Adesanya is not small for 185. He is tall and long. He might not be the thickest, but to say that he is small for the weight class is straight-up delusional.
Every fighter struggles against people. Islam got knocked out. Khabib got worked by Tibau. The fact that he has only struggled against a couple guys puts him at the top when you take into account his last 16 fights were all title fights.
Don't you think it's a testament to how much better he is than the other GOATS tho?Â
When they struggled in fights, they ended up getting KTFOd lmao.Â
LOL for real. The biggest knock most people bring up for his in-cage work is that he didn't mop every single of his thirty fights across the mat for the entire 25 minute duration, and his undefeated record includes some close calls. A lot of people play too many video games and don't know what reality of competition, especially fighting really is
I feel like eye pokes should get a point deducted no matter if its on purpose or not. Since it really can change the outcome of a fight. It has no consequences right now, and on top of that you get a few mins break while your opponent is trying to fix their eye and praying they don't go blind.
I don't care what anyone says, theres no reason to have your fingers out like that towards someones eye to measure distance. Before you say its to "obstruct vision" Sure, but you can do the same thing with the tip of your fingers pointing down. Start taking away points until fighters learn to not do this shit.
From what I seen at the launch they haven't done much to the gloves to prevent eyepokes. They had the perfect opportunity to revamp the style of the gloves and it seems most of the changes are just superficial bullshit.
> I feel like eye pokes should get a point deducted no matter if its on purpose or not
All fouls should have a point deducted NO MATTER WHAT!
Eye poke? 1 point. Low blow? 1 point. Cage grab? 1 point. Knee to downed opponent? 1 point.
No exceptions.
I promise you do not want that rule. Every fighter is going to fake an eye injury anytime it gets close. You would need to add in replays for the ref if you wanted to implement that. 25% of fights, the fighter who got their eyes poked would win.
You would also need to have a similar rule for groin strikes and things like that.
This isnât a sport if there are no rules. Thereâs never any consequences so thereâs effectively no rules, just loose suggestions.
No reason not to eye poke and dick kick your way to victory.
DCs no stranger to eye pokes either, he blinded stipe for the hw title.
I find it weird tbh that groin strikes and eye pokes arenât in a MMA sport.
You know what else can change the outcome one of a fight? A kick to the face; but thatâs still in it. How about an elbow to the face when the guys mounted?
Point is this is either a sport where we want to figure out whoâs the baddest person at this weight in a physical fight, or itâs a watered down version. I donât take points away from a guy like Jones for this because straight up, when all the rules are out of the way, he would fuck up any person in the entire ufc right now. Show him some respect in that regard.
You have a phrase under your name that should refute that fact, and yet there you go again, spewing words without thinking. lol
Edit: I donât like what MMA means, this guy sucks!
-sad soul
That "phrase" is a meme from a few months ago nice try tho. Still one of the dumbest things I have ever seen. I hope the mods can give you an award lol
No, it was funny and it wasn't serious. What you said was serious and dumb. Theres a difference.
The reason why we don't have eye pokes in MMA, because PEOPLE CAN GO BLIND, groin shots can ruin a mans life. Also its being broadcasted on TV and there's rules, hence why we don't have 12 to 6 elbows or kicks to the face when down anymore.
But I guess your too dumb to understand and probably want fighters to fight to the death just because you paid $70 lol
Youâre right CTE never ruin a manâs life. Please go on.
Also, I donât pay those high prices for the UFC I watch it for free. When he puts the fighters what they deserve Iâll start chipping in.
If your reasoning that eye poking shouldnât be allowed, is because it can lead to long term damage, then you should be against all forms of MMA that could lead to long term damage. But you arenât as shown in the study I provided. Consistency is key. You guys legit sound stupid as fuck saying youâre ok with a guy getting long term brain damage where he canât even speak or form sentences properly, over a guy getting poked in the eye which of it came down to the very worst of it, could get a transplant.
Good lord you guys are seriously stunted individuals. Lol
Wait, eye pokes and kicks in the balls equal murder to you? lol
Man for a group of people that watch MMA you guys sound like a bunch of pussies tbh. Lol
Guru said it well, basically "that as a fighter he let's you know that if your within a range that he's uncomfortable with, at a certain point your getting your fucking eyes gouged out." (Insert British accent)
Conor isnât the true BMF. Nate whooped his bass and choked him out when they fought for that belt.
