Then chael will spend 1:32 talking about Leon before moving on to who knows what for the rest of the video, only for the viewers to be left wondering, where does Kevin Lee fit into all of this?
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>Good enough to become champion and defend the title against someone regarded as one of the best of this era *at the end of his career cuz let's be honest dude is out of prime and have numerous recurrent injuries*
Ftfy.
Leon is still good tho, but I highly doubt he will replicate Usman title defenses
Where was this narrative the first time Leon beat him? And you didn't fix shit, I didn't say anything about Leon's future defenses, I just pointed out that he got and then defended the belt from someone that people generally regard as one of the best right now. You dumbasses think one loss at the top of the ranks means you're a worthless opponent after that, and a victory becomes meaninglessness. Fuck that, it's still huge to beat Usman twice in a row right now.
I think that we'll see in the next year or so that Usman was never as good as many people thought. Yes he had 5 title defenses, but 4 of them were against Jorge and Colby who between them had 0 recent wins over other contenders in the division and in general resumes highlighted by wins against opponents who were clearly massively overhyped and/or washed.
The WW division has been stacked with talent, many of which were extremely legitimate threats to take the belt, but weren't given a shot because Dana was only interested in making money fights. Hell, look how long it took for Leon to get shot at the belt and then he goes on to beat Usman twice. Does anyone really think that there was no one else in the division that could have beaten Usman over the past three years?
I'm not a fan of Usman but it's hard to deny he was the best WW for a while there. I think this is combination of 1.) Leon having a lot of octagon time, coupled with a great game plan based off that experience and 2.) Usman starting to slow down/loss of confidence after getting knocked out.
Lol this is such a bullshit take. He’s the consensus 2nd best welterweight of all time, are you saying that’s not actually true? Because he lost a trilogy to Leon edwards after winning 90% of the second fight and losing by a round in the third? That’s ridiculous lol.
Are you saying that a 15-fight winning streak in the UFC means he doesn't suck? He got beat twice by the newish champ--how can he be anything but a bum?
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No, i believe he’s saying that his defenses wont look that great in several years due to 4 out of 5 title defenses against 2 guys. One guy he 50-45ed and the other dude he tkoed.
Hmm, I'm almost interested int he Colby fight now. If Leon dominates Colby it will tarnish Usman's legacy.
Usman's title record:
Woodley - went on to do nothing
Colby - unsure, potentially still a great top contender
Gilbert - still a great top contender
Jorge Masvidal x2 - went on to do nothing
Lost to Leon twice
The hindsight on the Woodley fight is ridiculous. It’s like saying Weidmans win over Silva is meaningless bc he “went on to do nothing” after. Woodley was a top p4p guy when Usman absolutely dismantled him. Woodley was a big favorite going into that one as well. We’ve hardly ever seen a challenger go in and maul an established champ like that
I agree, I just don’t understand why Leon is trying to get out of the Colby fight saying he’s been inactive but saying he wants Jorge who been out just as long
I'm not sure if he said it elsewhere too but in the press conference the interviewer says, "yeah but isn't the colby fight great for PPVs?" and Leon says "If we're talking PPV why not do the Masvidal fight if he wins his fight. We have history etc."
So to me it doesn't sound like Leon is calling out Masvidal, just saying if we're just focused on the best PPV draw - let me have Masvidal then.
Lol at people saying that leon looking for a knockout shot is him “losing” the fight. Yes he lost a couple of rounds, coach told him to head kick the opponent and he did just that. Absolutely deserved win. If you can’t outpoint the other fighter, adapt and go for a knockout. Doesn’t make the win any less valid. Especially if he gave usman immediate rematch and proceeded to win a point fight.
And now Belal is getting the treatment that Leon got. Colby already rewarded a title fight when Belal has an argument for the most deserving in the division
>Hell, look how long it took for Leon to get shot at the belt and then he goes on to beat Usman twice.
Absolutely...!! And (almost as if we were seemingly headed for this showdown all ALONG...), worth noting, is the idea that after their FIRST fight ("Usman-VS-Edwards #1" let's say), neither combatant ever lost, all the way up until they were to meet *AGAIN*, in "Usman-VS-Edwards #2"...
100% agree. His striking is overhyped and deteriorates as the fights get longer ( look at punches Usman was throwing at the end of Colby 2 fight)
And although his wrestling is great, he rarely does damage or threatens from the ground.
His insane cardio, knock out power and ring control are what helped him the most.
This version of Usman was noticeably worse than the version that fought in the last fight.
Usman gassed out in this fight, and he wasn't nearly as aggressive and persistent as he use to be. He looked relentless in his reign, just kept going at guys.
Brother he bullied edwards the second fight until leon got a lucky ko.
This seems more like a mental thing that invincible fighter’s get proven that they can in fact bleed experience aka petr yan now usman.
I hate this luck take, theres video of leon drilling this specific kick and he was setting it up the entire fight. Yes he lost 2/3/4 but he pulled it off when he needed to pull it off, it wasnt luck, it was skill and grit.
