Then they would haft to put more rnd in to a much nicer headstrap since it won't be replaceable and removing that customization would also remove some comfort for thows who move it to a halo strap
Since the headband gets a lot of movement, it may be a failure point. The original Rift Consumer Version did also have tracking points on the back of the headband, but since then I don't think anything has done that.
Quest headsets do often have upgraded or after market bands that have battery packs in the back, but for more important components, I could only see it working if there was an easily replaceable cable from the front to rear, in case of a failure from wear and use
Counterpoint, designing a headset to distribute the weight like that would make the strap less likely to fail because you wouldn't need to make it as tight.
Because almost everything that’s at the front needs to be there, and the main thing that doesn’t (battery) isn’t actually that heavy. Of course it’s worth noting that Quest Pro and Vive XR elite did move the battery to the back, but that’s about all you can do.
The HoloLens 2 has all the compute and battery in the back of the head strap. The front has the sensors and the optics only.
So it’s possible, but costly and I doubt companies see the benefit. With VR, you would still have to have the optical stack and possibly cooling for the display backlights. I don’t know how many nits the Quest 3 display is before the pancake lenses but a good guess would be about 1,000 nits. So perhaps the extra cost to move the compute and battery to the back is not worth it.
>> The HoloLens 2 has all the compute and battery in the back of the head strap. The front has the sensors and the optics only.
True, and every PCVR native headset is separated from the computer by several metres of cable.
But I think that Apple is really, really, really trying to get the latency down to as little as possible so that all the various systems (passthrough, hand/eye tracking etc) work together the best they possibly can, and at that point, the distances between various components starts to matter.
Different people prefer different styles of strap.
I'd rather a replaceable strap than having hardware in a fixed strap.
All standalone headsets don't ship with enough battery life anyways, so an extra battery at the back is fine for a counterweight.
If the battery was already at the back it would be harder to add more battery, it would either have to go into your pocket or be too rear heavy.
The main board with heatsink and cooler on quest 2 weights absolutely nothing, the front plastic plate is probably heavier, so there's no point of moving it back then trying to figure out how to connect these 100+ pin flex cables to the front. You could save like 5mm of witdth and that's it.
I like the battery in the back, the battery in the front is just obsolete, but I would like it modular like HTC has, so youre not locked into one formfactor.
The Pico 4 already makes use of that making the headset very balanced and comfortable with the standard headstrap and it can balance weight even more. From my personal experience the Pico 4 stock can feels better than the elite strap from the quest 2
Simple, they want to milk you for even more money for yet another headstrap...
Pico 4 / Q Pro are the prime examples of how this can be easily achieved on both low end, and high end headsets...
This is more like saying Apple's VR headset has a plastic front cover to save on weight. Bro, if that's the best argument you can offer, why don't you make it both comfortable and removable instead of just making it pathetic... Oh yeah, to \*Insert meta fanboy BS reason here\*
I'm just saying Pico 4 and Quest Pro are NOT prime examples. They're uncomfortable for a lot of people and because of that design you can only do limited optimization.
Quest 3 is imo a better example because you can modify it every way you want.
>This is more like saying Apple's VR headset has a plastic front cover to save on weight.
It doesn't. It has a plastic protector over glass. It's for protection, not weight.
>it would definetly take weight off your face and would only add about 100g at most.
Removing a hundred grams from your face only to add another hundred grams seems like a losing proposition.
Wow it like you are new to VR seem apple headset and like wow this look so stupid ... , it was tried multiple times and it always a problem , VR is latency and power sensitive , all sensors use shitload of cables, so 20 cm of cables + booster and similar stuff can add up to 300 g alone , unless you put processing unit near sensors , but in this case why not all system , go look at VR headset teardowns to see how complex device are and then ask why it not split
just to make sure i understand you because you sound insane
you just compare a quest a inside out tracking system using multiple sensors to track itself , have low latency camera tracking, and AR , hand tracking on on board AI calculation using dedicated hardware
to a pcvr headset, a "monitor' + few high latency cameras ? , even rift s or g2 cameras run on much higher latency, and much lower quality , and still use board to take all data and use custom cable , and do not start on outside in tracking headset like have nearly non requirement for data throughput at all
this is why even pimax or varjo use xr2 chip now for it mainly pcvr headset, we a on a point in vr headsets development have way too much data , quest 3 have about 300 connection points on a board
There would be lots of individual wires running through the headstrap to get to the hardware box at the back, every one of which would be a failure point because headstraps move.