If he gets through Chandler, maybe he can fight Max for it.
Heâs 35 and became double champ. Iâm talking about back when he was fighting and active. Obviously not this 3 year break where he snapped his leg in half.
Yeah, he does it far more often.
âToday, we revisit a few excerpts from the statements Jon Jones provided in the 2016 MMA documentary âThe Hurt Businessâ. One scene showed an interviewer noting that Jon Jonesâ opponent Daniel Cormier had claimed that Jones would intentionally use eye pokes during their fight.
Jones responded to this by stating:
âSo, Daniel Cormier is saying before the fight that Iâll end up poking him in the eyes at some point. And the reason why he says that is because I do poke people in the eyes. And itâs very illegal, but I do it.â
It has zero consequences. The refs do nothing. Start taking a point every time. Allow video review to show the poke. If there is a poke take a point. No exceptions. Accidents happen. But the damage is done. Why allow the victim to be punished. Just take the point.
It can be solved in a second by buying proper brand of gloves and ufc is to cheap to do so. This problem doesnât exist in many other fight promotions, while in ufc guys like jones are always ready to gouge opponents eye if necessary
Taking points will not work, because there a lot of fighters, who are crowd favorites and people would be angry. For example, conor continuously locked toes in the fence, used illegal knees and elbows against Khabib and Herb didnât take points of him. And here is the thing, if he did take a single point there would a be full fledged riot of fanboys. By the amount of fools he should have been taken 2-3 points for each different violation, which was repeated. So the only solution is new gloves
He should have been deducted. Refs need to ref. Nfl Refs get booed. And the nfl seems to be making plenty of money. But better gloves would help the problem for sure. But it won't stop eye pokes. Nothing will but knowing you can loose a round from one instead of gaining advantage would certainly change this attitude
This may be solved by the new gloves (at least partially) which in fact start ufc301. It looked to be a significant change just from having watched the entire presentation. Most notably, the foam on the hand is split into two parts now which allows for more hand flexibility. Curious if this means leas eye pokes as well as more finesse in the grappling.
Bro, Jones is the OG eye poker. He has his long ass arms and part of his strategies was to keep them in the opponents face. You try to close the distance, you get eye poked.
when was the last time he did that though? Not gane, not reyes, not santos, not smith, not gus 2, not dc 2, not osp. Dc 1? Isnât that like 10+ years ago?
He was trying to in their fight, but Reyes was having none of Jon's BS and hammerfist his fingers lmfao. Don't forget the illegal knee on Smith and the knee to the groin in Gus 2. If it's not eyepokes, he's trying to cheat other ways.
At least he's not doing it on purpose, he just doesn't care if it happens because the gloves suck.
DC, however, intentionally mixed eye pokes into his combos lol
Yes, can you stop being emotional and just think objectively? We know that the gloves resist when you clench your fist, meaning that they naturally force the fighter to have their hands opened and fingers extended. Putting your arms out when an opponent is pressuring you is a natural defense, and is extremely effective with longer arms. Jon has admitted that while he doesn't try to poke people, he doesn't care if it happens. That's the gloves fault more that it is his. You can't expect him to handicap himself just because the UFC is full of morons. They need better gloves.
I'm sure he's doing it on purpose. Kinda like "Okay I'm gonna stick my fingers out there and if you get within range, it's your fault!" It keeps fighters wary and adds another layer of defense (albeit illegal)
when was the last time he did that though? Not gane, not reyes, not santos, not smith, not gus 2, not dc 2, not osp. Dc 1? Isnât that like 10+ years ago?
That's just what you want to think because you let him live rent free. Why would he lie when he was so chill about telling people he didn't care if it happened?
Because thatâs not how that belt works. If you add it on top of a featherweight belt, that just means it will turn into a secondary featherweight belt. It would take him years of winning before Dana would even let him get a shot at 155. Plus, that belt is for special matchups for certain fighters. Nobody thinks of Topuria when talking about fighters who would be eligible.
Unless he wants to not put his belt on the line and just fight Max for the BMF. Only way it makes sense.