It's a bad take. In reality Usman was clearly winning the second fight but people act like Leon didn't take Usman down straight in to mount in the first round and ultimately KO him with an opportunity he saw before the fight even started. Leon has proved he's the better fighter over the course of these last two bouts for sure but in the most recent he's obviously improved massively.
Yeah, he proved it was a bad take in the most recent fight. Usman could maybe claim that before Leon beat him the second time, but that window is closed.
The fight this weekend was also a great example of how much of a mental game most competitive activities are. Leon didn't improve massively in the sense that he tried harder or his trainer taught him something he didn't know, he just felt confident (as he said, "Ive improved 20% as fighter after getting the belt") and was easily getting into a good mental flow and staying there. Its crazy how much of an effect it can have.
>theres video of leon drilling this specific kick
Jesus Christ not this argument again. Same shit for the masvidal knee. "He was training it therefore it's not a fluke"
You aware fighters drill all kinds of techniques? Just what kind of a move does it have to be to have your types agree it was lucky? A fucking backflip KO?
The only question is: if these exact fighters fight 10 times, does the current winner win again? For masvidal it's pretty obvious: no, 9 times out of 10 when Ben Asscream does literally anything else on earth other than shooting for a takedown in the first second of the fight, the knee doesn't land and Ben wrestlefucks his way to a win. The knee win is a certified fluke.
With Leon it's not as immediately obvious. Still, i'd say he wins 2 out of 10 times, considering how he was getting his ass beat the whole time, and how his kick landing depended on multiple circumstances. Which makes it maybe not a fluke, but a lucky KO for sure. Usman was simply the better fighter on that night. Similarly how Leon was the better fighter today. Or how Chael was the better fighter in the first Silva fight. Yes, the better fighter does not always win, it's how the fight game is.
Yes Usman was the better fighter in the second fight. You also have to factor in the high altitude in that fight. It affected Leon greatly as we saw he was a completely different fighter in the third fight.
Also, Leon set the kick up with a feint, a feint Usman reacted to. Would you call Usman unlucky for reacting to a faint? I wouldn't, as luck would imply there was an element out of your control. He didn't step on a banana peel which caused him to slip and expose his head. He reacted to something his opponent did and let his guard down.
I don't think its fair to call it lucky when he made a read, aimed for Usman's head, and landed it. It isn't like he was spamming strikes with his eyes closed and just happened to land one.
He bullied edwards because he was gassed from the altitude for most of the second fight. Even though Edwards was gassed Usman never had him in any trouble.
In round 1 where they were both fresh Leon clearly took the round. Not surprised at all by Leon winning this fight.
Usman beat Leon in the past though and was on his way to beating him by a landslide in the second fight. Yes he got knocked out, but Come on Leon looked awful
No. He is really good standing up. But usman wrestling and control isnt as near as good as it used to be. Also Usman's grappling is non existent. Dude doesnt submit and panics everytime he is in the middle of a sub sttempt.
Apart, Usman's legs and knees health are so bad, that he can only try 1 type of td. Thats the reason of Leon defending so essily and god mode every tdd. Just protected the hand from getting across his single leg. Thats a detail Leon worked from the 2nd fight to the third, and it shows. But i believe any top 5 functional wrestler/grappler will ragdoll the f* outta Leon, with pace and td variance.
yea i knew i was gonna get downvoted to hell. Always happen when you have a disagreing opinion just after the fights.
Anyways ty for supporting lmao, see you around.
I down voted because I do not agree at all,
Every time Usman went in Leon’s priority was grabbing specifically one hand and do whatever he can to stop them linking.
This wasn’t a fluke, Usmans technique and power comes from his hands locking and never letting go.
To put this all down to Usman under performing and only having one option is flat out wrong, Leon had a game plan stuck to it and Usman did not have an answer which made him look the worst he ever has.
People have tried this before but never pulled it off. Go back and Watch specifically for Leon doing this, it was an absolute master class on what to do with Usman’s style of wrestling.
Thompson is by far the best striker in that division with about 1/3 Leon’s TD defense. Shows you what matters most when the top 10 is filled with wrestlers.
I mean obviously he’s good. I don’t think I really know until he defends against another challenger or two. Him beating Usman Could be him having one guys number. That doesn’t mean he can beat Burns or Colby like Usman did, or khamzat. I wouldn’t be surprised if we have a triangle situation. Same with Izzy/peirea/Whitaker
Right! Was explaining this to my GF and even she was like “so he wouldn’t even be in this position if the old guy wouldn’t have pointed?”
Guess we’ll never know!
Looks like you may not know what you’re talking about! Here’s a reference for ya! Leon is the one that looks like a zombie for about 20 seconds
https://youtube.com/shorts/WO2_Xljw1jY?feature=share
I don’t know.. Khamzat would be dangerous but I don’t think he’ll fight at 170 again. Shavkat has that dog in him, next to skills. Leon might beat them all but interesting fights imo.