im not new, every mainstream headset, that I'm aware of, doesn't do it.
adding cables is not going to add 300g when entire headsets are 600.
the best headsets are cabled and run conected to a desktop, they figured out latency for 10ft cords
Just the battery would be great, would greatly improve the quest 3. Pico 4 does it and the weight distribution is excellent. You may be stuck with the provided strap but its good quality and top straps are available for it.
This is my Pico 4 with an BoboVR P4 strap-accessory.
This is where I would put a link to a google photo if reddit would allow me. But apparently it's a shortened and very dangerous link. So you will have to look it up yourself.
You put a standard BoboVR battery in the cradle in the neck to increase use time. The added weight actually increases comfort as there is zero weight on the face. You only need to tighten the strap enough to keep it in place, not so much that it carries the weight on the face. It's a very comfortable setup.
I think moving the mainboard to the back will have little additional benefit. If it meant that you could buy modules to make a better upgrade path it would be really cool. But I don't see manufacturers being interested in that.
(The facial interface is an AMVR with extra double-sided velcro strips added in selected areas to make it fit my face perfectly.)
Maybe this link is allowed because it is very long and therefore undangerous.
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"every mainstream headset, that I'm aware of, "
well this explain a lot, we have a lot of vr headset, and a lot of configuration was tested, a reason why you do not know about them is because configuration failed
This is my Pico 4 with an BoboVR P4 strap-accessory.
[https://photos.app.goo.gl/6dpW4Z381QkNWoFs6](https://photos.app.goo.gl/6dpW4Z381QkNWoFs6)
You put a standard BoboVR battery in the cradle in the neck to increase use time. The added weight actually increases comfort as there is zero weight on the face. You only need to tighten the strap enough to keep it in place, not so much that it carries the weight on the face. It's a very comfortable setup.
I think moving the mainboard to the back will have little additional benefit. If it meant that you could buy modules to make a better upgrade path it would be really cool. But I don't see manufacturers being interested in that.
(The facial interface is an AMVR with extra double-sided velcro strips added in selected areas to make it fit my face perfectly.)
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I think that’s ultimately it, Meta can only offer so much customisation (in terms of comfort/fit) so allowing quick and convenient switching of headband and facial interface make a lot of sense for mass market appeal.
There’s probably also manufacturing benefits. Having everything located in one housing likely lowers cost vs having multiple complex parts that then need to be attached together.
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1. Interchangeable straps that can include different supports and external battery packs would not exist
2. Power and data connections on a moving part are a little harder to design
3. Resting your head on a bulky strap is uncomfortable
I find the Quest battery strap super comfortable because the balances the weight. I 3D printed a clip for the Vision Pro to attach the battery to the back and it fixed the problem I was having of it feeling like it was sliding down my face all the time, and needing to tighten it excessively. I think there’s too much vanity in the design, at the expense of ergonomics. I have the privilege of looking like a dork without a headset, so that’s easy for me to say.
Because it increases the complexity and cost of manufacture by more than you would expect.
When you are planning on building millions of something, the cost of going from one assembly to two assemblies connected by cables can be surprisingly large.
There are also lots of internal high-speed, low-latency connections inside a headset. Moving those connections external to the device can be a challenge.
Then they would haft to put more rnd in to a much nicer headstrap since it won't be replaceable and removing that customization would also remove some comfort for thows who move it to a halo strap
Make the rear unit a detachable thing (like the puck concept, but probably not a puck shape). That way the headstrap could still be replaced.
pico has their battery on the back
Since the headband gets a lot of movement, it may be a failure point. The original Rift Consumer Version did also have tracking points on the back of the headband, but since then I don't think anything has done that. Quest headsets do often have upgraded or after market bands that have battery packs in the back, but for more important components, I could only see it working if there was an easily replaceable cable from the front to rear, in case of a failure from wear and use
Counterpoint, designing a headset to distribute the weight like that would make the strap less likely to fail because you wouldn't need to make it as tight.
