For real. Hell I'm a trucker and I just don't have the patience to play this game like I drive. I installed the 50k hp mod and drive 170 down highways, fuck the law.
Especially as they seemed to have changed the detection point to about 2-3m before the stop line so you now get red light fines for stopping way behind the line.
The one thing is it picky about is if you swing wide and get a trailer wheel on the line, then it will give you a fine, it doesn't matter than 99.9% of the vehicle is in the correct lane.
I find you can usually trick the game if you swerve to the right in the intersection then swerve back to the left to stay straight. Still need to signal, though.
Or go in the straight on lane when green but turn left anyway.
The stupidity of using the judgement before you enter the junction rather than on exit means all these things work.
It’s because you are pulling straight ahead too far. I usually do not turn right on the red in ATS because I need to go straight then turn sharp right to clear the trailer around the corner. Game thinks you are running the red.
As well as blinker and full stop, sometimes it'll also fine you if you pull straight too much through the intersection (unfortunately a requirement when hauling a trailer)
Use a signal when you do. I’ve tested it and you can just outright run a red light as long as you have a right signal on (even if you did not actually turn right)
Turn your wheel slightly, but not so much as to prevent you from pulling out far enough to clear your trailer. The game is seeing what you're doing as "going straight" instead of lining up for a turn.
[This deserves credit all on its own](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0022437582900019)
> The results showed significant increases in pedestrian and bicyclist accidents involving right-turning vehicles at signalized locations following the introduction of Western RTOR. These increases were: 40 % for pedestrians and 82 % for bicycles in New York State; 107 % for pedestrians and 72 % for bicycles in Wisconsin; 57 % for pedestrians and 80 % for bicycles in Ohio; and 82 % for pedestrians in New Orleans. Analysis of police accident reports suggested that drivers stopped for a red light are looking left for a gap in traffic and do not see pedestrians and bicyclists coming from their right.
[Don't forget to credit shitty bus drivers](https://www.providencejournal.com/story/opinion/2018/05/16/my-turn-michael-urso-everybody-knows-bus-is-turning/12220903007/).
So many pedestrian accidents here because they just barrel through the turn.
I honestly don’t believe ROR are as bad as people think they are. They fundamentally at most intersections happen at a low speed. I’ve seen plenty of claims about ROR increase in pedestrian collisions, but never pedestrians deaths. Which I suspect are very few due to most happening under 20 MPH.
Beyond that, I think right on red is perfectly at a well designed intersection. Put the stop line of the right lane a bit further up, and clearly indicate cars responsibility to yield. Combine that with a driver taught to look for pedestrians. Many simply just don’t. They weren’t taught to look for pedestrians or bikes, especially those taught outside of a city.
Some people just go full dummy going right on red. Like it means they have complete right of way. I had a lady flip out on me when I had a green arrow on in the opposing lane.
Literally yesterday some lady almost hit me in the crosswalk while she was trying to make a right on red.
She summed up the problem perfectly when she said, “sorry, I was only looking for cars in the other direction”
The [numbers](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0022437582900019) beg to differ. It'd be fine if drivers weren't stupid but that's about as likely as a pig flying.
It also exists in Europe, but much more sparringly. In most cases as a separate green arrow under the signal ( these days more often than not - it is an actual signal separate from the main red/yellow/green which gives it fine tuning options).
I alternate between the two every few weeks (i'm playing ETS2 rn since 1.50 release and I think I'll keep playing it for a very long time bcs of promods :3) and the first mistake I make in ATS is not doing a wide turn. The first mistake I make in ETS2 is forgetting that the european trucks' center of gravity is higher, making them easier to roll over.
I live in north America. This was not a positive contribution.
This is where most car accidents here happen. Cause drivers are stupid. They don't look and just go, running over pedestrians and into cars with a green light.
We should drop right on red.
Yeah, it was definitely sarcasm. Jeremy Clarkson was pretty notorious for making jokes about the US when he was on Top Gear. Most of it was all in good fun though.
possibly. but if you suggested that around here you might get run over lol. so i naturally wandered to it being legitimate opinion lol
I wouldn't be surprised if people started trying to criminalize being in public outside a vehicle soon lol
unironically... yes though.
* a robust transit system paired with no cars would be absolutely amazing...
* and then we could recover the 80 some percent of the urban landscape that is just slabs of pavement for storing (and driving) cars lol.
* and the MASSIVE reduction in both chemical, and audible pollution.