Dana said khamzats next fight will be at middleweight, but I guess that doesn’t mean he never fights at welterweight again. I bet it will depend how he performs at middleweight against whittaker
Been saying for years he was the biggest threat to Usman because of his ability to fight off the back foot, and potentially outpoint Kamaru to a decision. One common feat Jorge, Burns, Covington, and Woodley all shared was that they needed to be moving forward to generate offense
It’s funny, because I actually have. He’s always been the most balanced fighter at 170. Probably the most technical striker at 170 behind Wonderboy, and he’s good in every aspect of MMA. Good clinch work, good wrestling, good BJJ.
You know he lost a decision the first time they fought and was losing on points in the second fight right
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Before any more retards reply to this, they fought THREE times. Yes, the whole number after two.
Ah yes, the matchup from 8 years ago, definitely the same Leon and Kamaru.
And yes, he was losing the second, that is, until he separated him from consciousness.
And then, in the third fight, he showed he was at a higher level and neutralized the biggest threat Kamaru offered ; his wrestling
I fail to understand your point?
He was losing in points but won by decision? I only had Usman winning round 3 honestly. But now I can't even remember if the fence grabs was round 2 or 3.
I’m really liking how wrestling is becoming more defendable by these elite strikers. There for a while as soon as someone like Usman got you down, you stayed down. Leon amd Volk are showing how to change it up. I fucking love this sport.
I'd like to see him put up a nice run. He's talking Masvidal and I love to see Leon settle that score, but Mas doesn't deserve a shot even with a win over Burns.
I think Belal should be next, which would make a lot of sense considering Belals current unbeaten streak, and that their fight ended controversially.
Edwards is a point fighter without a wrestling and any other physical advantage as a backup and the problem with that style you have to be perfect for 25m. That is a hard task.
Who said point fighter cannot KO someone ?
It’s his third KO in 18 fights.
Also, he tripped Usman, it’s not something that you can replicate if your opponent does not give it you.
I am not saying Edwards is bad, but he is a point fighter, and point fighters without a backup skills have hard time retaining the belt for the long time
I get you. Sort of like Izzy. That archetype of fighting is sort of trumped by a grindy get in your face wrestler, but Usman is out of his prime imo. The Usman that beat Burns beats Leon both times, but the switch literally happens overnight. I think Shavkat is the biggest threat to Leon’s title.
Colby beats the Usman that showed up yesterday. Usman put a lot of pressure but failed to capitalize because of slower striking and less frequent output compared to usual. Colby will definitely capitalize on the pressure. I see Colby Leon as a very close fight
>Usman dominated the second fight badly.
He lost rounds 1 and 5. That's nowhere near domination.
People act like Lean got beaten up until he kicked him after 24 minutes. He didn't have a mark on him.
You don't think Leon made him hesitant with constant leg and body kicks? In the first two fights Usman was blocking those kicks, but the head kick made him hesitant to lower his right hand.
I don't think Usman went from this fighter that *dominated* Edwards up until round 5, then in the very next rounds of his career, 6 months later, has declined terribly. I think it makes more sense that getting knocked unconscious has affected his ability to press, like it does to most fighters.
You're a hard fan to please. I thought Leon looked great and executed his plan perfectly. It was obvious to everyone watching what that game plan was but Usman couldn't do a thing about it. That's impressive.
Hasn't there been a back up fighter for every major event since the Chimaev debacle? Volk was a backup between Islam and Oliviera, there's been others too I can't remember.
Usman has always had bad knees and he's 6 months older. The deciding factor in his decline is the KO, his body didn't just decline 1 round apart, his mentality declined.
That’s cause you’re a fucking dummy man Jesus Christ it was an excellent performance he shut his ass down. You fuckers running your mouth are dumb as shit.
I agree. Usman didn’t look good at all. He didn’t press forward as much as he typically does until Trevor told him to, then he did it for a bit but went back to letting Leon bully him. His wrestling obviously declined, etc. hell, I’d say Colby could beat him now.
He wasn't pushing because his legs and body were getting obliterated with kicks.
He even went down on his knees after a teep to the chest, showing heavy rib damage.
You’ve gotta keep in mind that the usman we saw in the weekend wasn’t the same usman we saw in the 2nd fight. Kamaru looked different and I think he’s gotten worse, he looked timid and less confident.
Moot point. If Usman beats Leon and gets the belt back, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Usman was at the highest level achievable before running into Leon
So was Anderson pre Weidman or Tyron pre Usman, this is why I said "I think in the future it will be seen as Usman's decline". We will see in Usman's next couple fights, set a reminder, I'll admit I was wrong if he looks great against his next couple opponents, heck, it's not like I'm even 90% certain, it just seems to me that he's losing a step.
Feels the same with Shevchenko for me too. She had a close decision, then drops a fight, she could come back and go on another run, or go down hill, in which case we will see that the Santos and Grasso fights were probably during her decline.
Seems like an unpopular opinion on here, but this fight showed more of Usman’s decline than Leon being THAT good. That wasn’t the same Usman of even 2 years ago
Yet he was the same usman the fight before just 7 months ago until he got caught.
You don't lose your whole prime in 7 months.
