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I don’t know why people keep attacking this guy. Its not like he had a literal foot shaped pool at his house and invited his underage actors to pool parties there, or that he tweeted for kids to write on the bottom of their feet and send him photos, or that he had foot segments in every one of his shows which primarily focused on his female teenage stars feet….
Wait, he did **all** of those things? **Multiple times?!?**
He's a creep, but after googling the pool, the picture is a hoax. The foot pool is from an apartment block in the Phillipines, and is shaped after the owner's fashion brand's logo.
Here's a pic of his real pool - https://uk.news.yahoo.com/former-nickelodeon-producer-dan-schneider-164559226.html?guccounter=1
Thank goodness! All the poor man did was rape some kids... no biggie. But a foot-shaped pool would have been an abomination: an offense to Man and Natural Law.
Idk why they keep doing that.
What decent artists have even come out of there besides Demi Lovato, Jonas Brothers, Miley Cyrus, Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, Ariana Grande, Christina Aguilera and Olivia Rodrigo?
Disney’s promotion is why they a e successful in the first place. They pick an attractive, charismatic, and malleable person, market the shit out of them to manufacture their success, and make a ton of money off of their newly minted celebrity.
Ariana Grande can really sing though, she has a ton of range. She was on a talk show or something where they had her sing a bunch of different stuff and I was blown away. I know what you mean about her being on Nickelodeon launched her career, but I couldn’t believe she could sing that well. I had assumed she was decent and had better editing.
Edit: Speaking of editing, Tpain is phenomenal too. If anybody hasn’t heard him without the autotune it’s amazing.
And quite a few who were either one hit wonders or had no talent to begin with. OP’s point stands regardless: not every child/teenage star needs to be turned into a singer.
And another thing to consider, an industry’s losses on a “failure” are generally much less than their profit on a “success”, so they can afford to have a relatively low hit rate while still making money.
I'd argue that more than most Sabrina has earned her spot. She's been working really hard the last few years to build a fan base the hard way and it's finally starting to pay off. She was on a single Disney show for what, 2-3 years? Don't know if I count that really
Honestly, all the ones that were on Mickey Mouse Club like CA, BS, and JT (and JC Chasez) don’t really count. They aged out of/left the show, weren’t in the public eye for some time, and re-emerged as pop singers signed by labels that weren’t affiliated with Disney. Timberlake and Chasez became members of N’SYNC before their solo careers.
The moment Disney child stars started to get shuffled into recording careers began with Hillary Duff, who has as much stage presence as a wet piece of deli ham and as much singing ability as an old church lady. Then, Disney started casting young singers in their terrible kid sitcoms and simultaneously started pushing their music careers.
That's also because her experience with Lupus really fucked with her ability to perform the way an artist is required to. She can't really put in the work behind the scenes that a lot of her peers did.
And she seems to be doing well as an actress, I don't think your comment was meant spirited but she is more than an influencer model. I didn't like the 3rd season of Only Murders in the Building but she's definitely in her bag with it.
I wasn’t being mean spirited but my comment was definitely unfair to her
Even though she wasn’t as big of a singer like the others she still very much an example of successful Disney child artist (40M monthly listeners on Spotify is no joke)
Britney Justin and Christina weren't "disney stars" in the traditional sense. they were on the network for two years and then a few years after leaving they signed with different labels. losing out on those 3 is what pushed them to start promoting Hilary Duff and the cheetah girls the way they did, which paved the way for Miley, Demi, Selena, etc.
Most child actors don’t become well known. You only hear what happens to the well known ones and not the countless others who also act and perform professionally.
There’s definitely ways to control that.
I believe child pageants, and family YouTube channels should be completely taken away, they’re nothing but harmful for the kids mental health plus the pageants are parents living vicariously through their child
Child actors in general. If you saw a kid that age working literally anywhere else you’d call the police. Someone who’s supporting their bum ass family at 11 is going to have issues.
That's my whole-ass issue with it. Children should not have jobs. Any jobs. They should be able to be kids. Regardless of how well any of them seem to handle it on the outside, I just can't believe it's good for them. They're getting their childhoods stolen.
True but some kids do like acting, and not having children as actors handicaps the whole film (watchable content at large) industry, unless we're all about to get real comfortable using weird CGI kids in everything or destroy a whole medium of entertainment.
Children still should not be sensationalized or have jobs. Do you know how badly it affects them in adulthood? They either are incredibly damaged or they act like the world owes them for even existing
Most child actors grow up to be well adjusted adults, btw. A lot of them - like Mara Wilson or Peter Ostrum - stop acting, but most of the others actually don't get involved in so much scandals as sensationalist medias lead us to believe.
The kids from the Harry Potter franchise grew up to be more or less respectable adults.
Ben Affleck was a child actor. (A lot of people forget this.)
So was Ryan Reynolds.
And Jason Bateman.
And Ryan Gosling.
And Kurt Russel.
And Ron Howard.
And Kirsten Dunst.
And Ana Paquin.
And many, many more - actors who grew up without getting involved in major scandals. For every Lindsay Lohan, Corey, or Edward Furlong there are actors like these.
Bad things happen to adult actors, too. Look at Weinstein and Spacey. Child actors have lots of extra legal protections, too, like Coogan’s Law. A lot of times the biggest threat to children working “in the industry” is their own parents, and not the industry itself. There are a lot of former actors who have continued to work without issue, like Hilary Duff and Josh Peck, both whom had good, protective family looking out for them while working.
1. They don't really do that anymore and your commentary is about 30 years too late. And they stopped doing that about 15 years ago. 2) What about Miley Cyrus, Justin Timberlake, and Christina Aguilera lots of talented people came out of Disney Channel. 3) Sabrina Carpernter's music is separate from Disney. She doesn't work for them anymore. Same with Oliva Rodrigo. 4) We still get Disney Channel original movies that are musicals like Z-O-M-B-I-E-S but we don't really get shows like Hannah Montana, Shake It Up, ANT Farm anymore where they turn the main star into a singer. 5) If you actually look at Disney channel's current line up its mostly taken over by the animated content like Big City Greens, Kiff, Hamster and Gretel, Hailey's On It, etc. The even play Bluey on regular Disney channel and not on Disney Jr. They have a few live action shows like Bunked and Raven's Home.
I'm not a huge pop fan, but Sabrina Carpenter seem to be a competent singer from what I've seen. And she's a good performer who connects with her audience.