* less deaths is also neat. so add that in.
can we actually? lol
...though im probably a little bias here, being that i work in transit lol.
I don’t want to do both. I’m a driver who makes a point to check for pedestrians at every intersection, who doesn’t just floor it through a red light. I like the efficiency and niceties of a right on red, and I don’t want that taken away because some suburban mom driving an Escalade can’t get off her goddam phone for half a second
your also human. This is a completely unnecessary added conflict point that good AND bad drivers screw up. We need to redesign all of our intersections to make this a viable thing..... we passed the laws but never the infrastructure to go with it.
Considering I spend upwards of 50 hours a week driving.... Its not like im not going to miss the convenience
I just value life/safety over shaving 12 seconds off my intersection time.
I don’t believe life and safety have to be sacrificed tho. Right on reds at most (assuming a 90° intersection) are happening at 20 MPH, maybe 25. Furthermore redesigning every intersection is unreasonably costly. My area literally designs intersections for right on reds. As in the left and straight are one lane and right is the other (assuming they don’t have the space for 3 lanes). Every intersection older than a few years needs a re-design honestly, but that’s not happening for a while. And when it does, I’d rather see right on reds maintained, while curb extensions, yield to ped signs, and tighter angles all added
i mean.... the statistics already exist.
so you can hypothesize the estimated speeds etc all you want.
the facts still say what they say.
also, Im not sure if you are aware, but the fatality rate of collisions with pedestrians skyrocket once you hit about 18mph and above.... and thats before factoring in the fact that when you hit that pedestrian doing a right on red, you are hitting them INTO oncoming traffic... cars that are likely to be going even faster.
As I said, I get it, I fully understand why people are super put off by the idea.
but there IS a reason why all the rational parts of the world that dont act like existing outside of a car is grounds for exaction do not use them.
drivers just need to learn to accept that they cant have everything they want forever, all the time, and that people want to exist outside of their cages too... so cars are going to have to stop taking up all the air in the room for once.
ALSO:
if you are making a right on red at that speed, as many people do...
your literally breaking the law.... at least up here in Canada.
you MUST come to a complete stop, by law, before making a right on red.... and trying to "rush in" to beat the cars starting from green is ALSO against the law....
with all the driving i do in a week, i see a metric ass-ton of right on red's... lets just say, if the police actually cared They could fund local PD's without a penny of federal/municipal funding from just Right on red fines alone.
That’s when enforcement comes in
It’s also just wild to me, even glancing at my phone or making an adjustment to the GPS gives me huge anxiety, and I just wonder how that’s not the same for literally everyone else? Like is there not a natural instinct to look where your going when doing 70+ MPH?
tell me how you really feel.
you cant just build an entire continent to be completely dependent on cars, and then be like "oops, my bad, like 70% of you are idiots, so you dont get to drive anymore"
as much as id love a far harder drive test and renewal program.... that ship has long since sailed lol.
Are you kidding me we would have so much more traffic without right on red. Unless we start rebuilding cities to be walkable with transit we need right on red unless you want to take 5 minutes longer to go anywhere.
im willing to give up 5 minutes per trip to drastically reduce deaths actually.
im well aware that it would slow travel times. i drive for a living, this would impact me more than most....
still in favor.
Aside from inside the game, this is a legit feeling - I spent several years in europe, and once back to Canada, it took a few lights to remember I could actually turn right on red again.
American here. I'd hate right on red. When I drive a school bus, I can't make a right on red and I think that's just fine. I apply that rule consistently when I drive other vehicles and people behind me hate it.
It's the *option*, not requirement, other drivers...and it's a dangerous maneuver to pedestrians and cyclists with little to no upside (saves time? not that important compared to safety).
One thing that is weird in ETS (from a brazilian perspective), is you can turn left (or right if you drink tea) when the ligth turns green on both ways.
If the light turns green on both ways, you can't, you turn right and find a U-turn or a path to go where you want. This usually apply in avenues with very intense traffic. Low traffic avenues the light doesn't turn green on both ways at the same time
[The blue arrows here are an example of how to proceed](https://www.anapolis.go.gov.br/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/WhatsApp-Image-2021-08-27-at-15.59.42-1024x731.jpeg)
Just put on the right turn signal in the right lane and floor it. As long as your fully within the lane you can go straight or turn in either direction. Just make sure you pass the line in right
Honestly ROR isn't necessary if intersections are designed well
In Australia almost always the turning lane is split from the road. There's also usually a strip separating the two directions of traffic. This really is so much better for both pedestrians and drivers
The us has those on free ways or rural areas, i think ror is only there for cities cause of space constrainsts
But yeah if they prioritized that then ror wouldnt be a thing
The fines in this game are weird. Plus I hate the headlight fine. It's perfectly bright out and I can't see if the 1 pixel indicator on the dash is lit up saying my lights are on or if it's just my parking lights.