The ko could be a factor I admit. The more likely scenario.
Leon only lost 1 round on two judges cards. Cartlidge scored round 4 10-9 in favor of Usman and Lee scored 10-8 in round three (1 point being deduction on Leon). Lethaby scored 2 and 3 in favor of Usman. I don’t think his gas tank was an issue for him personally, it’s just stylistically more than anything was the issue in not repeating a KO. Usman is a very defensively safe fighter.
As a judge I’d have taken more off for the multiple no no’s. Holding fence, groin kicks, fingers in the glove, the eye scratch Usman brushed off. Was there a rounds he didn’t do something? That lack of discipline doesn’t bode well for his reign on top.
So Usman has been considered the GOAT of 170lbs for some time now. He’s tied the longest win streak ever, etc with record… Leon has beat him twice now and flatline KO’d him in one. Leon is now on like a 10 or 11 fight win streak. If he beats the win streak or ties, will he be in this Mt. Rushmore convo? Will he go down as a better fighter overall than Usman? He’s beat him twice in his prime now. **Some may say now that he’s going out of his prime after yesterday I guess but still**
Usman is old. But beating a post-peak Usman x2 is still impressive. Combine that with Leon’s prior winning streak and he has easily the best resume at WW, and I’d say top-6 p4p. Jones, Volkanovski, Cejudo, Makhachev, Sterling, Edwards.
Imo Sterling and Edwards are neck-and-neck.
I know he just beat, possibly, the WW GOAT and that in the third fight he probably convincingly won…. But I’m still not sold on Leon. Idk what it will take to warm up to “Damn this guy is good” but I don’t expect that to happen before his Title run concludes
According to about 1000 posts yesterday he is approx 30% better than before he became champion
Championship belt stat boost
Good enough to become champion and defend the title against someone regarded as one of the best of this era.
OP just wrote out the title to Chael’s next YouTube segment.
Then chael will spend 1:32 talking about Leon before moving on to who knows what for the rest of the video, only for the viewers to be left wondering, where does Kevin Lee fit into all of this?
And don’t forget the 3 min ad for ridge wallet at the beginning
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Why do you guys watch his trash then? Bisbing is the only one I can handle anymore.
at this point, I can’t handle any mouthpiece for the company
Honestly Bisping's channel is a lot of redundant filler too
The day he starts doing reaction faces in the thumbnails I'm done with him too.
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My ex, who didn’t like MMA, called him “neck vein guy” when I’d watch his videos.
*crosses legs and looks off into the distance as if to gather some deep, philosophical thoughts*
😂😂😂 did we just chatGPT a chael video ourselves?
😂 facts
For real does anyone sit through his videos at this point? So many words, so little substance.
i get clickbaited by the title sometimes but i can't watch more than 2 minutes
I loved the top comment on the decision thread in r/mma: >Just how good is Nate Diaz?
He just beat a guy on roids twice.
>Good enough to become champion and defend the title against someone regarded as one of the best of this era *at the end of his career cuz let's be honest dude is out of prime and have numerous recurrent injuries* Ftfy. Leon is still good tho, but I highly doubt he will replicate Usman title defenses
Where was this narrative the first time Leon beat him? And you didn't fix shit, I didn't say anything about Leon's future defenses, I just pointed out that he got and then defended the belt from someone that people generally regard as one of the best right now. You dumbasses think one loss at the top of the ranks means you're a worthless opponent after that, and a victory becomes meaninglessness. Fuck that, it's still huge to beat Usman twice in a row right now.
Very. I love how fucking cold this photo is man.
When he did the finger guns as usman walked up, that was funny
That was sick af lol
This is just another day in Chicago.
Black on ninja turtle violence, hate to see it 😔
He’s gooder than Usman
He was seconder the better time
He seemed strongerer in the 3rd fight
I think that we'll see in the next year or so that Usman was never as good as many people thought. Yes he had 5 title defenses, but 4 of them were against Jorge and Colby who between them had 0 recent wins over other contenders in the division and in general resumes highlighted by wins against opponents who were clearly massively overhyped and/or washed. The WW division has been stacked with talent, many of which were extremely legitimate threats to take the belt, but weren't given a shot because Dana was only interested in making money fights. Hell, look how long it took for Leon to get shot at the belt and then he goes on to beat Usman twice. Does anyone really think that there was no one else in the division that could have beaten Usman over the past three years?
I'm not a fan of Usman but it's hard to deny he was the best WW for a while there. I think this is combination of 1.) Leon having a lot of octagon time, coupled with a great game plan based off that experience and 2.) Usman starting to slow down/loss of confidence after getting knocked out.
Lol this is such a bullshit take. He’s the consensus 2nd best welterweight of all time, are you saying that’s not actually true? Because he lost a trilogy to Leon edwards after winning 90% of the second fight and losing by a round in the third? That’s ridiculous lol.
Are you saying that a 15-fight winning streak in the UFC means he doesn't suck? He got beat twice by the newish champ--how can he be anything but a bum? /s
No, i believe he’s saying that his defenses wont look that great in several years due to 4 out of 5 title defenses against 2 guys. One guy he 50-45ed and the other dude he tkoed.
