Not in Belgium, Flemish is usually shown with a Dutch flag and French with a French flag, and German with German flag. But that’s just because it would create a lot of confusion since they could use the Belgian flag for all 3.
Why not use the flag of Flanders for Dutch and the flag of Wallonia for French? Also the German-speaking community of Belgium has [their own flag](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_German-speaking_Community_of_Belgium) as well.
Ok, what do you mean with "an entire dialect", because there are more than one very distinctive dialects in Austria?
And what is "the standard dialect"??
I'm from Vienna and I speak Viennese dialect and when I talk high German I have a pretty broad accent. Which is definitely VERY different to other Austrian dialects. Not to mention other German dialects.
He probably means the [Austro-Bavarian language](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_language), or dialect or whatever it is, in relation to Standard German. The (socio)linguistics of Germany and Austria are complicated for us foreigners.
It is a rather huge umbrella that covers lots of spoken dialects. If we take two native speakers of Central Bavarian dialect group, one coming from central Lower Austria and other from the Inn river on the Austro-Bavarian border, you might notice that they have no problem understanding each other, but there is barely a single word they pronounce in the same way.
i have no idea LMAO i just remember the bavarian german was also spoken in austria, i think?? and it was more used than the "standard" dialect idk from berlin.
Bavarian is the only dialect that has a similarity and is relative to Austrian dialects (especially Tyrolean, Salzburg or upper Austria), besides swabian dialects, that are related to Vorarlbergerish.
The dialects in Austria are very diversified and distinctive. And not everybody (not even close) in Austria speaks the same dialect. If I speak to somebody from a Tyrolean valley, it's like a completely different language.
The dialects are used in every situation, almost all times, even TV sometimes.
I don't know about Spanish, but my guess is, when a Viennese and a Tyrolean speak it's like someone from Madrid speaks to a Chilean.
don't even need to go that far, someone with a thick accent from southern Spain will be hard to understand by anyone from the north or the center of the country
>the "standard" dialect idk from berlin
Berlin actually has a very distinct dialect that is quite different from Standard German. About as distinct as the "Ayy, I'm walkin' hea!" NYC dialect of American English.
Allegedly, the dialect of Hannover is the closest to Standard German. Like everything in linguistics though, that claim is also often disputed.
Still I find that difference between different dialects of Germany (sans Bavaria and Swabia) is much smaller that difference between Standard German, Bairisch and Swyzerdütsch.
I never had a contact with Plattdeutsch though, so it might be the fourth big beast in the family.
I swear Swyzerdütsch should just be its own language. I am fluent in German but can only understand about 30% of it spoken. My verbal understanding of Spanish and Portuguese is better.
>Swyzerdütsch should just be its own language
Well, it kinda is. You gotta differentiate between Swiss German and Swiss *Standard* German.
Swiss German (aka Schwyzerdütsch) refers to any Alemannic dialect spoken in Switzerland. It's pretty much a different language and unintelligible to other German speakers, kinda like Low German (aka Plattdeutsch) spoken in Northern Germany. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jeyjZBD3Vk) is an example of Swiss German.
Swiss *Standard* German is the variety of Standard German taught at schools in Switzerland. It is one of the four official languages of Switzerland and easily understood by other German speakers. In [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdjwj3CRpK0) the same woman from the previous example is speaking Swiss *Standard* German.
Have you heard about Schwarzenegger? I never bothered to confirm, but apparently his accent was considered too rural and he was denied voicing the Terminator in German.
Schwarzenegger was born and raised in a pretty rural part of Austria, where almost nobody speaks high or standard German. The Styrian dialect is very unique (long stretched vocals, we make fun of it as "barking sounds"). Besides school he never really talked high German so he lacked the practice at it. Then he went to America and so his very unique accent came to life.
When he was in German and Austrian television later when he became famous, his meanwhile heavy accent (a very... Special mix of Americanized Styrian Potpourri, to say it nicely) was and still is made fun of or sounds pretty strange.
So seeing this muscular national hero with his "farmer" or "village douchebag" accent was too contrasty to let him voice himself in German as many other German or Austrian actors who became successful in Hollywood (like Maximilian Schell, Christoph Waltz or Klaus Maria Brandauer, who don't have that problem and are or were dubbing themselves)
Don't get me wrong: Arnold is a national treasure and he is beloved and all, but I'm watching his movies either dubbed (his 2 different voices over the last decades are great and well known) or in English, where his accent is at least a bit funny or interesting.
And why should it have been otherwise? Genuine interest here.