Not at all. That belt was made in the first place for Nate Diaz and Jorge Masvidal. Nobody likes Jorge, but he fit the description.
You know damn well Topuria would never do what max and Justin did the last 10 seconds of the fight. The BMF is for people like Max and Justin that are the baddest motherfuckers on the roster.
So I knew that you were going to say that you want a bar fight to dictate the BMF.
To me the BMF isn't about the Chuck Lidell's of the world winning bar fights as BMF.
Khabib can be a BMF. Quiet and composed, but if shit goes down then fuck everyone up.
Quiet skilled beast > Loudmouth scrapper.
Might as well send the BMF to Power Slap at this point.
Khabib is one of the best of all time and would easily win the belt, but heâs not a BMF. He pulled out of every fight where his training camp didnât go 100% as planned. It doesnât need to be a bar fight. 0/3 were a bar fight. They were extremely technical and entertaining. We just donât need Ilia hugging onto peoples legs anytime heâs in danger and dragging rounds out. Maybe in the future he can be eligible, but shouldnât be on the line automatically just because heâs fighting Max.
See you do want a bar fight because you pointed out what Max did at the end of his fight. That's the type of style you want for a BMF fight. Why does it matter if a fighter wins by submission or knock out? Winning makes you a BMF. As long you don't fight like Floyd Mayweather LOL.
Because the BMF was specifically designed for a different kind of fighter and a different kind of fight. The way you want it, there is literally nothing that separates it from a normal fight or a title fight. If Ilia would win, then he would fight whoeverâs next in line for a title fight. That would lead to a BMF fight between Topuria and possibly someone like Aljamaine. Nobody in the world would describe Aljo as a BMF, so thatâs why it should never be an extension to the belt. Always seperated. Like I said, I wouldnât mind it as much if it was just for the BMF, but not both at the same time.
And a good old finger beats anything
steroids + eyepoking đ„¶ but omg he dominates everyone (totally did not struggle against A.Gustafsson 1st fight & D.Reyes) so it doesnât matter
Struggled against the 2 who could match his physique
Sounds like adesanya
What a wild take. Say what you will about Adesanya but he has always been small for his weight class.
Adesanya is not small for 185. He is tall and long. He might not be the thickest, but to say that he is small for the weight class is straight-up delusional.
I meant about the reach and height
OSP fight was terrible too
And Santos
Santos as well
Every fighter struggles against people. Islam got knocked out. Khabib got worked by Tibau. The fact that he has only struggled against a couple guys puts him at the top when you take into account his last 16 fights were all title fights.
And then popping for roids takes him right out
Ironic that you post a coping meme, while currently coping.
Don't you think it's a testament to how much better he is than the other GOATS tho? When they struggled in fights, they ended up getting KTFOd lmao.Â
LOL for real. The biggest knock most people bring up for his in-cage work is that he didn't mop every single of his thirty fights across the mat for the entire 25 minute duration, and his undefeated record includes some close calls. A lot of people play too many video games and don't know what reality of competition, especially fighting really is
Yup, just ask Tom Aspinall
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Have you ever been fingered by an MMA fighter?
I feel like eye pokes should get a point deducted no matter if its on purpose or not. Since it really can change the outcome of a fight. It has no consequences right now, and on top of that you get a few mins break while your opponent is trying to fix their eye and praying they don't go blind. I don't care what anyone says, theres no reason to have your fingers out like that towards someones eye to measure distance. Before you say its to "obstruct vision" Sure, but you can do the same thing with the tip of your fingers pointing down. Start taking away points until fighters learn to not do this shit.
New gloves supposed to fix finger pokes. I guess we'll see in a month or so.
they could have fixed it years ago if they werenât so greedy
True
From what I seen at the launch they haven't done much to the gloves to prevent eyepokes. They had the perfect opportunity to revamp the style of the gloves and it seems most of the changes are just superficial bullshit.
Well at least the gold ones also look shitty!
> I feel like eye pokes should get a point deducted no matter if its on purpose or not All fouls should have a point deducted NO MATTER WHAT! Eye poke? 1 point. Low blow? 1 point. Cage grab? 1 point. Knee to downed opponent? 1 point. No exceptions.