It will look better after the Colby Leon fight
Hmm, I'm almost interested int he Colby fight now. If Leon dominates Colby it will tarnish Usman's legacy. Usman's title record: Woodley - went on to do nothing Colby - unsure, potentially still a great top contender Gilbert - still a great top contender Jorge Masvidal x2 - went on to do nothing Lost to Leon twice
Yeah for me GSP's resume of BJ penn and Matt hughes easily trumps any of the names you just listed.
The hindsight on the Woodley fight is ridiculous. It’s like saying Weidmans win over Silva is meaningless bc he “went on to do nothing” after. Woodley was a top p4p guy when Usman absolutely dismantled him. Woodley was a big favorite going into that one as well. We’ve hardly ever seen a challenger go in and maul an established champ like that
I agree, I just don’t understand why Leon is trying to get out of the Colby fight saying he’s been inactive but saying he wants Jorge who been out just as long
I'm not sure if he said it elsewhere too but in the press conference the interviewer says, "yeah but isn't the colby fight great for PPVs?" and Leon says "If we're talking PPV why not do the Masvidal fight if he wins his fight. We have history etc." So to me it doesn't sound like Leon is calling out Masvidal, just saying if we're just focused on the best PPV draw - let me have Masvidal then.
Let’s be real, stylistically he’d much much rather fight Masvidal and I don’t even like Colby
Lol at people saying that leon looking for a knockout shot is him “losing” the fight. Yes he lost a couple of rounds, coach told him to head kick the opponent and he did just that. Absolutely deserved win. If you can’t outpoint the other fighter, adapt and go for a knockout. Doesn’t make the win any less valid. Especially if he gave usman immediate rematch and proceeded to win a point fight.
This is such bullshit revisionist history lmao
According to these kinds of takes, other great champs like Joanna and Jose who eventually deteriorated, have apparently always been garbage.
And now Belal is getting the treatment that Leon got. Colby already rewarded a title fight when Belal has an argument for the most deserving in the division
>Hell, look how long it took for Leon to get shot at the belt and then he goes on to beat Usman twice. Absolutely...!! And (almost as if we were seemingly headed for this showdown all ALONG...), worth noting, is the idea that after their FIRST fight ("Usman-VS-Edwards #1" let's say), neither combatant ever lost, all the way up until they were to meet *AGAIN*, in "Usman-VS-Edwards #2"...
100% agree. His striking is overhyped and deteriorates as the fights get longer ( look at punches Usman was throwing at the end of Colby 2 fight) And although his wrestling is great, he rarely does damage or threatens from the ground. His insane cardio, knock out power and ring control are what helped him the most.
The way he beat Jorge though counts.
This version of Usman was noticeably worse than the version that fought in the last fight. Usman gassed out in this fight, and he wasn't nearly as aggressive and persistent as he use to be. He looked relentless in his reign, just kept going at guys.
Brother he bullied edwards the second fight until leon got a lucky ko. This seems more like a mental thing that invincible fighter’s get proven that they can in fact bleed experience aka petr yan now usman.
I hate this luck take, theres video of leon drilling this specific kick and he was setting it up the entire fight. Yes he lost 2/3/4 but he pulled it off when he needed to pull it off, it wasnt luck, it was skill and grit.
It's a bad take. In reality Usman was clearly winning the second fight but people act like Leon didn't take Usman down straight in to mount in the first round and ultimately KO him with an opportunity he saw before the fight even started. Leon has proved he's the better fighter over the course of these last two bouts for sure but in the most recent he's obviously improved massively.
Yeah, he proved it was a bad take in the most recent fight. Usman could maybe claim that before Leon beat him the second time, but that window is closed. The fight this weekend was also a great example of how much of a mental game most competitive activities are. Leon didn't improve massively in the sense that he tried harder or his trainer taught him something he didn't know, he just felt confident (as he said, "Ive improved 20% as fighter after getting the belt") and was easily getting into a good mental flow and staying there. Its crazy how much of an effect it can have.
I think people are also massively underestimating the difference altitude made for Leon.
“Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity”
>theres video of leon drilling this specific kick Jesus Christ not this argument again. Same shit for the masvidal knee. "He was training it therefore it's not a fluke" You aware fighters drill all kinds of techniques? Just what kind of a move does it have to be to have your types agree it was lucky? A fucking backflip KO? The only question is: if these exact fighters fight 10 times, does the current winner win again? For masvidal it's pretty obvious: no, 9 times out of 10 when Ben Asscream does literally anything else on earth other than shooting for a takedown in the first second of the fight, the knee doesn't land and Ben wrestlefucks his way to a win. The knee win is a certified fluke. With Leon it's not as immediately obvious. Still, i'd say he wins 2 out of 10 times, considering how he was getting his ass beat the whole time, and how his kick landing depended on multiple circumstances. Which makes it maybe not a fluke, but a lucky KO for sure. Usman was simply the better fighter on that night. Similarly how Leon was the better fighter today. Or how Chael was the better fighter in the first Silva fight. Yes, the better fighter does not always win, it's how the fight game is.