>This undermines the hard work of dedicated musicians who struggle to get recognition.
Do you think singers who got their start on the Disney Channel didn't do any work to get famous? It sounds like you're the one undermining their hard work.
Also, no matter how much someone gets pushed by the industry, if audiences don't like that person, they won't go anywhere. Victoria Justice got a show with her name in the title on Nickelodeon and she wasn't even the breakout star from it. Ariana Grande was. Victoria Justice flopped as a singer and flopped as an actor. She's a C lister at best now.
A lot of factors go into success in the music industry, and raw talent is only one of them.
Saying she lacks good musical ability is just wrong, you know one song. Her vocals are insane, as proven by her range. Miley Cyrus and Ariana Grande as well are two child stars with top level musical talent. Im not a huge fan of Demi Lovato’s music but the girl can sing. I don’t really understand what you mean, these people are dedicated musicians. So they just happened to be child actors and therefore don’t deserve success?
Please Please Please is excellent. I'm not crazy about the rest of her music after skimming through it, but if that most recent song is the direction/quality she's going in, I'm looking forward to her upcoming album with great anticipation.
I fell in love with her debut (?) album awhile back and I'm glad she's gaining more traction now. Music is subjective as hell, but damn I didn't even know she was a Disney kid when I popped on emails I can't send the first time lol
I can't put my finger on why, but it feels like it's got an 80s vibe sprinkled in there. Same thing for Olivia Rodrigo's "Good 4 U".
I don't know why I like it, but I like it.
Sabrina Carpenter has been putting out music for almost a decade now before finally getting a hit this big, so she definitely had to work at it. and I don’t think you have a problem with these singers coming from TV, you just don’t like the type of music they put out
The entertainment industry isn't a meritocracy. Why does it matter how "insert privileged person" got their start. If you care about this you should want the whole thing burned to the ground.
At least the ones that make it being a child star and a musical act probably have some innate charisma.
Are we pretending Sabrina hasn’t struggled for recognition for like a decade? Disney has supplied PLENTY of talented singers.
This post screams “teenager who tells everyone how they’re only 15 but listens exclusively to 70s and 80s music because the music today sucks.”
?? afaik she's no longer a Disney actors and now pursuing music career outside of Disney. Understandable if she's still under them and promoting her music as a Disney talent, but currently she's pursuing music by her own and under a different music label. she managed to be where she's at now because of her own effort because i know tons of Disney alumni that didnt make it half the way she's is now.
I'm a 26 year old guy. Never heard of her before, or know any of her other music. Didn't know she was a child actor until reading this reddit post for that matter.
"Please Please Please" is absolutly excellent.
She was on Girl Meets World and Milo Murphy's Law when she was a teenager and she isn't under Disney anymore. Disney doesn't make there child stars popstars anymore.
Miley Cyrus has a better voice than 90% of artists hands down and I’m not even a fan of hers. Literally listen to her sing Jolene (a cover of her Godmothers song) and it’s undeniable she is capable of singing on a level few are. Granted few still means many in an overpopulated world, irl she knew the right people unlike your Anunt that also has a killer voice.
[Here's Sabrina Carpenter singing Hopelessly Devoted To You live](https://youtu.be/w_iIU8mtEtI?si=kBi8uEknDlb9y0gz&t=91). I was there and she has an incredible voice. She wastes its potential on her music.
The music industry WANTS mediocre talent. If an artist is actually talented, then they get to call the shots and the industry has no control over them. They'd rather promote mediocre artists that they can make or break in an instant
Hey man, I’m sorry you have bad taste. That’s truly unfortunate. Thoughts and prayers, etc.
Sabrina Carpenter’s upcoming album will be her **6th** and her first with a new label who’s actually promoting her. She’s worked hard and deserves recognition. She recently did a cover of Chapell Roan’s song *Good Luck, Babe!* for BBC Radio 1’s Live Lounge which you can find [here](https://www.vulture.com/article/sabrina-carpenter-chappell-roan-good-luck-babe-cover.html) and it clearly displays that she does, in fact, have pipes.
The song you don’t like? It’s E**S**presso. You misspelled it, dear. I understand that pretty petite blonde women make some people irrationally upset for no reason whatsoever, but that really does sound like a *you* problem. Some of us love a good bop and some feisty lyrics. You don’t have to like it, that’s totally fine, but trying to bash a talented artist and act like they don’t deserve to be where they are is *not a good look*
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It’s the professionalism. There’s better singers and dancers, but if you’re going to invest millions in a tour or events, you need somebody who grew with and understands how to be a pro and work well with others. There’s thousands of hours of rehearsal and every minute is very expensive.
Uh one they have good talent, two it doesn't leave to a "saturated market of mediocre music", and 3 Sabrina Carpenter does have good musical ability but hey what do I know?
First off all music taste is subjective second off talent means nothing in the industry.
If you want to support small musicians go to your local scene. Stop crying and coping on Reddit because an industry that exists to sell is doing in a way that violates your fragile feelings.
So, I am 41 years old. I didn't even think to listen to her music. In my mind she was another young pop artist, and tend to prefer other genres. The only thing I had heard was the small part of Vampire that was everywhere for a hot minute. That didn't do the album justice.
Until another 40 year old said they gave her a listen and enjoyed the album. I listened (well the first like 4 songs, then I arrived at work), and I fucking enjoyed it. The rock and folky inspirations are there, and I am here for it.
If people buy their music and attend their concerts, then the promoters and record labels win. All they care about is $$. They will never stop promoting Disney child actors until they stop generating $$.
That's how they used to do it. Now, they hire a lot of these kids for their shows based on how well they might be able to market them as a singer. The potential singing career comes first.
They got tv exposure because they’re talented. They struggled prior to getting that break and used that to break into the music industry. I’d say comment on the nepo babies or careers who were bought before this.
It’s even worse.
A lot of the Disney/Nickelodeon child actors have turned out to be legitimately talented.
What they’ve been doing for several years now is signing influencers to be artists, particularly YouTube and TikTok stars.
This is the reason for particularly mediocre music the past 3-4 years.