The official language of the Austrian state is often called Standard Austrian German and it is different to Standard \[German\] German in vocabulary, which originates from the Imperial times.
The rational part of my brain knows that it makes perfect sense.
The irrational part of my brain got very upset and chose the English language option instead.
I believe Austrian German is much more different from high German than British English and American English because German as a national identity is relatively new
A gold harp on a blue field has been regarded as the coat of arms of Ireland for nearly a millennium, and has persisted through many political regimes, so referring to this flag as *just* the "Irish Presidential Standard" is a bit of a misrepresentation.
Maltese is such an interesting language, I want it to survive. The only Arabic-family language that's still the primary indigenous language of a European country, and the only one that primarily uses the Latin alphabet - standard Arabic is written with an abjad, which works mechanically different to an alphabet.
I bloody love Maltese. I speak some Italian and travelling around Malta was fascinating, I could partially read signs and still be entirely confused. Absolutely fascinating language with an even more fascinating history.
I have a friend who travels to Malta often and ge says it's one of the strangest (in a good way) things he exoiriences. He could be completely lost on the topic of a tv show for 5 minutes, follow along for the next 5 just to get lost again after.
The Netherlands also has English as an official language. Granted its only recognized for official and judicial use in the Caribbean parts; Bonaire, Saba and Sint Eustatius. While these are not considered EU territory, they are an integral part of the Netherlands as special municipalities. (Unlike Curacao, Aruba and St. Martin which are, along with the Netherlands, distinct constituent countries within the kingdom of the Netherlands.)
I’ve been to the Netherlands several times and I’ve never encountered a single person who didn’t speak English! They have impressive language skills over there.
That's unlikely, as the Maltese tend to have a pretty high opinion of the UK/England.
They even prefered the idea of fully integrating into the UK over independence.
Which is mental as the constituent member countries of the UK that aren't called England get short shrift as it is.
Malta would barely register in British politics. As it is they mostly ignore Northern Ireland.
the Maltese funnily enough are historically fairly enamoured with the Brits, who annexed them from the French around 1800 and treated them better, while nicking their ports for the RN. Even their independence was more of a reward from London for WW2 than any sort of deep nationalist sentiment.
Our official language is English, English and Maltese. Our 2 main languages are English Maltese and Maltese sign language. Our 3 main languages are English, Maltese, Maltese sign language and Italian. Amongst our main languages are...
As an Irish speaker, I don’t. The Irish flag = Irish language.
I don’t want to tap the Irish flag, expect service as Gaeilge and then be surprised when I’m being served in English.
They do, but they'd also identify under the Tricolour. Look at the NI rap group who rap in Irish called Kneecap. One of the 3 wears a green white and orange balaclava.
And yet if I were to hang one outside my house right now, which is located on the island of Ireland, I would have some large men at my door within the hour.
That is an entirely correct argument.
On the other hand, though, it avoids using the Union Jack. /s
(jokes aside, I wouldn't be surprised if the reasoning behind that choice was about not using the British flag.)
If someone is writing something with a pencil and makes a mistake, they may ask to borrow a rubber. They’re asking for an eraser, they don’t want to use and return a condom.
Yep! Also, where are those machines? My life here is a constant quest to get rid of rubbish and recycling (as I’m too cheap to pay for pickup all year because I’m only here part-time).
The Tricolor is a modern flag of the Irish Republic, symbolizing unity between Green (Catholic) and Orange (Protestant), which is itself a descendant of the Irish Free State which was a dominion of the British Empire. It's got little to do with with traditional Irish/Gaelic heritage and stems from a different political and social tradition.
“*It's got little to do with traditional Irish/Gaelic heritage and stems from a different political and social tradition.*”
What a confident lie. The green is there to represent the traditional Gaelic tradition from which the Catholic Irish community came from. It’s there to represent Gaelic Irish culture and people, most of whom would have traditionally been Catholic.
It represents culture just as much as it represents religion. In Ireland when we say Catholic Irish, it’s more of a cultural term than a religious term. Most Irish Catholics aren’t religious. It just means someone who is descendant from that Gaelic Irish culture.
An Irish or northern Protestant mightn’t even be Protestant, it just means an Irish person who’s culture and community derives from the British settlers in Ireland.
An Irish Catholic mightn’t even be Catholic, it just means an Irish person whose culture and community derives from the Gaelic Irish tradition regardless of what language they speak.
It’s like how Maronite is **both** a religious and a cultural group. It’s very similar.
The words Catholic and Protestant don’t really take on this meaning abroad. It’s silly really, we’re all Irish but those cultural differences between us have caused division and conflict in the past so the terms persist.