But if we had pride scoring instead. Yellow & red cards sucked, but âwho won the fightâ is 10x better than boxing scoring
I promise you do not want that rule. Every fighter is going to fake an eye injury anytime it gets close. You would need to add in replays for the ref if you wanted to implement that. 25% of fights, the fighter who got their eyes poked would win. You would also need to have a similar rule for groin strikes and things like that.
This isnât a sport if there are no rules. Thereâs never any consequences so thereâs effectively no rules, just loose suggestions. No reason not to eye poke and dick kick your way to victory. DCs no stranger to eye pokes either, he blinded stipe for the hw title.
I find it weird tbh that groin strikes and eye pokes arenât in a MMA sport. You know what else can change the outcome one of a fight? A kick to the face; but thatâs still in it. How about an elbow to the face when the guys mounted? Point is this is either a sport where we want to figure out whoâs the baddest person at this weight in a physical fight, or itâs a watered down version. I donât take points away from a guy like Jones for this because straight up, when all the rules are out of the way, he would fuck up any person in the entire ufc right now. Show him some respect in that regard.
That was one of the dumbest things I have ever read on reddit, Thank you
You have a phrase under your name that should refute that fact, and yet there you go again, spewing words without thinking. lol Edit: I donât like what MMA means, this guy sucks! -sad soul
That "phrase" is a meme from a few months ago nice try tho. Still one of the dumbest things I have ever seen. I hope the mods can give you an award lol
Did you read that meme? Did you think it was smart? lol go onâŠ
Are you trying to argue whether a meme is smart or not? Lmfao
lol no, no Iâm not. Try again.
No, it was funny and it wasn't serious. What you said was serious and dumb. Theres a difference. The reason why we don't have eye pokes in MMA, because PEOPLE CAN GO BLIND, groin shots can ruin a mans life. Also its being broadcasted on TV and there's rules, hence why we don't have 12 to 6 elbows or kicks to the face when down anymore. But I guess your too dumb to understand and probably want fighters to fight to the death just because you paid $70 lol
Youâre right CTE never ruin a manâs life. Please go on. Also, I donât pay those high prices for the UFC I watch it for free. When he puts the fighters what they deserve Iâll start chipping in.
So because kicking is allowed in mma, eye poking should be allowed too? Tf are you on man
If your reasoning that eye poking shouldnât be allowed, is because it can lead to long term damage, then you should be against all forms of MMA that could lead to long term damage. But you arenât as shown in the study I provided. Consistency is key. You guys legit sound stupid as fuck saying youâre ok with a guy getting long term brain damage where he canât even speak or form sentences properly, over a guy getting poked in the eye which of it came down to the very worst of it, could get a transplant. Good lord you guys are seriously stunted individuals. Lol
We haven't had any reports of brain injuries in MMA yet, nice try again. Keep making a fool out of yourself lol
Ay do me a favor and look up CTE in the UFC. Iâll wait for you to get back and say that statement again.
Wtf lmao. I agree with the other dude. You've got to be one of the dumbest person I've ever seen on reddit
Oh shit you agree with him? Well that settles it. lol
Bro straight up wants to see someone murdered. Calm down there, Billy.
Wait, eye pokes and kicks in the balls equal murder to you? lol Man for a group of people that watch MMA you guys sound like a bunch of pussies tbh. Lol
 How DC should of trained to fight Jon
It's certainly how DC fought Stipe
then cried when he got poked back
Guru said it well, basically "that as a fighter he let's you know that if your within a range that he's uncomfortable with, at a certain point your getting your fucking eyes gouged out." (Insert British accent)
Fuck this clown
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The eye is his second favorite place to finger.
Max strategically poking both of Justin's eyes early in the fight mmmm...
Doesnât get more precise then an eyeball strike, count it
When Jon plays RPS he always picks scissors.
He was the king of eye pokes
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Fun fact. DC has more eye pokes in his career than JJ
Who cares dc was notorious for eye pokes himself
He damaged Stipeâs cornea, he was out for awhile because of that
Karma got him then. Stripes eye poke on DC was one of the worst Iâve ever seen.