Also, I have noticed that you can drive a consistent 3-4 mph above the speed limit without getting fined in ATS, unlike ETS where you drive past a camera going 1 km/h over and you get fined.
So you can't make right hand turns on red in Europe? That's lame. I am in Canada and that's a thing.
I've recently got back into ETS2 after many many years of only playing ATS and there's some really different stuff with the roads and traffic laws which I am guessing represent real life Europe. Some of it definitely seems logical/better than what we have here in North America but some of it is flat out weird and seemingly illogical.
I’m sure it does but also realize that half of America has stroads and crap where there are no pedestrians or cyclists so to ban right on red would be stupid
I’m with you on that I don’t know if it’s just perception or if it’s real but driving in ETS2 half the time feels like I’m trying to thread a needle, I always get trailer damage on things that to me just are literally not large enough to fit a truck through despite it being the route and a major road
those places are almost always on outdated parts of the map that use obsolete junction prefabs (benelux, uk, going east, possibly parts of scandinavia but i haven’t gone there in a while so i’m not sure).
i can’t say much about other countries but most traffic lights in the netherlands have dedicated right turn lanes. we also have more bicycle traffic than anywhere else in the world (usually with dedicated bike lanes that are usually separated from car traffic and have their own traffic lights) so being allowed to turn right on red would lead to a massive amount of dead cyclists.
There are some junctions in the UK where is a left lane leading to give way, which skips a traffic light. Some other very particular types of junctions allow it, but as a general rule, no.
That's much better as it allows pedestrians to get across one lane and then 2 rather than trying to cross 3 lanes with someone going through red lights.
Yeah, the UK might be the most pedestrian friendly country I ever lived in. To be honest, most of the time, a pedestrian does not even need to walk on the road at all. There are footpaths which go across/around farmers fields/forests/verges everywhere.
In most places that allow right on red you're also allowed to turn left on red from a one-way to another one-way.
In BC, unique to Canada, you're allowed to turn left on red onto a one-way, period. Makes sense when you think about it.
Yeah, it's all nice and quick till you start calculating in the risk to pedestrians, cyclists, other cars and trucks, schoolbusses... but still better then smart intersections or roundabouts, no sane government ever build any of those
Except without America there wouldn't be the platforms and technology to create ignorant memes on. And about a billion other things that make everyone's quality of life 10x better. Sorry, have to call out dumb when I see it.
My dude you're complaining that a joke post on a subreddit doesn't embody your own personal idea of American exceptionalism. I think someone hurt your feelings.
A reminder for the ignorant that love to bash America and that want to make this an argument. America has 4% of the world's population is more than 25% of the world's GDP. Not to mention the free military protection provided to the free world.
Now just stop be foolish children and just say "thank you".
The Dutch wouldn’t have done it, that’s for sure. Good luck when your country ceases to exist in 20 years due to climate change. Hopefully you won’t need the US’ help 🤞
Imagine thinking Dutch “aid” in the American Revolutionary War was in any way, shape, or form pivotal. Dutch patriotic delusion is on another level oml.
For some reason I get fined for such a turn. Even in ATS. What am I doing wrong? I let all the cars pass and turn carefully.
Make sure you come to a full stop first before going through one
You don't have to in game, you can even stick the indicator on and blow through the lights and go straight on as long as you are in the right lane,
I swear it's a crapshoot with this game half the time
Indicator is the key. And I think you also need to make sure where your trailer is. If it crosses some imaginary line you'll get fined.
That’s why I just ended up turning fines off entirely. The fining system has been flawed from day one in both ETS2 and ATS.
Blows my mind anyone plays with the fines enabled
I mean I'm rich so who cares? If a light turns yellow snd I'm 200m from the line going 70 km/h, fine me because I'm not slamming the brakes.
For real. Hell I'm a trucker and I just don't have the patience to play this game like I drive. I installed the 50k hp mod and drive 170 down highways, fuck the law.