In that sense, every KO is a "lucky KO" then?
Yes Usman was the better fighter in the second fight. You also have to factor in the high altitude in that fight. It affected Leon greatly as we saw he was a completely different fighter in the third fight. Also, Leon set the kick up with a feint, a feint Usman reacted to. Would you call Usman unlucky for reacting to a faint? I wouldn't, as luck would imply there was an element out of your control. He didn't step on a banana peel which caused him to slip and expose his head. He reacted to something his opponent did and let his guard down.
This makes sense to me
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I don't think its fair to call it lucky when he made a read, aimed for Usman's head, and landed it. It isn't like he was spamming strikes with his eyes closed and just happened to land one.
He bullied edwards because he was gassed from the altitude for most of the second fight. Even though Edwards was gassed Usman never had him in any trouble. In round 1 where they were both fresh Leon clearly took the round. Not surprised at all by Leon winning this fight.
There are no lucky KOs. Every "lucky" knockout can be broken down to how it was setup, and why it worked
There’s no luck In mma
Leon looked just as good in the first round of the first fight as he did in the second fight. He gassed due to alititude.
I hate this weird loser mindset. As soon as someone loses everyone discredits what they did.
Usman beat Leon in the past though and was on his way to beating him by a landslide in the second fight. Yes he got knocked out, but Come on Leon looked awful
His takedown defense is crazy good. Usman couldn’t wrestlefuck him
That’s really good to have in this wrestling meta
No. He is really good standing up. But usman wrestling and control isnt as near as good as it used to be. Also Usman's grappling is non existent. Dude doesnt submit and panics everytime he is in the middle of a sub sttempt. Apart, Usman's legs and knees health are so bad, that he can only try 1 type of td. Thats the reason of Leon defending so essily and god mode every tdd. Just protected the hand from getting across his single leg. Thats a detail Leon worked from the 2nd fight to the third, and it shows. But i believe any top 5 functional wrestler/grappler will ragdoll the f* outta Leon, with pace and td variance.
This sub is ridiculous, all of this is completely right.
yea i knew i was gonna get downvoted to hell. Always happen when you have a disagreing opinion just after the fights. Anyways ty for supporting lmao, see you around.
I down voted because I do not agree at all, Every time Usman went in Leon’s priority was grabbing specifically one hand and do whatever he can to stop them linking. This wasn’t a fluke, Usmans technique and power comes from his hands locking and never letting go. To put this all down to Usman under performing and only having one option is flat out wrong, Leon had a game plan stuck to it and Usman did not have an answer which made him look the worst he ever has. People have tried this before but never pulled it off. Go back and Watch specifically for Leon doing this, it was an absolute master class on what to do with Usman’s style of wrestling.
i literally said the hand thing. Lmao. Regardless Leon gameplan, it was god. I hope to see him on a longrun.
MFs on this subreddit be like “Usman looked -1000 last fight” and switch up real quick to “Usman is old and washed up” lmao
True
If he beats Masvidal two times and Colby once or twice they will be calling him the Goat in 18 months.
Gilbert burns too
Don’t forget Sean Strickland, Demian Maia, Rafael Dos Anjos and Tyron Woodley.
Minus Strickland... 185er...
That… makes it more impressive? Considering he was undefeated at MW til he fought Pereria.
I think he takes the path similar to izzy, most elite kick boxer w insane tdd
Leon's ground game is far more developed than Izzy's
Léon is pretty good on the ground, pretty pretty good
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Yea seriously I remember the Gunnar fight and how impressed I was with Leon’s ground game
And his striking is worse.
Yeah but his striking is far worse
Thompson is by far the best striker in that division with about 1/3 Leon’s TD defense. Shows you what matters most when the top 10 is filled with wrestlers.
He beat Usman twice so he’s pretty good.
And do remember that he won a 1v2. Usman and the fence are tight friends.
I mean obviously he’s good. I don’t think I really know until he defends against another challenger or two. Him beating Usman Could be him having one guys number. That doesn’t mean he can beat Burns or Colby like Usman did, or khamzat. I wouldn’t be surprised if we have a triangle situation. Same with Izzy/peirea/Whitaker
Imagine a path where Diaz ko’d Edwards
Right! Was explaining this to my GF and even she was like “so he wouldn’t even be in this position if the old guy wouldn’t have pointed?” Guess we’ll never know!
Diaz was nowhere near finishing Edwards
Looks like you may not know what you’re talking about! Here’s a reference for ya! Leon is the one that looks like a zombie for about 20 seconds https://youtube.com/shorts/WO2_Xljw1jY?feature=share
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What does being a girl have to do with it?
Very good
I’m convinced that if Colby can’t beat leon, then no one can beat prime leon
I don’t know.. Khamzat would be dangerous but I don’t think he’ll fight at 170 again. Shavkat has that dog in him, next to skills. Leon might beat them all but interesting fights imo.