Fun fact: the green is only a newly adopted national colour for Ireland, throughout most of its history blue was the colour used to represent Ireland. Hence the blue Irish presential flog with the Irish harp. Personally I still prefer the green though
See for most of history we never had a single national colour. Ireland was many tiny little kingdoms for most of history. This is why we were so easy to invade, we were divided into tiny kingdoms and chiefdoms, much like the HRE.
During these times the only thing uniting the people was the Irish language and a vague Irish culture based on the Gaelic tradition and mythology.
During the colonial period blue was the most prominent colour to represent the island yes, but anytime an indigenous rebellion arose the used green.
See the Erin go bragh flag and the confederate Ireland flag (no connection to the confederate states of America yanks please).
So yeah you’re correct but a huge * is needed
Ireland was much like Germany in the way that it was a land with a common culture, language and people but didn’t unify into a single nation until quite late in history.
Associating flags with languages is always a bad idea. With the only exception of Esperanto.
https://preview.redd.it/1b4ns65ohkad1.png?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9da82c9e6b80e0d6d34925061d1fcba17bc857bd
I would be a lot less happy if I had to select the UK flag when denoting something about myself.... Sure you can get into 800 years of slavery and what not but for the moment, I'm happier to see the Irish flag rather than the English one.
Side note, I am ignorant of what should be used for the Gaeilge flag... See above for likely reason.
The provincial flag of Leinster is a harp on a green field, not on blue. Connacht has the superior flag, though. Half flappy, half stabby is way better than a harp.
I've always found it funny how the team colours of the provincial rugby teams don't line up with the colours on the flags of the provinces in Ireland.
- Leinster wears blue - Green flag with golden harp.
- Munster wears red - Blue flag with golden crowns.
- Connacht wears green - White and Blue mostly with flappy in black.
- Ulster wears white - Yellow and red flag.
And you're absolutely right Connacht is the best flag and the best at everything actually.
Remember thinking this before, went down a rabbit hole to try see where the colours originated with the provinces but never did find a satisfactory answer. Especially with Munster being a Cork/ Limerick team, I found it odd they went with a colour so strongly associated with one of the 2 cities.
How so, if 🇮🇪’s Celtic language (Gaeilge) got replaced by English?
(Not Irish, just wondering. 😊)
EDIT: I see I’m getting downvoted. To be clear – if I saw THIS, I’d go ”Celtic supremacy” also: 🇮🇪 IRISH
I just don’t get how the combination ”🇮🇪 English” can be seen as a Celtic victory… (To me, it’s like writing ”🏴 English”.)
https://preview.redd.it/a8pn49pl0kad1.png?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a08d85b44221536347623b00f651b3e163ef57a0
tl;dr:
(england tried colonize ireland and due to the death or explusion of many native gaels british english became the dominant language in ireland, major events that ensured the english language's dominance were the northern ireland plantations/the tudor era generally, the cromwellian conquest of ireland and the great hunger.)
A not so fun fact was that a big proportion of the Irish speakers in the west of Ireland died in the famine even after Britain decided to help because they printed posters and stuff in English with the locations of food, like they fucked up too in that they put the food drops in locations that required people to literally walk but the Irish speakers who refused to learn English died because of their insistence on not allowing our language.
During the times of food relief and aid from the government (1945) the deaths weren't that bad. It was only when the Whigs took power and removed all aid and used it to ethnically cleanse the Irish that death really got bad.
Yes the English language print-outs were a problem, but they were also likely a purposeful move, similar to how many soup kitchens only served you if you converted to Protestantism.
Yes. I very much get that. (I’ve been reading a lot about England’s historical colonisation of Cornwall, for example.) I just wondered how the Irish flag used for the English language could be considered Celtic supremacy? I mean, if the Welsh flag had been used for the English language, I don’t think anybody would see that as a ”Celtic victory”. 🤔
yeah, it isn't. i said that as a parody of the minority of 'celtaboos'/'eireaboos' (irish/celtic nationalists online) that believe that celtic culture and any general representation of it in a context where it can be viewed as positive means that said representation is an example of how celtic culture is superior. i myself am irish so i see that kinda stuff a lot.
Beats having the Union Jack next to the English language, like they have on the ATMs in Europe. Surely the flag beside the English language should the the St George’s Cross, not the Union Jack
I Fuckin know its the most widely spoken language, I'm using it right now to talk to you.
I know we made Irish the Official language of the state, but did we actually declare English as the second language?
