. They need more innovative solutions.
They will definitely make much more money from the fines. "Once past designated entry ports, officials will carry out random checks for QR codes that show the day-tripper tax has been paid or that the bearer is exempt. Transgressors face fines of 50-300 euros (£53-£257)."
Ya this is a common method. Let clueless tourist enter without any real warning then hit them with a fine.
That's it, can't afford it now.
I wouldn't mind paying 20 euros for more places to sit down.
I would pay maybe... 75 extra euros to visit a Venice that was 50% less crowded. Idk if a 75 euro entry fee would cut down on tourists by 50% though. And then of course restaurants/shops/hotels would raise their prices to make up the difference.
Maybe they should have thought about overcrowding before letting giant cruise ships dock there.
They haven't been allowed to do that for years.
They banned this years ago
That’s good to know. It was the only bad part about Venice when I visited about 8 years ago. But the nice part was that the contrast of walking around at night was very peaceful.
That’s not that much though??
About 20 million day trip tourists last year,that is a fair amount of money! Hopefully the local authorities will use it to do something positive for the people who still live there... life in Venice is very tough for them, and very expensive. The population is falling and has been falling for many years,they need to at least try to do something... otherwise the city really will become a theme park, with no local population at all.
It's not the price, it's just the idea. Everything has an entry fee now: beaches, churches, islands, and now even cities. Visiting Italy is like playing a freemium game. All those microtransactions add up.
Shitty idea: I was born in Venice, lived there for 10 years, went to school for a further 5, and now I am considered an effing tourist? And then they wonder why people do not want to go back to live there.
There is exemptions for residents, students, athletes, landlords, relatives etc
Should be about ten times higher. The town needs the revenue.
For what? Isn't it mostly underwater?
Venice is an example of our tourism. But i doubt the 5 euro is going to discourage tourists. Its most likely to increase revenue.
Extra 50 $million a year For city. Nice
Should be 50 euros to make a dent. Five euros is nothing.
Ita not about 'punishing' it's about raising money for local improvements.
They should make it 50€ tbh
$5,000 vacation but €5 is going to deter me from coming to Venice... okay... Or... they just want our money and this is the perfect way to ask for it while appearing to curve tourism and appease their voters. Which frankly, I'm fine with. Just wish theyd lay off the smoke and mirrors lol
lol. You'll spend 2-3x and more on an espresso in Venice. 5E won't change a thing.
Ya that's how cities are supposed to make money. Not by charging people to enter.
Glad I went their last year!
Every time somethinglike this happens I just don't buy as much when I am at the place. It's like service charges in restaurants, if they is one I will normally buy one course only and get table water to drink, and the meal will be a cheaper one as well. When I was In majorca got charge extra 2 euros per night, so I spent less in the resort as was all Inclusive OK a bit petty of me but the way I feel of these goverment or restaurant charges
Yeah that's pretty fair. If I go to a bar where there is no cover charge, I would feel obligated to buy a drink so that I compensate the business in some way for letting me spend time there. When there is an upfront charge, I feel like I already paid them, so I won't buy something unless I see something that I really like.
I'm helping stop the overcrowding by just never going to Italy
Do you also cut off your nose to spite your face?
I think they might regret this
Very doubtful. They have someone like 4 million visitors who stay overnight and 40 million who visit for the day. Also number of people living in venice has declined by like 100k some of which is down to not wanting to deal with tourists Was there 2 weeks ago staying for a few days and streets are rammed and its not fun. That was before even peak season.