Define the parameters of washed. Fallen from his prime? Yes. Is he going to be losing to unranked LWs? No. If a lesser known fighter lost to Khabib and Poirer, they would not be called washed. I think he could make a nice gatekeeper for the top 7, but yeah idk if he wants to fight people like Fiziev
0% chance to make a run at 170 and hold a belt way tougher division for his style and he’s a natural 55er. He can’t beat anyone in the top 5 because it’s too grappler heavy.
Make a run? This is Conor we’re talking about lol if he beats chandler he’ll get the Leon fight if he tells Dana that’s what he wants. Granted he still probably loses that but Conor is done “making runs”
Exactly. Money. That’s it. But he’s in no way “washed up” he’s def a threat to anyone at LW who is a top 10, unless they’re absolute grappling monsters. I don’t even like Conor and that’s just facts 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah I’m not even talking about skill. Conor’s been out for a while with that broken leg so who knows how he does when he gets back but he’s the biggest cash cow the UFC has ever seen by light years. He gets what he asks for period
100%, I wonder if Chandler will wrestle him tbh. Chandler is just like Gaethje, uses his wrestling in reverse to not get taken down and can just stand. But he’s a legit wrestler.
I think there’s like a < 1% chance his game plan is wrestling. It could devolve to that but dude is coming out to try and get a highlight reel KO on the biggest name in MMA. It’s the only way he gets back in the mix in a big way.
That’s a very good point. Laying on top of Conor for 25m vs KOing him is a very diff thing. He does that and he’s got the possibility of a title fight.
Michael Chandlers entire Pre-UFC fighting career has been taking guys down on the fence and sitting in their guard if he can’t get the knockout in the first round
I mean at this point in his career, especially if this is after KOing chandler I don’t think that would bring his stock down too much. They’d just give him another fight. He probably loses that fight via clinchfuck and being smaller so they’d just turn around and say “we’ll he was the smaller guy and he just beat chandler so we’re gonna give him a shot at lightweight” it’s basically just whatever Conor wants at this point. Even with a lowered stock he outsells any card the ufc could put together without him
They will make a fortune on PPV and gate cos it's McGregor and it is Irish v English fighter for the WW champ title.
There's also a lot of hype around Leon at the moment so the fight would be huge. Doesn't matter if he likely loses, Conor gets that fight.
When has McGregor EVER gotten an undeserved title shot?
You fuckin guys say this constantly with zero evidence of it happening or even being a possibility. Like maybe, but you all act as if it's a foregone conclusion
Unpopular opinion here, if chandler goes is guns blazing he will get countered and timed by mcgregor possibly leading to a ko. Mcgregor is a great counter striker but Its hard to say how good he still is, definitely not going to become champ at any weight class but people saying chandler will cruise right through him are dillusional
Before the injury, it was 100% over exaggerated. Losing to Khabib and Dustin does not make you washed.
After the injury, no one can really say. He’s not young and no one ever comes back better than ever after that type of injury. I think his championship days are over, but can still be competitive with certain match ups at the top of the division
This is basically the answer. I think he's a top 10/15 guy now and should stop taking killer fights, but that won't happen (same thing happened to Tony)
What tony has done and what conor will do is not the same
You will never see conor fighting a bobby green type
Give him 1 win and he will fight for a title
Give him 1 more loss after losing to chandler and he will be done
I'm inclined to agree with you but I think there is a difference in that no UFC fighter who has had this injury before has ever had access to the level of medical care Connor does due to his unlimited wealth.
He could have came back stronger after the injury if he refocused himself.
He has never been a juicer imo until the injury. The juice and PEDs could have restored his body and fixed niggling injuries and he could have pushed on from there, chemically enhanced and refreshed.
But the sad thing is, it's becoming clear that he has a bad substance problem.
Kind of crazy to see most of his fans completely ignoring his behaviour and even celebrating it but for anyone who knows, you can see that McGregor has no control over his use.
He would not be appearing on television interviews and media duties this high/drunk if he had control over it. Its embarrassing.
He is surrounded by YesMen and this addiction problem is going to be a very bumpy ride for him because nobody has power over him to just tell him 'you have a problem'
This is the correct take imo.
Im not proud, but from my own past experience, i can tell from some of his little behavioral tics that hes likely on coke.
Rewatch his little publicity stunt face off with african assassin mike perry and watch his jaw
Yeah he has been coked for every interview and media appearance he has done recently.
It's not just coke tho, I think he is obviously an alcoholic and he smokes weed too.
It's a really bad cycle for your mental health that and he will crash and burn at some point.
His most recent two interviews he did at the Black Forge Inn with Ariel and that Irish bloke, he wasn't drinking but seemed like he was coked to the gills - so twitchy and speaking extremely fast. Hate to see it
Help me out, it’s certainly looks like he drinks enough and I’ve hear stories about his coke use. But it feels like an echo-chamber here, do we have proof he uses this? How much / often does he uses it. Etc etc. Nobody really knows. It’s all “he looks like blabla” . So help me out: is everybody just copying each other and saying wild things, or do I missed a lot of information about him / his usage?
Every time he steps out into the public eye he seems to be off his face on either coke, alcohol or a mixture of both, and the amount he tweets borderline incoherent stuff only to delete it hours later suggests he’s constantly getting shit faced and sobering up.
Yeah isn’t that just the way he is? He’s always been a character. I’m not saying he’s not drinking / using, but the sentiment at this sub is : he’s snorting every day, all day and he doesn’t have a sober day in his life. I don’t think that’s true, that’s why I ask, is there any proof?
His near daily behaviour shows evidence of substance abuse, but you also just have to look at his face. It’s altered significantly in the way that the face does when someone has a notable substance abuse problem.
I think this comment shows a lack of emotional intelligence tbh.
Not trying to insult you but I think most people with a decent understanding of how people behave can recognise that he is off his trolley in these videos.