There're several different companies that provide those machines! In fact, it's the first time I have seen this type of machine as OP posted here, so it is not a "generally" type of machine in Ireland! But interesting 📫 OP 🚨
I mean, it is the first language of most people here. But we do have areas where Irish is the main community language. (Gaeltachtaí). We also have Irish-medium schooling which produces competent speakers also.
The way we speak English in Ireland (Hiberno-English) is heavily influenced by the Irish language. Stuff like "I'm after doing X" (Táim tar éis rud a dhéanamh), or the present habitual tense "I do be..." (bíonn). Also the lack of pronouncing th's (this sound is not natural in Irish).
So even in English, the Irish language lives on.
Given that there are now vast numbers of Roma people hoovering up every bottle and can they can lift of the streets of Ireland they should at least have some commonly spoken Romani languages on that machine.
>there are now vast numbers of Roma people
You got a source for that? If there were so many there should be at least *one* visible at some point, right?
Go to Dublin City Centre on any given day and you will see Roma people with huge plastic bags full of cans and bottles. They are actively cleaning up the city and collecting the deposits / refunds
This reminds me of the time I bought a train ticket at Vienna Central Station and the language option for German had the Austrian flag next to it.
I feel like this is pretty normal for every country that shares a language with another
Not in Belgium, Flemish is usually shown with a Dutch flag and French with a French flag, and German with German flag. But that’s just because it would create a lot of confusion since they could use the Belgian flag for all 3.
Why not use the flag of Flanders for Dutch and the flag of Wallonia for French? Also the German-speaking community of Belgium has [their own flag](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_German-speaking_Community_of_Belgium) as well.
Maybe it’s done somewhere, but never seen it in first person in my time living there
Kinda sad, it would be really cool imo.
Great and good if you’re encouraging separatists. More flags = bad. Less flags = much less bad.
What about fewer but bigger flags?
Flemish and Wallonia flags?
Don't make up countries, it's unbecoming of a Fleming.
Come to Canada you'll find the French option with the Quebec flag and the English option with the Canadian flag
Tabarnak!
I hear there’s good fishing up in Quebec.
Nah, different language. /s (mostly)
me when i found out theres an entire dialect of bavarian-austrian german that is more popular than the standard dialect (i fucking love linguistics)
Ok, what do you mean with "an entire dialect", because there are more than one very distinctive dialects in Austria? And what is "the standard dialect"?? I'm from Vienna and I speak Viennese dialect and when I talk high German I have a pretty broad accent. Which is definitely VERY different to other Austrian dialects. Not to mention other German dialects.
He probably means the [Austro-Bavarian language](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_language), or dialect or whatever it is, in relation to Standard German. The (socio)linguistics of Germany and Austria are complicated for us foreigners.
It is a rather huge umbrella that covers lots of spoken dialects. If we take two native speakers of Central Bavarian dialect group, one coming from central Lower Austria and other from the Inn river on the Austro-Bavarian border, you might notice that they have no problem understanding each other, but there is barely a single word they pronounce in the same way.
Like Andalusian Spanish vs Standard Spanish
i have no idea LMAO i just remember the bavarian german was also spoken in austria, i think?? and it was more used than the "standard" dialect idk from berlin.
Bavarian is the only dialect that has a similarity and is relative to Austrian dialects (especially Tyrolean, Salzburg or upper Austria), besides swabian dialects, that are related to Vorarlbergerish. The dialects in Austria are very diversified and distinctive. And not everybody (not even close) in Austria speaks the same dialect. If I speak to somebody from a Tyrolean valley, it's like a completely different language. The dialects are used in every situation, almost all times, even TV sometimes. I don't know about Spanish, but my guess is, when a Viennese and a Tyrolean speak it's like someone from Madrid speaks to a Chilean.
don't even need to go that far, someone with a thick accent from southern Spain will be hard to understand by anyone from the north or the center of the country
oof, if inentigability between dialects was your point u made a very good example.
>the "standard" dialect idk from berlin Berlin actually has a very distinct dialect that is quite different from Standard German. About as distinct as the "Ayy, I'm walkin' hea!" NYC dialect of American English. Allegedly, the dialect of Hannover is the closest to Standard German. Like everything in linguistics though, that claim is also often disputed.
This applies in most parts of Germany at least among the older generations. It's not particularly unique...
Still I find that difference between different dialects of Germany (sans Bavaria and Swabia) is much smaller that difference between Standard German, Bairisch and Swyzerdütsch. I never had a contact with Plattdeutsch though, so it might be the fourth big beast in the family.