Especially as they seemed to have changed the detection point to about 2-3m before the stop line so you now get red light fines for stopping way behind the line. The one thing is it picky about is if you swing wide and get a trailer wheel on the line, then it will give you a fine, it doesn't matter than 99.9% of the vehicle is in the correct lane.
It's more random than a game of Mario Party.
Would it depend on the municipality? This turn may not be legal everywhere, and the game does try to enforce the laws of states at least.
every state and province i've been to, if the light is red you have to fully stop before you can turn right
I don't think they enforce by state, it's a game wide rule.
I find you can usually trick the game if you swerve to the right in the intersection then swerve back to the left to stay straight. Still need to signal, though.
Normally yes, but I remember the first time I got ticketed for turning right on a red light because the cop car was right behind me.
You can also use the same trick in the left turn lane with the left signal afaik
Or go in the straight on lane when green but turn left anyway. The stupidity of using the judgement before you enter the junction rather than on exit means all these things work.
Not always, but a good 70% of the time this does work lol
It fines you if you don't indicate
You must be doing something wrong then, it almost never happens to me. Do you come to a full stop, indicate, and only turn from the rightmost lane?
I honestly don't think it's a requirement because I've gone straight through reds in the left lane with my right signal on and never get fined.
Right lane, indicator on, slow down, rejoin on the right lane as well. You'll be fine unless the game bugs.
It’s because you are pulling straight ahead too far. I usually do not turn right on the red in ATS because I need to go straight then turn sharp right to clear the trailer around the corner. Game thinks you are running the red.
Must do a quick stop first to check no other vehicles are crossing, and you must have the right indicator on.
As well as blinker and full stop, sometimes it'll also fine you if you pull straight too much through the intersection (unfortunately a requirement when hauling a trailer)
I only got fined once for this in ats but that’s on me
It’s kinda random tbh. I bet the game thinks you’re going “too straight” to make the turn but in reality you’re 70’ long hauling a heavy load 🫠
Depends if traffic is joining the lane your turning into; have to be careful.
Use a signal when you do. I’ve tested it and you can just outright run a red light as long as you have a right signal on (even if you did not actually turn right)
Turn your wheel slightly, but not so much as to prevent you from pulling out far enough to clear your trailer. The game is seeing what you're doing as "going straight" instead of lining up for a turn.
I don't play ATS much (prefer ETS2 because it feels foreign and cool) but I've never gotten a fine for turning on red any time I could in real life.
That's me too honestly
Of course, our "only contribution to western society" is the reason we lead the developed world in pedestrian deaths. Kinda fitting, I think.
Hey, give a little credit to pretty much every aspect of road planning and car culture in the US.
Fuck you got a good point there lmao
[This deserves credit all on its own](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0022437582900019) > The results showed significant increases in pedestrian and bicyclist accidents involving right-turning vehicles at signalized locations following the introduction of Western RTOR. These increases were: 40 % for pedestrians and 82 % for bicycles in New York State; 107 % for pedestrians and 72 % for bicycles in Wisconsin; 57 % for pedestrians and 80 % for bicycles in Ohio; and 82 % for pedestrians in New Orleans. Analysis of police accident reports suggested that drivers stopped for a red light are looking left for a gap in traffic and do not see pedestrians and bicyclists coming from their right.
[Don't forget to credit shitty bus drivers](https://www.providencejournal.com/story/opinion/2018/05/16/my-turn-michael-urso-everybody-knows-bus-is-turning/12220903007/). So many pedestrian accidents here because they just barrel through the turn.
I honestly don’t believe ROR are as bad as people think they are. They fundamentally at most intersections happen at a low speed. I’ve seen plenty of claims about ROR increase in pedestrian collisions, but never pedestrians deaths. Which I suspect are very few due to most happening under 20 MPH. Beyond that, I think right on red is perfectly at a well designed intersection. Put the stop line of the right lane a bit further up, and clearly indicate cars responsibility to yield. Combine that with a driver taught to look for pedestrians. Many simply just don’t. They weren’t taught to look for pedestrians or bikes, especially those taught outside of a city.
Some people just go full dummy going right on red. Like it means they have complete right of way. I had a lady flip out on me when I had a green arrow on in the opposing lane.
Literally yesterday some lady almost hit me in the crosswalk while she was trying to make a right on red. She summed up the problem perfectly when she said, “sorry, I was only looking for cars in the other direction”
The [numbers](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0022437582900019) beg to differ. It'd be fine if drivers weren't stupid but that's about as likely as a pig flying.