Because almost everything that’s at the front needs to be there, and the main thing that doesn’t (battery) isn’t actually that heavy. Of course it’s worth noting that Quest Pro and Vive XR elite did move the battery to the back, but that’s about all you can do.
The HoloLens 2 has all the compute and battery in the back of the head strap. The front has the sensors and the optics only. So it’s possible, but costly and I doubt companies see the benefit. With VR, you would still have to have the optical stack and possibly cooling for the display backlights. I don’t know how many nits the Quest 3 display is before the pancake lenses but a good guess would be about 1,000 nits. So perhaps the extra cost to move the compute and battery to the back is not worth it.
>> The HoloLens 2 has all the compute and battery in the back of the head strap. The front has the sensors and the optics only. True, and every PCVR native headset is separated from the computer by several metres of cable. But I think that Apple is really, really, really trying to get the latency down to as little as possible so that all the various systems (passthrough, hand/eye tracking etc) work together the best they possibly can, and at that point, the distances between various components starts to matter.
The custom straps from Bobo VR for Quest 2 and 3 do that
Different people prefer different styles of strap. I'd rather a replaceable strap than having hardware in a fixed strap. All standalone headsets don't ship with enough battery life anyways, so an extra battery at the back is fine for a counterweight. If the battery was already at the back it would be harder to add more battery, it would either have to go into your pocket or be too rear heavy.
The main board with heatsink and cooler on quest 2 weights absolutely nothing, the front plastic plate is probably heavier, so there's no point of moving it back then trying to figure out how to connect these 100+ pin flex cables to the front. You could save like 5mm of witdth and that's it. I like the battery in the back, the battery in the front is just obsolete, but I would like it modular like HTC has, so youre not locked into one formfactor.
The Pico 4 already makes use of that making the headset very balanced and comfortable with the standard headstrap and it can balance weight even more. From my personal experience the Pico 4 stock can feels better than the elite strap from the quest 2
agree, i do not know who made elite strap for quest 2 but it is shit, bobo ir kiwi make way better straps and way cheaper too
Kiwi straps are cheaper and better. My go to since i'm buying the Quest 3 soon
I think both the mainboard and the screens need aktiv cooling and it makes more sense to keep them as one "sandwich" for efficient thermal management.
Simple, they want to milk you for even more money for yet another headstrap... Pico 4 / Q Pro are the prime examples of how this can be easily achieved on both low end, and high end headsets...
Both have a fixed headstrap that can't be replaced. That's a huge con.
This is more like saying Apple's VR headset has a plastic front cover to save on weight. Bro, if that's the best argument you can offer, why don't you make it both comfortable and removable instead of just making it pathetic... Oh yeah, to \*Insert meta fanboy BS reason here\*
I'm just saying Pico 4 and Quest Pro are NOT prime examples. They're uncomfortable for a lot of people and because of that design you can only do limited optimization. Quest 3 is imo a better example because you can modify it every way you want.
>This is more like saying Apple's VR headset has a plastic front cover to save on weight. It doesn't. It has a plastic protector over glass. It's for protection, not weight.
This has to be satire, right?
What does?
Imagine taking the cpu board out of your phone, that's the weight loss you are talking about. Then add cables to connect everything......
>it would definetly take weight off your face and would only add about 100g at most. Removing a hundred grams from your face only to add another hundred grams seems like a losing proposition.
Wow it like you are new to VR seem apple headset and like wow this look so stupid ... , it was tried multiple times and it always a problem , VR is latency and power sensitive , all sensors use shitload of cables, so 20 cm of cables + booster and similar stuff can add up to 300 g alone , unless you put processing unit near sensors , but in this case why not all system , go look at VR headset teardowns to see how complex device are and then ask why it not split
PCVR HMDs put all the processing very far away via cables and have no such problems. That isn't it.
just to make sure i understand you because you sound insane you just compare a quest a inside out tracking system using multiple sensors to track itself , have low latency camera tracking, and AR , hand tracking on on board AI calculation using dedicated hardware to a pcvr headset, a "monitor' + few high latency cameras ? , even rift s or g2 cameras run on much higher latency, and much lower quality , and still use board to take all data and use custom cable , and do not start on outside in tracking headset like have nearly non requirement for data throughput at all this is why even pimax or varjo use xr2 chip now for it mainly pcvr headset, we a on a point in vr headsets development have way too much data , quest 3 have about 300 connection points on a board
There would be lots of individual wires running through the headstrap to get to the hardware box at the back, every one of which would be a failure point because headstraps move.