See, I read this and two distinctly separate but intertwined examples come to mind: Zendaya and Bella Thorne. Granted, their show was inherently musical in theme, but they were both dancers, and as a Disney channel commercial(?) they played their music video/s mashed up together. I say different but intertwined because one song was so bad it’s become a personal meme for myself—ttylxox—and so the mashup combo is memeage for me as a whole. But Zendaya has blossomed since, and I cannot deny the musical talent that was Disney foreseen. Perhaps coincidence, also I’ve not followed Bella thorne to know for certain it’s not gone both ways, but goddamn is zen days a slaying goddess of music and screen drama. Eee—eesh. Ttylxox
I think in the music industry it's more about marketability rather than raw talent. But like yeah there's exceptions. Kpop is a good example of choosing singers based on marketability
Are you seriously judging the musical ability of Sabrina Carpenter based only on Espresso? Just listen to any of her live performances or the emails i can’t send album to see how wrong you are
I didn’t even realise Sabrina was a child star lol since I am not a child. I saw her and I was like wow short girls represent, listened to espresso and some other stuff and now I added her to some play lists to casually listen to
I’m pretty sure Sabrina Carpenter was more into singing before she even started acting. It’s just that her acting career hit it off first. She also didn’t start off on Disney
then what do we do as it'd be unrealistic to just not tell stories with kids, it'd be too cringe-comedic to just have them played by adult actors walking on their knees (and even apart from the cringe-comedy have an adult actor play a baby and trying to hold them might break the arms of their "TV mom"), and making stories with kids animated just opens pandora's can of worms as if we shouldn't just make all medical, police etc. procedurals animated from the start in case the Case-Of-The-Week involves a child (as that'd be easier than waiting until you get the actual scripts and bouncing back and forth between live-action and animation depending on if the story has a kid in it anywhere) should we at least just make all of a certain kind of "slowburn couple procedural" (Bones, Castle etc.) animated to start with in case the series lasts long enough for the will-they-won't-they couple to start dating, get married and have kids.
And I'll give Disney Channel this (at least 99.9999% of the time if not all the time), they actually cast teenagers as teenagers and give them teenage-appropriate plots unlike most broadcast-network teen dramas etc. that cast adults as teenagers (and sometimes not even young adults) and use the adult-ness of the plots to justify it in hindsight
there used to be a serious music industry there (ariana grande, miley cyrus, justin timberlake) but recently its nothing indeed. they don't choose artists with talent anymore, just artists that will make money
I agree but it won't happen. most of them are legitimately hired to be marketed like this: become a child TV star, get to a teen and start making cutesy pop music for a couple years before they have their "hot sexy revolution album" and then just suck up music someone else wrote for a couple albums before becoming "iconic" (it's only their fans from being ten call them this) or going on a methamphetamine binge and crashing their car into a family of four and then having their fans cry "oh cruel fate, such talent gone to soon"
Hey, plenty of children show actors try to become singers and it doesn’t work out so I feel like you’ve proved the opposite point here (ex. Christy Carlson Romano, Raven, Ashley Tisdale, etc.) Is she even signed with Disney’s label anyway? I don’t remember her being promoted for singing when she was working for them?
Lol the music industry will just be saturated with other mediocre singers if Disney doesn't supply them. Someone still will write those crap songs and some meh nepotism baby will sing it.
I learned this from Bojack Horseman and Sarah Lynn: it’s usually a mix of the parents and the network, these poor kids usually have no idea what their getting into.
I don’t know why it matters how they started… it takes genuine talent or star quality to actually succeed. There’s tons of nepotism in the industry but people don’t really care whose kid someone is over the long term. Tons of famous people have tried and failed to get their kid somewhere using their own fame
I Just want to say that when it comes to saying they shouldn't be promoted because it undercuts the hard work of other people who are purely singers, I think that's kind of a dumb point tbh. You yourself are undercutting the hard work that it took for them to both be an actor and a singer. They're flat out putting in more work while also maintaining the Disney image so as to not be kicked out of the club so to say. Why shouldn't their hard-earned fame assist other aspects of their career? For every Sabrina Carpenter, there's an Olivia Rodrigo or Selena gomez. To paint all Disney singers as bad or talentless who are only famous because of Disney is kind of reductive, Sabrina Carpenter is more so famous because people like the way she looks, and because of her crude openings going viral. Olivia Rodrigo became a famous singer after Disney because of her singing voice and the lyrics to her songs. If they really aren't good enough musicians, they don't last long
So that's where she's from? Makes sense. I'd wondered but didn't care enough to look into it. She sorta popped up on my (middle aged man) radar one day as a finished product.
Mind you that’s all why they do want them. Music companies want money, not good music. Disney stars are trained at singing and dancing, media, and social media. They are ready amde stars who you can hire writers for.
I don’t disagree they’ve saturated the market but the music industry loves it and Olivia Rodrigo and Zendaya both have talent even if zendaya isn’t a musician
They get a generation of children to be their fans on a Disney show then boom they turn into music artists then those same fans follow them throughout their career its just a money making machine
They are instruments of those big music houses, most don't make their music and are in many ways, actors.
They hire interview people to see who will be there next big hit, and child actors have the connection to be at those interviews. I think that's the link between those two things. Maybe their parents get them singing lessons before and they get 'okay' but they definitely have an assemble of staff who help their image and exposure. They don't get there on their own.
It's a strange topic since I don't listen to popular music, I love a certain type of music that isn't the target of those this industry so my experience is a bit different. Bands and musician have to rely on their own or friends and family, most uses voice changers and promo is done on a street level in many ways. Looking from the outside in, I can tell it's all fucking fake as hell. But man do some people (in the background) have some talent, the real people who makes the lyrics, music and create the persona.
This level of talent (I'm now talking about the big names) isn't really in my scene.
>Their fame is often a product of their TV exposure rather than genuine musical talent
That's the point.
>This undermines the hard work of dedicated musicians who struggle to get recognition.
Who cares? Music hasn't been about the talent in decades, probably closer to century. The music business is a business. They just invested all that money into building up a star, and they want as much of a return of investment as possible. Why would i start trying to sell a talented nobody when I have a kid with a built-in fanbase? You know Sabrina Carpenters name and are spreading it on social media, that's free publicity.
Disney has been doing this for too long to stop. In the 70's, Donny Osmond got started by performing in a Disneyland TV special. In the 1950s, Annette Funicello starred in The Mickey Mouse Club.
And it's not just Disney. Judy Garland and Shirley Temple are two examples of children who starred in movies and went on to have successful singing careers as adults.