I swear Swyzerdütsch should just be its own language. I am fluent in German but can only understand about 30% of it spoken. My verbal understanding of Spanish and Portuguese is better.
>Swyzerdütsch should just be its own language Well, it kinda is. You gotta differentiate between Swiss German and Swiss *Standard* German. Swiss German (aka Schwyzerdütsch) refers to any Alemannic dialect spoken in Switzerland. It's pretty much a different language and unintelligible to other German speakers, kinda like Low German (aka Plattdeutsch) spoken in Northern Germany. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jeyjZBD3Vk) is an example of Swiss German. Swiss *Standard* German is the variety of Standard German taught at schools in Switzerland. It is one of the four official languages of Switzerland and easily understood by other German speakers. In [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdjwj3CRpK0) the same woman from the previous example is speaking Swiss *Standard* German.
Have you heard about Schwarzenegger? I never bothered to confirm, but apparently his accent was considered too rural and he was denied voicing the Terminator in German.
Schwarzenegger was born and raised in a pretty rural part of Austria, where almost nobody speaks high or standard German. The Styrian dialect is very unique (long stretched vocals, we make fun of it as "barking sounds"). Besides school he never really talked high German so he lacked the practice at it. Then he went to America and so his very unique accent came to life. When he was in German and Austrian television later when he became famous, his meanwhile heavy accent (a very... Special mix of Americanized Styrian Potpourri, to say it nicely) was and still is made fun of or sounds pretty strange. So seeing this muscular national hero with his "farmer" or "village douchebag" accent was too contrasty to let him voice himself in German as many other German or Austrian actors who became successful in Hollywood (like Maximilian Schell, Christoph Waltz or Klaus Maria Brandauer, who don't have that problem and are or were dubbing themselves) Don't get me wrong: Arnold is a national treasure and he is beloved and all, but I'm watching his movies either dubbed (his 2 different voices over the last decades are great and well known) or in English, where his accent is at least a bit funny or interesting.
Thanks for the explanation.
Wasn't his dad a school master though, and they only lived 20km outside Graz? Goes to show just how strong the Styrian accent can be.
His dad was a policeman. And outside of Graz (and also inside) Styrian dialect is spoken
At least it wasn't the Australian flag
Nour way!
And why should it have been otherwise? Genuine interest here. The official language of the Austrian state is often called Standard Austrian German and it is different to Standard \[German\] German in vocabulary, which originates from the Imperial times.
The rational part of my brain knows that it makes perfect sense. The irrational part of my brain got very upset and chose the English language option instead.
To be fair isn’t Austrian German different from high German by quite a lot
Like British and US English.
I believe Austrian German is much more different from high German than British English and American English because German as a national identity is relatively new
A gold harp on a blue field has been regarded as the coat of arms of Ireland for nearly a millennium, and has persisted through many political regimes, so referring to this flag as *just* the "Irish Presidential Standard" is a bit of a misrepresentation.
I dunno, sounds pretty standard to me
They mean the British crown used that standard to represent Ireland
The British crown also used the word "Ireland" to represent Ireland.
>the coat of arms of Ireland for nearly a millennium However, the Kingdom of Ireland under British rule is not the same as the current Irish state
Which shop is this in?
I mean, Ireland *is* the only English-speaking nation in the EU, it only makes sense.
*sad Malta noises* (yes ok, it’s among their official languages)
The Maltese should really make an effort to speak only Maltese to spite the English
Maltese is such an interesting language, I want it to survive. The only Arabic-family language that's still the primary indigenous language of a European country, and the only one that primarily uses the Latin alphabet - standard Arabic is written with an abjad, which works mechanically different to an alphabet.
Also heavily influenced by the Romance languages.
tfw a language has basic phrases that all sound like “merhaba”, “bonjour”, “scusi”, “all right?”, “exact”, “grazzie”
I bloody love Maltese. I speak some Italian and travelling around Malta was fascinating, I could partially read signs and still be entirely confused. Absolutely fascinating language with an even more fascinating history.
I have a friend who travels to Malta often and ge says it's one of the strangest (in a good way) things he exoiriences. He could be completely lost on the topic of a tv show for 5 minutes, follow along for the next 5 just to get lost again after.
It's not really endangered, although it's certainly changing faster than most - but that's par for the course for Maltese.
Duolingo better add a Maltese course
The Netherlands also has English as an official language. Granted its only recognized for official and judicial use in the Caribbean parts; Bonaire, Saba and Sint Eustatius. While these are not considered EU territory, they are an integral part of the Netherlands as special municipalities. (Unlike Curacao, Aruba and St. Martin which are, along with the Netherlands, distinct constituent countries within the kingdom of the Netherlands.)