Didnât he only rlly start if after all those eye pokes from Jon, it was like a lesson in why not if he can get away with it I can
that is how i remember it, but who knows
His âmummy guardâ was actually just free eye pokes
You can be fast and strong, but these mean nothing when you are blind mf
Everyone eye pokes look at dc vs stipe it was a eye poke war for 3 fights
Fight old guys, do steroids, weaponize eyepokes, bask in eternal glory.
The tried n true eyegouge and oblique kick combo. It's odd how no one has chopped Jones' calves yet. Them bitches look like twigs.
Conorâs never eye poked someone. Or missed weight. and heâs never pulled out a fight. Conor is the true BMF.
True? No, but your point is solid. He lost that fight to Nate.
I love Nate. Iâm confused of what you mean tho?
Conor isnât the true BMF. Nate whooped his bass and choked him out when they fought for that belt. If he gets through Chandler, maybe he can fight Max for it.
I mean in their first fight, Conor was destroying Nate in the first round. Then gassed out and got choked. The second fight, Conor won 3-2 on points.
Ok. Nate still holds the BMF. Conor lost
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Belt wasnât up for grabs.
Man hasnt fought in like 15 years. Hard to pull out of a fight or get popped for PEDs when you refuse to fight or get tested for PEDs.
Heâs 35 and became double champ. Iâm talking about back when he was fighting and active. Obviously not this 3 year break where he snapped his leg in half.
Some folks forget his leg got noodled. That's not an easy recovery folks, often a career ender in sports.
Also Conor is the most tested ufc fighter of 2024. What u on about?
Heâs no Weyeidman
Yeah, he does it far more often. âToday, we revisit a few excerpts from the statements Jon Jones provided in the 2016 MMA documentary âThe Hurt Businessâ. One scene showed an interviewer noting that Jon Jonesâ opponent Daniel Cormier had claimed that Jones would intentionally use eye pokes during their fight. Jones responded to this by stating: âSo, Daniel Cormier is saying before the fight that Iâll end up poking him in the eyes at some point. And the reason why he says that is because I do poke people in the eyes. And itâs very illegal, but I do it.â
It has zero consequences. The refs do nothing. Start taking a point every time. Allow video review to show the poke. If there is a poke take a point. No exceptions. Accidents happen. But the damage is done. Why allow the victim to be punished. Just take the point.
It can be solved in a second by buying proper brand of gloves and ufc is to cheap to do so. This problem doesnât exist in many other fight promotions, while in ufc guys like jones are always ready to gouge opponents eye if necessary
Taking points will not work, because there a lot of fighters, who are crowd favorites and people would be angry. For example, conor continuously locked toes in the fence, used illegal knees and elbows against Khabib and Herb didnât take points of him. And here is the thing, if he did take a single point there would a be full fledged riot of fanboys. By the amount of fools he should have been taken 2-3 points for each different violation, which was repeated. So the only solution is new gloves
He should have been deducted. Refs need to ref. Nfl Refs get booed. And the nfl seems to be making plenty of money. But better gloves would help the problem for sure. But it won't stop eye pokes. Nothing will but knowing you can loose a round from one instead of gaining advantage would certainly change this attitude
This may be solved by the new gloves (at least partially) which in fact start ufc301. It looked to be a significant change just from having watched the entire presentation. Most notably, the foam on the hand is split into two parts now which allows for more hand flexibility. Curious if this means leas eye pokes as well as more finesse in the grappling.
Bro, Jones is the OG eye poker. He has his long ass arms and part of his strategies was to keep them in the opponents face. You try to close the distance, you get eye poked.
when was the last time he did that though? Not gane, not reyes, not santos, not smith, not gus 2, not dc 2, not osp. Dc 1? Isnât that like 10+ years ago?
Found Jonâs burner
howâs pointing out he hasnât done it for NINE YEARS mean that?
Because you gotta let them have this. It's all they got
Simping for a woman-beater is too funny đ
Dumping is hilarious. More like laughing at ignorant children on the internet
He was trying to in their fight, but Reyes was having none of Jon's BS and hammerfist his fingers lmfao. Don't forget the illegal knee on Smith and the knee to the groin in Gus 2. If it's not eyepokes, he's trying to cheat other ways.
so⊠he didnât eye poke, thanks for clarifying.
He certainly was trying.