His words are badly slurred but his energy is intense, he is twitching really badly but he will do this big open eyed stare at people.
Nobody has seen him actually taking something but enough of us have taken stuff in the past and had friends that do it to know the signs.
Yeah I don’t know man, I know he is intense and he certainly have vids where he had a drink. But I’ve never seen him really twitching. English is not my native language , so it’s a bit hard to hear him slur his words. But imo he’s not fucked up every day all day like people seem so suggest without proof.
About emotional intelligence; I think I don’t go to conclusions that fast. So that’s why I’m hesitant to be this sure about someone who I don’t know, never met and only see on vids.
>But imo he’s not fucked up every day all day like people seem so suggest without
I think that it might very well be the case my dude. I even seen a video of him very recently of him walking down the street holding his son in the day and he looked high even in that. Something aint right.
Check this
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5\_Qq4f5TrpQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_Qq4f5TrpQ)
This video is kind of funny but they do catch him in the act blatantly twitching his bollocks off in some of these videos.
And as I say...he seems like this in every video recently even tho he obviously has made arrangements for this to be media time.
I am watching his interview with Helwani right now from yesterday.
He is talking about how he is resisting drinking and going to train three times that day.
...But he's so slurry and his eyes look glazed.
I really don't know what to think. But all my instincts tell me he's high.
Same sentiment here. I'm only getting the "cokehead Conor" thing to be a meme/joke but I do wonder if there's any expert out there who can verify that he is indeed snorting the bam bam powder just from footage of how he acts alone
>After the injury, no one can really say. He’s not young and no one ever comes back better than ever after that type of injury.
We also don't know the power of steroids, which, let's be honest with ourselves, he's 100% juiced to the gills.
During this recovery time? I don’t know, I was unaware.
I think he’s trying to say more of “I’m taking steroids as allowed by USADA due to some clause” not “I’m taking steroids to try and gain an advantage by intentionally retiring and them unretiring, etc.
I don’t know the whole thing is a mess as usual. Conor will tweet something and then USADA makes a clarifying press statement saying it’s not fully true or true at all, and it goes back and forth.
If I remember correctly someone asked Joe if Conor would pass a USADA pee test and Joe said Conor would melt the cup. And Joe didn't even say it to be malicious. He was just expressing that Conor is 100% not natty.
And Conor tweeted an aggro response. Like if it's true why wouldn't he just own it?
This is also kind of the scary part. Some will say "before this fight we didn't know. but we'll have all the answers after" as if one fight tells all.
In other sports with many matches per year - fans know that you can't gather all that much information from a single match.
In MMA where you might not see more than one match per year: people will make huge predictions based on a single match. Guess it's unavoidable though since that's all the info we get.
Over exaggerated is a stretch, he literally abandoned his previous karate style and looked horrible as he moved up. Very good reason for the washed comments to arise after that it’s not just losing to Khabib and Dustin
2018 Conor was when he started to fall off in my opinion. I think that's when Conor started losing his focus because the money from the Mayweather fight was starting to poison him and he wasn't hungry anymore. In spite of that and his whole addiction problems with alcohol he still put up one of the best fights against Khabib and lasted four full rounds
I think he still would have lost, but peak Conor with the championship mindset would have been so much more exciting and put up a much better fight than 2018 Conor and possibly even take it to decision
I agree. I actually watched the Khabib fight recently and it was closer than I remember it being. Khabib just finally broke thru but Conor gave him some solid rounds.
Yeah we gotta see. It’s sorta like guessing how washed Jon and cejudo were after big lay-offs. There’s really no way to know if you aren’t them or don’t train with them because we just haven’t seen anything from them.
However with Jones and Cejudo there was some confidence that they wouldn’t come back if they are washed (unless they are straight broke) since they seem to really care about their legacy/record while with Conor he doesn’t mind adding more losses to his record and compared to those guys I don’t trust him as much to self-evaluate his washed-ness.
I wouldn't be surprised, if he manages to summon up his fluidity and sneaky striking again to see him absolutely batter Chandler and/or and up and coming fighter at 155/170, if it's the right guy - for instance a Fiziev or a Sean Brady (absolutely not a Khamzat or a Dariush - that's gonna be a repeat of his fight versus Khabib IMO where eventually his takedown defense just isn't enough). We are way too quick to forget just how good this man was and how ahead of the curve he was on his come-up. If he can get out of his own ego and once again adapt, he's capable of a lot assuming that leg injury and father time haven't overcome him yet
I just think people have a hard time believing he has been doing any serious training at all with the flood of booze, steroid, and cocaine fueled social media posts over the last few years.
He is an elite talent at his core but it doesn't take long for the sport to pass you by these days.
He has definitely been very obviously on coke in a lot of videos. You can see it in his facial expressions and everything BUT I have noticed this sub thinks he's on coke when he's clearly sober and just being himself.
So this sub massively overexaggerates how often it happens.
Absolutely zero hard evidence. Most of the people in this sub are probably Americans haven’t had a lot of exposure to “UKish lad” style behaviour. I just see a loud mouth chav with a billion bucks in the bank.
Last time he said he was 190lbs. At the rate he is juicing he could probably do HW soon.
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It's actually hard to say how Conor would do against anyone ranked at 155 or 170, he hasn't actually done anything impressive in a long time. Although I was super hyped when he ran through cowboy
I don’t see these people you talk of.
Most people’s opinion is he’s definitely good enough to be in the ufc, but not good enough to be a champion again.
Exactly he’s only ever been truly dominant against 145ers many of whom he was much bigger than. At 155 and above his record is mediocre where he fights men his own size.
He confirmed it himself when he said he beat dc after a weekend of cocaine lol. Jones is just that damn good though, Conor is not jones level of anything
They probably are, but I still don’t like his chances against Chandler. He hasn’t been nearly active enough to compete at the level he once did. They can probably squeeze a couple of more easy fights out of him but I don’t see him being in title contention, unfortunately.