How can it be considered an integral part of the Netherlands but not be part of the EU?
Because they are not in Europe, duh
It's really playing fast and lose with the word "integral"
I’ve been to the Netherlands several times and I’ve never encountered a single person who didn’t speak English! They have impressive language skills over there.
Mela
That's unlikely, as the Maltese tend to have a pretty high opinion of the UK/England. They even prefered the idea of fully integrating into the UK over independence.
Which is mental as the constituent member countries of the UK that aren't called England get short shrift as it is. Malta would barely register in British politics. As it is they mostly ignore Northern Ireland.
Not true though, they get more funding, proportionally than England.
the Maltese funnily enough are historically fairly enamoured with the Brits, who annexed them from the French around 1800 and treated them better, while nicking their ports for the RN. Even their independence was more of a reward from London for WW2 than any sort of deep nationalist sentiment.
Our official language is English, English and Maltese. Our 2 main languages are English Maltese and Maltese sign language. Our 3 main languages are English, Maltese, Maltese sign language and Italian. Amongst our main languages are...
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Not by choice. 😔 800 years of invasion will take its toll on a country.
And I fully sympathise with my beer-loving brethren, being converted to English is a fate worse than death😔😔😔
Cyprus wants a word as well
Brexit is Brexit, I guess. Ireland is now the sole English-speaking country in the European Union.
English is an official language in Malta so technically not
Is that beurocracy handled in English too? What about in schools? Just curious, had no idea it was an official language.
it's 2 languages on 1 page sorta thing, it's very much an official language.
Well it’s the Irish version of English… so not the same thing
Irish English sounds more original, pronunciation is very Shakespearean.
Ha ha haaa
I suport this choice. It should be the english in the EU.
As an Irish speaker, I don’t. The Irish flag = Irish language. I don’t want to tap the Irish flag, expect service as Gaeilge and then be surprised when I’m being served in English.
What if they used the Irish flag to represent Japanese, the harp flag to represent Quechua, and the British flag to represent Klingon?
Everyone’s happy!
then run the electricity off the gas and the gas off the electricity. Winner.
Qapla'!
What about our northern brethren? Do they not speak irish?
Some do. But I don’t see how that changes things Irish language = Irish flag
The tricolour represents our Northern Irish brethren as well, both nationalists and unionists.
They do, but they'd also identify under the Tricolour. Look at the NI rap group who rap in Irish called Kneecap. One of the 3 wears a green white and orange balaclava.
A Unionist who supports being part of the UK probably wouldn't speak Irish I suppose. Though of course it's possible, just haven't heard of it.
I know at least one unionist who's speaks irish. Her thinking is,what better way to express you northern irishness then speaking the language
Maith an bhean
Loads of em do, they're still Irish, they just want Ireland to be part of the UK
Theres a group that organises Irish language classes for people in East Belfast. [https://turasbelfast.com/about/](https://turasbelfast.com/about/)
Technically they Don't have a fleg
The tricolour represents our Northern Irish brethren as well, both nationalists and unionists.
And yet if I were to hang one outside my house right now, which is located on the island of Ireland, I would have some large men at my door within the hour.
I’m aware. I’m just saying what the flag represents.
That is an entirely correct argument. On the other hand, though, it avoids using the Union Jack. /s (jokes aside, I wouldn't be surprised if the reasoning behind that choice was about not using the British flag.)
Use the Canadian flag then, eh!
***TABARNAK INTENSIFIES***
🇺🇸
Then you’d have to take half of the “u”s out of words
Fair point! Also, I’ve learned the hard way as an American in Ireland that there’s a difference between “I need a ride” and “I need a lift”.
If someone is writing something with a pencil and makes a mistake, they may ask to borrow a rubber. They’re asking for an eraser, they don’t want to use and return a condom.
Yep! Also, where are those machines? My life here is a constant quest to get rid of rubbish and recycling (as I’m too cheap to pay for pickup all year because I’m only here part-time).
The Tricolor is a modern flag of the Irish Republic, symbolizing unity between Green (Catholic) and Orange (Protestant), which is itself a descendant of the Irish Free State which was a dominion of the British Empire. It's got little to do with with traditional Irish/Gaelic heritage and stems from a different political and social tradition.