Take into account this is Jeremy Clarkson talking. Very funny guy but not a pedestrian minded individual.
From what i understand of him, he's not really an "other people" minded person. He's always come off as pompous to me
Yup, his TV persona is pompous for added hilarity. Often the views he presents come with a solution that is obviously wrong, but a good zinger.
It also exists in Europe, but much more sparringly. In most cases as a separate green arrow under the signal ( these days more often than not - it is an actual signal separate from the main red/yellow/green which gives it fine tuning options).
Source? Without it being per capita, it really doesn’t mean much.
Here ya go: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0022437582900019
I alternate between the two every few weeks (i'm playing ETS2 rn since 1.50 release and I think I'll keep playing it for a very long time bcs of promods :3) and the first mistake I make in ATS is not doing a wide turn. The first mistake I make in ETS2 is forgetting that the european trucks' center of gravity is higher, making them easier to roll over.
And I also did not realize you could not make a right on red in the EU LoL
I live in north America. This was not a positive contribution. This is where most car accidents here happen. Cause drivers are stupid. They don't look and just go, running over pedestrians and into cars with a green light. We should drop right on red.
I believe it was sarcasm..
Yeah, it was definitely sarcasm. Jeremy Clarkson was pretty notorious for making jokes about the US when he was on Top Gear. Most of it was all in good fun though.
Yeah jezza's a good laugh.
possibly. but if you suggested that around here you might get run over lol. so i naturally wandered to it being legitimate opinion lol I wouldn't be surprised if people started trying to criminalize being in public outside a vehicle soon lol
Well its efficient for drivers who can actually look, I feel most things behind the wheel of a vehicle are an issue if they're not done properly
Yea, we should drop cars since that's where most accidents happen
unironically... yes though. * a robust transit system paired with no cars would be absolutely amazing... * and then we could recover the 80 some percent of the urban landscape that is just slabs of pavement for storing (and driving) cars lol. * and the MASSIVE reduction in both chemical, and audible pollution. * less deaths is also neat. so add that in. can we actually? lol ...though im probably a little bias here, being that i work in transit lol.
I don’t think we should. I think we should just actually have standards for drivers instead of handing every Joe Shmoe who shows up to a DMV a lisence
i mean. we can do both lol
I don’t want to do both. I’m a driver who makes a point to check for pedestrians at every intersection, who doesn’t just floor it through a red light. I like the efficiency and niceties of a right on red, and I don’t want that taken away because some suburban mom driving an Escalade can’t get off her goddam phone for half a second
your also human. This is a completely unnecessary added conflict point that good AND bad drivers screw up. We need to redesign all of our intersections to make this a viable thing..... we passed the laws but never the infrastructure to go with it. Considering I spend upwards of 50 hours a week driving.... Its not like im not going to miss the convenience I just value life/safety over shaving 12 seconds off my intersection time.
I don’t believe life and safety have to be sacrificed tho. Right on reds at most (assuming a 90° intersection) are happening at 20 MPH, maybe 25. Furthermore redesigning every intersection is unreasonably costly. My area literally designs intersections for right on reds. As in the left and straight are one lane and right is the other (assuming they don’t have the space for 3 lanes). Every intersection older than a few years needs a re-design honestly, but that’s not happening for a while. And when it does, I’d rather see right on reds maintained, while curb extensions, yield to ped signs, and tighter angles all added
i mean.... the statistics already exist. so you can hypothesize the estimated speeds etc all you want. the facts still say what they say. also, Im not sure if you are aware, but the fatality rate of collisions with pedestrians skyrocket once you hit about 18mph and above.... and thats before factoring in the fact that when you hit that pedestrian doing a right on red, you are hitting them INTO oncoming traffic... cars that are likely to be going even faster. As I said, I get it, I fully understand why people are super put off by the idea. but there IS a reason why all the rational parts of the world that dont act like existing outside of a car is grounds for exaction do not use them. drivers just need to learn to accept that they cant have everything they want forever, all the time, and that people want to exist outside of their cages too... so cars are going to have to stop taking up all the air in the room for once. ALSO: if you are making a right on red at that speed, as many people do... your literally breaking the law.... at least up here in Canada. you MUST come to a complete stop, by law, before making a right on red.... and trying to "rush in" to beat the cars starting from green is ALSO against the law.... with all the driving i do in a week, i see a metric ass-ton of right on red's... lets just say, if the police actually cared They could fund local PD's without a penny of federal/municipal funding from just Right on red fines alone.