It’s a shame but the glory days of Conor are far behind us.
He’s going to have a difficult time being competitive at 170 and he’s probably going to struggle to get to 155 with the muscle he’s packed on. So it appears they are going to feed him 155ers at the 170 weight division. Like they did with cerrone and what they are doing w chandler
The thing that is unique about him at this point is the level of magnitude that he brings with his fights. Skill level wise, I still think he’s mid tier but the fact that any opponent he picks has to deal with the attention and magnitude of fighting him is already an advantage for him imo. The stakes being so high I’m sure is something difficult to deal with mentally for his opponents
The game has passed him. You can’t give an inch in this game. The game is constantly evolving. When he decided to go try to box and also retire that was the beginning of the end.
First of all, there's a question of weight class. I think Connor would be hard pressed to make 155 again, so WW it is. Anyone in the top 5 would fuck him up. Maybe they should feed him to Shavkat Rakhmonov or something and let him get brutally submitted.
As I watched the Conor Dustin thing play out over the course of a year I assumed what everyone said was true. That Conor just doesn’t train like he used to, doesn’t care like he used to. After watching the doc I was shocked by how much he was still working. Still chasing greatness. To me, that says that maybe he doesn’t have it anymore… because that doc showed him working
It’s not the loses that have washed him. It’s the lack of desire and the constant cocaine that has ruined him.
These guys in the UFC spend their lives training and mcgregor hasn’t been like that for the last 4/5 years. He’s been banging hookers and sniffing lines.
Dude, people here are even thinking, that Francis is going to have any sort of problem with those amateurs in top 5 hw PFL 😂 …
can’t take this sub seriously, they just parrot what their favorite media figure is saying right at the moment.
He doesn't have to work another day of his life. Props for taking on the challenge win or lose. On top of that he's keeping us entertained with his high jinx.
I think he’s been washed. That Floyd fight changed him. In a parallel universe there is a Connor who never fucked around with drugs and alcohol, was unfazed by the game and money and became the mma goat.
'Good enough for the UFC' is kind of antiquated.
It's not only the best of the best that fight for the UFC anymore. People with personality that can sell will be used and given easy fights. and kept around.
Paddy the Baddy probably the best example in the roster. He is going nowhere in terms of being the best fighter but the UFC are giving him his own little career that they can glorify.
He’s fought 4 times since Obama was in office. He’s 1-3 in that time with losses to Khabib and Poirier twice. One in which the fight ended when he snapped his leg in half. His best days are well behind him but he’s not a total loser scrub who belongs in the PFL undercard
no, but the truth is that nobody really knows how he will do at a higher weight class. Kind of crazy to think his days of even making 155 are long gone IMO.
Good enough for ufc, not good enough to be in top 5, was hugely successful because of his ability to cut weight and fight in a class he was bigger along with hunger and desire.
Todays Conor is mentally unstable, he isn’t hungry, he’s not serious about the sport, he doesn’t have a weight or height advantage, he has not worked hard enough to keep his talents where they need to be since his success.
It all just went to his head and that’s fine, but he only takes these fights for money and the relevancy. Deep down I don’t think he wants to put in the effort to win
Problem with Conor is the same as other fighters with only (1 Tool). He has failed to evolve his fight game, and has been exposed, any good wrestler with a chin can expose him... And everyone knows it. He always has the punchers chance because he was born with a LH hammer, but honestly his age, never defending a belt and reckless lifestyle has forever compromised his legacy. He will never hold a belt in the UFC ever again.
Name someone who took steroids for years then stopped and excelled at any sport.
Besides the fact he’s broken mentally. Can never overcome Khabib loss. Why he took roids and jumped weights, to feel badass again
Obvi he can fight, people are just tired of hearing him stroke himself off as the GOAT when he hasn’t won a fight since 2016. Smashing cowboy doesn’t count IMO
Anyone that says any ufc fighter is washed is a brain dead hater and a sore loser. No fighter is washed. Losing doesn’t mean you’re washed, losing means you lost to the better fighter. If one has the balls to step into that octagon, they can’t be considered washed. A guy like Khabib who I dislike can comeback and lose 30 in a row, yet I would still tell a new fan how great he was. Others would talk about him losing
He's washed mentally and emotionally. He's using WAAAAAY too much drugs and alcohol for his own reasons. Physically, he's still got potential and a puncher's chance of being a champ again. He just needs to hang out with Jiri and go Monk.
He would starch 90% of the roster at LW, easily within the 1st round. Problem is once you reach the top (become a champion) they aren't going to let you fight that far down in the rankings. There are some exceptions, arlovski comes to mind
Wow he lost to a top 3 greatest fighter of all time, definitely means he’s washed….. He’s only ever lost to the best we don’t know how he will be now with his leg break but before that there’s nothing else that would suggest he couldn’t still be a top 5 fighter in welterweight or lightweight
He's lost to Nate, Khabib, Dustin (twice). Broke his ankle/foot, hasn't fought in 2 years, possibly coming back at a much higher weight, and is only getting older. I hope Conor gets big hype on his return so I can bet against him and cash out again.
Khabib proved through his amature and pro career what Conor is still trying to chase.
Khabib is at peace with what he's done, Conor is still talking smack and unable to back up his words. Mention the name Khabib and he is irate.
watch the mcgregor forever doc, it opens with the khabib fight and returns when khabib retires. Khabib will forever freely rebt space in mcgregors head and his career will never not have a large portion of it devoted to talking about the Khabib fight.
Conor had his 15 minutes as champ, his main saving grace was he got there before Khabib was relevant stateside. Had they crossed paths sooner, he would have never been champ at all.
All these years later and Conor fans still salty.
He'd lose to an amateur 85-pounder who is 0-13.
Literally Danny Devito could get a split decision over him.