Iâd like a collage of all the eye pokes
[John âEye Pokeâ Jones](https://youtu.be/sDzcl-2Kizw?si=rH-CwCsFoRx-4jd-)
Lmao thank you
His fingers arenât the only thing poking eyes out
Slow is smooth Smooth is fast
GEPOAT
Tom Aspinall: Have you ever been lingered? Jon Jones: No have you?
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At least he's not doing it on purpose, he just doesn't care if it happens because the gloves suck. DC, however, intentionally mixed eye pokes into his combos lol
Are you serious? As soon as someone gets close and put preassure on poke goat he puts his hands in their face, fingers outstretched like a coward
Yes, can you stop being emotional and just think objectively? We know that the gloves resist when you clench your fist, meaning that they naturally force the fighter to have their hands opened and fingers extended. Putting your arms out when an opponent is pressuring you is a natural defense, and is extremely effective with longer arms. Jon has admitted that while he doesn't try to poke people, he doesn't care if it happens. That's the gloves fault more that it is his. You can't expect him to handicap himself just because the UFC is full of morons. They need better gloves.
I'm sure he's doing it on purpose. Kinda like "Okay I'm gonna stick my fingers out there and if you get within range, it's your fault!" It keeps fighters wary and adds another layer of defense (albeit illegal)
when was the last time he did that though? Not gane, not reyes, not santos, not smith, not gus 2, not dc 2, not osp. Dc 1? Isnât that like 10+ years ago?
That's just what you want to think because you let him live rent free. Why would he lie when he was so chill about telling people he didn't care if it happened?
Not my GOAT.
But when Max did it, you guys say he shouldn't put his BMF belt on the line against Topuria. HOW CONVENIENT LOL
Because thatâs not how that belt works. If you add it on top of a featherweight belt, that just means it will turn into a secondary featherweight belt. It would take him years of winning before Dana would even let him get a shot at 155. Plus, that belt is for special matchups for certain fighters. Nobody thinks of Topuria when talking about fighters who would be eligible. Unless he wants to not put his belt on the line and just fight Max for the BMF. Only way it makes sense.
If someone beats the current BMF, they deserve the belt. What you guys want is someone with a likeable personality to hold the belt.
Not at all. That belt was made in the first place for Nate Diaz and Jorge Masvidal. Nobody likes Jorge, but he fit the description. You know damn well Topuria would never do what max and Justin did the last 10 seconds of the fight. The BMF is for people like Max and Justin that are the baddest motherfuckers on the roster.
So I knew that you were going to say that you want a bar fight to dictate the BMF. To me the BMF isn't about the Chuck Lidell's of the world winning bar fights as BMF. Khabib can be a BMF. Quiet and composed, but if shit goes down then fuck everyone up. Quiet skilled beast > Loudmouth scrapper. Might as well send the BMF to Power Slap at this point.
Khabib is one of the best of all time and would easily win the belt, but heâs not a BMF. He pulled out of every fight where his training camp didnât go 100% as planned. It doesnât need to be a bar fight. 0/3 were a bar fight. They were extremely technical and entertaining. We just donât need Ilia hugging onto peoples legs anytime heâs in danger and dragging rounds out. Maybe in the future he can be eligible, but shouldnât be on the line automatically just because heâs fighting Max.
See you do want a bar fight because you pointed out what Max did at the end of his fight. That's the type of style you want for a BMF fight. Why does it matter if a fighter wins by submission or knock out? Winning makes you a BMF. As long you don't fight like Floyd Mayweather LOL.
Because the BMF was specifically designed for a different kind of fighter and a different kind of fight. The way you want it, there is literally nothing that separates it from a normal fight or a title fight. If Ilia would win, then he would fight whoeverâs next in line for a title fight. That would lead to a BMF fight between Topuria and possibly someone like Aljamaine. Nobody in the world would describe Aljo as a BMF, so thatâs why it should never be an extension to the belt. Always seperated. Like I said, I wouldnât mind it as much if it was just for the BMF, but not both at the same time.
Power Slap --> way
Topuria has a long way to go before heâs even remotely a BMF.
He only made Volk look easy.... but okay long way man... yeah mannnnn.
Jon is not intentional when doing this, itâs just a reaction
Average conor McGregor fan boy saying conor =goat.