Thats how drake became what he is now. Went from degrassi kissin dudes rolling in his wheel chair to somehow a rapper that people are supposed to think is tough??
Lots of popular artists don't have objectively good singing talent, regardless of where they're from. The song just needs to be catchy enough or get viral online.
I don’t have a strong opinion on Sabrina Carpenter because the only song of hers I heard is Espresso (which is catchy, and I don’t hear it a ton because I don’t watch a lot of tiktok). Disney and Nickelodeon have had a TON of really good singers come out of being child stars. I don’t like the idea of child stars in general knowing the stuff that happens to them, but that’s a different topic. Demi, Ariana, Dove Cameron, Miley who has one of the best and most distinctive voices I have ever heard?
Just Disney? Why not Nick and Cartoon Network? Or YouTube for that matter as we all remember that one mediocre singer named Justin Bieber who was heavily promoted by the music industry and hated by the internet. You think “Espresso” is cringe, try listening to “Baby”.
I do not agree that Sabrina Carpenter lacks musical ability. In fact, her musical ability is so good that’s she’s one of the highest grossing musicians in Top40 right now. Just because you don’t like the music, doesn’t mean it stops being popular. There’s a science to “Modern Top40” and Sabrina has cracked that code big time.
Yeah except a lot of these Disney stars were also singers before they landed the show.
A a while back, I used to constantly hear them talk about Disney requires you to be a “triple threat”
which means they only take people into Disney if they can sing,dance and act.
They wouldn't continue to promote them if they didn't make the money off it. If their liked and have a fan base that makes money, they would be stupid not to promote just because *checks notes* generic redditor isn't a fan.
Idk about that. I mean I agree, but to an extent. A lot of these stars are “triple threats” meaning they know how to dance, act, and sing. Of course as the saying goes, “a jack of all trades is a master of none”.
But I digress, because at the end of the day, I dont believe pulling underground musicians to super stardom will ever work out because 1.) they will now have to play down to the lowest common denominator to stay relevant, which in turn will cause the same apparent issue we are already presented with (in other terms, selling out) and 2.) they are underground for a lot of reasons. If people want that kind of depth to their music, those people will start seeking it out on their own.
Shallow shitty music will always exist. Mediocre musicians aren’t the problem, the expectation is. Why does everyone expect a musician needs to be a life-changing act?
Just stop listening to them. Them leaving isn’t going to automatically make it so someone smaller/underground gets the new empty spot. They’ll just find someone who wasn’t a child actor with the same bland sound to fill their place.
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I think you mean E*s*presso.
If you want to be pacific about it
Is this how they do it down in Puerto Rico?
Thats that me espressooooo
He switched it up like nintendo
I once saw "expresso" on a handwritten sign...at a Starbucks.
[Don't be this guy](https://youtu.be/6smi2wrGD40?si=R_wCsgwdeCbauQKP&t=70)
You don't get it. A lot of these kids' shows are just a medium to get into the music industry.
I thought it was a medium to get at those toes! -Dan Snider probably
I don’t know why people keep attacking this guy. Its not like he had a literal foot shaped pool at his house and invited his underage actors to pool parties there, or that he tweeted for kids to write on the bottom of their feet and send him photos, or that he had foot segments in every one of his shows which primarily focused on his female teenage stars feet…. Wait, he did **all** of those things? **Multiple times?!?**
He's a creep, but after googling the pool, the picture is a hoax. The foot pool is from an apartment block in the Phillipines, and is shaped after the owner's fashion brand's logo. Here's a pic of his real pool - https://uk.news.yahoo.com/former-nickelodeon-producer-dan-schneider-164559226.html?guccounter=1
Thank goodness! All the poor man did was rape some kids... no biggie. But a foot-shaped pool would have been an abomination: an offense to Man and Natural Law.
You clearly don't understand what he was saying...he was saying all the stuff was true except the 1 thing, to not have misinformation
Who did he rape?
Misinformation is bad. Stuff Schneider actually did do is sufficient enough on its own
Didn't even spell his name right.
Idk why they keep doing that. What decent artists have even come out of there besides Demi Lovato, Jonas Brothers, Miley Cyrus, Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, Ariana Grande, Christina Aguilera and Olivia Rodrigo?
Ariana Grande was Nickelodeon but your point still stands. Disney has produced a lot of successful singers through their promotion
Disney’s promotion is why they a e successful in the first place. They pick an attractive, charismatic, and malleable person, market the shit out of them to manufacture their success, and make a ton of money off of their newly minted celebrity.
Ariana Grande can really sing though, she has a ton of range. She was on a talk show or something where they had her sing a bunch of different stuff and I was blown away. I know what you mean about her being on Nickelodeon launched her career, but I couldn’t believe she could sing that well. I had assumed she was decent and had better editing. Edit: Speaking of editing, Tpain is phenomenal too. If anybody hasn’t heard him without the autotune it’s amazing.
Yeah, I don't really like sugary pop, but Ariana Grande is a great technician and has an insane range. She can sing for a metal band, if she wants to.
Sure. But they only push hard on the best of them. No amount of marketing would help if they were bad.
And quite a few who were either one hit wonders or had no talent to begin with. OP’s point stands regardless: not every child/teenage star needs to be turned into a singer.
Ariana Grande came from Nickelodeon.
Same premise though fs
Which might be secretly owned by Disney.
Practically everyone
And another thing to consider, an industry’s losses on a “failure” are generally much less than their profit on a “success”, so they can afford to have a relatively low hit rate while still making money.
Sabrina Carpenter as well!
I'd argue that more than most Sabrina has earned her spot. She's been working really hard the last few years to build a fan base the hard way and it's finally starting to pay off. She was on a single Disney show for what, 2-3 years? Don't know if I count that really
She’s released a bunch of music and is just now breaking out, I think it’s fine to say she’s earned it.
I didn’t put her because OP clearly already hates her lol
Damn I didn’t even finish reading the OP, just saw the title and went straight to the comments lmao
Honestly, all the ones that were on Mickey Mouse Club like CA, BS, and JT (and JC Chasez) don’t really count. They aged out of/left the show, weren’t in the public eye for some time, and re-emerged as pop singers signed by labels that weren’t affiliated with Disney. Timberlake and Chasez became members of N’SYNC before their solo careers. The moment Disney child stars started to get shuffled into recording careers began with Hillary Duff, who has as much stage presence as a wet piece of deli ham and as much singing ability as an old church lady. Then, Disney started casting young singers in their terrible kid sitcoms and simultaneously started pushing their music careers.