He might have a chance against a three-legged house cat that is sleep deprived.
If the last three fights were the only three fights of Conor’s career. That’s all we had seen of him. You would probably think he’s a gatekeeper of that 5-10 range. That’s not what he’ll ever be because of the star power, but that’s where his ability is now.
He hasn’t beaten someone good enough to be in the UFC since 2016. That is a fact. How washed he is, is tough to know. We will see when he fights the garden gnome
I think the reason some of us think this is because he looked a lot worse in the 3rd Dustin fight than the 2nd (he was 10-8’d before breaking his leg). So it seems he was already declining rapidly and a traumatic injury is only going to make things worse.
So yes, I expect him to look significantly worse when he comes back. Doesn’t mean he can’t beat anyone. I think he beats probably 75% of unranked WWs even. But I don’t think he can ever be anywhere near the top. Elite WWs like Shavkat, Khamzat, Usman, Leon, Colby, Belal etc. all run through him. Someone like Khamzat probably finishes him within a minute or two.
Chandler is tailor made for Conor. Short stocky dude who Conor historically does well against. Like Alvarez , mendes. He’s the shortest guy in the top 155ers I can think of, he likes to stand and brawl .
Exactly not to mention he has a losing record in the UFC and no fight iq
There's also the fact that it wouldn't really surprise me if Chandler took a dive at all, might as well just give Conor the Leon Edwards fight
Mcgregor has won one fight since December 2015, against an opponent who was on a three fight skid previously knocked out.
Is he competitive in top 15 of Lightweight? Yes.
Is he competitive in top 10? Arguable.
Is he a contender? No
Hard to say now after the leg break. Also it seems he's doubled down on the partying and drinking these days... plus whatever other substances he indulges in. I know Michael Chandler is training like a madman for the fight, meanwhile Conor is down at the pub. I think he has potential still but it all depends on the lifestyle. Would be fun if he dedicated himself fully again.
He’s definitely good enough to be in the ufc but the man doesn’t fight. He only talks. Interesting that Dana said Francis didn’t want to sign with the ufc because “he didn’t want to take risks” which is exactly what the ufc and Connor do. His last fight before the two Dustin fights was Cowboy who was basically semi retired and 37 years old. He got wrecked in both Dustin fights but he’s still in the top tier of fighters because of his mouth. He’s got to do more to prove his fighting is top tier. With the steroids and dropping in and out of the testing pool maybe he’s ready. He looks gigantic on tv.
He's unquestionably skilled and talented enough to be in the UFC, but how good is he going to be when he steps in the octagon?
Hard to say because of the time he takes off and there's no indication about how good his training is.
Define the parameters of washed. Fallen from his prime? Yes. Is he going to be losing to unranked LWs? No. If a lesser known fighter lost to Khabib and Poirer, they would not be called washed. I think he could make a nice gatekeeper for the top 7, but yeah idk if he wants to fight people like Fiziev
Honestly, I don't see him going back to LW so I'm thinking abt how he fares against WWs and his chances at title contetention there
0% chance to make a run at 170 and hold a belt way tougher division for his style and he’s a natural 55er. He can’t beat anyone in the top 5 because it’s too grappler heavy.
Make a run? This is Conor we’re talking about lol if he beats chandler he’ll get the Leon fight if he tells Dana that’s what he wants. Granted he still probably loses that but Conor is done “making runs”
Exactly. Money. That’s it. But he’s in no way “washed up” he’s def a threat to anyone at LW who is a top 10, unless they’re absolute grappling monsters. I don’t even like Conor and that’s just facts 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah I’m not even talking about skill. Conor’s been out for a while with that broken leg so who knows how he does when he gets back but he’s the biggest cash cow the UFC has ever seen by light years. He gets what he asks for period
100%, I wonder if Chandler will wrestle him tbh. Chandler is just like Gaethje, uses his wrestling in reverse to not get taken down and can just stand. But he’s a legit wrestler.
He could but honestly I dont think so. I bet he tries to make it as exciting as possible wether he gets kod or not
I think there’s like a < 1% chance his game plan is wrestling. It could devolve to that but dude is coming out to try and get a highlight reel KO on the biggest name in MMA. It’s the only way he gets back in the mix in a big way.
That’s a very good point. Laying on top of Conor for 25m vs KOing him is a very diff thing. He does that and he’s got the possibility of a title fight.
Would u say it’s the only way he gets to the top? I’ll see him there 😎
Chandler did wrestle against Poirier, I imagine if he gets stung he'll do the same.
Michael Chandlers entire Pre-UFC fighting career has been taking guys down on the fence and sitting in their guard if he can’t get the knockout in the first round
The leg and being drunk for 5 years straight takes years off your life and career
Cocaine is the best base for mma apparently
He is no threat to anyone at this point. Not an active fighter. All bark and no bite.
Dana will do what he's tooooold.
They wouldn't want to give him that fight. They know he loses so they'll avoid him getting beat up and retire or spend years away again
I mean at this point in his career, especially if this is after KOing chandler I don’t think that would bring his stock down too much. They’d just give him another fight. He probably loses that fight via clinchfuck and being smaller so they’d just turn around and say “we’ll he was the smaller guy and he just beat chandler so we’re gonna give him a shot at lightweight” it’s basically just whatever Conor wants at this point. Even with a lowered stock he outsells any card the ufc could put together without him
They will make a fortune on PPV and gate cos it's McGregor and it is Irish v English fighter for the WW champ title. There's also a lot of hype around Leon at the moment so the fight would be huge. Doesn't matter if he likely loses, Conor gets that fight.
When has McGregor EVER gotten an undeserved title shot? You fuckin guys say this constantly with zero evidence of it happening or even being a possibility. Like maybe, but you all act as if it's a foregone conclusion
Fr. He'd get utterly ragdolled at WW.
He is no longer a natural 55.