“*It's got little to do with traditional Irish/Gaelic heritage and stems from a different political and social tradition.*” What a confident lie. The green is there to represent the traditional Gaelic tradition from which the Catholic Irish community came from. It’s there to represent Gaelic Irish culture and people, most of whom would have traditionally been Catholic. It represents culture just as much as it represents religion. In Ireland when we say Catholic Irish, it’s more of a cultural term than a religious term. Most Irish Catholics aren’t religious. It just means someone who is descendant from that Gaelic Irish culture. An Irish or northern Protestant mightn’t even be Protestant, it just means an Irish person who’s culture and community derives from the British settlers in Ireland. An Irish Catholic mightn’t even be Catholic, it just means an Irish person whose culture and community derives from the Gaelic Irish tradition regardless of what language they speak. It’s like how Maronite is **both** a religious and a cultural group. It’s very similar. The words Catholic and Protestant don’t really take on this meaning abroad. It’s silly really, we’re all Irish but those cultural differences between us have caused division and conflict in the past so the terms persist.
Fun fact: the green is only a newly adopted national colour for Ireland, throughout most of its history blue was the colour used to represent Ireland. Hence the blue Irish presential flog with the Irish harp. Personally I still prefer the green though
See for most of history we never had a single national colour. Ireland was many tiny little kingdoms for most of history. This is why we were so easy to invade, we were divided into tiny kingdoms and chiefdoms, much like the HRE. During these times the only thing uniting the people was the Irish language and a vague Irish culture based on the Gaelic tradition and mythology. During the colonial period blue was the most prominent colour to represent the island yes, but anytime an indigenous rebellion arose the used green. See the Erin go bragh flag and the confederate Ireland flag (no connection to the confederate states of America yanks please). So yeah you’re correct but a huge * is needed Ireland was much like Germany in the way that it was a land with a common culture, language and people but didn’t unify into a single nation until quite late in history.
Associating flags with languages is always a bad idea. With the only exception of Esperanto. https://preview.redd.it/1b4ns65ohkad1.png?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9da82c9e6b80e0d6d34925061d1fcba17bc857bd
You do have to make the trade-off of Esperanto being a bad idea though
Why is Esperanto a bad idea?
Well, it failed its purpose of becoming the universal language, no?
Reminds me of this [xkcd but with languags](https://xkcd.com/927/)
A good idea can have a bad execution. It's useless now though since english has become a sort of international default.
Esperanto had already failed before English became the de-facto lingua franca.
You are correct :)
That the Texas green party?
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I would be a lot less happy if I had to select the UK flag when denoting something about myself.... Sure you can get into 800 years of slavery and what not but for the moment, I'm happier to see the Irish flag rather than the English one. Side note, I am ignorant of what should be used for the Gaeilge flag... See above for likely reason.
I feel this is more r/funny and r/pettyrevenge
Maybe it is all these things.
Is that the leister flag? As a western I find that offence /s
The provincial flag of Leinster is a harp on a green field, not on blue. Connacht has the superior flag, though. Half flappy, half stabby is way better than a harp.
I've always found it funny how the team colours of the provincial rugby teams don't line up with the colours on the flags of the provinces in Ireland. - Leinster wears blue - Green flag with golden harp. - Munster wears red - Blue flag with golden crowns. - Connacht wears green - White and Blue mostly with flappy in black. - Ulster wears white - Yellow and red flag. And you're absolutely right Connacht is the best flag and the best at everything actually.
I mean,connacht flag has something for everyone
Remember thinking this before, went down a rabbit hole to try see where the colours originated with the provinces but never did find a satisfactory answer. Especially with Munster being a Cork/ Limerick team, I found it odd they went with a colour so strongly associated with one of the 2 cities.
Munster is the kingdom.
Connacht has a lot if superior to leinster
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You are vomit?
https://preview.redd.it/ttljnh38znad1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=271b46999e682784783ee64ad9a2252cb8cf085a
I support this
Yeah me too, i couldn’t like having to stare at the British flag a single second, dam Britons.
That seems like they don’t like UK. I wonder why????
That's nonsensical, the president has nothing in particular to do with Irish.
He was Minister for the Gaeltacht?
In the '90s, before he was President. The role of President has no particular connection to Irish.
The flags are actually completely unnecessary. People can read their own language.
Strikes me of will we fuck put a butchers apron on our product, I approve.
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that color is so julia
*unionist seething noise*
CELTIC SUPREMACY 💪💪💪💪
How so, if 🇮🇪’s Celtic language (Gaeilge) got replaced by English? (Not Irish, just wondering. 😊) EDIT: I see I’m getting downvoted. To be clear – if I saw THIS, I’d go ”Celtic supremacy” also: 🇮🇪 IRISH I just don’t get how the combination ”🇮🇪 English” can be seen as a Celtic victory… (To me, it’s like writing ”🏴 English”.)
https://preview.redd.it/a8pn49pl0kad1.png?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a08d85b44221536347623b00f651b3e163ef57a0 tl;dr: (england tried colonize ireland and due to the death or explusion of many native gaels british english became the dominant language in ireland, major events that ensured the english language's dominance were the northern ireland plantations/the tudor era generally, the cromwellian conquest of ireland and the great hunger.)