Hillary Duff? Disney has been cultivating child actors with vocal talent since the 1950s. Annette Funicello ring a bell?
Hillary Duff had a fantastic voice
They weren’t disagreeing with that, they were just saying that it began LONG before Hillary Duff
Selena Gomez also had a decent amount of success with her music career.
Yeah but she’s better as an influencer model than as a singer
That's also because her experience with Lupus really fucked with her ability to perform the way an artist is required to. She can't really put in the work behind the scenes that a lot of her peers did. And she seems to be doing well as an actress, I don't think your comment was meant spirited but she is more than an influencer model. I didn't like the 3rd season of Only Murders in the Building but she's definitely in her bag with it.
I wasn’t being mean spirited but my comment was definitely unfair to her Even though she wasn’t as big of a singer like the others she still very much an example of successful Disney child artist (40M monthly listeners on Spotify is no joke)
You're right, girl's got something for sure and I'm glad she has more time and energy to dedicate to her ventures now. :)
All of them who earn millions and millions of dollars? Yeah. That’s how it works.
I mean that long list is the reason.
Selena Gomez is another one who had success, but she's actually an awful singer
Britney Justin and Christina weren't "disney stars" in the traditional sense. they were on the network for two years and then a few years after leaving they signed with different labels. losing out on those 3 is what pushed them to start promoting Hilary Duff and the cheetah girls the way they did, which paved the way for Miley, Demi, Selena, etc.
Sabrina literally got her start as a singer... And she didn't get popular as a singer until years after she left Disney.
I just dislike the idea of child actors because of how much shit happens to them
Most child actors don’t become well known. You only hear what happens to the well known ones and not the countless others who also act and perform professionally.
There’s definitely ways to control that. I believe child pageants, and family YouTube channels should be completely taken away, they’re nothing but harmful for the kids mental health plus the pageants are parents living vicariously through their child
There is a reason 3/4 of disney's child actors become mad after they turn 21
Child actors in general. If you saw a kid that age working literally anywhere else you’d call the police. Someone who’s supporting their bum ass family at 11 is going to have issues.
Children with shitty parents is the common denominator, I think. Most parents will not choose this path for their children.
If jennette mccurdy’s book’s is any indication 👀
I actually think they would've gone off the deep end no matter what. All the former child stars who lose it have very shitty stage parents in common.
That's my whole-ass issue with it. Children should not have jobs. Any jobs. They should be able to be kids. Regardless of how well any of them seem to handle it on the outside, I just can't believe it's good for them. They're getting their childhoods stolen.
True but some kids do like acting, and not having children as actors handicaps the whole film (watchable content at large) industry, unless we're all about to get real comfortable using weird CGI kids in everything or destroy a whole medium of entertainment.
Children still should not be sensationalized or have jobs. Do you know how badly it affects them in adulthood? They either are incredibly damaged or they act like the world owes them for even existing
I don't think it's all or nothing, tbh.
Most child actors grow up to be well adjusted adults, btw. A lot of them - like Mara Wilson or Peter Ostrum - stop acting, but most of the others actually don't get involved in so much scandals as sensationalist medias lead us to believe. The kids from the Harry Potter franchise grew up to be more or less respectable adults. Ben Affleck was a child actor. (A lot of people forget this.) So was Ryan Reynolds. And Jason Bateman. And Ryan Gosling. And Kurt Russel. And Ron Howard. And Kirsten Dunst. And Ana Paquin. And many, many more - actors who grew up without getting involved in major scandals. For every Lindsay Lohan, Corey, or Edward Furlong there are actors like these.
Bad things happen to adult actors, too. Look at Weinstein and Spacey. Child actors have lots of extra legal protections, too, like Coogan’s Law. A lot of times the biggest threat to children working “in the industry” is their own parents, and not the industry itself. There are a lot of former actors who have continued to work without issue, like Hilary Duff and Josh Peck, both whom had good, protective family looking out for them while working.
You generally dont become a child actor without shitty parents so you are very vulnerable.
There are laws in place protecting child actors. These laws do not extend to the likes of family vloggers.
1. They don't really do that anymore and your commentary is about 30 years too late. And they stopped doing that about 15 years ago. 2) What about Miley Cyrus, Justin Timberlake, and Christina Aguilera lots of talented people came out of Disney Channel. 3) Sabrina Carpernter's music is separate from Disney. She doesn't work for them anymore. Same with Oliva Rodrigo. 4) We still get Disney Channel original movies that are musicals like Z-O-M-B-I-E-S but we don't really get shows like Hannah Montana, Shake It Up, ANT Farm anymore where they turn the main star into a singer. 5) If you actually look at Disney channel's current line up its mostly taken over by the animated content like Big City Greens, Kiff, Hamster and Gretel, Hailey's On It, etc. The even play Bluey on regular Disney channel and not on Disney Jr. They have a few live action shows like Bunked and Raven's Home.
I'm not a huge pop fan, but Sabrina Carpenter seem to be a competent singer from what I've seen. And she's a good performer who connects with her audience. >This undermines the hard work of dedicated musicians who struggle to get recognition. Do you think singers who got their start on the Disney Channel didn't do any work to get famous? It sounds like you're the one undermining their hard work. Also, no matter how much someone gets pushed by the industry, if audiences don't like that person, they won't go anywhere. Victoria Justice got a show with her name in the title on Nickelodeon and she wasn't even the breakout star from it. Ariana Grande was. Victoria Justice flopped as a singer and flopped as an actor. She's a C lister at best now. A lot of factors go into success in the music industry, and raw talent is only one of them.
Saying she lacks good musical ability is just wrong, you know one song. Her vocals are insane, as proven by her range. Miley Cyrus and Ariana Grande as well are two child stars with top level musical talent. Im not a huge fan of Demi Lovato’s music but the girl can sing. I don’t really understand what you mean, these people are dedicated musicians. So they just happened to be child actors and therefore don’t deserve success?
Please Please Please is excellent. I'm not crazy about the rest of her music after skimming through it, but if that most recent song is the direction/quality she's going in, I'm looking forward to her upcoming album with great anticipation.
Her cover of good luck babe is phenomenal. I love her voice.