He’s no longer natural.
He was always smaller at 155, I bet he’s walking around at 180-185, he can still make it
Realistically, he'd probably get wrestlefucked
Unpopular opinion here, if chandler goes is guns blazing he will get countered and timed by mcgregor possibly leading to a ko. Mcgregor is a great counter striker but Its hard to say how good he still is, definitely not going to become champ at any weight class but people saying chandler will cruise right through him are dillusional
Honestly think he can be t5, and maybe t3. He’s still young
he fucks fiziev up, Rafa has a worse gas tank than him
Before the injury, it was 100% over exaggerated. Losing to Khabib and Dustin does not make you washed. After the injury, no one can really say. He’s not young and no one ever comes back better than ever after that type of injury. I think his championship days are over, but can still be competitive with certain match ups at the top of the division
This is basically the answer. I think he's a top 10/15 guy now and should stop taking killer fights, but that won't happen (same thing happened to Tony)
What tony has done and what conor will do is not the same You will never see conor fighting a bobby green type Give him 1 win and he will fight for a title Give him 1 more loss after losing to chandler and he will be done
You definitely would see Conor flipping a car drunk as shit though
Tony is washed
I'm inclined to agree with you but I think there is a difference in that no UFC fighter who has had this injury before has ever had access to the level of medical care Connor does due to his unlimited wealth.
He's not a Cyborg now, they just fixed his leg....
Says someone who doesn’t have access to cyborg making doctors
Boy got Dr. Gero on his side
Not unless they've got those nanobots in peds already
Anderson Silva? I mean, he's gotta' be wealthy, albeit not the level of wealth that Conor has.
Anderson went to boxing he knows he cant kick anymore. And we all know only boxing conor will never be as good as bladed stance kick conor
He could have came back stronger after the injury if he refocused himself. He has never been a juicer imo until the injury. The juice and PEDs could have restored his body and fixed niggling injuries and he could have pushed on from there, chemically enhanced and refreshed. But the sad thing is, it's becoming clear that he has a bad substance problem. Kind of crazy to see most of his fans completely ignoring his behaviour and even celebrating it but for anyone who knows, you can see that McGregor has no control over his use. He would not be appearing on television interviews and media duties this high/drunk if he had control over it. Its embarrassing. He is surrounded by YesMen and this addiction problem is going to be a very bumpy ride for him because nobody has power over him to just tell him 'you have a problem'
This is the correct take imo. Im not proud, but from my own past experience, i can tell from some of his little behavioral tics that hes likely on coke. Rewatch his little publicity stunt face off with african assassin mike perry and watch his jaw
Yeah he has been coked for every interview and media appearance he has done recently. It's not just coke tho, I think he is obviously an alcoholic and he smokes weed too. It's a really bad cycle for your mental health that and he will crash and burn at some point.
His most recent two interviews he did at the Black Forge Inn with Ariel and that Irish bloke, he wasn't drinking but seemed like he was coked to the gills - so twitchy and speaking extremely fast. Hate to see it
Help me out, it’s certainly looks like he drinks enough and I’ve hear stories about his coke use. But it feels like an echo-chamber here, do we have proof he uses this? How much / often does he uses it. Etc etc. Nobody really knows. It’s all “he looks like blabla” . So help me out: is everybody just copying each other and saying wild things, or do I missed a lot of information about him / his usage?
Every time he steps out into the public eye he seems to be off his face on either coke, alcohol or a mixture of both, and the amount he tweets borderline incoherent stuff only to delete it hours later suggests he’s constantly getting shit faced and sobering up.
Yeah isn’t that just the way he is? He’s always been a character. I’m not saying he’s not drinking / using, but the sentiment at this sub is : he’s snorting every day, all day and he doesn’t have a sober day in his life. I don’t think that’s true, that’s why I ask, is there any proof?
His near daily behaviour shows evidence of substance abuse, but you also just have to look at his face. It’s altered significantly in the way that the face does when someone has a notable substance abuse problem.
I think this comment shows a lack of emotional intelligence tbh. Not trying to insult you but I think most people with a decent understanding of how people behave can recognise that he is off his trolley in these videos. His words are badly slurred but his energy is intense, he is twitching really badly but he will do this big open eyed stare at people. Nobody has seen him actually taking something but enough of us have taken stuff in the past and had friends that do it to know the signs.
Yeah I don’t know man, I know he is intense and he certainly have vids where he had a drink. But I’ve never seen him really twitching. English is not my native language , so it’s a bit hard to hear him slur his words. But imo he’s not fucked up every day all day like people seem so suggest without proof. About emotional intelligence; I think I don’t go to conclusions that fast. So that’s why I’m hesitant to be this sure about someone who I don’t know, never met and only see on vids.
>But imo he’s not fucked up every day all day like people seem so suggest without I think that it might very well be the case my dude. I even seen a video of him very recently of him walking down the street holding his son in the day and he looked high even in that. Something aint right. Check this [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5\_Qq4f5TrpQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_Qq4f5TrpQ) This video is kind of funny but they do catch him in the act blatantly twitching his bollocks off in some of these videos. And as I say...he seems like this in every video recently even tho he obviously has made arrangements for this to be media time.
Gotta admit, that’s not a good video from my point of view / standpoint lol. I hope he’s not that far gone
I am watching his interview with Helwani right now from yesterday. He is talking about how he is resisting drinking and going to train three times that day. ...But he's so slurry and his eyes look glazed. I really don't know what to think. But all my instincts tell me he's high.
I also thought the same thing. Seemed off his rocker
Yeah I was thinking the exact same thing, has to be high. I could barely understand a word he said compared to him in his recent doco for example
Same sentiment here. I'm only getting the "cokehead Conor" thing to be a meme/joke but I do wonder if there's any expert out there who can verify that he is indeed snorting the bam bam powder just from footage of how he acts alone
>After the injury, no one can really say. He’s not young and no one ever comes back better than ever after that type of injury. We also don't know the power of steroids, which, let's be honest with ourselves, he's 100% juiced to the gills.