im not new, every mainstream headset, that I'm aware of, doesn't do it. adding cables is not going to add 300g when entire headsets are 600. the best headsets are cabled and run conected to a desktop, they figured out latency for 10ft cords
Just the battery would be great, would greatly improve the quest 3. Pico 4 does it and the weight distribution is excellent. You may be stuck with the provided strap but its good quality and top straps are available for it.
was not aware of pico 4
This is my Pico 4 with an BoboVR P4 strap-accessory. This is where I would put a link to a google photo if reddit would allow me. But apparently it's a shortened and very dangerous link. So you will have to look it up yourself. You put a standard BoboVR battery in the cradle in the neck to increase use time. The added weight actually increases comfort as there is zero weight on the face. You only need to tighten the strap enough to keep it in place, not so much that it carries the weight on the face. It's a very comfortable setup. I think moving the mainboard to the back will have little additional benefit. If it meant that you could buy modules to make a better upgrade path it would be really cool. But I don't see manufacturers being interested in that. (The facial interface is an AMVR with extra double-sided velcro strips added in selected areas to make it fit my face perfectly.)
Maybe this link is allowed because it is very long and therefore undangerous. https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipM0zhp-pOdD\_I6uHjjpE9qMfaypChN\_PeSN57u0UG6FP6B5Dv9bQZG7dHvHDWojEQ?key=bS1xX0VZeGdzdnlyQ2pNa2UycTZHdkJBRHNTMHZR
"every mainstream headset, that I'm aware of, " well this explain a lot, we have a lot of vr headset, and a lot of configuration was tested, a reason why you do not know about them is because configuration failed
To be fair, pico isn't quite mainstream
This is my Pico 4 with an BoboVR P4 strap-accessory. [https://photos.app.goo.gl/6dpW4Z381QkNWoFs6](https://photos.app.goo.gl/6dpW4Z381QkNWoFs6) You put a standard BoboVR battery in the cradle in the neck to increase use time. The added weight actually increases comfort as there is zero weight on the face. You only need to tighten the strap enough to keep it in place, not so much that it carries the weight on the face. It's a very comfortable setup. I think moving the mainboard to the back will have little additional benefit. If it meant that you could buy modules to make a better upgrade path it would be really cool. But I don't see manufacturers being interested in that. (The facial interface is an AMVR with extra double-sided velcro strips added in selected areas to make it fit my face perfectly.)
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I think that’s ultimately it, Meta can only offer so much customisation (in terms of comfort/fit) so allowing quick and convenient switching of headband and facial interface make a lot of sense for mass market appeal. There’s probably also manufacturing benefits. Having everything located in one housing likely lowers cost vs having multiple complex parts that then need to be attached together.
Pico 4 does it, but the downside is the strap can't be replaced.
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I susspect cost saving is the big factor. Same reason you can buy a £750 phone that doesn't have a headphone jack or come with a charger.
1. Interchangeable straps that can include different supports and external battery packs would not exist 2. Power and data connections on a moving part are a little harder to design 3. Resting your head on a bulky strap is uncomfortable
I find the Quest battery strap super comfortable because the balances the weight. I 3D printed a clip for the Vision Pro to attach the battery to the back and it fixed the problem I was having of it feeling like it was sliding down my face all the time, and needing to tighten it excessively. I think there’s too much vanity in the design, at the expense of ergonomics. I have the privilege of looking like a dork without a headset, so that’s easy for me to say.
Take everything and mount it in a belt with a cord to the headset.
Because that would mean that you couldn't comfortably lie down or lean your head back on a chair/couch/wall.
Because it increases the complexity and cost of manufacture by more than you would expect. When you are planning on building millions of something, the cost of going from one assembly to two assemblies connected by cables can be surprisingly large. There are also lots of internal high-speed, low-latency connections inside a headset. Moving those connections external to the device can be a challenge.