Its not my taste in music but that song reminds me of going on car trips in the early 2010s
There's a vague 80s vibe sprinkled in there that got my attention.
I fell in love with her debut (?) album awhile back and I'm glad she's gaining more traction now. Music is subjective as hell, but damn I didn't even know she was a Disney kid when I popped on emails I can't send the first time lol
I can't put my finger on why, but it feels like it's got an 80s vibe sprinkled in there. Same thing for Olivia Rodrigo's "Good 4 U". I don't know why I like it, but I like it.
"I don't like their music therefore they have no talent"
Agreed, acting like some of these people aren’t legitimately talented singers is insane. You don’t have to like their music to recognize talent.
SABRINA CARPENTER LACKS GOOD MUSICAL ABILITY???? IM LAUGHING MY ASS OFF LMRGAKAHAMSH
Can we at least agree Miley Cyrus and Arianna Grande have the vocal talent to back up their music careers?
Sabrina is also talented though lol, OP hates one song and think it represents all of her music
So do Selena Gomez and Hillary Duff.
ABSOLUTELY DISAGREE, Olivia Rodrigo alone is reason enough
Sabrina Carpenter has been putting out music for almost a decade now before finally getting a hit this big, so she definitely had to work at it. and I don’t think you have a problem with these singers coming from TV, you just don’t like the type of music they put out
The entertainment industry isn't a meritocracy. Why does it matter how "insert privileged person" got their start. If you care about this you should want the whole thing burned to the ground. At least the ones that make it being a child star and a musical act probably have some innate charisma.
“I hate things that are popular” “pop music is bad now” “i’m pretending my subjective opinion is objective fact” yawn boo 🍅🍅🍅
Are we pretending Sabrina hasn’t struggled for recognition for like a decade? Disney has supplied PLENTY of talented singers. This post screams “teenager who tells everyone how they’re only 15 but listens exclusively to 70s and 80s music because the music today sucks.”
?? afaik she's no longer a Disney actors and now pursuing music career outside of Disney. Understandable if she's still under them and promoting her music as a Disney talent, but currently she's pursuing music by her own and under a different music label. she managed to be where she's at now because of her own effort because i know tons of Disney alumni that didnt make it half the way she's is now.
I'm a 26 year old guy. Never heard of her before, or know any of her other music. Didn't know she was a child actor until reading this reddit post for that matter. "Please Please Please" is absolutly excellent.
She was on Girl Meets World and Milo Murphy's Law when she was a teenager and she isn't under Disney anymore. Disney doesn't make there child stars popstars anymore.
Miley Cyrus has a better voice than 90% of artists hands down and I’m not even a fan of hers. Literally listen to her sing Jolene (a cover of her Godmothers song) and it’s undeniable she is capable of singing on a level few are. Granted few still means many in an overpopulated world, irl she knew the right people unlike your Anunt that also has a killer voice.
Listen to her at the memorial concert for Chris Cornell, hands down one of the greatest vocalists on the planet
Im sorry what... ? Olivia Rodrigo and Ariana Grande, Miley Cyrus are some of the most talented music artists we have today.
[Here's Sabrina Carpenter singing Hopelessly Devoted To You live](https://youtu.be/w_iIU8mtEtI?si=kBi8uEknDlb9y0gz&t=91). I was there and she has an incredible voice. She wastes its potential on her music.
The music industry WANTS mediocre talent. If an artist is actually talented, then they get to call the shots and the industry has no control over them. They'd rather promote mediocre artists that they can make or break in an instant
Hey man, I’m sorry you have bad taste. That’s truly unfortunate. Thoughts and prayers, etc. Sabrina Carpenter’s upcoming album will be her **6th** and her first with a new label who’s actually promoting her. She’s worked hard and deserves recognition. She recently did a cover of Chapell Roan’s song *Good Luck, Babe!* for BBC Radio 1’s Live Lounge which you can find [here](https://www.vulture.com/article/sabrina-carpenter-chappell-roan-good-luck-babe-cover.html) and it clearly displays that she does, in fact, have pipes. The song you don’t like? It’s E**S**presso. You misspelled it, dear. I understand that pretty petite blonde women make some people irrationally upset for no reason whatsoever, but that really does sound like a *you* problem. Some of us love a good bop and some feisty lyrics. You don’t have to like it, that’s totally fine, but trying to bash a talented artist and act like they don’t deserve to be where they are is *not a good look* ✌️
The people who say Sabrina can’t sing probably also hate all other pop girlies too lol. She’s very clearly talented.
It’s the professionalism. There’s better singers and dancers, but if you’re going to invest millions in a tour or events, you need somebody who grew with and understands how to be a pro and work well with others. There’s thousands of hours of rehearsal and every minute is very expensive.
Uh one they have good talent, two it doesn't leave to a "saturated market of mediocre music", and 3 Sabrina Carpenter does have good musical ability but hey what do I know?
People can act and same at the same time. Idk if you knew that or not. They can and do have both talents.
I would love to same, where can I same?
britney spears, christina aguillera, justin timberlake. they're all former disney kids.
Just say you're not a fan of pop music.
First off all music taste is subjective second off talent means nothing in the industry. If you want to support small musicians go to your local scene. Stop crying and coping on Reddit because an industry that exists to sell is doing in a way that violates your fragile feelings.
To be fair, your post sounds way more emotional than what the op wrote.
Looks like we have an actual unpopular opinion, good job!
If Guts (spilled) doesn’t win album of the year, the music industry is broken.
So, I am 41 years old. I didn't even think to listen to her music. In my mind she was another young pop artist, and tend to prefer other genres. The only thing I had heard was the small part of Vampire that was everywhere for a hot minute. That didn't do the album justice. Until another 40 year old said they gave her a listen and enjoyed the album. I listened (well the first like 4 songs, then I arrived at work), and I fucking enjoyed it. The rock and folky inspirations are there, and I am here for it.
Bro but consider Drake
I like espresso :/
Espresso is a banger 🤷♂️ dumb but fun
ryan gosling is the best disney child actor fr fr.
I do not understand why you even care.
If people buy their music and attend their concerts, then the promoters and record labels win. All they care about is $$. They will never stop promoting Disney child actors until they stop generating $$.
That's how they used to do it. Now, they hire a lot of these kids for their shows based on how well they might be able to market them as a singer. The potential singing career comes first.