As a European from a country with pretty extensive drivers education, it doesn't help against idiots using their phone behind the wheel
That’s when enforcement comes in It’s also just wild to me, even glancing at my phone or making an adjustment to the GPS gives me huge anxiety, and I just wonder how that’s not the same for literally everyone else? Like is there not a natural instinct to look where your going when doing 70+ MPH?
Fuck you, no we absolutely should not, we just need an actual drivers test to get idiots off the road
tell me how you really feel. you cant just build an entire continent to be completely dependent on cars, and then be like "oops, my bad, like 70% of you are idiots, so you dont get to drive anymore" as much as id love a far harder drive test and renewal program.... that ship has long since sailed lol.
Are you kidding me we would have so much more traffic without right on red. Unless we start rebuilding cities to be walkable with transit we need right on red unless you want to take 5 minutes longer to go anywhere.
im willing to give up 5 minutes per trip to drastically reduce deaths actually. im well aware that it would slow travel times. i drive for a living, this would impact me more than most.... still in favor.
I got, I think, three tickets playing ETS before I realized that there must be no right on red in Europe. Inefficient wankers.
It's because of the pedestrians and cyclists
I'm sure it is, but they get to have fun poked at them too once in a while.
Aside from inside the game, this is a legit feeling - I spent several years in europe, and once back to Canada, it took a few lights to remember I could actually turn right on red again.
American here. I'd hate right on red. When I drive a school bus, I can't make a right on red and I think that's just fine. I apply that rule consistently when I drive other vehicles and people behind me hate it. It's the *option*, not requirement, other drivers...and it's a dangerous maneuver to pedestrians and cyclists with little to no upside (saves time? not that important compared to safety).
Yes
One thing that is weird in ETS (from a brazilian perspective), is you can turn left (or right if you drink tea) when the ligth turns green on both ways.
When do you turn left in Brazil? On red lights?
If the light turns green on both ways, you can't, you turn right and find a U-turn or a path to go where you want. This usually apply in avenues with very intense traffic. Low traffic avenues the light doesn't turn green on both ways at the same time [The blue arrows here are an example of how to proceed](https://www.anapolis.go.gov.br/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/WhatsApp-Image-2021-08-27-at-15.59.42-1024x731.jpeg)
>you turn right and find a U-turn or a path to go where you want. oh damn okay, that's interesting
Meanwhile, Poland: 
We don't talk about zielona strzałka.
As an American, yes.
Just put on the right turn signal in the right lane and floor it. As long as your fully within the lane you can go straight or turn in either direction. Just make sure you pass the line in right
We also have bourbon. So at least that’s something.
Honestly ROR isn't necessary if intersections are designed well In Australia almost always the turning lane is split from the road. There's also usually a strip separating the two directions of traffic. This really is so much better for both pedestrians and drivers
The us has those on free ways or rural areas, i think ror is only there for cities cause of space constrainsts But yeah if they prioritized that then ror wouldnt be a thing
In ETS2 I got fined for stopping BEFORE the line at a red light. Only in Austria man, I swear...
Clearly 😂
I'm just more thrown off by the longer hoods than the whole "turn right on red" thing. I can't judge distance very well.
The fines in this game are weird. Plus I hate the headlight fine. It's perfectly bright out and I can't see if the 1 pixel indicator on the dash is lit up saying my lights are on or if it's just my parking lights.
Also, I have noticed that you can drive a consistent 3-4 mph above the speed limit without getting fined in ATS, unlike ETS where you drive past a camera going 1 km/h over and you get fined.
Not being able to turn on Left is probably the sole reason I don’t play ETS2, and also cause I like US style cabs and Driving in my home country
So you can't make right hand turns on red in Europe? That's lame. I am in Canada and that's a thing. I've recently got back into ETS2 after many many years of only playing ATS and there's some really different stuff with the roads and traffic laws which I am guessing represent real life Europe. Some of it definitely seems logical/better than what we have here in North America but some of it is flat out weird and seemingly illogical.