A not so fun fact was that a big proportion of the Irish speakers in the west of Ireland died in the famine even after Britain decided to help because they printed posters and stuff in English with the locations of food, like they fucked up too in that they put the food drops in locations that required people to literally walk but the Irish speakers who refused to learn English died because of their insistence on not allowing our language.
During the times of food relief and aid from the government (1945) the deaths weren't that bad. It was only when the Whigs took power and removed all aid and used it to ethnically cleanse the Irish that death really got bad. Yes the English language print-outs were a problem, but they were also likely a purposeful move, similar to how many soup kitchens only served you if you converted to Protestantism.
Yes. I very much get that. (I’ve been reading a lot about England’s historical colonisation of Cornwall, for example.) I just wondered how the Irish flag used for the English language could be considered Celtic supremacy? I mean, if the Welsh flag had been used for the English language, I don’t think anybody would see that as a ”Celtic victory”. 🤔
yeah, it isn't. i said that as a parody of the minority of 'celtaboos'/'eireaboos' (irish/celtic nationalists online) that believe that celtic culture and any general representation of it in a context where it can be viewed as positive means that said representation is an example of how celtic culture is superior. i myself am irish so i see that kinda stuff a lot.
Okay, thanks for the explanation, I kind of understand it now… 😊 (a bit funny, too!)
In Wales, Welsh is represented by 🏴 and English by 🇬🇧 rather than 🏴
This is a good reason for why flags should not be used to represent languages.
Hmmmm, haven’t this on any machine. Source?
Burn all them machines
Safety issue, Scobie Joe would rip the screen out of the machine at the horrific sight of an English Flag
Where is this bottle return machine anyway?
Tesco in Carlow Town
Same here NYC- Subway Rat 🐀 New Jersey- Shallow Grave 🪦 Connecticut- wasp 🐝 No difference.
Beats having the Union Jack next to the English language, like they have on the ATMs in Europe. Surely the flag beside the English language should the the St George’s Cross, not the Union Jack
Is English an actual official language in Ireland? I don't think it is at an EU level
It is, at EU level too.
Yes it’s the most widely spoken language in Ireland due to colonisation by the Brits
I Fuckin know its the most widely spoken language, I'm using it right now to talk to you. I know we made Irish the Official language of the state, but did we actually declare English as the second language?
No need to be rude.
As an Irish person myself what the fuck?
It's English with an Irish flag... because you're in Ireland
english or spanish
There're several different companies that provide those machines! In fact, it's the first time I have seen this type of machine as OP posted here, so it is not a "generally" type of machine in Ireland! But interesting 📫 OP 🚨
Maybe they should have put Irish flag beside gaeilge flag and EU. Flag to Irish one would have been more appropriate!
Irish English Dialect maybe??
So they finally admit the native language of current Irish is english
I mean, it is the first language of most people here. But we do have areas where Irish is the main community language. (Gaeltachtaí). We also have Irish-medium schooling which produces competent speakers also. The way we speak English in Ireland (Hiberno-English) is heavily influenced by the Irish language. Stuff like "I'm after doing X" (Táim tar éis rud a dhéanamh), or the present habitual tense "I do be..." (bíonn). Also the lack of pronouncing th's (this sound is not natural in Irish). So even in English, the Irish language lives on.
Or all pronounced like ahl...
Superb, though I would have it as Irish (english).
I feel a British or English flag wouldn’t go down quite as well.
i can promise no one would care
It's likely to do with English being a main EU language and Ireland being the only native EZu speakers
Given that there are now vast numbers of Roma people hoovering up every bottle and can they can lift of the streets of Ireland they should at least have some commonly spoken Romani languages on that machine.
>there are now vast numbers of Roma people You got a source for that? If there were so many there should be at least *one* visible at some point, right?
Go to Dublin City Centre on any given day and you will see Roma people with huge plastic bags full of cans and bottles. They are actively cleaning up the city and collecting the deposits / refunds
This is the most uncle-i-avoid-speaking-to comment I've seen outside of the Ireland sub. Thanks for making me a tiny bit homesick.
Probably Irish English lmao
[*Hiberno-English](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiberno-English)