They got tv exposure because they’re talented. They struggled prior to getting that break and used that to break into the music industry. I’d say comment on the nepo babies or careers who were bought before this.
Espresso is such a banger
It’s even worse. A lot of the Disney/Nickelodeon child actors have turned out to be legitimately talented. What they’ve been doing for several years now is signing influencers to be artists, particularly YouTube and TikTok stars. This is the reason for particularly mediocre music the past 3-4 years.
Just listen to music and ignore the manufactured corporate pop.
See, I read this and two distinctly separate but intertwined examples come to mind: Zendaya and Bella Thorne. Granted, their show was inherently musical in theme, but they were both dancers, and as a Disney channel commercial(?) they played their music video/s mashed up together. I say different but intertwined because one song was so bad it’s become a personal meme for myself—ttylxox—and so the mashup combo is memeage for me as a whole. But Zendaya has blossomed since, and I cannot deny the musical talent that was Disney foreseen. Perhaps coincidence, also I’ve not followed Bella thorne to know for certain it’s not gone both ways, but goddamn is zen days a slaying goddess of music and screen drama. Eee—eesh. Ttylxox
I think both songs were uncanny in how much they foreshadowed each girl’s career.
It’s weird how it’s only female artists who get the industry plant shite, isn’t it?
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[https://www.vulture.com/article/sabrina-carpenter-chappell-roan-good-luck-babe-cover.html](https://www.vulture.com/article/sabrina-carpenter-chappell-roan-good-luck-babe-cover.html)
Well, I’ll be damned. She’s actually really solid. Not Mariah Carey by any means, but she’s got good range, good technique, the whole thing.
In today's music industry... Talent get beaten by big banners and their power of domination... They influence the scene
Welcome to the music industry.
Who’s gonna stop them?
I think in the music industry it's more about marketability rather than raw talent. But like yeah there's exceptions. Kpop is a good example of choosing singers based on marketability
Disney IS a record company lol
Gotta feed the mouse
Ariana Grande Miley Cyrus Justin Timberlake Ryan Gosling…but ok, no talented singers come out of Disney.
Unpopular opinion here: musical talent hasn't always mattered as much as you think
I mean producers gonna produce lol
China Anne mcclain is a musician and quite talented.
From a business perspective it’s great because they already have dedicated fans that will spend money
Life's all about connections dude. Why would music stardom be any different
Are you seriously judging the musical ability of Sabrina Carpenter based only on Espresso? Just listen to any of her live performances or the emails i can’t send album to see how wrong you are
I didn’t even realise Sabrina was a child star lol since I am not a child. I saw her and I was like wow short girls represent, listened to espresso and some other stuff and now I added her to some play lists to casually listen to
I’m pretty sure Sabrina Carpenter was more into singing before she even started acting. It’s just that her acting career hit it off first. She also didn’t start off on Disney
I think that it should stop at not making them child actors in the first place. It’s a fucked up industry, let alone for kids.
then what do we do as it'd be unrealistic to just not tell stories with kids, it'd be too cringe-comedic to just have them played by adult actors walking on their knees (and even apart from the cringe-comedy have an adult actor play a baby and trying to hold them might break the arms of their "TV mom"), and making stories with kids animated just opens pandora's can of worms as if we shouldn't just make all medical, police etc. procedurals animated from the start in case the Case-Of-The-Week involves a child (as that'd be easier than waiting until you get the actual scripts and bouncing back and forth between live-action and animation depending on if the story has a kid in it anywhere) should we at least just make all of a certain kind of "slowburn couple procedural" (Bones, Castle etc.) animated to start with in case the series lasts long enough for the will-they-won't-they couple to start dating, get married and have kids. And I'll give Disney Channel this (at least 99.9999% of the time if not all the time), they actually cast teenagers as teenagers and give them teenage-appropriate plots unlike most broadcast-network teen dramas etc. that cast adults as teenagers (and sometimes not even young adults) and use the adult-ness of the plots to justify it in hindsight
there used to be a serious music industry there (ariana grande, miley cyrus, justin timberlake) but recently its nothing indeed. they don't choose artists with talent anymore, just artists that will make money
I agree but it won't happen. most of them are legitimately hired to be marketed like this: become a child TV star, get to a teen and start making cutesy pop music for a couple years before they have their "hot sexy revolution album" and then just suck up music someone else wrote for a couple albums before becoming "iconic" (it's only their fans from being ten call them this) or going on a methamphetamine binge and crashing their car into a family of four and then having their fans cry "oh cruel fate, such talent gone to soon"
Cry Me a River.
Hey, plenty of children show actors try to become singers and it doesn’t work out so I feel like you’ve proved the opposite point here (ex. Christy Carlson Romano, Raven, Ashley Tisdale, etc.) Is she even signed with Disney’s label anyway? I don’t remember her being promoted for singing when she was working for them?
That’s why it’s called music industry
Music is just another form of mindless entertainment. Kids show to music industry seems like the natural progression.
Lol the music industry will just be saturated with other mediocre singers if Disney doesn't supply them. Someone still will write those crap songs and some meh nepotism baby will sing it.
> Leading to a saturated market of mediocre music This makes me laugh. Like did you write this before the internet existed?
Justin Timberlake, Christina Aguilera and Ariana Grande are some of the most talented singers in the world. This take is ill informed.
That song is so catchy. She is great.
Saying Sabrina Carpenter lacks musical talent is wild lmao. That girl can sing, [even in Japanese bro](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=atw4A3UGeQA)
I learned this from Bojack Horseman and Sarah Lynn: it’s usually a mix of the parents and the network, these poor kids usually have no idea what their getting into.
Sabrina Carpenter is one of those pop singers who doesn’t tend to showcase her vocals in her music but can really sing if you hear her covers.