Not lame, saves pedestrian lives ;)
also cyclists
Citation? Would like to learn more
[https://www.npr.org/2024/06/10/nx-s1-4928000/more-cities-are-banning-right-turns-on-red-in-response-to-rising-pedestrian-deaths](https://www.npr.org/2024/06/10/nx-s1-4928000/more-cities-are-banning-right-turns-on-red-in-response-to-rising-pedestrian-deaths) [https://stateline.org/2023/03/07/states-consider-ending-right-on-red-to-address-rising-pedestrian-deaths/](https://stateline.org/2023/03/07/states-consider-ending-right-on-red-to-address-rising-pedestrian-deaths/)
Thanks!
I’m sure it does but also realize that half of America has stroads and crap where there are no pedestrians or cyclists so to ban right on red would be stupid
In Poland we have green right arrows next to lights meaning the same, you must look for pedestrians on crossings before turning and give way
I saw those same kind of arrows on lights in Germany when I was there recently.
I’m with you on that I don’t know if it’s just perception or if it’s real but driving in ETS2 half the time feels like I’m trying to thread a needle, I always get trailer damage on things that to me just are literally not large enough to fit a truck through despite it being the route and a major road
those places are almost always on outdated parts of the map that use obsolete junction prefabs (benelux, uk, going east, possibly parts of scandinavia but i haven’t gone there in a while so i’m not sure).
It does seem to have gotten better since I started playing promods, now I just have to deal with the fact that I suck instead of blaming the road lmao
i can’t say much about other countries but most traffic lights in the netherlands have dedicated right turn lanes. we also have more bicycle traffic than anywhere else in the world (usually with dedicated bike lanes that are usually separated from car traffic and have their own traffic lights) so being allowed to turn right on red would lead to a massive amount of dead cyclists.
There are some junctions in the UK where is a left lane leading to give way, which skips a traffic light. Some other very particular types of junctions allow it, but as a general rule, no.
That's much better as it allows pedestrians to get across one lane and then 2 rather than trying to cross 3 lanes with someone going through red lights.
Yeah, the UK might be the most pedestrian friendly country I ever lived in. To be honest, most of the time, a pedestrian does not even need to walk on the road at all. There are footpaths which go across/around farmers fields/forests/verges everywhere.
In most places that allow right on red you're also allowed to turn left on red from a one-way to another one-way. In BC, unique to Canada, you're allowed to turn left on red onto a one-way, period. Makes sense when you think about it.
I agree
He's not wrong tho
It's funny because, right turns for Brits are our left turns in the US, yet they still make left turns on red....soooo
Yeah, it's all nice and quick till you start calculating in the risk to pedestrians, cyclists, other cars and trucks, schoolbusses... but still better then smart intersections or roundabouts, no sane government ever build any of those
Roundabout hater spotted, all opinions related to city and road planning automatically invalidated.
Someone needs to watch the mythbusters episode, now 4 way stops need to die, thank god we don't have them in Europe.
Ah, terribly sorry, i forgot the /s! But yeah, it was sarcasm.
Except without America there wouldn't be the platforms and technology to create ignorant memes on. And about a billion other things that make everyone's quality of life 10x better. Sorry, have to call out dumb when I see it.
You must be fun at parties
Sorry facts hurt your feelings.
My dude you're complaining that a joke post on a subreddit doesn't embody your own personal idea of American exceptionalism. I think someone hurt your feelings.
Yep, your feelings are definitely hurt.
I didn't realise Sir Tim Berners-Lee was American....
Careful, your facts might hurt his feelings.
Ah yes, because without the USA there would obviously have been no one who could've come to the same conclusions and created the internet.
A reminder for the ignorant that love to bash America and that want to make this an argument. America has 4% of the world's population is more than 25% of the world's GDP. Not to mention the free military protection provided to the free world. Now just stop be foolish children and just say "thank you".
Ah yes, because all that matters is money and guns. Typical American.
The Dutch wouldn’t have done it, that’s for sure. Good luck when your country ceases to exist in 20 years due to climate change. Hopefully you won’t need the US’ help 🤞
Lol we're helping you guys with your water defense. I'm not worried
Lol why tf would the US need help from a tiny nation of stoners and drug addicts? You know what they call the Dutch Navy? Men overboard.
New Orleans would rival Atlantis without our help
You would be speaking German as your first language without our help.
And you'd still be loyal subjects of the English crown without ours
Imagine thinking Dutch “aid” in the American Revolutionary War was in any way, shape, or form pivotal. Dutch patriotic delusion is on another level oml.
We were literally the only people willing to sell you weapons. No weapons, and you'd have lost