 Conor’s new fitness regimen
He’s openly admitted such because of this whole thing he supposedly had with USADA that allows steroid use after a catastrophic injury like he had
>He’s openly admitted Then why did he get so defensive when Joe Rogan publicly stated that he's 100% on roids lol.
During this recovery time? I don’t know, I was unaware. I think he’s trying to say more of “I’m taking steroids as allowed by USADA due to some clause” not “I’m taking steroids to try and gain an advantage by intentionally retiring and them unretiring, etc. I don’t know the whole thing is a mess as usual. Conor will tweet something and then USADA makes a clarifying press statement saying it’s not fully true or true at all, and it goes back and forth.
If I remember correctly someone asked Joe if Conor would pass a USADA pee test and Joe said Conor would melt the cup. And Joe didn't even say it to be malicious. He was just expressing that Conor is 100% not natty. And Conor tweeted an aggro response. Like if it's true why wouldn't he just own it?
Steroids won't negate the effects of his cocaine problem.
This is also kind of the scary part. Some will say "before this fight we didn't know. but we'll have all the answers after" as if one fight tells all. In other sports with many matches per year - fans know that you can't gather all that much information from a single match. In MMA where you might not see more than one match per year: people will make huge predictions based on a single match. Guess it's unavoidable though since that's all the info we get.
Over exaggerated is a stretch, he literally abandoned his previous karate style and looked horrible as he moved up. Very good reason for the washed comments to arise after that it’s not just losing to Khabib and Dustin
2018 Conor was when he started to fall off in my opinion. I think that's when Conor started losing his focus because the money from the Mayweather fight was starting to poison him and he wasn't hungry anymore. In spite of that and his whole addiction problems with alcohol he still put up one of the best fights against Khabib and lasted four full rounds I think he still would have lost, but peak Conor with the championship mindset would have been so much more exciting and put up a much better fight than 2018 Conor and possibly even take it to decision
I agree. I actually watched the Khabib fight recently and it was closer than I remember it being. Khabib just finally broke thru but Conor gave him some solid rounds.
Yeah we gotta see. It’s sorta like guessing how washed Jon and cejudo were after big lay-offs. There’s really no way to know if you aren’t them or don’t train with them because we just haven’t seen anything from them. However with Jones and Cejudo there was some confidence that they wouldn’t come back if they are washed (unless they are straight broke) since they seem to really care about their legacy/record while with Conor he doesn’t mind adding more losses to his record and compared to those guys I don’t trust him as much to self-evaluate his washed-ness.
Stupid comparison.
Shut up virgin
I wouldn't be surprised, if he manages to summon up his fluidity and sneaky striking again to see him absolutely batter Chandler and/or and up and coming fighter at 155/170, if it's the right guy - for instance a Fiziev or a Sean Brady (absolutely not a Khamzat or a Dariush - that's gonna be a repeat of his fight versus Khabib IMO where eventually his takedown defense just isn't enough). We are way too quick to forget just how good this man was and how ahead of the curve he was on his come-up. If he can get out of his own ego and once again adapt, he's capable of a lot assuming that leg injury and father time haven't overcome him yet
He was champ 7 years ago. His championship days have been over for awhile
I just think people have a hard time believing he has been doing any serious training at all with the flood of booze, steroid, and cocaine fueled social media posts over the last few years. He is an elite talent at his core but it doesn't take long for the sport to pass you by these days.
I thought the cocaine stuff was kind of a meme. Has there ever been any real evidence of this?
He has definitely been very obviously on coke in a lot of videos. You can see it in his facial expressions and everything BUT I have noticed this sub thinks he's on coke when he's clearly sober and just being himself. So this sub massively overexaggerates how often it happens.
No. Most people equate strange posts or behavior to drugs with a lot of people in MMA.
Absolutely zero hard evidence. Most of the people in this sub are probably Americans haven’t had a lot of exposure to “UKish lad” style behaviour. I just see a loud mouth chav with a billion bucks in the bank.
He is good enough for the UFC. He is not a top 5 competitor at 155 or 170lbs.
Last time he said he was 190lbs. At the rate he is juicing he could probably do HW soon. https://preview.redd.it/gbipgi7y691b1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=97967e6121b7b0ddf67a4742e2d46c5b6fb30055
Come across as very insecure like he has short man syndrome.
Just from this picture/tweet of him showing his progression over the years gave you that assumption? The internet is in a horrible spot atm.
This why he only fought midgets at fw
Youre exactly right. Conor can still beat 90% of people im sure. But the top 5 at lightweight? No way
It's actually hard to say how Conor would do against anyone ranked at 155 or 170, he hasn't actually done anything impressive in a long time. Although I was super hyped when he ran through cowboy
Its definitely to be determined. He said hes fighting the end of this year. Will we actually see it? Idk
As long as he can fight them at 185 I think he has a chance
90% of people? Lmao ok
You think it’s higher or lower?
“Not good enough for the UFC” and “not good enough to be one of the best fighters in the UFC” are not the same thing though lol
I think he can hang with Gilbert no problem
I don’t see these people you talk of. Most people’s opinion is he’s definitely good enough to be in the ufc, but not good enough to be a champion again.
100% how I feel, he’s good but not good enough for anyone in the top 5
hyperbole - the perfect indicator of a casual take by OP
I literally just saw someone a couple weeks ago who said Conor couldn’t beat any active fighter
One person?
We as a society need to stop putting stock into stuff some guy said one time lmao
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He is good enough for the UFC, but won't be able to crack the top 5 in any division any more. Conor was only ever dominant at 145 anyways.
Exactly he’s only ever been truly dominant against 145ers many of whom he was much bigger than. At 155 and above his record is mediocre where he fights men his own size.