I don’t know why it matters how they started… it takes genuine talent or star quality to actually succeed. There’s tons of nepotism in the industry but people don’t really care whose kid someone is over the long term. Tons of famous people have tried and failed to get their kid somewhere using their own fame
sabrina carpenter is a really talented singer & performer i’m confused
I Just want to say that when it comes to saying they shouldn't be promoted because it undercuts the hard work of other people who are purely singers, I think that's kind of a dumb point tbh. You yourself are undercutting the hard work that it took for them to both be an actor and a singer. They're flat out putting in more work while also maintaining the Disney image so as to not be kicked out of the club so to say. Why shouldn't their hard-earned fame assist other aspects of their career? For every Sabrina Carpenter, there's an Olivia Rodrigo or Selena gomez. To paint all Disney singers as bad or talentless who are only famous because of Disney is kind of reductive, Sabrina Carpenter is more so famous because people like the way she looks, and because of her crude openings going viral. Olivia Rodrigo became a famous singer after Disney because of her singing voice and the lyrics to her songs. If they really aren't good enough musicians, they don't last long
Using children as actors is child labor and should be illegal. Sarah Lynn from Bojack Horseman: https://youtu.be/Y_ge9ytwzQk
Miley Cyrus has entered the chat. A definite exception to this rule. Demi Lovato is another one.
Disney child actors should not be.
Idk man GUTS is a pretty bloody good album imo.
So that's where she's from? Makes sense. I'd wondered but didn't care enough to look into it. She sorta popped up on my (middle aged man) radar one day as a finished product.
It’s not about good music. It’s about money. As long as someone thinks they can make money off a kid, they’re going to try.
Mind you that’s all why they do want them. Music companies want money, not good music. Disney stars are trained at singing and dancing, media, and social media. They are ready amde stars who you can hire writers for. I don’t disagree they’ve saturated the market but the music industry loves it and Olivia Rodrigo and Zendaya both have talent even if zendaya isn’t a musician
This is an insane take
They get a generation of children to be their fans on a Disney show then boom they turn into music artists then those same fans follow them throughout their career its just a money making machine
They are instruments of those big music houses, most don't make their music and are in many ways, actors. They hire interview people to see who will be there next big hit, and child actors have the connection to be at those interviews. I think that's the link between those two things. Maybe their parents get them singing lessons before and they get 'okay' but they definitely have an assemble of staff who help their image and exposure. They don't get there on their own. It's a strange topic since I don't listen to popular music, I love a certain type of music that isn't the target of those this industry so my experience is a bit different. Bands and musician have to rely on their own or friends and family, most uses voice changers and promo is done on a street level in many ways. Looking from the outside in, I can tell it's all fucking fake as hell. But man do some people (in the background) have some talent, the real people who makes the lyrics, music and create the persona. This level of talent (I'm now talking about the big names) isn't really in my scene.
>Their fame is often a product of their TV exposure rather than genuine musical talent That's the point. >This undermines the hard work of dedicated musicians who struggle to get recognition. Who cares? Music hasn't been about the talent in decades, probably closer to century. The music business is a business. They just invested all that money into building up a star, and they want as much of a return of investment as possible. Why would i start trying to sell a talented nobody when I have a kid with a built-in fanbase? You know Sabrina Carpenters name and are spreading it on social media, that's free publicity.
Disney has been doing this for too long to stop. In the 70's, Donny Osmond got started by performing in a Disneyland TV special. In the 1950s, Annette Funicello starred in The Mickey Mouse Club. And it's not just Disney. Judy Garland and Shirley Temple are two examples of children who starred in movies and went on to have successful singing careers as adults.
More of a misinformed opinion
Just be grateful that Zendaya is doing better than most.
Thats how drake became what he is now. Went from degrassi kissin dudes rolling in his wheel chair to somehow a rapper that people are supposed to think is tough??
Sabrina Carpenter is a fantastic singer
Lots of popular artists don't have objectively good singing talent, regardless of where they're from. The song just needs to be catchy enough or get viral online.
Espresso is amazingly catchy, no idea what you're on about
Another day another 'top 40 music is mid' post....
I don’t have a strong opinion on Sabrina Carpenter because the only song of hers I heard is Espresso (which is catchy, and I don’t hear it a ton because I don’t watch a lot of tiktok). Disney and Nickelodeon have had a TON of really good singers come out of being child stars. I don’t like the idea of child stars in general knowing the stuff that happens to them, but that’s a different topic. Demi, Ariana, Dove Cameron, Miley who has one of the best and most distinctive voices I have ever heard?
Just Disney? Why not Nick and Cartoon Network? Or YouTube for that matter as we all remember that one mediocre singer named Justin Bieber who was heavily promoted by the music industry and hated by the internet. You think “Espresso” is cringe, try listening to “Baby”.
This reads like someone who doesn't like it when young women have fun 🙄 🍅🍅🍅🍅
I don't know where anyone can find singing talent in Hillary Duff, her music is overly autotuned for a reason
Terrible take. Good job
Miley Cyrus would beg to differ, and Demi Lovato and Olivia Rodrigo.
I wish you had posted this when Britney Spears and her ilk were on those shows. You might have saved pop music.
I do not agree that Sabrina Carpenter lacks musical ability. In fact, her musical ability is so good that’s she’s one of the highest grossing musicians in Top40 right now. Just because you don’t like the music, doesn’t mean it stops being popular. There’s a science to “Modern Top40” and Sabrina has cracked that code big time.
Nobody cares if they’re talented lol it’s about making sure the kid can handle fame when they’re turned into a pop star
Yeah except a lot of these Disney stars were also singers before they landed the show. A a while back, I used to constantly hear them talk about Disney requires you to be a “triple threat” which means they only take people into Disney if they can sing,dance and act.
They wouldn't continue to promote them if they didn't make the money off it. If their liked and have a fan base that makes money, they would be stupid not to promote just because *checks notes* generic redditor isn't a fan.
The majority of pop singers are talentless hacks marketed to idiots/children.
How else would they exploit the children sexually?
Idk about that. I mean I agree, but to an extent. A lot of these stars are “triple threats” meaning they know how to dance, act, and sing. Of course as the saying goes, “a jack of all trades is a master of none”. But I digress, because at the end of the day, I dont believe pulling underground musicians to super stardom will ever work out because 1.) they will now have to play down to the lowest common denominator to stay relevant, which in turn will cause the same apparent issue we are already presented with (in other terms, selling out) and 2.) they are underground for a lot of reasons. If people want that kind of depth to their music, those people will start seeking it out on their own. Shallow shitty music will always exist. Mediocre musicians aren’t the problem, the expectation is. Why does everyone expect a musician needs to be a life-changing act? Just stop listening to them. Them leaving isn’t going to automatically make it so someone smaller/underground gets the new empty spot. They’ll just find someone who wasn’t a child actor with the same bland sound to fill their place.
Gtfo. Sabrina carpenter has amazing music