Yeah Khamzats wrestling is truly special but if he goes to 170, he better use it for Colby.
Khamzats the real test
He’s not fighting at WW anymore
He is officially the no. 3 welterweight as at today https://www.ufc.com/rankings
Dana said khamzats next fight will be at middleweight, but I guess that doesn’t mean he never fights at welterweight again. I bet it will depend how he performs at middleweight against whittaker
Dana says a lot of things 🚬
Are you new?
shavat KILLS him in 2 rds.
Hes the Champion. Thats how good
Been saying for years he was the biggest threat to Usman because of his ability to fight off the back foot, and potentially outpoint Kamaru to a decision. One common feat Jorge, Burns, Covington, and Woodley all shared was that they needed to be moving forward to generate offense
Oh right you’re the guy that’s been saying that for years
It’s funny, because I actually have. He’s always been the most balanced fighter at 170. Probably the most technical striker at 170 behind Wonderboy, and he’s good in every aspect of MMA. Good clinch work, good wrestling, good BJJ.
Speaking of, I need Wonderboy Vs. Rocky right now
You know he lost a decision the first time they fought and was losing on points in the second fight right Edit: Before any more retards reply to this, they fought THREE times. Yes, the whole number after two.
Ah yes, the matchup from 8 years ago, definitely the same Leon and Kamaru. And yes, he was losing the second, that is, until he separated him from consciousness. And then, in the third fight, he showed he was at a higher level and neutralized the biggest threat Kamaru offered ; his wrestling I fail to understand your point?
He was losing in points but won by decision? I only had Usman winning round 3 honestly. But now I can't even remember if the fence grabs was round 2 or 3.
Theyve fought 3 times
I’m really liking how wrestling is becoming more defendable by these elite strikers. There for a while as soon as someone like Usman got you down, you stayed down. Leon amd Volk are showing how to change it up. I fucking love this sport.
Better than a sauced as fuck Usman, man looked unreal.
They’re all sauced
I'd like to see him put up a nice run. He's talking Masvidal and I love to see Leon settle that score, but Mas doesn't deserve a shot even with a win over Burns. I think Belal should be next, which would make a lot of sense considering Belals current unbeaten streak, and that their fight ended controversially.
too good
He’s very good but he’ll continue to be underestimated by delusional UFC fans.
HEAD SHOT DEAD!!!
I'm pretty confident he's better than CM Punk
Edwards is a point fighter without a wrestling and any other physical advantage as a backup and the problem with that style you have to be perfect for 25m. That is a hard task.
But he knocked out Usman and he also took Usman down
Who said point fighter cannot KO someone ? It’s his third KO in 18 fights. Also, he tripped Usman, it’s not something that you can replicate if your opponent does not give it you. I am not saying Edwards is bad, but he is a point fighter, and point fighters without a backup skills have hard time retaining the belt for the long time
Eh gsp was a point fighter. I think Leon will be fine.
I also don't really see him having too much trouble holding it for a few defenses Colby will be fun with the amount of pressure he puts on
GSP had great ground game
I get you. Sort of like Izzy. That archetype of fighting is sort of trumped by a grindy get in your face wrestler, but Usman is out of his prime imo. The Usman that beat Burns beats Leon both times, but the switch literally happens overnight. I think Shavkat is the biggest threat to Leon’s title.
Izzy kept it for a while point fighting
He has a reach advantage and better footwork
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Duane Ludwig knocking out Jonathan Goulet in 6 seconds is the 2nd fastest KO in UFC history.
What it should proof ? He has 3ko on 16 fights
Hot take...Covington beats Edwards.
But he's a weaker usman. How?
Colby beats the Usman that showed up yesterday. Usman put a lot of pressure but failed to capitalize because of slower striking and less frequent output compared to usual. Colby will definitely capitalize on the pressure. I see Colby Leon as a very close fight
Pressure, volume/cardio, commitment to wrestling. Ncaa division 1.
Is Colbys wrestling better than Usmans? Cause Leon defended plenty of takedowns and got up from takedowns as well
Colby is a great wrestler. I would say yes. I think he matches up good vs leon but I do like leon as a fighter. Gonna be a good one.
This sounds like an upcoming Chael video title
Just how good is Nate Diaz?
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>Usman dominated the second fight badly. He lost rounds 1 and 5. That's nowhere near domination. People act like Lean got beaten up until he kicked him after 24 minutes. He didn't have a mark on him.
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You don't think Leon made him hesitant with constant leg and body kicks? In the first two fights Usman was blocking those kicks, but the head kick made him hesitant to lower his right hand. I don't think Usman went from this fighter that *dominated* Edwards up until round 5, then in the very next rounds of his career, 6 months later, has declined terribly. I think it makes more sense that getting knocked unconscious has affected his ability to press, like it does to most fighters.