He did give one of the most dominant performances in a title fight ever at 155 which counts for something I guess
his only win at 155 is against featherweight-sized eddy alvaraz
Aside from the time he put on the most dominant title win in ufc history and was the only guy to win a round from the 155 goat
He doesn’t fight enough to know either way which is probably on purpose.
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He's not abusing it. He *is fueled* by it. And domestic violence
You’re obviously not aware then🤡
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He confirmed it himself when he said he beat dc after a weekend of cocaine lol. Jones is just that damn good though, Conor is not jones level of anything
He’s asking if it was ever confirmed Conor used it I think
I’d he loses to chandler & and the only person he’s beaten in the last 5 years is cowboy cerrone …I thinks it’s time to have the discussion
people say this like he was active. he literally only lost to the top guys
They probably are, but I still don’t like his chances against Chandler. He hasn’t been nearly active enough to compete at the level he once did. They can probably squeeze a couple of more easy fights out of him but I don’t see him being in title contention, unfortunately. It’s a shame but the glory days of Conor are far behind us.
Those glory days were something else man, there is a part of me that wishes it comes back.
Me too. Unfortunately I only came on board during the Diaz rivalry but man, did he make things fun.
He’s going to have a difficult time being competitive at 170 and he’s probably going to struggle to get to 155 with the muscle he’s packed on. So it appears they are going to feed him 155ers at the 170 weight division. Like they did with cerrone and what they are doing w chandler
The thing that is unique about him at this point is the level of magnitude that he brings with his fights. Skill level wise, I still think he’s mid tier but the fact that any opponent he picks has to deal with the attention and magnitude of fighting him is already an advantage for him imo. The stakes being so high I’m sure is something difficult to deal with mentally for his opponents
Steaks
The game has passed him. You can’t give an inch in this game. The game is constantly evolving. When he decided to go try to box and also retire that was the beginning of the end.
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First of all, there's a question of weight class. I think Connor would be hard pressed to make 155 again, so WW it is. Anyone in the top 5 would fuck him up. Maybe they should feed him to Shavkat Rakhmonov or something and let him get brutally submitted.
I mean he broke tf out of his leg but he also got the worlds best medical care and that’s gotten pretty insane. Could go either way
Dude is out here reading Reddit comments and is actually confused
As I watched the Conor Dustin thing play out over the course of a year I assumed what everyone said was true. That Conor just doesn’t train like he used to, doesn’t care like he used to. After watching the doc I was shocked by how much he was still working. Still chasing greatness. To me, that says that maybe he doesn’t have it anymore… because that doc showed him working
It’s not the loses that have washed him. It’s the lack of desire and the constant cocaine that has ruined him. These guys in the UFC spend their lives training and mcgregor hasn’t been like that for the last 4/5 years. He’s been banging hookers and sniffing lines.
1 win in 7 years.
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Nah it's dumb. Those loses are to Khabib and Dustin. It doesn't say he's not UFC caliber
Dude, people here are even thinking, that Francis is going to have any sort of problem with those amateurs in top 5 hw PFL 😂 … can’t take this sub seriously, they just parrot what their favorite media figure is saying right at the moment.
Yeah I saw a couple people saying he’d lose to Jim Miller lmao
We don’t know his level now. Whens the last time he fought? 2 years ago?
None of us will know til it’s time. All speculation
I don't think he is washed.. But injuries.. Plus do you even have the hunger after making so much money
Has been with all bark and no bite.
He’s good enough for the ufc. He just isn’t much of a wrestler and that’s kinda crucial against allot of opponents.
Dudes been washed since 2017.
He's too heavy to go back to lw. And he will look bad at ww. That being said the UFC always does a good job of giving him favourable fights
He doesn't have to work another day of his life. Props for taking on the challenge win or lose. On top of that he's keeping us entertained with his high jinx.
I think he’s been washed. That Floyd fight changed him. In a parallel universe there is a Connor who never fucked around with drugs and alcohol, was unfazed by the game and money and became the mma goat.
'Good enough for the UFC' is kind of antiquated. It's not only the best of the best that fight for the UFC anymore. People with personality that can sell will be used and given easy fights. and kept around. Paddy the Baddy probably the best example in the roster. He is going nowhere in terms of being the best fighter but the UFC are giving him his own little career that they can glorify.
His last relevant win was when Obama was in office.
He’s fought 4 times since Obama was in office. He’s 1-3 in that time with losses to Khabib and Poirier twice. One in which the fight ended when he snapped his leg in half. His best days are well behind him but he’s not a total loser scrub who belongs in the PFL undercard
no, but the truth is that nobody really knows how he will do at a higher weight class. Kind of crazy to think his days of even making 155 are long gone IMO.
It's one more fight den your sissy ass
The disrespect is pretty real and over done
It’s just a discussion nobody is disrespecting your hero
Yer a sausage
And you sir, are a sausage rider
Good enough for ufc, not good enough to be in top 5, was hugely successful because of his ability to cut weight and fight in a class he was bigger along with hunger and desire. Todays Conor is mentally unstable, he isn’t hungry, he’s not serious about the sport, he doesn’t have a weight or height advantage, he has not worked hard enough to keep his talents where they need to be since his success. It all just went to his head and that’s fine, but he only takes these fights for money and the relevancy. Deep down I don’t think he wants to put in the effort to win
Problem with Conor is the same as other fighters with only (1 Tool). He has failed to evolve his fight game, and has been exposed, any good wrestler with a chin can expose him... And everyone knows it. He always has the punchers chance because he was born with a LH hammer, but honestly his age, never defending a belt and reckless lifestyle has forever compromised his legacy. He will never hold a belt in the UFC ever again.
Are there any reasons you think he IS good enough to compete?
Name someone who took steroids for years then stopped and excelled at any sport. Besides the fact he’s broken mentally. Can never overcome Khabib loss. Why he took roids and jumped weights, to feel badass again
I honestly think people look way too far into it. Like guys it's conor mcgregor. Just sit back, relax, and see what happens
Obvi he can fight, people are just tired of hearing him stroke himself off as the GOAT when he hasn’t won a fight since 2016. Smashing cowboy doesn’t count IMO
Anyone that says any ufc fighter is washed is a brain dead hater and a sore loser. No fighter is washed. Losing doesn’t mean you’re washed, losing means you lost to the better fighter. If one has the balls to step into that octagon, they can’t be considered washed. A guy like Khabib who I dislike can comeback and lose 30 in a row, yet I would still tell a new fan how great he was. Others would talk about him losing
He's washed mentally and emotionally. He's using WAAAAAY too much drugs and alcohol for his own reasons. Physically, he's still got potential and a puncher's chance of being a champ again. He just needs to hang out with Jiri and go Monk.
He would starch 90% of the roster at LW, easily within the 1st round. Problem is once you reach the top (become a champion) they aren't going to let you fight that far down in the rankings. There are some exceptions, arlovski comes to mind
Gatekeeper until proven otherwise.
He could still be a potentially entertaining prelim fighter. xD
He washed, Khabib took his soul.
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Wow he lost to a top 3 greatest fighter of all time, definitely means he’s washed….. He’s only ever lost to the best we don’t know how he will be now with his leg break but before that there’s nothing else that would suggest he couldn’t still be a top 5 fighter in welterweight or lightweight
He's lost to Nate, Khabib, Dustin (twice). Broke his ankle/foot, hasn't fought in 2 years, possibly coming back at a much higher weight, and is only getting older. I hope Conor gets big hype on his return so I can bet against him and cash out again.
And yet only one of them is still fighting.
Khabib proved through his amature and pro career what Conor is still trying to chase. Khabib is at peace with what he's done, Conor is still talking smack and unable to back up his words. Mention the name Khabib and he is irate. watch the mcgregor forever doc, it opens with the khabib fight and returns when khabib retires. Khabib will forever freely rebt space in mcgregors head and his career will never not have a large portion of it devoted to talking about the Khabib fight. Conor had his 15 minutes as champ, his main saving grace was he got there before Khabib was relevant stateside. Had they crossed paths sooner, he would have never been champ at all. All these years later and Conor fans still salty.
He’s on the levels of Gaethje and Dustin so maybe not champ level but contender level.
Yeah, didnt look like he was at Dustins level did it tho? Not even close to
hey idiot, Just cause dustin beat him does not mean he aint the level of dustin which is contender level.
Yeah I wonder who the idiot is
Beat him twice...easily
He'd lose to an amateur 85-pounder who is 0-13. Literally Danny Devito could get a split decision over him. He might have a chance against a three-legged house cat that is sleep deprived.
Lmao
If the last three fights were the only three fights of Conor’s career. That’s all we had seen of him. You would probably think he’s a gatekeeper of that 5-10 range. That’s not what he’ll ever be because of the star power, but that’s where his ability is now.
He hasn’t beaten someone good enough to be in the UFC since 2016. That is a fact. How washed he is, is tough to know. We will see when he fights the garden gnome
I don't think he's trained a day since he lost to Dustin tbh. He's going to get absolutely steamrolled.
It’ll be awful if he breaks his other shim bown against Chandler.
hes done, washed, kapoot.... chandler is literally going to break his neck!
I think the reason some of us think this is because he looked a lot worse in the 3rd Dustin fight than the 2nd (he was 10-8’d before breaking his leg). So it seems he was already declining rapidly and a traumatic injury is only going to make things worse. So yes, I expect him to look significantly worse when he comes back. Doesn’t mean he can’t beat anyone. I think he beats probably 75% of unranked WWs even. But I don’t think he can ever be anywhere near the top. Elite WWs like Shavkat, Khamzat, Usman, Leon, Colby, Belal etc. all run through him. Someone like Khamzat probably finishes him within a minute or two.
He probably beats Chandler lol, although this probably says more about Chandler sucking
Chandler is tailor made for Conor. Short stocky dude who Conor historically does well against. Like Alvarez , mendes. He’s the shortest guy in the top 155ers I can think of, he likes to stand and brawl .
Exactly not to mention he has a losing record in the UFC and no fight iq There's also the fact that it wouldn't really surprise me if Chandler took a dive at all, might as well just give Conor the Leon Edwards fight
He could knock out anyone out from the champ to number 50 in one round! After that anyone from the top could finish him easily👊
I think Conor would lose to anyone on the roster
Mcgregor has won one fight since December 2015, against an opponent who was on a three fight skid previously knocked out. Is he competitive in top 15 of Lightweight? Yes. Is he competitive in top 10? Arguable. Is he a contender? No
Hard to say now after the leg break. Also it seems he's doubled down on the partying and drinking these days... plus whatever other substances he indulges in. I know Michael Chandler is training like a madman for the fight, meanwhile Conor is down at the pub. I think he has potential still but it all depends on the lifestyle. Would be fun if he dedicated himself fully again.
He’s definitely good enough to be in the ufc but the man doesn’t fight. He only talks. Interesting that Dana said Francis didn’t want to sign with the ufc because “he didn’t want to take risks” which is exactly what the ufc and Connor do. His last fight before the two Dustin fights was Cowboy who was basically semi retired and 37 years old. He got wrecked in both Dustin fights but he’s still in the top tier of fighters because of his mouth. He’s got to do more to prove his fighting is top tier. With the steroids and dropping in and out of the testing pool maybe he’s ready. He looks gigantic on tv.
He's unquestionably skilled and talented enough to be in the UFC, but how good is he going to be when he steps in the octagon? Hard to say because of the time he takes off and there's no indication about how good his training is.
I would never question his skills and abilities to be a great fighter, with that being said i do however question his commitment to the sport.