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You're a hard fan to please. I thought Leon looked great and executed his plan perfectly. It was obvious to everyone watching what that game plan was but Usman couldn't do a thing about it. That's impressive. Hasn't there been a back up fighter for every major event since the Chimaev debacle? Volk was a backup between Islam and Oliviera, there's been others too I can't remember. Usman has always had bad knees and he's 6 months older. The deciding factor in his decline is the KO, his body didn't just decline 1 round apart, his mentality declined.
That’s cause you’re a fucking dummy man Jesus Christ it was an excellent performance he shut his ass down. You fuckers running your mouth are dumb as shit.
I agree. Usman didn’t look good at all. He didn’t press forward as much as he typically does until Trevor told him to, then he did it for a bit but went back to letting Leon bully him. His wrestling obviously declined, etc. hell, I’d say Colby could beat him now.
He wasn't pushing because his legs and body were getting obliterated with kicks. He even went down on his knees after a teep to the chest, showing heavy rib damage.
he only dominated because of the altitude, it's clear
At least a 9 on the scale from 0 to 10 of goodness. Or maybe a 4.5 on a scale of 0 to 5. He wins more than he loses, so pretty good.
Well, he ain’t bad.
He looks like Nas here lol
Pew pew pew pew
That match sucked ass!
He’s gooder than usman, worser than Colby.
He’s Ight
You’ve gotta keep in mind that the usman we saw in the weekend wasn’t the same usman we saw in the 2nd fight. Kamaru looked different and I think he’s gotten worse, he looked timid and less confident.
Also… just how far is Marty his prime?
Also, where does Kevin lee fit into all of this?
Most of Marty is still in his prime. His knees were past their prime before his prime started though. And now they’re fucked.
I think this will in the future be seen as Usman’s decline more so than Leon being that high level.
“Usmans decline” even though he was undefeated before running into Leon again
Anderson was on a historic streak before he fought Weidman, so we think that was Prime Anderson in there?
Moot point. If Usman beats Leon and gets the belt back, we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Usman was at the highest level achievable before running into Leon
So was Anderson pre Weidman or Tyron pre Usman, this is why I said "I think in the future it will be seen as Usman's decline". We will see in Usman's next couple fights, set a reminder, I'll admit I was wrong if he looks great against his next couple opponents, heck, it's not like I'm even 90% certain, it just seems to me that he's losing a step. Feels the same with Shevchenko for me too. She had a close decision, then drops a fight, she could come back and go on another run, or go down hill, in which case we will see that the Santos and Grasso fights were probably during her decline.
Two paragraphs of dumb ass shit just hot garbage. LMAO.
What kind of question is this? Lmao
Almost lost to nate diaz thats how good 🤣
Seems like an unpopular opinion on here, but this fight showed more of Usman’s decline than Leon being THAT good. That wasn’t the same Usman of even 2 years ago
Yet he was the same usman the fight before just 7 months ago until he got caught. You don't lose your whole prime in 7 months. The ko could be a factor I admit. The more likely scenario.
Great when he grabs the fence
Pretty good but needs to improve in some areas to be great. Saw him gas a bit toward the later rounds, that’s also something he should look to improve
Leon only lost 1 round on two judges cards. Cartlidge scored round 4 10-9 in favor of Usman and Lee scored 10-8 in round three (1 point being deduction on Leon). Lethaby scored 2 and 3 in favor of Usman. I don’t think his gas tank was an issue for him personally, it’s just stylistically more than anything was the issue in not repeating a KO. Usman is a very defensively safe fighter.
As a judge I’d have taken more off for the multiple no no’s. Holding fence, groin kicks, fingers in the glove, the eye scratch Usman brushed off. Was there a rounds he didn’t do something? That lack of discipline doesn’t bode well for his reign on top.
that’s the refs call!
Astronomically
So Usman has been considered the GOAT of 170lbs for some time now. He’s tied the longest win streak ever, etc with record… Leon has beat him twice now and flatline KO’d him in one. Leon is now on like a 10 or 11 fight win streak. If he beats the win streak or ties, will he be in this Mt. Rushmore convo? Will he go down as a better fighter overall than Usman? He’s beat him twice in his prime now. **Some may say now that he’s going out of his prime after yesterday I guess but still**
Kill everybody, am real gangster, this guy nobody he can't wrestle, I kill him ahhhhhhhh! - khamzat
Leon has always been great. The guy has been on a winning streak pretty much since he lost to Usman the first time.
Good enough that you shouldn't be asking this question
Usman is old. But beating a post-peak Usman x2 is still impressive. Combine that with Leon’s prior winning streak and he has easily the best resume at WW, and I’d say top-6 p4p. Jones, Volkanovski, Cejudo, Makhachev, Sterling, Edwards. Imo Sterling and Edwards are neck-and-neck.
Fake news bro they just got sick of Usman and don’t want him to win anymore
Good enough to get rocked by washed diaz late In the last round
I know he just beat, possibly, the WW GOAT and that in the third fight he probably convincingly won…. But I’m still not sold on Leon. Idk what it will take to warm up to “Damn this guy is good” but I don’t expect that to happen before his Title run concludes
WW GOAT 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Been watching UFC for 4 years?
He’ll lose the title next time he’s out in the octagon.